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Title: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 09, 2021, 07:24:10 PM
Did Garcia NOT start for UNC? 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on November 10, 2021, 07:03:12 AM
According to the box score, Garcia came off the bench but played 29 minutes.  A respectable 12 points and 9 rebounds.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: CTWarrior on November 10, 2021, 03:45:41 PM
Theo got 22 minutes off he bench for Duke in their big win against Kentucky and had a typical Theo line, 5 points 2 rebounds, 2 blocks, 3 fouls.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Herman Cain on November 10, 2021, 05:18:18 PM
Jamal Cain 15 and 7 in Oakland 60-53 loss  to Huggy Bear
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: lawdog77 on November 10, 2021, 05:46:31 PM
Koby McEwen with 16 points on 5 of 6 shooting and ONLY two turnovers.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 10, 2021, 07:26:40 PM
Buffalo is only down 5 to Michigan in Ann Arbor.  About 5 mins to go.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: tower912 on November 10, 2021, 07:38:17 PM
Never mind.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on November 11, 2021, 09:47:35 PM
The great Bobby Hurley loses at home to UC Riverside, 10-point underdogs.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 11, 2021, 09:48:49 PM
The great Bobby Hurley loses at home to UC Riverside, 10-point underdogs.

Nice!!
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on November 11, 2021, 10:36:03 PM
Nice!!

Winning basket was a miracle 70-footer … but that’s the kind of thing that happens when you let a team hang around.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: 🏀 on November 11, 2021, 11:16:46 PM
The great Bobby Hurley loses at home to UC Riverside, 10-point underdogs.

Very popular bet tonight.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 12, 2021, 05:11:35 PM
Who ya got:  Nova or UCLA?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 12, 2021, 06:19:03 PM
Winning basket was a miracle 70-footer … but that’s the kind of thing that happens when you let a team hang around.

a good friend is the HC of Riverside. I texted him after the game to congratulate him on drawing up a great play. Just as he designed it.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Lennys Tap on November 12, 2021, 10:08:56 PM
N Carolina beats Brown by 7. 7 points 6 rebounds for Garcia.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Lennys Tap on November 12, 2021, 10:12:30 PM
MSU routs W Michigan. 12 points, 12 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 steals and 1 block for Hauser.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 12, 2021, 10:28:29 PM
Princeton is about to take out South Carolina. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: rocky_warrior on November 12, 2021, 10:29:34 PM
Jose Perez @ Manhattan with 10 points, 5 rebounds, 7 assists in a win over Fordham.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 12, 2021, 10:33:29 PM
Looking forward to UCLA/Nova now and Gonzaga/Texas tomorrow.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: rocky_warrior on November 12, 2021, 10:42:15 PM
Princeton is about to take out South Carolina.

I don't think that's much of an upset.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 12, 2021, 10:43:39 PM
Riley is out for UCLA.  He will probably be back though by Dec 11th.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 12, 2021, 10:55:35 PM
Nova better wake up.  It's brick city. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 12, 2021, 11:03:37 PM
I hope we get these refs Mon.  They're letting them play. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 12, 2021, 11:47:09 PM
Wow.  This is turning into a barn burner.  The college game is so much better when the zebras aren't calling any fouls other than major contact.  Nova is incredibly well coached and Gillespie looks like he's got something to prove this year.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 13, 2021, 12:12:26 AM
Refs really letting them play in this game

Not calling anything
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 13, 2021, 12:15:18 AM
That was a clear travel by Juaquez before any And 1 occured
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 13, 2021, 12:19:35 AM
That was a clear travel by Juaquez before any And 1 occured

100%  And there have hacks at the rim uncalled the entire game. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 13, 2021, 12:22:50 AM
UCLA has 2 fouls called on them in the 2nd half btw.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 13, 2021, 12:23:17 AM
100%  And there have hacks at the rim uncalled the entire game.

Officials making up for lack of calls against Nova.

I love Nova’s ball movement.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 13, 2021, 12:26:17 AM
Wright looks pissed.  He feels like the last 4 mins has been a lot of home cooking. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 13, 2021, 12:31:40 AM
Novas offense was horrendous the last 8 min
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 13, 2021, 12:41:22 AM
UCLA has more talent.  Jaquez is exactly the kind of player I would like at MU.  Needless to say, we don't match-up particularly well vs. these teams. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 13, 2021, 12:41:45 AM
Just to twist the knife….

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2708572-5-star-pg-tyger-campbell-commits-to-depaul-will-reclassify-to-class-of-18
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 13, 2021, 12:44:06 AM
Just to twist the knife….

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2708572-5-star-pg-tyger-campbell-commits-to-depaul-will-reclassify-to-class-of-18

LOL.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on November 13, 2021, 01:15:15 AM
Jay Bilas is insufferable.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 13, 2021, 11:27:13 AM
Jay Bilas is insufferable.

I like him.

He’s a bit of a know it all and goes on spiels that get a bit tiresome

But guy is really into the game and knows his sh it about every team. Also, unlike most he doesn’t leak extreme bias while call a game too. Whether it’s to certain teams or conferences
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on November 13, 2021, 12:00:49 PM
UCLA has more talent.  Jaquez is exactly the kind of player I would like at MU.  Needless to say, we don't match-up particularly well vs. these teams.

Watched the last 15 minutes of reg and OT.

Marquette is gonna crush these teams. 3-0, baby!

(OK ... I just woke up from my dream ... never mind.)
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 13, 2021, 12:08:39 PM
I like him.

He’s a bit of a know it all and goes on spiels that get a bit tiresome

But guy is really into the game and knows his sh it about every team. Also, unlike most he doesn’t leak extreme bias while call a game too. Whether it’s to certain teams or conferences

My only issue with Bilas is he’s the smartest guy in the room and knows it. That said, he’s an excellent analyst and doesn’t engage in shtick.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: tower912 on November 13, 2021, 12:16:19 PM
I like Bilas.  I either learn something or think about something I already knew in a different way when he does a game.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on November 13, 2021, 12:44:55 PM
Bilas gets on a soapbox sometimes, especially when it comes to the refs, but the guy knows hoops and does a good job of explaining what we're seeing and/or what teams need to do.

He had one last night where he went on about the refs apparently blowing a call. But maybe 30 seconds later, while the FTs were being taken, he said something like, "I just saw the replay again, and he was all over him." So he acknowledged he had been wrong ... of course without really admitting he had been wrong.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 13, 2021, 01:16:25 PM
Jump on Dartmouth +7.5 at -110 right now. Hell, +340 ML is worth a look too.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 13, 2021, 01:35:18 PM
Holy crap......36 to 14?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: cheebs09 on November 13, 2021, 01:50:16 PM
Jay Bilas is insufferable.

The man who made me believe in Harry Frohling.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on November 13, 2021, 01:57:55 PM
The man who made me believe in Harry Frohling.

Yeah ... he sure as hell didn't cover himself in glory there.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 13, 2021, 04:27:25 PM
Bradley is 0-2 with opening season losses to South Dakota State and Howard, both by double digits
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on November 13, 2021, 04:44:29 PM
Bradley is 0-2 with opening season losses to South Dakota State and Howard, both by double digits

Wardle throwing games in protest for not getting the MU gig
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Lennys Tap on November 13, 2021, 08:28:44 PM
Jump on Dartmouth +7.5 at -110 right now. Hell, +340 ML is worth a look too.

Nice call, Dish!
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 13, 2021, 09:06:39 PM
Who ya got Zags or Horns? 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 13, 2021, 09:29:14 PM
I caught a few mins of Purdue yesterday.  I can't stand that program but this 2G they have is a freaking stud.  Ivey?  Not sure where he came from but it wouldn't surprise me if he's a first team AA.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 13, 2021, 09:46:35 PM
Gonzaga’s bench 5 could be our starting 5. And that’s not even a knock on us
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: withoutbias on November 13, 2021, 09:52:21 PM
Time is a way bigger douche than Reddick ever was.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 13, 2021, 09:54:15 PM
Time is a way bigger douche than Reddick ever was.

He’s so good

But celebrating every single basket is obnoxious.

Especially his stupid “too small” gesture for the defender
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 13, 2021, 09:54:39 PM
Is there a more obnoxious player in college hoops than Drew Timme?

Edit: was so annoyed with him didn’t bother reading the other replies to see many others say the same thing.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 13, 2021, 10:08:31 PM
This looks like a complete mismatch.  Beard may have to double Timme.  Someone may put Timme on his ass before the year is finished.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 13, 2021, 10:14:38 PM
Texas has nobody that can guard Timme(obviously)

But they also have no one that can get in front of Nembhard. Or really even contain guys like Bolton and Strawther
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 13, 2021, 10:19:17 PM
Texas has nobody that can guard Timme(obviously)

But they also have no one that can get in front of Nembhard. Or really even contain guys like Bolton and Strawther

Wow. That was a pretty emphatic 20 mins from Gonzaga.  What do you do in general about Timme?  Does any team have an enforcer? 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: wadesworld on November 13, 2021, 10:23:13 PM
Wow. That was a pretty emphatic 20 mins from Gonzaga.  What do you do in general about Timme?  Does any team have an enforcer?

He’ll continue to struggle with teams that have a combination of size and athleticism. Unfortunately that’s a rare combination in college basketball. But I don’t see Gonzaga winning it all this year. They weren’t athletic enough to beat Baylor last year, and they didn’t get any more athletic this year.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 13, 2021, 10:24:42 PM
The mock drafts have Timme in the 2nd round. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 13, 2021, 10:29:59 PM
He’ll continue to struggle with teams that have a combination of size and athleticism. Unfortunately that’s a rare combination in college basketball. But I don’t see Gonzaga winning it all this year. They weren’t athletic enough to beat Baylor last year, and they didn’t get any more athletic this year.

Not saying they will win it. But this team is  definitely more versatile than last year.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on November 13, 2021, 10:41:05 PM
The mock drafts have Timme in the 2nd round.

Going before or after Justin Lewis?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: wadesworld on November 13, 2021, 10:42:41 PM
Not saying they will win it. But this team is  definitely more versatile than last year.

I don’t know. Kispert and Suggs were way, way better college players than anyone they added this year. They were both great.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 13, 2021, 10:43:30 PM
Texas goes zone.  To beat Gonzaga you need an athletic big and possibly 85-90 pts.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 13, 2021, 10:55:20 PM
I don’t know. Kispert and Suggs were way, way better college players than anyone they added this year. They were both great.

Definitely. But adding Holmgren compliments Timme more imo to let him get space.

This team is deeper even tho they will still probably only go 8 deep sans foul trouble.

And with no Suggs. Nembhard can be in his more natural role with Bolton more of a fit in the role Nembhard had last year.

So IMO while losing Suggs and Kispert is a big blow. I think this team pieces together really well.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 13, 2021, 11:00:43 PM
All of a sudden we have a ball-game.  Zags got cocky? 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 13, 2021, 11:03:10 PM
I will say the one concern with this Zags team just like last year


Can they consistently make 3s.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 13, 2021, 11:11:38 PM
I will say the one concern with this Zags team just like last year


Can they consistently make 3s.

The 2 is pretty effective when you're like 14-18.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on November 13, 2021, 11:12:50 PM
Chet is very lanky. Needs a few more years?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 13, 2021, 11:18:48 PM
Chet is very lanky. Needs a few more years?

They are saying he's the #1 pick.  The NBA is way different but I think he needs 2 more years.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on November 13, 2021, 11:52:20 PM
They are saying he's the #1 pick.  The NBA is way different but I think he needs 2 more years.

They are saying he's the #1 pick.  The NBA is way different but I think he needs 2 more years.

He undoubtedly "needs" more years to be an effective NBA player, but that doesn't mean he will "need" more years to be a top pick and instant multi-millionaire.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 13, 2021, 11:57:17 PM
The mock drafts have Timme in the 2nd round.

Not a chance. He’s a 6’9” true post player without a jump shot and who doesn’t handle the ball particularly well.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 14, 2021, 07:56:40 AM
Not a chance. He’s a 6’9” true post player without a jump shot and who doesn’t handle the ball particularly well.

You don't think he'll be drafted at all?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on November 14, 2021, 08:35:47 AM
The transfer I was hoping Marquette would get was Davidson's Kellan Grady. He is Kentucky's No. 2 scorer and is shooting 54% from 3-point range. He was a stud at Davidson, and has a decent shot at an NBA career.

Not sure whether Shaka ever gave him a call, and it's unlikely that he would have chosen MU over Kentucky anyway, but a girl can dream ...
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: tower912 on November 14, 2021, 09:09:34 AM
You don't think he'll be drafted at all?

He probably will.   In regards to the NBA, look at his size and skill set.    How does that match up with how the game is played in the NBA?     Answer that question, and you will have a pretty good idea about where he gets drafted.   
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on November 14, 2021, 09:33:48 AM
Garza was drafted. Timme certainly could be drafted.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 14, 2021, 09:43:37 AM
Garza was drafted. Timme certainly could be drafted.

That's exactly what I was thinking.  I'm guessing late 1st.  He doesn't have the 3 ball like Kaminsky or Garza but can improve. He has excellent hands and footwork.  I can't stand the guy but I think people are underestimating him a bit.  No doubt his game doesn't fit today's nba but I think he couod be a modest contributor off the bench.  Now, it's also possible someone decks him and it derails his career.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on November 15, 2021, 10:00:26 AM
They are saying he's the #1 pick.  The NBA is way different but I think he needs 2 more years.

He doesn't need 2 more years.  Durant was a twig when he was drafted.  Brandon Ingram was a twig when he was drafted. Evan Mobley is 6'11 210 lbs and he was a top 3 pick. 

Super skilled, fluid 7 footers who can shoot don't grow on trees.  He'll bulk up as he ages and be fine.  If the rest of his season is like the Texas game, maybe there is some pause, but I doubt it on both accounts.

That's exactly what I was thinking.  I'm guessing late 1st.  He doesn't have the 3 ball like Kaminsky or Garza but can improve. He has excellent hands and footwork.  I can't stand the guy but I think people are underestimating him a bit.  No doubt his game doesn't fit today's nba but I think he couod be a modest contributor off the bench.  Now, it's also possible someone decks him and it derails his career.

Not a chance he's late 1st.

Garza is taller, shot better from 3 and the floor, and also was a voracious rebounder.  Timme's rebounding stats are honestly fairly pedestrian.

I like Timme's game at the college level, but he's more Ethan Happ than Garza or Kaminsky, and we saw what happened to Happ professionally.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Jockey on November 15, 2021, 11:02:51 AM
He doesn't need 2 more years.  Durant was a twig when he was drafted.  Brandon Ingram was a twig when he was drafted. Evan Mobley is 6'11 210 lbs and he was a top 3 pick. 

Super skilled, fluid 7 footers who can shoot don't grow on trees.  He'll bulk up as he ages and be fine.  If the rest of his season is like the Texas game, maybe there is some pause, but I doubt it on both accounts.


He is a no doubt Top 5 Pick. I would bet on top 3. This year.

I will take issue with your other statement, though. Holmgren was
outstanding in the Texas game. Offensively, he took a back seat, as any smart player would do, when someone is as unstoppable as Timme.

Defensively, he controlled the game. Texas took about 35% of their shots at the rim when Holmgren was on the bench. When he was on the floor, the number was around 15%, That is just a huge difference and illustrates the value of having him on the floor even when he is not looking for offense.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on November 15, 2021, 11:10:51 AM
He is a no doubt Top 5 Pick. I would bet on top 3. This year.

I will take issue with your other statement, though. Holmgren was
outstanding in the Texas game. Offensively, he took a back seat, as any smart player would do, when someone is as unstoppable as Timme.

Defensively, he controlled the game. Texas took about 35% of their shots at the rim when Holmgren was on the bench. When he was on the floor, the number was around 15%, That is just a huge difference and illustrates the value of having him on the floor even when he is not looking for offense.

I never said he was bad in the Texas game, and I even said I doubt there would be any pause.  But for someone who is billed as an excellent scorer and all around player, he took a back seat (which isn't necessarily a problem but not what you might want from a top 3 pick, considering 4 other guys took more shots than him even with Timme doing what he does) and got in foul trouble.  Its likely an anomaly, but if it happened a lot throughout a season, like I said, some people would potentially take pause, though unlikely NBA front offices would (or even should).
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 15, 2021, 08:42:26 PM
Based on the first 10 minutes I get the feeling we’re gonna see some shenanigans from Brad Davison tonight.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 15, 2021, 09:02:03 PM
Nice.  The Dence up 11 at the Kohl. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Pakuni on November 15, 2021, 09:25:05 PM
He probably will.   In regards to the NBA, look at his size and skill set.    How does that match up with how the game is played in the NBA?     Answer that question, and you will have a pretty good idea about where he gets drafted.

Timme will be a first-round pick, IMO. If you question his ability against NBA talen,  go watch the tape of his matchup against #3 overall pick (and rookie of the year candidate) Evan Mobley in last year's tournament.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 15, 2021, 09:26:59 PM
How old is Nate Watson?  30?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on November 15, 2021, 09:30:23 PM
How old is Nate Watson?  30?

He's our best Chicago friend's nephew. And he's been a nice college player now for, oh, 12 years or so!
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 15, 2021, 09:46:34 PM
He's our best Chicago friend's nephew. And he's been a nice college player now for, oh, 12 years or so!

Hopefully he and the Dence can slam the door the last 8 mins.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 15, 2021, 10:04:56 PM
Ughhh.  Prov is gagging.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on November 15, 2021, 10:14:41 PM
Did Floppy just tuck the ballhandler's offhand under his arm and drag him so he traveled?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 15, 2021, 10:18:04 PM
Does anyone know the mask requirement for coaches on the bench?  It looks really bizarre to see Gard cover and uncover his face to talk.  I mean do rational people think this makes any sense? 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 15, 2021, 10:19:21 PM
Did Floppy just tuck the ballhandler's offhand under his arm and drag him so he traveled?

Yes.

Bigger douchebag Flopison or Timme?  What's your unbiased opinion?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 15, 2021, 10:20:37 PM
Thank you Providence.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Pakuni on November 15, 2021, 10:21:45 PM
Mizzou loses by 14 at home to Missouri-Kansas City.
Yikes
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: CountryRoads on November 15, 2021, 10:21:57 PM
Thank you Providence.

Think it might be a long year for UW.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 15, 2021, 10:23:41 PM
Think it might be a long year for UW.

I think they were missing their best player tonight but they're not very good.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 15, 2021, 10:36:01 PM
Mizzou loses by 14 at home to Missouri-Kansas City.
Yikes

Yeah, Mizzou might be one of the worst power six teams this year. Can’t lose at home to UMKC.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on November 15, 2021, 10:40:19 PM
Always fun to watch Nutpuncher throw up brick after brick after brick after brick ... when he isn't whining or playing dirty, that is.

Pretty darn great night, with an MU win over a top-10 team and a Madison loss at home to a Big East team.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 15, 2021, 10:41:20 PM
Yeah, Mizzou might be one of the worst power six teams this year. Can’t lose at home to UMKC.

The Roos should still be respected.  :)
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 15, 2021, 10:43:55 PM
The Beach is hanging tough vs UCLA.  Tie game under 4 mins in the first half.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 15, 2021, 10:57:27 PM
The Beach is hanging tough vs UCLA.  Tie game under 4 mins in the first half.

This was an obvious let down spot in the first half for UCLA. There was no easier bet to make all year than LBSU first half +12.5.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 15, 2021, 11:04:58 PM
If you’re up and like money, Stanford team total under 70.5 (vs San Jose State) is sitting live at +100 right now.

Stanford is in the Mizzou power six dumpster fire club.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 15, 2021, 11:59:32 PM
If you’re up and like money, Stanford team total under 70.5 (vs San Jose State) is sitting live at +100 right now.

Stanford is in the Mizzou power six dumpster fire club.

I’ll take the L here. Stanford shoots 75% the first 11 minutes of the second half, and the last five minutes of the second half got chippy and extended possession totals.

All criticism warranted my way.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on November 16, 2021, 10:31:20 AM
Yes.

Bigger douchebag Flopison or Timme?  What's your unbiased opinion?

Davidson without a doubt.  Timme is annoying and demonstrative, but Davidson has a 5 year history of being flat out dirty.  Timme isn't groin punching or hooking and holding constantly like that twerp.

Always fun to watch Nutpuncher throw up brick after brick after brick after brick ... when he isn't whining or playing dirty, that is.

Pretty darn great night, with an MU win over a top-10 team and a Madison loss at home to a Big East team.

I particularly liked Wisconsin down 5 under a minute, after the sheisty Davidson drag forced travel.  Desperately need a bucket...and they get a Davidson 30 foot semi-fadeaway brick from deep.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Skatastrophy on November 16, 2021, 11:55:53 AM
It was a joyful day of basketball yesterday. A fun Marquette win over Illinois followed by a disjointed Madison loss to Providence. I practically hopped out of bed this morning. What a beautiful sunny day!
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 16, 2021, 02:58:05 PM
Yeah, Mizzou might be one of the worst power six teams this year. Can’t lose at home to UMKC.

even though Wojo didn't work out as we'd hoped he looks to have been an upgrade over our top choice, Cuonzo Martin.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: rocky_warrior on November 16, 2021, 05:11:51 PM
Did USC really agree to a game @ FGCU just so that Enfield could be inducted into their hall of fame?  Ballsy...
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on November 16, 2021, 06:55:13 PM
Howard shooting 67% from the field, 66% from 3, had an eFG% of 85% in the first half and are still down double digits to Nova.

Nova had only 1 TO in the first half and gave up no ORBs.  Amazing how the little things can make that difference even against a hot team.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on November 16, 2021, 07:28:21 PM
Howard shooting 67% from the field, 66% from 3, had an eFG% of 85% in the first half and are still down double digits to Nova.

Nova had only 1 TO in the first half and gave up no ORBs.  Amazing how the little things can make that difference even against a hot team.

Jay Wright once again letting Howard score a bunch of points.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 16, 2021, 08:35:43 PM
Where was the Hall picked in our league?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: cheebs09 on November 16, 2021, 08:40:43 PM
Did USC really agree to a game @ FGCU just so that Enfield could be inducted into their hall of fame?  Ballsy...

Is that the only way FGCU could get him there? That seems kind of sad.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on November 16, 2021, 09:40:55 PM
even though Wojo didn't work out as we'd hoped he looks to have been an upgrade over our top choice, Cuonzo Martin.

Everybody supposedly in the running in 2014 was seriously flawed. It's too bad it wasn't a year later; maybe Beard would have been a candidate.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 16, 2021, 10:05:09 PM
The Hall in great position to win this game in Ann Arbor.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 16, 2021, 10:12:14 PM
BYU up 19 at the half against Oregon in Portland.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 16, 2021, 10:14:57 PM
It's been a good start to the Gavitt Games.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Skatastrophy on November 16, 2021, 10:16:42 PM
I didn't realize Michigan is ranked 4th. Great week for the big east.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 16, 2021, 10:50:21 PM
BYU up 19 at the half against Oregon in Portland.

Now up 29!!  Wow just wow.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 17, 2021, 07:30:04 PM
Upset alert:  George Mason up 8 at Mayland with 8 mins to go.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: tower912 on November 17, 2021, 07:34:42 PM
Without Kolek?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 17, 2021, 07:44:01 PM
Without Kolek?

They probably won't hold on. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 17, 2021, 07:44:37 PM
Without Kolek?

Doesn’t bode well for Marquette if GMU is better without Kolek
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 17, 2021, 07:46:44 PM
Or....maybe they will.  :)
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 17, 2021, 07:52:45 PM
Absolute  horsebleep call on George Mason.  Beyond inexcusable.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: cheebs09 on November 17, 2021, 07:53:16 PM
Well, Maryland is without Morsell.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 17, 2021, 07:59:13 PM
Tremendous shot fake and finish from the Mason center!  SLAM THE DOOR!
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 17, 2021, 08:00:44 PM
George Mason's coach looks like he's 25.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: forgetful on November 17, 2021, 08:00:52 PM
Doesn’t bode well for Marquette if GMU is better without Kolek

Looks like GMU brought in 3 pretty good transfer guards. So it took 3 guards to replace one Kolek.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: tower912 on November 17, 2021, 08:01:50 PM
George Mason's coach looks like he's 25.
Google search says 33.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 17, 2021, 08:05:22 PM
Kim English made those two late free throws for Missouri to beat Marquette in 2009 tournament.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: cheebs09 on November 17, 2021, 08:07:25 PM
Kim English made those two late free throws for Missouri to beat Marquette in 2009 tournament.

Wasn’t ready to relive that one tonight.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 17, 2021, 08:08:41 PM
Kim English made those two late free throws for Missouri to beat Marquette in 2009 tournament.

He's was a pretty solid player.  It's a great thing to see B14 teams lose.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: tower912 on November 17, 2021, 08:09:20 PM
Was that the one that led to the rule change?   Or discussion thereof?  Didn't he come off the bench?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: shoothoops on November 17, 2021, 08:27:50 PM
English came in to shoot the free throws because JT Tiller had a wrist injury. He made them.

Then, down 2 with 5.5 seconds left Lazar stepped over the end line on the in bounds. Foul, two more FT’s ball game.

English came off of the bench as a Freshman, and scored 15 points in less than 5 minutes plus the two FT’s for 17. Jerel had 30.

Kimmie worked for Haith at Tulsa, Boyle at Colorado, Barnes at Tennessee (recruited Kennedy Chandler). He’s very good. I’d be surprised if he didn’t coach Mizzou at some point.

 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 17, 2021, 08:29:42 PM
First ranked win for George Mason since 2007.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Pakuni on November 17, 2021, 09:02:05 PM
Dayton loses by 19 at home to Lipscomb.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on November 17, 2021, 09:45:43 PM
Dayton loses by 19 at home to Lipscomb.

Obi Toppin ain’t walkin’ through that door!
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on November 18, 2021, 08:22:30 AM
Dayton loses by 19 at home to Lipscomb.

ABD!
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 20, 2021, 04:35:06 PM
I said this last week but Ivey on Purdue is no joke.  Tremendous zoomability off the bounce and did you see that hops.  Without question a lottery pick and maybe POY in college basketball. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 20, 2021, 04:43:59 PM
I said this last week but Ivey on Purdue is no joke.  Tremendous zoomability off the bounce and did you see that hops.  Without question a lottery pick and maybe POY in college basketball.

Purdue plays at a different speed
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 20, 2021, 04:47:42 PM
Purdue plays at a different speed

Not a fan of that program but that team is super dangerous.  They're a legitimate title threat.  Excellent overall pieces and depth.  On paper they should absolutely handle Nova.  Really interesting match-up if they beat UNC.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 20, 2021, 04:50:17 PM
Not a fan of that program but that team is super dangerous.  They're a legitimate title threat.  Excellent overall pieces and depth.  On paper they should absolutely handle Nova.  Really interesting match-up if they beat UNC.

That’s a helluva game for November
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 20, 2021, 05:57:46 PM
Colgate will win at Syracuse.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 20, 2021, 06:02:06 PM
Colgate will win at Syracuse.

https://twitter.com/kenpomeroy/status/1462209322738352128?s=21
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 20, 2021, 06:05:41 PM
I flipped it on the final couple of minutes. Syracuse actually lead 17-2. Lost 100-85. Love it!
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Jockey on November 20, 2021, 07:10:18 PM
Dayton loses by 19 at home to Lipscomb.

Aren't they one of the teams that is even more inexperienced than MU? Maybe 1 senior and 1 junior on the team.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Herman Cain on November 20, 2021, 07:16:31 PM
I flipped it on the final couple of minutes. Syracuse actually lead 17-2. Lost 100-85. Love it!
Losing to a local rival hurts
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 20, 2021, 07:43:37 PM
I flipped it on the final couple of minutes. Syracuse actually lead 17-2. Lost 100-85. Love it!

Nice!!!
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: wadesworld on November 20, 2021, 08:40:49 PM
Syracuse got pasted.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 21, 2021, 06:21:37 AM
I wish Nova/Purdue wasn’t at noon, that’s going to be a heck of a game.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on November 21, 2021, 07:51:17 AM
I wish Nova/Purdue wasn’t at noon, that’s going to be a heck of a game.

Was thinking the exact same. I'll try not to find out who won so I can watch the replay after I enjoy Cam's return. (At least I hope it's enjoyable for me.)
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: shoothoops on November 21, 2021, 08:05:14 AM
Jaden Ivey is a good example of a player that initially wasn’t highly recruited that has done very well for himself and his teams, and continues to do so.

Purdue was his first high major offer after their camp. They were in on him well before many others.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 21, 2021, 08:41:54 AM
Having watched both Purdue and Nova it's hard to see Nova pulling this one off.  I hope I'm wrong but Purdue has two really competent post bigs.  Ivey is a total stud and they also have a dead-eye shooter.  They're good and they're deep.  Nova has to find a way to control the pace.  They do not want a track meet with Purdue. We all.want small ball to prevail so hopefully Nova is on from distance.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 21, 2021, 12:07:59 PM
Edey is an enormous problem for Nova.  Dude is 7'4.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 21, 2021, 12:15:35 PM
Nova getting absolutely hammered on the glass.  They may have to make 12+ triples.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 21, 2021, 12:24:04 PM
It's early but it looks like Purdue just has too much.  They're getting any shot they want and dominating inside.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 21, 2021, 12:45:48 PM
Great to see the refs letting these teams play.  Zero total free throws   Soid half of hoops.  Somehow Nove up 33-31. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: tower912 on November 21, 2021, 01:19:08 PM
Nova had their first turnover with 13:15 to go in the game.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 21, 2021, 01:22:46 PM
Nova had their first turnover with 13:15 to go in the game.

Incredible.  But the fouls are stsrring to pile up.  Hopefully Nova finds a way.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 21, 2021, 01:34:21 PM
It's really interesting.  Purdue has two great offensive bigs but Painter can't play them together.  They have this enormous advantage inside but it may be disrupting the flow of their offense by constantly pounding it into them.  Wright for the most part isn't doubling their bigs.  Man I hope Noca pulls this off.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 21, 2021, 01:37:36 PM
Terrible sequence by Gillespie.  Free throws are hurting Nova.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 21, 2021, 01:40:49 PM
Omg!!   Gillespie absolutely changed the momentum of the game in Purdue's favor.  Horrible.  Horrible, horrible, horrible.  Went from 9 to 1  because of inexcusable plays on both ends of the floor from an apparent All-American.  Smh.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: tower912 on November 21, 2021, 01:45:01 PM
8 straight makes for Purdue.  Nova looks tired. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 21, 2021, 01:46:15 PM
8 straight makes for Purdue.  Nova looks tired.

This game is reminiscent of what happened at Pauley. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: tower912 on November 21, 2021, 01:48:44 PM
The announcers are correct.  Jay needs a deeper bench.   
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 21, 2021, 01:52:27 PM
Ivey really taking over down the stretch.  Best athlete on the floor and pro prospect.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 21, 2021, 01:57:16 PM
Purdue definitely has more weapons but Nova has missed 8 free throws and did not play well to close the game.  You can blame it on fatigue or a short bench but they have had short benches before.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 21, 2021, 01:59:05 PM
I will say this:  I think Purdue may have the best overall talent In the country. If they make threes you're not beating them imo.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 21, 2021, 01:59:34 PM
Purdue definitely has more weapons but Nova has missed 8 free throws and did not play well to close the game.  You can blame it on fatigue or a short bench but they have had short benches before.

We should remember Nova is beset by injuries. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 21, 2021, 02:08:11 PM
We should remember Nova is beset by injuries.

They are?  I didn't realize that.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 21, 2021, 02:10:01 PM
They are?  I didn't realize that.

Cosby-Roundtree is out for the year and Antoine is hurt again
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 21, 2021, 02:10:41 PM
Damn.....Ole Miss lost to Boise St.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 21, 2021, 04:16:42 PM
Tenn up big on UNC.  Garcia does not look particularly happy.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 21, 2021, 04:32:31 PM
UNC’s last 4 games, they averaged giving up 88 points a game.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 21, 2021, 04:44:53 PM
Huggy may have gotten carried away with an array of  dishes at the local eateries in Charleston.  He can barely move on the sidelines.  I think he's getting close to the 325 lb range.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 21, 2021, 06:13:47 PM
West Virginia beats Clemson.  The Tigers blew big leads vs both WVU and SBU.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 21, 2021, 10:01:05 PM
Zona is rolling Michigan. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: CountryRoads on November 21, 2021, 10:02:45 PM
Zona is rolling Michigan.

I just turned it on and haven’t seen them much, but that tubelis kid is supposed to be pretty good.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 21, 2021, 10:07:10 PM
I just turned it on and haven’t seen them much, but that tubelis kid is supposed to be pretty good.

I have just watched the last few mins. He's been very impressive.  Their coach was at Gonzaga for 20 yrs.  For about 10 yrs I've inquired if we had any interest in him.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 21, 2021, 10:23:21 PM
Purdue and maybe Illinois with Cockburn are clearly the favorites in the B14.  Big step down after those two ball clubs. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Herman Cain on November 22, 2021, 09:17:20 AM
Buzz and Texas A &M playing the Badgers in the quarterfinals of the Maui Invitational in Las Vegas
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: wadesworld on November 22, 2021, 09:59:03 AM
Buzz and Texas A &M playing the Badgers in the quarterfinals of the Maui Invitational in Las Vegas

Can they both lose?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on November 22, 2021, 10:13:17 AM
Can they both lose?

Floor condensation?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on November 22, 2021, 10:41:59 AM
BTW, Huggy’s rant on his team yesterday was a classic. Not sure how much ESPN showed. He called a time out five seconds away from a media timeout, and just went into a total verbal lambasting. The music was blaring in the arena so much so I couldn’t hear my friend next to me…but we could all hear Huggy. His vocabulary used words that even KO didn’t even know. He slammed and broke his clipboard so hard, broken pieces landed in the other team’s backcourt. Mind you, this was an extended time out.

Play resumed and after seconds the media time out kicked in. And off he went again. Then as a perfect dramatic actor would, used the last part to lay out the play and regroup his team. The main object of his rant was senior star Sean McNeil who I don’t think missed the rest of the night, but more importantly, started playing defense, which was the cause of the rant. Clemson never had a chance after that.

WVU fans miss the old BE. We mentioned that MU moving to a basketball only conference was a good move for us. They said, “hey, we are a basketball only school too”.  Even though they beat Texas, the distance between schools has killed any football fan mojo for them. Maybe the conference adds help a bit but their fans love their hoops.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on November 22, 2021, 11:45:16 AM
BTW, Huggy’s rant on his team yesterday was a classic. Not sure how much ESPN showed. He called a time out five seconds away from a media timeout, and just went into a total verbal lambasting. The music was blaring in the arena so much so I couldn’t hear my friend next to me…but we could all hear Huggy. His vocabulary used words that even KO didn’t even know. He slammed and broke his clipboard so hard, broken pieces landed in the other team’s backcourt. Mind you, this was an extended time out.

Play resumed and after seconds the media time out kicked in. And off he went again. Then as a perfect dramatic actor would, used the last part to lay out the play and regroup his team. The main object of his rant was senior star Sean McNeil who I don’t think missed the rest of the night, but more importantly, started playing defense, which was the cause of the rant. Clemson never had a chance after that.

WVU fans miss the old BE. We mentioned that MU moving to a basketball only conference was a good move for us. They said, “hey, we are a basketball only school too”.  Even though they beat Texas, the distance between schools has killed any football fan mojo for them. Maybe the conference adds help a bit but their fans love their hoops.

Now that the last MU-Cincy clashes are 15+ years behind us and my blood has long since stopped boiling, I can't help but love Huggins.  He's a great coach, he's super amusing, and he's morphed into a pretty good dude by many accounts.

I also enjoy watching his WVU teams which seem to play different and with a different attitude than his Bearcat teams
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 22, 2021, 11:58:32 AM
Now that the last MU-Cincy clashes are 15+ years behind us and my blood has long since stopped boiling, I can't help but love Huggins.  He's a great coach, he's super amusing, and he's morphed into a pretty good dude by many accounts.

I also enjoy watching his WVU teams which seem to play different and with a different attitude than his Bearcat teams

he's still one of the dirtiest in the game. No admiration there.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 22, 2021, 06:51:21 PM
What in the world is up with Illinois??
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Pakuni on November 22, 2021, 07:10:05 PM
What in the world is up with Illinois??

They're doing us no favors.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 22, 2021, 07:23:16 PM
I guess we can scout KSU.  Any predictions for the Gonzaga/UCLA game tomorrow?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Herman Cain on November 22, 2021, 07:25:25 PM
I guess we can scout KSU.  Any predictions for the Gonzaga/UCLA game tomorrow?
I will be rooting for UCLA. Want them to be unbeaten when they face MU.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 22, 2021, 07:28:08 PM
What in the world is up with Illinois??

Curbello thinks he's Steph Curry.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 22, 2021, 07:30:26 PM
Curbello thinks he's Steph Curry.

That's never a good sign.  Delusional?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 22, 2021, 07:39:24 PM
That's never a good sign.  Delusional?

Unless you are actually Steph Curry. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 22, 2021, 07:52:16 PM
Unless you are actually Steph Curry.

I think he's the most skilled offensive player in history.  He's not just "the best shooter".  I was able to watch him twice in pre-game (by himself ) pretty close to floor.  It's hard to really comprehend how ridiculous he is.  He took about 15 shots where he put crazy arc on the ball, several of which were like 24 foot runners both hard right/hard left.  I'm talking horse/dicking around shots.  He splashed like 12/15.  :)
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 22, 2021, 07:52:38 PM
If Lafayette hangs on to beat Rutgers, cancel the Big 10 season.

I’m not joking either.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 22, 2021, 07:59:43 PM
If Lafayette hangs on to beat Rutgers, cancel the Big 10 season.

I’m not joking either.

Do you want to tell them or should I?  :)
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 22, 2021, 08:00:16 PM
Final: Lafayette 53, Rutgers 51

Rock bottom.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 22, 2021, 08:04:04 PM
Final: Lafayette 53, Rutgers 51

Rock bottom.

KenPom had Rutgers as a 96% win probability and favored by 20.  That’s the worst loss of the season thus far
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 22, 2021, 08:07:19 PM
KenPom had Rutgers as a 96% win probability and favored by 20.  That’s the worst loss of the season thus far

LOL.  Has the NET conf ratings come out yet?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: tower912 on November 22, 2021, 08:08:30 PM
Mid major.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 22, 2021, 08:09:13 PM
To put how bad of a loss that was, Rutgers was booed off the court.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 22, 2021, 08:17:52 PM
Arkansas has athletes.  Musselman seems to know what he's doing.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 22, 2021, 08:49:03 PM
I think he's the most skilled offensive player in history.  He's not just "the best shooter".  I was able to watch him twice in pre-game (by himself ) pretty close to floor.  It's hard to really comprehend how ridiculous he is.  He took about 15 shots where he put crazy arc on the ball, several of which were like 24 foot runners both hard right/hard left.  I'm talking horse/dicking around shots.  He splashed like 12/15.  :)

I was at the Warriors/Blazers playoff game in 2016 when Curry came back from injury and dropped 17 in OT, 40 for the game. We all walked out of Moda amazed at what we’d just seen. The guy is a marvel.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: wadesworld on November 22, 2021, 10:39:05 PM
I’ve listened to Lowe’s podcast pretty consistently for years now and on multiple occasions this season he or his guest have brought up the idea that people have wonder whether Curry could perform at the highest level without KD. How have we forgotten that Steph was a back to back MVP, once unanimous, an NBA champion, and followed that with a 73 win regular season and what would’ve been a back to back title if not for a suspension to Draymond, all before KD became a Warrior? Silly stuff.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 22, 2021, 11:03:50 PM
I’ve listened to Lowe’s podcast pretty consistently for years now and on multiple occasions this season he or his guest have brought up the idea that people have wonder whether Curry could perform at the highest level without KD. How have we forgotten that Steph was a back to back MVP, once unanimous, an NBA champion, and followed that with a 73 win regular season and what would’ve been a back to back title if not for a suspension to Draymond, all before KD became a Warrior? Silly stuff.

I remember when I lived in Madison in 2008 listening to the beginning of the Davidson/UW S16 game  on the radio.  Mike Lucas said probably four times in the early moments: "Curry MAY be the best player on the floor but one guy can't beat a complete team."  That didn't exactly  come to pass for the weasel/rodents.  :) 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on November 23, 2021, 08:46:27 AM
Arkansas has athletes.  Musselman seems to know what he's doing.

Musselman is a REALLY good coach who has won literally everywhere.  CBA, USBL, G Leadue, NBA, and College.  His NBA record is deceiving cause he was in 2 terrible situations but actually performed quite well all things considered, was runner up COY in GS.

He plays a really fun style of basketball down in Fayetteville and he's recruiting really well.  They are tough
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on November 23, 2021, 09:23:33 AM
Musselman is a REALLY good coach who has won literally everywhere.  CBA, USBL, G Leadue, NBA, and College.  His NBA record is deceiving cause he was in 2 terrible situations but actually performed quite well all things considered, was runner up COY in GS.

He plays a really fun style of basketball down in Fayetteville and he's recruiting really well.  They are tough

His father was similar. He bent rules (and “bent” is generous), but he could coach. Bill actually got fired by the T-Wolves for winning too much. He coached exactly as they hired him to do … and they fired him for it.

Bill was a strange dude but a great coach. I don’t know Eric but I agree he’s been a superb coach.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: brewcity77 on November 23, 2021, 10:38:42 AM
LOL.  Has the NET conf ratings come out yet?

Not yet, but the Big East has the second best P6 conference record and the most wins vs other P6 leagues (10-5). Also tied for fewest buy game losses. Aside from Feast Week, the Big East/Big 12 Battle will be important. As it stands, we are probably in line for 5-6 bids but winning that could push it to 6-7. Not impossible to think of 8 teams if we have 2-3 that are really bad and a number logjammed in the 8-12 win range, but that's a really tall order.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 23, 2021, 10:54:14 AM
Not yet, but the Big East has the second best P6 conference record and the most wins vs other P6 leagues (10-5). Also tied for fewest buy game losses. Aside from Feast Week, the Big East/Big 12 Battle will be important. As it stands, we are probably in line for 5-6 bids but winning that could push it to 6-7. Not impossible to think of 8 teams if we have 2-3 that are really bad and a number logjammed in the 8-12 win range, but that's a really tall order.

Ty.  Should we be concerned with Houston being overconfident against the weasel/rodents?  How good is Houston Brew?  I thought they lost they're three best players?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: tower912 on November 23, 2021, 10:58:36 AM
As long as MU beats Wiscy, who cares how they do against Houston?    If MU plays well, don't worry about the tournament.    If MU plays like crap, don't worry about the tournament.     Only worry about the tournament if MU plays 'meh' to 'pretty good.'
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on November 23, 2021, 11:19:45 AM
I think he's the most skilled offensive player in history.  He's not just "the best shooter".  I was able to watch him twice in pre-game (by himself ) pretty close to floor.  It's hard to really comprehend how ridiculous he is.  He took about 15 shots where he put crazy arc on the ball, several of which were like 24 foot runners both hard right/hard left.  I'm talking horse/dicking around shots.  He splashed like 12/15.  :)

He has a routine at home where the usher passes him the ball to shoot from spots along the tunnel path on the way to the locker room.  Sick
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 23, 2021, 11:20:55 AM
Curry bebopping and scatting all over the Badgers in the 2008 Sweet 16 will forever have a place in my heart
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: brewcity77 on November 23, 2021, 11:25:40 AM
Ty.  Should we be concerned with Houston being overconfident against the weasel/rodents?  How good is Houston Brew?  I thought they lost they're three best players?

Not sure why it would concern us. It depends on what you're rooting for. Best for Marquette is a Wisconsin win because that strengthens our opponents. Best for the Big East is a Houston win because it weakens the Big 10 and their claim for bids. I have a hard time seeing the AAC being more than a 2-3 bid league, maybe 4 if things really break right, but I don't think they'll be stealing bids from us come Selection Sunday.

As far as how good Houston is, I just trust Kelvin Sampson. Marquette never would've made that hire, but he was clearly the best hire of the 2014 coaching carousel and would've been a better hire than Wojo, no question. He's had a top-20 kenpom team going on 5 years running now and has won 12+ in the AAC every year since his second season. Their backcourt with Sasser and Edwards is legit and he just keeps finding the right guys to win. As long as he's there, I think penciling them in to being an AAC contender and top-6 NCAA seed is a pretty safe bet, with protected seeds being the case more often than not simply because the league is good enough to get them a high seed but not challenging enough to give them many losses.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 23, 2021, 12:33:30 PM
Not sure why it would concern us. It depends on what you're rooting for. Best for Marquette is a Wisconsin win because that strengthens our opponents. Best for the Big East is a Houston win because it weakens the Big 10 and their claim for bids. I have a hard time seeing the AAC being more than a 2-3 bid league, maybe 4 if things really break right, but I don't think they'll be stealing bids from us come Selection Sunday.

As far as how good Houston is, I just trust Kelvin Sampson. Marquette never would've made that hire, but he was clearly the best hire of the 2014 coaching carousel and would've been a better hire than Wojo, no question. He's had a top-20 kenpom team going on 5 years running now and has won 12+ in the AAC every year since his second season. Their backcourt with Sasser and Edwards is legit and he just keeps finding the right guys to win. As long as he's there, I think penciling them in to being an AAC contender and top-6 NCAA seed is a pretty safe bet, with protected seeds being the case more often than not simply because the league is good enough to get them a high seed but not challenging enough to give them many losses.

It matters because I can't stand that program and root for them to lose every game by 30+ :).
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 23, 2021, 12:40:43 PM
He has a routine at home where the usher passes him the ball to shoot from spots along the tunnel path on the way to the locker room.  Sick

can he still do that at the new arena?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: brewcity77 on November 23, 2021, 02:31:15 PM
It matters because I can't stand that program and root for them to lose every game by 30+ :).

I'm assuming you mean the rodents. If so, I think Houston handles them, but we'll see. Like I said, from a resume perspective, better for us if they win, better for the league if they lose. I kind of feel the same about Seton Hall. I know it technically is better for us when Bucky and the Hall win, but I'm more than happy to see them lose and lose and lose.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 23, 2021, 04:46:20 PM
I'm assuming you mean the rodents. If so, I think Houston handles them, but we'll see. Like I said, from a resume perspective, better for us if they win, better for the league if they lose. I kind of feel the same about Seton Hall. I know it technically is better for us when Bucky and the Hall win, but I'm more than happy to see them lose and lose and lose.

38-18 Bucky with less than two minutes go to in the first half. Davis is nearly outscoring Houston by himself.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 23, 2021, 06:13:37 PM
Son of a B. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: brewcity77 on November 23, 2021, 07:18:03 PM
38-18 Bucky with less than two minutes go to in the first half. Davis is nearly outscoring Houston by himself.

Badgers outscored them by 20 in the first, got outscored by 18 in the second. Houston didn't look very composed late on a number of chances to take the lead. Definitely the best UWM has played so far.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 23, 2021, 08:21:57 PM
Is there anything dumber than the "BPI"?  Apparently Gonzaga has a "55% chance" of winning tonight based on their expert formula.  WTF is the purpose of this when there is a spread?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 23, 2021, 08:24:02 PM
My mistake.  Which is more stupid:  the "FPI or the BPI"?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on November 23, 2021, 08:33:57 PM
can he still do that at the new arena?

The tunnel is behind the basket on the side so he shoots it from behind and over the backboard.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 23, 2021, 09:23:54 PM
Gonzaga looks like they're gonna blow UCLA out.  Juzang may have to go bananas.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 23, 2021, 09:37:28 PM
Suggs being the lead guard last year got a lot of people forgetting how good Nembhard is

He’s so tough when he gets downhill
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 23, 2021, 09:38:38 PM
This is an absolute beat down. 10 pts in 12 mins for the Bruins.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 23, 2021, 09:45:52 PM
Marquette should have been a better program the last 20 yrs than both Villanova and Gonzaga imo.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on November 23, 2021, 09:56:43 PM
Looking forward to watching how Morsell deals with Davis.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 23, 2021, 09:56:47 PM
Timme basically a non factor and it’s still a 20 point game
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 23, 2021, 09:59:53 PM
Looking forward to watching how Morsell deals with Davis.

Huh?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on November 23, 2021, 10:18:15 PM
Huh?

Weren't folks talking about Madison earlier? Johnny Davis is one of the very best players we'll face this season. Morsell is our defensive stud. So again ...

Looking forward to watching how Morsell deals with Davis.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 23, 2021, 10:29:25 PM
Weren't folks talking about Madison earlier? Johnny Davis is one of the very best players we'll face this season. Morsell is our defensive stud. So again ...

Looking forward to watching how Morsell deals with Davis.

Oh.....I thought you were talking about UCLA.  Ya....he could be a problem.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 23, 2021, 10:30:57 PM
Really good game between Ark/Cincy.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on November 23, 2021, 10:31:57 PM
And as for UCLA ... I'm kinda glad this is a blowout because Dickie V made it borderline unwatchable for me.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 23, 2021, 10:38:13 PM
And as for UCLA ... I'm kinda glad this is a blowout because Dickie V made it borderline unwatchable for me.

I turned the sound off.  I understand he's a legend, and is recovering from cancer,  but he has no business doing this game.  Of course I said this 15 yrs ago.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 23, 2021, 10:46:14 PM
Gonzaga is just simply better
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: rocky_warrior on November 23, 2021, 10:46:40 PM
Top 5 in the WCC are 26-0.  That's impressive.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on November 23, 2021, 10:59:42 PM
Holmgren is incredibly thin.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on November 23, 2021, 11:01:21 PM
I turned the sound off.  I understand he's a legend, and is recovering from cancer,  but he has no business doing this game.  Of course I said this 15 yrs ago.

Literally came here to say this.  Glad he's doing better, his foundation does good work, and I appreciate what he's done for the sport....but he has NO business being anywhere near a marquee game. 

Timme's obviously an offensive beast, but he's gotten torched a good amount inside.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 23, 2021, 11:42:12 PM
Gonzaga is just simply better

They may "simply" be way better then the next tier of good teams.  Purdue could conceivably cause them some probs. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 24, 2021, 12:15:31 AM
Northwestern just smoked Tom Crean.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Herman Cain on November 24, 2021, 08:08:15 AM
Northwestern just smoked Tom Crean.
Georgia record a humble 2-4………
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on November 24, 2021, 08:22:44 AM
Georgia record a humble 2-4………

I'm not a Crean hater like many here, but it may be time for him to take a step back and slide into a TV role for awhile (which he is, and would be, very good at). 

He's been awful at Georgia.  He isn't even recruiting well.  He's had only 1 top 50 recruit (which was Anthony Edwards) and since Edwards class, he has only brought in 1 top 100 guy and the '22 class will be no different.

He's made Mark Few look like Tubby Smith
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: brewcity77 on November 24, 2021, 08:45:31 AM
I'm not a Crean hater like many here, but it may be time for him to take a step back and slide into a TV role for awhile (which he is, and would be, very good at). 

He's been awful at Georgia.  He isn't even recruiting well.  He's had only 1 top 50 recruit (which was Anthony Edwards) and since Edwards class, he has only brought in 1 top 100 guy and the '22 class will be no different.

He's made Mark Few look like Tubby Smith

Those top recruits can be great for a program, but can also be really bad when it doesn't work out. Romar with Fultz, Jones with Simmons, even Wojo with Ellenson to an extent. You set those expectations of the kind of program and recruiting you'll have going forward, and when it doesn't turn out like that, fans get restless.

As far as Gonzaga last night...good god were they dominant. Watching them against Texas and UCLA it feels like they want to prove that the Baylor loss was a fluke by destroying all contenders. I would be really interested to see them against Purdue. Right now it feels like a clear top-2 then a bunch of other teams trying to be the other Final Four teams. Maybe Kansas and Duke will be up there (Friday will tell a lot) but at this early stage, Gonzaga/Purdue has the feeling Gonzaga/Baylor did a year ago.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Herman Cain on November 24, 2021, 08:52:43 AM
I think Jaime Jacquez gets overlooked for the Bruins. He is a very solid player
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on November 24, 2021, 08:54:56 AM
Those top recruits can be great for a program, but can also be really bad when it doesn't work out. Romar with Fultz, Jones with Simmons, even Wojo with Ellenson to an extent. You set those expectations of the kind of program and recruiting you'll have going forward, and when it doesn't turn out like that, fans get restless.

I don't disagree.  I think they are largely a negative unless you have decent recruiting around them that allows a good team to gel.  Otherwise you get those Washington/LSU/UGA teams that did nothing.  Its not even expectations, its a shiny bauble on top of a rotten core.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: brewcity77 on November 24, 2021, 09:05:00 AM
I think Jaime Jacquez gets overlooked for the Bruins. He is a very solid player

CBS Sports, ESPN, and Athlon had him as a third-team All-American, so I'm not sure how overlooked he could be. I do really like him as a player, at least when he's not playing us. Very good on both ends of the floor.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 24, 2021, 09:30:30 AM
Purdue is +200 to win the Big 10 regular season (in Illinois, can’t bet on the Illini). Michigan is +220, and so far with the eye test, I think Purdue is clearly the top dog in the conference.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 24, 2021, 11:32:34 AM
Any idea how good Loyola-Chi is supposed to be this season?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 24, 2021, 12:42:03 PM
Someone may break their leg slipping on that floor in the Bahamas.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Jockey on November 24, 2021, 12:47:25 PM
Purdue is +200 to win the Big 10 regular season (in Illinois, can’t bet on the Illini). Michigan is +220, and so far with the eye test, I think Purdue is clearly the top dog in the conference.

It looks that way now, but let's wait until they get into the grind of the B10 schedule. See what they do when they go on the road to a hostile arena. That hasn't happened yet.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: brewcity77 on November 24, 2021, 01:22:24 PM
Any idea how good Loyola-Chi is supposed to be this season?

Contender in the MVC, but not as good as they were last year without Krutwig.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: BrewCity83 on November 24, 2021, 02:27:10 PM
Any idea how good Loyola-Chi is supposed to be this season?

About equal to Michigan State.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 24, 2021, 03:22:00 PM
Typically they gel around March

But Oregon is awful right now.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 24, 2021, 03:23:57 PM
Is Walker Kessler from Auburn an NBA player?  He's looks 7'4
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on November 24, 2021, 03:28:17 PM
Is Walker Kessler from Auburn an NBA player?  He's looks 7'4

I mean, he’s a MCD AA who is averaging 4 and 5 for his career projecting towards a league that’s moving away from big traditional centers. I’m not super bullish on it.  But then again Gonzaga wanted him when he transferred so he’s not a complete slouch, but it’s not like he’s a super raw 18 year old
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on November 24, 2021, 04:38:32 PM
About equal to Michigan State.

That not only cracked me up, but it could be true. Which would delight fans of one team but not so much fans of the other.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 24, 2021, 04:44:39 PM
I really wish we had an internationsl scout like SMC.  I'll do it for if I can hang out in New Zealand, Australia. and Fiji.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 24, 2021, 04:48:20 PM
Wisconsin fouls constantly.  Bunch of nonsense that they aren't whistled every possession.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 24, 2021, 04:51:20 PM
Wisconsin fouls constantly.  Bunch of nonsense that they aren't whistled every possession.

They’re consistently one of the dirtiest teams in the nation.  It goes beyond Davison and always has
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: BrewCity83 on November 24, 2021, 04:52:28 PM
Dirtiest, and whinyest.  Can't stand watching those whiny bitches.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Jockey on November 24, 2021, 04:57:57 PM
Dirtiest, and whinyest.  Can't stand watching those whiny bitches.

Speaking of whining....
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 24, 2021, 04:59:34 PM
They’re consistently one of the dirtiest teams in the nation.  It goes beyond Davison and always has

This "they don't foul" crap we've heard for like 20 yrs is quite frankly absurd.  Last I checked (no pun intended) you can foul someone with your body and legs in basketball.  It's a travesty imo and yes, what a bunch of whiny little babies.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 24, 2021, 05:03:01 PM
Speaking of whining....

Why attack here Jockey?  BrewCity didn't do anything, you can sling your arrows my way.  Although why you would placate the weasel/rodents is troubling.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 24, 2021, 05:33:52 PM
Words can't even describe how ludicrous some of these charge calls have been.  Is this a basketbal game or a Broadway show?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on November 24, 2021, 06:40:21 PM
For years, I've heard how Madison's gonna start sucking, how Gard can neither recruit nor coach, etc etc etc. Hell, I've probably said a few of those things myself.

And yet, year after year, they do pretty damn well.

Davis is an outstanding all-around player, Wahl is very good, and their role players do their jobs. As usual. I sure want to beat them on the 4th.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Jockey on November 24, 2021, 06:49:38 PM
Why attack here Jockey?  BrewCity didn't do anything, you can sling your arrows my way.  Although why you would placate the weasel/rodents is troubling.

Because of the double standard.

That is, the Badgers are dirty. Last year when Theo committed some hard fouls, he was just "being aggressive.

I see it over and over again on this board that so & so is dirty or so & so coach has no class. I am tired of that. Most guys are just out there playing as hard as they can. Sometimes hard fouls are committed - that doesn't make them dirty. Of course, Davison is a different case. His hard fouls aren't always 'basketball moves'.


Finally, I don't think I ever take anything out on you or treat you disrespectfully in any way when it comes to sports. When it comes to politics, I plead guilty and throw myself on the mercy of the court.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 24, 2021, 06:50:44 PM
Seton Hall can’t possibly lose to Cal. Cal is a bottom ten power 6 team, they’re not close to good.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 24, 2021, 06:57:09 PM
For years, I've heard how Madison's gonna start sucking, how Gard can neither recruit nor coach, etc etc etc. Hell, I've probably said a few of those things myself.

And yet, year after year, they do pretty damn well.

Davis is a problem.  He has A-A potential.   We need to force him left off the bounce. .  He can hit the step-back both left or right but is more comfortable with his strong hand.with more than one dribble.  I would front Wahl a little bit in the post and let Kur erase his interior shots.  He's crafty with good footwork. 

Davis is an outstanding all-around player, Wahl is very good, and their role players do their jobs. As usual. I sure want to beat them on the 4th.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Jockey on November 24, 2021, 06:58:21 PM
For years, I've heard how Madison's gonna start sucking, how Gard can neither recruit nor coach, etc etc etc. Hell, I've probably said a few of those things myself.

And yet, year after year, they do pretty damn well.

Davis is an outstanding all-around player, Wahl is very good, and their role players do their jobs. As usual. I sure want to beat them on the 4th.

Hit 35% from 3 and I can't see us losing.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 24, 2021, 06:59:35 PM
Because of the double standard.

That is, the Badgers are dirty. Last year when Theo committed some hard fouls, he was just "being aggressive.

I see it over and over again on this board that so & so is dirty or so & so coach has no class. I am tired of that. Most guys are just out there playing as hard as they can. Sometimes hard fouls are committed - that doesn't make them dirty. Of course, Davison is a different case. His hard fouls aren't always 'basketball moves'.


Finally, I don't think I ever take anything out on you or treat you disrespectfully in any way when it comes to sports. When it comes to politics, I plead guilty and throw myself on the mercy of the court.

That's fair although I don't know what people have said about Theo in the past here.  I agree he had a numbee of cheap plays.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on November 24, 2021, 07:23:44 PM
Hit 35% from 3 and I can't see us losing.

I hope we do, and I hope you're right if we do.

Oh, and Theo never grabbed anybody's nuts ... that we know of.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Miss Katie’s on November 25, 2021, 08:48:17 AM
For years, I've heard how Madison's gonna start sucking, how Gard can neither recruit nor coach, etc etc etc. Hell, I've probably said a few of those things myself.

And yet, year after year, they do pretty damn well.

Davis is an outstanding all-around player, Wahl is very good, and their role players do their jobs. As usual. I sure want to beat them on the 4th.

I agree with this analysis.  They will be good.  Again. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: NolongerWarriors on November 25, 2021, 10:44:12 AM
Did MU recruit Davis? 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 25, 2021, 10:53:09 AM
Did MU recruit Davis? 

Yep. But he was offered real early and recruited hard by Bucky. Always was going to be uphill.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: wadesworld on November 25, 2021, 11:01:49 AM
Yep. But he was offered real early and recruited hard by Bucky. Always was going to be uphill.

And they offered his twin.

Weird. Could’ve sworn they were above offering a sibling to get a better sibling.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: brewcity77 on November 25, 2021, 12:17:05 PM
And they offered his twin.

I think that was the key. I think they were the only high major that offered both. Him and Sam Dekker are the only two Wisconsin players in the past 10-15 years I would've really liked here.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 25, 2021, 09:49:41 PM
Iona beat #10 Alabama in Orlando.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: tower912 on November 26, 2021, 06:16:23 AM
That Pitino guy.  He can coach a little.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 26, 2021, 07:53:45 AM
That Pitino guy.  He can coach a little.

Marquette should have hired him.  He was my first choice
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: brewcity77 on November 26, 2021, 08:21:47 AM
Marquette should have hired him.  He was my first choice

I would've loved Pitino, but what happened at Louisville was disqualifying for Marquette.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 26, 2021, 09:26:36 AM
I would've loved Pitino, but what happened at Louisville was disqualifying for Marquette.

Sad!
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on November 26, 2021, 10:42:51 AM
I was talking with an Iona person a few weeks ago.  Rick knows the Iona President through horse racing.  He loves living on a US Open golf course and he has clauses in his contact that if he leaves Iona be has to personally pay the university large $ penalties.  And also apparently at Rick's age he just doesn't want a major U BB job.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: tower912 on November 26, 2021, 10:46:54 AM
It is a nice emeritus gig.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on November 26, 2021, 11:24:22 AM
I was talking with an Iona person a few weeks ago.  Rick knows the Iona President through horse racing.  He loves living on a US Open golf course and he has clauses in his contact that if he leaves Iona be has to personally pay the university large $ penalties.  And also apparently at Rick's age he just doesn't want a major U BB job.

If your Iona person is right, this makes a world of sense.

He's got more money than all but about 0.1% of Americans, he's won NCAA titles. What does he have left to prove? I guess I could see him wanting to show he could win big in the NBA, but otherwise a gig like Iona sounds pretty sweet. He gets to go up against a good program like Alabama and a good coach like Oats, kick some butt, and have everybody talk about how great he is. And if the likes of Loyola and VCU and George Mason can make runs to the Final Four, why not Iona under one of the best coaches ever?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: wadesworld on November 26, 2021, 11:35:25 AM
Baylor might just win back to back titles.

Matthew Mayer taking advantage of Joey Hauser’s quicksand feet.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: CountryRoads on November 26, 2021, 11:37:31 AM
Baylor might just win back to back titles.

Matthew Mayer taking advantage of Joey Hauser’s quicksand feet.

I haven’t watched much of the game, but I checked Hauser’s line and did a search on him and their fans are really flaming him hard. He’s very unpopular there it seems.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 26, 2021, 11:44:49 AM
Baylor might just win back to back titles.

Matthew Mayer taking advantage of Joey Hauser’s quicksand feet.

My gut feeling about Jay Bilas' proclamation that "Joey Hauser is going to have a big year" is that he's likely wrong.   He may have some decent games vs the right match-ups but he is an enormous defensive liability.  He's also not as good as his brother.  Every  coach when he is on the floor is looking to get a Joey switch and isolate him off the bounce.  We're not taking about a guy with elite quickness.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 26, 2021, 11:54:03 AM
My gut feeling about Jay Bilas' proclamation that "Joey Hauser is going to have a big year" is that he's likely wrong.   He may have some decent games vs the right match-ups but he is an enormous defensive liability.  He's also not as good as his brother.  Every  coach when he is on the floor is looking to get a Joey switch and isolate him off the bounce.  We're not taking about a guy with elite quickness.

Ur just deflicting/disstravtion from ur love off Wojo-Dukit slurp
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Skatastrophy on November 26, 2021, 11:55:09 AM
Bad body language from Michigan State. Not a lot of high fives or low fives, not gonna win that way.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on November 26, 2021, 02:10:21 PM
My gut feeling about Jay Bilas' proclamation that "Joey Hauser is going to have a big year" is that he's likely wrong.   He may have some decent games vs the right match-ups but he is an enormous defensive liability.  He's also not as good as his brother.  Every  coach when he is on the floor is looking to get a Joey switch and isolate him off the bounce.  We're not taking about a guy with elite quickness.

I generally think Bilas is a good analyst, but he's wrong on these kinds of things quite often. For example, he was on the Harry Froling bandwagon big-time. And he said 100 times that Josh Gasser was gonna have a long NBA career. Among many other poor calls.

He listens to the coaches a lot. Izzo was trying to pump up Hauser before the season, even saying something like he might run the offense through Joey sometimes ... which was kind of comical. Bilas talks to Izzo, and ipso fatso he's talking about Joey having a big year.

If Joey's hitting 3s, he'll stay on the court even if his defense sucks because every team is desperate for shooters. But if he's not hitting 3s, Izzo can't play him because he's too much of a liability otherwise.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 26, 2021, 02:19:28 PM
 He's got more money than all but about 0.1% of Americans, he's won NCAA titles. What does he have left to prove?




Dat he kan last longer dan 15 seconds, hey?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 26, 2021, 02:33:02 PM
That Kansas/Dayton finish, wow.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 26, 2021, 02:34:50 PM
Ball hit front of the rim, hit high of the glass and went in for a Dayton shocker!
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 26, 2021, 02:39:41 PM
Ball hit front of the rim, hit high of the glass and went in for a Dayton shocker!

Great block, well defended, ugly shot high over the defender’ out stretched   hand while fading away from the hoop…ball game. College basketball!
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 26, 2021, 02:54:09 PM
Thank you Dayton.

Sincerely,

The entire world.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on November 26, 2021, 03:50:07 PM
If it didn't go in, there should have been a defensive goaltending call since a KU player hit the net while the ball was bouncing around on the rim. Ref probably would have swallowed his whistle.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: tower912 on November 26, 2021, 03:51:08 PM
Happy for Dayton.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 26, 2021, 08:21:53 PM
The mighty UT-Rio Grande Vaqueros are up 2 vs Illinois with about 11 mins to go in the 2nd half.  Smh.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 26, 2021, 08:22:29 PM
Will Gonzaga dispose of Duke?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: CountryRoads on November 26, 2021, 08:26:12 PM
The mighty UT-Rio Grande Vaqueros are up 2 vs Illinois with about 11 mins to go in the 2nd half.  Smh.

So much for that signature win. They’ll probably end up decent, but I was hoping that would end up a top 10 win come March.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 26, 2021, 08:30:04 PM
So much for that signature win. They’ll probably end up decent, but I was hoping that would end up a top 10 win come March.

Frazier and Cubelo aren't playing but still.  RGV?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 26, 2021, 08:54:24 PM
Scumbag Pitino and Iona lose to Belmont. Get Kansas for third place tomorrow. Dayton v. Belmont for the Orlando title.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 26, 2021, 09:32:49 PM
I really, really, want to see Theo John absolutely bully Drew Timme.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 26, 2021, 09:48:16 PM
I really, really, want to see Theo John absolutely bully Drew Timme.

That could happen.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 26, 2021, 09:56:58 PM
According to Jay Bilas:  Theo John came to Duke as an 'excellent offensive rebounder".  I guess we learn something new every day.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on November 26, 2021, 09:58:21 PM
According to Jay Bilas:  Theo John came into Duke as an 'excellent offensive rebounder".  I guess we learn something new every day.

He was an excellent offensive rebounder. It was the defensive glass he wasn't great at
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on November 26, 2021, 09:59:12 PM
According to Jay Bilas:  Theo John came into Duke as an 'excellent offensive rebounder".  I guess we learn something new every day.

Theo did get a great offensive rebound in among 3 Gonzaga players, which is why Bilas said that.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 26, 2021, 10:00:16 PM
If Duke doesn’t win this game, they sure as hell are gonna hang around better than Texas and UCLA did
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 26, 2021, 10:01:36 PM
He was an excellent offensive rebounder. It was the defensive glass he wasn't great at

I guess I missed that.  Refresh my memory. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 26, 2021, 10:03:07 PM
Theo did get a great offensive rebound in among 3 Gonzaga players, which is why Bilas said that.

When Muggsy blocked a shot did the announcers exclaim he was a great shot blocker?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 26, 2021, 10:05:38 PM
Is it me or are these cameras nowhere near the courr?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 26, 2021, 10:07:58 PM
I can’t remember for the life of me Kevin Durant in college surely even he wasn’t as skinny as Holmgren is.

He is going to bodied on the defensive end in the NBA.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 26, 2021, 10:08:45 PM
The Zags are getting torched in transition.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on November 26, 2021, 10:10:24 PM
When Muggsy blocked a shot did the announcers exclaim he was a great shot blocker?

FWIW, I'm guessing Theo had more offensive rebounds at Marquette than Muggsy had blocked shots at Wake.

Like you, I don't remember Theo being an especially good offensive rebounder while at our alma mater. Maybe the advanced stats folks can shed some light on it. As we discussed earlier, Bilas is often wrong.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 26, 2021, 10:10:47 PM
How about  Iowa St.?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 26, 2021, 10:15:30 PM
FWIW, I'm guessing Theo had more offensive rebounds at Marquette than Muggsy had blocked shots at Wake.

Like you, I don't remember Theo being an especially good offensive rebounder while at our alma mater. Maybe the advanced stats folks can shed some light on it. As we discussed earlier, Bilas is often wrong.

1.5 a game carrer.  I didn't realize that was "excellent".  Muggs I believe blocked Patrick Ewng's shot once.  :)
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 26, 2021, 10:17:29 PM
Banchero is a special player.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on November 26, 2021, 10:17:40 PM
So far, from what I've seen this season, I would definitely draft Banchero ahead of Holmgren.

I really like Keels, too, but I'm not sure if he's considered a top-10 guy yet or not.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 26, 2021, 10:19:26 PM
Banchero is a special player.

For what they paid for him he should be.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 26, 2021, 10:20:45 PM
Also Timme once again getting exposed by athletic bigs.

Cmon guys, he ain’t gonna be a successful NBA player.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 26, 2021, 10:21:39 PM
Uhhhh.....Bachero is by far the best player om the floor.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 26, 2021, 10:26:04 PM
For what they paid for him he should be.

LOL
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on November 26, 2021, 10:27:53 PM
Uhhhh.....Bachero is by far the best player om the floor.

Wait ... are you trying to say I didn't discover him? Jeesh!
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on November 26, 2021, 10:29:00 PM
I guess I missed that.  Refresh my memory.

He had an offensive rebounding rate of 7.3%. Top 450 in the country (out of thousands) and top 20 in conference (out of 120ish) in that stat. You can quibble about the adjective used but he was at very least a good offensive rebounder. It was the defensive end that he was below average in.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 26, 2021, 10:31:45 PM
Hard to believe this is only a 3pt game because Gonzaga looked atrocious in stretches.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 26, 2021, 10:33:23 PM
He had an offensive rebounding rate of 7.3%. Top 450 in the country (out of thousands) and top 20 in conference (out of 120ish) in that stat. You can quibble about the adjective used but he was at very least a good offensive rebounder. It was the defensive end that he was below average in.

I guess I will "quibble" about 1.5 offensive rebs a game being "excellent".  Moses Malone he is not.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 26, 2021, 10:50:24 PM
Good thing for Memphis that Duke/Zags was on at the same time.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 26, 2021, 10:52:47 PM
Terrible foul  call on that Timmie drive.  Theo may decide to deck Timmie in the next 10 mins.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 26, 2021, 10:56:01 PM
Theo with some offense
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 26, 2021, 10:57:16 PM
I don't know why but Timmie's expressions remind me of the deputy in Mississippi Burning.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 26, 2021, 10:59:12 PM
Duke might wanna find out why their star players keep cramping in big games
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 26, 2021, 11:00:24 PM
Duke might wanna find out why their star players keep cramping in big games

Very strange.  Nerves?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 26, 2021, 11:12:43 PM
Moronic foul by Timmie.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 26, 2021, 11:22:13 PM
Zags TOs are keeping Duke in this
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 26, 2021, 11:28:14 PM
Zags TOs are keeping Duke in this

Gonzaga has  been kicking the ball away like crazy.  Moore has been really good as well. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 26, 2021, 11:29:51 PM
These refs suck
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 26, 2021, 11:32:24 PM
These refs suck

Agreed.  Way too many bad calls.  Nembhard should probably burn the tape after this one.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 26, 2021, 11:34:01 PM
Keels body is NBA ready

His shot is not
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 26, 2021, 11:37:03 PM
Timme dumb
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 26, 2021, 11:40:44 PM
Timme dumb

17 turns and the kind of turns the Zags had was the story of the game.  Timmie did s number of boneheaded things out there as well.  :)
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 26, 2021, 11:43:06 PM
What in the hell was that final possession
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 26, 2021, 11:47:26 PM
What in the hell was that final possession

Not good.  Nembhard quite frankly had an awful night.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on November 27, 2021, 12:39:42 AM
I guess I will "quibble" about 1.5 offensive rebs a game being "excellent".  Moses Malone he is not.

O rebs per game is a pretty inaccurate stat,  especially when looking at career numbers. That stat weights theos freshmen year more heavily than his junior or senior years because he played more games despite playing less than half the minutes. Oreb rate is much more accurate.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Mutaman on November 27, 2021, 12:47:43 AM
Theo is a good cheerleader.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 27, 2021, 12:52:11 AM
O rebs per game is a pretty inaccurate stat,  especially when looking at career numbers. That stat weights theos freshmen year more heavily than his junior or senior years because he played more games despite playing less than half the minutes. Oreb rate is much more accurate.

Then is every per game stat inaccurate because it's per game and not per minute? 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on November 27, 2021, 06:40:44 AM
Then is every per game stat inaccurate because it's per game and not per minute?

Compared to advanced stats? Yes. And it's not per minute, it's per possession. 10 minutes playing in a Shaka vs. Huggy Bear track meet is going to result in a lot more possessions (meaning more opportunities for accumulation stats such as offensive rebounds) than 10 minutes playing in a Greg Gard vs. Tony Bennett slosh fest.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 27, 2021, 02:13:43 PM
St.  Bonny down 6 at home to UNI with about 13 mins left in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: rocky_warrior on November 27, 2021, 02:54:32 PM
St.  Bonny down 6 at home to UNI with about 13 mins left in the 2nd half.


Bonnies lost 90-80.

Sigh, the teams we've played have really not done there part to help our computer efficiency numbers.  Back down under 100 in T-Rank.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MUfan12 on November 27, 2021, 02:55:30 PM
St.  Bonny down 6 at home to UNI with about 13 mins left in the 2nd half.

Hopefully UNI called a timeout once the game was in hand.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 27, 2021, 02:57:34 PM
UNI takes out St. Bonny.  This is a team that was 1-3 and lost to Nichol's St.  So, when I and a number of other scoopers said last week, that SBU wasn't a great team, perhaps we should have been taken seriously?  Everyone has a dud game but we lost our composure to an average team.  Hopefully we bounce back tonight and get it in gear for a very challenging Dec.  Remember, St. Bonaventure is St. Bonaventure.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 27, 2021, 03:04:41 PM

Bonnies lost 90-80.

Sigh, the teams we've played have really not done there part to help our computer efficiency numbers.  Back down under 100 in T-Rank.

Rocky:  Remember, remember, we must take care of business in December.  And we have the opportunity.  But we cannot play like a dumpster fire and completely lose focus which absolutely happened against SBU.  Now you know why I was so upset and warned the SBU fans of the actual potential of that team.  They're good but nowhere near a threat in the NCAA tournament as I suspected .
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on November 27, 2021, 03:11:23 PM
UNI takes out St. Bonny.  This is a team that was 1-3 and lost to Nichol's St.  So, when I and a number of other scoopers said last week, that SBU wasn't a great team, perhaps we should have been taken seriously?  Everyone has a dud game but we lost our composure to an average team.  Hopefully we bounce back tonight and get it in gear for a very challenging Dec.  Remember, St. Bonaventure is St. Bonaventure.

It's also possible that teams don't play consistently, especially in the early part of the season, so one loss or win shouldn't be used to determine the quality of a team.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: tower912 on November 27, 2021, 03:19:29 PM
SBU, ah well.  Too bad for them.      Worry about MU.   
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: wadesworld on November 27, 2021, 03:21:41 PM
SBU, ah well.  Too bad for them.      Worry about MU.   

Agreed. The angst over what teams we played do here is crazy. We’ve done well so far. All that matters is us winning 14-15 more games.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: rocky_warrior on November 27, 2021, 03:24:37 PM
Rocky:  Remember, remember, we must take care of business in December. 

You're far more optimistic than me on this MU team.  I just hope we don't get too embarrassed in Dec.  As much as you may be down on the Bonnies, they're a far better team than MU.  Sure teams have bad days (the bonnies just did),  but you don't get the doors blown off by 30 to a "crap" team (as MU was until the bonnies took a timeout and put their bench in).
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: tower912 on November 27, 2021, 03:25:47 PM
Right.  With MU's schedule, 19 is probably enough.  If MU gets there, SBU-UNI won't matter.   If MU doesn't get there, SBU-UNI won't matter.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: cheebs09 on November 27, 2021, 03:26:08 PM
Clearly their fans had a letdown game after a big win. They were looking ahead to the Sweet 16.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 27, 2021, 03:34:06 PM
Monmouth won at Cincinnati
UMBC won at Pitt.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on November 27, 2021, 03:42:42 PM
Just checked the box score on that UNI/St. Bona game. UNI went 15/31 on threes. If we shot like that, we probably would have won too!
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 27, 2021, 03:45:57 PM
Just checked the box score on that UNI/St. Bona game. UNI went 15/31 on threes. If we shot like that, we probably would have won too!

With all due respect, we lost focus.  That can happen of course but I couldn't even calculate the self-inflicted errors.  The bottom line is we must bounce back quickly because a storm of difficult challenges await. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 27, 2021, 03:46:51 PM
Monmouth won at Cincinnati
UMBC won at Pitt.

Nice
Very Nice!!
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on November 27, 2021, 04:10:06 PM
With all due respect, we lost focus.  That can happen of course but I couldn't even calculate the self-inflicted errors.  The bottom line is we must bounce back quickly because a storm of difficult challenges await.

I never said we didn't so no sure what respect is due. Just acknowledging that UNI torched the nets today which probably helped their upset bid.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 27, 2021, 04:45:24 PM
Way too much stock put into what other teams we played do. Look around the league Kansas just lost Dayton. Memphis got waxed by ISU.

Go team by team and everyone is gonna have wins that “look worse” because the team they beat slipped somewhere else too.

If teams like Ole Miss, WVU, Illinois stock pile losses. Sure, it hurts our win. But it also gives us 3 teams we can beat out for a bid. Works both ways.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 27, 2021, 04:55:08 PM
Way too much stock put into what other teams we played do. Look around the league Kansas just lost Dayton. Memphis got waxed by ISU.

Go team by team and everyone is gonna have wins that “look worse” because the team they beat slipped somewhere else too.

If teams like Ole Miss, WVU, Illinois stock pile losses. Sure, it hurts our win. But it also gives us 3 teams we can beat out for a bid. Works both ways.

Yup, just take care of business
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on November 27, 2021, 06:59:09 PM
UNI takes out St. Bonny.  This is a team that was 1-3 and lost to Nichol's St.  So, when I and a number of other scoopers said last week, that SBU wasn't a great team, perhaps we should have been taken seriously?  Everyone has a dud game but we lost our composure to an average team.  Hopefully we bounce back tonight and get it in gear for a very challenging Dec.  Remember, St. Bonaventure is St. Bonaventure.

I don't know how good St. Bonaventure is in the big picture. They have some good pieces and they play well together. They were good enough to beat us by 800 points.

We had a "dud" game against them, and they had a "dud" game against UNI. It happens.

Elsewhere ...

I'm actually happy Duke beat Gonzaga. I got tired of the Can The Zags Go Unbeaten? storyline that we heard a bazillion times last season, and I'm glad we won't have to hear it again this season. I seriously doubt Duke goes unbeaten in the ACC, but the Zags certainly could run the WCC again.

Not that any of that really "matters," obviously. It's just basketball.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: CountryRoads on November 28, 2021, 07:36:25 PM
Looks like Patrick Baldwin did not play but UWM dropped a game to Alcorn State (Alcorn states first win) and are now 1-5 on the season.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 28, 2021, 08:09:49 PM
Looks like Patrick Baldwin did not play but UWM dropped a game to Alcorn State (Alcorn states first win) and are now 1-5 on the season.
This will be Baldwin, Sr. last year. He makes Wojo look like a hall of famer.
No offense. Terrible shooters. Rebounding is awful. No heart.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 28, 2021, 08:21:22 PM
This will be Baldwin, Sr. last year. He makes Wojo look like a hall of famer.
No offense. Terrible shooters. Rebounding is awful. No heart.

And UWGB is in for an awful year as well.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 28, 2021, 10:30:49 PM
Looks like Patrick Baldwin did not play but UWM dropped a game to Alcorn State (Alcorn states first win) and are now 1-5 on the season.

I know in the grand scheme of things it doesn’t matter one iota where Patrick Baldwin ended up going.

But man, it’s gotta be such a bummer to play for a god awful team whose gonna lose a ton of games.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on November 29, 2021, 11:18:23 PM
Illinois with a nice takedown of ND.

And the Zags had to work to beat a school that 98% (at least) of America never heard of.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 30, 2021, 12:13:44 AM
Illinois with a nice takedown of ND.

And the Zags had to work to beat a school that 98% (at least) of America never heard of.

Muggsy's grandson plays for that team. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on November 30, 2021, 07:05:46 AM
Muggsy's grandson plays for that team.

Well, congrats. I didn't even know you had a grandson who plays college hoops.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 30, 2021, 09:20:29 AM
Well, congrats. I didn't even know you had a grandson who plays college hoops.

LOL.  The real Muggsy's grandson.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on November 30, 2021, 11:12:16 AM
Muggsy's grandson plays for that team.

Different Bogues family.  His grandson is a HS Jr but a decent prospect.  The dude for Tarlton is 6’4, not very Muggsy  ;D
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on November 30, 2021, 12:33:38 PM
Different Bogues family.  His grandson is a HS Jr but a decent prospect.  The dude for Tarlton is 6’4, not very Muggsy  ;D

We'll forgive Muggs for getting that one wrong. He has trouble seeing over the keyboard!
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 30, 2021, 01:27:55 PM
Different Bogues family.  His grandson is a HS Jr but a decent prospect.  The dude for Tarlton is 6’4, not very Muggsy  ;D

Oh....ty.  WHOOPS!!!!  How good is the real grandson?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: martyconlonontherun on November 30, 2021, 04:10:28 PM
This will be Baldwin, Sr. last year. He makes Wojo look like a hall of famer.
No offense. Terrible shooters. Rebounding is awful. No heart.
Bought season tickets thinking they would easily be the best in the conference once Baldwin committed. Him plus a grad transfer who wanted easy minutes on a surefire NCAA team, right? I was dead wrong. My god are they bad both from a talent perspective and discipline. Went to the Eastern Kentucky game and they must have had 30 turnovers since they had no idea how to break a press. You have a 6'9" wing that can handle the ball/pass and you cant break a press at the college level?

Something is fishy over there. A senior got suspended and PBJ hasn't played since. Could easily see a situation where he quits mid season to focus on the draft and Sr. gets canned.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: tower912 on November 30, 2021, 06:07:44 PM
IU-Syracuse.... Cuse came out in a 1-3-1 for the first 4 possessions.   Back to a 2-3 now.


Going back and forth randomly.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 30, 2021, 06:28:03 PM
Bought season tickets thinking they would easily be the best in the conference once Baldwin committed. Him plus a grad transfer who wanted easy minutes on a surefire NCAA team, right? I was dead wrong. My god are they bad both from a talent perspective and discipline. Went to the Eastern Kentucky game and they must have had 30 turnovers since they had no idea how to break a press. You have a 6'9" wing that can handle the ball/pass and you cant break a press at the college level?

Something is fishy over there. A senior got suspended and PBJ hasn't played since. Could easily see a situation where he quits mid season to focus on the draft and Sr. gets canned.
PBJ hurt his ankle. Has missed the last 2.5 games. Should play on Thursday. Don't know how long Josh Thomas is suspended for.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: tower912 on November 30, 2021, 06:36:03 PM
May be a 1-1-3 with the wings pulled up high.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: BM1090 on November 30, 2021, 06:42:35 PM
PBJ hurt his ankle. Has missed the last 2.5 games. Should play on Thursday. Don't know how long Josh Thomas is suspended for.

They should be a top 4 horizon team as long as they get everyone back. Decent shot at the NCAAT
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 30, 2021, 07:33:50 PM
As I said well before the Nova game, Purdue is no joke.  It's early but I think they're the favorites.  I don't see another team with their overall inside/outside arsenal.  We all hope the B14 streak in the tournament continues but Purdue is a significant threat and concern.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Herman Cain on November 30, 2021, 07:58:34 PM
Bought season tickets thinking they would easily be the best in the conference once Baldwin committed. Him plus a grad transfer who wanted easy minutes on a surefire NCAA team, right? I was dead wrong. My god are they bad both from a talent perspective and discipline. Went to the Eastern Kentucky game and they must have had 30 turnovers since they had no idea how to break a press. You have a 6'9" wing that can handle the ball/pass and you cant break a press at the college level?

Something is fishy over there. A senior got suspended and PBJ hasn't played since. Could easily see a situation where he quits mid season to focus on the draft and Sr. gets canned.
Big game on January 20 when Oakland and Jamal Cain comes to town to face PB jr
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: tower912 on November 30, 2021, 08:07:14 PM
Syracuse fouled up 3.   OT.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on November 30, 2021, 08:58:01 PM
Big game on January 20 when Oakland and Jamal Cain comes to town to face PB jr

Oakland probably kills them.  They are a solid club and UWM most definitely is not.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 30, 2021, 09:53:02 PM
Nm
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 30, 2021, 10:40:18 PM
Ohip St. 7-18 from the FT line vs Duke.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on November 30, 2021, 10:45:20 PM
Wow.  Wasn't Duke up big in the 2nd half? How bad is the ACC?  6th best league?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on November 30, 2021, 11:48:44 PM
Syracuse fouled up 3.   OT.

Yep. Indiana player made the first FT, missed the second intentionally, another Indiana player got the rebound and was fouled, and then he hit the 2 FTs to send the game into OT.

It doesn't happen very often. Even though it did happen, I wouldn't call Boeheim's strategy "wrong," just as I wouldn't have said he was wrong if he had chosen not to foul up 3. Indiana went into the game shooting 37% from 3 and they shot 40% tonight, so fouling probably was the "right" strategy.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: tower912 on December 01, 2021, 06:22:37 AM
It is a damned if you do, damned if you don't issue.   If whatever you choose works, it was right.   If it doesn't, you were wrong.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on December 01, 2021, 07:04:23 AM
It is a damned if you do, damned if you don't issue.   If whatever you choose works, it was right.   If it doesn't, you were wrong.

Of course. Like most coaching decisions in every sport.

Somehow, despite statistics that don't necessarily back it up (and don't necessarily tear it down either), "foul up 3" has become what many believe is a no-brainer strategy.

For most college coaches, I believe it's become one of those things where "If I do it and it doesn't work, I can at least say I was doing what the TV talking heads and armchair coaches said I was 'supposed to do.' But if I don't do it and they tie it with a 3, then I'll get ripped on social media."

FWIW, most NBA coaches do not foul up 3 even though their league is filled with deadly 3-point shooters.

I know it sometimes sounds like I'm advocating not fouling, but that's not the case. I'm advocating assessing each situation on its own merits. I can see why Boeheim did it: Indiana is a decent 3-point shooting team and they had hit 40% in that game. If I were playing against Marquette, especially when we're having one of our horrid nights from 3, I'd probably not foul. Another factor for me would be if the opponent is a good rebounding team that has been killing us on the boards all night.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Lennys Tap on December 01, 2021, 11:20:58 AM
Another factor for me would be if the opponent is a good rebounding team that has been killing us on the boards all night.

Agree. We have given up several put backs of missed FTs already this year. If I’m Shaka, I never foul up 3.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on December 01, 2021, 03:45:22 PM
Agree. We have given up several put backs of missed FTs already this year. If I’m Shaka, I never foul up 3.

Good point. Hopefully we'll improve in that department so Shaka has all the options available at his disposal. Right now, Oso is only guy on the team who consistently finds a man and boxes him out.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 01, 2021, 07:38:33 PM
Halftime
Washington State 18 Arizona State 10.  :o
ASU 4-24 shooting. 0-6 from the foul line.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on December 01, 2021, 07:47:19 PM
Halftime
Washington State 18 Arizona State 10.  :o
ASU 4-24 shooting. 0-6 from the foul line.

Wow!!  Hurley's days may be numbered.  What the list of successful Duke tree coaches?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 01, 2021, 08:25:17 PM
ASU ends up scoring 29 points at home.

For the game.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 01, 2021, 08:53:30 PM
Houston is still +210 to win the AAC, which is unbelievable at this point.

I have zero faith in Penny putting it together with that Memphis team.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on December 01, 2021, 09:00:05 PM
ASU ends up scoring 29 points at home.

For the game.

Hope you had the under.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: tower912 on December 01, 2021, 09:11:30 PM
They could use a proven scorer like Joey.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on December 01, 2021, 10:29:59 PM
UVU is about to beat BYU.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 01, 2021, 10:33:25 PM
UVU is about to beat BYU.

Rushed the court for beating number 12 lol
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on December 01, 2021, 10:35:19 PM
Rushed the court for beating number 12 lol

LOL.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on December 01, 2021, 10:42:46 PM
Rushed the court for beating number 12 lol

They’ve only been a D1 program for about 15 years.  Were a JUCO before that. Never made an NCAA, and they just beat the preeminent school in the state, who was nearly top 10, who is coached by their old head coach.   I think it’s totally merited
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 01, 2021, 10:50:58 PM
They’ve only been a D1 program for about 15 years.  Were a JUCO before that. Never made an NCAA, and they just beat the preeminent school in the state, who was nearly top 10, who is coached by their old head coach.   I think it’s totally merited

Agreed. Let the kids have fun.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on December 01, 2021, 10:52:50 PM
They could use a proven scorer like Joey.

He might be available.

Tomorrow.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on December 01, 2021, 10:59:32 PM
He might be available.

Tomorrow.

I feel bad for him.  Do they sell quill pens on Amazon?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on December 02, 2021, 08:02:08 AM
UVU is about to beat BYU.

It is a university in the state of Utah, so does UVU have a legendary BB coach also?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 02, 2021, 09:07:05 AM
It is a university in the state of Utah, so does UVU have a legendary BB coach also?

I don't if this qualifies for legendary but he does have two NBA championship rings
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 02, 2021, 11:25:22 AM
 It's Utah Valley beating BYU. They should rush the floor!

https://www.deseret.com/2021/12/1/22808058/how-uvu-wolverines-shocked-no-12-byu-cougars-college-mens-basketball-ncaa
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on December 02, 2021, 11:59:52 AM
I don't if this qualifies for legendary but he does have two NBA championship rings

Stu Morril would be proud!
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: cheebs09 on December 02, 2021, 12:27:18 PM
I don't if this qualifies for legendary but he does have two NBA championship rings

His dancing is legendary.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: wadesworld on December 03, 2021, 12:36:15 PM
Turgeon out.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on December 03, 2021, 12:37:30 PM
Turgeon out.

Needed to happen but the timing is REALLY strange.

Watch Danny Manning have a decent year with the Terps as interim and trick someone else into giving him a good HC gig.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on December 03, 2021, 12:39:10 PM
Wojo to Maryland!
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 03, 2021, 12:42:05 PM
Needed to happen but the timing is REALLY strange.

Watch Danny Manning have a decent year with the Terps as interim and trick someone else into giving him a good HC gig.

Why do you think it needed to happen? He's been pretty damn successful there. NCAA success lacking admittedly but he's shown to get them there constantly.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 03, 2021, 12:44:54 PM
Why do you think it needed to happen? He's been pretty damn successful there. NCAA success lacking admittedly but he's shown to get them there constantly.


Fans completely turned on him.  He's being booed at home games and fans are chanting that they want him fired.  I wouldn't doubt that he had enough at this point.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 03, 2021, 12:47:08 PM
Why do you think it needed to happen? He's been pretty damn successful there. NCAA success lacking admittedly but he's shown to get them there constantly.

Maryland needs to admit their mistake and move back to the ACC.

Of course, that’s a non-starter because of the money.  Their fate was sealed the minute they made their deal with the devil.  It has no natural rival in the Big 14 and has no cache nationally.  You know when it did?  When it was a foil to the blue bloods on Tobacco Road.  Maryland-Duke, Maryland-UNC was must see TV.  Now?  Maryland-Sparty?  Maryland-Purdue?  Who cares?

Apathy is a dangerous thing for a college basketball program as the Marquette administration found out.  Stuck in a league where no one wants you isn’t much better.  Maryland better hire itself someone along the lines of Nate Oats to energize that program.  Will they?  We’ll see
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on December 03, 2021, 12:54:17 PM
Why do you think it needed to happen? He's been pretty damn successful there. NCAA success lacking admittedly but he's shown to get them there constantly.

He was decent but not great.  No real NCAA success.  Only 1 finish over 5th in the B10 over the last 4 seasons and it wasn't looking like it was happening this year.  Recruiting has been ehh too since that 2018 class.

He wasn't awful but he was just decent.  Which isn't good enough for a historically very good program in a super rich recruiting area.  The fans turning on him didn't help either.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 03, 2021, 01:10:23 PM
Maryland needs to admit their mistake and move back to the ACC.

Of course, that’s a non-starter because of the money.  Their fate was sealed the minute they made their deal with the devil.  It has no natural rival in the Big 14 and has no cache nationally.  You know when it did?  When it was a foil to the blue bloods on Tobacco Road.  Maryland-Duke, Maryland-UNC was must see TV.  Now?  Maryland-Sparty?  Maryland-Purdue?  Who cares?

Apathy is a dangerous thing for a college basketball program as the Marquette administration found out.  Stuck in a league where no one wants you isn’t much better.  Maryland better hire itself someone along the lines of Nate Oats to energize that program.  Will they?  We’ll see


While I think you are essentially right that Maryland is an outlier in the B10, I think you are exaggerating it a bit.  In 2020 they were a B10 regular season champion and a top 10-15 team most of the year.  And outside of the back to back Final Fours under Gary Williams, they have been a very good, but not great program.  Sweet 16s were their usual ceiling.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Pakuni on December 03, 2021, 01:20:59 PM


Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
Turgeon was not fired. This was far more his decision to part ways now, source told @Stadium.

Mark Titus @clubtrillion
Going to go ahead and guess that the source is Turgeon/Turgeon's agent
Btw hilarious attempt at narrative control to say "He wasn't fired for being a bad coach! What actually happened was that he just chose to quit on his team 8 games into the season"
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 03, 2021, 01:32:00 PM

While I think you are essentially right that Maryland is an outlier in the B10, I think you are exaggerating it a bit.  In 2020 they were a B10 regular season champion and a top 10-15 team most of the year.  And outside of the back to back Final Fours under Gary Williams, they have been a very good, but not great program.  Sweet 16s were their usual ceiling.

I’m not saying they’re a “blue blood” but I don’t think Maryland basketball is anything other than just another basketball progr at the moment because of the league they reside in currently.  They became something other than that in the ACC and I don’t see that happening in the Big 14.  The fanbase thinks they’re something they’re not and expectations are out of whack.  Winning a share of a Big Ten regular season title isn’t what they think their ceiling is and I think it is as long as they’re in that league.  The ACC elevated them.  The Big 14 fattened the pocketbook
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 03, 2021, 02:18:46 PM
Interesting note on Turgeon

https://twitter.com/allifkarim/status/1466859121408421890?s=21
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Pakuni on December 03, 2021, 02:23:12 PM
Interesting note on Turgeon

https://twitter.com/allifkarim/status/1466859121408421890?s=21

We made the right call on that one.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on December 03, 2021, 08:29:23 PM
Has Fran McCaffery ever smiled?  I dunno why but the guy amuses me.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on December 03, 2021, 10:16:29 PM
Really impressive comeback for Iowa.  I'm not sure they'll pull it out but to be down 19 and be within 2, without their best player, is a great effort.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on December 04, 2021, 08:24:06 AM

Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
Turgeon was not fired. This was far more his decision to part ways now, source told @Stadium.

Mark Titus @clubtrillion
Going to go ahead and guess that the source is Turgeon/Turgeon's agent
Btw hilarious attempt at narrative control to say "He wasn't fired for being a bad coach! What actually happened was that he just chose to quit on his team 8 games into the season"

Who does he think he is, Bo Ryan?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on December 04, 2021, 01:37:36 PM
Ole Miss beat Memphis.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 04, 2021, 02:47:30 PM
Ole Miss beat Memphis.

Memphis isn’t good. I don’t trust Penny to figure it out either.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 04, 2021, 07:32:10 PM
Alabama leading Gonzaga in Seattle on ESPN2.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on December 04, 2021, 07:58:34 PM
Wow.  How in the world did Iona beat Bama?  They have athletes all over the place.  Shackleford is on fire.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 04, 2021, 08:00:07 PM
Wow.  How in the world did Iona beat Bama?  They have athletes all over the place.  Shackleford is on fire.

Rick Pitino.  8-)
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on December 04, 2021, 08:09:59 PM
Rick Pitino.  8-)

Well clearly Oats and Musselman are getting athletes.  We need to find a way to get more speed, quickness, strength, etc, and a few knock down shooters.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on December 04, 2021, 08:57:02 PM
Bama is gagging this game away
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on December 04, 2021, 09:08:13 PM
Pretty good day for Tuscaloosa.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: wadesworld on December 04, 2021, 09:17:28 PM
Gonzaga should not be a one seed. But they’ll roll through the conference season and rack up wins so they will be. They’re nowhere close to what they were last year.

I also wouldn’t want my team touching Chet Holmgren if I had a top 3 pick. People try to compare him to Kevin Durant. Durant was so much more polished. He could’ve averaged 15 a game in the NBA as a high school senior. Chet needs about 3 years of weight room work.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: wadesworld on December 04, 2021, 09:18:56 PM
Pretty good day for Tuscaloosa.

99% of their population and student body don’t even know their basketball team played today.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 04, 2021, 09:31:04 PM
Gonzaga should not be a one seed. But they’ll roll through the conference season and rack up wins so they will be. They’re nowhere close to what they were last year.

I also wouldn’t want my team touching Chet Holmgren if I had a top 3 pick. People try to compare him to Kevin Durant. Durant was so much more polished. He could’ve averaged 15 a game in the NBA as a high school senior. Chet needs about 3 years of weight room work.

Chet looks like he's a hard gust of wind away from breaking something.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on December 04, 2021, 09:38:35 PM
I haven't seen all of the NBA lottery prospects but if some are comparing Holmgren to Durant they have severe problems.  The three best college players I have watched are Banchero, Ivey, and Keegan Murray.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 04, 2021, 10:23:27 PM
Pretty good day for Tuscaloosa.

Not a good day also to be a Bulldog.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on December 04, 2021, 10:25:58 PM
I haven't seen all of the NBA lottery prospects but if some are comparing Holmgren to Durant they have severe problems.  The three best college players I have watched are Banchero, Ivey, and Keegan Murray.

Banchero is so complete.  He’s a ready made product.

I think the difference between Durant and Holmgren is Durant always looked fluid and proportional.  Holmgren’s body just looks kind of awkward and a bit disproportioned.  He’s still super young and may grow into it, but Durant never gave that vibe, even at Texas.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on December 04, 2021, 10:37:16 PM
Banchero is so complete.  He’s a ready made product.

I think the difference between Durant and Holmgren is Durant always looked fluid and proportional.  Holmgren’s body just looks kind of awkward and a bit disproportioned.  He’s still super young and may grow into it, but Durant never gave that vibe, even at Texas.

JWags I'm often wrong about projecting college players, but I will say that I watched Durant for about 10 mins at Texas and said he would be an immediate all-star and superstar.  You just don't see guys that large with his array of talents.  He was s complete offensive player with ridiculous handles, range, quickness, and pure shooting ability. His scoring has been effortless probably since he was in jr. high.  Holmgren may eventually turn out to be a great NBA player but I think he's at least 2 yrs away.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on December 06, 2021, 07:32:22 PM
Illinois up 13 on Iowa in Iowa City.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 06, 2021, 07:36:54 PM
Texas Southern became the first Southwestern Athletic Conference team to beat a ranked SEC program (Florida) in the Associated Press poll era dating to 1936,
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 06, 2021, 07:39:25 PM
0-7 Texas Southern goes into Gainsville and beats #20 Florida by 15.  College basketball...

Purdue is ranked #1 for the first time in program history.  Good for the Boilers! West Lafayette is easily one of the worst college locations I've ever been to. That Painter (and Keady) can recruit such high level talent there is amazing.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on December 06, 2021, 07:41:19 PM
Texas Southern became the first Southwestern Athletic Conference team to beat a ranked SEC program (Florida) in the Associated Press poll era dating to 1936,

Wow!  Sweet!!
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: brewcity77 on December 06, 2021, 10:03:57 PM
Well clearly Oats and Musselman are getting athletes.  We need to find a way to get more speed, quickness, strength, etc, and a few knock down shooters.

Offensively, what we're doing largely mirrors Alabama. High tempo, shots at the rim or the arc, the main difference is our results are ahead of where Oats was at this point of year one.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 06, 2021, 10:14:35 PM
the main difference is our results are ahead of where Oats was at this point of year one.

Please show your math.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 06, 2021, 10:29:09 PM
Please show your math.

At the end of December 6, 2020 (Oats first year in Alabama), the Crimson Tide was 4-4 with wins against #191 FAU (Home), #81 Furman (Home), #279 Southern Miss (Neutral), and #100 Stephen F Austin (Home) and losses against #141 Penn (Home), #65 Rhode Island (Away), #84 North Carolina (Neutral), and #89 Iowa State (Neutral). Bama was also ranked somewhere between 82nd and 85th after being ranked preseason as 70th (all ranks KenPom).

Bama also played at a breakneck tempo (#4 in adjusted tempo) though their defensive style was much different than Shaka's (in a bad way). Their offense was also better than Shaka's but Brew is correct that they were similarly focused on that side of the ball.

This of course doesn't mean that Shaka is going to surpass Oats at Bama but does reinforce that this is a process. And the vast majority of coaches don't get it done in year 1.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Lennys Tap on December 06, 2021, 10:54:46 PM
0-7 Texas Southern goes into Gainsville and beats #20 Florida by 15.  College basketball...

Purdue is ranked #1 for the first time in program history.  Good for the Boilers! West Lafayette is easily one of the worst college locations I've ever been to. That Painter (and Keady) can recruit such high level talent there is amazing.

Stayed in Cary Men’s Hall for 6 days in late August one summer (1965) during the Colt League regionals. Dorm was awful, so was the campus - though I assume things are much better now.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: brewcity77 on December 07, 2021, 05:20:42 AM
Please show your math.

TAMU basically covered it. I would add that Oats was 4-5 through 9 games at Alabama and that how I think Smith wants to teach offense is similar in that it's more teaching how to play and the kind of shots to work for rather than a bunch of set plays.

Because of that, and because this type of defense is as much about teaching constant effort and activity, I think it makes getting results with such a young group really difficult. This isn't a system design where you'll just throw the most talented guy out there and say "get it done" because it's not common for guys to pick up those disciplines in high school.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on December 07, 2021, 06:25:28 AM
TAMU basically covered it. I would add that Oats was 4-5 through 9 games at Alabama and that how I think Smith wants to teach offense is similar in that it's more teaching how to play and the kind of shots to work for rather than a bunch of set plays.

Because of that, and because this type of defense is as much about teaching constant effort and activity, I think it makes getting results with such a young group really difficult. This isn't a system design where you'll just throw the most talented guy out there and say "get it done" because it's not common for guys to pick up those disciplines in high school.

Looking forward to our Quinerly on the graduate transfer market as I don’t see that talent sitting out on our bench currently for Year 2 or from signed recruits. Do agree about the need for a longer term view, though, and that .500 is a reasonable upward expectation for this team as I have said in the past.

That said, this offense isn’t clicking at all yet and is worthy of our Scoop microscopes. A few good halves in Charleston to give us a glimpse of hope. No half court game in evidence which will be needed in the round robin, especially with this current tempo and shoot first mentality. There is no denying that. Haslam has MU’s offense at #152 on this year’s possession numbers. Ugh. Much more sawtoothed than I expected this early, with our defense winning us a few games.

December will be as brutal as it started and is Pomeroy expected. I am hoping we steal a few of these games. However, the real judge for next season is the progression of this offense in January and February, in particular the cohesiveness. It may be more of a qualitative judgment, but it will be ugly at times as we get there as it was for Oats. I see Shaka trying to get us there sooner rather than later with the freshmen minutes, so that’s a plus so far.

It will be a slow burn year, though. Some eye test Scoopers are very optimistic: Elite 8, magical shooting touches to be found, top three in conference. I appreciate the fandom, but the Bama path is much more likely as is our tortured artist critiques of this offense. Great comp for us to track with going forward.

https://haslametrics.com/ratings2.php?yr=&tid=561
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 07, 2021, 10:41:32 AM
TAMU basically covered it. I would add that Oats was 4-5 through 9 games at Alabama and that how I think Smith wants to teach offense is similar in that it's more teaching how to play and the kind of shots to work for rather than a bunch of set plays.

I agree it's a good comp, but surprised both you and TAMU are going with Ws and Ls rather than tempo free stats at this point.  MU eking out wins against SIUe and UNH weren't much better stat-wise than losses.  The offensive and Defensive #s at this point in the year are not as good as they were for Bama back in '20, compared to the 350ish of our peers.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 07, 2021, 11:39:28 AM
Stayed in Cary Men’s Hall for 6 days in late August one summer (1965) during the Colt League regionals. Dorm was awful, so was the campus - though I assume things are much better now.

I remember the campus being nice but good God, West Lafayette was awful. We thought we were lost in the middle of soybean fields and then we saw Ross-Ade. Some buddies and I asked a student where we could grab a beer before the football game and she said "there's a Burger King nearby." At least Columbia, MO had a good bar scene.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on December 07, 2021, 12:55:36 PM
I remember the campus being nice but good God, West Lafayette was awful. We thought we were lost in the middle of soybean fields and then we saw Ross-Ade. Some buddies and I asked a student where we could grab a beer before the football game and she said "there's a Burger King nearby." At least Columbia, MO had a good bar scene.

Yea it still stinks.  I knew a bunch of Purdue alums in my early 20s and went down for OSU-Purdue one year and was shocked how unappealing it was.  The campus is alright, its not heinous, but its nothing remotely impressive or memorable.  And West Lafayette is brutal.  Which is funny cause Lafayette/West Lafayette in that Wabash River valley are the lone non-bleak spot between Indianapolis and Chicago.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 07, 2021, 02:22:54 PM
I agree it's a good comp, but surprised both you and TAMU are going with Ws and Ls rather than tempo free stats at this point.  MU eking out wins against SIUe and UNH weren't much better stat-wise than losses.  The offensive and Defensive #s at this point in the year are not as good as they were for Bama back in '20, compared to the 350ish of our peers.

I didn't go with tempo-free stats. I mentioned that our KenPom ranking is currently higher than what Bama's was at the same time despite Bama being ranked higher pre-season than we were. And our defensive numbers are better than Bama's was, their offensive numbers were better.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 07, 2021, 02:37:07 PM
I mentioned that our KenPom ranking is currently higher than what Bama's was at the same time despite Bama being ranked higher pre-season than we were. And our defensive numbers are better than Bama's was, their offensive numbers were better.

Fair enough, and generally agreed, except Torvic had '20 Bama at 69 after 9, and has MU as 98 after 9, so flipped.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on December 07, 2021, 05:29:18 PM
I'll only be worried/upset if second-year Marquette Shaka has anywhere near the record that second-year Texas Shaka had!
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on December 07, 2021, 08:38:28 PM
Arkansas is so damn fun to watch
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on December 07, 2021, 08:57:07 PM
James Madison just punked Virginia.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on December 07, 2021, 10:36:04 PM
James Madison just punked Virginia.

UVA scored 14 in the first half against a mid major.  They punked themselves.

He's a fantastic coach but I'm baffled how Tony Bennett gets any top tier talent that wants to play that system.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 08, 2021, 11:06:22 AM
James Madison just punked Virginia.

I saw the end of the game on CBSSN. New building at JMU. Can't play for the auto-bid per CAA rules since they are leaving the league. Shame, since they might be good.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 08, 2021, 11:44:27 AM
UVA scored 14 in the first half against a mid major.  They punked themselves.

He's a fantastic coach but I'm baffled how Tony Bennett gets any top tier talent that wants to play that system.

The Athletic had an article about that and whether Tony can keep up. It's going to be very difficult for him to keep up with the top of the ACC, IMO.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: wadesworld on December 08, 2021, 12:12:11 PM
The Athletic had an article about that and whether Tony can keep up. It's going to be very difficult for him to keep up with the top of the ACC, IMO.

He’ll be fine.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on December 08, 2021, 12:55:39 PM
He’ll be fine.

Define “fine”.  Will they be a consistent winning team in the top half of the ACC? Probably.

Will they be a perennial top 10 team competing with Duke/UNC/etc? That I’m not sure on. He’ll need more lottery picks
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 08, 2021, 01:27:25 PM
Define “fine”.  Will they be a consistent winning team in the top half of the ACC? Probably.

Will they be a perennial top 10 team competing with Duke/UNC/etc? That I’m not sure on. He’ll need more lottery picks


He will regularly, but not always, have a top 10 team and compete for ACC titles.  He's only 52 and will be a lifer at UVa if he wants to be.  His system isn't dependent on lottery picks. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: wadesworld on December 08, 2021, 01:27:56 PM
Define “fine”.  Will they be a consistent winning team in the top half of the ACC? Probably.

Will they be a perennial top 10 team competing with Duke/UNC/etc? That I’m not sure on. He’ll need more lottery picks

From what I can remember, he's had 2 lottery picks in his career.  One was while he was at Washington State.

He's won 4 of the last 7 ACC titles.  Bennett didn't somehow lose his ability to coach.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: brewcity77 on December 08, 2021, 02:28:48 PM
Before the game, Bennett reportedly said that when he was a player at UW-Green Bay that Marquette and Wisconsin wouldn’t come play them and he thinks it’s important to travel to teams in your state.

What a crock. He never played an in-state non-con road game when he was at Washington State aside from Gonzaga. He hadn't played a non-con road game in-state since 2017 and had only played 4 such games prior, two against VCU which is basically a home-and-home situation. So essentially, he's setting himself up as a paragon of road game virtue because he played at George Mason in 2012 and at James Madison in 2014?

To top that off, he said that he learned this practice from his Dad, who scheduled these types of games when he was at Wisconsin. Uhh...he did? Dick Bennett played at Milwaukee once when he was UW-M's coach (after 4 years at the helm) and NEVER coached UW-M at the school he came from, Green Bay, because he left the program 3 games into the 2000-01 season before they played UWGB.

I've always liked Bennett, but to act like you're some hero of the low-major because of 3 road games you've played in a 16-year career is beyond laughable.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on December 08, 2021, 04:24:37 PM

He will regularly, but not always, have a top 10 team and compete for ACC titles.  He's only 52 and will be a lifer at UVa if he wants to be.  His system isn't dependent on lottery picks.

They haven't been a top 10 team since they won the title.

From what I can remember, he's had 2 lottery picks in his career.  One was while he was at Washington State.

He's won 4 of the last 7 ACC titles.  Bennett didn't somehow lose his ability to coach.

I misspoke with lottery picks, I mistakenly thought Ty Jerome was picked around 15.  But every one of his good teams has had multiple NBA draft picks.  Harris, Brogdon, and Justin Anderson.  Then Hunter, Guy, Diakite, and Jerome.  And none of those guys were diamonds in the rough, except for maybe Hunter.

He's a fantastic coach, but without some exceptional players his teams struggle to score.  I disagree that his system doesn't need NBA talent to succeed.  It may not need one and done's but it needs significant talent otherwise its just a slog
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: tower912 on December 08, 2021, 04:34:29 PM
All systems look better with NBA talent.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 09, 2021, 07:16:18 PM
Possible RAC Attack in progress
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 09, 2021, 08:16:58 PM
Can Rutgers hold on?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 09, 2021, 08:19:54 PM
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh my! Half court to beat #1.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 09, 2021, 08:21:02 PM
What a shot!
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 09, 2021, 08:21:09 PM
Of course Rutgers wins.

I still have some nightmarish memories of games at the RAC.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 09, 2021, 08:26:08 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/BigTenNetwork/status/1469130356339077123
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on December 09, 2021, 08:39:28 PM
What a shot!

Incredible!
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: tower912 on December 09, 2021, 08:40:49 PM
A worthy floor storming.

Every conference road game is tough.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on December 09, 2021, 09:25:45 PM
Iowa St. Is pummelling Iowa. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 09, 2021, 11:14:31 PM
A worthy floor storming.

Every conference road game is tough.

That might be the most worthy court storming ever
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 09, 2021, 11:19:23 PM
Iowa St. Is pummelling Iowa.

Before he went to UNLV, I like TJO as a candidate to replace Wojo.

Then he went to UNLV and really underperformed and he wasn't on my radar when Wojo got canned.

There must be something about Ames!
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on December 09, 2021, 11:26:06 PM
Before he went to UNLV, I like TJO as a candidate to replace Wojo.

Then he went to UNLV and really underperformed and he wasn't on my radar when Wojo got canned.

There must be something about Ames!

I know it's early but did anyone have Iowa St. doing anything this season?  That Racine Frosh is impressive.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on December 10, 2021, 12:17:00 AM
Having just watched the replay of the Rutgers win that is one of the greatest buzzer beaters of all-time.  Even if it wasn't in the tournament. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on December 10, 2021, 08:26:04 AM
Having just watched the replay of the Rutgers win that is one of the greatest buzzer beaters of all-time.  Even if it wasn't in the tournament.

Ron Harper's son. Probably traveled before the shot, but that's OK, it was amazing. Loved the celebration, too.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 10, 2021, 09:24:09 AM
Ron Harper's son. Probably traveled before the shot, but that's OK, it was amazing. Loved the celebration, too.

Clock started late, too
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: tower912 on December 10, 2021, 09:28:06 AM
Home cooking.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 10, 2021, 09:48:39 AM
Clock started late, too

I watch the replay again on the FOX Sports App, it did not.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: tower912 on December 10, 2021, 09:56:42 AM
Harper caught the ball with 3.4 seconds left.  The clock went to 3.3 as his first dribble hit the ground.   If there was a delay, it was miniscule.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on December 10, 2021, 09:57:58 AM
No delay, no travel.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 10, 2021, 10:00:49 AM
Harper caught the ball with 3.4 seconds left.  The clock went to 3.3 as his first dribble hit the ground.   If there was a delay, it was miniscule.
Yep, the scorekeeper has to hit the start button not until Harper touches the ball.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 10, 2021, 10:04:53 AM
Ron Harper's son. Probably traveled before the shot, but that's OK, it was amazing. Loved the celebration, too.


He didn't travel.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on December 10, 2021, 11:57:25 AM
He might not have traveled. I only saw it once, and my second thought was, "That kinda looked like he traveled." Can you do a Euro step 50 feet away from the hoop? Maybe. If so, he didn't travel.

My first thought was, "Wow! Amazing!"

I didn't notice any clock issue.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: CountryRoads on December 10, 2021, 12:16:01 PM
I didn't notice any clock issue.

A lot of people were complaining about the clock starting late. The clock started a fraction of a second late, but it was negligible and in line with when the clock starts on the thousands of other inbounds plays during the college season.

As long as a human is still responsible for starting the clock, there will always be some small delay. Throw in the fact that guys like Chris Paul will fake like they are grabbing the ball and then complain that the clock starts. 

It was a great shot and great moment in college basketball this season.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: forgetful on December 10, 2021, 02:22:59 PM
He might not have traveled. I only saw it once, and my second thought was, "That kinda looked like he traveled." Can you do a Euro step 50 feet away from the hoop? Maybe. If so, he didn't travel.

My first thought was, "Wow! Amazing!"

I didn't notice any clock issue.

Watching the video, I don't see a travel. Just weird seeing that move 50 feet from the basket.

But talk about an emotional roller coaster. The Purdue guy had to be thinking he just made a game winner...then bang...lost.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 10, 2021, 02:29:46 PM
Watching the video, I don't see a travel. Just weird seeing that move 50 feet from the basket.

But talk about an emotional roller coaster. The Purdue guy had to be thinking he just made a game winner...then bang...lost.

Purdue choked and one wonders if Matt Painter will ever win a close game
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: lawdog77 on December 10, 2021, 03:08:21 PM
and one wonders if Matt Painter will ever win a close game
Quite the hyperbole. How can you forget the game against the Fighting Izzo's last year:

:19      Aaron Henry made Free Throw.   50 - 54   
0:19      Aaron Henry missed Free Throw.   50 - 54   
0:19      Trevion Williams Defensive Rebound.   50 - 54   
0:11      Foul on Rocket Watts.   50 - 54   
0:11      Eric Hunter Jr. made Free Throw.   51 - 54   
0:11      Eric Hunter Jr. made Free Throw.   52 - 54   
0:11      Rocket Watts Turnover.   52 - 54   
0:11      Eric Hunter Jr. Steal.   52 - 54   
0:09      Foul on Aaron Henry.   52 - 54   
0:09      Trevion Williams made Free Throw.   53 - 54   
0:09      Michigan State Timeout   53 - 54   
0:09      Trevion Williams missed Free Throw.   53 - 54   
0:09      Mason Gillis Offensive Rebound.   53 - 54   
0:06      Jump Ball won by Purdue   53 - 54   
0:06      Purdue Timeout   53 - 54   
0:04      Trevion Williams made Jumper. Assisted by Eric Hunter Jr..   55 - 54   
0:02      Aaron Henry missed Jumper.   55 - 54   
0:02      Purdue Defensive Rebound.   55 - 54   
0:00      End of Game   55 - 54   
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 10, 2021, 03:14:43 PM
Quite the hyperbole. How can you forget the game against the Fighting Izzo's last year:

:19      Aaron Henry made Free Throw.   50 - 54   
0:19      Aaron Henry missed Free Throw.   50 - 54   
0:19      Trevion Williams Defensive Rebound.   50 - 54   
0:11      Foul on Rocket Watts.   50 - 54   
0:11      Eric Hunter Jr. made Free Throw.   51 - 54   
0:11      Eric Hunter Jr. made Free Throw.   52 - 54   
0:11      Rocket Watts Turnover.   52 - 54   
0:11      Eric Hunter Jr. Steal.   52 - 54   
0:09      Foul on Aaron Henry.   52 - 54   
0:09      Trevion Williams made Free Throw.   53 - 54   
0:09      Michigan State Timeout   53 - 54   
0:09      Trevion Williams missed Free Throw.   53 - 54   
0:09      Mason Gillis Offensive Rebound.   53 - 54   
0:06      Jump Ball won by Purdue   53 - 54   
0:06      Purdue Timeout   53 - 54   
0:04      Trevion Williams made Jumper. Assisted by Eric Hunter Jr..   55 - 54   
0:02      Aaron Henry missed Jumper.   55 - 54   
0:02      Purdue Defensive Rebound.   55 - 54   
0:00      End of Game   55 - 54

That doesn’t count.  The Spartans had Joey Hauser
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: lawdog77 on December 10, 2021, 03:18:36 PM
That doesn’t count.  The Spartans had Joey Hauser
  ;D
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 10, 2021, 03:23:35 PM
Duke got its 4th 5* today to commit to play for Jon Scheyer next year.  They have 4 of the top 11 prospects in next year’s class and 5 of the top 55
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on December 10, 2021, 03:27:20 PM
Duke got its 4th 5* today to commit to play for Jon Scheyer next year.  They have 4 of the top 11 prospects in next year’s class and 5 of the top 55

Obviously, we still don't know what kind of game coach Scheyer will be.

Obviously, those who thought that recruiting would suffer because kids would want to play only for K and not for Duke were wrong.

If Scheyer can coach, he will have walked into the greatest situation in the history of first-year coaches. If he can't coach, the job will chew him up and spit him out. We'll get to see soon enough.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 10, 2021, 03:31:07 PM
Obviously, we still don't know what kind of game coach Scheyer will be.

Obviously, those who thought that recruiting would suffer because kids would want to play only for K and not for Duke were wrong.

If Scheyer can coach, he will have walked into the greatest situation in the history of first-year coaches. If he can't coach, the job will chew him up and spit him out. We'll get to see soon enough.

Starting with that much talent helps, however, Penny has had plenty of talent at Memphis.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: lawdog77 on December 10, 2021, 03:34:23 PM
Duke got its 4th 5* today to commit to play for Jon Scheyer next year.  They have 4 of the top 11 prospects in next year’s class and 5 of the top 55
I would really like to know how much the Duke kids are getting from NIL's, versus getting paid to play for G league Ignite.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 10, 2021, 03:40:07 PM
I would really like to know how much the Duke kids are getting from NIL's, versus getting paid to play for G league Ignite.

Good question.  I haven’t looked, but I’d imagine a lot of these kids are affiliated with Nike
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: HouWarrior on December 10, 2021, 04:57:48 PM
I am likely redundant to earlier posts on this.

Premise: The NBA tried team uniformity and team deals but eventually gave in on sneakers.... every man for himself...yes?

1- Currently, ...Does a Nike signed NCAA school outfit all BB shoes and keep all the Nike $?

2- Does a kid playing during HS with a  Nike BB summer league team get to sign up his own individual deal and get Nike $ during those summers, or are those summer teams also income hoarders like quest 1 above ?

3- If the same "Nike" kid then recruits into a Nike NCAA school can he get separate Nike money for doing so from Nike .....not connected to any school recruiting inducment (NCAA violation) ...but simply as a continuing NIL brand loyalty thing to this loyal Nike kid?

4- Should some up and comer NCAA school consider letting its current sneaker deal totally expire and then let all the recruits freely sign a NIL deal with whomever, for their shoes , like the NBAers? Seems this would assure every BB recruit some decent NIL income.

5- How long before NCAA kids unionize and I will have to consider these issues in light of their collective bargaining agreement, ie CBA?

6- Mods feel free to shift this post to a more appropriate thread, as I am curious on the answers.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: CountryRoads on December 10, 2021, 09:17:29 PM
Memphis is a steaming pile of garbage.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 10, 2021, 09:40:40 PM
Memphis is a steaming pile of garbage.

Penny can’t coach, at all. They are a bad AAU team playing D1 ball.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 10, 2021, 10:42:36 PM
Arizona had to land in Indy due to the storms in Illinois tonight. For some reason, the buses they tried to get to take them to Champaign were driving from somewhere in Illinois, and were going to take two hours to get to the Indy airport.

Zona ended up taking Uber’s to Champaign.

Not coincidentally, the line moved from UA -1 to UA +1.5 in the last hour.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 11, 2021, 09:45:06 AM
Zona ended up taking Uber’s to Champaign.

Wow, a bunch of happy UberXL drivers!
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on December 11, 2021, 11:37:58 AM
I don't expect Davis to come back to Whisky.  He's  probably a top 10 pick.

Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 11, 2021, 11:55:35 AM
I don't expect Davis to come back to Whisky.  He's  probably a top 10 pick.

I’ve been told he loves school and campus
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on December 11, 2021, 12:14:25 PM
I’ve been told he loves school and campus

But if he's a lottery pick?  It would be highly unusual if he came back.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 11, 2021, 12:30:05 PM
But if he's a lottery pick?  It would be highly unusual if he came back.

Nothing Uncle Rico says is serious Muggsy. It's all performance art.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 11, 2021, 12:44:54 PM
Nothing Uncle Rico says is serious Muggsy. It's all performance art.

How do you know he doesn’t love school and campus!?!?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on December 11, 2021, 12:53:23 PM
A pretty emphatic win for Ohio St.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 11, 2021, 01:03:03 PM
A pretty emphatic win for Ohio St.

Badgers were focused on their agricultural journalism finals
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on December 11, 2021, 02:24:42 PM
Oklahoma is in control over Arkansas.  Pretty surprised on this one.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Lennys Tap on December 11, 2021, 02:36:58 PM
Oklahoma is in control over Arkansas.  Pretty surprised on this one.

Moser can coach
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: cheebs09 on December 11, 2021, 02:40:41 PM
Badgers were focused on their agricultural journalism finals

It was also Ohio State’s Super Bowl.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: BM1090 on December 11, 2021, 04:18:23 PM
Moser can coach

He’s impressed me this year. Didn’t know if he would be able to adapt.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on December 11, 2021, 05:02:02 PM
How do you know he doesn’t love school and campus!?!?

Not in that order, sources say.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on December 11, 2021, 05:25:02 PM
He’s impressed me this year. Didn’t know if he would be able to adapt.

They picked up a lot of talent in the transfer market.  It's a completely different world now in college hoops.  You can rebuild quickly.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on December 11, 2021, 06:08:46 PM
Kerr Kriisa has game and so does the Lithuanian guy on Zona.  I wouldn't mind an MU foothold in the Balkans, former Yugoslavia, and Eastern Europe in general. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: tower912 on December 11, 2021, 06:10:49 PM
Do you think they can play the style that Coach Smart wants?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on December 11, 2021, 06:12:57 PM
Do you think they can play the style that Coach Smart wants?

These two guys on Zona??  Of course. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on December 11, 2021, 06:16:10 PM
Complete meltdown by Illinois down the stretch. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 11, 2021, 06:17:20 PM
ND storms the court after beating #10 Kentucky???
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on December 11, 2021, 06:18:24 PM
ND storms the court after beating #10 Kentucky???

LOL.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 11, 2021, 06:18:54 PM
ND storms the court after beating #10 Kentucky???

Sure, why not. It's Kentucky, I guess.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on December 11, 2021, 06:22:00 PM
Sure, why not. It's Kentucky, I guess.

They're not even close to a top 10 team.  They've literally beaten no one.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 11, 2021, 06:28:36 PM
They've literally beaten no one.

Literally, that's incorrect.  But figuratively, sure.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on December 11, 2021, 06:58:23 PM
Literally, that's incorrect.  But figuratively, sure.

Can one use the word literally, sarcastically?  They've beaten one  top 100 team.  Some of their impressive wins include:  Robert Morris, Mount St. Mary's, and Albany. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 11, 2021, 07:08:55 PM
Can one use the word literally, sarcastically? 

I know the kiddos do it, but it's literally not sarcasm, it's just incorrect.  -signed x-er, geezer apparently.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on December 11, 2021, 07:11:55 PM
I know the kiddos do it, but it's literally not sarcasm, it's just incorrect.  -signed x-er, geezer apparently.

Ha!!  Fair enough.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on December 11, 2021, 07:28:12 PM
Wasn't Michigan preseason top 5?  Whoops.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 11, 2021, 08:06:56 PM
Premature, but WKU looks like a better team than Ole Miss on a neutral court.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 11, 2021, 09:27:58 PM
71-48 WKU over Ole Miss.  Watched the first half without sound, was Mississippi missing anyone? Or is this foreshadowing on Marquette's  night?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: GB Warrior on December 11, 2021, 11:54:40 PM
Wow, hell of a finish in the Bama-Houston game. And preemptively, it was absolutely not goaltend.

If you're going to change a rule for that to be reviewed, they should have a physicist in the Command Center to tell you that there is a precisely 0% chance  that ball is going in.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on December 12, 2021, 12:05:50 AM
Wow, hell of a finish in the Bama-Houston game. And preemptively, it was absolutely not goaltend.

If you're going to change a rule for that to be reviewed, they should have a physicist in the Command Center to tell you that there is a precisely 0% chance  that ball is going in.

Totally agree.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on December 12, 2021, 10:38:43 AM
Davis looks a little like Devin Booker to me. I think he ends up a lottery pick. #HeGowne
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: wadesworld on December 12, 2021, 02:14:06 PM
I have yet to see a single mock draft with Davis in it, let alone a first round pick, let alone a lottery pick.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: GB Warrior on December 12, 2021, 02:22:30 PM
I have yet to see a single mock draft with Davis in it, let alone a first round pick, let alone a lottery pick.

It's cuz all the mock sites know how much he loves college
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on December 12, 2021, 02:44:59 PM
I have yet to see a single mock draft with Davis in it, let alone a first round pick, let alone a lottery pick.

Most of the mocks haven't been updated. Lottery pick ... I don't know about that, but I'll be surprised if he's not a first-rounder unless he gets hurt or really hits the skids.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 12, 2021, 02:50:16 PM
Some updated draft scouting sites have him listed as late first, early second.  We will see how the conference season goes.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on December 12, 2021, 03:21:37 PM
He’s a very good player and probably a first round pick, but talk of him being a lottery pick is a bit hysteric.  He’s got decent size, but not great size at the 2.  He’s not an exceptional 3 pt shooter.  He’s athletic enough but not an athletic freak.  You need one of those 3 to be a lottery pick at the 2 IMO.

He’s a scoring machine and definitely a pro, but I think he’s probably a 25-30 range guy, which still means he should leave after this year
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 12, 2021, 07:59:29 PM
Monmouth just won at Pitt.  ;D
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on December 12, 2021, 08:21:18 PM
Monmouth just won at Pitt.  ;D

Awesome!!
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 12, 2021, 09:10:18 PM
I mean, Monmouth has a better NET ranking than Marquette ... 45.  They're a decent team.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on December 12, 2021, 09:26:26 PM
I mean, Monmouth has a better NET ranking than Marquette ... 45.  They're a decent team.

That's not the point.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 12, 2021, 09:35:08 PM
Monmouth just won at Pitt.  ;D

Monmouth was favored. Stallings really bottomed out the Pitt program.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on December 12, 2021, 10:31:43 PM
That's not the point.

What’s the point then?  Monmouth is a very solid mid major lead by an accomplished and respect coach and a guard who got decent minutes for SHU last year

….and Pitt is the DePaul of the ACC who hasn’t had a winning season or made any postseason tourney in over 5 years and has only finished above 9th in the ACC once since joining the conference.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 13, 2021, 09:17:45 AM
That's not the point.

Correct, anytime Pitt & Syracuse goes down is a good day.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: BrewCity83 on December 13, 2021, 10:58:57 AM
Major props to Jeff Capel for scheduling Monmouth, hey?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on December 13, 2021, 11:41:55 AM
I have yet to see a single mock draft with Davis in it, let alone a first round pick, let alone a lottery pick.

It's still early and Davis is just getting on the mock draft radar.  If he sustains this level of play, Davis will start appearing as a first round pick by the end of January.

Davis is playing a lot better than guys like Max Christie and Trevor Keels.  I've seen both mocked in the late lottery.   I think Davis passes them in the mock drafts sooner than later.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on December 13, 2021, 07:52:30 PM
Speaking of lottery picks, Patrick Baldwin Jr should just pack it in.  UWM is horrible and will be lucky to win 10 games this year.  And he’s not even lighting it up in spite of them cause there is nobody else to worry about. Currently scoreless with 2 fouls in the first against URI
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 13, 2021, 08:05:36 PM
Speaking of lottery picks, Patrick Baldwin Jr should just pack it in.  UWM is horrible and will be lucky to win 10 games this year.  And he’s not even lighting it up in spite of them cause there is nobody else to worry about. Currently scoreless with 2 fouls in the first against URI

I admire his decision to play for his old man but he did himself a disservice when it comes to developing his game.  I doubt it’ll hurt his draft status but he’d be better off playing with better talent
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on December 13, 2021, 08:19:42 PM
I admire his decision to play for his old man but he did himself a disservice when it comes to developing his game.  I doubt it’ll hurt his draft status but he’d be better off playing with better talent

Yea it’s just kind of odd.  I mean, it’s not a traditional college campus or experience.  It’s not even the fun college game day experience cause they have only had 1 game where they drew more than 2500 fans.

So sure you get a few months playing for Dad but you’re getting your head bashed in playing with bum teammates in empty gyms.

He’ll still be a top 20 pick, but inauspicious start to his “adult” career
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on December 13, 2021, 09:25:10 PM
He’d have been way better off doing one of those “straight to the G League” deals, or doing what LaMelo did.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: martyconlonontherun on December 14, 2021, 08:39:01 AM
Yea it’s just kind of odd.  I mean, it’s not a traditional college campus or experience.  It’s not even the fun college game day experience cause they have only had 1 game where they drew more than 2500 fans.

So sure you get a few months playing for Dad but you’re getting your head bashed in playing with bum teammates in empty gyms.

He’ll still be a top 20 pick, but inauspicious start to his “adult” career

I wonder if PB sr would have been retained if PBJ excluded UWM early in his recruiting. I assume if he was let go, he had enough of a resume to follow PBJ to any school or G-League team. As this season is going, i'm having doubts PBSr will have a job in January and PBJ will "focus on the draft"
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: wadesworld on December 14, 2021, 08:42:45 AM
If only we would've had a second donor pay out PBSr.'s buyout from Milwaukee, plus salary for Marquette's DOBO position, and pony up for PBJr's NIL money we'd be in good shape.  PBJ starting at the 3 for us would be nice.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 14, 2021, 09:04:27 AM
Unless he signed an extension at some point, this is the last year of his original five year deal.  And I don't see any evidence of an extension.  So my guess is that UWM is in for a complete rebuild next year.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 14, 2021, 11:07:37 AM
Yea it’s just kind of odd.  I mean, it’s not a traditional college campus or experience.  It’s not even the fun college game day experience cause they have only had 1 game where they drew more than 2500 fans.

So sure you get a few months playing for Dad but you’re getting your head bashed in playing with bum teammates in empty gyms.

He’ll still be a top 20 pick, but inauspicious start to his “adult” career

higher than that. My buddy who is an assistant GM in the NBA was at the game scouting him last night. "Still a lottery pick. He's in a terrible situation."
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on December 14, 2021, 11:20:32 AM
higher than that. My buddy who is an assistant GM in the NBA was at the game scouting him last night. "Still a lottery pick. He's in a terrible situation."

Thanks for the info. I wonder what he thinks about Johnny Davis.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: lawdog77 on December 14, 2021, 11:40:15 AM
higher than that. My buddy who is an assistant GM in the NBA was at the game scouting him last night. "Still a lottery pick. He's in a terrible situation."
Thanks, Chicos
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: CreightonWarrior on December 14, 2021, 01:53:47 PM
Nebraska job will be opening up very soon if rumors are true of a recruiting violation being exposed.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 14, 2021, 07:00:11 PM
Unless he signed an extension at some point, this is the last year of his original five year deal.  And I don't see any evidence of an extension.  So my guess is that UWM is in for a complete rebuild next year.

There was no extension I'm aware of. The number of guys that transfer out each year, every year has been a rebuild in some regard.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on December 14, 2021, 09:14:50 PM
Reports of Memphis’ demise seems to be premature…or when you have insane talent sometimes they will just win a game themselves
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on December 14, 2021, 09:30:35 PM
Reports of Memphis’ demise seems to be premature…or when you have insane talent sometimes they will just win a game themselves

Hard to concentrate playing on that idiotic court. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 15, 2021, 12:42:51 AM
Thanks for the info. I wonder what he thinks about Johnny Davis.

Not on their radar yet. This is a team who will be picking in the lottery.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Herman Cain on December 15, 2021, 08:43:00 AM
Johnny Davis 15th pick on NBAdraft.net

https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on December 15, 2021, 09:44:17 AM
Yeah, Davis is gonna start showing up on more and more mock drafts. Very much on scouts' radar.

He's really, really good. Good enough size, decent handle, 38% from 3, super smooth, plenty athletic, never seems in a hurry, gonna carry an otherwise mediocre team into the NCAAT.

If you're an NBA GM you look at him and say, "Already a nice player, and can be a lot better."
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on December 15, 2021, 09:58:45 AM
Davis is 19th on Watch Stadium and 26th on NBA Draft Room.

EPSN has him at 32.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: lawdog77 on December 15, 2021, 10:10:20 AM
Not on their radar yet. This is a team who will be picking in the lottery.
Either
1. your friend is not telling you the whole truth
2. your friend is a moron and in a dereliction of his duties, or
3. your friend is imaginary
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on December 15, 2021, 10:24:05 AM
Not on their radar yet. This is a team who will be picking in the lottery.

Thanks for responding. I am sure they will be scouting him as the season goes on.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 15, 2021, 12:12:53 PM
Either
1. your friend is not telling you the whole truth
2. your friend is a moron and in a dereliction of his duties, or
3. your friend is imaginary

1. your friend is not telling you the whole truth - nope. Davis isn't someone they're looking at.
2. your friend is a moron and in a dereliction of his duties, or - focus is on top ten guys since that's where they'll be picking (probably higher). Focusing on a fringe lottery pick who is at a position where they're set would be the dereliction of duty.
3. your friend is imaginary - nope. Unless I've been spending time with an talking to a ghost for 10 years and that Athletic focus on him last year was about an imaginary person.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on December 15, 2021, 12:21:22 PM
I won't make any accusations about Billy or his friend, but even GMs who are expected to pick in the lottery do a lot more than scout lottery picks.

1. There are a bazillion draft-related trades. You might think you're picking No. 5 or 8 or 10, but your GM might wheel and deal. And after all that, you might end up with the 16th and 27th picks. So you'd damn well better be prepared to provide a ton of info about guys who could go well after the lottery. If you want to keep your job, that is.

2. There's a second round, and those picks get dealt like crazy. I don't expect Davis to fall into the second round, but anything's possible.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Pakuni on December 15, 2021, 12:27:35 PM
I won't make any accusations about Billy or his friend, but even GMs who are expected to pick in the lottery do a lot more than scout lottery picks.

1. There are a bazillion draft-related trades. You might think you're picking No. 5 or 8 or 10, but your GM might wheel and deal. And after all that, you might end up with the 16th and 27th picks. So you'd damn well better be prepared to provide a ton of info about guys who could go well after the lottery. If you want to keep your job, that is.

2. There's a second round, and those picks get dealt like crazy. I don't expect Davis to fall into the second round, but anything's possible.

Yeah ... I can't speak for Billy's friend, but NBA teams scout everyone at this time of the season because they have no idea where they'll be picking come June.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 15, 2021, 12:30:47 PM
Yeah ... I can't speak for Billy's friend, but NBA teams scout everyone at this time of the season because they have no idea where they'll be picking come June.

Whatever scouting department not doing due diligence on potential 2022 draft picks is one I want to do business with.  #EasyW
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on December 15, 2021, 12:38:16 PM
I'm in the market for a new car in mid 2022.  The new all Mustang Mach-E isn't on my radar  cause I still don't love American made cars and I'm not seeing total value in all electric for me at this point...but I'm aware of it.  See how that works?

I'm sure the dude knows who Johnny Davis is.  I'm sure he knows what he's like as a player.  He isn't in their consideration set in the top 10 picks when they have a SG they like and maybe don't think Davis is lottery value at this point.

Why is that so hard to understand?  Or is it just open season on Billy cause of some of his other takes?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: lawdog77 on December 15, 2021, 01:29:56 PM
My $.02, when you namedrop someone in a high status position, and matter of factly answer someone's questions as if the person is sitting right next to you, you open yourself to criticism. Now, do I think Billy has a friend in that person, yes. But do I think if Billy knows how much Johnny Davis is on their radar, Hellllll no.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on December 15, 2021, 01:45:40 PM
My $.02, when you namedrop someone in a high status position, and matter of factly answer someone's questions as if the person is sitting right next to you, you open yourself to criticism. Now, do I think Billy has a friend in that person, yes. But do I think if Billy knows how much Johnny Davis is on their radar, Hellllll no.

You literally took "not on their radar" to mean they have no clue who he is.  Instead of the fact that he's just not of interest or a priority.  He even clarified that in a second post.

He's an assistant GM, not a run of the mill college scout.  Its not crazy to think he's not focusing on someone who is not a position of need, or held in particularly high esteem, for a top 10 pick.

At least you admitted you think Billy is full of it, so we can view your continued criticism and scrutiny through the proper lens.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: lawdog77 on December 15, 2021, 02:16:24 PM
I figuratively took it to mean they have not scouted him. So, if they haven't yet, they are behind the curve. Davis is now #15 on nbadraft.net.

Considering these teams have scouts at basically every big game, and I would think this team would have someone at one of the tourney games this year Wisconsin was at, and most NBA Gms/Assistant GMs have weekly conference calls with their scouts, I would think he would be on their radar.

And yes, I think his first post was very Chicoesque.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on December 15, 2021, 04:12:39 PM
Bleacher Report has Davis at number 8 in their new mock draft.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: wadesworld on December 15, 2021, 04:17:00 PM
I hope Penny waited for Nate Oats to shake his hand.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 15, 2021, 04:20:56 PM
I'm in the market for a new car in mid 2022.  The new all Mustang Mach-E isn't on my radar  cause I still don't love American made cars and I'm not seeing total value in all electric for me at this point...but I'm aware of it.  See how that works?

I'm sure the dude knows who Johnny Davis is.  I'm sure he knows what he's like as a player.  He isn't in their consideration set in the top 10 picks when they have a SG they like and maybe don't think Davis is lottery value at this point.

Why is that so hard to understand?  Or is it just open season on Billy cause of some of his other takes?


No NBA personnel executive has written off Johnny Davis at this point.  The draft is six months away and there are three whole months of college basketball left to play...scouting combines, personal interviews, etc. etc. etc.

Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 15, 2021, 04:23:15 PM
2. your friend is a moron and in a dereliction of his duties, or - focus is on top ten guys since that's where they'll be picking (probably higher). Focusing on a fringe lottery pick who is at a position where they're set would be the dereliction of duty.


Nobody has a set list of "top ten guys" with no room for someone who may be a "fringe lottery pick"....in December. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 15, 2021, 04:26:37 PM

No NBA personnel executive has written off Johnny Davis at this point.  The draft is six months away and there are three whole months of college basketball left to play...scouting combines, personal interviews, etc. etc. etc.

In Billy’s defense, his scout friend did say the team was “set at Davis’ position”.

However, any front office worth anything would have contingency plans in case of injury or decline in performance for whatever reason.  Coupled with possible roster changes between now and then as well would also behoove a front office to be fully vested in any and all potential draft picks.

The truth is, I doubt any good scout shares a lot of worthwhile information with friends
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: LAZER on December 15, 2021, 04:27:24 PM
Reports of Memphis’ demise seems to be premature…or when you have insane talent sometimes they will just win a game themselves
In fairness they've been pretty bad to start and they've left themselves with little wiggle room for an at large. Another win against Tennessee this weekend will go a long way. It'll be interesting to see Bates' minutes going forward.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on December 15, 2021, 05:05:48 PM

Nobody has a set list of "top ten guys" with no room for someone who may be a "fringe lottery pick"....in December.

But again, his exact words were “not on their radar yet”.  I don’t know why people are losing their minds over this except for the poster.

He said they feel set at the 2 and don’t feel he’s one of those “can’t pass” regardless of position guys. And it’s not their focus right now.  Not that he has no potential.  Not that he will absolutely never be a lottery pick.  Just his guy’s NBA FO take.

Just feels like they have decided Billy:Chicos and want him to be so full of it that they are reaching to describe additional meaning where there was none.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: rocket surgeon on December 15, 2021, 05:39:56 PM
my concern as a person scouting johnny is speed and quickness, stuff ya can't teach
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 15, 2021, 06:27:30 PM
my concern as a person scouting johnny is speed and quickness, stuff ya can't teach

Did you even see him waltz by our supposedly good, quick defenders?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: cheebs09 on December 15, 2021, 07:10:35 PM
Given that this team is solidly in the lottery, maybe we are giving the front office a little too much credit.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on December 15, 2021, 07:38:07 PM
Nicholls State up on the Bagders 30-24 at the under 4:00 of the 1st half.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: forgetful on December 15, 2021, 07:38:59 PM
Nicholls State up on the Bagders 30-24 at the under 4:00 of the 1st half.

Johnny Davis maybe early season MVP.

Badgers without him look dreadful.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on December 15, 2021, 07:49:27 PM
Johnny Davis maybe early season MVP.

Badgers without him look dreadful.
Yes, they are.

I wonder if Jordan Davis will be unGarded when his brother turns pro.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on December 15, 2021, 07:49:42 PM
Nicholls State up on the Bagders 30-24 at the under 4:00 of the 1st half.

Make that 37-28.  Hopefully the Colonels bring it in the 2nd half. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on December 15, 2021, 08:08:59 PM
Yes, they are.

I wonder if Jordan Davis will be unGarded when his brother turns pro.

Give him a track scholarship.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on December 15, 2021, 08:09:27 PM
Yes, they are.

I wonder if Jordan Davis will be unGarded when his brother turns pro.

Jordan makes Wally look like Larry Bird
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 15, 2021, 08:48:19 PM
Jordan makes Wally look like Larry Bird

Impossible.  The badgers are above offering untalented players scholarships just to land their talented brothers. Their fans have informed us of this many times
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on December 15, 2021, 08:53:00 PM
Upset Alert:  Did someone disparage the Anteaters?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on December 16, 2021, 08:13:50 AM
Badger fans got a glimpse at what next years team might look like although some I know think they'll be OK because 3 players are red shirting this year.
Who else red shirts 3 in a season?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Herman Cain on December 16, 2021, 12:32:03 PM
Give him a track scholarship.
Jordan was better at Football and supposedly The Badgers had interest in him for football . Don’t know if it was scholarship or preferred walk on
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on December 21, 2021, 08:18:55 PM
Davidson beat Bama.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 21, 2021, 10:45:14 PM
I'm in the market for a new car in mid 2022.  The new all Mustang Mach-E isn't on my radar  cause I still don't love American made cars and I'm not seeing total value in all electric for me at this point...but I'm aware of it.  See how that works?

I'm sure the dude knows who Johnny Davis is.  I'm sure he knows what he's like as a player.  He isn't in their consideration set in the top 10 picks when they have a SG they like and maybe don't think Davis is lottery value at this point.

Why is that so hard to understand?  Or is it just open season on Billy cause of some of his other takes?

I’m actually considering one of those. Waiting to see if the BBB passes and the tax credits increase to $12,500.

Oh yeah, my buddy’s team has a guy at the 2 signed long term with a $31 million cap hit. They need a 4 in the worst way, which is why he’s scouting Baldwin in person.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: forgetful on December 22, 2021, 11:06:45 AM
I’m actually considering one of those. Waiting to see if the BBB passes and the tax credits increase to $12,500.

Oh yeah, my buddy’s team has a guy at the 2 signed long term with a $31 million cap hit. They need a 4 in the worst way, which is why he’s scouting Baldwin in person.

I know he has the height to be a 4, but doesn't Baldwin project to a 3 in the NBA?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on December 22, 2021, 12:27:21 PM
Johnny Davis at 9th in the latest Yahoo Sports mock draft.

I'm trying to figure out who Billy's friend works for. Right now I'm guessing OKC.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on December 22, 2021, 11:09:25 PM
Johnny Davis at 9th in the latest Yahoo Sports mock draft.

I'm trying to figure out who Billy's friend works for. Right now I'm guessing OKC.

Blazers.  McCollum is on the books at $30.9M and their PF situation is Covington/Larry Nance, neither of whom are a long term solution.  If anyone is not interesting in a scoring guard in the lottery, it’s the Blazers
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on December 22, 2021, 11:44:35 PM
Blazers.  McCollum is on the books at $30.9M and their PF situation is Covington/Larry Nance, neither of whom are a long term solution.  If anyone is not interesting in a scoring guard in the lottery, it’s the Blazers

That makes sense. Thanks.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: lawdog77 on December 23, 2021, 07:34:21 AM
Blazers.  McCollum is on the books at $30.9M and their PF situation is Covington/Larry Nance, neither of whom are a long term solution.  If anyone is not interesting in a scoring guard in the lottery, it’s the Blazers
Except if they trade CJ , which is a big rumor. Not sure if his friend is with Portland, but many of the Mock Drafts have Portland taking a SG (nabdraft.net, Yahoo) and this one:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2951341-2022-nba-mock-draft-updated-1st-round-predictions (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2951341-2022-nba-mock-draft-updated-1st-round-predictions)

I believe many of these sites just slot best available player, but thought that one was kind of funny.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on December 29, 2021, 09:08:40 PM
Two complete horsebleep calls at the Kohl.  Absolutely inexcusable.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on January 03, 2022, 07:52:55 PM
There is.a 0.000000% chance Johnny Davis will be back next year with the weasel/rodents.  No question he's a lottery pick.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 03, 2022, 08:06:16 PM
There is.a 0.000000% chance Johnny Davis will be back next year with the weasel/rodents.  No question he's a lottery pick.
37 points/13 boards at Purdue.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 03, 2022, 08:06:44 PM
Ivey might have the potential to be better

But Johnny Davis is astronomically better at the collegiate level right now
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on January 03, 2022, 08:19:54 PM
I just caught the last 10 mins but the truth is Whisky is basically a one man show.  The guy has been that good and they really don't have much else. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Jay Bee on January 03, 2022, 08:33:08 PM
The Davis brothers combined for 37p & 16r tonight. Impressive!!
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 03, 2022, 08:36:29 PM
There is.a 0.000000% chance Johnny Davis will be back next year with the weasel/rodents.  No question he's a lottery pick.

He gone
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on January 03, 2022, 09:09:04 PM
There is.a 0.000000% chance Johnny Davis will be back next year with the weasel/rodents.  No question he's a lottery pick.

Yes. As a few of us have been saying since November, he's a pro.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on January 04, 2022, 12:34:12 AM
Johnny Davis made the biggest one year leap I can remember.  Even bigger than Jimmy Butler's sophomore to junior year leap.

After Wisconsin beat us, I predicted Davis would be a lottery pick. After tonight, he's top 10 with a legit chance to go top 5.

Player comps: Devin Booker, Ron Harper, Allan Houston

Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on January 04, 2022, 08:59:14 AM
Johnny Davis made the biggest one year leap I can remember.  Even bigger than Jimmy Butler's sophomore to junior year leap.

After Wisconsin beat us, I predicted Davis would be a lottery pick. After tonight, he's top 10 with a legit chance to go top 5.

Player comps: Devin Booker, Ron Harper, Allan Houston

Ill eat my hat if he goes top 5.

Harper was way more explosive as a college player than Davis is. Dude could fly.

Booker was and is a better shooter. 

Davis doesn’t have a dangerous outside shot to speak of and I don’t see how a SG with decent but not great size and decent but not great overall athleticism goes that high without being a sniper from deep as well.

Allan Houston isn’t a bad comp actually
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: lawdog77 on January 04, 2022, 09:20:31 AM
Ill eat my hat if he goes top 5.
Yep, especially since one of the teams does not have him on their radar.

Just busting your chops a little. I don't think he's a Top 5 guy either, but then again I am behind a keyboard, and not qualified to really make that call.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: GrimmReaper33 on January 04, 2022, 10:08:24 AM
Ill eat my hat if he goes top 5.

Harper was way more explosive as a college player than Davis is. Dude could fly.

Booker was and is a better shooter. 

Davis doesn’t have a dangerous outside shot to speak of and I don’t see how a SG with decent but not great size and decent but not great overall athleticism goes that high without being a sniper from deep as well.

Allan Houston isn’t a bad comp actually

Will be interesting to see how Davis fares in the NBA.  He is not a great outside shooter, but can hit them at a decent clip.  I wouldn't call his athleticism elite but his first step is so quick and he gets off the ground in a hurry when he jumps.  At this level he has shown he can get to his spots whenever he wants.  His midrange game is really, really good and his defense is outstanding.
 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 04, 2022, 10:13:53 AM
Will be interesting to see how Davis fares in the NBA.  He is not a great outside shooter, but can hit them at a decent clip.  I wouldn't call his athleticism elite but his first step is so quick and he gets off the ground in a hurry when he jumps.  At this level he has shown he can get to his spots whenever he wants.  His midrange game is really, really good and his defense is outstanding.
 

He got hype coming out of the U-19 last summer.  I think he should turn pro now and get ready for the draft 😂
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on January 04, 2022, 11:02:12 AM
Will be interesting to see how Davis fares in the NBA.  He is not a great outside shooter, but can hit them at a decent clip.  I wouldn't call his athleticism elite but his first step is so quick and he gets off the ground in a hurry when he jumps.  At this level he has shown he can get to his spots whenever he wants.  His midrange game is really, really good and his defense is outstanding.
 

Not quite as tall, but reminds me some of DeRozan. Quicker than he looks, plenty athletic enough, smooth, very reliable midrange game, good defender.

And it's not like he's a brick-layer from 3 -- .389 last season on limited attempts but still .348 this year on 4.2 attempts per game. That's not eye-popping, but it's solid and it's something to work with at the next level. I wouldn't be surprised if Davis becomes a decent 3-point shooter. When Jae was BEast POY as a senior, he shot .345 on 5.1 attempts ... and now, one of the NBA's best teams uses him as a spot-up shooter.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on January 04, 2022, 11:21:28 AM
A smaller DeRozan is another comparison I thought of.

Jon Rothstein tweeted the Houston comparison and it instantly clicked for me.  Houston was a much better shooter, but Davis profiles very closely.

Size and athleticism are similar, both are good defenders, solid midrange and post game.  Shooting is the only real question, but Davis is already serviceable.

If Davis keeps developing and becomes a much better shooter, Booker is the comparison for a best case scenario.  Good, not great, athletes that just know how to get to their spots and score.  Intelligence, craftiness, little wasted motion.  Davis has a swagger that just makes me confident he hasn't peaked.

If he doesn't develop his jumper, a less athletic Ron Harper makes sense. A slashing scorer and good defender, like Harper was for the Cavs and Clippers (pre-injuries).

Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: wadesworld on January 04, 2022, 11:28:19 AM
Not quite as tall, but reminds me some of DeRozan. Quicker than he looks, plenty athletic enough, smooth, very reliable midrange game, good defender.

And it's not like he's a brick-layer from 3 -- .389 last season on limited attempts but still .348 this year on 4.2 attempts per game. That's not eye-popping, but it's solid and it's something to work with at the next level. I wouldn't be surprised if Davis becomes a decent 3-point shooter. When Jae was BEast POY as a senior, he shot .345 on 5.1 attempts ... and now, one of the NBA's best teams uses him as a spot-up shooter.

And the Bucks thank them for that!
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on January 04, 2022, 11:31:43 AM
As far as the top 5 goes, I know it will be difficult to crack but not impossible.  Smith, Banchero, and Holmgren seem like a lock to go top 3.

After that, it gets interesting.  There's probably 5 or 6 players competing for the other top 5 spots. The next group in my eyes:

Jaden Ivey
Kendall Brown
Jalen Duren
Johnny Davis
AJ Griffin
Benedict Mathurin

It will depend on how the season plays out and which teams end up drafting top 5. Team needs could dictate the draft order.  Some teams might prefer Davis more than others, depending on their internal draft rankings and needs.  We shall see.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on January 04, 2022, 11:37:21 AM
Going off on a tangent, it's crazy to look back at the 2018 WIAA State Tournament. Players at state included Tyrese Haliburton, Jalen Johnson, Patrick Baldwin, Michael Foster, and Johnny Davis. Next year all five will be in the NBA.

And Tyler Herro wasn't even there!  Quite a year for Wisconsin HS basketball.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on January 04, 2022, 01:12:37 PM
Wendell Moore might be another top 10 candidate.  He's having an excellent year. Even though he's a junior, Moore is still only 20 (6-7 months older than Davis).
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: brewcity77 on January 04, 2022, 01:29:51 PM
Not quite as tall, but reminds me some of DeRozan. Quicker than he looks, plenty athletic enough, smooth, very reliable midrange game, good defender.

And it's not like he's a brick-layer from 3 -- .389 last season on limited attempts but still .348 this year on 4.2 attempts per game. That's not eye-popping, but it's solid and it's something to work with at the next level. I wouldn't be surprised if Davis becomes a decent 3-point shooter. When Jae was BEast POY as a senior, he shot .345 on 5.1 attempts ... and now, one of the NBA's best teams uses him as a spot-up shooter.

At this level, he reminds me of Wade. He can get a bucket whenever he wants and he has the ability to be a game changer on both ends of the floor. He isn't the athlete Dwyane was, but he has size on him.

As far as the NBA level and his shot, the other thing to look at is free throw percentage. Evaluators like to look at FT% as an indicator that even if a player isn't a great long-range shooter, they have the tools to learn it. Davis was a respectable 72.7% last year and is a strong 82.1% at the stripe this year. At this point, he's definite lottery and trending up. I think he's in the mix for top-5 and unless his stock slides, he won't last past 10.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on January 04, 2022, 02:28:29 PM
At this level, he reminds me of Wade. He can get a bucket whenever he wants and he has the ability to be a game changer on both ends of the floor. He isn't the athlete Dwyane was, but he has size on him.

As far as the NBA level and his shot, the other thing to look at is free throw percentage. Evaluators like to look at FT% as an indicator that even if a player isn't a great long-range shooter, they have the tools to learn it. Davis was a respectable 72.7% last year and is a strong 82.1% at the stripe this year. At this point, he's definite lottery and trending up. I think he's in the mix for top-5 and unless his stock slides, he won't last past 10.

I thought of Wade, but like you said Davis isn't that elite level of athlete. Wade also had a better handle, was a better passer, and was a very good shot blocker.

But another Davis player comp I saw on line is Jeremy Lamb.  I'd say that's probably his floor, with Allan Houston as a realistic ceiling, and an outside chance of being as good as Devin Booker.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: brewcity77 on January 04, 2022, 02:37:52 PM
I thought of Wade, but like you said Davis isn't that elite level of athlete. Wade also had a better handle, was a better passer, and was a very good shot blocker.

But another Davis player comp I saw on line is Jeremy Lamb.  I'd say that's probably his floor, with Allan Houston as a realistic ceiling, and an outside chance of being as good as Devin Booker.

The shot-blocking for Wade was other-worldly, and that's what I meant when I said Davis was a difference maker on that end of the floor. Different from Wade, but in terms of what they do I think they are similar, even if exactly how they do it is different. I also think their meaning to their teams is similar. Wade leaves Marquette and we go to back-to-back NITs. Not sure what will happen to UW without Davis, but right now they are a one-man team.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Galway Eagle on January 04, 2022, 03:35:01 PM
The shot-blocking for Wade was other-worldly, and that's what I meant when I said Davis was a difference maker on that end of the floor. Different from Wade, but in terms of what they do I think they are similar, even if exactly how they do it is different. I also think their meaning to their teams is similar. Wade leaves Marquette and we go to back-to-back NITs. Not sure what will happen to UW without Davis, but right now they are a one-man team.

Wow just gonna ignore the fact that odarty blankson would have stayed and we win the natty?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on January 04, 2022, 10:40:21 PM
Buzz over Crean at the buzzer tonight
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on January 04, 2022, 10:42:02 PM
Buzz over Crean at the buzzer tonight

Crean's guys just kept backing up on the final play and gave up a wide-open, game-winning 3. Bad.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Jockey on January 04, 2022, 11:16:01 PM
Not sure what will happen to UW without Davis, but right now they are a one-man team.

Brew, I've read similar comments here on Scoop for years and years.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 05, 2022, 12:48:47 AM
Crean's guys just kept backing up on the final play and gave up a wide-open, game-winning 3. Bad.

Sounds like the Stanford game
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MUfan12 on January 05, 2022, 08:39:56 AM
Brew, I've read similar comments here on Scoop for years and years.

Yes, but I don't know if they have ever been this reliant on one guy before.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on January 05, 2022, 08:42:47 AM
Both Jake Laravia and Alondes Williams (Rufus King HS) @ Wake Forest are fun to watch IMO.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on January 05, 2022, 08:54:14 AM
Both Jake Laravia and Alondes Williams (Rufus King HS) @ Wake Forest are fun to watch IMO.

Alondes went to Riverside
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 05, 2022, 12:02:48 PM
Sounds like the Stanford game

huh? Burke couldn't have played much better defense on Brook Lopez. Lopez was behind the backboard and falling out of bounds when he shot it over Burke. I've never been more upset after a MU game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFpROg5G_Jc
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 05, 2022, 12:25:13 PM
huh? Burke couldn't have played much better defense on Brook Lopez. Lopez was behind the backboard and falling out of bounds when he shot it over Burke. I've never been more upset after a MU game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFpROg5G_Jc

Crean chose not to pressure the two mediocre Stanford guards out of the time out even though he had three of the best defensive guards in MU history. He played hunker down defense with a 6'8" center to defend the AA center. Stupido.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 05, 2022, 12:39:17 PM
Crean chose not to pressure the two mediocre Stanford guards out of the time out even though he had three of the best defensive guards in MU history. He played hunker down defense with a 6'8" center to defend the AA center. Stupido.

six years ago I worked with Mitch Johnson (the PG who had 16 assists) and we talked about that game. The play was always going to Lopez, there was no second option. Unless we're talking about a previous play. DJ was on Johnson pretty closely, picking him up at mid-court. Ooze would have been better defensive option if he hadn't fouled out. Chalk that up to Crean's inability to bring in a strong defensive big, I guess.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Hards Alumni on January 05, 2022, 12:57:45 PM
Crean chose not to pressure the two mediocre Stanford guards out of the time out even though he had three of the best defensive guards in MU history. He played hunker down defense with a 6'8" center to defend the AA center. Stupido.

And he's about to get fired from Georgia.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on January 05, 2022, 01:18:04 PM
Alondes went to Riverside

I stand by the rest of my post lol
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on January 05, 2022, 02:13:03 PM
New NBA mock draft from John Wasserman at Bleacher Report:

5. Johnny Davis
48. Justin Lewis
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 05, 2022, 02:20:45 PM
New NBA mock draft from John Wasserman at Bleacher Report:

5. Johnny Davis
48. Justin Lewis


Should someone let Billy's friend know?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on January 05, 2022, 02:47:14 PM
New NBA mock draft from John Wasserman at Bleacher Report:

5. Johnny Davis
48. Justin Lewis

Bleacher Report isn't exactly the height of sports journalism.  Its basically Buzzfeed for sports


Should someone let Billy's friend know?

Glad we're still manipulating a statement that likely had truth in it into some cheap laughs
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: lawdog77 on January 05, 2022, 06:18:41 PM
Glad we're still manipulating a statement that likely had truth in it into some cheap laughs
Glad to see you're still fighting the good fight in defending him! It's one of those statements that didn't age well.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on January 05, 2022, 06:45:14 PM
Glad to see you're still fighting the good fight in defending him! It's one of those statements that didn't age well.

I’m not defending him. From the jump I saw it as an innocuous statement that everyone went after like the dude was either lying or the front office guy was an idiot.  And Davis going in the lottery does nothing to change it.

Plenty of front office statements or opinions don’t age well.  That doesnt mean they were patently absurd when they were made.  Davis is really good, but I still don’t think he’s a “can’t pass up” talent for a team that doesn’t need an SG.

I still stand by its people having more of an issue with Billy’s other posts and they wouldn’t have went HAM on it if Dish or other pro sports connected posters said it
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on January 05, 2022, 09:16:40 PM
Not that it matters but St. Bonny has gotten throttled their last two games.  I did warn their fans that they should wait for the season to play out before anointing them a F4 team.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 05, 2022, 11:44:53 PM

Should someone let Billy's friend know?

Not a need nor reasonable pick for them (and they’ll be lower). But I’m flattered you remain obsessed. I’ll pass on your thoughts to him.

He said he’ll be checking out JLew soon with some other possible second rounders from the BE.mLikes his versatility and motor, hopes he can improve his range.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 06, 2022, 07:48:14 AM
Not a need nor reasonable pick for them (and they’ll be lower).  But I’m flattered you remain obsessed.


Portland didn't think Michael Jordan was a need for them. 

And I am obsessed because this entire story has been bullsh*t from the beginning.  Supposedly this friend wasn't considering him because they are only looking at the top 10, and now he's too high for them? 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on January 06, 2022, 09:29:02 AM
Not a need nor reasonable pick for them (and they’ll be lower). But I’m flattered you remain obsessed. I’ll pass on your thoughts to him.

He said he’ll be checking out JLew soon with some other possible second rounders from the BE.mLikes his versatility and motor, hopes he can improve his range.

Thanks for the info, Billy.  Don't let the haters get you down.

I realize that you can't disclose too much about your friend's team.  I definitely don't have enough info to pass judgement on their team situation.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on January 06, 2022, 09:50:35 AM
Ah, reliable Scoop bickering.

All that matters is that Davis is a stud, as a few of us said 2 months ago, and that Marquette won't have to deal with him again.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 06, 2022, 09:59:27 AM
Thanks for the info, Billy.  Don't let the haters get you down.


What info?  The guy he claimed to be in a personnel department who said that Davis wasn't on their radar?  Gimme a break...
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on January 06, 2022, 10:23:14 AM

What info?  The guy he claimed to be in a personnel department who said that Davis wasn't on their radar?  Gimme a break...

If Billy's friend does work for Portland (as one Scooper surmised), then I understand why they wouldn't be in the market for a SG.

CJ McCollum, Norman Powell, and Anfernee Simmons are all good players.  Unless Portland became convinced Davis was a can't miss All-Star, then I can understand why they would target a different position, particularly forwards.

Maybe passing on Davis would be a mistake, but NBA teams make mistakes all the time.

PS- Davis has had such a meteoric rise this season, going from someone not expected to even enter the draft to a lottery projection.  I'm sure he was off the radar of most teams at the start of the year, but Davis played his way onto the radar.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on January 06, 2022, 10:24:46 AM
New 2 round mock draft from USA today has Johnny Davis at 5.  No Justin Lewis.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 06, 2022, 11:09:16 AM
If Billy's friend does work for Portland (as one Scooper surmised), then I understand why they wouldn't be in the market for a SG.

CJ McCollum, Norman Powell, and Anfernee Simmons are all good players.  Unless Portland became convinced Davis was a can't miss All-Star, then I can understand why they would target a different position, particularly forwards.

Maybe passing on Davis would be a mistake, but NBA teams make mistakes all the time.

PS- Davis has had such a meteoric rise this season, going from someone not expected to even enter the draft to a lottery projection.  I'm sure he was off the radar of most teams at the start of the year, but Davis played his way onto the radar.

If you’re picking in the top 5, you really should pick best available unless you have can’t miss players and most of those teams don’t.  Portland needs to be blown up anyway.  They’re not close
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 06, 2022, 11:13:27 AM
If you’re picking in the top 5, you really should pick best available unless you have can’t miss players and most of those teams don’t.  Portland needs to be blown up anyway.  They’re not close

Almost every team drafts this way.  The idea that Portland wouldn't even look at Davis because they have a lot of guards means that the people running Portland's basketball operation are dumb.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 06, 2022, 11:14:48 AM
Almost every team drafts this way.  The idea that Portland wouldn't even look at Davis because they have a lot of guards means that the people running Portland's basketball operation are dumb.

That’s entirely plausible based on what’s reported about the Portland front office
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 06, 2022, 11:40:17 AM
If you’re picking in the top 5, you really should pick best available unless you have can’t miss players and most of those teams don’t.  Portland needs to be blown up anyway.  They’re not close

here's what the Athletic had to say. I'm not sure he's "can't miss."

It’s also worth noting that this is where a substantial drop-off occurs in the draft. Scouts I’ve talked to see Davis right now more as a solid lottery-level to mid-first-round guy as opposed to a top-five guy. The problem is, there isn’t really anyone else around whom I’ve gotten the impression scouts see as a top-half-of-the-lottery guy, so Davis falls here for now.

That’s entirely plausible based on what’s reported about the Portland front office

Right now Portland really doesn't have a front office. Absentee owner and an interim GM who isn't going to get the job.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 06, 2022, 11:45:50 AM
here's what the Athletic had to say. I'm not sure he's "can't miss."

It’s also worth noting that this is where a substantial drop-off occurs in the draft. Scouts I’ve talked to see Davis right now more as a solid lottery-level to mid-first-round guy as opposed to a top-five guy. The problem is, there isn’t really anyone else around whom I’ve gotten the impression scouts see as a top-half-of-the-lottery guy, so Davis falls here for now.

Right now Portland really doesn't have a front office. Absentee owner and an interim GM who isn't going to get the job.

I agree that he isn’t can’t miss.  He’s improved dramatically but 🤷🏼‍♂️. 

 General thought is to take best available talent and if that was Davis, take Davis.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: lawdog77 on January 06, 2022, 11:48:27 AM
here's what the Athletic had to say. I'm not sure he's "can't miss."

It’s also worth noting that this is where a substantial drop-off occurs in the draft. Scouts I’ve talked to see Davis right now more as a solid lottery-level to mid-first-round guy as opposed to a top-five guy. The problem is, there isn’t really anyone else around whom I’ve gotten the impression scouts see as a top-half-of-the-lottery guy, so Davis falls here for now.

Right now Portland really doesn't have a front office. Absentee owner and an interim GM who isn't going to get the job.
You have to quote the Athletic and not your friend, since Davis isn't on his radar?
Sorry, that was the low hanging fruit. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on January 06, 2022, 11:54:49 AM
here's what the Athletic had to say. I'm not sure he's "can't miss."

It’s also worth noting that this is where a substantial drop-off occurs in the draft. Scouts I’ve talked to see Davis right now more as a solid lottery-level to mid-first-round guy as opposed to a top-five guy. The problem is, there isn’t really anyone else around whom I’ve gotten the impression scouts see as a top-half-of-the-lottery guy, so Davis falls here for now.

I'd totally agree that Davis isn't a can't-miss guy. When I called him a stud, I was talking about at the college level.

I think "solid" is a good word to describe him when projecting pro potential. If he develops a reliable NBA 3-point stroke, improves his handle and lands in the right situation, he could have a pretty high ceiling, but that's a lot of ifs.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on January 06, 2022, 09:07:23 PM
I'd totally agree that Davis isn't a can't-miss guy. When I called him a stud, I was talking about at the college level.

I think "solid" is a good word to describe him when projecting pro potential. If he develops a reliable NBA 3-point stroke, improves his handle and lands in the right situation, he could have a pretty high ceiling, but that's a lot of ifs.

Agreed.  But right now he's probably CPOY.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: NolongerWarriors on January 06, 2022, 09:35:06 PM
Wow, Johnny Davis is at it again.

Give Gard a ton of credit for really coaching the guy up.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on January 06, 2022, 10:05:16 PM
Almost every team drafts this way.  The idea that Portland wouldn't even look at Davis because they have a lot of guards means that the people running Portland's basketball operation are dumb.

They certainly try to, but NBA teams make mistakes all the time.

And Portland definitely sounds dysfunctional, so I'm not going to die on a hill defending them.

If you’re picking in the top 5, you really should pick best available unless you have can’t miss players and most of those teams don’t.  Portland needs to be blown up anyway.  They’re not close

I agree, Portland needs to be blown up. But I also think the front office isn't ready to do it.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on January 06, 2022, 10:30:35 PM
Wow, Johnny Davis is at it again.

Give Gard a ton of credit for really coaching the guy up.

Was it Gard or was it playing/practicing all summer with the US team?

Markus made huge strides each off season and I don’t think it was Wojo coaching him up/developing him
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 07, 2022, 05:17:11 AM
Was it Gard or was it playing/practicing all summer with the US team?

Markus made huge strides each off season and I don’t think it was Wojo coaching him up/developing him

https://madison.com/wsj/sports/college/basketball/men/jim-polzin-why-johnny-davis-showing-up-on-nba-radar-is-a-win-win-for/article_b0aa962e-5724-53c6-99e1-711c20e3d5f2.html

Wasn’t Greg Gard
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: wadesworld on January 07, 2022, 09:41:57 AM
K chasing down a Georgia Tech player during a timeout for pointing at his bench was hilarious.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 08, 2022, 09:07:43 PM
Miami won at Duke.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on January 11, 2022, 10:30:03 PM
Fun night for college hoops.

The last two unbeaten teams -- Baylor and USC -- lost. Baylor blew a 15-point lead at home in falling to Texas Tech. USC lost on the road to unranked Stanford. Auburn survived Bama and Kansas topped Iowa State in two down-to-the wire games. Chris Beard's Longhorns beat Porter Moser's Sooners by 14.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on January 12, 2022, 12:36:18 AM
Auburn is really damn good.  Pearl’s best team there, Final Four squad included.  3 really good transfers, plus Jabari Smith. They withstood a furious Bama rally and then somehow won a slugfest in the last 3 min on the road.  Rough as nails
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on January 12, 2022, 06:24:56 AM
Fun night for college hoops.

The last two unbeaten teams -- Baylor and USC -- lost. Baylor blew a 15-point lead at home in falling to Texas Tech. USC lost on the road to unranked Stanford. Auburn survived Bama and Kansas topped Iowa State in two down-to-the wire games. Chris Beard's Longhorns beat Porter Moser's Sooners by 14.

Iowa St got completely screwed last night.  They botched a clear goaltending not to mention two very questionable calls that gave KU 4 free throws down the stretch.  I thought they can review goaltending?  Although I'm not sure TJO made a fuss about it. Anyway, they got hosed.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on January 12, 2022, 08:09:51 AM
Iowa St got completely screwed last night.  They botched a clear goaltending not to mention two very questionable calls that gave KU 4 free throws down the stretch.  I thought they can review goaltending?  Although I'm not sure TJO made a fuss about it. Anyway, they got hosed.

I didn't see the goaltending situation. IIRC refs can't review a NON-call, only a call. And maybe if TJO didn't make a fuss about it, it wasn't what you thought?

I'm also guessing Iowa State had opportunities to win but didn't take advantage of them. Games are very, very, very rarely decided by the refs.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 12, 2022, 12:07:14 PM
Iowa St got completely screwed last night.  They botched a clear goaltending not to mention two very questionable calls that gave KU 4 free throws down the stretch.  I thought they can review goaltending?  Although I'm not sure TJO made a fuss about it. Anyway, they got hosed.

If the goaltend had been on the final basket maybe you could say they were screwed, but as 82 said, there were other opportunities to win (maybe get a stop on KU's final two possessions). And, of course KU is going to get questionable calls at the Phog, it always happens. I hope the Clones can get some revenge at Hilton.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 12, 2022, 12:08:06 PM
Fun night for college hoops.

The last two unbeaten teams -- Baylor and USC -- lost. Baylor blew a 15-point lead at home in falling to Texas Tech. USC lost on the road to unranked Stanford. Auburn survived Bama and Kansas topped Iowa State in two down-to-the wire games. Chris Beard's Longhorns beat Porter Moser's Sooners by 14.

in an empty arena, no less.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on January 12, 2022, 12:45:44 PM
in an empty arena, no less.

I was thinking about it.  Outside the benefit of not having a raucous crowd with a decidedly home court advantage, I'm not so sure the empty stadium helps the road team.  Empty echoing gym makes it hard to feel like a normal game and makes it ever more clear that you're in a foreign arena and nothing to feed off of.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: brewcity77 on January 12, 2022, 12:53:28 PM
Auburn is really damn good.  Pearl’s best team there, Final Four squad included.  3 really good transfers, plus Jabari Smith. They withstood a furious Bama rally and then somehow won a slugfest in the last 3 min on the road.  Rough as nails

I've had them as a 1-seed for a couple weeks now and think they might deserve the #1 ranking as well. Their win over LSU is the best win any of the 1-loss teams have and their only loss, UConn on a neutral, is also probably the best loss of any 1-loss teams. Their 9 Q1+2 wins are more than any other team (Wisconsin has 8, no one else has more than 7). That team is loaded and a legit national title contender.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 12, 2022, 01:03:25 PM
I was thinking about it.  Outside the benefit of not having a raucous crowd with a decidedly home court advantage, I'm not so sure the empty stadium helps the road team.  Empty echoing gym makes it hard to feel like a normal game and makes it ever more clear that you're in a foreign arena and nothing to feed off of.

agreed. It's like practice for the home team.

Thought Stanford rarely fills the place and the student section is too concerned about getting back to their dorms to study to cheer loud.

I've had them as a 1-seed for a couple weeks now and think they might deserve the #1 ranking as well. Their win over LSU is the best win any of the 1-loss teams have and their only loss, UConn on a neutral, is also probably the best loss of any 1-loss teams. Their 9 Q1+2 wins are more than any other team (Wisconsin has 8, no one else has more than 7). That team is loaded and a legit national title contender.

You get what you pay for.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: LAZER on January 12, 2022, 04:01:23 PM
Fun night for college hoops.

The last two unbeaten teams -- Baylor and USC -- lost. Baylor blew a 15-point lead at home in falling to Texas Tech. USC lost on the road to unranked Stanford. Auburn survived Bama and Kansas topped Iowa State in two down-to-the wire games. Chris Beard's Longhorns beat Porter Moser's Sooners by 14.
I'm interested to see what Adams does at Tech and how Beard does without him.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on January 12, 2022, 05:22:31 PM
I'm interested to see what Adams does at Tech and how Beard does without him.

Interested in the former, but Beard will be fine.  He was a successful coach at all random levels before joining up with Adams at UALR and I have trouble chalking up too much of his quick success at TTU to just a talented assistant.  Especially since he'll be able to recruit better and easier at Texas.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: LAZER on January 13, 2022, 10:12:10 AM
Interested in the former, but Beard will be fine.  He was a successful coach at all random levels before joining up with Adams at UALR and I have trouble chalking up too much of his quick success at TTU to just a talented assistant.  Especially since he'll be able to recruit better and easier at Texas.
Yeah I'm not saying Beard will be a flop at UT and his defense is still awesome, but sometimes those assistants can make a difference.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Its DJOver on January 13, 2022, 12:02:35 PM
Cuonzo out at Mizzou. Freeing up a new spot for Crean to land when UGA fires him.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 13, 2022, 01:22:50 PM
Cuonzo out at Mizzou. Freeing up a new spot for Crean to land when UGA fires him.


I think you fell for a parody account.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Its DJOver on January 13, 2022, 01:27:53 PM

I think you fell for a parody account.

Oops, mea cupla.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on January 13, 2022, 05:31:19 PM
Parody or not, Crean's next spot is behind a desk and in front of a camera.  He's not gonna get a good P5 job straight away.  And I don't know that a mid 50s coach who loves the spotlight with stops at BE, SEC, and B10 schools wants to coach in the MVC or CUSA.  He's good in studio, he's seemingly gotten more relatable and likeable over the last 5+ years, he'd be a good fit at ESPN/FS1/CBS
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: NolongerWarriors on January 13, 2022, 08:05:49 PM
Badgers do it again.  And without being carried by Davis.

They have a ton of Q1 wins.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: tower912 on January 13, 2022, 08:20:39 PM
Well done.  Way to know your role.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: We R Final Four on January 13, 2022, 09:08:02 PM
Badgers do it again.  And without being carried by Davis.

They have a ton of Q1 wins.
Bottom half of the Big ten we were told.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: NolongerWarriors on January 13, 2022, 10:48:33 PM

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Wisconsin is 14-1 with Johnny Davis in the lineup and this team has a RESUME.

Badgers now own SEVEN Quad 1 wins --- the most in college basketball.

Only loss at full strength is at Ohio State.
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Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 14, 2022, 12:11:46 AM
Gonzaga wins 110-84 over BYU and it wasn’t even that close. Shot 69% fir the game.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 14, 2022, 06:23:33 AM
Gonzaga wins 110-84 over BYU and it wasn’t even that close. Shot 69% fir the game.

When the Zags are clicking on offense, they are a beautiful watch
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Hards Alumni on January 14, 2022, 06:51:33 AM
Parody or not, Crean's next spot is behind a desk and in front of a camera.  He's not gonna get a good P5 job straight away.  And I don't know that a mid 50s coach who loves the spotlight with stops at BE, SEC, and B10 schools wants to coach in the MVC or CUSA.  He's good in studio, he's seemingly gotten more relatable and likeable over the last 5+ years, he'd be a good fit at ESPN/FS1/CBS

100%.  He's really good at it.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 14, 2022, 09:51:48 AM
Oregon/UCLA was crazy last night. Ducks lost a 6 point lead with 25 seconds left. Had to re-win it in ot last night.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Shark on January 14, 2022, 01:03:23 PM
Can someone explain how Michigan has such good Kenpom metrics still? Skimming their season I really don't get it. Do they still have preseason numbers baked in due to so few games played?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 14, 2022, 01:53:27 PM
Can someone explain how Michigan has such good Kenpom metrics still? Skimming their season I really don't get it. Do they still have preseason numbers baked in due to so few games played?

1. All of their wins are by double digits. Besides one game against #287 Prairie View A&M, all of their wins are against top 175 opponents. Winning by 37 against #140 Southern Utah and 35 at #156 Nebraska is covering up a lot of blemishes. Blowing out mediocre but not bad opponents is good for your score, a bit of a flaw in the system.

2. Their losses aren't "good" but none are "bad" either. Losing by 10 to #77 Minnesota at home is probably the worst one in KP's eyes.

3. 7/8 of their four factor numbers look solid. The only one that doesn't is defensive TO% (they don't force turnovers) which ranks 344th. 4 of the others are top 70 in the country (including the two most important ones eFG% and eFG% allowed), 5 are top 100 and 6 are top 150.

The numbers suggest that they are better than their record shows....but their 1-6 record against top 100 teams may mean that they can fatten their numbers on mediocre teams but will get beat by the good ones.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on January 15, 2022, 02:32:25 PM
Northwestern :  64
Mich St:              62

:)           
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 15, 2022, 03:13:22 PM
At somepoint Texas gonna have to prove they deserve a ranking
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on January 15, 2022, 06:37:53 PM
At somepoint Texas gonna have to prove they deserve a ranking

Are you saying they're NOT a national title contender?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Pakuni on January 16, 2022, 01:24:04 PM
Things continue to go great at Maryland.

https://www.tmz.com/2022/01/14/maryland-assistant-hoops-coach-bruce-shingler-suspended-after-prostitution-bust-arrest/?adid=social-twa

Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: panda on January 16, 2022, 02:13:09 PM
At somepoint Texas gonna have to prove they deserve a ranking

Need to hang my Texas takes in the rafters for worst of all time. They look all out of sorts.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 16, 2022, 02:27:46 PM
Need to hang my Texas takes in the rafters for worst of all time. They look all out of sorts.

Rule 1 of Scoop: Never as it you’re wrong
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: panda on January 16, 2022, 03:03:46 PM
Rule 1 of Scoop: Never as it you’re wrong

Call me the Anti Fluff
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 17, 2022, 11:58:44 AM
Purdue went on a 17-0 run on Illinois.

Up 11 at half.

Would be nice if Illinois could realize there’s a game going on
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 17, 2022, 01:14:31 PM
Great comeback by Illinois to force OT.

Curbelo is back.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: tower912 on January 17, 2022, 02:06:57 PM
Stupid Purdue.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 18, 2022, 05:35:37 PM
WVU once down 15. Gets up 3 against Baylor.

Proceeded to start launching contested 3s.

They also have missed no joke maybe 13 straight lay ups/tap ins.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 18, 2022, 05:48:41 PM
WVU once down 15. Gets up 3 against Baylor.

Proceeded to start launching contested 3s.

They also have missed no joke maybe 13 straight lay ups/tap ins.

As a Big XII consumer through the years, that’s classic West Virginia.  They’re a fun team to follow from the outside but I can imagine the fanbase has other opinions
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 18, 2022, 05:56:42 PM
As a Big XII consumer through the years, that’s classic West Virginia.  They’re a fun team to follow from the outside but I can imagine the fanbase has other opinions

Yeah since messaging that it really hasn’t improved.

And having Osobeuien go to the line after biffing the lay up is like automatic And 1 becoming 0.

Shame that Mayer and Cryer are both shooting outta their minds in this one
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 18, 2022, 07:45:59 PM
Bonnies sure as hell not helping our metrics
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 18, 2022, 07:48:23 PM
Bonnies sure as hell not helping our metrics

Neither is Ole Miss.  It’s gotten worse.  They’re down 25 to Mizzou.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 18, 2022, 07:58:30 PM
Neither is Ole Miss

Jesus
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 18, 2022, 08:12:13 PM
Kansas fouls up 3 with :10 left against Oklahoma and wins by 3.  OU made both FTs and fouled KU who made both FTs.  OU had to heave a 52’ shot to try and tie.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on January 18, 2022, 08:18:02 PM
D. Garcia had 3pts tonight in a 85-57 loss to Miami.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 18, 2022, 08:46:06 PM
Bonnies sure as hell not helping our metrics

That’s an expected result. Ole Miss, not so much
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 18, 2022, 10:04:36 PM
That’s an expected result. Ole Miss, not so much

Expected to lose? Yes

By 18? No.

I think Dayton was favored by like 5.5 or something
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: BM1090 on January 18, 2022, 10:09:48 PM
Expected to lose? Yes

By 18? No.

I think Dayton was favored by like 5.5 or something

Bonnies were favored by one
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 18, 2022, 10:10:43 PM
Bonnies were favored by one

Wow, I probably looked at wrong game.

Then yeah, that proves my point even more haha
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: BM1090 on January 18, 2022, 10:12:50 PM
Wow, I probably looked at wrong game.

Then yeah, that proves my point even more haha

Yep. Opened at +2.5 but moved all the way to -1.5 in some places. Saw -1 at most books. Certainly wasn’t a guaranteed loss, although I probably would have leaned towards Dayton if I bet that one.

Big win for KSU. Texas clearly misses Shaka.

Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Galway Eagle on January 19, 2022, 08:34:18 AM
D. Garcia had 3pts tonight in a 85-57 loss to Miami.

No way he stays at UNC after this year right?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on January 19, 2022, 08:51:39 AM
Result for Duke yesterday aside, Banchero is so far beyond Holmgren in NBA readiness at this point is not even debatable. He’s really good and really smooth
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on January 19, 2022, 08:53:00 AM
No way he stays at UNC after this year right?

He's not exactly lightning it up Galway.  And his FG% is pretty poor.  I would also be alarmed as an NBA scout with his career assist numbers. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Galway Eagle on January 19, 2022, 08:56:35 AM
He's not exactly lightning it up Galway.  And his FG% is pretty poor.  I would also be alarmed as an NBA scout with his career assist numbers.

That's my point. I imagine he'd try to go home to Minnesota if he's going to play another year of college.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: pbiflyer on January 19, 2022, 09:10:35 AM
That's my point. I imagine he'd try to go home to Minnesota if he's going to play another year of college.

Maybe he should have looked for a coach that has a history of getting long lean bigs into the league.......
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on January 19, 2022, 09:11:42 AM
That's my point. I imagine he'd try to go home to Minnesota if he's going to play another year of college.

I think both he and Joey have a lot of offensive ability but it appears both were overrated hs talents.  I can't see either of them guarding anyone at the NBA level.  Sam on the other hand is the far better overall player....and on both ends of the floor.   I was never enamored by the fact that both DG and JH could handle the ball at their height.  It's about what they can do with the ball off the bounce.  We heard the same thing about Ellenson.  .7 dimes is an astonishingly low number and I don't think Garcia shoots particularly well off the dribble other than taking advantage of his size in the paint. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: cheebs09 on January 19, 2022, 09:23:33 AM
Garcia would have to sit a year since he already used an immediate transfer, right?

I’d be a little surprised if he sat out a year.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 19, 2022, 09:45:21 AM
I think both he and Joey have a lot of offensive ability but it appears both were overrated hs talents.  I can't see either of them guarding anyone at the NBA level.  Sam on the other hand is the far better overall player....and on both ends of the floor.   I was never enamored by the fact that both DG and JH could handle the ball at their height.  It's about what they can do with the ball off the bounce.  We heard the same thing about Ellenson.  .7 dimes is an astonishingly low number and I don't think Garcia shoots particularly well off the dribble other than taking advantage of his size in the paint.

Wojo gets a lot of deserved crap here, but how he used Joey, Garcia and Ellenson may be their high water marks.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: wadesworld on January 19, 2022, 09:50:04 AM
Result for Duke yesterday aside, Banchero is so far beyond Holmgren in NBA readiness at this point is not even debatable. He’s really good and really smooth

Smith > Banchero >>>>>>>> Chet >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bates

I remember when Bates was supposed to be the best player we've seen since KD was coming up.  And that he was supposed to be the next KD.  Oops.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on January 19, 2022, 10:04:25 AM
Smith > Banchero >>>>>>>> Chet >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bates

I remember when Bates was supposed to be the best player we've seen since KD was coming up.  And that he was supposed to be the next KD.  Oops.
I believe Nolongerwarriors was screeching that.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 19, 2022, 10:05:17 AM
Wojo gets a lot of deserved crap here, but how he used Joey, Garcia and Ellenson may be their high water marks.


Maybe I am missing something, but his stats show that he is by and large the same player at UNC than he was a MU.  Just playing less.

The weirdest thing is that he is shooting worse from 2, and better from 3.  EFG is down overall.  But everything else is pretty much similar when the difference in minutes is accounted for.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 19, 2022, 10:07:53 AM
Also keep in mind that Garcia is coming off a concussion. That may be responsible for his recent drop in production.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 19, 2022, 10:24:51 AM
Also keep in mind that Garcia is coming off a concussion. That may be responsible for his recent drop in production.

His stats were very inconsistent pre concussion too.

His 3 ball has been bad since then concussion tho. Law of averages or injury who knows
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 19, 2022, 11:04:14 AM
No way he stays at UNC after this year right?

he will have to sit if he leaves.

What happens to his six figures in NIL deals if he leaves though? Right now that's more than he'll make in the Bosnian professional league.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Galway Eagle on January 19, 2022, 11:37:43 AM
he will have to sit if he leaves.

What happens to his six figures in NIL deals if he leaves though? Right now that's more than he'll make in the Bosnian professional league.

He's making 6 figures now? How is that sustainable for businesses? I mean seriously, there's got to be a negligible return on that marketing investment if any. I mean if it's was a publicly traded company couldn't that almost be considered mismanagement of funds?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: brewcity77 on January 19, 2022, 11:37:52 AM
At somepoint Texas gonna have to prove they deserve a ranking

After yesterday, they finally have a Quadrant 1 win...

...on the road at K-State, which is only Q1 because they won at Texas :D
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on January 19, 2022, 11:46:38 AM
He's making 6 figures now? How is that sustainable for businesses? I mean seriously, there's got to be a negligible return on that marketing investment if any. I mean if it's was a publicly traded company couldn't that almost be considered mismanagement of funds?

I don't mean this at all condescendingly, but you clearly don't have an experience in advertising or media buying.  If you think failed marketing or sponsorship efforts are "mismanagement of funds" I don't know what to tell you otherwise.  I worked at a publicly traded company that did a $5MM event sponsorship/PR campaign/marketing effort that had about 25% of the expected attendance, saw no noticeable brand impact, and didn't lead to any further steps on the planned marketing path for that product.  The general reaction was "welp, lesson learned, don't do that in the future" and one director probably got passed over for a promotion that cycle.

I assure you public companies spend FARRRR more, comparatively and scaled, on advertising/marketing ventures that have spurious returns.  There are plenty of businesses who do advertising that is strictly "brand building" aka there is no direct path to purchase from the vast majority of people they advertise to, companies like Boeing, Dow, etc...

If a top athlete at a local university gives the brand association with that team or puts them in the eyeballs of that player's followers, that works.  Its not always 1 for 1. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 19, 2022, 12:16:08 PM

Maybe I am missing something, but his stats show that he is by and large the same player at UNC than he was a MU.  Just playing less.

The weirdest thing is that he is shooting worse from 2, and better from 3.  EFG is down overall.  But everything else is pretty much similar when the difference in minutes is accounted for.

Usage. Including playing a lot less. Wojo seemed to run a lot of plays to position them for succcess based on their abilities. Obviously, all three moved on to higher levels teams, but look at Garcia, he dominated the team he transferred to this year.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 19, 2022, 12:26:17 PM
Usage. Including playing a lot less. Wojo seemed to run a lot of plays to position them for succcess based on their abilities. Obviously, all three moved on to higher levels teams, but look at Garcia, he dominated the team he transferred to this year.

His usage is actually UP this year.  23.6% v. 22.0%.  It is down since conference season though, which means by the end of this year it will likely be lower.

But even his usage last year wasn't obscene.  The difference in usage last year between first (Carton at 24.7) and fourth (McEwen at 20.8) wasn't significantly different.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Galway Eagle on January 19, 2022, 12:29:42 PM
I don't mean this at all condescendingly, but you clearly don't have an experience in advertising or media buying.  If you think failed marketing or sponsorship efforts are "mismanagement of funds" I don't know what to tell you otherwise.  I worked at a publicly traded company that did a $5MM event sponsorship/PR campaign/marketing effort that had about 25% of the expected attendance, saw no noticeable brand impact, and didn't lead to any further steps on the planned marketing path for that product.  The general reaction was "welp, lesson learned, don't do that in the future" and one director probably got passed over for a promotion that cycle.

I assure you public companies spend FARRRR more, comparatively and scaled, on advertising/marketing ventures that have spurious returns.  There are plenty of businesses who do advertising that is strictly "brand building" aka there is no direct path to purchase from the vast majority of people they advertise to, companies like Boeing, Dow, etc...

If a top athlete at a local university gives the brand association with that team or puts them in the eyeballs of that player's followers, that works.  Its not always 1 for 1.

This is awkward but since grad school I've done Marketing Analytics for CDW and now Omnicom. At CDW we actually could trace a return to sponsorship of the PGA tour because the director required some type of benchmarking to approve continuing the sponsorship. I should probably quit while I'm ahead though since I don't have media buying experience  :-X

I assumed that it'd be mismanagement because I'm assuming (my bad) that these are existing UNC stakeholders throwing capitol at bench players to keep them happy. Every campaign should have established benchmarks that they need to meet for whatever KPIs that the strategy team came up with during the planning phase.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 19, 2022, 12:36:07 PM
His usage is actually UP this year.  23.6% v. 22.0%.  It is down since conference season though, which means by the end of this year it will likely be lower.

But even his usage last year wasn't obscene.  The difference in usage last year between first (Carton at 24.7) and fourth (McEwen at 20.8) wasn't significantly different.

Usage has many definitions. You are using one from Pomeroy. I am also using minutes (way down) and how he/they are being used and featured within an offense.

Garcia, Joey and Henry were outside-in players under Wojo, and now they are more inside-out.  They are now primarily in the paint players.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 19, 2022, 12:39:17 PM
https://twitter.com/xavier_sanchez4/status/1483794207538089988?s=21

Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Galway Eagle on January 19, 2022, 12:41:59 PM
https://twitter.com/xavier_sanchez4/status/1483794207538089988?s=21

Definitely star that for next badger hate week!
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on January 19, 2022, 12:53:40 PM
This is awkward but since grad school I've done Marketing Analytics for CDW and now Omnicom. At CDW we actually could trace a return to sponsorship of the PGA tour because the director required some type of benchmarking to approve continuing the sponsorship. I should probably quit while I'm ahead though since I don't have media buying experience  :-X

I assumed that it'd be mismanagement because I'm assuming (my bad) that these are existing UNC stakeholders throwing capitol at bench players to keep them happy. Every campaign should have established benchmarks that they need to meet for whatever KPIs that the strategy team came up with during the planning phase.

Coming from both the media agency side and then the company side, the returns on brand building sponsorships and spend is hazy at best.  It can be done, and plenty of companies do it, but I remember seeing directly how it could slide and vary.  I mean, Boeing used to use "brand favorability" metrics and ratings to comp and justify their media buys and ad spending.  Not the most precise tools, especially when its not a digital property.

Hell, major professional sports in general is almost always negative return.  I worked for 3 years on MillerCoors media business.  NFL, NBA, college sports spending, that wasn't incredibly targeted or niche (aka some of the AA focused NBA work, smaller digital properties or buckets for the NFL, etc...) was almost always a money pit from a direct return on spend.  However, it was to get your name and brands out there and affiliated with sports and the fervor around it, and it paid back in other ways.

YMMV but thats my experiences.  As for bias cause UNC stakeholders like a player or whatnot, I know for a FACT that multiple Gatorade sponsored athletes in the early 2010s were chosen over others due to their current team or alma maters being favored or affiliated by higher ups in branding at the company t the time.  So while it might seem more likely for a car dealership to throw some cash at a random UNC player cause the owner is a fan, its not unheard of for it to happen at the mega level too.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 19, 2022, 12:58:42 PM
https://twitter.com/xavier_sanchez4/status/1483794207538089988?s=21

As much as I wanna talk sh!t, there’s there’s no doubt in my mind that a Marquette fan has done something similar and just hasn’t been caught on camera.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 19, 2022, 01:05:02 PM
I don't mean this at all condescendingly, but you clearly don't have an experience in advertising or media buying.  If you think failed marketing or sponsorship efforts are "mismanagement of funds" I don't know what to tell you otherwise.  I worked at a publicly traded company that did a $5MM event sponsorship/PR campaign/marketing effort that had about 25% of the expected attendance, saw no noticeable brand impact, and didn't lead to any further steps on the planned marketing path for that product.  The general reaction was "welp, lesson learned, don't do that in the future" and one director probably got passed over for a promotion that cycle.

I assure you public companies spend FARRRR more, comparatively and scaled, on advertising/marketing ventures that have spurious returns.  There are plenty of businesses who do advertising that is strictly "brand building" aka there is no direct path to purchase from the vast majority of people they advertise to, companies like Boeing, Dow, etc...

If a top athlete at a local university gives the brand association with that team or puts them in the eyeballs of that player's followers, that works.  Its not always 1 for 1.

I don't know if you saw the article last week about Texas A&M boosters allegedly shelling out upwards of $30million for this year's recruiting class (likely a violation of Texas state law and the NCAA is investigating, not that Jimbo cares). The money Dawson is getting is likely coming from booster owned companies. They would have spent it on UNC in one way or the other.

Here's the A&M article about how it's being done:  https://brobible.com/sports/article/texas-am-recruiting-class-nil-money/ (though the article in incorrect in saying it's legal. NIL money cannot be contingent on a recruit attending an institution or directly, or indirectly, facilitated by the institution).
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 19, 2022, 01:11:53 PM
I don't know if you saw the article last week about Texas A&M boosters allegedly shelling out upwards of $30million for this year's recruiting class (likely a violation of Texas state law and the NCAA is investigating, not that Jimbo cares). The money Dawson is getting is likely coming from booster owned companies. They would have spent it on UNC in one way or the other.

Here's the A&M article about how it's being done:  https://brobible.com/sports/article/texas-am-recruiting-class-nil-money/ (though the article in incorrect in saying it's legal. NIL money cannot be contingent on a recruit attending an institution or directly, or indirectly, facilitated by the institution).

Texas A&M is in so much trouble
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 19, 2022, 01:16:10 PM
Texas A&M is in so much trouble

The SEC: If you're not cheating you're not trying.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on January 19, 2022, 03:36:58 PM
As much as I wanna talk sh!t, there’s there’s no doubt in my mind that a Marquette fan has done something similar and just hasn’t been caught on camera.

Marquette also doesn't have the reputation of a lilywhite basketball team, thinking they do stuff "the right/classy way", and way to disregard almost every, primarily black, recruit that spurns their basketball team as likely academically deficient.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 20, 2022, 10:26:38 AM
Is comparing Woj vs Boom Shaka Lakka even a thang. I mean, one dude is a Timex, the other is a Rolex, aina?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: VanderBlueFanClub on January 20, 2022, 02:35:36 PM
Still can't believe that LSU lost to Alabama, I find this especially crazy due to fact that LSU has one of if not the best defenses in college basketball this year. I always thought the Bama was too offensive sided guard heavy in a conference that requires hard-nosed defense and bigs.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 20, 2022, 02:43:08 PM
Still can't believe that LSU lost to Alabama, I find this especially crazy due to fact that LSU has one of if not the best defenses in college basketball this year. I always thought the Bama was too offensive sided guard heavy in a conference that requires hard-nosed defense and bigs.


It does???
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 20, 2022, 02:52:57 PM
Still can't believe that LSU lost to Alabama, I find this especially crazy due to fact that LSU has one of if not the best defenses in college basketball this year. I always thought the Bama was too offensive sided guard heavy in a conference that requires hard-nosed defense and bigs.

Can't believe it?

LSU was down 2 key players and were dogs in the game.

Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: We R Final Four on January 20, 2022, 05:23:06 PM
Is comparing Woj vs Boom Shaka Lakka even a thang. I mean, one dude is a Timex, the other is a Rolex, aina?
That’s twice today.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 20, 2022, 08:29:15 PM
Purdue with a nice choke
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Skatastrophy on January 20, 2022, 08:31:28 PM
It's Indiana, it's Indiana
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Pakuni on January 20, 2022, 08:33:23 PM
Purdue with a nice choke

For a really good team, Purdue takes a lot of bad shots.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: tower912 on January 20, 2022, 08:35:34 PM
Including a last second 3, since IU didn't foul up 3.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 20, 2022, 08:45:15 PM
That’s twice today.

What is a broken watch?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on January 20, 2022, 09:03:36 PM
What is a broken watch?
Bob Dukiet
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 20, 2022, 09:39:45 PM
https://twitter.com/TorresontheVols/status/1484369723370340359 (https://twitter.com/TorresontheVols/status/1484369723370340359)

Penny's days may be number

What an all time meltdown of stupidity.

Don't judge him for sucking with the #2 recruiting class? You chose to go for young NBA talent
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Pakuni on January 20, 2022, 09:59:37 PM
I don't know if you saw the article last week about Texas A&M boosters allegedly shelling out upwards of $30million for this year's recruiting class (likely a violation of Texas state law and the NCAA is investigating, not that Jimbo cares). The money Dawson is getting is likely coming from booster owned companies. They would have spent it on UNC in one way or the other.

Here's the A&M article about how it's being done:  https://brobible.com/sports/article/texas-am-recruiting-class-nil-money/ (though the article in incorrect in saying it's legal. NIL money cannot be contingent on a recruit attending an institution or directly, or indirectly, facilitated by the institution).

The source of that report?
"According to a message board user who goes by SlicedBread ..."

That's about as rock solid as it gets
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on January 20, 2022, 10:25:43 PM
https://twitter.com/TorresontheVols/status/1484369723370340359 (https://twitter.com/TorresontheVols/status/1484369723370340359)

Penny's days may be number

What an all time meltdown of stupidity.

Don't judge him for sucking with the #2 recruiting class? You chose to go for young NBA talent

Oh boy.

When you can't take the famously vicious Memphis media, it probably means you need to go coach in New York, Philly or Boston, where the media is much friendlier.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 20, 2022, 10:32:13 PM
Could be an interesting late night game tonight on CBSSN. San Francisco up on #1 Gonzaga.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 20, 2022, 10:58:34 PM
Could be an interesting late night game tonight on CBSSN. San Francisco up on #1 Gonzaga.

UCLA trailing to awful Utah in the 1st half too
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on January 20, 2022, 11:09:10 PM
https://twitter.com/TorresontheVols/status/1484369723370340359 (https://twitter.com/TorresontheVols/status/1484369723370340359)

Penny's days may be number

What an all time meltdown of stupidity.

Don't judge him for sucking with the #2 recruiting class? You chose to go for young NBA talent

I honestly don’t think it was stupid.  But it was a choice that he made.  I don’t think the media or the casual fan realizes that it’s not easy to just roll the ball out with a bunch of one and dones.  What Cal does at UK is harder than it looks and even he isn’t consistently top 10 as of late.

Penny is learning that major college basketball is way different than coaching AAU.  He has plenty of faults there, but I do think people just assume top recruits=non stop winning
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: jesmu84 on January 20, 2022, 11:43:17 PM
https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3402836/memphis-played-tonight-which-means-memphis-lost-again-and-penny-lost-his-crap-blaming-the-media-for-disrespecting-him#story-comments

More on Penny.

Memphis has a "resurgence" under him? Multiple top classes? Let's all be clear he was/is cheating in recruiting. Maybe not anymore with NIL.

Likely similar to Michigan under Juwan.

And absolutely shenanigans under Drew at Baylor.

Oh well though. Cheaters never prosper, right?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: jesmu84 on January 20, 2022, 11:45:05 PM
I don't know if you saw the article last week about Texas A&M boosters allegedly shelling out upwards of $30million for this year's recruiting class (likely a violation of Texas state law and the NCAA is investigating, not that Jimbo cares). The money Dawson is getting is likely coming from booster owned companies. They would have spent it on UNC in one way or the other.

Here's the A&M article about how it's being done:  https://brobible.com/sports/article/texas-am-recruiting-class-nil-money/ (though the article in incorrect in saying it's legal. NIL money cannot be contingent on a recruit attending an institution or directly, or indirectly, facilitated by the institution).

"NCAA is investigating"...

When are all those punishments coming out for the coaches and programs involved in the FBi investigation?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 21, 2022, 04:30:14 AM
For a really good team, Purdue takes a lot of bad shots.

Purdue has been pretty “meh” since December
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 21, 2022, 07:43:37 AM
I don't know if you saw the article last week about Texas A&M boosters allegedly shelling out upwards of $30million for this year's recruiting class (likely a violation of Texas state law and the NCAA is investigating, not that Jimbo cares). The money Dawson is getting is likely coming from booster owned companies. They would have spent it on UNC in one way or the other.

Here's the A&M article about how it's being done:  https://brobible.com/sports/article/texas-am-recruiting-class-nil-money/ (though the article in incorrect in saying it's legal. NIL money cannot be contingent on a recruit attending an institution or directly, or indirectly, facilitated by the institution).


Really, not that many people care about this stuff anymore.  If the kids get the money, it's fine.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on January 21, 2022, 08:21:09 AM
NM
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: lawdog77 on January 21, 2022, 08:54:53 AM
NM
Take that to the Hangin at the Al Board.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 21, 2022, 08:12:51 PM
Illinois played really well
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on January 21, 2022, 10:02:39 PM
Didn't Mich St. lose to Northwestern?  I'm starting to forget things as I get older. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: BM1090 on January 21, 2022, 10:23:06 PM
It’s always the same guys. Can’t know intent but Davison doesn’t deserve the benefit of the doubt.

https://twitter.com/SteveBmSu/status/1484716132212908032?s=20
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 21, 2022, 10:27:08 PM
Despite Davison being a dirtbag, the Spartans win in Madison.  Look for many stories about Brad reading the Bible this week
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: cheebs09 on January 21, 2022, 11:29:17 PM
It’s always the same guys. Can’t know intent but Davison doesn’t deserve the benefit of the doubt.

https://twitter.com/SteveBmSu/status/1484716132212908032?s=20

That looks pretty blatant to me. Kept his leg extended and trying to swing it at the guy. Same old. Same old.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on January 21, 2022, 11:45:42 PM

Really, not that many people care about this stuff anymore.  If the kids get the money, it's fine.

Yep. The only kind of cheating that really should matter is academic -- like the huge scandal at UNC for more than a decade that the NCAA pretended didn't exist.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on January 22, 2022, 02:21:17 AM
That looks pretty blatant to me. Kept his leg extended and trying to swing it at the guy. Same old. Same old.

They do a disservice to Grayson Allen by mentioning him with Davison.  Allen did a bunch of petulant chippy acting/lashing out.  Davison plays flat out dirty and has a good half dozen blatant examples of actions that could seriously hurt an opponent, beyond just tripping or pushing someone.

If he truly is a good, nice guy off the court, he needs some therapy cause he’s got some wires crossed when competition is involved
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 22, 2022, 05:57:38 AM
They do a disservice to Grayson Allen by mentioning him with Davison.  Allen did a bunch of petulant chippy acting/lashing out.  Davison plays flat out dirty and has a good half dozen blatant examples of actions that could seriously hurt an opponent, beyond just tripping or pushing someone.

If he truly is a good, nice guy off the court, he needs some therapy cause he’s got some wires crossed when competition is involved

Hope you didn’t Grayson’s foul last night. 😳
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on January 22, 2022, 06:15:08 AM
It’s always the same guys. Can’t know intent but Davison doesn’t deserve the benefit of the doubt.

https://twitter.com/SteveBmSu/status/1484716132212908032?s=20

It looks intentional to me.. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: LON on January 22, 2022, 07:43:10 AM
Hope you didn’t Grayson’s foul last night. 😳

That was some real dirty stuff.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 22, 2022, 10:13:12 AM
Don't be judge, jury, and executioner. We don't know what went on to get to that point. Caruso may have been pokin' at Allen's heritage or family. Besides, dis iz hour house and you kant just stroll down da lane untouched, aina?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 22, 2022, 12:34:09 PM
Duke taking Syracuse behind the woodshed
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on January 22, 2022, 12:41:08 PM
It’s always the same guys. Can’t know intent but Davison doesn’t deserve the benefit of the doubt.

https://twitter.com/SteveBmSu/status/1484716132212908032?s=20
What a detestable little piece of crap he is.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: panda on January 22, 2022, 02:29:28 PM
What a detestable little piece of crap he is.

thug
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 22, 2022, 04:43:46 PM
Relax, Grayson just plays the game with his piss on, hey?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: VanderBlueFanClub on January 23, 2022, 05:58:56 PM
thug

 Been like this since Duke.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on January 24, 2022, 07:55:00 AM
Add Bobby Hurley to the long list of failed K disciples.

He's not only losing big, but he's getting suspended and fined for being abusive to refs.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 24, 2022, 08:04:47 AM
Add Bobby Hurley to the long list of failed K disciples.

He's not only losing big, but he's getting suspended and fined for being abusive to refs.

The bottom of the PAC-12 is brutal
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 24, 2022, 08:19:12 AM
Add Bobby Hurley to the long list of failed K disciples.

He's not only losing big, but he's getting suspended and fined for being abusive to refs.


I don't think I would call him a Coach K "disciple."  He played for him, but never coached for him.  He hooked on to his brother's staff at Wagner as a second career because he wasn't very good at raising thoroughbred horses.

I think his main problem was he worked his way up the ranks really quick and never really "paid his dues."
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on January 24, 2022, 09:18:37 AM

I don't think I would call him a Coach K "disciple."  He played for him, but never coached for him.  He hooked on to his brother's staff at Wagner as a second career because he wasn't very good at raising thoroughbred horses.

I think his main problem was he worked his way up the ranks really quick and never really "paid his dues."

Reasonable.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 24, 2022, 09:43:40 AM
His brother did the exact opposite by the way.  Spent time on the bench at Rutgers, coached high school for a decade before going to Wagner, and then spent six seasons at URI before moving to UConn.  That's probably why his transition has been so much smoother.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on January 24, 2022, 12:00:56 PM
His brother did the exact opposite by the way.  Spent time on the bench at Rutgers, coached high school for a decade before going to Wagner, and then spent six seasons at URI before moving to UConn.  That's probably why his transition has been so much smoother.

Yep.  Not to mention, given what we've seen now, wonder how much of Bobby's lightning in a bottle success at Buffalo was thanks to Nate Oats.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on January 24, 2022, 02:12:53 PM
Of course, one could argue that Dan hasn't proven much, either: 11 seasons (this is #12) at 3 schools, a .500-ish conference record, 3 NCAA appearances, 2 NCAAT wins.

He does seem to have more going for him than Bobby, though.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on January 24, 2022, 03:01:33 PM
Of course, one could argue that Dan hasn't proven much, either: 11 seasons (this is #12) at 3 schools, a .500-ish conference record, 3 NCAA appearances, 2 NCAAT wins.

He does seem to have more going for him than Bobby, though.

Is it alright that I have decided I don't like both of them and am mad at myself that I didn't come to that conclusion sooner?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on January 24, 2022, 03:20:28 PM
Of course, one could argue that Dan hasn't proven much, either: 11 seasons (this is #12) at 3 schools, a .500-ish conference record, 3 NCAA appearances, 2 NCAAT wins.

He does seem to have more going for him than Bobby, though.

Circumstances matter though. 

Wagner was mediocre as hell under Deane.  Only finished above .500 in conference once 7-8 years and won only 5 games before he was booted.   In just 2 seasons, Hurley got them to a 25 win season, upsetting a ranked Pitt on the road, and finishing just behind a LIU team in the conference that had a strong run.

Then went to URI, which had done nothing post Harrick for 10+ years.  Were aggressively "ok" under Baron, again under .500 in conference for the balance of a decade.  Hurley turned them into the class of the A10 (which was rapidly improving) in the span of 5 years.  Won the first URI NCAA game in 20 years and the first back to back NCAA appearances in that time.

That to me is a program builder/turnaround artist.   Remains to be seen what he does fully at UCONN, but the work at those 2 schools, plus being an absolute beast at St Benedicts is a pretty solid coaching bonafide.  Not sure what else he could have "proven" pre-UCONN.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 24, 2022, 03:24:16 PM
Circumstances matter though. 

Wagner was mediocre as hell under Deane.  Only finished above .500 in conference once 7-8 years and won only 5 games before he was booted.   In just 2 seasons, Hurley got them to a 25 win season, upsetting a ranked Pitt on the road, and finishing just behind a LIU team in the conference that had a strong run.

Then went to URI, which had done nothing post Harrick for 10+ years.  Were aggressively "ok" under Baron, again under .500 in conference for the balance of a decade.  Hurley turned them into the class of the A10 (which was rapidly improving) in the span of 5 years.  Won the first URI NCAA game in 20 years and the first back to back NCAA appearances in that time.

That to me is a program builder/turnaround artist.   Remains to be seen what he does fully at UCONN, but the work at those 2 schools, plus being an absolute beast at St Benedicts is a pretty solid coaching bonafide.  Not sure what else he could have "proven" pre-UCONN.

Danny is a good coach.  He did great work at URI. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on January 24, 2022, 04:11:22 PM
Circumstances matter though. 

That to me is a program builder/turnaround artist.   Remains to be seen what he does fully at UCONN.

Agree. And agree.

Beyond that ... we'll see!
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 24, 2022, 06:28:11 PM
Chris Mack is going to get fired tomorrow at this rate. He obviously can't come back next year, and getting annihilated at UVA is rock bottom.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Galway Eagle on January 24, 2022, 06:31:58 PM
Chris Mack is going to get fired tomorrow at this rate. He obviously can't come back next year, and getting annihilated at UVA is rock bottom.

Would Xavier fire Steele and try to make a run at Mack again? A lot of fans are really unhappy with Steele
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 24, 2022, 06:47:14 PM
Chris Mack is going to get fired tomorrow at this rate. He obviously can't come back next year, and getting annihilated at UVA is rock bottom.


Chris Mack is a great example why coaches are leery about leaving good jobs at power schools.  He was set for life at Xavier, and while it was good of him to take a shot at Louisville, where he lands next is going to be interesting.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 24, 2022, 07:22:24 PM
Would Xavier fire Steele and try to make a run at Mack again? A lot of fans are really unhappy with Steele

probably not, but Butler will fire Jordan tonight if they thought they could get Mack.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on January 24, 2022, 08:53:43 PM

Chris Mack is a great example why coaches are leery about leaving good jobs at power schools.  He was set for life at Xavier, and while it was good of him to take a shot at Louisville, where he lands next is going to be interesting.

I said at the time that Mack was making a big mistake .  You don't mess with happy and success. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on January 24, 2022, 09:05:25 PM
Which is the best conf among the AAC, WCC, or ACC?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: BM1090 on January 24, 2022, 09:10:11 PM
Which is the best conf among the AAC, WCC, or ACC?

ACC and it isn’t close. I’m not even sure that the ACC is the worst major conference. Could be the P12.

AAC and WCC are close.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on January 25, 2022, 01:29:39 AM
I said at the time that Mack was making a big mistake .  You don't mess with happy and success.

I think it’s 2 things.

1) Mack may have felt like he was topping out at Xavier.  His last 3 teams had as good of talent as he ever had.  Blueitt, Sumner, Marshall, Macura.  His E8 run was kind of a fluke as that team wasn’t that great and the season before they were a 2 seed and got upset.  Might not of felt like he was gonna be able to get a F4 at Xavier.

2) he got a BIIIIGGG pay bump.   Went from 1.5ish to $4MM moving to Louisville.  That coupled with the previous point is compelling.  It’s not jumping to a P6 job at a crap school.  You’re getting a big bump to head to a historic program.

3) not a likely top of kind consideration, but if he moved to Ville and struggled, especially given sanctions and everything, he’d have 0 issue getting a Xavier like job in short order
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 25, 2022, 03:56:08 PM
Lots of whispers that Mack is out at Louisville.  Tonight's radio show is cancelled and their Athletic Association board was called into a meeting not previously scheduled.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Herman Cain on January 25, 2022, 03:58:24 PM
Atlanta Journal Constitution article on Georgia Basketball
https://www.ajc.com/sports/georgia-bulldogs/no-quantifiable-measure-how-bad-georgia-basketball-wants-to-win/QLYI2AK65FEP3MAVDRJTCJLBDY/
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 25, 2022, 03:59:33 PM
Lots of whispers that Mack is out at Louisville.  Tonight's radio show is cancelled and their Athletic Association board was called into a meeting not previously scheduled.

Yeah, last night I was actually impressed that they came back against a putrid UVA team, they made a game out of it at least.

I thought if they got drubbed last night, there was no way he could coach another game there.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Pakuni on January 25, 2022, 04:46:18 PM
I said at the time that Mack was making a big mistake .  You don't mess with happy and success.

He's going to get fired, and his tenure there has been a failure, but he's going to walk away with $25 million for his time in Louisville and probably won't be unemployed for long (Hello, Butler?).
Not so bad for a big mistake.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 25, 2022, 05:05:19 PM
I’m here for the Louisville fanbase vs Marquette fanbase war over Shaka that is going to start tomorrow.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 25, 2022, 05:06:49 PM
He's going to get fired, and his tenure there has been a failure, but he's going to walk away with $25 million for his time in Louisville and probably won't be unemployed for long (Hello, Butler?).
Not so bad for a big mistake.

At one point they were ranked #1 during that failure of a tenure. He made one tourney and would have made a second in 2020 (having finished tied for second in the ACC, one game behind FSU). Their season was significantly shortened last season due to COVID positives, keeping them out of the tourney. And, of course, early in his tenure, there was that pesky FBI investigation.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 25, 2022, 05:16:44 PM
Louisville needs to correct their biggest mistake and bring back Rick Pitino
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Pakuni on January 25, 2022, 05:17:26 PM
At one point they were ranked #1 during that failure of a tenure. He made one tourney and would have made a second in 2020 (having finished tied for second in the ACC, one game behind FSU). Their season was significantly shortened last season due to COVID positives, keeping them out of the tourney. And, of course, early in his tenure, there was that pesky FBI investigation.

So, a successful tenure at Louisville includes:
- Zero NCAA tourney wins
- A six-game suspension for violating university policies and COVID regulations
- Reports that you threatened to pull scholarships of players over their performance
- Seeing your KenPom ranking fall from 9 to 59 to 114 over your final three seasons
- Getting fired midseason of year four
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on January 25, 2022, 05:26:27 PM
Buzz to 'Ville!
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: jesmu84 on January 25, 2022, 05:27:01 PM
At one point they were ranked #1 during that failure of a tenure. He made one tourney and would have made a second in 2020 (having finished tied for second in the ACC, one game behind FSU). Their season was significantly shortened last season due to COVID positives, keeping them out of the tourney. And, of course, early in his tenure, there was that pesky FBI investigation.

FBI investigation?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 25, 2022, 05:59:11 PM
Mack is indeed now officially out.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on January 25, 2022, 06:01:19 PM
FBI investigation?

Dino Gaudio was being canned as an assistant and he tried to extort Mack with evidence of recruiting violations.  The FBI was involved and Gaudio got lucky he didn’t go to prison
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 25, 2022, 06:17:04 PM
FBI investigation?

The Brian Bowen/Christian Dawkins issue.

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/louisville/2020/05/04/louisville-basketball-fbi-recruiting-scandal-notice-allegations-what-to-know/2819144001/

Dino Gaudio was being canned as an assistant and he tried to extort Mack with evidence of recruiting violations.  The FBI was involved and Gaudio got lucky he didn’t go to prison

"The new charges arise from the audiotape made by Mack of former assistant coach Dino Gaudio threatening to expose NCAA violations if he is not paid until September 2022. Gaudio was informed in March that his contract was not being renewed, and his extortion attempt of Mack ensued from that meeting."

https://www.si.com/college/louisville/basketball/gaudio-audio-transcript
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: rocky_warrior on January 25, 2022, 06:18:50 PM
So Kofi is out due to concussion, but is sitting on the bench?  I thought part of sitting out was avoiding too much noise and stimulus?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Cooby Snacks on January 25, 2022, 06:24:23 PM
Is there a more perfect match for Louisville than Bruce Pearl?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: withoutbias on January 25, 2022, 06:39:42 PM
I’m here for the Louisville fanbase vs Marquette fanbase war over Shaka that is going to start tomorrow.

??
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: jesmu84 on January 25, 2022, 06:44:10 PM
The Brian Bowen/Christian Dawkins issue.

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/louisville/2020/05/04/louisville-basketball-fbi-recruiting-scandal-notice-allegations-what-to-know/2819144001/

"The new charges arise from the audiotape made by Mack of former assistant coach Dino Gaudio threatening to expose NCAA violations if he is not paid until September 2022. Gaudio was informed in March that his contract was not being renewed, and his extortion attempt of Mack ensued from that meeting."

https://www.si.com/college/louisville/basketball/gaudio-audio-transcript

Oh.. Has the been any fallout from this? Was Louisville the only school caught by the FBI doing stuff?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 25, 2022, 06:51:42 PM
Oh.. Has the been any fallout from this? Was Louisville the only school caught by the FBI doing stuff?

Louisville kept successfully delaying it as they pushed it to the IRP and then had the notice amended with the other sanctions. It did loom over the program and hurt recruiting.

Mack should have done what Arizona did and start recruiting a bunch of international kids who had no idea what was going on with the program when they were recruited.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on January 25, 2022, 06:56:24 PM
He's going to get fired, and his tenure there has been a failure, but he's going to walk away with $25 million for his time in Louisville and probably won't be unemployed for long (Hello, Butler?).
Not so bad for a big mistake.

That's true.  Butler or Gtown for Mack?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: jesmu84 on January 25, 2022, 07:16:00 PM
Louisville kept successfully delaying it as they pushed it to the IRP and then had the notice amended with the other sanctions. It did loom over the program and hurt recruiting.

Mack should have done what Arizona did and start recruiting a bunch of international kids who had no idea what was going on with the program when they were recruited.

What was Louisville's punishment?

Arizona was also investigated by the FBI?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 25, 2022, 07:36:48 PM
Georgia beats Alabama now on the hardwood.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 25, 2022, 07:39:46 PM
Georgia beats Alabama now on the hardwood.

Shaka gave Tommy some coaching tips Sunday.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Pakuni on January 25, 2022, 07:53:12 PM
Georgia beats Alabama now on the hardwood.

Georgia fans chanting "Just like football."
Ouch.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 25, 2022, 08:05:42 PM
??

There will be a population of Louisville fans who want to hire Shaka and will believe that if asked, Shaka would come running. They are incorrect
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 25, 2022, 08:07:48 PM
Illinois did literally everything in their power to blow that game

But MSU wouldnt quite take it
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 25, 2022, 08:08:34 PM
Sparty almost pulls off the comeback as Illinois pees down its leg in the final minutes.  Terrible game across the board
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on January 25, 2022, 08:11:41 PM
Sparty almost pulls off the comeback as Illinois pees down its leg in the final minutes.  Terrible game across the board

I don't know what to make of the B14. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 25, 2022, 08:27:33 PM
What was Louisville's punishment?

Arizona was also investigated by the FBI?

The FBI doesn’t punish NCAA programs and refused to turn over their docs until late 2019, early 2020. NCAA investigators arrived on Arizona’s campus in March 2020. I guess something happened around then that slowed down the investigation. Any ideas?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: jesmu84 on January 25, 2022, 08:30:59 PM
The FBI doesn’t punish NCAA programs and refused to turn over their docs until late 2019, early 2020. NCAA investigators arrived on Arizona’s campus in March 2020. I guess something happened around then that slowed down the investigation. Any ideas?

So the FBI investigation results and subsequent NCAA investigation and results and possible punishments at multiple schools are pending because covid slowed things down?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 25, 2022, 08:34:17 PM
The FBI investigations were dumb. Very few care because players just got the money they’d get through NIL now. The NCAA has evolved.  Time to move on.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on January 25, 2022, 08:55:06 PM
Academic fraud is the only violation that matters, or it should be.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 25, 2022, 11:08:47 PM
So the FBI investigation results and subsequent NCAA investigation and results and possible punishments at multiple schools are pending because covid slowed things down?

The FBI refusing to turn over their docs, which the NCAA went to court to get, and the NCAA having to wait until the FBI was finished investigating was the main issue.  Then COVID hit. Oh, there’s the issue of the NCAA not having subpoena power too.

https://www.si.com/college/2021/10/20/ncaa-basketball-fbi-scandal-lsu-oklahoma-state-updates
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 26, 2022, 06:16:09 AM
The FBI refusing to turn over their docs, which the NCAA went to court to get, and the NCAA having to wait until the FBI was finished investigating was the main issue.  Then COVID hit. Oh, there’s the issue of the NCAA not having subpoena power too.

https://www.si.com/college/2021/10/20/ncaa-basketball-fbi-scandal-lsu-oklahoma-state-updates

And the fact that many people really no longer care about this stuff. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 26, 2022, 08:43:32 AM
There will be a population of Louisville fans who want to hire Shaka and will believe that if asked, Shaka would come running. They are incorrect

I've seen a couple of Shaka mentions from Louisville fans but most of their fans are poo pooing the idea at this point. The most common names I have seen are Bruce Pearl and Kelvin Sampson...which is just so on brand for Louisville fans.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on January 26, 2022, 09:59:10 AM
UCLA really handled AZ last night.

funny how often Walton told us about the NBA academy in Mexico City and it was moved to San Luis (Obispo?).
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Pakuni on January 26, 2022, 10:13:23 AM
I've seen a couple of Shaka mentions from Louisville fans but most of their fans are poo pooing the idea at this point. The most common names I have seen are Bruce Pearl and Kelvin Sampson...which is just so on brand for Louisville fans.

Let's not throw stones.

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=61680.0

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=61699.msg1327131#msg1327131

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=43326.msg603859#msg603859
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 26, 2022, 12:38:22 PM
There will be a population of Louisville fans who want to hire Shaka and will believe that if asked, Shaka would come running. They are incorrect

will there?  Seems like that's projection.

It's all about Pearl there and allegedly he is interested. Sampson will be mentioned, Kenny Payne, Scott Drew, Eric Mussleman, Nate Oats.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: lawdog77 on January 26, 2022, 12:58:12 PM
It's all about Pearl there and allegedly he is interested.
Serious question. Why would he leave? Seems like Auburn is a good fit for him.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 26, 2022, 12:58:47 PM
Serious question. Why would he leave? Seems like Auburn is a good fit for him.

Better coeds at Louisville, well, less religious
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 26, 2022, 01:11:50 PM
will there?  Seems like that's projection.

It's all about Pearl there and allegedly he is interested. Sampson will be mentioned, Kenny Payne, Scott Drew, Eric Mussleman, Nate Oats.

Yes, there already is. He's not the main name being mentioned by their fans but as I already mentioned, his name has already been suggested by a few of their fans though the response has been negative but the majority of their fans.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: LAZER on January 26, 2022, 01:29:26 PM
I've seen a couple of Shaka mentions from Louisville fans but most of their fans are poo pooing the idea at this point. The most common names I have seen are Bruce Pearl and Kelvin Sampson...which is just so on brand for Louisville fans.
I think Sampson would be a great hire for Louisville.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Hards Alumni on January 26, 2022, 01:30:17 PM
Serious question. Why would he leave? Seems like Auburn is a good fit for him.

You ever heard of this thing called money?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 26, 2022, 01:34:07 PM
You ever heard of this thing called money?

Pearl makes just about the same that Mack did.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Hards Alumni on January 26, 2022, 01:38:12 PM
Pearl makes just about the same that Mack did.

That's nuts, didn't expect Auburn to pony up a big wad for Mr. Pearl.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: lawdog77 on January 26, 2022, 01:50:35 PM
That's nuts, didn't expect Auburn to pony up a big wad for Mr. Pearl.
I would assume he has a pretty big buyout clause if he wanted to leave as well.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on January 26, 2022, 02:28:45 PM
That's nuts, didn't expect Auburn to pony up a big wad for Mr. Pearl.

SEC booster money is next level.  Nate Oats getting a fat contract probably didn't hurt in terms of keeping up with the enemy.

Program in a conference with rich basketball history, but not much of their own.  Gets their first E8 in 30+ years and their first FF.  They were a top 5 seed the pandemic year.  After Lebo and Barbee, they are more than happy to back up the truck to keep him happy.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 26, 2022, 02:35:21 PM
SEC booster money is next level.  Nate Oats getting a fat contract probably didn't hurt in terms of keeping up with the enemy.

Program in a conference with rich basketball history, but not much of their own.  Gets their first E8 in 30+ years and their first FF.  They were a top 5 seed the pandemic year.  After Lebo and Barbee, they are more than happy to back up the truck to keep him happy.

Booster money plus TV money.  Money to burn on basketball coaches, even at schools with so-so history in basketball
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: WhiteTrash on January 26, 2022, 02:36:06 PM
That's nuts, didn't expect Auburn to pony up a big wad for Mr. Pearl.
Shows the power of football money. I bet half the students at Auburn don't even know name of the basketball coach. 100% would trade the #1 ranking in basketball for football. Same Alabama, Georgia, MSU, Texas, TCU, etc.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on January 26, 2022, 02:46:22 PM
Of all the names thrown around, Sampson makes the most sense.

Definitely would be a step up, the money will be huge, his history fits Louisville's basketball culture, and he knows he could win big there. Would he want the scrutiny that goes with it? I assume he's confident enough in his abilities that it wouldn't stop him from taking it.

Pearl fits, too. He'd slide right in there if he wanted to be at a basketball school.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on January 26, 2022, 03:02:25 PM
Shows the power of football money. I bet half the students at Auburn don't even know name of the basketball coach. 100% would trade the #1 ranking in basketball for football. Same Alabama, Georgia, MSU, Texas, TCU, etc.

Thats just patently false.  I agree with most of the rest, but come on.  They made a Final Four a couple years ago and are the #1 team in the country.  Thats not met with ambivalence, even at a football school.  I assure you most everyone in Austin knew who Rick Barnes and Shaka were.

Auburn is a big college town in the middle of nowhere.  Every game has been a sellout this year and would be if the arena sat 15K instead of 9.

Is football way more important and they'd trade it all for a CFP berth?  Of course.  But to act like its an after thought is silly.  Same with UF during the Billy Donovan years.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Pakuni on January 26, 2022, 03:42:41 PM
I wouldn't be shocked if half the Auburn student body couldn't name the basketball coach.
Just like I wouldn't be shocked if half the Marquette student body couldn't name the basketball coach.
Not everybody is into basketball.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 26, 2022, 03:51:25 PM
Thats just patently false.  I agree with most of the rest, but come on.  They made a Final Four a couple years ago and are the #1 team in the country.  Thats not met with ambivalence, even at a football school.  I assure you most everyone in Austin knew who Rick Barnes and Shaka were.

Auburn is a big college town in the middle of nowhere.  Every game has been a sellout this year and would be if the arena sat 15K instead of 9.

Is football way more important and they'd trade it all for a CFP berth?  Of course.  But to act like its an after thought is silly.  Same with UF during the Billy Donovan years.


I completely forgot that Auburn made the Final Four back in 2019.  Mostly because I was at a beer tasting for charity that afternoon and slept through the first semifinal.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: lawdog77 on January 26, 2022, 04:11:53 PM

I completely forgot that Auburn made the Final Four back in 2019.  Mostly because I was at a beer tasting for charity that afternoon and slept through the first semifinal.
Even the most ardent basketball fans quickly forget who lose the semifinal games at the Final 4.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: BM1090 on January 26, 2022, 05:01:05 PM

I completely forgot that Auburn made the Final Four back in 2019.  Mostly because I was at a beer tasting for charity that afternoon and slept through the first semifinal.

I forgot too, and I was at the damn game. Never sit high up for a basketball game in a football stadium. Worst viewing experience of my life.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 26, 2022, 10:21:08 PM
Rumors flying that Dawson Garcia is done at North Carolina.

Illness in the family and he’s been back in Minnesota for the last week. Hoping for the best for him and his family.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Hards Alumni on January 27, 2022, 06:41:52 AM

I completely "forgot" that Auburn made the Final Four back in 2019.  Mostly because I was at a beer tasting "for charity" that afternoon and "slept" through the first semifinal.

Fixed that for you  ;D
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 27, 2022, 07:37:17 AM
Fixed that for you  ;D

True....
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 27, 2022, 08:28:59 AM
I wouldn't be shocked if half the Auburn student body couldn't name the basketball coach.
Just like I wouldn't be shocked if half the Marquette student body couldn't name the basketball coach.
Not everybody is into basketball.
I would bet right now half couldn't name the Auburn's football coaches name.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 27, 2022, 10:56:41 AM
and interesting rumor out of Louisville: Kenny Payne for coach at Dewayne Peevey (current DePaul AD) as the AD. Peevey courted Payne hard this past offseason but DePaul's administration refused to pony up ($1.5million was the max he was allowed to give). Peevey was at UK for a long time and has an EMBA from Louisville.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: wadesworld on January 28, 2022, 10:43:35 PM
I have a friend who is the associate head coach of the volleyball team at Auburn. She just shared a story on Instagram from their gymnastics competition. The 9,000 seat arena is jam packed and the crowd is absolutely rocking.

My guess is the community knows who their basketball coach is, especially since he has them ranked first in the country.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on January 29, 2022, 08:06:50 AM
I have a friend who is the associate head coach of the volleyball team at Auburn. She just shared a story on Instagram from their gymnastics competition. The 9,000 seat arena is jam packed and the crowd is absolutely rocking.

My guess is the community knows who their basketball coach is, especially since he has them ranked first in the country.
Yeah collegiate gymnastics is quite the big deal down here in SEC land. My daughter is a gymnast so we’ve been to many meets over at UGA. Lots of fun and sellout crowds with tons of energy.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: We R Final Four on January 29, 2022, 09:28:39 AM
I wouldn't be shocked if half the Auburn student body couldn't name the basketball coach.
Just like I wouldn't be shocked if half the Marquette student body couldn't name the basketball coach.
Not everybody is into basketball.
I would definitely be shocked if half of the MU student body couldn’t name the coach.
I don’t think you need to be “into” basketball to hear and feel the buzz around Shaka on campus.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: shoothoops on January 29, 2022, 09:46:44 AM
I have a friend who is the associate head coach of the volleyball team at Auburn. She just shared a story on Instagram from their gymnastics competition. The 9,000 seat arena is jam packed and the crowd is absolutely rocking.

My guess is the community knows who their basketball coach is, especially since he has them ranked first in the country.

Olympic Gold Medalist Suni Lee competes for Auburn Gymnastics.

https://twitter.com/jeff_shearer/status/1487297447701454848?t=1vXQ8MIOYmxZn_O0qTLmbw&s=19

https://twitter.com/espn/status/1487258038922891268?s=21
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 29, 2022, 07:22:42 PM
How 'bout dat lifetime contract, hey?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 30, 2022, 02:24:44 PM
How 'bout dat lifetime contract, hey?

Contract with the devil, hey?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: jesmu84 on February 02, 2022, 09:54:41 AM
Things appear to be going well at Texas.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: jesmu84 on February 02, 2022, 11:09:18 AM
Total schadenfreude, but it's a real shame what Memphis and Michigan are going through this season
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Billy Hoyle on February 02, 2022, 01:16:18 PM
Total schadenfreude, but it's a real shame what Memphis and Michigan are going through this season

Memphis, yes. But Michigan?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on February 02, 2022, 11:04:56 PM
Cockburn laid the wood on Wisconsin today.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on February 02, 2022, 11:45:21 PM
Cockburn laid the wood on Wisconsin today.

Oh.....yes.  Only 16/19 with 37 pts?  Do we have a Jamaican or Caribbean scout?  :)
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on February 03, 2022, 12:11:25 AM
Oh.....yes.  Only 16/19 with 37 pts?  Do we have a Jamaican or Caribbean scout?  :)

He moved to NYC as a teen and went to HS there.  Buddy Hield went to HS in the states as well.

Angel Delgado, DR team star, went to HS in NJ.  JJ Barea in Miami.

International scouts for Europe or Australia/NZ make sense. But all the best Island talent plays ball in the US by and large.  8-)
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on February 03, 2022, 12:26:59 AM
Will Crean be back?  I assume no?  I was just curious about the Georgia roster.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: tower912 on February 04, 2022, 08:39:35 AM
UCLA/Arizona. both looked dialed in last night.  Arizona has a couple of wide bigs of the type that scare me.   Gonzaga was on at the same time.  Holmgren is so skinny but so smooth.   If MU were to play them, Osa and OMP would probably have the best chance against him.   I think Lewis can guard Timme as well as anyone.  Gonzaga is just  so efficient in their sets.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: lawdog77 on February 04, 2022, 08:50:48 AM
UCLA/Arizona. both looked dialed in last night.  Arizona has a couple of wide bigs of the type that scare me.   Gonzaga was on at the same time.  Holmgren is so skinny but so smooth.   If MU were to play them, Osa and OMP would probably have the best chance against him.   I think Lewis can guard Timme as well as anyone.  Gonzaga is just  so efficient in their sets.
Speaking of Arizona/UCLA, not good for a former recruit.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/33213311/ucla-bruins-mac-etienne-arrested-appearing-spit-arizona-fans (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/33213311/ucla-bruins-mac-etienne-arrested-appearing-spit-arizona-fans)
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: panda on February 04, 2022, 09:21:12 AM
UCLA/Arizona. both looked dialed in last night.  Arizona has a couple of wide bigs of the type that scare me.   Gonzaga was on at the same time.  Holmgren is so skinny but so smooth.   If MU were to play them, Osa and OMP would probably have the best chance against him.   I think Lewis can guard Timme as well as anyone.  Gonzaga is just  so efficient in their sets.

For my money, Arizona is the best team in the country.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: jesmu84 on February 04, 2022, 09:51:40 AM
Gonna be a short run at the top for zona when all those ruinous punishments finally get announced
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on February 04, 2022, 10:10:52 AM
For my money, Arizona is the second-best team in the country.

FIFY.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on February 04, 2022, 10:19:13 AM
For my money, Arizona is the best team in the country.

I'd take Gonzaga and Auburn over them in a heartbeat.  UCLA handled them pretty comfortably at home last week and Zona looked pretty pedestrian against ASU.  They're really good, but I don't think they're the cream of the crop
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: panda on February 04, 2022, 10:23:14 AM
I'd take Gonzaga and Auburn over them in a heartbeat.  UCLA handled them pretty comfortably at home last week and Zona looked pretty pedestrian against ASU.  They're really good, but I don't think they're the cream of the crop

Tubelis at less than 100% has skewed their rotation a bit. Once/If he gets back to 100%, they'll be a true force.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: panda on February 04, 2022, 10:27:36 AM
FIFY.

Gonzaga last season was a bit more dynamic than they are this season with Suggs running the show. They undoubtedly still have Final Four talent, but I don't think they'll be able to get over the hump this season. Not enough depth if plan A doesn't work against another premier team.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 04, 2022, 10:44:07 AM
Arizona and UCLA are both final 4 good.  Both are national championship good.  I think there are more potential champs this year than in recent years.  There will also be a lot of upsets in March because of overseeded teams.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: panda on February 04, 2022, 10:47:27 AM
Arizona and UCLA are both final 4 good.  Both are national championship good.  I think there are more potential champs this year than in recent years.  There will also be a lot of upsets in March because of overseeded teams.

Agree - I don't see a dominant team this year.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 04, 2022, 10:54:03 AM
Agree - I don't see a dominant team this year.

Gonzaga, UCLA, Arizona, Baylor, Kentucky, Auburn, Houston and Duke are all legit national title contenders at the moment. I could be wrong but that list seems bigger than most years
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: panda on February 04, 2022, 11:02:39 AM
Gonzaga, UCLA, Arizona, Baylor, Kentucky, Auburn, Houston and Duke are all legit national title contenders at the moment. I could be wrong but that list seems bigger than most years

I'd take Duke out and replace them with Illinois but I agree with your larger point. Lots of solid, talented teams at the top without a clear cut top team.

Gonzaga probably the consensus top team, but it's so challenging for me to lock them in as a title contender playing mostly low majors throughout their conference season.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 04, 2022, 11:17:33 AM
I'd take Duke out and replace them with Illinois but I agree with your larger point. Lots of solid, talented teams at the top without a clear cut top team.

Gonzaga probably the consensus top team, but it's so challenging for me to lock them in as a title contender playing mostly low majors throughout their conference season.

I use teams in KenPom top 20 offense and defense to gauge real contenders.  Illinois is just outside looking in and that can change in a month.

Baylor finished 22nd in defense last year but were top-10 most of the year defensively.  UConn 2014 is the outlier
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: panda on February 04, 2022, 11:28:11 AM
I use teams in KenPom top 20 offense and defense to gauge real contenders.  Illinois is just outside looking in and that can change in a month.

Baylor finished 22nd in defense last year but were top-10 most of the year defensively.  UConn 2014 is the outlier

Fair enough - I'll take a battle tested Big 10, veteran Illinois team over a young Duke team any day of the week.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 04, 2022, 11:41:41 AM
Fair enough - I'll take a battle tested Big 10, veteran Illinois team over a young Duke team any day of the week.

Like I said, those numbers can change in a months span and Illinois could fall into my parameters.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: panda on February 04, 2022, 11:44:34 AM
Like I said, those numbers can change in a months span and Illinois could fall into my parameters.

Are those your proprietary parameters?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 04, 2022, 12:08:59 PM
Are those your proprietary parameters?

Not without a lawsuit
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: panda on February 04, 2022, 12:18:20 PM
Not without a lawsuit

lol
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 04, 2022, 12:20:22 PM
Gonzaga, UCLA, Arizona, Baylor, Kentucky, Auburn, Houston and Duke are all legit national title contenders at the moment. I could be wrong but that list seems bigger than most years

Houston will not be winning the national title
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 04, 2022, 12:22:50 PM
Houston will not be winning the national title

Probably not
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on February 04, 2022, 01:10:17 PM
Gonzaga, UCLA, Arizona, Baylor, Kentucky, Auburn, Houston and Duke are all legit national title contenders at the moment. I could be wrong but that list seems bigger than most years

I would definitely add Purdue to that list.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 04, 2022, 01:11:54 PM
Houston will not be winning the national title

No, but picking them to the Final Four last season won me my bracket!
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 04, 2022, 01:13:17 PM
I would definitely add Purdue to that list.

Purdue's defense is very bad. Well, very bad for a potential final four team. They have the best offense in basketball but defense wins championships and they are lacking it.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 04, 2022, 01:30:11 PM
I would definitely add Purdue to that list.

Final 4 good, not title good
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: lawdog77 on February 04, 2022, 01:31:00 PM
I use teams in KenPom top 20 offense and defense to gauge real contenders.  Illinois is just outside looking in and that can change in a month.

Baylor finished 22nd in defense last year but were top-10 most of the year defensively.  UConn 2014 is the outlier
Here's a good breakdown:
https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2021-12-31/mens-college-basketball-national-championship-history-heres-where-recent (https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2021-12-31/mens-college-basketball-national-championship-history-heres-where-recent)
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on February 04, 2022, 01:31:43 PM
Purdue's defense is very bad. Well, very bad for a potential final four team. They have the best offense in basketball but defense wins championships and they are lacking it.

Yes, but they're still dangerous imo. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Hards Alumni on February 04, 2022, 02:08:04 PM
I'm excited to see Gonzaga crap the bed in the tournament.  Pretty soon they have to play some road games!
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on February 04, 2022, 02:16:04 PM
Final 4 good, not title good

Obviously. They're gonna lose to us!
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on February 04, 2022, 04:21:21 PM
I'm excited to see Gonzaga crap the bed in the tournament.  Pretty soon they have to play some road games!

I mean they demolished UCLA on a neutral floor and totally handled TTU on a neutral floor as well but go off!

They had one loss to a VERY good Duke team and another to a Jekyll and Hyde Bama team that beat Gonzaga and Houston in the span of a week, plus beat Baylor and stuck with Auburn.

I think the "Gonzaga's schedule is soft they'll trip against real teams" is a bit played out given their non conference scheduling the last few years and their recent tourney performances.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 04, 2022, 04:26:04 PM
And they lost in the championship game last year. If that’s “crapping the bed…”
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 04, 2022, 08:12:39 PM
And they lost in the championship game last year. If that’s “crapping the bed…”

A literal crapshoot
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on February 04, 2022, 08:19:56 PM
St.  Bonny lost again.  As I said in Nov, people needed to cool their jets on that ball club.  They likely won't make the tournament let alone the S16.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Hards Alumni on February 04, 2022, 09:04:25 PM
I mean they demolished UCLA on a neutral floor and totally handled TTU on a neutral floor as well but go off!

They had one loss to a VERY good Duke team and another to a Jekyll and Hyde Bama team that beat Gonzaga and Houston in the span of a week, plus beat Baylor and stuck with Auburn.

I think the "Gonzaga's schedule is soft they'll trip against real teams" is a bit played out given their non conference scheduling the last few years and their recent tourney performances.

Don't care.  Don't like em.

The main joke is that they have played TWO true road games all year.  It's February.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on February 04, 2022, 09:18:32 PM
Don't care.  Don't like em.

The main joke is that they have played TWO true road games all year.  It's February.


Then just say you don’t like them and hope they fail. Instead of making emotional comments that have no true basis. 2 S16s, 2 E8s, and 2 title games in their last 6 NCAAs isn’t the mark of a team destined fall flat in March.  And multiple top 5 wins last year, and plenty of top 10 wins away from home the last few years kind of defeats the “play nobody” angle.  Guess what, they play the neutral court games cause nobody big wants to go to Spokane for a home and home.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on February 05, 2022, 12:48:39 PM
UCLA redshirt freshman forward Mac Etienne received a police citation for appearing to spit in the direction of Arizona fans on Thursday night following the No. 3 Bruins' 76-66 loss to the No. 7 Wildcats. Etienne, who is not playing this season while rehabbing a knee injury, was captured on video in what appeared to be a heated verbal exchange with Arizona fans as UCLA returned to the locker room following the game.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/ucla-forward-mac-etienne-cited-by-police-after-allegedly-spitting-at-arizona-fan-after-bruins-loss/

I think Marquette recruited him, no? Or am I misremembering?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 05, 2022, 02:22:55 PM
UCLA redshirt freshman forward Mac Etienne received a police citation for appearing to spit in the direction of Arizona fans on Thursday night following the No. 3 Bruins' 76-66 loss to the No. 7 Wildcats. Etienne, who is not playing this season while rehabbing a knee injury, was captured on video in what appeared to be a heated verbal exchange with Arizona fans as UCLA returned to the locker room following the game.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/ucla-forward-mac-etienne-cited-by-police-after-allegedly-spitting-at-arizona-fan-after-bruins-loss/

I think Marquette recruited him, no? Or am I misremembering?

We did
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 05, 2022, 02:37:01 PM
WVU is absolutely worthless

Man that win is turning to trash.

They get up just about every game but they cannot ever hold a lead.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 05, 2022, 04:41:25 PM
Rutgers up by 13 on Michigan State on FS1. The RAC is jumping.

Kansas crushing Baylor.

Auburn needed a last second shot to beat Crean and Georgia.

Illinois took it to Indiana in the final 11 minutes. That Marquette win is looking great!
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on February 05, 2022, 04:58:58 PM
Izzo looks very unhappy.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Pakuni on February 05, 2022, 05:00:42 PM
The Fred Hoiberg era in Lincoln is not going as planned.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: tower912 on February 05, 2022, 05:02:11 PM
Watching Illinois this week, MU certainly benefitted from Cockburn's absence.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 05, 2022, 05:02:11 PM
The Fred Hoiberg era in Lincoln is not going as planned.



I remember when they made a statement hiring both Scott Frost and him.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: We R Final Four on February 05, 2022, 05:11:35 PM
I’ve watched MSU several times this year.
So UN-Izzo like. Sloppy. Not very good at all.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Jockey on February 05, 2022, 05:12:14 PM
Watching Illinois this week, MU certainly benefitted from Cockburn's absence.

We also lucked out that Curbelo played.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 05, 2022, 05:13:07 PM
I’ve watched MSU several times this year.
So UN-Izzo like. Sloppy. Not very good at all.

I think it’s a bad roster mix.  Plenty of talented players, just don’t work great together for long stretches
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 05, 2022, 05:15:41 PM
I think it’s a bad roster mix.  Plenty of talented players, just don’t work great together for long stretches

Joey’s primed with his #2 pencil.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: forgetful on February 05, 2022, 05:17:28 PM
Has the ACC ever been this bad before.

You could make a legitimate argument that they should be a 1-bid league.

UNC has a solid NET (36), but is 0-6 against Q1. Shameful for the talent they have on the roster.

I know braketology has the ACC with 4 teams in, but man nothing is exciting about the 3 not named Duke...pretty sure those other 3 would be out if they played in any other conference.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on February 05, 2022, 05:28:42 PM
Penn St. has 3 total points in 12+ mins . 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 05, 2022, 05:29:36 PM
Has the ACC ever been this bad before.

You could make a legitimate argument that they should be a 1-bid league.

UNC has a solid NET (36), but is 0-6 against Q1. Shameful for the talent they have on the roster.

I know braketology has the ACC with 4 teams in, but man nothing is exciting about the 3 not named Duke...pretty sure those other 3 would be out if they played in any other conference.

This is their worst showing in the KenPom era.  They were bad in 2011-12, 2012-13 and 2019-20 but not this bad.  They’re closer to the Valley than they are the Big XII, the highest ranked conference
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Pakuni on February 05, 2022, 05:31:53 PM
Texas A&M beaten at home by Mizzou (NET:148; KenPom: 135). Sixth straight loss for the Aggies.
Buzz may need that five years to judge.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: CountryRoads on February 05, 2022, 05:39:47 PM
Penn St. has 3 total points in 12+ mins .

Just some really bad basketball all around.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on February 05, 2022, 05:40:28 PM
Good game on Fox between USC/Zona.  USC is not s team I hope to match-up with in the tournament.  They're enormous. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 05, 2022, 05:42:02 PM
Good game on Fox between USC/Zona.  USC is not s team I hope to match-up with in the tournament.  They're enormous.

Pretty physical game
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on February 05, 2022, 05:51:34 PM
Good game on Fox between USC/Zona.  USC is not s team I hope to match-up with in the tournament.  They're enormous.

They are enormous but they alternatively look like a mid PAC 12 team and a top 10 team game to game. They are prone to absolutely disappear offensively
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on February 05, 2022, 06:02:39 PM
They are enormous but they alternatively look like a mid PAC 12 team and a top 10 team game to game. They are prone to absolutely disappear offensively

They can't shoot but they have a lot of athletes and super physical.  Zona has to be thrilled to have Lloyd instead of Miller.  I thought MU should have targeted TL about 4yrs ago.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 05, 2022, 06:18:10 PM
They can't shoot but they have a lot of athletes and super physical.  Zona has to be thrilled to have Lloyd instead of Miller.  I thought MU should have targeted TL about 4yrs ago.

USC will likely be more athletic than a lot of opponents but the offense is clunky
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Pakuni on February 05, 2022, 07:18:35 PM
No bueno.

@GoodmanHoops: Duke beats UNC in Chapel Hill by 20.

UNC has now lost 5 of its 7 games by at least 17 points.

Tennesse - 17
Duke - 20
Wake - 22
Miami - 28
Kentucky - 29
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on February 05, 2022, 07:40:31 PM
No bueno.

@GoodmanHoops: Duke beats UNC in Chapel Hill by 20.

UNC has now lost 5 of its 7 games by at least 17 points.

Tennesse - 17
Duke - 20
Wake - 22
Miami - 28
Kentucky - 29

That's not an NCAA tournament team.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: DegenerateDish on February 05, 2022, 09:16:37 PM
USF fouled intentionally up 2 with 6 seconds left. Portland hit the front end of the 1-1, and missed the back end. USF won.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 05, 2022, 09:40:53 PM
Oregon -4

This is the definition of a bad beat

Trash ass team should not dance
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on February 06, 2022, 12:07:18 AM
Bad ASU team beats UCLA in 3OT. Bobby Hurley fouled up 3 at the end and it worked out.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on February 06, 2022, 01:48:20 AM
Bad ASU team beats UCLA in 3OT. Bobby Hurley fouled up 3 at the end and it worked out.

UCLA scored 2 points in the last 4:45 of the second OT. At that point they deserved to lose
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: WhiteTrash on February 06, 2022, 09:01:11 AM
That's not an NCAA tournament team.
But wait... the great Jay Bilas said on the broadcast that UNC is in the tourney, no doubt about it.

Although I bet Jay has 7-9 ACC teams in the NCAA in his mind. Billy Packard Jr.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: forgetful on February 06, 2022, 10:02:37 AM
But wait... the great Jay Bilas said on the broadcast that UNC is in the tourney, no doubt about it.

Although I bet Jay has 7-9 ACC teams in the NCAA in his mind. Billy Packard Jr.

UNC doesn't deserve a spot. But they are 42 still in the NET and have only 1 game left (Duke) that is a tournament team. As long as they win the games they are supposed to, they will end up in. Most likely without a single Q1 win.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on February 06, 2022, 10:17:48 AM
But wait... the great Jay Bilas said on the broadcast that UNC is in the tourney, no doubt about it.

Although I bet Jay has 7-9 ACC teams in the NCAA in his mind. Billy Packard Jr.

Yes.  And he's also the same guy who said St. Bonny was a S16 team and Hinrich should go higher in the draft than Wade.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Lennys Tap on February 06, 2022, 11:09:12 AM
Good news: Marquette Hall of Famer nearly upsets #1 Auburn.

Bad news: UGA now 6-17, 1-9 in conference in TC’s 4th year. Overall, he’s 47-66, 15-49 in conference play.

Is 4 years enough to judge?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 06, 2022, 11:15:50 AM
https://twitter.com/jdubesesq/status/1490300642396626946?s=21
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: tower912 on February 06, 2022, 11:19:12 AM
He is messing with their happy.   And kudos to poor TAMU. He has been scrupulous about not dishing about a fellow Aggie employee.   It can't be easy.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 06, 2022, 11:30:34 AM
He is messing with their happy.   And kudos to poor TAMU. He has been scrupulous about not dishing about a fellow Aggie employee.   It can't be easy.

Have to imagine a friendly media member will be doing a Buzz’s Kids story
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on February 06, 2022, 12:07:35 PM
Is Kofi Cockburn's game just not useful in 2022 at the NBA level?  Most mocks don't have him I'm the first round.  It seems to me he should be able to find a place.  I like the kid.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on February 07, 2022, 08:08:35 PM
Massive choke by Duke. Hate to see it, hate to see it
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 07, 2022, 08:14:41 PM
Arizona State on fire out of the gate. 16-3 on #4 Arizona on FS1.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on February 07, 2022, 08:18:00 PM
Arizona State on fire out of the gate. 16-3 on #4 Arizona on FS1.

That ended in a hurry.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on February 07, 2022, 08:24:53 PM
Better pro Jonny Davis or Agbaji?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on February 07, 2022, 08:40:31 PM
https://twitter.com/jdubesesq/status/1490300642396626946?s=21

Oh. Darn.

What a shame.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on February 07, 2022, 08:43:09 PM
Better pro Jonny Davis or Agbaji?

Agbaji, if he can continue to shoot like this/improve.  Similar size to Davis but a much better athlete
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on February 07, 2022, 08:46:57 PM
Agbaji, if he can continue to shoot like this/improve.  Similar size to Davis but a much better athlete

I think I'm with you JWags.  He's better going to the rim than I realized.   
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 07, 2022, 09:50:33 PM
Massive choke by Duke. Hate to see it, hate to see it

Shot made by former MU target Reece Beekman. We made one of his final lists if I recall correctly.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 07, 2022, 10:20:52 PM
If MU plays Kansas at some point.

Just guard the hell outta this Harris guy. My god is he clueless with the ball.

Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 07, 2022, 10:23:49 PM
Kansas is so damn dumb.

You know they are going to foul up 3. Harris decides not shoot and drops it back to Wilson who instead of shooting the 3 tries to dribble and gets intentionally fouled. Shoot the ball.

Utah did the same thing vs Oregon the other day
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on February 07, 2022, 10:23:54 PM
Texas fouled up 3 vs. KU and the strategy worked to perfection.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 07, 2022, 10:24:21 PM
Texas storms the court, yikes.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on February 08, 2022, 06:45:07 PM
The officiating in the Arkansas/Auburn game is some of the worst I’ve ever seen. 4 straight moving screens called on 4 straight possessions then about 5 touch fouls and an offensive foul on Jabari Smith for his 2nd that was baffling. 

Couple that with ice cold shooting and a potentially really fun game turned ugly quick
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: tower912 on February 08, 2022, 07:55:29 PM
IU dressing 7 scholarship players.  5 suspended for smoking pot.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on February 08, 2022, 08:46:09 PM
Who ya got Illinois or Purdue?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 08, 2022, 08:47:28 PM
IU dressing 7 scholarship players.  5 suspended for smoking pot.

Box score showing that Bates may of been 1 of them
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 08, 2022, 09:04:35 PM
Texas A&M lost again.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on February 08, 2022, 09:49:13 PM
If Ivey can find a consistent jumper he's going to be a really good pro.  The kid is electric in the open floor and of course has hoppability.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on February 08, 2022, 09:52:52 PM
Oh....boy.  That could be a season ending injury for Frazier.  Gotta feel for the kid.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 08, 2022, 09:59:08 PM
Oh....boy.  That could be a season ending injury for Frazier.  Gotta feel for the kid.

Banged knees, hes fine
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: DegenerateDish on February 08, 2022, 10:21:33 PM
I’m worried if MU winds up in a 6/11 or 7/10 game in March and Wyoming is the first round draw.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on February 08, 2022, 10:24:01 PM
Mighty Pacific up 8 vs USC. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on February 08, 2022, 10:39:10 PM
Mighty Pacific up 8 vs USC.

JINX

Also, I don't know if you intended it, but until this summer, Pacific was coached by and this entire team recruited by...Damon Stoudamire, aka Mighty Mouse
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on February 08, 2022, 10:58:48 PM
JINX

Also, I don't know if you intended it, but until this summer, Pacific was coached by and this entire team recruited by...Damon Stoudamire, aka Mighty Mouse

I didn't know that but it's nice to onow you root for diminutive athletes.  Maybe he can give Kam Jones a few pointers or handles lessons?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on February 09, 2022, 07:39:55 AM
Here's an outstanding photo: Arkansas coach Eric Musselman, shirtless, celebrates with the fans after the team upset No. 1 Auburn ...

(https://ecp.yusercontent.com/mail?url=https%3A%2F%2Fd15k2d11r6t6rl.cloudfront.net%2Fpublic%2Fusers%2FIntegrators%2F669d5713-9b6a-46bb-bd7e-c542cff6dd6a%2F1d75fd3a730a463c8648bd84293b832a%2FFLH5maVXsAEehwh.jpg&t=1644413841&ymreqid=3c8d0d78-3338-e941-1c10-eb006801fd00&sig=sLKaSxRQd66LH3OXIF1yCA--~D)
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on February 09, 2022, 10:30:03 AM
Better pro Jonny Davis or Agbaji?

Agbaji has a high floor as a 3 & D player, but lacks the ability to create shots for himself and others.  Still, a Desmond Bane type impact is possible.

Davis can create off the dribble, especially in pick and roll, for himself and occasionally for others.  But I think Davis has a wider variance in possible outcomes.   He should be at least as good as Jordan Poole.  Can he be as good as Allan Houston, or perhaps even Devin Booker?

Davis would have to keep improving his shot, and probably quite a bit, to approach Booker status.  But I still think he has a higher upside than Agbaji.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 09, 2022, 10:34:01 AM
Agbaji has a high floor as a 3 & D player, but lacks the ability to create shots for himself and others.  Still, a Desmond Bane type impact is possible.

Davis can create off the dribble, especially in pick and roll, for himself and occasionally for others.  But I think Davis has a wider variance in possible outcomes.   He should be at least as good as Jordan Poole.  Can he be as good as Allan Houston, or perhaps even Devin Booker?

Davis would have to keep improving his shot, and probably quite a bit, to approach Booker status.  But I still think he has a higher upside than Agbaji.

I don’t think he can be the shooter Booker is.  I like the Poole comp in a lot of ways.  Think he has a higher ceiling but there are far worse players to be similar to.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on February 09, 2022, 11:43:21 AM
I don’t think he can be the shooter Booker is.  I like the Poole comp in a lot of ways.  Think he has a higher ceiling but there are far worse players to be similar to.

Yea, Davis has a long way to go to even project near Booker.

And I'd hope he'd have a higher ceiling than Poole as he's projected as a lottery pick where as Poole wasn't even really thought to be a first rounder when he comes out.  Poole is a quicker/better athlete, but Davis has a more solid build, so it probably evens out. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 09, 2022, 01:31:14 PM
Yea, Davis has a long way to go to even project near Booker.

And I'd hope he'd have a higher ceiling than Poole as he's projected as a lottery pick where as Poole wasn't even really thought to be a first rounder when he comes out.  Poole is a quicker/better athlete, but Davis has a more solid build, so it probably evens out.

Davis ceiling is probably higher?  Both exploded as sophomores.  Poole didn’t have to carry a team and be a volume player, either.  Poole is in a good situation, too.  That can make such a difference for how a guy develops
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MUfan12 on February 09, 2022, 02:00:33 PM
Poole also had the advantage of a college offense that used a lot of pro actions. Steeper learning curve for Davis there.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on February 09, 2022, 02:10:36 PM
No doubt Davis would have to make 2 or 3 more big jumps, especially shooting wise, to become a Booker type star.

That's why I used Poole as a different player comp, one that is more attainable.  That gives us a range of player outcomes.

I have high confidence Davis can be as good as Poole, if not a notch better.  Slim chance Davis is as good as Booker, but I wouldn't have it as a nonzero chance either.  It might only be a 2% chance but it's a chance.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: wadesworld on February 09, 2022, 03:48:42 PM
Johnny Davis much better than Jordan Poole?  As good as Devin Booker?  Come on.  Sure, as KG once said about winning a title with 4 HOF players on the roster, "ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE!"  But both of those players are very, very good.  The smart bet would be that Davis does not get to what Poole or (especially) Booker are.  I mean, Booker is a top 25 player in the NBA at 25 years old, and has averaged 23 points per game in his 7 years in the NBA (starting at age 19).

And I think people are wildly underrating Poole.  He's 22 years old, playing 30 minutes per game for one of the two best teams in the NBA, and averaging 17 points, 3.5 assists, and 3 rebounds per game.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 09, 2022, 04:28:28 PM
Johnny Davis much better than Jordan Poole?  As good as Devin Booker?  Come on.  Sure, as KG once said about winning a title with 4 HOF players on the roster, "ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE!"  But both of those players are very, very good.  The smart bet would be that Davis does not get to what Poole or (especially) Booker are.  I mean, Booker is a top 25 player in the NBA at 25 years old, and has averaged 23 points per game in his 7 years in the NBA (starting at age 19).

And I think people are wildly underrating Poole.  He's 22 years old, playing 30 minutes per game for one of the two best teams in the NBA, and averaging 17 points, 3.5 assists, and 3 rebounds per game.

Been a Poole stan for awhile.  Not sleeping on him at all.  Repping Milwaukee well
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on February 09, 2022, 04:42:55 PM
Before that Arkansas win last night, the dopes who play for Auburn stomped on the Razorback logo.

Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: wadesworld on February 09, 2022, 06:18:00 PM
Before that Arkansas win last night, the dopes who play for Auburn stomped on the Razorback logo.

The logo covers like 70% of their court. They were probably just doing layup lines and Muss just wanted to fire his team up.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on February 09, 2022, 06:25:01 PM
The logo covers like 70% of their court. They were probably just doing layup lines and Muss just wanted to fire his team up.

Uh ... no.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on February 09, 2022, 08:24:44 PM
SMU fouls up 3 … Hou makes first FT and then commits violation while missing intentionally … Down 2, Hou fouls SMU … SMU guy makes first FT but misses second … SMU fouls up 3 again … BUT IT’S CALLED IN THE ACT OF SHOOTING … Hou can tie but guy badly misses first FT, makes second, and on the third again commits a violation going for missed FT rebound.

Crazy last 7 seconds!
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: HouWarrior on February 09, 2022, 08:39:22 PM
SMU fouls up 3 … Hou makes first FT and then commits violation while missing intentionally … Hou fouls SMU … SMU guy makes first FT but misses second … SMU fouls up 3 again … BUT IT’S CALLED IN THE ACT … Hou can tie but guy badly misses first FT, makes second and again commits a violation going for missed FT rebound.

Crazy last 7 seconds!
Hou in HouWarrior is for UH, my other alma mater. 2022 is a good year, but we could have been better. My best guess is Sweet 16 this year maybe better next year. Details:

UH has been heading toward a loss against some weaker conf team for some time They somehow held on to an upper tier ranking , even after they lost their best two guys Marcus Sasser and guard Tramon Mark  , by very solid defense and strong rebounding.

 Kelvin Sampson can flat out coach He will stay at UH

 It has completed practice and arena upgrades and has Tillman Fertitta $
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60S0YYbwM_Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zWDOBdb-N4&t=521s

UH lined up Kelvins son as coach in waiting and even has his daughter on payroll
One ESPN five star (no one pfwd) and two four stars come in next year

***** Jarace Walker           PF   Signed   92
****   Terrance Arceneaux   SF   Signed   83
****   Emanuel Sharp        SG   Signed   82

UH is a rebuilt rejuvenated and solid program once again
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on February 10, 2022, 06:34:56 AM
Hou in HouWarrior is for UH, my other alma mater. 2022 is a good year, but we could have been better. My best guess is Sweet 16 this year maybe better next year. Details:

UH has been heading toward a loss against some weaker conf team for some time They somehow held on to an upper tier ranking , even after they lost their best two guys Marcus Sasser and guard Tramon Mark  , by very solid defense and strong rebounding.

 Kelvin Sampson can flat out coach He will stay at UH

 It has completed practice and arena upgrades and has Tillman Fertitta $
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60S0YYbwM_Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zWDOBdb-N4&t=521s

UH lined up Kelvins son as coach in waiting and even has his daughter on payroll
One ESPN five star (no one pfwd) and two four stars come in next year

***** Jarace Walker           PF   Signed   92
****   Terrance Arceneaux   SF   Signed   83
****   Emanuel Sharp        SG   Signed   82

UH is a rebuilt rejuvenated and solid program once again

Glad you've got a fun team in your town to watch, not to mention your "inferior" alma mater!

That was a hell of a finish last night. SMU tried real hard to give it to your guys by missing their own FTs and then fouling in the act of shooting up 3, but Houston refused to take it!
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on February 10, 2022, 07:40:13 AM
Interesting piece on Steve Forbes' quick rebuilding of the Wake Forest program ...

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/luke-decock/article258231698.html

There was still plenty of time on the clock when Steve Forbes walked almost the length of the Wake Forest bench slapping hands. The Demon Deacons were in the middle of a 16-0 run to close out their first win over N.C. State in three seasons, and it was less about celebrating that Wednesday night than Wake Forest’s first 20-win season since 2010.

Wake Forest suddenly has a lot to celebrate. After Forbes’ first fitful season at Wake Forest, it’s been an instantaneous turnaround in the second. His quick-fix approach has fixed Wake Forest, and quickly. The Demon Deacons are back to where the school and its fans have always believed they should be, and on track for their second NCAA tournament appearance since that 2010 season, four coaches ago.

“Respect is a hard thing to get back once you lose it,” Forbes said after Wednesday’s 69-51 win. “We’re starting to gain back the respect Wake Forest once had in this league, where we belong. But we’re not satisfied. Twenty wins is a good season. Twenty-five or 30 is special.”

Wake Forest hasn’t won more than 24 games since 2005. It’d be a shock if the Deacons don’t get there before they leave Brooklyn next month.

“There’s a lot of first times this year, not only for myself but for the team,” said guard Daivien Williamson, a Winston-Salem native who followed Forbes to Wake Forest from East Tennessee State. “It feels good.”

Wake Forest is very much a team for college basketball in 2022, built not through recruiting and developing players but plucking them off the shelf in the talent Wal-Mart that is the transfer portal.

Only Isaiah Mucius is left from Danny Manning’s ill-fated regime that only ended 22 months ago. The rest of the roster has been built on the fly since Forbes arrived in Winston-Salem, with a few freshmen but mostly transfers and junior-college players and in some cases both.

That’s the case of Williams, by far Wake Forest’s best player and a potential ACC Player of the Year candidate, who started out at a junior college and played two very vanilla years at Oklahoma that did nothing to hint at the explosiveness within.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on February 10, 2022, 09:31:57 AM
If Forbes keeps it going, opens up an interesting discussion about career paths and hiring at the major schools.  Chris Beard, Mussleman, Steve Forbes, all guys who proved they are very good HC material by performing exceptionally well at lower levels.  I'm not saying you hire a great Juco or lower level coach straight away, but those are the interesting assistants to look at
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 10, 2022, 09:43:27 AM
Johnny Davis much better than Jordan Poole?  As good as Devin Booker?  Come on.  Sure, as KG once said about winning a title with 4 HOF players on the roster, "ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE!"  But both of those players are very, very good.  The smart bet would be that Davis does not get to what Poole or (especially) Booker are.  I mean, Booker is a top 25 player in the NBA at 25 years old, and has averaged 23 points per game in his 7 years in the NBA (starting at age 19).

And I think people are wildly underrating Poole.  He's 22 years old, playing 30 minutes per game for one of the two best teams in the NBA, and averaging 17 points, 3.5 assists, and 3 rebounds per game.




Bottom line is Booker's datin' Kendall and Davis izant. Therefore, Booker>Davis, aina?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: HouWarrior on February 10, 2022, 01:26:28 PM
Glad you've got a fun team in your town to watch, not to mention your "inferior" alma mater!

That was a hell of a finish last night. SMU tried real hard to give it to your guys by missing their own FTs and then fouling in the act of shooting up 3, but Houston refused to take it!

The go to guy is usually difference in close games where mistakes,  key shots or FTs are deciding the outcome. 

MU (by no means the inferior alma mater, btw) can go to Lewis or Morsell, in key times and expect them to perform

UH lacked Sasser at SMU...the type of player who would have taken control of those late moments

In the NCAA you hope your seed gets you one or two early wins...but in advancing UH will almost certainly have a close, tricky to close out, game. No Sasser will mean a Sweet 16 flame out this year for UH
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on February 10, 2022, 01:32:23 PM
If Forbes keeps it going, opens up an interesting discussion about career paths and hiring at the major schools.  Chris Beard, Mussleman, Steve Forbes, all guys who proved they are very good HC material by performing exceptionally well at lower levels.  I'm not saying you hire a great Juco or lower level coach straight away, but those are the interesting assistants to look at

Wake is my 2nd favorite team, ever since I lived in W-S during the Muggsy years. Although Forbes is in his 2nd year I see a level of improvement like Shaka has already shown here.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on February 10, 2022, 01:37:36 PM
The go to guy is usually difference in close games where mistakes,  key shots or FTs are deciding the outcome. 

MU (by no means the inferior alma mater, btw) can go to Lewis or Morsell, in key times and expect them to perform

UH lacked Sasser at SMU...the type of player who would have taken control of those late moments

In the NCAA you hope your seed gets you one or two early wins...but in advancing UH will almost certainly have a close, tricky to close out, game. No Sasser will mean a Sweet 16 flame out this year for UH

Yeah, that sucks about Sasser. Similar to us losing Dom years ago. It's very difficult any time you lose a player who plays a vitally important role. I mean, sure I want us to win the Big East tourney, but mostly I hope nobody gets hurt in any of the BET games.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: WhiteTrash on February 12, 2022, 01:29:01 PM
What is going on at Texas A&M? Buzz's bunch with 8 straight losses? Including a L to Mizzu.

This is year 4 for him, I would have bet the house they would be much better by now. Is he getting burnt out? Rich and lazy?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 12, 2022, 01:37:49 PM
Huggins bitching about WVU's travel in the BIG12 as the most eastern team in the league

Does the idiot know that WVU chose to leave the big EAST and go to this conference?

Some complaints by coaches simply make them look like morons.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on February 12, 2022, 02:10:25 PM
Kansas keeps Oklahoma in the game by missing a bazillion FTs … but KU holds on to beat the Fighting Mosers, who fall to 14-11.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: wadesworld on February 12, 2022, 02:27:54 PM
Huggins bitching about WVU's travel in the BIG12 as the most eastern team in the league

Does the idiot know that WVU chose to leave the big EAST and go to this conference?

Some complaints by coaches simply make them look like morons.

I’m guessing Huggins had absolutely zero say in what conference they play in.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 12, 2022, 02:53:13 PM
I’m guessing Huggins had absolutely zero say in what conference they play in.

Correct. Which is why I said WVU chose to.

He should take his grievances up with the school he is making an active decision to be employed by.

Its not the Big 12s problem
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 12, 2022, 02:58:15 PM
Correct. Which is why I said WVU chose to.

He should take his grievances up with the school he is making an active decision to be employed by.

Its not the Big 12s problem

Old Man Luck left town before the ink dried on his deal. Universally, every WVU fan i talked to in Charleston hates being in the B12. Maybe realignment helps a bit.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on February 12, 2022, 02:58:43 PM
Rutgers up 4 in Madison.  2:38 left.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 12, 2022, 03:06:07 PM
Purdue left the door open for Bucky to win the BIG10

Immediately lose to Rutgers. Love it.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on February 12, 2022, 03:07:48 PM
Thank you Rutgers. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on February 12, 2022, 03:09:06 PM
Weasels foul down 7 with under 5 secs left?  What are the stats on that one?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on February 12, 2022, 03:11:01 PM
Awww, that's a shame.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: CountryRoads on February 12, 2022, 03:15:18 PM
The badgers have a difficult schedule down the stretch. Aside from the MSU game, they haven’t been playing well lately.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 12, 2022, 03:15:18 PM
Old Man Luck left town before the ink dried on his deal. Universally, every WVU fan i talked to in Charleston hates being in the B12. Maybe realignment helps a bit.

Unfortunately they don’t have much choice. The ACC, SEC and B10 don’t want them. It’s the B12 or a downgrade…and they aren’t downgrading.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 12, 2022, 03:18:55 PM
The badgers have a difficult schedule down the stretch. Aside from the MSU game, they haven’t been playing well lately.
I don't want to see them at Fiserv in March.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 12, 2022, 03:23:24 PM
Rutgers gonna keep making themselves a really interesting tourney case.

Metrics are awful.NET was 92 coming into today. Because they have some awful losses.


But they now have 6 Q1 wins as well with a 9-5 league record. Really tough schedule to finish though so probably will sort itself out for them.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on February 12, 2022, 03:23:40 PM
More hideous unis today?

The Hall or Mich St?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Herman Cain on February 12, 2022, 04:02:38 PM
More hideous unis today?

The Hall or Mich St?
Muggsy I thought you would like The Hall New Jersey with The Hall emblazoned on the front.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on February 12, 2022, 05:10:28 PM
K State ties Iowa St at 63 with just under 3 min left...they go to OT tied at 63.  Puke
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Billy Hoyle on February 12, 2022, 06:10:59 PM
More hideous unis today?

The Hall or Mich St?

MSU without question. Unless the school colors include black just no to black uniforms.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on February 12, 2022, 08:22:49 PM
MSU without question. Unless the school colors include black just no to black uniforms.
Traditionals, hey Jr.?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 12, 2022, 08:31:42 PM
MSU without question. Unless the school colors include black just no to black uniforms.


🙄🙄🙄
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Billy Hoyle on February 13, 2022, 01:30:03 AM
Traditionals, hey Jr.?

When UCLA debuted black unis and John Wooden was asked what he thought he said “Bruins wear blue.”

Ours are brutal as well.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 13, 2022, 05:39:23 AM
When UCLA debuted black unis and John Wooden was asked what he thought he said “Bruins wear blue.”

Ours are brutal as well.

Ours were great. So were UCLA’s. John Wooden is dead.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on February 13, 2022, 10:15:05 AM
That one Whisky uni may have been the all time worst. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on February 13, 2022, 01:49:27 PM
Mediocre Maryland team playing out of their minds and catching Purdue on an off day, giving them all they can handle in West Lafayette
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on February 13, 2022, 01:58:28 PM
Is it Maryland ball?  I'm confused.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on February 13, 2022, 02:00:39 PM
Maryland should have gone to that Fatts kid to win the game.  Bad coaching.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Billy Hoyle on February 13, 2022, 04:57:22 PM
The Saint Stan stans are pretty quiet. 2-9 in the WCC. 213 in the NET after losing badly to #212 Portland last night.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on February 13, 2022, 09:51:48 PM
The Saint Stan stans are pretty quiet. 2-9 in the WCC. 213 in the NET after losing badly to #212 Portland last night.

Who are the "Saint Stan stans"?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: tower912 on February 13, 2022, 10:27:07 PM
Who are the "Saint Stan stans"?
Loyola Marymount.  Former MU assistant Stan Johnson.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on February 13, 2022, 10:39:31 PM
Loyola Marymount.  Former MU assistant Stan Johnson.

Yeah, I know Angry Billy is talking about Stan Johnson. I still don't know who the "Saint Stan stans" are.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 14, 2022, 06:45:00 AM
There were some who floated his name last year after Wojo was fired. There were more even before that who said we should dump Wojo for him.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 14, 2022, 07:21:09 AM
There were some who floated his name last year after Wojo was fired. There were more even before that who said we should dump Wojo for him.

St. Stan, though?  There’s a difference between floating his name and acting like he was the guy to hire. 

He was a major factor in a lot of recruiting wins, though, so maybe that’s the disconnect
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 14, 2022, 07:36:52 AM
St. Stan, though?  There’s a difference between floating his name and acting like he was the guy to hire. 

He was a major factor in a lot of recruiting wins, though, so maybe that’s the disconnect


It's just Billy being Billy.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 14, 2022, 10:32:18 AM
The Saint Stan stans are pretty quiet. 2-9 in the WCC. 213 in the NET after losing badly to #212 Portland last night.

How are Albany and Holy Cross doing?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: panda on February 14, 2022, 10:36:51 AM
How are Albany and Holy Cross doing?

Holy cross is one of the worst teams in the country and Albany is below .500 in conference and overall. They did beat BC though.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Billy Hoyle on February 15, 2022, 06:27:47 PM
Yeah, I know Angry Billy is talking about Stan Johnson. I still don't know who the "Saint Stan stans" are.

the people on this site who were fluffing Stan for two years and calling for him to replace Wojo (even as interim) because he was going to be a star in the profession, some even going as far as to say he deserved the credit for Wojo's (relative) success. Many of those people also were devastated that he took the LMU job and it was MU's loss.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 15, 2022, 06:44:16 PM
the people on this site who were fluffing Stan for two years and calling for him to replace Wojo (even as interim) because he was going to be a star in the profession, some even going as far as to say he deserved the credit for Wojo's (relative) success. Many of those people also were devastated that he took the LMU job and it was MU's loss.

Sure, Jan
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 15, 2022, 08:10:16 PM
Damn. Duke threw it up to the rim and the D all went to defend.....putback dunk at the horn.

Wake had a great comeback.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: shoothoops on February 15, 2022, 08:36:18 PM
The Saint Stan stans are pretty quiet. 2-9 in the WCC. 213 in the NET after losing badly to #212 Portland last night.

Not sure what a Saint Stan is but I do know:

Loyola Marymount won 65% of its games last season, Stan’s first. For perspective, they have only done that 3 times since their last NCAA Tourney appearance in 1990. And, it was a significant improvement from the 34% win team the year prior. It was also the first time in a decade that they had a winning conference record. It was their 4th winning record in conference since their last tourney appearance in 1990. Their league of course has been significantly tougher in recent years than many of the years during that long draught.

We’ll see what Stan does (or doesn’t build) there the next 3-5 years. But he’s certainly earned the time and opportunity to find out.


Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on February 15, 2022, 09:35:53 PM
Was that a cheap shot by Davison?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on February 15, 2022, 09:51:22 PM
I think the flopping by Flopison and others can easily be taken out of the college game.  It's really a shame and totally inexcusable.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: tower912 on February 16, 2022, 07:08:19 AM
Sparty going on the road and losing to an unranked, sub . 500 team. 
Man, can you imagine if something like that happened to Marquette?

Izzo calls out effort, says players need to look in the mirror, and does not make players available to the media, for possibly the first time in his tenure.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 16, 2022, 07:11:26 AM
I think the flopping by Flopison and others can easily be taken out of the college game.  It's really a shame and totally inexcusable.


Easiest way to do it is if refs stop falling for it.  If they continue to do so, it will continue to happen.  Simple as that.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 16, 2022, 08:37:20 AM
Sparty going on the road and losing to an unranked, sub . 500 team. 
Man, can you imagine if something like that happened to Marquette?

Izzo calls out effort, says players need to look in the mirror, and does not make players available to the media, for possibly the first time in his tenure.

His roster construction has been an issue the last two years.  No alphas like he’s had in the past
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on February 16, 2022, 09:35:47 AM
His roster construction has been an issue the last two years.  No alphas like he’s had in the past

Exactly what Joey wanted!
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 16, 2022, 09:56:58 AM
Exactly what Joey wanted!

I imagine Hauser the Lesser thought he was an alpha
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on February 16, 2022, 02:24:38 PM

Easiest way to do it is if refs stop falling for it.  If they continue to do so, it will continue to happen.  Simple as that.

Here's what I would do with the flop.  It's really quite simple and within 10 games of the college season teams would adjust.

1)  A first or second flop should be treated exactly like a Flagrant 1.  No warnings, no nonsense, an immediate F-1.

2) A 3rd or 4th flop should be treated as a flagrant 2. 

3) A 5th flop is a 10 game suspension.

4) A 6th flop means your season is over

The fact is this is not. basketball, it never has been.  It's horrible for the game and many skirt the rules and get away with it.  All flop plays should be reviewable just as flagrant fouls are reviewable.  If these rules were enacted there would be very little if any flopping, even from the colossal douchebags like Davison.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 16, 2022, 02:29:58 PM
Here's what I would do with the flop.  It's really quite simple and within 10 games of the college season teams would adjust.

1)  A first or second flop should be treated exactly like a Flagrant 1.  No warnings, no nonsense, an immediate F-1.

2) A 3rd or 4th flop should be treated as a flagrant 2. 

3) A 5th flop is a 10 game suspension.

4) A 6th flop means your season is over

The fact is this is not. basketball, it never has been.  It's horrible for the game and many skirt the rules and get away with it.  All flop plays should be reviewable just as flagrant fouls are reviewable.  If these rules were enacted there would be very little if any flopping, even from the colossal douchebags like Davison.



Yeah this is way too harsh.  Again, if refs wouldn't call them, flops wouldn't happen. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 16, 2022, 03:37:38 PM


Yeah this is way too harsh.  Again, if refs wouldn't call them, flops wouldn't happen.

Yes, sports need less extrajudicial policing and less points of emphasis. Just call the rule book.

When they put the semicircles in, teams adjusted. Simple, quantified. Now with the hook and hold, we are back to not knowing what's an offensive foul or not with these flops, which are taught. Ignore them and they go away.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 16, 2022, 03:45:39 PM
Here's what I would do with the flop.  It's really quite simple and within 10 games of the college season teams would adjust.

1)  A first or second flop should be treated exactly like a Flagrant 1.  No warnings, no nonsense, an immediate F-1.

2) A 3rd or 4th flop should be treated as a flagrant 2. 

3) A 5th flop is a 10 game suspension.

4) A 6th flop means your season is over

The fact is this is not. basketball, it never has been.  It's horrible for the game and many skirt the rules and get away with it.  All flop plays should be reviewable just as flagrant fouls are reviewable.  If these rules were enacted there would be very little if any flopping, even from the colossal douchebags like Davison.

Alright lets settle down.

Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: We R Final Four on February 16, 2022, 03:55:07 PM
7th flop…….public hanging.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: rocky_warrior on February 16, 2022, 04:21:34 PM
7th flop…….public hanging.

No torture first?  Pity.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: jesmu84 on February 16, 2022, 04:21:54 PM
Doesn't the rulebook state something about trying to deceive the refs? That's what a flop is, right?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: tower912 on February 16, 2022, 04:36:23 PM
Muggsy, flops are not worse than flagrant fouls.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: lawdog77 on February 16, 2022, 04:51:54 PM
Alright lets settle down.
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Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on February 16, 2022, 06:53:25 PM
Fine.  I don't like flopping.  Perhaps I was too anachronistic and hostile.  Maybe there's a happy compromise?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on February 16, 2022, 07:24:36 PM
What an absolute HEATER Rutgers is on
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 16, 2022, 07:26:27 PM
RAC Attacks are real
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: DegenerateDish on February 16, 2022, 07:40:54 PM
It’s amazing what Rutgers is doing at the RAC. They’re just whipping Illinois tonight.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on February 16, 2022, 08:25:06 PM
What a bunch of nonsense by Donny Marshall.  "Gillespie created separation as BEPOY?  Uh.....no.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on February 16, 2022, 08:27:34 PM
Too much launching. Attack the rim.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: shoothoops on February 18, 2022, 08:36:04 AM
Tomorrow morning on ESPN College Game Day, there will be a story worth your time.

Justin Hardy a Senior from Washington University in St. Louis, has been a key player, averaging 12 and 6 on a team ranked in the D-3 Top 10 most of the season.

He also happens to have stage 4 stomach cancer. He has received chemo treatments early in the week, so he can play in games later in the week.

Justin is from St. Charles, Illinois, outside of Chicago.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: pbiflyer on February 18, 2022, 08:42:12 AM


Yeah this is way too harsh.  Again, if refs wouldn't call them, flops wouldn't happen.

On the positive side, floppy’s season would be over 10 minutes into a game if that rule was implemented.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: shoothoops on February 19, 2022, 11:22:42 AM
Tomorrow morning on ESPN College Game Day, there will be a story worth your time.

Justin Hardy a Senior from Washington University in St. Louis, has been a key player, averaging 12 and 6 on a team ranked in the D-3 Top 10 most of the season.

He also happens to have stage 4 stomach cancer. He has received chemo treatments early in the week, so he can play in games later in the week.

Justin is from St. Charles, Illinois, outside of Chicago.

https://twitter.com/WASHUBears/status/1495077063618879495?t=e_JXyYa1vKiqTXnS9r6Wog&s=19
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: tower912 on February 19, 2022, 11:39:35 AM
Oof.  Sparty with 12 points in 15 minutes at home.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 19, 2022, 11:56:33 AM
Oof.  Sparty with 12 points in 15 minutes at home.

Down 12 at half.  Izzo-Dukiet doing a terrible job finding good rotations this year
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: tower912 on February 19, 2022, 12:39:21 PM
Illinois with Cockburn is a completely different beast.   If we face them again, I hope it is the second weekend.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on February 19, 2022, 02:49:38 PM
Moser's team just got blown out in Ames. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on February 19, 2022, 03:18:05 PM
Auburn’s got the #1 draft pick … and he never touched the basketball on the final dumpster-fire of a possession as the Fightin’ Pearls fall at Florida.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on February 19, 2022, 03:29:33 PM
Iowa up 11 at Ohio St.  A top 4 seed is still in play for MU.   Gotta take care of business tomorrow.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: DegenerateDish on February 19, 2022, 03:46:47 PM
Iowa up 11 at Ohio St.  A top 4 seed is still in play for MU.   Gotta take care of business tomorrow.

MU, at a minimum, is going to need to get to the BET finals for a top 4 seed.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on February 19, 2022, 04:10:56 PM
MU, at a minimum, is going to need to get to the BET finals for a top 4 seed.

Maybe but a lot can happen between now and then. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on February 20, 2022, 01:14:47 PM
MIchigan completely throwing away this game in Madison.  They have missed about 10 wide open corner triples.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: rocket surgeon on February 20, 2022, 01:51:55 PM
Butler hangin tough. A win over providence is big for us
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: BM1090 on February 20, 2022, 01:53:20 PM
Butler hangin tough. A win over providence is big for us

Why? Would much prefer a PC win.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: tower912 on February 20, 2022, 01:59:43 PM
Wisconsin Michigan handshake line.   Oh, my.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Jockey on February 20, 2022, 02:00:27 PM
Brawl in Madison.

Howard should be suspended for the year.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: cheebs09 on February 20, 2022, 02:03:06 PM
Brawl in Madison.

Howard should be suspended for the year.

Wonder if it had something to do with Michigan fouling so late. Although Wisconsin had their starters in fairly late.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Lennys Tap on February 20, 2022, 02:03:38 PM
Juwan Howard is a punk.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 20, 2022, 02:05:14 PM
Juwan Howard is a punk.
He should be fired.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Jockey on February 20, 2022, 02:06:01 PM
Wonder if it had something to do with Michigan fouling so late. Although Wisconsin had their starters in fairly late.

Wisconsin emptied their bench. Up 15 in final 30 seconds, Howard had his starters with full court press. So Gard called a timeout. Howard got pissed.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on February 20, 2022, 02:06:08 PM
He should be fired.

I missed it but just heard.  He took a swing at Gard??
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: BM1090 on February 20, 2022, 02:09:24 PM
He should be fired.

Depends what was said. Definitely needs to be suspended for the year
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Jockey on February 20, 2022, 02:10:29 PM
I missed it but just heard.  He took a swing at Gard??

No. Krabbenhoff.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: CountryRoads on February 20, 2022, 02:10:51 PM
Michigan really sucks.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: #UnleashSean on February 20, 2022, 02:10:53 PM
Wisconsin Michigan handshake line.   Oh, my.

Gard calling a timeout with 15 seconds and up 15 doesn't help.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 20, 2022, 02:11:05 PM
I missed it but just heard.  He took a swing at Gard??

Joe Krabbenhoft

Another Michigan player had a major swing as well.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: cheebs09 on February 20, 2022, 02:12:28 PM
Wisconsin emptied their bench. Up 15 in final 30 seconds, Howard had his starters with full court press. So Gard called a timeout. Howard got pissed.

Got it. Just saw the video. That’s a real bad look for Michigan.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on February 20, 2022, 02:12:54 PM
Joe Krabbenhoft

Another Michigan player had a major swing as well.

Uhhhh....WTF??  Crazy.   
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 20, 2022, 02:13:38 PM
Jeez. Possibly throwing your career away because the other coach called a timeout. 😂😂😂
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: lawdog77 on February 20, 2022, 02:14:35 PM
Joe Krabbenhoft

Another Michigan player had a major swing as well.
Yeah, wonder what Krabbenhoft said. Krabbenhoft came in late acting like the tough guy, and actually touched a Michigan player. No excuse for Howard to reach out and give him a love tap though.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 20, 2022, 02:15:51 PM
https://twitter.com/mattbrownep/status/1495490371668918276?s=21
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 20, 2022, 02:17:36 PM
Hes not getting fired.

But definitely should and will be suspended.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Merit Matters on February 20, 2022, 02:19:44 PM
So much anger
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: tower912 on February 20, 2022, 02:23:48 PM
Suspensions all around.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Jockey on February 20, 2022, 02:24:10 PM
Jeez. Possibly throwing your career away because the other coach called a timeout. 😂😂😂

I thought it was obvious that Gard called the TO in response to Howard pressing when the game was over.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on February 20, 2022, 02:32:24 PM
Got it. Just saw the video. That’s a real bad look for Michigan.
Careful, saying something bad about Michigan will force keefe to call your HR department
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 20, 2022, 02:33:31 PM
Unacceptable and no excuses can be made for Juwan Howard.  Michigan should suspend him through the remainder of the season at the least
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on February 20, 2022, 03:16:20 PM
Unacceptable and no excuses can be made for Juwan Howard.  Michigan should suspend him through the remainder of the season at the least

I was thinking 5 games minimum when I watched the replay. Anything less condones this from a “leader.”

The rest of the season, including Big 14 tournament, would be even better.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 20, 2022, 03:24:22 PM
I was thinking 5 games minimum when I watched the replay. Anything less condones this from a “leader.”

The rest of the season, including Big 14 tournament, would be even better.

I’d suspend him for the year.  There’s something deeper there with Howard and UW, or so I’ve been told by a Michigan “insider”.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on February 20, 2022, 05:34:58 PM
Well, that's what Gard gets for breaking one of Tony La Russa's "unwritten rules."
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Ardmore Mug on February 20, 2022, 06:08:51 PM
Welllllll....  after reviewing the video, in verrryyy sloooowwww motion. It appeared Howard was doing a walk-by, w/o a shake and prob saying something to Gard...  and GARD actually grabbed his Juan's arm, thereby, making Howard stop and prob said a few things that really pissed Gard off... Again, Gard grabbed Howard FIRST ! ! !, oh yea, then watch gard slip back into the 3rd row of people on the court ! ! !  lol   8-)
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 20, 2022, 06:25:39 PM
Welllllll....  after reviewing the video, in verrryyy sloooowwww motion. It appeared Howard was doing a walk-by, w/o a shake and prob saying something to Gard...  and GARD actually grabbed his Juan's arm, thereby, making Howard stop and prob said a few things that really pissed Gard off... Again, Gard grabbed Howard FIRST ! ! !, oh yea, then watch gard slip back into the 3rd row of people on the court ! ! !  lol   8-)


The mental gymnastics that people will go through to justify a guy who threw a punch just because the opponent is UW is amazing.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: wadesworld on February 20, 2022, 06:26:44 PM
Moral of the story: get rid of the handshake line. This isn’t 10 year old youth soccer. What good comes of it?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 20, 2022, 06:31:07 PM
Moral of the story: get rid of the handshake line. This isn’t 10 year old youth soccer. What good comes of it?

Yeah, I have no idea why they do this still.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Ardmore Mug on February 20, 2022, 06:38:34 PM
I didn't JUSTIFY what Howard did.... All I did was state what I viewed in Slo-Mo! ! !   Take what u want from that ! ! !Don't put words in my mouth ! ! !  8-)
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: shoothoops on February 20, 2022, 07:26:20 PM
If someone wants to walk past you and not speak with you, it’s better to not cut off their path and put your hands on that person. It’s pretty simple, you don’t put your hands on another person unsolicited, and, that’s what Gard did to Howard. If you do that you need to expect that person will put their hands on you or worse.

Howard’s grab/reach wasn’t a good response to it.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 20, 2022, 08:34:57 PM
Washington State up on #17 USC on FS1. 55-49. 6 minutes left. Cougars have only 3, 2 point field goals.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: StillAWarrior on February 21, 2022, 06:23:14 AM
Well, that's what Gard gets for breaking one of Tony La Russa's "unwritten rules."

The fact that this is pretty much the position Howard took during the post-game presser is one of the reasons I think the suspension should be significant. I think five games would be reasonable.

Gard deserves one too, but I think one or two games is enough for grabbing Howard’s arm.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: tower912 on February 21, 2022, 06:26:10 AM
The fact that this is pretty much the position Howard took during the post-game presser is one of the reasons I think the suspension should be significant. I think five games would be reasonable.

Gard deserves one too, but I think one or two games is enough for grabbing Howard’s arm.
There is plenty of blame and I don't excuse any of them.  Krabbenhof certainly didn't de-escalate the situation.   I wonder if he gets a game, too.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on February 21, 2022, 07:46:35 AM
Juwan Howard was more upset about Gard's timeout than Chris Webber's.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 22, 2022, 07:44:01 PM
Izzo-Dukiet’s Spartans getting run out of the gym at Iowa and about to lose their 3rd straight and 5th out of 6.  IzzoIsMarch
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: WhiteTrash on February 22, 2022, 09:10:31 PM
Izzo-Dukiet’s Spartans getting run out of the gym at Iowa and about to lose their 3rd straight and 5th out of 6.  IzzoIsMarch
Sparty fans really giving Izzo the business on their fan board. Vast majority calling for him to step down. A few saying they can't loose him because of the "who could we ever get that is any good" syndrome that afflicted some MU fans a year ago.

I'm no Izzo fan (reminds me your typical HS gym coach only without the high and tight "Bike" shorts.) but he deserves a few more years before I'd conclude he has lost his mojo.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on February 22, 2022, 09:12:58 PM
86-60?

2 pts for Joseph Hauser?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: tower912 on February 22, 2022, 09:16:30 PM
Izzo will survive this.  Not even close.   
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on February 22, 2022, 09:25:26 PM
86-60?

2 pts for Joseph Hauser?

Wrong thread.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on February 22, 2022, 09:57:28 PM
Would you take Holmgren #2 if you were an NBA GM?  I dunno why but I have a lot of doubt about his potential.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on February 22, 2022, 11:09:35 PM
42 whole points for the Fightin' Mosers tonight.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Hards Alumni on February 23, 2022, 06:13:48 AM
Would you take Holmgren #2 if you were an NBA GM?  I dunno why but I have a lot of doubt about his potential.

I wouldn't.  Personally.

Can't wait for this to be used against me if I'm wrong.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: tower912 on February 23, 2022, 06:18:00 AM
If MU ends up on the 8-9 line in their bracket, I think that OMP and Oso will have a better chance of defending him than most of what he has seen this year.   Kur guarding Timme, Lewis sliding over when Oso is in and OMP is out.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on February 23, 2022, 09:33:40 AM
Haven't seen enough of Holmgren to have an opinion yet.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on February 23, 2022, 09:55:33 PM
Let's go Gophers.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Lennys Tap on February 23, 2022, 10:51:00 PM
I wouldn't.  Personally.

Can't wait for this to be used against me if I'm wrong.

Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean people aren’t out to get you, a’ina?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on February 24, 2022, 09:36:28 AM
Would you take Holmgren #2 if you were an NBA GM?  I dunno why but I have a lot of doubt about his potential.

I think his potential is very high.  But I don’t know if I’d go #2 right now cause I’m not sure he’s ready to contribute right away
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 24, 2022, 07:18:01 PM
Nebraska keeping Hoiberg
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on February 24, 2022, 08:36:22 PM
I think his potential is very high.  But I don’t know if I’d go #2 right now cause I’m not sure he’s ready to contribute right away

Would you take him before Ivey,, Davis, or Murray?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: tower912 on February 24, 2022, 08:40:20 PM
Playing right now.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on February 24, 2022, 08:49:08 PM
Who is Plummer on Illinois?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 24, 2022, 08:53:22 PM
Who is Plummer on Illinois?

Alfonso Plummer
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on February 24, 2022, 09:35:20 PM
Never heard of him.  Illinois is getting punked right now at Home.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on February 24, 2022, 10:04:30 PM
Underwood just went bananas over a flop.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 24, 2022, 11:13:40 PM
Nvm
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on February 25, 2022, 07:07:12 AM
Would you take him before Ivey,, Davis, or Murray?

Ivey is a toss up.  I could go with either of them 3 and 4 behind Jabari and Banchero.

I’d absolutely take him over Davis or Murray.  His ceiling is super high whereas I don’t think Davis’ is and Murray im not entirely sold on
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 25, 2022, 08:41:35 AM
Would you take him before Ivey,, Davis, or Murray?

If a team takes Davis before Holmgrem they are clinically insane.

I also think it would be pretty nuts to take either of the other two over him as well. But more understandable.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Billy Hoyle on February 25, 2022, 01:40:29 PM
I think his potential is very high.  But I don’t know if I’d go #2 right now cause I’m not sure he’s ready to contribute right away

Holmgren is big who can lead the break, play inside an out (44% from three). The guy is what Porzingis was on track to be before the injuries. He'll end the season averaging a double double on the #1 team in the country. An NBA team's strength program will put at least 20 pounds on him before the season starts.  He's a game-changing prospect. Davis is at best CJ McCollum.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on February 25, 2022, 08:25:25 PM
Chet Holmgren? Not on my radar.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: panda on February 25, 2022, 08:33:32 PM
Holmgren is big who can lead the break, play inside an out (44% from three). The guy is what Porzingis was on track to be before the injuries. He'll end the season averaging a double double on the #1 team in the country. An NBA team's strength program will put at least 20 pounds on him before the season starts.  He's a game-changing prospect. Davis is at best CJ McCollum.

It’ll take a couple of years in the nba, but he’s going to be a stud when he gets used to his body ala Giannis.

They’re very different players, but they both displayed a ton of natural basketball ability early on and the one thing holding them back were strength/physical maturity.

Chet has it all. Just needs a couple years.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Billy Hoyle on February 25, 2022, 09:13:50 PM
It’ll take a couple of years in the nba, but he’s going to be a stud when he gets used to his body ala Giannis.

They’re very different players, but they both displayed a ton of natural basketball ability early on and the one thing holding them back were strength/physical maturity.

Chet has it all. Just needs a couple years.

100%. Durant couldn’t do one bench press at 185 at the NBA combine. Garnett was more scrawny coming out if HS than Chet is now. Giannis is an excellent comparison too. His guard skills, thanks to his late growth spurt, are what set him apart.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: panda on February 25, 2022, 09:34:47 PM
100%. Durant couldn’t do one bench press at 185 at the NBA combine. Garnett was more scrawny coming out if HS than Chet is now. Giannis is an excellent comparison too. His guard skills, thanks to his late growth spurt, are what set him apart.

Yep - the default knock on Chet is “he’s too soft for the nba.” That may be true year one but he has enough skills to stay on the floor and contribute from day 1. Watch out once his body catches up with his skill set.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 25, 2022, 09:39:18 PM
Yep - the default knock on Chet is “he’s too soft for the nba.” That may be true year one but he has enough skills to stay on the floor and contribute from day 1. Watch out once his body catches up with his skill set.

He’s a potential unicorn.  So much of the draft is based on potential anyway, I’d take him over any other player.

Jabari, Paolo and Jaden might be All-Stars but Chet could be a franchise defining player.  Maybe he won’t be but I think it’s worth the risk as the 3 I mentioned might be really good but as Robins versus Batmans
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: panda on February 25, 2022, 09:54:33 PM
He’s a potential unicorn.  So much of the draft is based on potential anyway, I’d take him over any other player.

Jabari, Paolo and Jaden might be All-Stars but Chet could be a franchise defining player.  Maybe he won’t be but I think it’s worth the risk as the 3 I mentioned might be really good but as Robins versus Batmans

I don’t see him as a superstar/cornerstone piece. He doesn’t have the athleticism that will make up for his lack of bulk.

He will be a long time pro, playing at an all star level in his prime, but I don’t see him dominating throughout his career. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 25, 2022, 10:22:41 PM
I don’t see him as a superstar/cornerstone piece. He doesn’t have the athleticism that will make up for his lack of bulk.

He will be a long time pro, playing at an all star level in his prime, but I don’t see him dominating throughout his career.

I don’t know.  If the body fills out, he has the chance to be.  That’s why I say potential.  I don’t see that from the other guys around him.  Good players, not necessarily superstars.

A lot of it will have to do with desire to be great.  Skinny dudes like KD and Giannis that bulked up and became great had the desire to be great and not just another guy.  That matters! 

Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: lawdog77 on February 26, 2022, 05:45:29 AM
100%. Durant couldn’t do one bench press at 185 at the NBA combine. Garnett was more scrawny coming out if HS than Chet is now. Giannis is an excellent comparison too. His guard skills, thanks to his late growth spurt, are what set him apart.
Garnett was measured at 6 11-215 lbs at the predraft camp, Holmgren is listed at 7 ft, 195. Giannis is not a good comparison, as Giannis always had out of this world athleticism, Holmgren doesn't seem to have that.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: panda on February 26, 2022, 06:09:07 AM
I don’t know.  If the body fills out, he has the chance to be.  That’s why I say potential.  I don’t see that from the other guys around him.  Good players, not necessarily superstars.

A lot of it will have to do with desire to be great.  Skinny dudes like KD and Giannis that bulked up and became great had the desire to be great and not just another guy.  That matters!

The difference between Chet and kd/giannis is that Chet doesn’t have the one out of this world talent. Giannis = elite athleticism and kd = elite shooter.

Not to say Chet won’t be good, but that will be the difference between good and great for him.

Definitely splitting hairs :-)
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: CreightonWarrior on February 26, 2022, 08:14:09 AM
Nebraska keeping Hoiberg
As a Creighton fan who hates Nebraska sports I love this.
Creighton has won more conference games this month than hoiberg has in his entire Nebraska tenure.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: rocket surgeon on February 26, 2022, 08:58:04 AM
The difference between Chet and kd/giannis is that Chet doesn’t have the one out of this world talent. Giannis = elite athleticism and kd = elite shooter.

Not to say Chet won’t be good, but that will be the difference between good and great for him.

Definitely splitting hairs :-)

giannis, KD and KG had the bodies to bulk up.  not so sure chet has a kent benson, plumlee or lopez frames to fill out
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 26, 2022, 09:02:13 AM
The difference between Chet and kd/giannis is that Chet doesn’t have the one out of this world talent. Giannis = elite athleticism and kd = elite shooter.

Not to say Chet won’t be good, but that will be the difference between good and great for him.

Definitely splitting hairs :-)

KG and Giannis have “it”.  They have an incredible vision on the court and feel for the game.  Chet has that, too. 

KG and Giannis worked hard to put it all together and morph into the players they are.  I think Chet can do that as well.  He’ll need to work at it, but I think he can be a franchise player
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: panda on February 26, 2022, 09:21:59 AM
KG and Giannis have “it”.  They have an incredible vision on the court and feel for the game.  Chet has that, too. 

KG and Giannis worked hard to put it all together and morph into the players they are.  I think Chet can do that as well.  He’ll need to work at it, but I think he can be a franchise player

Chet is a great player - he doesn’t have the one elite skill that will allow him to be a dominant player. He’ll be a step or two below the elites (not a bad thing).
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: tower912 on February 26, 2022, 10:18:12 AM
Right now, he is more skilled than Giannis was at the same age.    Which is why Giannis lasted until the middle of the first round.    What will he look like in 5 years with 35-40 lbs of muscle on him?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: wadesworld on February 26, 2022, 11:00:38 AM
Right now, he is more skilled than Giannis was at the same age.    Which is why Giannis lasted until the middle of the first round.    What will he look like in 5 years with 35-40 lbs of muscle on him?

Giannis lasted until the middle of the first round because he was playing in Greece’s B League and nobody knew how it might translate to the USA.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on February 26, 2022, 11:03:50 AM
Right now, he is more skilled than Giannis was at the same age.    Which is why Giannis lasted until the middle of the first round.    What will he look like in 5 years with 35-40 lbs of muscle on him?

He won't be Giannis.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: tower912 on February 26, 2022, 11:07:14 AM
Agreed.  He isn't going to be Brad Sellers, either.   More than likely, he will be the number one pick.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on February 26, 2022, 11:10:35 AM
Durant was a high usage rate player with crazy efficiency.  Holmgren is a medium usage player with crazy efficiency.

Giannis possessed elite athleticism that Holmgren lacks.  Neither Durant or Giannis are good comps.

I like Holmgren, he has unicorn potential to be an elite rim defender with good to very good 3 point shooting.  But I don't think he's as good of a prospect as Evan Mobley was last year.

I could see him becoming an elite role player, but not a franchise player unless he develops a Dirk Nowitzki skill set.  Holmgren's slender frame increases his bust potential, especially if the extra weight leads to injuries.

But this is a weak draft.  The top 4 all have question mark.  Jabari Smith has a high floor but he's more likely to reach a Rashard Lewis level than Kevin Durant level.  Ivey has elite athleticism, but stille needs to develop a bit as a ball handler, passer, and shooter .  Banchero is a limited defender and he's gone cold from 3.  I see a better prospect than Julius Randle, but not as good of a prospect as Chris Webber or Chris Bosh.

The tier 2 guys project mostly as role players. Davis is starting to look more like a Kentavious Caldwell-Pope type, Murray looks like a Jeff Green or Harrison Barnes type, Mathurin is a possible 3 & D type but probably not more than that.

AJ Griffin really intrigues me.  Another guy who compares to Harrison Barnes, but I could see him developing into a Khris Middleton type.

Maybe some players will develop more than expected, but right now I see a draft light on stars. A handful will be good players, and a handful or two of role players after that.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on February 26, 2022, 11:12:54 AM
Agreed.  He isn't going to be Brad Sellers, either.   More than likely, he will be the number one pick.

I don't doubt his potential is there down the road, but if it takes 4 years the team that drafts him might not resign him.  The top 3 seem to be locks but I don't think anyone would be surprised if Ivey becomes a superstar.  He has a completely different gear and the NBA is far more open space. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Pakuni on February 26, 2022, 11:40:26 AM
If Holmgren can shoot  the 3 in the NBA the way he does in college, he's going to be exceptionally difficult to guard at the next level.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on February 26, 2022, 11:48:11 AM
If Holmgren can shoot  the 3 in the NBA the way he does in college, he's going to be exceptionally difficult to guard at the next level.

I'm gonna try to watch him tonight.  Who would you compare him to?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 26, 2022, 11:49:10 AM
I'm gonna try to watch him tonight.  Who would you compare him to?

Bob Lanier
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Pakuni on February 26, 2022, 11:54:38 AM
I'm gonna try to watch him tonight.  Who would you compare him to?

Dirk. Not as offensively gifted, but more athletic. Or a less athletic pre-injury Porzingis.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: tower912 on February 26, 2022, 11:57:13 AM
I'm gonna try to watch him tonight.  Who would you compare him to?

A more athletic, better defending, better shooting, quicker, better passing, Henry Ellenson.   Blocks a shot, controls it, dribbles ambidextrously up the floor through traffic and either shoots the 3 or dunks.    I have watched him a few times and always start out unimpressed.   Then he has a stretch and you look up and he has 20-10-5-4.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on February 26, 2022, 11:58:54 AM
Dirk. Not as offensively gifted, but more athletic. Or a less athletic pre-injury Porzingis.

Dirk was obviously an elite, elite, shooter and scorer.  I guess I haven't seen Holmgren enough but  does he have a post game?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: tower912 on February 26, 2022, 12:00:32 PM
Post game no matta.   
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on February 26, 2022, 12:06:19 PM
Post game no matta.

Dirk could get his shot off and create off the bounce with his back to his basket.  He had a high release and was incredibly polished.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 26, 2022, 03:35:05 PM
Kstate and WVU both lose by 1.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on February 26, 2022, 05:15:39 PM
Uhh.... .Rutgers' unis???  WTF??  Revolting.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 26, 2022, 05:17:53 PM
https://twitter.com/actionnetworkhq/status/1497710029062885377?s=21

FSU sends Tony Bennett and Virginia to the NIT barring an ACC Tourney win
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on February 26, 2022, 07:01:43 PM
What exactly is the proper call when an offensive player extends his off hand while handling the ball?   If it's minor contact is it always a play on?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: CountryRoads on February 26, 2022, 07:19:16 PM
Another good win for Bucky. Alone in first place. Would have to think Rutgers is on the outside looking in now.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on February 26, 2022, 07:21:07 PM
Another good win for Bucky. Alone in first place. Would have to think Rutgers is on the outside looking in now.

Rutgers has quite a few good wins.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: CountryRoads on February 26, 2022, 07:28:52 PM
Rutgers has quite a few good wins.

They have an interesting resume. I just think that their NET of 83 would be unprecedented for an at large selection.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on February 26, 2022, 09:27:49 PM
Six top ten teams have lost today.

I'm honestly concerned the Weasel/Rodents could make a deep run.   There's no dominant team.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on February 26, 2022, 09:42:20 PM
Uhhhh....Gonzaga is not having a good first half. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 26, 2022, 09:51:30 PM
Six top ten teams have lost today.



Unreal when you think about it. Yet, Arizona losing at Colorado is the only real stunner. Colorado just got blown out by ASU on Thursday.

Gonzaga trails by 15 points at halftime.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Hards Alumni on February 26, 2022, 10:18:37 PM
Uhhhh....Gonzaga is not having a good first half.

Hell yes
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on February 26, 2022, 10:40:14 PM
Holmgren has a lot of skills but it's going to take him some time.  He moves really well and cab handle and pass.  That said when you saw Embiid play at Kansas you could tell immediately he was going you be a superstar.  He was so much more talented and with a greater upside than Wiggins or Parker it was laughable.  I think it's a tough call on Holmgren if you're a GM and you believe Ivey or Davis is a immediate star player. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on February 26, 2022, 10:57:15 PM
I can't imagine teams ranked 1-6 have lost before on the same day. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Hards Alumni on February 26, 2022, 11:00:11 PM
I can't imagine teams ranked 1-6 have lost before on the same day.

HELL YES
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on March 01, 2022, 08:10:45 PM
Thats a suboptimal loss for OSU
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: NolongerWarriors on March 01, 2022, 08:43:33 PM
Chucky Hepburn is going to end up being really good for Wisconsin.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: wadesworld on March 01, 2022, 08:46:29 PM
Chucky Hepburn is going to end up being really good for Wisconsin.

You get banned from Buckyville or what?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JoeSmith1721 on March 01, 2022, 10:16:06 PM
Lol these tools just banked in their last two shots to win the Big14.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: BM1090 on March 01, 2022, 10:17:07 PM
Good for them. Good for MU. Crazy game.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: NolongerWarriors on March 01, 2022, 10:17:19 PM
Coach of the Year Greg Gard
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: CountryRoads on March 01, 2022, 10:20:47 PM
Lol these tools just banked in their last two shots to win the Big14.

They had the best record over a 20 game season. They earned it.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: NolongerWarriors on March 01, 2022, 10:28:23 PM
Scoopers love to belittle Greg Gard and his recruiting, but UW has had a share of Big Ten title in 2 out of the last 3 years.

And I'm sure Shaka would love to have a freshman as talented as Chucky Hepburn.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Billy Hoyle on March 01, 2022, 10:49:44 PM
Lol these tools just banked in their last two shots to win the Big14.

They count the same bright?

Death, taxes, obsessed Scoopers declaring Madison dead before they end up ranked. They’re like roaches.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on March 01, 2022, 10:56:19 PM
Why are people besmirching scoopers?  This is absurd, you're posting on an MU Hoops Forum.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on March 01, 2022, 10:58:32 PM
Zona is eviscerating USC in Cali.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 01, 2022, 11:11:57 PM
It won’t happen, but if the East is Wisconsin as a 1 seed, and Providence as a 2 seed, there will be lots of money to be made.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on March 01, 2022, 11:34:54 PM
It won’t happen, but if the East is Wisconsin as a 1 seed, and Providence as a 2 seed, there will be lots of money to be made.

Oh.  You mean I should l unload and go all in on Providence??
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 02, 2022, 06:04:32 AM
It won’t happen, but if the East is Wisconsin as a 1 seed, and Providence as a 2 seed, there will be lots of money to be made.

If I’m a 1-seed and those 2 get placed in my region, I’m thanking the committee.  The bill always comes due
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on March 02, 2022, 06:38:49 AM
Hepburn is a decent player but pretending that Shaka would lust over a freshman averaging 8 and 2 and 35% from dee just cause he had a nice game and banked in a 3 is hilarious.  He was a non factor against Purdue last game. Goose egg against OSU. Nothing special against U of I and MSU, etc…

I’ll take Kam Jones over Hepburn all day and twice on Sunday.

Badger trolls gonna troll
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: panda on March 02, 2022, 06:40:44 AM
Hepburn is a decent player but pretending that Shaka would lust over a freshman averaging 8 and 2 and 35% from dee just cause he had a nice game and banked in a 3 is hilarious.  He was a non factor against Purdue last game. Goose egg against OSU. Nothing special against U of I and MSU, etc…

I’ll take Kam Jones over Hepburn all day and twice on Sunday.

Badger trolls gonna troll

He’s coming on strong in the last few games and he’s the perfect fit for gard. Will be annoyingly good for them for awhile. What I hope Stevie will be for us.

But cmon - Jones and Joplin both have infinitely higher ceilings than Hepburn.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Lennys Tap on March 02, 2022, 06:44:35 AM
Scoopers love to belittle Greg Gard and his recruiting, but UW has had a share of Big Ten title in 2 out of the last 3 years.

And I'm sure Shaka would love to have a freshman as talented as Chucky Hepburn.

I’d rather have Freshman Audrey Hepburn. Not close.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: panda on March 02, 2022, 06:54:57 AM
Scoopers love to belittle Greg Gard and his recruiting, but UW has had a share of Big Ten title in 2 out of the last 3 years.

And I'm sure Shaka would love to have a freshman as talented as Chucky Hepburn.

Have you seen a kid UW is looking at for next season ? Ryan Hears ?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 02, 2022, 07:18:31 AM
I’d rather have Freshman Audrey Hepburn. Not close.

I second that
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: lawdog77 on March 02, 2022, 07:33:33 AM
Hepburn is a decent player but pretending that Shaka would lust over a freshman averaging 8 and 2 and 35% from dee just cause he had a nice game and banked in a 3 is hilarious.  He was a non factor against Purdue last game. Goose egg against OSU. Nothing special against U of I and MSU, etc…

I’ll take Kam Jones over Hepburn all day and twice on Sunday.

Badger trolls gonna troll
Agree 100%, and he's not going to start over our other Freshman PG, Tyler Kolek.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 02, 2022, 07:38:42 AM
I didn’t fully realize how bad UWM and UWGB were this year.  Just embarrassing performances this season.  Competing in the Horizon shouldn’t be a big ask.  Understand some teams have to finish last but to be 336th and 343rd in KenPom respectively is terrible
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: NolongerWarriors on March 02, 2022, 07:59:49 AM
He’s coming on strong in the last few games and he’s the perfect fit for gard. Will be annoyingly good for them for awhile. What I hope Stevie will be for us.

But cmon - Jones and Joplin both have infinitely higher ceilings than Hepburn.

Stevie Mitchell can't dribble.

He's decent defensively and inept offensively.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 02, 2022, 08:04:42 AM
Stevie Mitchell can't dribble.

He's decent defensively and inept offensively.

Thanks for your input
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on March 02, 2022, 08:17:11 AM
I didn’t fully realize how bad UWM and UWGB were this year.  Just embarrassing performances this season.  Competing in the Horizon shouldn’t be a big ask.  Understand some teams have to finish last but to be 336th and 343rd in KenPom respectively is terrible

Yes, it was pretty bad watching it.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on March 02, 2022, 08:24:07 AM
I didn’t fully realize how bad UWM and UWGB were this year.  Just embarrassing performances this season.  Competing in the Horizon shouldn’t be a big ask.  Understand some teams have to finish last but to be 336th and 343rd in KenPom respectively is terrible

Pat Baldwin just going out in blaze of dumpster fire glory.  All the buzz from his kid coming to UWM.  He plays in well under half their games, only scores more than 20 twice, and the team is absolutely horrific to boot.  I mean good lord.

As for UWGB, who knew that hiring a mediocre mid major assistant whose only credentials were having a famous dad , who was on staff as his mentor crashed and burned at Ohio U and then was thoroughly mediocre in his lone season as a D2 HC, wouldn’t work. Maybe they thought Bo would take a break from his extracurriculars to sit on the bench?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 02, 2022, 08:53:08 AM
Pat Baldwin just going out in blaze of dumpster fire glory.  All the buzz from his kid coming to UWM.  He plays in well under half their games, only scores more than 20 twice, and the team is absolutely horrific to boot.  I mean good lord.

As for UWGB, who knew that hiring a mediocre mid major assistant whose only credentials were having a famous dad , who was on staff as his mentor crashed and burned at Ohio U and then was thoroughly mediocre in his lone season as a D2 HC, wouldn’t work. Maybe they thought Bo would take a break from his extracurriculars to sit on the bench?

Nepotism in coaching at all levels is a problem and often hurts better candidates
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Billy Hoyle on March 02, 2022, 11:15:38 AM
Why are people besmirching scoopers?  This is absurd, you're posting on an MU Hoops Forum.

every year the Bucky obsessed scoopers write the obituary for Madison basketball as the season starts and every year they find a way to make those posters looks foolish.

If only our Golden Eagles had been as bad as Madison since Gard took over, amirite?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: BrewCity83 on March 02, 2022, 11:20:44 AM
This place is crawlin' with Badger trolls.  Don't feed 'em.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: panda on March 02, 2022, 12:04:10 PM
every year the Bucky obsessed scoopers write the obituary for Madison basketball as the season starts and every year they find a way to make those posters looks foolish.

If only our Golden Eagles had been as bad as Madison since Gard took over, amirite?

Generally this is correct, but the coaching job Gard has done this year is incredible. Very low levels of talent/inexperience and we've watched huge individual transformations as well as team growth on the offensive and defensive end. It pains me to say it, but he should be considered for coach of the year. Extremely impressive.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 02, 2022, 12:05:49 PM
Generally this is correct, but the coaching job Gard has done this year is incredible. Very low levels of talent/inexperience and we've watched huge individual transformations as well as team growth on the offensive and defensive end. It pains me to say it, but he should be considered for coach of the year. Extremely impressive.

15-1 in games decided by 6 or less is impressive stuff. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: panda on March 02, 2022, 12:30:50 PM
15-1 in games decided by 6 or less is impressive stuff.

Enjoy there ride. It's nice to have a guy like Davis to lean on in tight games.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on March 02, 2022, 01:06:05 PM
It's OK to begrudgingly concede that Madison has had an excellent season, with individual players improving significantly and the team playing well as a group AND to point out that they've been more than a little lucky.

Oh, and eff Madison. I'll enjoy watching Gard and his ranks choke during the NCAA tournament, when the banks won't be open for them.

Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 02, 2022, 01:32:50 PM
It's OK to begrudgingly concede that Madison has had an excellent season, with individual players improving significantly and the team playing well as a group AND to point out that they've been more than a little lucky.

Oh, and eff Madison. I'll enjoy watching Gard and his ranks choke during the NCAA tournament, when the banks won't be open for them.

When the bill comes due, it’ll be painful
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Its DJOver on March 02, 2022, 01:36:35 PM
Baldwin Sr. gone per Goodman.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MUBBau on March 02, 2022, 02:39:43 PM
Wojo to UWM
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on March 02, 2022, 02:50:31 PM
Wojo to UWM
Burn in hell!  ;D
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Jockey on March 02, 2022, 03:42:22 PM
It's OK to begrudgingly concede that Madison has had an excellent season, with individual players improving significantly and the team playing well as a group AND to point out that they've been more than a little lucky.

Oh, and eff Madison. I'll enjoy watching Gard and his ranks choke during the NCAA tournament, when the banks won't be open for them.

It's way too easy to say they win because they are lucky. They win because they are well coached and they recruit tough players.

They have won 15 consecutive games decided by six points or fewer, the longest such streak in Division I since the 3-point line was added in 1986.

And, yes, chances are they will get upset in the tournament - the same as many other teams.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Jockey on March 02, 2022, 03:43:46 PM
I’d rather have Freshman Audrey Hepburn. Not close.

You'd rather have old Katherine Hepburn. ;D
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on March 02, 2022, 08:11:03 PM
Absolutely wild one in Indiana.

Rutgers kid almost threw a season ending punch.

Harper has stones.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on March 03, 2022, 11:12:31 AM
Absolutely wild one in Indiana.

Rutgers kid almost threw a season ending punch.

Harper has stones.

Shocked it was a F2.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 03, 2022, 11:34:24 AM
Wisconsin and Providence are lucky in the sense that they are statistical outliers.  It is very unlikely to have a near perfect record in close games.

That's it.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 03, 2022, 12:46:15 PM
Nepotism in coaching at all levels is a problem and often hurts better candidates



Seams ta mee #12 did pretty well, back in da dey, aina?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 03, 2022, 04:32:21 PM
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/juli-boeheim-syracuse-basketball-coach-jim-boeheims-wife-robbed-at-gunpoint-by-kid-while-in-her-car/

Tough times in Syracuse, NY.  Have to imagine parents won’t send their kids to school there anymore
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 03, 2022, 05:33:13 PM
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/juli-boeheim-syracuse-basketball-coach-jim-boeheims-wife-robbed-at-gunpoint-by-kid-while-in-her-car/

Tough times in Syracuse, NY.  Have to imagine parents won’t send their kids to school there anymore

But I heard that only happens near the Marquette campus
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 03, 2022, 06:37:59 PM
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/juli-boeheim-syracuse-basketball-coach-jim-boeheims-wife-robbed-at-gunpoint-by-kid-while-in-her-car/

Tough times in Syracuse, NY.  Have to imagine parents won’t send their kids to school there anymore

Mods - can you please move this to the brunch thread?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 03, 2022, 06:47:52 PM
Double-double for Jamal Cain in the 1st half as Oakland leads Wright State by 8
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 03, 2022, 07:37:52 PM
Wright State on a 26-1 run to take a ten-point lead 😮
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on March 03, 2022, 09:04:54 PM
Have you seen what ticket prices are going for at Cameron for Coach K's last game?  The average price is $6900.  I find that beyond bizarre.  Especially since they're playing a crap team.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on March 03, 2022, 09:08:49 PM
Have you seen what ticket prices are going for at Cameron for Coach K's last game?  The average price is $6900.  I find that beyond bizarre.  Especially since they're playing a crap team.

1. It has nothing to do with who they're playing.

2. UNC is a bubble team this season, but it's still Duke-UNC. If Madison sucks, we still want to see MU beat them. And Duke-UNC is 10x the rivalry MU-Madison is.

3. See No. 1.

It's obviously all about K's last home game, nothing else.

For a student there, it would be difficult to resist selling. Even with inflation, 7 grand pays for a lot of weed and beer!
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on March 03, 2022, 09:33:15 PM
1. It has nothing to do with who they're playing.

2. UNC is a bubble team this season, but it's still Duke-UNC. If Madison sucks, we still want to see MU beat them. And Duke-UNC is 10x the rivalry MU-Madison is.

I'd sell the ticket in 5 secs if I wasn't a student.  Am I missing the novelty of this?  In the history of sports all-time great coaches have retired.  7K is absolutely insane.  The best seats are 50K btw. 

3. See No. 1.

It's obviously all about K's last home game, nothing else.

For a student there, it would be difficult to resist selling. Even with inflation, 7 grand pays for a lot of weed and beer!
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: StillAWarrior on March 04, 2022, 07:45:05 AM
1. It has nothing to do with who they're playing.

2. UNC is a bubble team this season, but it's still Duke-UNC. If Madison sucks, we still want to see MU beat them. And Duke-UNC is 10x the rivalry MU-Madison is.

3. See No. 1.

It's obviously all about K's last home game, nothing else.

For a student there, it would be difficult to resist selling. Even with inflation, 7 grand pays for a lot of weed and beer!

Yeah, the combination of "It's K's last game at Cameron" and Duke-UNC (with a heavy emphasis on the former) will do that. Obviously, K's finale is a huge deal. But Duke-UNC is one of "those" matchups. I'm not a fan of either program, but as a sports fan, that's a bucket list item for me.  That game is always a premium. I just did a quick google search and saw an article (https://fanbuzz.com/college-basketball/ncaa-acc/duke-unc-ticket-prices/) from 2019 and the average ticket was $4,600+. I understand that was two top-10 teams and Zion, but still...that's a matchup and location that's known to drive a premium price. When you add something like K's swan song, it's not surprising that it's through the roof.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: CountryRoads on March 04, 2022, 07:52:06 AM
Yeah, the combination of "It's K's last game at Cameron" and Duke-UNC (with a heavy on the former) will do that. Obviously, K's finale is a huge deal. But Duke-UNC is one of "those" matchups. I'm not a fan of either program, but as a sports fan, that's a bucket list item for me.  That game is always a premium. I just did a quick google search and saw an article (https://fanbuzz.com/college-basketball/ncaa-acc/duke-unc-ticket-prices/) from 2019 and the average ticket was $4,600+. I understand that was two top-10 teams and Zion, but still...that's a matchup and location that's known to drive a premium price. When you add something like K's swan song, it's not surprising that it's through the roof.

I seem to recall some guy paid like 11 grand to sit court side specifically to see Zion. I think Zion got hurt in like the first 30 seconds and was out the rest of the game. Maybe I’m misremembering.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 04, 2022, 07:59:08 AM
Sew itz knot cuza Theo's last hom game, hey?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on March 04, 2022, 10:58:16 AM
Sew itz knot cuza Theo's last hom game, hey?

Theo's got a good chance to win a natty, so good on him.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: lawdog77 on March 04, 2022, 11:10:32 AM
Wright State on a 26-1 run to take a ten-point lead 😮
Odd stat from this game. ESPN box score shows Oakland having 1 assist for the game.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 04, 2022, 05:39:22 PM
Yeah, the combination of "It's K's last game at Cameron" and Duke-UNC (with a heavy emphasis on the former) will do that. Obviously, K's finale is a huge deal. But Duke-UNC is one of "those" matchups. I'm not a fan of either program, but as a sports fan, that's a bucket list item for me.  That game is always a premium. I just did a quick google search and saw an article (https://fanbuzz.com/college-basketball/ncaa-acc/duke-unc-ticket-prices/) from 2019 and the average ticket was $4,600+. I understand that was two top-10 teams and Zion, but still...that's a matchup and location that's known to drive a premium price. When you add something like K's swan song, it's not surprising that it's through the roof.

I sat second row behind the Duke bench at Cameron a few years ago, it was the best sports experience I’ve ever had in person. I’d highly recommend any college hoops fan go there, even if you hate Duke, that place is awesome. By contrast, I went to Phog Allen and did the same thing, both places are awesome, but if someone asked me to pick one to go back to, it’d be Duke.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on March 04, 2022, 08:09:35 PM
I sat second row behind the Duke bench at Cameron a few years ago, it was the best sports experience I’ve ever had in person. I’d highly recommend any college hoops fan go there, even if you hate Duke, that place is awesome. By contrast, I went to Phog Allen and did the same thing, both places are awesome, but if someone asked me to pick one to go back to, it’d be Duke.

Now you really make me want to go to Cameron, because Phog's the best college hoops atmosphere I've experienced in person.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 05, 2022, 01:11:00 PM
Tennessee absolutely throwing this game away.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on March 05, 2022, 01:13:31 PM
LSU and Bama are two teams I would not be afraid to play.

THey have the potential to boat race.

But both teams have IQs in the single digits that its just as likely they show up to the arena having no clue there is a game even taking place.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on March 05, 2022, 01:21:09 PM
Why are the refs allowed to take 5 minutes for an out of bounds play???

If you dont have a reason to overturn it you cant take the day trying to find one.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on March 05, 2022, 01:46:58 PM
In the end the win is what matters. But my god Will Wades decision on that last possession was among the dumbest ive seen.

When Shaka chose not to foul up 3. He at least had us playing straight up D.

Wade calls for a full court double team press with 7 seconds left, neither guy instructed to foul. Bama easily passes it ahead to a wide open step in 3 point shot(albeit from pretty deep out).

Absolutely no idea what the mindset was there. Better to be lucky than good.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on March 05, 2022, 05:49:47 PM
Wojo getting screen time and name drop in the Duke game.

Looks like his performance with us didnt have him banned from chilling with the Duke legends for Coach Ks last game.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on March 05, 2022, 10:52:15 PM
Houston Baptist vs McNeese State was a low scoring affair..
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: CountryRoads on March 06, 2022, 02:26:35 PM
Badgers getting some insane home cooking in the second half against Nebraska.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on March 06, 2022, 02:31:49 PM
There is some legitamate shady sh it going on in that game.

Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on March 06, 2022, 03:00:18 PM
There is some legitamate shady sh it going on in that game.

One of the worst Ts I’ve ever seen.

Now Gard playing kill the clock and it’s killed the Badger offense
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on March 06, 2022, 03:02:42 PM
One of the worst Ts I’ve ever seen.

Now Gard playing kill the clock and it’s killed the Badger offense

If Nebraska had the better McGowens(no clue why he was randomly scratched) they really may of had this one. Even with the ref show.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on March 06, 2022, 03:08:46 PM
If Nebraska had the better McGowens(no clue why he was randomly scratched) they really may of had this one. Even with the ref show.

Holy crap.

1 stop and they will win anyways. Unreal
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on March 06, 2022, 03:10:00 PM
7 points in the last 10 min for the Badgers.  This team is cheeks without Davis
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on March 06, 2022, 03:13:09 PM
What a treat
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: CountryRoads on March 06, 2022, 03:13:24 PM
Hepburn should have tried to bank it.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on March 06, 2022, 03:15:00 PM
20 seconds and Gard has them waste almost 10 trying to foul.  Then down 1 they settle for a deep 3 instead of attacking the rim.  Coaching master class
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on March 06, 2022, 03:15:27 PM
Nice people in Nebraska.  :)
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 06, 2022, 03:25:39 PM
Johnny Davis should immediately declare
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 06, 2022, 03:35:36 PM
Johnny Davis should immediately declare

After a scare like that, Davis should definitely skip his bowl game and focus on the draft.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: BrewCity83 on March 06, 2022, 03:42:40 PM
What a treat

That WAS a treat!
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Mutaman on March 06, 2022, 04:09:48 PM
No rushing the court today. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: BrewCity83 on March 06, 2022, 04:13:10 PM
The only rush today was up the aisles to the exits.    ;D
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: lawdog77 on March 06, 2022, 04:47:28 PM
How far does that drop the Badgers in the NET? Takes them out of a 1 seed conversation, I guess.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on March 06, 2022, 05:14:45 PM
How far does that drop the Badgers in the NET? Takes them out of a 1 seed conversation, I guess.

They were never in that convo.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: lawdog77 on March 06, 2022, 06:27:07 PM
They were never in that convo.
Goodman spent about 20 minutes on the radio Wednesday night making a case for them. So my comment was half teal.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on March 06, 2022, 07:35:51 PM
Oh.....I didn't even realize the gane was in Madison.  LOL
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: pbiflyer on March 06, 2022, 07:48:24 PM
Oh.....I didn't even realize the gane was in Madison.  LOL
So senior night then?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on March 06, 2022, 07:58:58 PM
I guess Nebraska was undefeated.....until they met Western Illinois on Nov 9th.  That's a bad loss.  Frankly a 2 seed line minimum drop.  And no, it doesn't matter that Davis got hurt.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on March 06, 2022, 08:49:38 PM
I don't get that court storm in Champaign at all.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on March 06, 2022, 08:52:50 PM
I don't get that court storm in Champaign at all.
Big Ten Championship.

I knew that Marquette win would hold up.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on March 06, 2022, 08:57:10 PM
Big Ten Championship.

I knew that Marquette win would hold up.

Teams now court-storm for a conf championship?  I must have missed that.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on March 06, 2022, 09:31:45 PM
Teams now court-storm for a conf championship?  I must have missed that.

Sure. We forgot with no fans last year. Guess, not in every case.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on March 06, 2022, 10:35:40 PM
I don't get that court storm in Champaign at all.

I don't get why this bothers some folks.

They're college kids happy their team won a big game. It's fun. I wish Marquette gave our students more opportunities to storm the court.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 06, 2022, 10:45:03 PM
I don't get why this bothers some folks.

They're college kids happy their team won a big game. It's fun. I wish Marquette gave our students more opportunities to storm the court.

Only thing that bothers me is that the school gets fined for it. Arkansas recently got fined 250K by the SEC. So many better users for that money.

That being said,  I don't begrudge it for major wins
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on March 06, 2022, 10:53:24 PM
Only thing that bothers me is that the school gets fined for it. Arkansas recently got fined 250K by the SEC. So many better users for that money.

That being said,  I don't begrudge it for major wins

Didn't know about the fines. What a bunch of killjoy pencil-pushers.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 06, 2022, 11:01:26 PM
Didn't know about the fines. What a bunch of killjoy pencil-pushers.

There has to be some sort of a barrier. Can you imagine if a fanbase stormed the court every game, win or lose? Eventually, a player or coach or fan would end up getting significantly hurt. I wish there was some wiggle room on the fines though. Maybe everyone gets a free one a year? Would never be approved, just what iffing.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Mutaman on March 06, 2022, 11:15:24 PM
I don't get why this bothers some folks.



Because its bush!
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on March 06, 2022, 11:17:19 PM
Teams now court-storm for a conf championship?  I must have missed that.

I definitely recall a court storming for a CUSA championship back at the BC
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Mutaman on March 07, 2022, 12:08:39 AM
I definitely recall a court storming for a CUSA championship back at the BC

Wade's last game-therefore allowed.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: wadesworld on March 07, 2022, 05:49:26 AM
I thought schools had the choice to pay a fine or to donate that amount to a charity.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: lawdog77 on March 07, 2022, 07:02:47 AM
Curious as to how many people it takes to become a court storming versus just good old fashioned trespassing. Could 20 Alabama fans, put on Auburn sweatshirts and court storm every game? 50, 100?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on March 07, 2022, 07:55:50 AM
I don't get why this bothers some folks.

They're college kids happy their team won a big game. It's fun. I wish Marquette gave our students more opportunities to storm the court.

Bingo!! 2003 win versus UC to win Conf. USA was great!
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Pakuni on March 08, 2022, 08:54:19 AM
Crean officially out in Georgia.

https://www.ajc.com/sports/georgia-bulldogs/uga-coach-tom-crean-to-part-ways-after-basketball-season/HJUAG6Q4EFEPHFSKJS52FLU76Q/?utm_campaign=snd-autopilot
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on March 08, 2022, 08:57:28 AM
Crean officially out in Georgia.

https://www.ajc.com/sports/georgia-bulldogs/uga-coach-tom-crean-to-part-ways-after-basketball-season/HJUAG6Q4EFEPHFSKJS52FLU76Q/?utm_campaign=snd-autopilot

Actually, that report specifically says:

After overseeing the losingest season in the history of Georgia basketball, all indications are that Crean and the Bulldogs will part ways after the season concludes, according to multiple people with knowledge of the situation. However, an official decision has not been made.

But yes, he's surely gone, and deservedly so. It's hard to imagine he'll be a P6 head coach again anytime soon. He's pretty good on TV, and that's easy money.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Galway Eagle on March 08, 2022, 09:19:04 AM
Actually, that report specifically says:

After overseeing the losingest season in the history of Georgia basketball, all indications are that Crean and the Bulldogs will part ways after the season concludes, according to multiple people with knowledge of the situation. However, an official decision has not been made.

But yes, he's surely gone, and deservedly so. It's hard to imagine he'll be a P6 head coach again anytime soon. He's pretty good on TV, and that's easy money.

Would happily take him as Director of Marketing operations at MU.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 08, 2022, 09:23:58 AM
My sincere sympathies. Could not have happened to a more worthy m'fookin', phony ass hole, aina?

Crean sucks

Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 08, 2022, 06:46:24 PM
Hopefully all of you have Bryant 1st half -30 tickets.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on March 08, 2022, 07:57:55 PM
Wright St. beat the Norse.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 08, 2022, 08:32:07 PM
Dayton better beef up security when Bryant plays in the first four next week.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on March 08, 2022, 09:52:35 PM
Had no idea, until I Wiki’d him tonight, that SDSU’s coach who replaced TJO was the coach and pricincipal at Burlington Catholic Central for a number of years before getting back into college coaching.

Would think he’s likely a hot name in the next coaching carousel.  What he’s done post-TJO has been very very impressive, and he hasn’t had a Mike Daum to aide it.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: brewcity77 on March 09, 2022, 09:03:28 AM
Had no idea, until I Wiki’d him tonight, that SDSU’s coach who replaced TJO was the coach and pricincipal at Burlington Catholic Central for a number of years before getting back into college coaching.

Would think he’s likely a hot name in the next coaching carousel.  What he’s done post-TJO has been very very impressive, and he hasn’t had a Mike Daum to aide it.

That's wild, my wife graduated from Catholic Central, though it might've been a couple years before his time.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: TheGym on March 09, 2022, 10:00:17 AM
Does anyone know the policy reason for excluding a new Div I team from post season?  It just seems odd other than to screw the new guy.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/33456772/division-newcomer-bellarmine-wins-atlantic-sun-championship-ineligible-ncaa-tournament (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/33456772/division-newcomer-bellarmine-wins-atlantic-sun-championship-ineligible-ncaa-tournament)
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on March 09, 2022, 10:10:44 AM
That's wild, my wife graduated from Catholic Central, though it might've been a couple years before his time.

Assuming he gets a better job (which you would think is inevitable) thats 2 guys (including Oats) with Wisconsin ties who went to small schools, got their starts coaching at small schools, said no thanks and went to HS coaching/teaching before popping back into mid major coaching and absolutely setting the world on fire.

You could argue Henderson has actually been more impressive and successful at SDSU than TJO.  They are gonna be a SCARY 12-13 seed. They shoot like 44% from 3.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: wadesworld on March 09, 2022, 10:35:40 AM
Does anyone know the policy reason for excluding a new Div I team from post season?  It just seems odd other than to screw the new guy.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/33456772/division-newcomer-bellarmine-wins-atlantic-sun-championship-ineligible-ncaa-tournament (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/33456772/division-newcomer-bellarmine-wins-atlantic-sun-championship-ineligible-ncaa-tournament)

Norlander talked about it on a podcast within the last week.  Apparently it's to discourage schools to move up to D1 athletics.  They don't get any of a conference's revenue share for the first 5 years.  They need to prove they can survive independent of their conference's revenue as an athletic department before they are eligible for post season play and revenue sharing.  Pretty absurd policy.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: muwarrior69 on March 09, 2022, 11:48:21 AM
Does anyone know the policy reason for excluding a new Div I team from post season?  It just seems odd other than to screw the new guy.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/33456772/division-newcomer-bellarmine-wins-atlantic-sun-championship-ineligible-ncaa-tournament (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/33456772/division-newcomer-bellarmine-wins-atlantic-sun-championship-ineligible-ncaa-tournament)

Not just the school but the athlete as well. I assume these schools would offer full scholarships to play for their institution. The guys that play at these schools I'm sure like to play ball, but are actually there to get a free college education.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on March 09, 2022, 02:32:53 PM
Jim Boheim is truly a POS
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 09, 2022, 04:00:26 PM
That’s a horrendous loss for Wake. Could keep them out of the tournament.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on March 09, 2022, 04:11:10 PM
That’s a horrendous loss for Wake. Could keep them out of the tournament.

Going up 10 under 10 and blowing it to a terribly mediocre team is an AWFUL way to go out.  And they flat out didn't show up in OT.  Getting a TO down 4 with 2 min left and IMMEDIATELY jacking up a bad 3 was pretty emblematic
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: wadesworld on March 09, 2022, 04:27:53 PM
Stanford beats Arizona State at the buzzer, going on a 16-1 run to end the game.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: WhiteTrash on March 09, 2022, 06:36:57 PM
Stanford beats Arizona State at the buzzer, going on a 16-1 run to end the game.
Is that the end for Hurley?

Maybe the s**t show that is ASU football will buy him more time.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 09, 2022, 08:37:55 PM
I don’t think Va Tech is in yet, but that win certainly doesn’t help Xavier. Oddly, it may help Wake a smudge. A VT win over ND tomorrow likely gets the Hokies in and Deacs out.

Also, RIP the Bruce Weber era at KSU.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on March 09, 2022, 09:58:58 PM
I see Nebraska followed up their win at the Kohl with a emphatic performance against Northwestern.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Pakuni on March 09, 2022, 10:34:58 PM
I've seen better offense in middle school games than Virginia-Louisville.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on March 09, 2022, 11:08:14 PM
I've seen better offense in middle school games than Virginia-Louisville.

I’ve said it before, I’m always fascinated by what Tony Bennett sells to talented HS players.  Not saying everyone has to run like Bama,  but I can’t imagine top 50-100 guys dream of playing in games with 50ish possessions in a half.  When the offense isn’t clicking perfectly, it’s excruciating to watch.

It’s easy to say “he sells winning” but players at that level can go to plenty of other schools that win
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on March 10, 2022, 12:47:06 PM
Bruce Webber resigned.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 11, 2022, 12:46:29 PM
IU just punched their ticket in.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on March 11, 2022, 12:55:57 PM
Jim Boheim is truly a POS

What ... you don't like, "It's everybody's fault ... except Buddy's"?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: jesmu84 on March 11, 2022, 02:44:24 PM
Norlander talked about it on a podcast within the last week.  Apparently it's to discourage schools to move up to D1 athletics.  They don't get any of a conference's revenue share for the first 5 years.  They need to prove they can survive independent of their conference's revenue as an athletic department before they are eligible for post season play and revenue sharing.  Pretty absurd policy.

Why can't they let the team compete in the tourney, but just not allow them to get any of the revenue?

Dumb
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on March 11, 2022, 03:07:21 PM
Why can't they let the team compete in the tourney, but just not allow them to get any of the revenue?

Dumb

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/002/313/384/872)
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MUBurrow on March 11, 2022, 11:23:30 PM
Casey Jacobsen calling games sounds like what Doug Gottlieb sound if he were good.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 12, 2022, 11:58:29 AM
It’s going to be funny when Vermont is a 13 seed and plays 4 seed Providence in the first round, and the line is Vermont -2.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on March 12, 2022, 12:16:36 PM
Do we have a reason why Grant Hill is still announcing college games with Raff and Nantz?
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: WhiteTrash on March 13, 2022, 09:11:53 PM
White leaving UF for UGA kind of surprise. Nothing special at a place like Florida but solid. I guess that's about as good as UGA could do considering their history. Florida will be interesting to see who they get. Wojo?  ;D
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on March 13, 2022, 11:18:39 PM
White leaving UF for UGA kind of surprise. Nothing special at a place like Florida but solid. I guess that's about as good as UGA could do considering their history. Florida will be interesting to see who they get. Wojo?  ;D

Does Anthony Grant get another P5 look?  Billy Donovan's coaching tree kind of stinks (outside of Grant and Shaka) in terms of success as HCs.  So thats likely not the path.

An interesting name would have been Mike Miller.  But seeing as he resigned from Memphis to coach HS basketball, maybe he decided the NCAA coaching grind wasn't for him.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on March 16, 2022, 08:42:55 PM
Pretty amusing to watch which teams accepted an NIT bid but clearly don’t care. SLU is absolutely mailing it in.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: shoothoops on March 16, 2022, 09:35:16 PM
Pretty amusing to watch which teams accepted an NIT bid but clearly don’t care. SLU is absolutely mailing it in.

Their point guard, who leads the country in assists, was a late scratch just before the game due to injury.

They will also get a decision soon whether or not their best player, preseason conference player of the year, who missed the entire season due to a torn ACL in an exhibition game, will come back next year or not.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 17, 2022, 05:16:56 AM
Pretty amusing to watch which teams accepted an NIT bid but clearly don’t care. SLU is absolutely mailing it in.

SLU isn’t good enough to be a D-1 program. 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MU82 on March 17, 2022, 11:14:27 AM
If only Yadi still had some eligibility left.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: rocket surgeon on March 24, 2022, 11:37:12 AM
anyone hear of the controversy surrounding benedict mathurin apparently/allegedly touching the breast of tcu cheerleader on his way off court following their recent win?

  appears as though someone trying to create something that isn't there imho.  saw the video-the girl doesn't flinch and benedict doesn't even appear to realize anything happened as he walked past her.  he had his arms extended on his way off court following a brief acknowledgement of their win and as he passed by her was retracting his arms and walked past her without so much as any realization anything happened.  IF he did "touch" her breast, there doesn't seem to be any malice or gratification. the girl never made any mention of it post game

the angle in this view from charlotte observer looks deceiving-

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/college/ncaa/article259649370.html


 
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 24, 2022, 11:51:49 AM
anyone hear of the controversy surrounding benedict mathurin apparently/allegedly touching the breast of tcu cheerleader on his way off court following their recent win?

  appears as though someone trying to create something that isn't there imho.  saw the video-the girl doesn't flinch and benedict doesn't even appear to realize anything happened as he walked past her.  he had his arms extended on his way off court following a brief acknowledgement of their win and as he passed by her was retracting his arms and walked past her without so much as any realization anything happened.  IF he did "touch" her breast, there doesn't seem to be any malice or gratification. the girl never made any mention of it post game

the angle in this view from charlotte observer looks deceiving-

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/college/ncaa/article259649370.html

It's a rare occurrence when I agree with you rocket, but in this case it appears he's looking at the crowd (not her) and walking towards the tunnel with both arms outstretched.  After the accidental "boop" he immediately drew his hand in.  He's reached out to her (presumably to apologize and clarify that he wasn't attempting to cop a feel), and it's really a non-story - except the media loves a scandal!
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on March 24, 2022, 11:55:48 AM
It's a rare occurrence when I agree with you rocket, but in this case it appears he's looking at the crowd (not her) and walking towards the tunnel with both arms outstretched.  After the accidental "boop" he immediately drew his hand in.  He's reached out to her (presumably to apologize and clarify that he wasn't attempting to cop a feel), and it's really a non-story - except the media loves a scandal!

If anything, this should skyrocket his draft stock.  The body control and soft hands to lightly graze her chest, while not even looking at her, and withdraw in time to prevent it from going to full on grope?  Tremendous intuition and skill.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: wadesworld on March 24, 2022, 12:37:48 PM
I hope it was accidental, because he is really fun to watch play.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: lawdog77 on March 24, 2022, 12:47:40 PM
This is all because he's Canadian.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: rocket surgeon on March 24, 2022, 01:52:06 PM
or the houston team is perpetuating the narrative hoping they can rattle the young fella and the team
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: MuggsyB on March 28, 2022, 08:03:12 PM
Musselman has gotten three top 20 recruits to Arkansas next year.
Title: Re: NCAA Hoops Thread '21-22
Post by: JWags85 on March 28, 2022, 08:20:29 PM
Musselman has gotten three top 20 recruits to Arkansas next year.

Plus another borderline top 50 guy and 2 more top 100 guys.  It’s a MONSTER class