Coach K retiring after this season

[The Lens]

I'm not entirely sure. If you put Wojo in a situation where all those 5 stars he narrowly missed on suddenly come running it might've been enough talent to overcome his horrific coaching.

Either way It doesn't matter just my opinion.

Wojo would definitely keep the talent pool stocked at Duke.  But to be fair, Scheyer and Capel probably can too.

[wadesworld]

Dan Wolken
@DanWolken
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I would say that Jon Scheyer, assuming he is the guy, has the worst job in college sports up until whoever replaces Nick Saban

Even if he fails miserably, he'll make enough money to never have to work again if he wants to after his one contract.  I'd take that over grinding it out in some Chicago State type job in a heartbeat.

[The Sultan]

<sigh>

Clearly hyperbole to show that its not the attractive job people think it would be.

[willie warrior]

Scheyer being named the coach-in-waiting.

Thought this was Wojos gig. Guess his abysmal job at MU nixed that. How dare they name Scherer the replacement. What a dis on Wojo-Dukiet

[Skip Intro]

Scheyer makes a lot of sense, just as Gard did at UW.  You replace a long-time successful coach with someone from the inside having little-to-no expectations and no previous coaching failures for fans to complain about.  Capel doesn't have that, nor does Wojo (obviously). 

If Scheyer works out, great, they're geniuses.  If he doesn't, they'll know within a year or two and will move on with a big splash hire from the outside that's one step further from K's shadow. 

[MU82]

Scheyer makes a lot of sense, just as Gard did at UW.  You replace a long-time successful coach with someone from the inside having little-to-no expectations and no previous coaching failures for fans to complain about.  Capel doesn't have that, nor does Wojo (obviously). 

If Scheyer works out, great, they're geniuses.  If he doesn't, they'll know within a year or two and will move on with a big splash hire from the outside that's one step further from K's shadow.

Well done, Skip. Outstanding comment.

I love how so many people "know" that Scheyer will be bad. Maybe he will be Wojo (or worse than Wojo, as if it's possible to be worse than The Worst Coach In Basketball History) ... or maybe he'll be Roy Williams, who went from longtime assistant to being a great head coach in his own right. Or, more likely, he'll be somewhere in between those extremes.

Either way, as you said, Scheyer makes a lot of sense. The thing that surprises me most is that some folks are surprised by this.

[MuggsyB]

Any recruits we can poach?

[lawdog77]

Call me cynical, but I think Coach K picked a bad replacement on purpose.

[mr.MUskie]

Call me cynical, but I think Coach K picked a bad replacement on purpose.

+1

[The Sultan]

Why would he pick a bad replacement on purpose?  His legacy would be strengthened if he picks someone who succeeds. 

[Loose Cannon]

Scheyer makes a lot of sense, just as Gard did at UW.  You replace a long-time successful coach with someone from the inside having little-to-no expectations and no previous coaching failures for fans to complain about.  Capel doesn't have that, nor does Wojo (obviously). 

If Scheyer works out, great, they're geniuses.  If he doesn't, they'll know within a year or two and will move on with a big splash hire from the outside that's one step further from K's shadow.

I agree, at this point  Jon makes the most sense  to me.  I remember years ago when the point guard went down, Jon spent the summer learning the point.  IIRC the next year they were NCAA Champs.

[lawdog77]

Why would he pick a bad replacement on purpose?  His legacy would be strengthened if he picks someone who succeeds.

See how hard it is to win at this tiny little school. I am a coaching genius, wait, I am THE Coaching genius.

[The Sultan]

See how hard it is to win at this tiny little school. I am a coaching genius, wait, I am THE Coaching genius.

So the winningest coach in NCAA history, with 5 national championships, 12 final fours, and a slew of conference championships over the course of 40 years is scared that he would be overshadowed by his successor?  That's strange.

[MU82]

Call me cynical, but I think Coach K picked a bad replacement on purpose.

You are cynical.

I'd say overly so, but at least you're owning it.

[lawdog77]

So the winningest coach in NCAA history, with 5 national championships, 12 final fours, and a slew of conference championships over the course of 40 years is scared that he would be overshadowed by his successor?

Yes, that is my cynical opinion.

[Billy Hoyle]

See how hard it is to win at this tiny little school. I am a coaching genius, wait, I am THE Coaching genius.

yeah, because if Scheyer does well suddenly people are going to change their opinions on K and his career. SMH.

[JWags85]

Well done, Skip. Outstanding comment.

I love how so many people "know" that Scheyer will be bad. Maybe he will be Wojo (or worse than Wojo, as if it's possible to be worse than The Worst Coach In Basketball History) ... or maybe he'll be Roy Williams, who went from longtime assistant to being a great head coach in his own right. Or, more likely, he'll be somewhere in between those extremes.

Either way, as you said, Scheyer makes a lot of sense. The thing that surprises me most is that some folks are surprised by this.

Scheyer has been an assistant at Duke for 6 years.  Under a notorious control freak who has an exceptionally mediocre coaching tree given the program.

Roy Williams was a HS coach for 5-6 years and then a decade under Dean Smith, who had a reputation for spinning out great coaches under his tutelage.

Scheyer may turn out to be a great coach, but calling him a longtime assistant, much less a similar situation going into this job as Roy Williams, is apples to oranges IMO.

[willie warrior]

Man  how some people can actually believe that K picked a weak link because he wanted to preserve his legacy
Others point out that his resume is overwhelming. Outside of Wooden, the best in history. And maybe better than Wooden. Unless somebody wants to make the case for Wojo-Dukiet

[Mu8891]

Hiring Sheyer is a bit of a joke

Coach Ks coaching " tree " is terrible
( either disasters or mediocrity)  Sheyer is really the only one not to fail, cuz he has not had a chance

I say this lasts 2 to 3 years ... max.

But good riddance to K.  Cannot stand the man

[MU82]

Scheyer has been an assistant at Duke for 6 years.  Under a notorious control freak who has an exceptionally mediocre coaching tree given the program.

Roy Williams was a HS coach for 5-6 years and then a decade under Dean Smith, who had a reputation for spinning out great coaches under his tutelage.

Scheyer may turn out to be a great coach, but calling him a longtime assistant, much less a similar situation going into this job as Roy Williams, is apples to oranges IMO.

Next season will be Scheyer's 8th on K's bench, his 7th as full assistant (which he became after spending 2013-14 as "special assistant"), and his 4th as associate head coach. That after a 4-year playing career learning under K and his assistants, the last of which where he learned how to be a PG and became the proverbial "coach on the floor" for a national championship team.

Whether 8 years qualifies as "longtime" is a matter of semantics. You are correct that he has zero head coaching experience at any level, and that's almost surely not a good thing. You also are correct that K has not been a groomer of great coaches.

Scheyer might end up being a horrible, horrible coach. Or he might be end up being very good. We'll see! The one thing we all know is that nobody knows. We do all have opinions, though.

I'd be surprised if he is a huge success, but I'd say that about anybody who takes over for the legend.

[MUfan12]

Call me cynical, but I think Coach K picked a bad replacement on purpose.

So if the options, as reported, we're Dawkins, Amaker, Wojo, Collins, and Scheyer... All those guys but Jon would probably be done as head coaches if they flamed out at Duke after mediocre results in prior gigs. I do wonder if that played into the thought process at all.

[Its DJOver]

He's a bit of a career journeyman, and I doubt that he'd give up his NBA gig, but it sure seems convenient that the folks here that think that Coach K has a less than stellar coaching tree are omitting the coach of the team with the best record in the NBA this season...  Just saying.   

[Billy Hoyle]

He's a bit of a career journeyman, and I doubt that he'd give up his NBA gig, but it sure seems convenient that the folks here that think that Coach K has a less than stellar coaching tree are omitting the coach of the team with the best record in the NBA this season...  Just saying.   

because it's hard to overlook his snorting, er, flaming out at Missouri.

[MU82]

He's a bit of a career journeyman, and I doubt that he'd give up his NBA gig, but it sure seems convenient that the folks here that think that Coach K has a less than stellar coaching tree are omitting the coach of the team with the best record in the NBA this season...  Just saying.   

Good catch.

[Its DJOver]

because it's hard to overlook his snorting, er, flaming out at Missouri.

Kinda missed the point completely but okay.

I was not advocating for Synder to be a candidate, or get the job (although Duke would 100% take him and overlook his ...transgressions... from 15 years ago considering his resume since) I even said that he wouldn't want it.  But, a significant portion of people here, when looking at the K coaching tree, are pretty much blinded by the one name that patrolled our sideline.  There are better options out there than Scheyer IMO, but there's no way that K wasn't going to be able to name who he wanted, and I guess Jon is that guy.