5 best MU pure PG's?

[MuggsyB]

I watched Tony Miller as a kid but didn't see the players of the 60's, 70's. and 80's.

I will defer to the experts but do we agree with Miller and Diener in the top 5?  Is Worthern there?  I know times have changed but who were our best conductors at the 1?

[Judge Smails]

Tony Miller was the first person I thought of when I saw the title of the thread. Pure PG through and through. A distributor. I think he may have even been a QB in high school; QBs often times make strong point guards as they both require strong field/court vision and anticipation.

[GooooMarquette]

I would definitely start with Tony Miller, Lloyd Walton and Sam Worthen.

[MuggsyB]

I've watched Worthen a bit on video.  I know there have been a plethora of cool MU players but I would have to think he's 1st team.  He seemed to be in total control and saw the floor quite well.

[BCHoopster]

Forget the best one, Dean Menninger, the dream.

[GooooMarquette]

Forget the best one, Dean Menninger, the dream.

Yep. I totally forgot about Dean. Doh!

[MuggsyB]

But was Dean a pure PG?   I know he may be the MU goat at the 1 but wasn't he more of a scorer?  Clearly he had jets off the bounce and that's very important regardless of overall assist totals.

[#UnleashSean]

Pure pg? Diener. Hands down

[MuggsyB]

nm

[Dr. Blackheart]

Travis...by a lot.

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

Dwayne Wade should be eligible for this discussion.  Don't forget Doc Rivers either.

[BCHoopster]

But was Dean a pure PG?   I know he may be the MU goat at the 1 but wasn't he more of a scorer?  Clearly he had jets off the bounce and that's very important regardless of overall assist totals.

Al played a different game back then, once MU got up by 10, with no thirty second clock, Dean had the ball in his hands all the time and barely turned it over.  One of the best dribblers of all time, decent passer.  So quick.

[MuggsyB]

Al played a different game back then, once MU got up by 10, with no thirty second clock, Dean had the ball in his hands all the time and barely turned it over.  One of the best dribblers of all time, decent passer.  So quick.

Fair point.  And this is so, so, important.  It's part of many reasons I respect Muggsy so much.  He couldn't be pressed even in the hand checking era with far more physicality.   It's the combination of quicks, handles, and poise that we should all admire.  A more modern example would be Peyton Siva when he played at L'Ville.  He wasn't much of a shooter but you could just give him the ball down the stretch.  I like guys that are under control and equipped with supreme quickness and handles. 

[Billy Hoyle]

Travis...by a lot.

I love Travis, but as a "pure" PG I'd put Tony first. Travis was more of a scoring PG, Tony a floor general. The dude averaged almost 8 assists per game for his career, in KO's grinding system.

Travis could have played as an off guard, Tony could only be a PG.

[GooooMarquette]

Al played a different game back then, once MU got up by 10, with no thirty second clock, Dean had the ball in his hands all the time and barely turned it over.  One of the best dribblers of all time, decent passer.  So quick.

Yep. Dean was most definitely a PG. He scored a lot of points, but he also led the team in assists and had the ball in his hands when it mattered.

If we are going to limit the definition of "pure PG" to those guys who got a lot of assists but didn't score much, the list would start and end with Tony Miller.

[jaygall31]

Hutch?

[GooooMarquette]

Hutch?

Hutch was awesome, but I view him more as a shooting guard who was forced to play the point. Kind of like Markus.

[jfp61]

I love Travis, but as a "pure" PG I'd put Tony first. Travis was more of a scoring PG, Tony a floor general. The dude averaged almost 8 assists per game for his career, in KO's grinding system.

Travis could have played as an off guard, Tony could only be a PG.

Travis was 4th in assist rate his junior year and 1st in the country his senior year.

Travis's Senior year pre injury is so underrated, because the rest of the team was rough, minus steve.

[BCHoopster]

Lloyd Walton was like Tony Miller as well.  Set the offense up, got it going.  Lloyd might have been the best if Al did not walk the ball up the court.  The 76 team would be fun to watch in this era.  Butch, Lloyd, Earl, Bo and Whitehead.  All made the show.

[JakeBarnes]

I love Travis, but as a "pure" PG I'd put Tony first. Travis was more of a scoring PG, Tony a floor general. The dude averaged almost 8 assists per game for his career, in KO's grinding system.

Travis could have played as an off guard, Tony could only be a PG.

Travis was a modern pg before the modern-day pg.

[WarriorFan]

Anthony Candelino.  The only MU starting PG who could go to the rec center and get torched by at least 15 different guys.

[The Sultan]

Travis was 4th in assist rate his junior year and 1st in the country his senior year.

Travis's Senior year pre injury is so underrated, because the rest of the team was rough, minus steve.

I've never understood why some people refuse to label someone a "pure PG" if they score too much. That doesn't make any sense to me.

Yeah a "floor general" is nice. But one that can score is even better.

[avid1010]

Travis...by a lot.

Yup...not even close. 

[Jockey]

Forget the best one, Dean Menninger, the dream.

By a country mile.

[4everwarriors]

Forget the best one, Dean Menninger, the dream.

End of thread, aina?