What's the word on Garcia?

[4everwarriors]

When was the last time we danced? Out of sight, out of mind. I'm fully confident Shaka can bring back the luster, but it will take some time. The hiring of Woj set us back further than we realize. Currently, I just don't think we're on the same playing field with the perennial winners.

[The Lens]

That's simply not true. MU may not be a national title contender for any number of reasons.  But no school with MU's budget, arena/NBA ties, and attendance is "just another team". 

Disappointing as the last decade has been, MU as a program, financially and from a business of basketball, is closer to Duke than it is to SLU or Dayton or Loyola.

All of this plus, most Power 5 schools are funneling their donors to the O Line's NIL before even considering hoops.

[Pakuni]

When was the last time we danced? Out of sight, out of mind. I'm fully confident Shaka can bring back the luster, but it will take some time. The hiring of Woj set us back further than we realize. Currently, I just don't think we're on the same playing field with the perennial winners.

We haven't been on the same playing field as the perennial winners for about four decades.
The good news is, neither are about 340 other schools.

[Viper]

Yep, good for the players ... and it's about time. Everybody else has been getting rich on their backs for generations.

not being sour, if Jimbob's Used Cars wants to pay a guy, ok, I guess. But, these D-I students are getting a full ride, yes? (What's MU cost for a full year these days?...15 credits each semester, room/board, books)

[NCMUFan]

Looks like Theo John and Dawson Garcia will be squaring up a couple times against each other this coming season.
Two Twin City players ending up in NC.

[Nukem2]

Looks like Theo John and Dawson Garcia will be squaring up a couple times against each other this coming season.
Two Twin City players ending up in NC.

Actually, Theo will be squaring off against Bacot individually.

[79Warrior]

not being sour, if Jimbob's Used Cars wants to pay a guy, ok, I guess. But, these D-I students are getting a full ride, yes? (What's MU cost for a full year these days?...15 credits each semester, room/board, books)

How much is MU making off the free ride?

[Jockey]

not being sour, if Jimbob's Used Cars wants to pay a guy, ok, I guess. But, these D-I students are getting a full ride, yes? (What's MU cost for a full year these days?...15 credits each semester, room/board, books)

What does one have to do with the other?

[Nukem2]

What does one have to do with the other?

Umm, ...$$$$$

[Viper]

How much is MU making off the free ride?

I give. How much? But is that the deal...MU rakes, so the student should get tuition, room/board, and some cake?

[Pakuni]

Umm, ...$$$$$

Do people STILL not realize NIL money doesn't come from the schools?

[Shooter McGavin]

However you want to justify it in your mind is fine with me.  Interesting that the "earned advantage" applies to the coach but not the players.

Fluff,

No justification.  The best coaches get the best players.  Over time this occurred at NC with Deane Smith, Marquette with Al, indiana with knight, etc, etc.  You became a blue blood or a great basketball school because of the coach.  This lead to easier recruiting, more exposure by the media.  The snow ball effect.  This was earned by these coaches.  The players followed.  The fan base followed after that.  Marquette would not be remotely the same basketball school without Al.  You are kidding yourself if you think the players that won the NC would have been there regardless.  Our program sank like a rock without Al.  There is no rationalization. That is reality.

The competitive advantage changed with coaches.  The best attracted the best players.  Programs were built on their backs.  This was  earned over time.  Penn State would have been a blue blood and not Duke if coach K decided to set up shop there for 40 years.

People fear that buying players is the new norm and the new way to compete.

I don't care either way.  If MU can't compete in the new basketball world and drops basketball it won't matter in the long run.   I do hope our alums come up with the cash though.  It's more fun to be good.

[PointWarrior]

Yes, but it comes from boosters for the school. 

Do people STILL not realize NIL money doesn't come from the schools?

[Lennys Tap]

Fluff,

No justification.  The best coaches get the best players.  Over time this occurred at NC with Deane Smith, Marquette with Al, indiana with knight, etc, etc.  You became a blue blood or a great basketball school because of the coach.  This lead to easier recruiting, more exposure by the media.  The snow ball effect.  This was earned by these coaches.  The players followed.  The fan base followed after that.  Marquette would not be remotely the same basketball school without Al.  You are kidding yourself if you think the players that won the NC would have been there regardless.  Our program sank like a rock without Al.  There is no rationalization. That is reality.

The competitive advantage changed with coaches.  The best attracted the best players.  Programs were built on their backs.  This was  earned over time.  Penn State would have been a blue blood and not Duke if coach K decided to set up shop there for 40 years.

People fear that buying players is the new norm and the new way to compete.

I don't care either way.  If MU can't compete in the new basketball world and drops basketball it won't matter in the long run.   I do hope our alums come up with the cash though.  It's more fun to be good.

Shooter

I agree with this analysis.

Except for the last paragraph.

[The Lens]

Fluff,

No justification.  The best coaches get the best players.  Over time this occurred at NC with Deane Smith, Marquette with Al, indiana with knight, etc, etc.  You became a blue blood or a great basketball school because of the coach.  This lead to easier recruiting, more exposure by the media.  The snow ball effect.  This was earned by these coaches.  The players followed.  The fan base followed after that.  Marquette would not be remotely the same basketball school without Al.  You are kidding yourself if you think the players that won the NC would have been there regardless.  Our program sank like a rock without Al.  There is no rationalization. That is reality.

The competitive advantage changed with coaches.  The best attracted the best players.  Programs were built on their backs.  This was  earned over time.  Penn State would have been a blue blood and not Duke if coach K decided to set up shop there for 40 years.

People fear that buying players is the new norm and the new way to compete.

I don't care either way.  If MU can't compete in the new basketball world and drops basketball it won't matter in the long run.   I do hope our alums come up with the cash though.  It's more fun to be good.

Shooter, go to bed, you're drunk. 

If you don't see how NIL is a BOON for #mubb then you obviously didn't take Logic 101.  All the chicken littles out there, MUBB is  about burn the rest of the conference down. 

NIL is a (greatly) pivotal time in MUBB. 

We're gonna soar. 

[Shooter McGavin]

Lens,

I'm merely pointing out why there were inequities in the old system.  It was mainly long term great coaching which led to getting better players which led to blue blood status.

Now it's NIL money and coaching.  The best coaches will now go to the schools with the NIL advantage.  Some of those will be the same schools who are already blue bloods because of their previous advantages.  Some programs will come out of nowhere because the cash will be too hard to pass up for the players.

I'm fine with it. I hope you are right and MU fans and alumni crush it.  If we don't and it's too hard to recruit based on this new variable, Shaka will eventually move on to greener pastures.

[JWags85]

Yes, but it comes from boosters for the school.

Nope

[MU82]

The NC media take on UNC's gain (and MU's loss) ...

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/article252650098.html?

[Pakuni]

Yes, but it comes from boosters for the school.

Can you offer some examples, please?

[MUCam]

Can you offer some examples, please?

We can get tied up with semantics, but I think you need only search "boosters and NIL" to find that boosters actively getting involved in the NIL business to help their alma mater (or favorite school) is not a myth. They aren't doing this to benefit their businesses; they are doing it to benefit the schools they support by attracting high end talent to the programs at their schools.

I thought this was an interesting Clemson opinion article that describes some of the thoughts on how NIL will affect different schools. More importantly, it feels like a piece trying to mobilize boosters to get involved; basically an arms race type article. https://rubbingtherock.com/2021/07/08/clemson-football-boosters-future/

Note reference to Frank Martin saying there is a HS bball kid with a seven figure offer already from a booster. Martin's thoughts are equally interesting:
https://247sports.com/college/south-carolina/Article/NIL-landscape-Frank-Martin-South-Carolina-Gamecocks-mens-basketball-167514581/

Again, I am not saying this is bad or good. It is change and it is reality. You either adapt or you get stuck reminiscing about glory days. But, to pretend that boosters aren't going to be working "for" their school's benefit (regardless of how much or little input the actual school has), is to stick your head in the sand. 

[Shooter McGavin]

Does Gruber pay players or donate to the school now?  CPI?  Same decision.  I think if you are the athletic department you have to grease these wheels.  The smart money is on paying the players so that you can field a competitive program.  That will benefit the school in the long run.  Marquette really needs to be stressing that to all donors with businesses.  There is opportunity out there like Lens said.

[muwarrior97]

Ironic moment/poke at Wojo that Garcia took his talents to UNC? 

Good luck to DG, should be an interesting year for Heels with new coach

[muwarrior69]

So when does Garcia come off the scholarship table and is there any senior transfer worth adding?

[Hards Alumni]

Most definitely a Marquette fan. Not having a somewhat equal shot at the best players and coaches would make every season meaningless.

Just look at DePaul, they can't draw flies to their games and they are in the Big East. Competitive balance, or the opportunity for it, draws fans. Pro sports does this and they make bank.

I'd be very happy if MU won a tournament vs Gonzaga or Nova or Houston, etc.

HELL FOOKIN NO.

[Hards Alumni]

As fans we're looking at MU thru blue and gold glasses. In reality, on a national stage we're just another team.

You're right, Doc.