More conference realignment talk

[Scoop Snoop]

If the ACC does in fact implode, the reality, unbelievable as it may sound, is that some of those schools will be homeless. And the candidates are those that GENERALLY play bad football but good basketball. The SEC and the B10 have no interest in taking on additional bad football-----why would they.

I'm not predicting anything. But if the ACC implodes, a handful of those schools are going to be left out. And apparently in the brave New world of college football, if your football program is not "in", then you are "out"-----way out.And those orphans will then be confronted with the "Connecticut" decision.That MAY mean opportunity for the BE.

I would say a definite yes to Duke; a probable yes to Wake and BC and Louisville; and a a go F yourself to Pitt and Syracuse. Those 2 can go to the America East or MEAC.

Ah yes...the 2 schools that stabbed the old BE in the back and got the ball rolling on the breakup.

The BE may well pick up some strong teams and obviously we would be a stronger conference. The downside is that Marquette and most of the other original 10 of the current BE may be effectively boxed out of the upper tier of the conference by the newcomers.

[The Sultan]

If the ACC does break apart, and all these schools drop football, you aren't going to turn Pittsburgh and Syracuse down out of spite. All of the leaders who made those decisions over a decade ago are gone.

[Uncle Rico]

If the ACC does break apart, and all these schools drop football, you aren't going to turn Pittsburgh and Syracuse down out of spite. All of the leaders who made those decisions over a decade ago are gone.

You do what is best for the league and if adding teams is that, you do it.  Pitt won't get left behind, anyway.  Syracuse?  That one I'm not so sure about but I think the brand is strong enough they won't be.

[The Lens]

1) Brew is right
2) Brew is right
3) Brew is right
4) We're fine
5) March Madness is going NOWHERE
6) These schools aren't grabbing an extra 50 million to per to have to host Olympic Championships, that money is going straight to football's assisant special teams coach and a new practice facility for the linebackers.
7) Brew is right
8) Brew is right
9) Brew is right
10) We're fine

[MU82]

Long but interesting article about how the ACC's poaching of Big East schools started this whole shyte-show back in 2003.

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/college/article263256073.html#storylink=cpy

On the other end of the phone, Mike Tranghese sighed quietly. It was a sound that conveyed a sense of empathy, if not resignation. The emotions returned, almost 20 years later. Back then, as the commissioner of the original Big East Conference, Tranghese watched with a sense of helplessness while three of his league's most important schools left for the better financial fortunes of the ACC.

For the old Big East, the spring of 2003 represented the beginning of the end. For the ACC, the spring of 2003 was supposed to represent a new beginning, one that would solidify its status for decades to come. Instead, a new Big East rose from the ashes and has rebuilt itself on its basketball roots. And now the ACC finds itself imperiled by a trend that in many ways it began.

[The Sultan]

2003 didn't start this. Conference realignment has been a near constant since the independents were all lapped up in the early 1990s and the B12 formed in 1994. The breakup of the Southwest Conference caused the WAC to explode in membership, and then eventually break apart with the creation of the Mountain West in the late 90s.

Anyway, this all started with the conferences taking the football television rights away from the NCAA, and the NCAA losing the eventual court case, in 1984.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_v._Board_of_Regents_of_the_University_of_Oklahoma

[tower912]

How many different conferences has MU been in?

[The Sultan]

How many different conferences has MU been in?

Exactly. Five in thirty years - MCC, Great Midwest, Conference USA, Old BE, New BE.

[MU82]

2003 didn't start this. Conference realignment has been a near constant since the independents were all lapped up in the early 1990s and the B12 formed in 1994. The breakup of the Southwest Conference caused the WAC to explode in membership, and then eventually break apart with the creation of the Mountain West in the late 90s.

Anyway, this all started with the conferences taking the football television rights away from the NCAA, and the NCAA losing the eventual court case, in 1984.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_v._Board_of_Regents_of_the_University_of_Oklahoma

The article was more about the act of actively poaching members of another major conference, and more specifically about how the ACC has gone from being poachers to poachees. But yes, what you say is also true.

[brewcity77]

This thread paints a pretty dismal picture of Rutgers athletics right now. If this is the normal at the higher P5s, it will be interesting to see what happens when politicians eventually get involved, especially in state legislatures that aren't fans of public education.

Edit: https://twitter.com/grouchybagels/status/1546513394563416066?s=21&t=7DRFrI04F9dOmsEyml8hpg

[Herman Cain]

This thread paints a pretty dismal picture of Rutgers athletics right now. If this is the normal at the higher P5s, it will be interesting to see what happens when politicians eventually get involved, especially in state legislatures that aren't fans of public education.

Rutgers in a lot of debt.

https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/watchdog/2022/07/07/rutgers-athletics-spends-big-builds-debt-big-ten-conference/65367819007/

[forgetful]

Rutgers in a lot of debt.

https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/watchdog/2022/07/07/rutgers-athletics-spends-big-builds-debt-big-ten-conference/65367819007/

The bigger untold aspect of this story, is Rutgers is not alone. Nearly all D1 programs routinely cook the books to hide the athletics losses, and to hide the fact that they are funneling massive amounts of student tuition, and taxpayer dollars (for public schools) to athletics instead of education.

Some schools like Missouri force their faculty to take out their own trash from their offices, because they can't afford janitorial service for them, but will be doing what Rutgers is doing and spending millions a year on entertainment for coaches and players.

[Uncle Rico]

The bigger untold aspect of this story, is Rutgers is not alone. Nearly all D1 programs routinely cook the books to hide the athletics losses, and to hide the fact that they are funneling massive amounts of student tuition, and taxpayer dollars (for public schools) to athletics instead of education.

Some schools like Missouri force their faculty to take out their own trash from their offices, because they can't afford janitorial service for them, but will be doing what Rutgers is doing and spending millions a year on entertainment for coaches and players.

I might be off-base here, but I don't think college athletics are on the level

[brewcity77]

Oops... would've helped to include the link.

https://twitter.com/grouchybagels/status/1546513394563416066?s=21&t=7DRFrI04F9dOmsEyml8hpg

[The Equalizer]

The bigger untold aspect of this story, is Rutgers is not alone. Nearly all D1 programs routinely cook the books to hide the athletics losses, and to hide the fact that they are funneling massive amounts of student tuition, and taxpayer dollars (for public schools) to athletics instead of education.

Some schools like Missouri force their faculty to take out their own trash from their offices, because they can't afford janitorial service for them, but will be doing what Rutgers is doing and spending millions a year on entertainment for coaches and players.

And yet, according to the Rutgers website, athletics represent only 2.7% of Rutgers expenditures:
https://www.rutgers.edu/about/budget-facts

I'm not going to defend every dollar of Rutgers athletic spending, but an article singling out athletics as the cause of students having to "rely on a food pantry" or "professors being furloughed" seems to be a bit misleading. 

[The Sultan]

I mean, it is clear that Rutgers' athletics is completely mismanaged, but many, many colleges and universities have plans for students who face food insecurity.  It really isn't an indicator of anything other than the student body can reflect the issues of society at large.

https://www.marquette.edu/student-affairs/nourish.php

[Uncle Rico]

Texas Tech is announcing a $200 million football facilities upgrade.  Huh

[MU82]

Texas Tech is announcing a $200 million football facilities upgrade.  Huh

Thank goodness the universities themselves don't have to pay the athlete-students.

[Uncle Rico]

Thank goodness the universities themselves don't have to pay the athlete-students.

Wonder how people would waste their money if not for college athletics?  $200 million to upgrade football facilities in Lubbock, Texas.  Good lord

[bilsu]

Thank goodness the universities themselves don't have to pay the athlete-students.

I would guess they are indirectly. They are making less money off of players likeness as the money is now directly going to the players. I would also think there are cases of individuals/companies paying NIL money that will be reducing their donations to universities. I could be wrong, but I think universities are losing revenue because of NIL.

[Herman Cain]

Wonder how people would waste their money if not for college athletics?  $200 million to upgrade football facilities in Lubbock, Texas.  Good lord

Wow. Quite a project.

https://twitter.com/TexasTechFB/status/1546648029989457920?cxt=HHwWgMCiwYqM5vYqAAAA

[MU82]

I would guess they are indirectly. They are making less money off of players likeness as the money is now directly going to the players. I would also think there are cases of individuals/companies paying NIL money that will be reducing their donations to universities. I could be wrong, but I think universities are losing revenue because of NIL.

Very indirectly - maybe.

And I can live with that.

[Newsdreams]

Wonder how people would waste their money if not for college athletics?  $200 million to upgrade football facilities in Lubbock, Texas.  Good lord

No COLE

[dgies9156]

Brother Dgies' Scenario on How Realignment will Play out:

1) The SEC welcomes Clemson, North Carolina, Florida State and Miami to the fold. Claims it solidifies the conference, creates more natural rivalries and strengthens the conference's reach throughout the Southland. Alabama goes 12-0 and defeats Georgia for the 2026 conference Championship, its fourth in a row. Nick Saban says he signed a new five-year agreement making him the Joe Biden of college football coaches.

2) The Big12 merges with the remnants of the Pac12, making a national super-conference extending from Orlando to Seattle. While the PAC12's largest markets are Orlando, Denver, Seattle and San Francisco, the amount of network programming is substantial enough that it becomes the third super-conference joining the SEC and BIG. By 2026, Colorado plays Washington for the Conference Championship. Washington is ranked Number 1 in the nation and uses Amazon's NIL money to poach four of Nick Saban's 2025 superstars. Oregon, now a Big 20 member, uses Nike money to poach Georgia five-star recruits, setting up a battle in 2027 between Oregon and Washington for what is expected to be an all BIG12 National Championship.

3) Not to be left-behind, Notre Dame and the BIG finally merge in 2026. Notre Dame immediately reduces its non-conference schedule to one game -- Navy. Notre Dame is joined by Virginia in the BIG. In 2027, with a BIG schedule that features USC, Ohio State, Michigan, Indiana, Iowa, UCLA, Rutgers, Purdue and Maryland, Notre Dame goes 6-6 and the alumni call for leaving the BIG. Unfortunately, Notre Dame has given the BIG an assignment of rights until 2400, consistent with all other BIG schools.

4) Seeing money floating around like water and amateurism relegated to tiddly winks and online gaming competition, member institutions pull the plug on the NCAA in 2027. The BIGs and the SEC announced that in 2028, member institutions will compete for the FoxSports cup, awarded to the top college football team in the nation.

5) Left out in the cold, Duke, Virginia Tech, NC State, Wake Forest, Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt merge with the Big East and renounce football forever in 2029. "We had a hell of a run," said ACC Commissioner Archibald Bunker, "but we're looking forward to joining the Big East for basketball and non-rev sports. We hope our associate membership in the Non_Football college world will allow us to be competitive again." In 2030, Duke University has its first winning basketball season since 2023-2024, as Marquette University wins its third consecutive League of All Big Schools National basketball Championship, defeating Kentucky 138-70. Coach Shaka Smart turns down an offer to become head coach of the Milwaukee Bucks.

[Herman Cain]

Brother Dgies' Scenario on How Realignment will Play out:

1) The SEC welcomes Clemson, North Carolina, Florida State and Miami to the fold. Claims it solidifies the conference, creates more natural rivalries and strengthens the conference's reach throughout the Southland. Alabama goes 12-0 and defeats Georgia for the 2026 conference Championship, its fourth in a row. Nick Saban says he signed a new five-year agreement making him the Joe Biden of college football coaches.

2) The Big12 merges with the remnants of the Pac12, making a national super-conference extending from Orlando to Seattle. While the PAC12's largest markets are Orlando, Denver, Seattle and San Francisco, the amount of network programming is substantial enough that it becomes the third super-conference joining the SEC and BIG. By 2026, Colorado plays Washington for the Conference Championship. Washington is ranked Number 1 in the nation and uses Amazon's NIL money to poach four of Nick Saban's 2025 superstars. Oregon, now a Big 20 member, uses Nike money to poach Georgia five-star recruits, setting up a battle in 2027 between Oregon and Washington for what is expected to be an all BIG12 National Championship.

3) Not to be left-behind, Notre Dame and the BIG finally merge in 2026. Notre Dame immediately reduces its non-conference schedule to one game -- Navy. Notre Dame is joined by Virginia in the BIG. In 2027, with a BIG schedule that features USC, Ohio State, Michigan, Indiana, Iowa, UCLA, Rutgers, Purdue and Maryland, Notre Dame goes 6-6 and the alumni call for leaving the BIG. Unfortunately, Notre Dame has given the BIG an assignment of rights until 2400, consistent with all other BIG schools.

4) Seeing money floating around like water and amateurism relegated to tiddly winks and online gaming competition, member institutions pull the plug on the NCAA in 2027. The BIGs and the SEC announced that in 2028, member institutions will compete for the FoxSports cup, awarded to the top college football team in the nation.

5) Left out in the cold, Duke, Virginia Tech, NC State, Wake Forest, Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt merge with the Big East and renounce football forever in 2029. "We had a hell of a run," said ACC Commissioner Archibald Bunker, "but we're looking forward to joining the Big East for basketball and non-rev sports. We hope our associate membership in the Non_Football college world will allow us to be competitive again." In 2030, Duke University has its first winning basketball season since 2023-2024, as Marquette University wins its third consecutive League of All Big Schools National basketball Championship, defeating Kentucky 138-70. Coach Shaka Smart turns down an offer to become head coach of the Milwaukee Bucks.

Love the Creativity here