We should be happy beating UNC

[wadesworld]

Buddy, read the post. I listed 3 wins that "aggregate" to change the outcome of the season. Do you know what "aggregate" means? You've been on here with this same song and dance at every single one.

Buddy, beating Georgetown, Butler, and UNC are not going to be what keeps Wojo around.  You pretend you have this incredible ability to see the bigger picture that everyone else is missing.  In reality, it's completely the opposite.  If you reverse the results of any (or all) of those 3 games, the outcome of the season (and Wojo's job status) do not change.

[wadesworld]

I'm gonna get in my suit and apply for the job tomorrow, 82.... I mean what is ever going to come from anything anyone does here?  Every post is the very definition of useless blathering.

But to answer your question earnestly, I'm going to boo the living crap out of the coach the second we're allowed back in the Forum.

Imagine being a grown man and thinking booing coaches or teams is cool.

But hey.  You have the bigger picture in mind.  If you boo, it's sending the message!  Mediocrity (we beat UNC!) will not be tolerated just as piss poor (we lost to UNC  ) will not be tolerated here.

[Scoop Snoop]

I'm gonna get in my suit and apply for the job tomorrow, 82.... I mean what is ever going to come from anything anyone does here?  Every post is the very definition of useless blathering.

But to answer your question earnestly, I'm going to boo the living crap out of the coach the second we're allowed back in the Forum.

Not true! Yours enlighten all the fools here.

Re booing: Please find a way to get into the Xavier game and get a seat near the bench so Wojo can hear you. The closer to Theo, the better.

[MU82]

Except for a couple of Scoopers - who have disappeared from the board the past week or so - nearly all of us have assumed Wojo would be back all season. And that includes those like me who went from ProJo to NoJo during the course of the season.

He was coming off 3 NCAAs in 4 years and there's a pandemic this season. He has a $6M buyout. All around the nation, bluebloods are having poor seasons. All of the above made it easy for MU honchos who like Wojo to rationalize keeping him. Many (most?) of us might not like it, but he simply wasn't going to get fired.

So to keep saying that 1 or 2 or 3 wins "saved" him ... it's just silly. And to not enjoy a double-digit victory at the Dean Dome ... sorry, but it's plain stoopid.

I'm gonna be happy when we win. If we win out and somehow get into the NCAA tourney, I'll be ecstatic. And if we have a great season in 2021-22, I'll be very happy to admit I was wrong(ish) about Wojo.

What I'm never gonna do is whine after victories by the team I have spent 45 years loving.

[4everwarriors]

Sew, how badd iz Louisville, hey?

[GooooMarquette]

Sew, how badd iz Louisville, hey?

Or how good is DePaul for beating us...who beat UNC...who beat UL? 

#sleepinggiant

[CTWarrior]

Except for a couple of Scoopers - who have disappeared from the board the past week or so - nearly all of us have assumed Wojo would be back all season. And that includes those like me who went from ProJo to NoJo during the course of the season.

He was coming off 3 NCAAs in 4 years and there's a pandemic this season. He has a $6M buyout. All around the nation, bluebloods are having poor seasons. All of the above made it easy for MU honchos who like Wojo to rationalize keeping him. Many (most?) of us might not like it, but he simply wasn't going to get fired.

So to keep saying that 1 or 2 or 3 wins "saved" him ... it's just silly. And to not enjoy a double-digit victory at the Dean Dome ... sorry, but it's plain stoopid.

I'm gonna be happy when we win. If we win out and somehow get into the NCAA tourney, I'll be ecstatic. And if we have a great season in 2021-22, I'll be very happy to admit I was wrong(ish) about Wojo.

What I'm never gonna do is whine after victories by the team I have spent 45 years loving.

This is where I am.  Wojo is coming back next year, so there is no reason not to celebrate the victories.  And frankly, there is never a reason not to celebrate the victories unless someone gets injured in the game.

[Galway Eagle]

Or how good is DePaul for beating us...who beat UNC...who beat UL? 

#sleepinggiant

And we beat Creighton who beat Villanova. So Depaul > Villanova.

[MuggsyB]

No one is suggesting the team not compete. They should go out there and do their absolute best every time on the floor. The same way the 76ers G League teams they were trotting out for a couple years played 100% every single night. If that effort results in .500 seasons every year and bubble city with no NCAA wins over 8 years - the admin needs to be smart enough to move on from the coach. They have not been. They won't be at the end of this year (is the consensus). So really the admin is as responsible for the eternal plunge into irrelevance as Wojo - which I've said consistently.

Have people not agreed with this assessment?   I guess I'm missing where anyone said the performance and result of last night means we should no longer make a coaching change?  t's ludicrous that this one game would directly impact the admin decision.  My guess is several weeks ago they have discussed whether to bring him back for one more year or blow this thing up immediately.

[Gato78]

Have people not agreed with this assessment?   I guess I'm missing where anyone said the performance and result of last night means we should no longer make a coaching change?  t's ludicrous that this one game would directly impact the admin decision.  My guess is several weeks ago they have discussed whether to bring him back for one more year or blow this thing up immediately.

I am confident that they have already given the green light on next year with Wojo. Otherwise, he could not recruit and it seems they are making some progress in the 2022 class and still recruiting the 2021 class. Why spend the money and time to go to North Carolina if the coach is a dead man walking? I agree he should be retained. I think his leash will be short next year but our young guys are making progress. Love what I am seeing from Garcia and Carton.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Sew, how badd iz Louisville, hey?

We'll find out soon when they get dismantled by UVA.

[Farley36]

I am confident that they have already given the green light on next year with Wojo. Otherwise, he could not recruit and it seems they are making some progress in the 2022 class and still recruiting the 2021 class. Why spend the money and time to go to North Carolina if the coach is a dead man walking? I agree he should be retained. I think his leash will be short next year but our young guys are making progress. Love what I am seeing from Garcia and Carton.

This type of thinking is exactly why a win at UNC is bad long term.  It provides a glimmer of hope.  Then you hear phrases like "young players are developing."   Which leads to Wojo is on the right path, it was a pandemic, blue bloods are having off years, etc...   Wojo has had years to get this program on the right track and had failed miserably.  There is no success on the horizon.  He needs to go now and anything that is part of a narrative to keep him here any longer is bad for the long term success of Marquette basketball.   

[5DollarPitcher]

This type of thinking is exactly why a win at UNC is bad long term.  It provides a glimmer of hope.  Then you hear phrases like "young players are developing."   Which leads to Wojo is on the right path, it was a pandemic, blue bloods are having off years, etc...   Wojo has had years to get this program on the right track and had failed miserably.  There is no success on the horizon.  He needs to go now and anything that is part of a narrative to keep him here any longer is bad for the long term success of Marquette basketball.

I've been saying this exact thing since at least 2018. We will still be here in 2022, then in 2024, then in 2026. The only way to fix the program is to cut the bad fruit off of the tree as soon as possible.

[79Warrior]

Sew, how badd iz Louisville, hey?

Roy thought this game would be a win. He said it in his post game presser. UNC was looking past us.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I've been saying this exact thing since at least 2018. We will still be here in 2022, then in 2024, then in 2026. The only way to fix the program is to cut the bad fruit off of the tree as soon as possible.

I'm genuinely curious if you have an answer to this question:

I understand that you think Marquette losing is the best thing for the program long term. I don't agree with but comprehend your thought process. But do you enjoy it? Do you enjoy watching your team lose? If the answer is yes, I don't get that but that's your business. If that's how you get your rocks off, more power to you.

But if the answer is no...why are you watching? If wins make you upset because you think it is bad for the program long term and losses make you upset because you don't enjoy watching your team lose, what possible upside can there be to you watching? Why not just tune out until either Wojo is fired or has won enough to change your mind?

[NolongerWarriors]

This type of thinking is exactly why a win at UNC is bad long term.  It provides a glimmer of hope.  Then you hear phrases like "young players are developing."   Which leads to Wojo is on the right path, it was a pandemic, blue bloods are having off years, etc...   Wojo has had years to get this program on the right track and had failed miserably.  There is no success on the horizon.  He needs to go now and anything that is part of a narrative to keep him here any longer is bad for the long term success of Marquette basketball.

Agreed.

Anything that happens to help Wojo last another year is a disaster.

It's amazing that fans are content with bringing back a coach who hasn't won a single NCAA game in his entire tenure.

But it is what it is.  MU will stink again next season and there will be excuses/reasons to bring him back yet again.

[NolongerWarriors]

I'm genuinely curious if you have an answer to this question:

I didn't even watch the first half and turned it on expecting  to see MU blown out and saw MU up 18 and said to myself, "oh crap."

Agree with Pitcher that last night was a disaster for MU long term.

[Uncle Rico]

I didn't even watch the first half and turned it on expecting  to see MU blown out and saw MU up 18 and said to myself, "oh crap."

Agree with Pitcher that last night was a disaster for MU long term.

It isn't

[The Sultan]

Agreed.

Anything that happens to help Wojo last another year is a disaster.

It's amazing that fans are content with bringing back a coach who hasn't won a single NCAA game in his entire tenure.

But it is what it is.  MU will stink again next season and there will be excuses/reasons to bring him back yet again.

Again, you aren't understanding something.

*Wojo was coming back next year regardless of the outcome.  Gato confirmed this.  Gato knows what he is talking about
*People can still think that Wojo isn't the right coach for this team, but but happy for the outcome, happy for the team and happy for the coach.
*I have absolutely no leverage to fire the coach.

These aren't excuses and I am not content about the overall direction of the program.  But I am happy they won.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

This type of thinking is exactly why a win at UNC is bad long term.  It provides a glimmer of hope.  Then you hear phrases like "young players are developing."   Which leads to Wojo is on the right path, it was a pandemic, blue bloods are having off years, etc...   Wojo has had years to get this program on the right track and had failed miserably.  There is no success on the horizon.  He needs to go now and anything that is part of a narrative to keep him here any longer is bad for the long term success of Marquette basketball.

I don't know how many times it can be said. Wojo was never getting fired this season. COVID saved his job a long time ago. Nothing to do with wins and losses. Wojo is playing with house money at this point. He could lose every remaining game or he could win enough to fall one loss short of the tournament...both results end up with him getting the exact same amount of leash next season. Win or be fired.

I am amazed how dumb people think Bill Scholl is, that winning what likely becomes a meaningless game against North Carolina is suddenly going to buy Wojo an extra year when the rest of the season has been a crap sandwich.

[Uncle Rico]

I don't know how many times it can be said. Wojo was never getting fired this season. COVID saved his job a long time ago. Nothing to do with wins and losses. Wojo is playing with house money at this point. He could lose every remaining game or he could win enough to fall one loss short of the tournament...both results end up with him getting the exact same amount of leash next season. Win or be fired.

I am amazed how dumb people think Bill Scholl is, that winning what likely becomes a meaningless game against North Carolina is suddenly going to buy Wojo an extra year when the rest of the season has been a crap sandwich.

Fact and logic have no place at Scoop. 

[cheebs09]

I don't know how many times it can be said. Wojo was never getting fired this season. COVID saved his job a long time ago. Nothing to do with wins and losses. Wojo is playing with house money at this point. He could lose every remaining game or he could win enough to fall one loss short of the tournament...both results end up with him getting the exact same amount of leash next season. Win or be fired.

I am amazed how dumb people think Bill Scholl is, that winning what likely becomes a meaningless game against North Carolina is suddenly going to buy Wojo an extra year when the rest of the season has been a crap sandwich.

Yea, also UNC is a bubble team. UW and Creighton were much better wins. Is beating UCONN going to dramatically setback the program?

Heck, maybe the powers that be at Boston College saw the game and thought they need to make a run at Wojo. Talented team with some injuries came into UNC on short notice and fit a win. He knows all about the ACC.

[GurneeHitchkr]

All fans are sometimes idiots.  It just a matter of how often you show your idiocy that makes people decide if they think you're an idiot.

Looking at the Tarheel message boards today, their fans don't sound much different than some people on this board. There are even some of them calling for a coaching change.  Go figure.

[The Sultan]

All fans are sometimes idiots.  It just a matter of how often you show your idiocy that makes people decide if they think you're an idiot.

Looking at the Tarheel message boards today, their fans don't sound much different than some people on this board. There are even some of them calling for a coaching change.  Go figure.

If that happens, Scholl has to call Roy's agent right?

[MuggsyB]

Agreed.

Anything that happens to help Wojo last another year is a disaster.

It's amazing that fans are content with bringing back a coach who hasn't won a single NCAA game in his entire tenure.

But it is what it is.  MU will stink again next season and there will be excuses/reasons to bring him back yet again.

With all due respect I think the two of you are conflating separate issues.  I can't  speak/write for everyone but I and many other posters agree we need to blow this thing up ASAP.  Imo it's a dumpster fire and last night doesn't change that fact. 

At the same time if  you are literally rooting for us to lose, believing that these losses will seal the deal regarding Wojo's future, then it does beg the question why do you support and watch the team at all? 

Additionally, if you are excoriating MU fans for enjoying a win over UNC, especially in light of how tough this year has been, it's truly bizarre and suggests that you have trouble compartmentalizing.  If you were living on Ramen noodles for a month, and then had a prime-time dinner somewhere one evening, would you not enjoy the meal out of spite?