NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22

[Uncle Rico]

Duke taking Syracuse behind the woodshed

[TSmith34, Inc.]

It's always the same guys. Can't know intent but Davison doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt.

https://twitter.com/SteveBmSu/status/1484716132212908032?s=20

What a detestable little piece of crap he is.

[panda]

What a detestable little piece of crap he is.

thug

[4everwarriors]

Relax, Grayson just plays the game with his piss on, hey?

[VanderBlueFanClub]

thug

Been like this since Duke.

[MU82]

Add Bobby Hurley to the long list of failed K disciples.

He's not only losing big, but he's getting suspended and fined for being abusive to refs.

[Uncle Rico]

Add Bobby Hurley to the long list of failed K disciples.

He's not only losing big, but he's getting suspended and fined for being abusive to refs.

The bottom of the PAC-12 is brutal

[The Sultan]

Add Bobby Hurley to the long list of failed K disciples.

He's not only losing big, but he's getting suspended and fined for being abusive to refs.

I don't think I would call him a Coach K "disciple."  He played for him, but never coached for him.  He hooked on to his brother's staff at Wagner as a second career because he wasn't very good at raising thoroughbred horses.

I think his main problem was he worked his way up the ranks really quick and never really "paid his dues."

[MU82]

I don't think I would call him a Coach K "disciple."  He played for him, but never coached for him.  He hooked on to his brother's staff at Wagner as a second career because he wasn't very good at raising thoroughbred horses.

I think his main problem was he worked his way up the ranks really quick and never really "paid his dues."

Reasonable.

[The Sultan]

His brother did the exact opposite by the way.  Spent time on the bench at Rutgers, coached high school for a decade before going to Wagner, and then spent six seasons at URI before moving to UConn.  That's probably why his transition has been so much smoother.

[JWags85]

His brother did the exact opposite by the way.  Spent time on the bench at Rutgers, coached high school for a decade before going to Wagner, and then spent six seasons at URI before moving to UConn.  That's probably why his transition has been so much smoother.

Yep.  Not to mention, given what we've seen now, wonder how much of Bobby's lightning in a bottle success at Buffalo was thanks to Nate Oats.

[MU82]

Of course, one could argue that Dan hasn't proven much, either: 11 seasons (this is #12) at 3 schools, a .500-ish conference record, 3 NCAA appearances, 2 NCAAT wins.

He does seem to have more going for him than Bobby, though.

[MuggsyB]

Of course, one could argue that Dan hasn't proven much, either: 11 seasons (this is #12) at 3 schools, a .500-ish conference record, 3 NCAA appearances, 2 NCAAT wins.

He does seem to have more going for him than Bobby, though.

Is it alright that I have decided I don't like both of them and am mad at myself that I didn't come to that conclusion sooner?

[JWags85]

Of course, one could argue that Dan hasn't proven much, either: 11 seasons (this is #12) at 3 schools, a .500-ish conference record, 3 NCAA appearances, 2 NCAAT wins.

He does seem to have more going for him than Bobby, though.

Circumstances matter though. 

Wagner was mediocre as hell under Deane.  Only finished above .500 in conference once 7-8 years and won only 5 games before he was booted.   In just 2 seasons, Hurley got them to a 25 win season, upsetting a ranked Pitt on the road, and finishing just behind a LIU team in the conference that had a strong run.

Then went to URI, which had done nothing post Harrick for 10+ years.  Were aggressively "ok" under Baron, again under .500 in conference for the balance of a decade.  Hurley turned them into the class of the A10 (which was rapidly improving) in the span of 5 years.  Won the first URI NCAA game in 20 years and the first back to back NCAA appearances in that time.

That to me is a program builder/turnaround artist.   Remains to be seen what he does fully at UCONN, but the work at those 2 schools, plus being an absolute beast at St Benedicts is a pretty solid coaching bonafide.  Not sure what else he could have "proven" pre-UCONN.

[Uncle Rico]

Circumstances matter though. 

Wagner was mediocre as hell under Deane.  Only finished above .500 in conference once 7-8 years and won only 5 games before he was booted.   In just 2 seasons, Hurley got them to a 25 win season, upsetting a ranked Pitt on the road, and finishing just behind a LIU team in the conference that had a strong run.

Then went to URI, which had done nothing post Harrick for 10+ years.  Were aggressively "ok" under Baron, again under .500 in conference for the balance of a decade.  Hurley turned them into the class of the A10 (which was rapidly improving) in the span of 5 years.  Won the first URI NCAA game in 20 years and the first back to back NCAA appearances in that time.

That to me is a program builder/turnaround artist.   Remains to be seen what he does fully at UCONN, but the work at those 2 schools, plus being an absolute beast at St Benedicts is a pretty solid coaching bonafide.  Not sure what else he could have "proven" pre-UCONN.

Danny is a good coach.  He did great work at URI. 

[MU82]

Circumstances matter though. 

That to me is a program builder/turnaround artist.   Remains to be seen what he does fully at UCONN.

Agree. And agree.

Beyond that ... we'll see!

[Dish]

Chris Mack is going to get fired tomorrow at this rate. He obviously can't come back next year, and getting annihilated at UVA is rock bottom.

[Galway Eagle]

Chris Mack is going to get fired tomorrow at this rate. He obviously can't come back next year, and getting annihilated at UVA is rock bottom.

Would Xavier fire Steele and try to make a run at Mack again? A lot of fans are really unhappy with Steele

[The Sultan]

Chris Mack is going to get fired tomorrow at this rate. He obviously can't come back next year, and getting annihilated at UVA is rock bottom.

Chris Mack is a great example why coaches are leery about leaving good jobs at power schools.  He was set for life at Xavier, and while it was good of him to take a shot at Louisville, where he lands next is going to be interesting.

[Billy Hoyle]

Would Xavier fire Steele and try to make a run at Mack again? A lot of fans are really unhappy with Steele

probably not, but Butler will fire Jordan tonight if they thought they could get Mack.

[MuggsyB]

Chris Mack is a great example why coaches are leery about leaving good jobs at power schools.  He was set for life at Xavier, and while it was good of him to take a shot at Louisville, where he lands next is going to be interesting.

I said at the time that Mack was making a big mistake .  You don't mess with happy and success. 

[MuggsyB]

Which is the best conf among the AAC, WCC, or ACC?

[BM1090]

Which is the best conf among the AAC, WCC, or ACC?

ACC and it isn't close. I'm not even sure that the ACC is the worst major conference. Could be the P12.

AAC and WCC are close.

[JWags85]

I said at the time that Mack was making a big mistake .  You don't mess with happy and success.

I think it's 2 things.

1) Mack may have felt like he was topping out at Xavier.  His last 3 teams had as good of talent as he ever had.  Blueitt, Sumner, Marshall, Macura.  His E8 run was kind of a fluke as that team wasn't that great and the season before they were a 2 seed and got upset.  Might not of felt like he was gonna be able to get a F4 at Xavier.

2) he got a BIIIIGGG pay bump.   Went from 1.5ish to $4MM moving to Louisville.  That coupled with the previous point is compelling.  It's not jumping to a P6 job at a crap school.  You're getting a big bump to head to a historic program.

3) not a likely top of kind consideration, but if he moved to Ville and struggled, especially given sanctions and everything, he'd have 0 issue getting a Xavier like job in short order

[The Sultan]

Lots of whispers that Mack is out at Louisville.  Tonight's radio show is cancelled and their Athletic Association board was called into a meeting not previously scheduled.