OT: 2021 Coaching Carousel

[Billy Hoyle]

We will see. I've written UW off too many times before. We thought Gard's first season was doomed and he rallied to a Sweet 16. He's just kept chugging along, largely similar to Bo's first half dozen or so seasons, maybe just short of that. Until they string a couple failed seasons together, I've seen too much consistent winning to predict a downfall.

I think Barry is just waiting for the right time. He got backed into hiring Gard. He still isn't happy about that.

[Silent Verbal]

I think Barry is just waiting for the right time. He got backed into hiring Gard. He still isn't happy about that.

Yeah, Barry doesn't strike me as the type of guy who likes having his hand forced.  And I don't think there was a lot of love lost between him and Bo.

[Uncle Rico]

Yeah, Barry doesn't strike me as the type of guy who likes having his hand forced.  And I don't think there was a lot of love lost between him and Bo.

Barry doesn't like sharing office tail with subordinates

[Viper]

Barry doesn't like sharing office tail with subordinates

100%

[The Sultan]

Barry's not making a lot of decisions these days.  He spends a good part of the winter in Florida and does a lot of donor work and figurehead type stuff.  They aren't getting rid of Gard anytime soon.

[Galway Eagle]

Out of curiosity did Barry run off Brett Beilema? Seems any coach that made three rose bowls was getting dangerously close to sharing Barry's mantle and that would've upset him

[cheebs09]

Out of curiosity did Barry run off Brett Beilema? Seems any coach that made three rose bowls was getting dangerously close to sharing Barry's mantle and that would've upset him

I thought the story was Bielema's wife forced the move out of Madison due to him having too many "distractions."

[The Sultan]

I think Brett wanted to be out of Barry's shadow.  He wasn't forced out by any means. 

[Galway Eagle]

I think Brett wanted to be out of Barry's shadow.  He wasn't forced out by any means.

gotcha. Just was curious if Barry was that petty about someone encroaching his legacy

[The Sultan]

gotcha. Just was curious if Barry was that petty about someone encroaching his legacy

He's UW's Al McGuire.  His legacy is firm no matter what happens.  I don't think you can grasp, like I did growing up in Madison in the 70s and 80s, how utterly futile Wisconsin football was for a long time.

I remember when they got a bid to the Garden State Bowl and how miraculous that was.  And the next year they actually won the Independence Bowl - their first bowl win ever!  And they would fill Camp Randall once a year if they were lucky.  All that changed with Barry.

That's why he's untouchable as AD.  Even though he doesn't really do much.  As long as he doesn't get into trouble and the cash machine keeps churning, the chancellor at Madison is just going to leave that alone.

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

He's UW's Al McGuire.  His legacy is firm no matter what happens.  I don't think you can grasp, like I did growing up in Madison in the 70s and 80s, how utterly futile Wisconsin football was for a long time.

I remember when they got a bid to the Garden State Bowl and how miraculous that was.  And the next year they actually won the Independence Bowl - their first bowl win ever!  And they would fill Camp Randall once a year if they were lucky.  All that changed with Barry.

That's why he's untouchable as AD.  Even though he doesn't really do much.  As long as he doesn't get into trouble and the cash machine keeps churning, the chancellor at Madison is just going to leave that alone.

*As long as his troubles stay out of the public eye.

[MU82]

I just finished reading The Athletic's long article by Seth Davis on the coaching carousel.

20 coaches were named -- those definitely expected to get fired, those on the hot seat, and the hottest candidates for all the expected open jobs.

Wojo not mentioned once. Marquette not mentioned once.

So either Davis is clueless (possible) or it's already common knowledge that Wojo ain't going anywhere (probable).

Best stuff:

Sean Miller likely gone; Pitino Jr gone; Leitao gone; Archie Miller likely staying for one more year due to high buyout that goes down by two-thirds after next season; Frank Martin perhaps out at SC, partly because he doesn't like it there and partly because they don't like him; everybody's calling Matta; Beilein wants to coach again; Moser and Gates are the two hottest names; Schmidt (St Bon HC), Shrewsberry (Purdue asst) and Stoudamire (fmr NBA star) also pretty hot; Weber and Prohm might make it another year (but might not).

Oh, and pretty much every candidate Davis named might be a candidate for DePaul.

But again, sorry to report, no Wojo or Marquette mentions.

[wadesworld]

There are only two possibilities that Wojo is gone.

1) Beilein or Matta call MU and tell them they want Wojo's job.  If that happens, MU better suck it up and make the move.

2) Pilot's connection is an incredibly wealthy donor who is either ponying up for the buyout and new coach's salary him/herself or he/she's moving on to funding a different men's basketball program.

[Loose Cannon]

I just finished reading The Athletic's long article by Seth Davis on the coaching carousel.

20 coaches were named -- those definitely expected to get fired, those on the hot seat, and the hottest candidates for all the expected open jobs.

Wojo not mentioned once. Marquette not mentioned once.

So either Davis is clueless (possible) or it's already common knowledge that Wojo ain't going anywhere (probable).

Best stuff:

Sean Miller likely gone; Pitino Jr gone; Leitao gone; Archie Miller likely staying for one more year due to high buyout that goes down by two-thirds after next season; Frank Martin perhaps out at SC, partly because he doesn't like it there and partly because they don't like him; everybody's calling Matta; Beilein wants to coach again; Moser and Gates are the two hottest names; Schmidt (St Bon HC), Shrewsberry (Purdue asst) and Stoudamire (fmr NBA star) also pretty hot; Weber and Prohm might make it another year (but might not).

Oh, and pretty much every candidate Davis named might be a candidate for DePaul.

But again, sorry to report, no Wojo or Marquette mentions.

Thanks for the Run Down.

[cheebs09]

There are only two possibilities that Wojo is gone.

1) Beilein or Matta call MU and tell them they want Wojo's job.  If that happens, MU better suck it up and make the move.

2) Pilot's connection is an incredibly wealthy donor who is either ponying up for the buyout and new coach's salary him/herself or he/she's moving on to funding a different men's basketball program.

I think a third scenario is that Scholl takes a hard line in extension negotiation and the only way he gets one is a severely reduced buyout. Wojo jumps to another job for a clean slate.

I don't think it's likely. However, if a Lewis, Carton, or Garcia have already given indications they are leaving, I could see him wanting to get out before his stock drops too far.

[wadesworld]

I think a third scenario is that Scholl takes a hard line in extension negotiation and the only way he gets one is a severely reduced buyout. Wojo jumps to another job for a clean slate.

I don't think it's likely. However, if a Lewis, Carton, or Garcia have already given indications they are leaving, I could see him wanting to get out before his stock drops too far.

I agree that would be a possibility.  I just don't know what job he would take that would be significantly higher paying than heading back to the Duke bench as an assistant.  I don't see any P6 schools making him a top candidate.

[The Sultan]

Right.  I think if Scholl takes a hard line, then Wojo probably just doesn't sign the extension.  But in reality Marquette has the leverage in these negotiations.

[shoothoops]

I just finished reading The Athletic's long article by Seth Davis on the coaching carousel.

20 coaches were named -- those definitely expected to get fired, those on the hot seat, and the hottest candidates for all the expected open jobs.

Wojo not mentioned once. Marquette not mentioned once.

So either Davis is clueless (possible) or it's already common knowledge that Wojo ain't going anywhere (probable).

Best stuff:

Sean Miller likely gone; Pitino Jr gone; Leitao gone; Archie Miller likely staying for one more year due to high buyout that goes down by two-thirds after next season; Frank Martin perhaps out at SC, partly because he doesn't like it there and partly because they don't like him; everybody's calling Matta; Beilein wants to coach again; Moser and Gates are the two hottest names; Schmidt (St Bon HC), Shrewsberry (Purdue asst) and Stoudamire (fmr NBA star) also pretty hot; Weber and Prohm might make it another year (but might not).

Oh, and pretty much every candidate Davis named might be a candidate for DePaul.

But again, sorry to report, no Wojo or Marquette mentions.

Frank Martin isn't the first coach to have more success at his previous stop (Kansas St.).than South Carolina. Dave Odom had more success at Wake Forest, Eddie Fogler had more success at Vandy, etc...Martin wanted the Miami job (his hometown) last time around but he wasn't considered under the previous administration. Larranaga has stumbled a few seasons after having success at Miami. He isn't interested in retiring yet.

[cheebs09]

Right.  I think if Scholl takes a hard line, then Wojo probably just doesn't sign the extension.  But in reality Marquette has the leverage in these negotiations.

Yea. Wojo strikes me as a bet on himself type of guy, so I think he sticks it out. Just trying to find some optimism we will have a coaching search this off-season.

[Uncle Rico]

Frank Martin unhappy?  Wow, knock me over with a feather.

Wojo to USC

[brewcity77]

He's UW's Al McGuire.  His legacy is firm no matter what happens.  I don't think you can grasp, like I did growing up in Madison in the 70s and 80s, how utterly futile Wisconsin football was for a long time.

I remember when they got a bid to the Garden State Bowl and how miraculous that was.  And the next year they actually won the Independence Bowl - their first bowl win ever!  And they would fill Camp Randall once a year if they were lucky.  All that changed with Barry.

That's why he's untouchable as AD.  Even though he doesn't really do much.  As long as he doesn't get into trouble and the cash machine keeps churning, the chancellor at Madison is just going to leave that alone.

That 1993 Rose Bowl appearance and victory was absolutely stunning. On par with Loyola-Chicago or Butler going to the Final Four. It had been a decade since their last (and only) bowl win and they were basically the laughingstock of the Big 10.

[MU82]

Oh, and I meant to include this entire paragraph from The Athletic on Mike Brey because I thought folks would find it very interesting. I did.

Mike Brey, head coach, Notre Dame. Brey's contract expires in 2025, and he has said he does not expect to be coaching in South Bend beyond that. The Irish last played in the NCAA Tournament in 2017, and with this year's team finishing 11th in the ACC, there has been much speculation that perhaps Brey, 61, is ready to step down voluntarily. "Absolutely not. No way," Brey told me when I asked him about that possibility. "We've got a great group coming back and a former co-Ivy League Player of the Year (Paul Atkinson, a 6-10 grad transfer from Yale). I feel really strongly we could get back in the hunt, and I know our guys feel that way too." With Brey's intentions made clear, the only question is whether Notre Dame's athletic director Jack Swarbrick will force him out. It's not impossible, but it would be a pretty big surprise.

And yes ... ND really, really, really effen sucks!

[shoothoops]

Lots of Dennis Gates fans out there. (Well earned)

https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/1369466964134014976?s=19

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Was thinking we would get another year to evaluate Gates in case we give Wojo the heave ho next season. At this point, looks like he will be snatched up this season.

[swoopem]

Was thinking we would get another year to evaluate Gates in case we give Wojo the heave ho next season. At this point, looks like he will be snatched up this season.

Agreed. Seems we're gonna let another good one get away