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swoopem

Quote from: Jockey on April 13, 2021, 11:56:23 AM
If you think Acker was better than Dom James, I don't know what to say.

A) I didn't say that

B) I thought we were talking "pure point guards". I wouldn't call Dom a pure point guard. He was awesome and much better than Mo but I don't think he falls in the pure point guard category
Bring back FFP!!!

Jockey

Quote from: swoopem on April 13, 2021, 12:03:54 PM
A) I didn't say that

B) I thought we were talking "pure point guards". I wouldn't call Dom a pure point guard. He was awesome and much better than Mo but I don't think he falls in the pure point guard category

Huh??

Jockey

Very surprising that I have not seen a single mention of Tony Smith.

The Sultan

Quote from: swoopem on April 13, 2021, 12:03:54 PM
A) I didn't say that

B) I thought we were talking "pure point guards". I wouldn't call Dom a pure point guard. He was awesome and much better than Mo but I don't think he falls in the pure point guard category


You need to define for me why Dom isn't a "pure point guard" but Travis is.  Because this is starting not to make much sense to me.
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Galway Eagle

Quote from: Jockey on April 13, 2021, 12:16:27 PM
Very surprising that I have not seen a single mention of Tony Smith.

Maybe if he had a semi decent teammate and/or coach we'd see how he'd actually stack up but the lack of team success probably drags him down
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brewcity77

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on April 13, 2021, 12:19:15 PM

You need to define for me why Dom isn't a "pure point guard" but Travis is.  Because this is starting not to make much sense to me.

Yeah...I'm not sure what other position Dom could occupy. He sure as hell wasn't a shooting guard. So are we slotting him into the 3 or 4?

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Quote from: swoopem on April 13, 2021, 12:03:54 PM
A) I didn't say that

B) I thought we were talking "pure point guards". I wouldn't call Dom a pure point guard. He was awesome and much better than Mo but I don't think he falls in the pure point guard category

James was a pure PG. According to T rank, James had an assist rate of 29.8% and TO rate of 16.6% as a junior and senior (earlier years not available).  Those are very good PG numbers.

I do recall a time when Crean tried to turn James into a SG but he never thrived as a primary scorer.  Much better facilitator and complementary scorer.

swoopem

The thread is titled "pure point guard". I didn't make the thread. Of course Dom was a point guard, but to me he was always a score first point guard. Nothing wrong with that. I'm sure there'll be a bunch of numbers and stats to say otherwise but to me, he was a score first point guard.
Bring back FFP!!!

swoopem

Quote from: Lazar's Headband on April 13, 2021, 12:25:06 PM
James was a pure PG. According to T rank, James had an assist rate of 29.8% and TO rate of 16.6% as a junior and senior (earlier years not available).  Those are very good PG numbers.

I do recall a time when Crean tried to turn James into a SG but he never thrived as a primary scorer.  Much better facilitator and complementary scorer.

You posted this while I was typing my other post. I knew there'd be some numbers to say otherwise
Bring back FFP!!!

Jockey

Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 13, 2021, 12:21:56 PM
Maybe if he had a semi decent teammate and/or coach we'd see how he'd actually stack up but the lack of team success probably drags him down

Yeah, I think that may be the case, but we are talking PGs, not teams.

The Sultan

Quote from: swoopem on April 13, 2021, 12:27:47 PM
The thread is titled "pure point guard". I didn't make the thread. Of course Dom was a point guard, but to me he was always a score first point guard. Nothing wrong with that. I'm sure there'll be a bunch of numbers and stats to say otherwise but to me, he was a score first point guard.

Maybe his freshman and sophomore years. 

His senior year, he was fourth on the team in per game FG, FGA and points.  And lead the team in assists.

He was a point guard.
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Goose

DJames makes my top five PG list.

keefe

Quote from: Goose on April 13, 2021, 01:19:53 PM
DJames makes my top five PG list.

I think Dom James wakes up every morning and curses Too Tanned Tommy. Crean cost that kid millions.


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NCMUFan

Quote from: Goose on April 13, 2021, 01:19:53 PM
DJames makes my top five PG list.
DJames, Jim Boylan, Dean Meminger, Travis Diener,

lawdog77


Goose

lawdog77


Interesting. I do not think Marcus Jackson would make many all time PG lists, but what the hell do I know?


GooooMarquette

Quote from: keefe on April 13, 2021, 11:59:30 AM
I put MJ on the list because he was a phenomenal talent. Put him on one of Al's teams and he would have been brilliant.


Loved watching Mandy play. Absolute bulldog on defense.

Goose

Mandy could not dribble to save his life but sure could play D. Had a lot of classes with Mandy and enjoyed hanging with him.

Newsdreams

Quote from: Goose on April 13, 2021, 03:57:17 PM
Mandy could not dribble to save his life but sure could play D. Had a lot of classes with Mandy and enjoyed hanging with him.
Cain dribble
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Quote from: Goose on April 13, 2021, 03:57:17 PM
Mandy could not dribble to save his life but sure could play D. Had a lot of classes with Mandy and enjoyed hanging with him.

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Newsdreams

Quote from: tower912 on April 13, 2021, 05:09:50 PM
You're not as old as I thought you were.
He isn't, but I'm older than him and feel younger it seems.
Goal is National Championship
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Dr. Blackheart

Quote from: Goose on April 13, 2021, 03:57:17 PM
Mandy could not dribble to save his life but sure could play D. Had a lot of classes with Mandy and enjoyed hanging with him.

Mandy was as all right handed with his dribble and Haanif was all left handed. 

MU82

Meminger ... Walton ... Worthen ... Miller ... Diener ... James

That's 6, and that's fine with me. Loved 'em all.

The "pure" PG discussion is kind of silly. Not sure why a "pure" PG can't score, too.
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