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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: GoldenWarrior11 on February 15, 2021, 01:52:34 PM
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With BC parting ways with Christian, below are the current openings. There are expected to many more in the coming weeks, since many schools chose not to make firing decisions last Spring when COVID began. On average, there could be 50+ coaching changes each Spring (between firings, retirements, positions opening up from head coaches being hired, etc.).
Wichita State
Penn State
Boston College
Fordham
Portland
Northern Illinois
UT Martin
UTRGV
IUPUI
Texas State
UC Riverside
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Took me a minute to figure out what UTRGV means...but I got it!
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Took me a minute to figure out what UTRGV means...but I got it!
Their coach, Lee Hill, sadly just passed away.
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Hoosier nation very unhappy with Miller. Celtic nation frustrated with the Brad. Hoosier nation thinks they can lure the Brad home.
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Hoosier nation very unhappy with Miller. Celtic nation frustrated with the Brad. Hoosier nation thinks they can lure the Brad home.
They're so friggin cute.
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Hoosier nation very unhappy with Miller. Celtic nation frustrated with the Brad. Hoosier nation thinks they can lure the Brad home.
Sounds similar to Butler nation thinking Thad is returning
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Yes. The Brad does not enjoy recruiting.
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Sounds similar to Butler nation thinking Thad is returning
No, that one is realistic.
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Yes. The Brad does not enjoy recruiting.
I would think several other nba teams would jump at having The Brad as their coach if it goes south in Boston. He would look good on the Bucks sideline.
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Wichita State removes interim tag of Isaac Brown. I believe he is the first collegiate D1 Black head coach in the state of Kansas. Pretty cool. He definitely earned it after the mess Marshall created.
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Wichita State removes interim tag of Isaac Brown. I believe he is the first collegiate D1 Black head coach in the state of Kansas. Pretty cool. He definitely earned it after the mess Marshall created.
Basketball. Both KU and K-State have had African American football coaches.
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Basketball. Both KU and K-State have had African American football coaches.
Let’s hope he fares better than both the Turner Gill and Ron Prince dumpster fires
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Hoosier nation very unhappy with Miller. Celtic nation frustrated with the Brad. Hoosier nation thinks they can lure the Brad home.
I think Stevens and the Celtics are heading for a divorce. This is one of those cases where a new voice is needed in the room more than an indictment of Brad Stevens coaching ability. He’ll be very attractive to a lot of NBA franchises should he become available. Is Indiana something he’s considered in the past? None of us know for sure
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Paul Weir out at New Mexico. I seem to recall that hire being lauded when it was made but then looked up his record prior and it was only 1 year at New Mexico State.
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I think Stevens and the Celtics are heading for a divorce. This is one of those cases where a new voice is needed in the room more than an indictment of Brad Stevens coaching ability. He’ll be very attractive to a lot of NBA franchises should he become available. Is Indiana something he’s considered in the past? None of us know for sure
So what you're saying is that we're gonna get Brad Stevens as our coach?
That would be awesome!
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So what you're saying is that we're gonna get Brad Stevens as our coach?
That would be awesome!
Would not shock me if Brad Stevens ended up coaching in Milwaukee. Just not with the alma mater. Feels like he’d go to another NBA job before college.
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So what you're saying is that we're gonna get Brad Stevens as our coach?
That would be awesome!
Well, you have to make the call.
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So what you're saying is that we're gonna get Brad Stevens as our coach?
That would be awesome!
No chance until someone starts a thread titled "Brad Stevens".
Dear "someone": please don't
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Well, you have to make the call.
I'll ax Gruber, hey?
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I really hope there’s a bunch of jobs open up and Wojo jumps for one. This product is tough to watch.
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BC, mutually waived buyout seems like an ideal scenario
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Rumors swirling Archie could be on the outs at IU. Four consecutive non-winning seasons in the Big Ten. Buyout would be $10 million.
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Rumors swirling Archie could be on the outs at IU. Four consecutive non-winning seasons in the Big Ten. Buyout would be $10 million.
How would MU fans feel about grabbing the Hoosiers' reject?
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How would MU fans feel about grabbing the Hoosiers' reject?
Hard pass
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Basketball. Both KU and K-State have had African American football coaches.
Apologies. Yes, I meant to include basketball.
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Rumors swirling Archie could be on the outs at IU. Four consecutive non-winning seasons in the Big Ten. Buyout would be $10 million.
As mentioned earlier. Along with Hoosier nation interest in bringing Brad back from the NBA.
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I wouldn’t want Archie, but that could open up a job or two Wojo would jump to based on who Indiana would hire.
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Pitino Jr has been told he’s done. Announcement after the season.
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Pitino Jr has been told he’s done. Announcement after the season.
He’ll do well as an assistant at Iona.
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Paul Weir out at New Mexico. I seem to recall that hire being lauded when it was made but then looked up his record prior and it was only 1 year at New Mexico State.
UNM in talks with Tim Miles.
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UNM in talks with Tim Miles.
Underwhelming hire for them if so. They’ve had some success over the last 30 years, not exactly a dead end program, and a conference with plenty of opportunity. Miles was just ok at CSU, much less his Nebraska mediocrity.
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Stevens makes way more sense at ND if Brey goes, then at Indiana.
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Stevens makes way more sense at ND if Brey goes, then at Indiana.
There is no chance that Stevens returns to CBB for a job that isn’t even close to top 5 in its own conference.
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I wouldn’t want Archie, but that could open up a job or two Wojo would jump to based on who Indiana would hire.
I think Archie would do well in Milwaukee. He was great at Dayton. I still think he's a very good coach. That Indiana job is a pressure-cooker, and they have outsized expectations in Bloomington. I'd be thrilled if he was on the sidelines next year.
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I think Archie would do well in Milwaukee. He was great at Dayton. I still think he's a very good coach. That Indiana job is a pressure-cooker, and they have outsized expectations in Bloomington. I'd be thrilled if he was on the sidelines next year.
MU isn’t the pressure-squeeze of IU, but MU is a lot more demanding for success than Dayton. Archie, similar to Wojo, has recruited some talent. But, for some reason just has not resulted in wins. Why do you feel AM would have success at Marquette?
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MU isn’t the pressure-squeeze of IU, but MU is a lot more demanding for success than Dayton. Archie, similar to Wojo, has recruited some talent. But, for some reason just has not resulted in wins. Why do you feel AM would have success at Marquette?
Miller is living off the Elite 8 run in the mind of some people here and the overall record beyond that is fine but he’s nothing special. Would he be an upgrade? Probably but his best KenPom season was last season at Indiana (34).
His best seeding at Dayton was 7. Anthony Grant would have surpassed that easily last season. Quite honestly, Anthony Grant or Archie are largely the same in my mind when it comes to a coaching candidate.
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Yes. The Brad does not enjoy recruiting.
Neither did Kevin O'Neill. And yet he went back to college when the NBA decided it was done with him.
Stevens, obviously, would have other opportunities in the NBA, so why would he go back to college?
And speaking of K.O. ...
He is the classic example of the grass often not being greener. Marquette was always gonna be a stepping-stone job for him. He always had his eye on bigger prizes, and I guess that's OK. But he not only has struggled elsewhere, he pretty much has been a total failure in every single other head-coaching job he's had.
Look at his record. Marquette was the one and only place K.O. had even a scintilla of success.
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Neither did Kevin O'Neill. And yet he went back to college when the NBA decided it was done with him.
Stevens, obviously, would have other opportunities in the NBA, so why would he go back to college?
And speaking of K.O. ...
He is the classic example of the grass often not being greener. Marquette was always gonna be a stepping-stone job for him. He always had his eye on bigger prizes, and I guess that's OK. But he not only has struggled elsewhere, he pretty much has been a total failure in every single other head-coaching job he's had.
Look at his record. Marquette was the one and only place K.O. had even a scintilla of success.
Apples to oranges of course, KO and Stevens.
I would add that not liking something, and not being good at it are two different things. KO was a good recruiter at Marquette.
As long as a coach can recruit, and, or, hire a staff that can consistently recruit, that's all that matters when it comes to recruiting and coaching in college.
(Brad Stevens will have his pick of NBA and college jobs. Marquette is not likely in that list.)
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Apples to oranges of course, KO and Stevens.
I would add that not liking something, and not being good at it are two different things. KO was a good recruiter at Marquette.
As long as a coach can recruit, and, or, hire a staff that can consistently recruit, that's all that matters when it comes to recruiting and coaching in college.
(Brad Stevens will have his pick of NBA and college jobs. Marquette is not likely in that list.)
Of course Stevens isn't coming to Marquette or any other college job.
And of course there's a difference between not liking and not being good at recruiting. Stevens recruited well at Butler, and he would recruit well at a blueblood if he wanted to - but I doubt he wants to. I know for a fact that KO hated recruiting ... because he told me so on more than one occasion.
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The last time IU had an opening, the faithful were convinced they were getting Billy Donovan. They even had reports of him getting off a private plane that supposedly came from Oklahoma City.
So the fact that they think they can now land Brad Stevens doesn't surprise me at all.
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Of course Stevens isn't coming to Marquette or any other college job.
And of course there's a difference between not liking and not being good at recruiting. Stevens recruited well at Butler, and he would recruit well at a blueblood if he wanted to - but I doubt he wants to. I know for a fact that KO hated recruiting ... because he told me so on more than one occasion.
I'm aware KO didn't/doesn't enjoy recruiting. But what matters is either being good at something you don't enjoy, as was the case with KO, and/or having a staff that can recruit for you in that type of coach. There are many types of coaches, and, many ways to be successful. Some coaches are better recruiters than others. Some like recruiting more than others.
And some coaches prefer other aspects of coaching either in the NBA or college.
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The Marquette coach is available to go to Indiana.
Worked out well for Hoosierland last time.
(Actually, Archie Miller makes Tom Crean look like Bobby Knight.)
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The last time IU had an opening, the faithful were convinced they were getting Billy Donovan. They even had reports of him getting off a private plane that supposedly came from Oklahoma City.
So the fact that they think they can now land Brad Stevens doesn't surprise me at all.
Seems like Beilein and IU would be a really good fit.
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Seems like Beilein and IU would be a really good fit.
Maybe, but I suspect Scott Drew will get a lot of run. Pat Forde wrote a piece at SI about that potential fit. Drew has done a wonderful job in Waco. Not sure what he wants moving forward but there is some sense in that marriage
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Maybe, but I suspect Scott Drew will get a lot of run. Pat Forde wrote a piece at SI about that potential fit. Drew has done a wonderful job in Waco. Not sure what he wants moving forward but there is some sense in that marriage
I'm sure IU is ready to return to the Kelvin Sampson days. Then they can hire Wojo to clean it up and return to the Tom Crean days. Full circle!
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Some rumblings stuff might be going on behind scenes at Wisconsin. Be interesting if anything pops off there
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Albany firing their longtime coach, Will Brown. 5 conference titles and NCAA appearance in 20 years at the school. He would make an excellent assistant somewhere (hint, hint...).
Between 2011-12 and 2017-18, Brown's teams never won fewer than 19 games, going 153-83 (.648) in that time. He was the 2015 America East Coach of the Year and the same year was a finalist for the Hugh Durham Award as top mid-major coach. In addition to the five NCAA appearances, Brown led UAlbany to three other postseason appearances: the 2012 and 2016 CollegeInsider.com Tournament and 2016 College Basketball Invitational.
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Some rumblings stuff might be going on behind scenes at Wisconsin. Be interesting if anything pops off there
??? No way Alvarez is stupid enough to fire a coach with Gards success despite underperforming this year they're still a solid NCAA lock for the 5th time in 6 seasons.
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??? No way Alvarez is stupid enough to fire a coach with Gards success despite underperforming this year they're still a solid NCAA lock for the 5th time in 6 seasons.
I see no way they make a move unless something behind the scenes going on. Message board smoke if anything “There is actually some trouble brewing in Madison that i am not at liberty to go into right now.”
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??? No way Alvarez is stupid enough to fire a coach with Gards success despite underperforming this year they're still a solid NCAA lock for the 5th time in 6 seasons.
Underestimating Barry’s ego is a risky proposition. I don’t think it sat well with him Bo forced his hand.
It would be a bold move, but not one that would shock me based on how Gard was hired.
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Underestimating Barry’s ego is a risky proposition. I don’t think it sat well with him Bo forced his hand.
It would be a bold move, but not one that would shock me based on how Gard was hired.
you're telling me a guy who parks in front of a statue of himself and has his autograph on the driver side door of his car has an ego?
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There is no chance that Stevens returns to CBB for a job that isn’t even close to top 5 in its own conference.
Stevens told Nate Oats that if he would return to college, it would be at a school with a major football team. The spotlight would be on basketball from January to March. Why I think he would be more keen at ND versus IU. I do not think ND is in the same stratosphere as IU for basketball.
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Maybe, but I suspect Scott Drew will get a lot of run. Pat Forde wrote a piece at SI about that potential fit. Drew has done a wonderful job in Waco. Not sure what he wants moving forward but there is some sense in that marriage
Drew makes sense at IU, but lots of bad blood from the Crean/ Parrera stuff 10 years ago. I think Drew at Kentucky makes more sense when Cal hangs it up.
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Of course Alvarez should fire Gard.
Aren't folks here saying that Marquette should have seen every "red flag" and fired Wojo as many as 5 years ago?
Well, here's to ya, Greg Gard ...
Losing record in Year 3 - red flag.
No NCAA tournament wins in 4 years - red flag.
18-point NCAAT loss (as 5-seed) to Oregon in 2019 - red flag.
Missed out on the Hausers -- TWICE! -- red flag.
Lost Tyler Herro to Kentucky - red flag.
Red weinies on numerous other top state recruits - red flag.
Losses to Richmond and New Mexico in last year's Legends Classic - red flag.
Blowout loss to NC State in last year's ACC-Big Ten Challenge - red flag.
Several lopsided defeats this season, his 6th as head coach - red flag.
And the biggest red flag of all: 2-3 vs Wojo - RED EFFEN FLAG!
Shouldn't Alvarez stop ignoring all those red flags? Shouldn't Gard get the ax?
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Gard to MU. Donedeal
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Of course Alvarez should fire Gard.
Aren't folks here saying that Marquette should have seen every "red flag" and fired Wojo as many as 5 years ago?
Well, here's to ya, Greg Gard ...
Losing record in Year 3 - red flag.
No NCAA tournament wins in 4 years - red flag.
18-point NCAAT loss (as 5-seed) to Oregon in 2019 - red flag.
Missed out on the Hausers -- TWICE! -- red flag.
Lost Tyler Herro to Kentucky - red flag.
Red weinies on numerous other top state recruits - red flag.
Losses to Richmond and New Mexico in last year's Legends Classic - red flag.
Blowout loss to NC State in last year's ACC-Big Ten Challenge - red flag.
Several lopsided defeats this season, his 6th as head coach - red flag.
And the biggest red flag of all: 2-3 vs Wojo - RED EFFEN FLAG!
Shouldn't Alvarez stop ignoring all those red flags? Shouldn't Gard get the ax?
In Gard’s defense, the Badgers didn’t win a national title during the Carter administration to sell his program
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Badgers have a massive rebuild coming. Not sure they will have the pieces for next year to compete if all the seniors leave, which I think they will as they seem to be regressing.
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Here is The Athletic's lead on the Archie Miller situation ...
By now, the five national championship banners that hang in Assembly Hall are gathering dust, a lot of it. They almost seem to be mocking the modern-day Hoosiers, as if to say, “See what you used to be? You used to be a blue blood, a powerhouse, a program that routinely competed for national championships. And now look at you, all haggard and lowly, guaranteed your fourth sub-.500 conference season in five years.”
Nearly four full years into head coach Archie Miller’s spectacularly ordinary tenure, the Hoosiers, whose name used to mean something in college basketball, seem a million miles and a lot of years away from being any kind of contender again — either in the Big Ten or nationally. Except for the early Tom Crean years, when the former coach was forced to play anybody who had a pulse and a pair of sneakers, IU (12-12, 7-10) has never been so utterly irrelevant or felt further away from glory than it does now.
The natives are understandably restless, their anger rapidly turning to apathy, and the question must be asked and addressed:
Does Scott Dolson, the new IU athletic director, pull the plug on Miller?
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Do folks think Archie's record at IU makes the job Crean di there look better in retrospect? Or do you see the two as pretty unrelated/not comparable?
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I'm sure IU is ready to return to the Kelvin Sampson days. Then they can hire Wojo to clean it up and return to the Tom Crean days. Full circle!
LOL
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Crean had to rebuild a program that was in shambles in so many ways. Not enough players, academic issues, Davis and Sampson generating a lot of bad press. He accomplished that, but he could never get over the hump the way Hoosier nation demanded.
Miller was not the first choice. He has been a meh coach. The problem for IU is the same as for MU. There aren't that many great coaches out there. And times have changed.
Bobby Knight would probably struggle today, just like Al. Wouldn't have the state of Indiana locked down like Al wouldn't get the cracked sidewalks kids.
Crean's record is his record. Adequate, not great.
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Crean had to rebuild a program that was in shambles in so many ways. Not enough players, academic issues, Davis and Sampson generating a lot of bad press. He accomplished that, but he could never get over the hump the way Hoosier nation demanded.
Miller was not the first choice. He has been a meh coach. The problem for IU is the same as for MU. There aren't that many great coaches out there. And times have changed.
Bobby Knight would probably struggle today, just like Al. Wouldn't have the state of Indiana locked down like Al wouldn't get the cracked sidewalks kids.
Crean's record is his record. Adequate, not great.
Lately, I often think of Jaden Ivey when I think of hoops in the state of Indiana.
His mom was the top assistant (now Head Coach) for the successful Notre Dame Women's team. Jaden was an up and coming high school two guard without offers. He attends Purdue's camp, and Matt Painter offers him on the spot after camp, his first big offer. He accepts the offer.
Quietly Jaden is averaging just under 10 points and 4 rebounds a game, as Freshman, for a top 25 team.
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Crean had to rebuild a program that was in shambles in so many ways. Not enough players, academic issues, Davis and Sampson generating a lot of bad press. He accomplished that, but he could never get over the hump the way Hoosier nation demanded.
Miller was not the first choice. He has been a meh coach. The problem for IU is the same as for MU. There aren't that many great coaches out there. And times have changed.
Bobby Knight would probably struggle today, just like Al. Wouldn't have the state of Indiana locked down like Al wouldn't get the cracked sidewalks kids.
Crean's record is his record. Adequate, not great.
It depends upon how one defines "struggle," but there's no question Knight would struggle today compared to his own lofty standards.
His last 6 seasons at Indiana, he won 2 NCAAT games. And in his 6 full seasons at Texas Tech, he won 3.
So one of the most accomplished coaches in college basketball history won a grand total of 5 NCAA tournament games - getting to the second weekend once - in his last 12+ seasons.
There are too many outstanding coaches who don't choke and shove and scream relentlessly at athletes. Why would the today's best players willingly play for a bully and ogre?
I'm biased, but I like to think Al would have adjusted to the times pretty well. At his core, he was a "player's coach" before that term existed.
Bobby? He was a dinosaur right till the end, when he handed his dreadfully unqualified son a sh!tty program midway through the season because he knew it was the only way Pat could ever get a P6 job.
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Crean had to rebuild a program that was in shambles in so many ways. Not enough players, academic issues, Davis and Sampson generating a lot of bad press. He accomplished that, but he could never get over the hump the way Hoosier nation demanded.
Had his shot in 2013 with Oladipo and Zeller and was undone by the zone. Always struggled with it at MU too.
That said, I think MU would have beaten that Indiana team.
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He did struggle again at the zone. My wife is a Hoosier. It would tick her off when I would call out what Crean was about to do. And when they played Syracuse and I explained in advance why they were going to get beat, and then it played out basically like I predicted...well, naturally she blamed me. Silent treatment. Mixed blessing.
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That said, I think MU would have beaten that Indiana team.
Me too. My wife and I were there in DC for that regional, and we very much wanted to see Buzz's gang get a shot at Crean.
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May be for the best that we didn't get to play Indiana. I don't think this board could have handled it either way.
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May be for the best that we didn't get to play Indiana. I don't think this board could have handled it either way.
If we'd lost that game against IU this board would have exploded in anger. Still with it would've happened.
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It depends upon how one defines "struggle," but there's no question Knight would struggle today compared to his own lofty standards.
His last 6 seasons at Indiana, he won 2 NCAAT games. And in his 6 full seasons at Texas Tech, he won 3.
So one of the most accomplished coaches in college basketball history won a grand total of 5 NCAA tournament games - getting to the second weekend once - in his last 12+ seasons.
There are too many outstanding coaches who don't choke and shove and scream relentlessly at athletes. Why would the today's best players willingly play for a bully and ogre?
I'm biased, but I like to think Al would have adjusted to the times pretty well. At his core, he was a "player's coach" before that term existed.
Bobby? He was a dinosaur right till the end, when he handed his dreadfully unqualified son a sh!tty program midway through the season because he knew it was the only way Pat could ever get a P6 job.
...if I had been any good as a HS player and Coach Knight called...when he was at IU, that is, i’d sign. Absolutely. No question. Most of the guys that played for him, from those teams in the ‘70’s thru his TT days, love him.
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Other than the ones he choked, threw things at, and ran off before it was fashionable.
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Stevens told Nate Oats that if he would return to college, it would be at a school with a major football team. The spotlight would be on basketball from January to March. Why I think he would be more keen at ND versus IU. I do not think ND is in the same stratosphere as IU for basketball.
I don’t think Stevens goes to IU. But I just don’t see ND. Outside of it being Indiana, it’s the 3rd best BB job in the state and well down the pecking order in its conference. Florida or Texas I could see. Not ND
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...if I had been any good as a HS player and Coach Knight called...when he was at IU, that is, i’d sign. Absolutely. No question. Most of the guys that played for him, from those teams in the ‘70’s thru his TT days, love him.
He didn't stop winning big at IU because he suddenly forgot how to coach. He didn't only win 5 NCAAT games in his last 12 seasons because he suddenly forgot how to coach.
He stopped having second-weekend-and-better level success because he could no longer recruit the kind of athletes he got in the 1970s and '80s. Instead, he got guys like you, who were happy to sign on with the great Bobby Knight but who maybe weren't Isiah Thomas. (No insult intended; maybe you woulda been Isiah Thomas good if not for that foot injury.)
Yes, many of his players, even in his later years, said they got a lot out of playing for him. Unfortunately for him, not that many of those guys were the elite players who helped him build his legend. Right until the end, he was a good enough coach to turn decent, hard-working players into NCAA teams. But he wasn't good enough to turn teams full of less-than-great players into Final Four squads.
Great players simply said, "I don't need to get abused to get to the Final Four and to make the NBA. I have other choices."
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He didn't stop winning big at IU because he suddenly forgot how to coach. He didn't only win 5 NCAAT games in his last 12 seasons because he suddenly forgot how to coach.
He stopped having second-weekend-and-better level success because he could no longer recruit the kind of athletes he got in the 1970s and '80s. Instead, he got guys like you, who were happy to sign on with the great Bobby Knight but who maybe weren't Isiah Thomas. (No insult intended; maybe you woulda been Isiah Thomas good if not for that foot injury.)
Yes, many of his players, even in his later years, said they got a lot out of playing for him. Unfortunately for him, not that many of those guys were the elite players who helped him build his legend. Right until the end, he was a good enough coach to turn decent, hard-working players into NCAA teams. But he wasn't good enough to turn teams full of less-than-great players into Final Four squads.
Great players simply said, "I don't need to get abused to get to the Final Four and to make the NBA. I have other choices."
I think Knight would have had the same problems even if he wasn’t prone to aggressiveness and bullying. His decline also coincided with the rise of AAU ball and player centric development. And it’s not a “these damn youths” it’s just how the game moved.
Look at many of the great IU players under Knight. Classic Indiana HS style coaches kids like Alford or Indiana kids who were gonna lean towards staying in state. Of the top 15 scorers in IU history, I think 2 are from out of state. Tough coaching, discipline, etc... were just ingrained. Trying to sell that style of basketball, even with a gentler style of coaching, is tougher when guys aren’t planning on sticking around 4 years and haven’t planned to since they were 14. Just changing of the times
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I see no way they make a move unless something behind the scenes going on. Message board smoke if anything “There is actually some trouble brewing in Madison that i am not at liberty to go into right now.”
Curious where you’ve seen or heard this
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I'm biased, but I like to think Al would have adjusted to the times pretty well. At his core, he was a "player's coach" before that term existed.
IDK, Mike. Al cared about his players (so did Knight) but he (like Knight) demanded discipline and playing “his way”. I don’t know that he put his hands around any player’s neck, but he was involved in two all out fist fights with players that I know about - and likely more that stayed “in house”. How coaches coached (and how players expected to be coached) was very different then. Al was only 47 and on top of the coaching world when he got out. Hard to “change” under those circumstances and maybe Al was self aware enough to know that. I absolutely revered the guy but if he would have coached for 23 more years instead of going the broadcasting route he wouldn’t be the universally loved figure that he is today. But we would have had multiple National Championships.
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IDK, Mike. Al cared about his players (so did Knight) but he (like Knight) demanded discipline and playing “his way”. I don’t know that he put his hands around any player’s neck, but he was involved in two all out fist fights with players that I know about - and likely more that stayed “in house”. How coaches coached (and how players expected to be coached) was very different then. Al was only 47 and on top of the coaching world when he got out. Hard to “change” under those circumstances and maybe Al was self aware enough to know that. I absolutely revered the guy but if he would have coached for 23 more years instead of going the broadcasting route he wouldn’t be the universally loved figure that he is today. But we would have had multiple National Championships.
I’m certainly not going to argue about something that can never be proven, and you are more of an Al expert than I am. So I’ll just say, “OK.”
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I think Knight would have had the same problems even if he wasn’t prone to aggressiveness and bullying. His decline also coincided with the rise of AAU ball and player centric development. And it’s not a “these damn youths” it’s just how the game moved.
Look at many of the great IU players under Knight. Classic Indiana HS style coaches kids like Alford or Indiana kids who were gonna lean towards staying in state. Of the top 15 scorers in IU history, I think 2 are from out of state. Tough coaching, discipline, etc... were just ingrained. Trying to sell that style of basketball, even with a gentler style of coaching, is tougher when guys aren’t planning on sticking around 4 years and haven’t planned to since they were 14. Just changing of the times
Though we don’t agree on everything here, Wags, this is a reasonable argument.
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Curious where you’ve seen or heard this
Minnesota board - guy is supposedly plugged into both programs. who knows though
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Minnesota board - guy is supposedly plugged into both programs. who knows though
Can you send me a link via email? Thanks
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Can you send me a link via email? Thanks
Email? Google found the quote for me: https://www.forums.gopherhole.com/boards/threads/who-is-your-home-run-hire.100480/page-7#post-2163626
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There is no chance that Stevens returns to CBB for a job that isn’t even close to top 5 in its own conference.
He would make it top five in a hurry. Wherever he goes would get top level recruits and one of the best head coaches on the planet.
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Yes, he would. But even starting with the assumption Brad would rather coach in college than the NBA, MU doesn't win a bidding war for his services.
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Email? Google found the quote for me: https://www.forums.gopherhole.com/boards/threads/who-is-your-home-run-hire.100480/page-7#post-2163626
Thanks, Rocky. I must be Google illiterate. I tried searching yesterday
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Thanks, Rocky. I must be Google illiterate. I tried searching yesterday
sorry, all, but Wojo is not on the list for Penn State. Damon Stoudamire interviewing today. They are also interviewing Dennis Gates and James Jones (Yale). In light of the reasons for Chambers' firing, they are going for a minority coach.
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sorry, all, but Wojo is not on the list for Penn State. Damon Stoudamire interviewing today. They are also interviewing Dennis Gates and James Jones (Yale). In light of the reasons for Chambers' firing, they are going for a minority coach.
Wojo is among the minority of people who were Duke players for 4 years in the 1990s and still somehow managed to avoid even making it to the Final Four once.
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Wojo is among the minority of people who were Duke players for 4 years in the 1990s and still somehow managed to avoid even making it to the Final Four once.
I’d love to know how bad the 93-94’ HS class was. Wojo was a McD AA yet didn’t even get 20 min a game his first 2 years on BAD Duke teams.
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I’d love to know how bad the 93-94’ HS class was. Wojo was a McD AA yet didn’t even get 20 min a game his first 2 years on BAD Duke teams.
They did it to preserve the floor at Cameron. Couldn't take all that slappin'!
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I’d love to know how bad the 93-94’ HS class was. Wojo was a McD AA yet didn’t even get 20 min a game his first 2 years on BAD Duke teams.
Eeesh.... It really wasn't all that good. I'm not sure there is a single NBA All Star on that entire roster.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_McDonald%27s_All-American_Boys_Game
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K told Wojo he wasn't good enough and would never start at Duke.
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Eeesh.... It really wasn't all that good. I'm not sure there is a single NBA All Star on that entire roster.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_McDonald%27s_All-American_Boys_Game
At least one. Antonie Walker
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Yep, realized that mistake as soon as I hit reply.
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Woj hasn't seen 170 lbs. in many moons, hey?
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/insider/story/_/id/30989626/your-comprehensive-guide-2021-college-basketball-coaching-hot-seat
Borzello lays it all out here. Wojo is not a candidate anywhere and Marquette is not moving on.
Marquette: Had the pandemic not canceled the NCAA tournament, Marquette would have been entering this season with three appearances in the last four years. Granted, this season went off the rails following wins over Wisconsin and Creighton, but Steve Wojciechowski is signed through 2024, has two ESPN 100 recruits entering the program and I'm told the administration likes him.
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/insider/story/_/id/30989626/your-comprehensive-guide-2021-college-basketball-coaching-hot-seat
Borzello lays it all out here. Wojo is not a candidate anywhere and Marquette is not moving on.
Marquette: Had the pandemic not canceled the NCAA tournament, Marquette would have been entering this season with three appearances in the last four years. Granted, this season went off the rails following wins over Wisconsin and Creighton, but Steve Wojciechowski is signed through 2024, has two ESPN 100 recruits entering the program and I'm told the administration likes him.
Arby’s
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/insider/story/_/id/30989626/your-comprehensive-guide-2021-college-basketball-coaching-hot-seat
Borzello lays it all out here. Wojo is not a candidate anywhere and Marquette is not moving on.
Marquette: Had the pandemic not canceled the NCAA tournament, Marquette would have been entering this season with three appearances in the last four years. Granted, this season went off the rails following wins over Wisconsin and Creighton, but Steve Wojciechowski is signed through 2024, has two ESPN 100 recruits entering the program and I'm told the administration likes him.
Dear God
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Continue your prayer...
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Continue your prayer...
Deliver us from evil
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Should be praying someone hires him away. Your best hope.
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/insider/story/_/id/30989626/your-comprehensive-guide-2021-college-basketball-coaching-hot-seat
Borzello lays it all out here. Wojo is not a candidate anywhere and Marquette is not moving on.
Marquette: Had the pandemic not canceled the NCAA tournament, Marquette would have been entering this season with three appearances in the last four years. Granted, this season went off the rails following wins over Wisconsin and Creighton, but Steve Wojciechowski is signed through 2024, has two ESPN 100 recruits entering the program and I'm told the administration likes him.
*pain*
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/insider/story/_/id/30989626/your-comprehensive-guide-2021-college-basketball-coaching-hot-seat
Borzello lays it all out here. Wojo is not a candidate anywhere and Marquette is not moving on.
Marquette: Had the pandemic not canceled the NCAA tournament, Marquette would have been entering this season with three appearances in the last four years. Granted, this season went off the rails following wins over Wisconsin and Creighton, but Steve Wojciechowski is signed through 2024, has two ESPN 100 recruits entering the program and I'm told the administration likes him.
I guess it depends on his source. If it’s someone in the athletic department, I’m sure they aren’t going to tell him they can print that they want to fire him but don’t have the money.
Hopefully it’s just speculation that he wouldn’t put his name in for other jobs. I’m not sure how serious he was about VTech a few years ago. I’m still crossing my fingers for BC. Fresh start and back in the ACC.
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I wouldn't put too much stock into this.
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I don't know why people are surprised. People have said he isn't going to be fired this year.
This has nothing to do with the UNC win or any other recent...uh....success. This decision was made weeks ago, and unless something substantially changed (ie, those with actual influence decided to exert it), Wojo will be our coach next year.
And it might be ugly.
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I was expecting the administration to tell Borzello they want to fire him and hate him to placate the idiot brigade of fans that don’t understand how these things work
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I don't know why people are surprised. People have said he isn't going to be fired this year.
This has nothing to do with the UNC win or any other recent...uh....success. This decision was made weeks ago, and unless something substantially changed (ie, those with actual influence decided to exert it), Wojo will be our coach next year.
And it might be ugly.
Sure - we’ve resigned to that. But he’s “been told that the administration is happy with Wojo”. That’s contradictory with those that are telling us he won’t be back in 2022 unless he “wins bigly”. You’d think an administration one year out from firing a guy barring “winning bigly” would not be described as “happy with him”.
Alas, here we are. The admin is happy with him. I believe that 100%. They are incompetent rubes and the on-court results of the basketball team are priority zed in their master plan.
It’s gone great so far! Declining enrollment, mass layoffs, national irrelevance - keep it up Lovell! Soon they’ll have us on the level of a Ball State...
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I don't know why people are surprised. People have said he isn't going to be fired this year.
This has nothing to do with the UNC win or any other recent...uh....success. This decision was made weeks ago, and unless something substantially changed (ie, those with actual influence decided to exert it), Wojo will be our coach next year.
And it might be ugly.
And that should worry MU, not to mention Wojo.
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Yeah, Fiserv is not gonna be a fun place next season.
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Sure - we’ve resigned to that. But he’s “been told that the administration is happy with Wojo”. That’s contradictory with those that are telling us he won’t be back in 2022 unless he “wins bigly”. You’d think an administration one year out from firing a guy barring “winning bigly” would not be described as “happy with him”.
Alas, here we are. The admin is happy with him. I believe that 100%. They are incompetent rubes and the on-court results of the basketball team are priority zed in their master plan.
It’s gone great so far! Declining enrollment, mass layoffs, national irrelevance - keep it up Lovell! Soon they’ll have us on the level of a Ball State...
The quote is actually "the administration likes him" not "the administration is happy with him." Two very different statements. I've only fired a handful of employees in my life. I liked most of them. I still fired them when they couldn't perform.
Wojo will get extended this offseason in exchange for a massively cut buyout. He will either win bigly or be fired. But as I said before, I have no idea what "win bigly" means to the administration. I know it at least means an NCAA tournament appearance, I hope it means more than that.
Plus, what do really expect MU to say to an ESPN reporter?
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And that should worry MU, not to mention Wojo.
As a poster said earlier, what else is the administration going to say when an espn reporter is asking their opinion to put in an open forum?
In reality, everyone is aware of the temperature of the fan base. How could they not be? Barring several big time off season player additions, this will still be a mid to lower tier BE team.
It will get ugly next season with fans in the stands and the administration absolutely knows it.
Wojo won’t float his name for other jobs until after MU’s season is done, but he’d be prudent to do so. Far more job security elsewhere.
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Sure - we’ve resigned to that. But he’s “been told that the administration is happy with Wojo”. That’s contradictory with those that are telling us he won’t be back in 2022 unless he “wins bigly”. You’d think an administration one year out from firing a guy barring “winning bigly” would not be described as “happy with him”.
Alas, here we are. The admin is happy with him. I believe that 100%. They are incompetent rubes and the on-court results of the basketball team are priority zed in their master plan.
It’s gone great so far! Declining enrollment, mass layoffs, national irrelevance - keep it up Lovell! Soon they’ll have us on the level of a Ball State...
I feel that’s a throwaway line. The administration isn’t going to throw him under the bus in a public setting. Maybe Wojo turns it around and goes out and wins the Big East and goes to the Elite 8 next year. There’s no reason to speak negatively about him until you are prepared to fire him.
I’m sure if Wojo said, “I’m taking job X” there wouldn’t really be much fight from the administration. But I’m sure they still like the guy. Also, it probably helps him get another job if the narrative isn’t Marquette can’t wait to get rid of him.
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Welp, Creighton may be looking for a new coach this offseason.
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So 5$ believes the Marquette administration has its hands around the necks of the Milwaukee media market and requires them to be nice and throw softball questions to Wojo or get bent in terms of access to the program...and then also believes that if the administration was not pleased with the results Wojo is producing they would go to Jeff Borzello and tell him that?
Figures.
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One other thing. The anticipation is that this off-season is going to be absolute chaos with transfers. I don't know what the net will be for MU, good or bad. I am comfortable saying that being without a coach for several weeks during Filenes basement wedding dress rush will probably not work out on MU's favor.
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One other thing. The anticipation is that this off-season is going to be absolute chaos with transfers. I don't know what the net will be for MU, good or bad. I am comfortable saying that being without a coach for several weeks during Filenes basement wedding dress rush will probably not work out on MU's favor.
A good AD always has a short list of candidates available in case something happens with the current head coach.
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A good AD always has a short list of candidates available in case something happens with the current head coach.
While that most certainly is the case, it will still take a few weeks to do the due diligence that needs to be done.
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I was expecting the administration to tell Borzello they want to fire him and hate him to placate the idiot brigade of fans that don’t understand how these things work
Ha! Spit out my drink.
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One other thing. The anticipation is that this off-season is going to be absolute chaos with transfers. I don't know what the net will be for MU, good or bad. I am comfortable saying that being without a coach for several weeks during Filenes basement wedding dress rush will probably not work out on MU's favor.
I’m willing to take that risk. The chaos may allow the new coach to hit the ground running compared to a less chaotic year next year.
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But is the administration? Ultimately, the only answer that matters.
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I’m willing to take that risk. The chaos may allow the new coach to hit the ground running compared to a less chaotic year next year.
Agreed. If anything, the relaxed transfer rules this offseason could allow for a new coach to bring in a bunch of new players and really hit the ground running.
We need to just burn the Wojo program to the ground and salt the earth.
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Yeah, Fiserv is not gonna be a fun place next season.
Unless somehow he wins. Hard to boo too loudly after we beat Wisconsin and ND (definitely possible) in the same noncon season and go into conference season on a roll. TBD.
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We've gone into the conference season "on a roll" the last three years. Then....
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We've gone into the conference season "on a roll" the last three years. Then....
Bingo. Fans (rightfully) don't trust him.
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We might be stuck with Wojo next year. But, whomever our coach is next year, I don't see us as a tournament team next year unless several impact transfers are going our way. Considering our last few (Perez, Chartouny, Rowsey, Johnson), I don't have any confidence in that occurring. Carton, if he stays, Garcia and Lewis are just three players. No one else on the roster has displayed any showings that they can consistently be Big East-level skill players.
Next year, like this year, will be rough. I don't think there's anything anyone can really do about it.
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We've gone into the conference season "on a roll" the last three years. Then....
True, but I’m just saying that he will be able to build some good will early on and that could help. If the roster construction is somehow better next year and the team is objectively good it will be hard to boo.
Offering another possibility (no matter how small) that it’s not a forgone conclusion.
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Bingo. Fans (rightfully) don't trust him.
If I remember right, there was a smattering of boos at the start of the Villanova game last year. That was the second conference game after we got blown out by Creighton but had a decent Non-Conference.
I think at this point Wojo has lost the students and general fan base until he has some real tournament success. Plus, I’m sure there’s a lot of pent up booing from not having fans this past year.
As a fan, I’m leaning towards not buying season tickets next year. It’s my small protest if Wojo’s the coach and this past year priorities have shifted. Plus, the product is not that enjoyable. I’m sure I’m not alone.
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If I remember right, there was a smattering of boos at the start of the Villanova game last year. That was the second conference game after we got blown out by Creighton but had a decent Non-Conference.
I think at this point Wojo has lost the students and general fan base until he has some real tournament success. Plus, I’m sure there’s a lot of pent up booing from not having fans this past year.
As a fan, I’m leaning towards not buying season tickets next year. It’s my small protest if Wojo’s the coach and this past year priorities have shifted. Plus, the product is not that enjoyable. I’m sure I’m not alone.
Not that you were asking for anybody's respect, cheebs, but I respect that stance. As fans, we have very little power. The little bit we have:
1. Booing.
2. The power of the pocketbook.
I happen to think 2 will send a much better message, especially if Wojo is smart and simply doesn't have his name announced before games.
If Wojo returns, and if serious fans really want to express their displeasure about it, the single best way to express it is to not renew season tickets. If the season-ticket base goes from whatever it has been to half of that or less, it will get the administration's attention. Even better if those who don't renew can explain their reason: "Dissatisfaction with the direction of the program under this coaching staff."
It sucks that it has come to that ... but it has.
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especially if Wojo is smart and simply doesn't have his name announced before games.
This was kind of already happening towards the end of last year. The PA guy would say, “AndtheheadcoachforMarquetteinhisseventhseasonSTEVEWOJOchgnb and let’s hear it for the best sixth man in the country, the Marquette student section!”
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This was kind of already happening towards the end of last year. The PA guy would say, “AndtheheadcoachforMarquetteinhisseventhseasonSTEVEWOJOchgnb and let’s hear it for the best sixth man in the country, the Marquette student section!”
Wojo should embrace the booing as a challenge, win a lot of games and flip off the crowd after he leaves for another job. Win-win for everyone.
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This was kind of already happening towards the end of last year. The PA guy would say, “AndtheheadcoachforMarquetteinhisseventhseasonSTEVEWOJOchgnb and let’s hear it for the best sixth man in the country, the Marquette student section!”
There is absolutely no requirement that the coaches be introduced. It would be silly to introduce Wojo. Beyond the personal attack on him, it's not the greatest way to send your team out to play. You want there to be a positive vibe at the opening tip.
I'm just talking about a practical matter here.
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There is absolutely no requirement that the coaches be introduced. It would be silly to introduce Wojo. Beyond the personal attack on him, it's not the greatest way to send your team out to play. You want there to be a positive vibe at the opening tip.
I'm just talking about a practical matter here.
No disagreements here. If they choose not to introduce him, however, we’ll all know the reason for it.
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No disagreements here. If they choose not to introduce him, however, we’ll all know the reason for it.
Yes.
And it won't matter that we - and for that matter every Marquette fan in the world - will know the reason.
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I guess it depends on his source. If it’s someone in the athletic department, I’m sure they aren’t going to tell him they can print that they want to fire him but don’t have the money.
Hopefully it’s just speculation that he wouldn’t put his name in for other jobs. I’m not sure how serious he was about VTech a few years ago. I’m still crossing my fingers for BC. Fresh start and back in the ACC.
What? Hope he goes to BC with a fresh start and back in the ACC so MU can start a head coach search? Sounds ass backwards to me. MU should announce a new head coach as they give Wojo his walking papers and a letter of reference he could present to the BC AD. That is what I would do.
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What? Hope he goes to BC with a fresh start and back in the ACC so MU can start a head coach search? Sounds ass backwards to me. MU should announce a new head coach as they give Wojo his walking papers and a letter of reference he could present to the BC AD. That is what I would do.
Wojo is such a good guy that the University is obligated to inconvenience itself to ensure he lands an equivalent or better job elsewhere, regardless of how much that puts us behind the 8-ball in a head coaching search.
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What? Hope he goes to BC with a fresh start and back in the ACC so MU can start a head coach search? Sounds ass backwards to me. MU should announce a new head coach as they give Wojo his walking papers and a letter of reference he could present to the BC AD. That is what I would do.
If you give him his walking papers, you pay a buy out.
If he leaves on his own, you do not.
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Wojo is such a good guy that the University is obligated to inconvenience itself to ensure he lands an equivalent or better job elsewhere, regardless of how much that puts us behind the 8-ball in a head coaching search.
You imagine a lot of interesting stuff.
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You imagine a lot of interesting stuff.
I’ve never seen such coddling of an awful head coach.
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I’ve never seen such coddling of an awful head coach.
No, you simply don’t understand how things work
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No, you simply don’t understand how things work
Yup, money talks.
I’m sure Marquette would take a 10 million dollar donation though if the stipulation was 3 of it went to Wojo’s buyout.
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Coddling?
Wow, 5Cent, do you really not understand that Wojo leaving on his own would save MU a fortune?
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Yup, money talks.
I’m sure Marquette would take a 10 million dollar donation though if the stipulation was 3 of it went to Wojo’s buyout.
Really? Hell, they wouldn't even take a 2 million dollar donation to keep the name Warriors.
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OT - but I am glad MU raised over $3.5 million on Give Marquette Day yesterday. Even during these unique and trying times (professionally, socially, financially, economically, etc.), it is amazing to be part of an awesome community like Marquette that still feel empowered to donate to a school they love. I by no means can donate the hundreds of thousands or millions that some can, but I do give what and when I can.
I know MU have challenges ahead - educationally, institutionally and, especially, athletically - but I am confident better days are ahead.
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not a coach, but our old friend Larry Williams is walking away from Akron. He'll probably start a coaching search firm or something like that.
https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/sports/college/zips/2021/03/03/akron-director-athletics-larry-williams-not-seeking-new-contract/6901416002/
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Really? Hell, they wouldn't even take a 2 million dollar donation to keep the name Warriors.
Sew y on Earth would we expect a rational, common sense approach in evaluating the head coach and/or selecting his successor, hey?
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Sweat stained hat and all, hey?
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not a coach, but our old friend Larry Williams is walking away from Akron. He'll probably start a coaching search firm or something like that.
https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/sports/college/zips/2021/03/03/akron-director-athletics-larry-williams-not-seeking-new-contract/6901416002/
Sounds like he’s still incompetent to be the AD of a D1 university. If you need a lacrosse program started though, he’s for sure your guy.
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Sounds like he’s still incompetent to be the AD of a D1 university. If you need a lacrosse program started though, he’s for sure your guy.
I wouldn't say that. He's actually done well considering it's Akron. 20 conference titles. He also didn't start Lax, it was Cottingham. Larry got the programs funded.
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https://sports.yahoo.com/coaching-carousel-sean-miller-arizona-patrick-ewing-191946911.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/coaching-carousel-sean-miller-arizona-patrick-ewing-191946911.html)
Marquette/Wojo not referenced on Pete Thamel's hot seat rankings. DePaul and Georgetown both are, however.
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https://sports.yahoo.com/coaching-carousel-sean-miller-arizona-patrick-ewing-191946911.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/coaching-carousel-sean-miller-arizona-patrick-ewing-191946911.html)
Marquette/Wojo not referenced on Pete Thamel's hot seat rankings. DePaul and Georgetown both are, however.
With a new AD and continued residency in the Big East cellar, Dave Leito’s life expectancy can be measured in nanoseconds.
Ewing probably has one more year given he is a Georgetown legend.
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With a new AD and continued residency in the Big East cellar, Dave Leito’s life expectancy can be measured in nanoseconds.
Ewing probably has one more year given he is a Georgetown legend.
Agree. Leito is a dead man walking. I doubt that Ewing would be fired so soon after Big John's death.
Mc Dermott may be a goner. In the current socio-political atmosphere, mistakes like his are usually fatal.
Shortly before the thread about Wojo's alleged 2022-2023 extension died, I compared the situation to St. John's AD stating emphatically that Mullin had his full support. Three days later Mullin "resigned." I believe that Wojo will be back but disagree that it is a sure thing. I'm still hoping that Wojo is shopping. I simply do not get this "Wojo will absolutely not be fired" idea. Probably not, if for no other reason than the cost, but still a remote possibility, especially if a (very) deep pockets alumnus or 2 covers the payout.
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With a new AD and continued residency in the Big East cellar, Dave Leito’s life expectancy can be measured in nanoseconds.
Ewing probably has one more year given he is a Georgetown legend.
Leitao is done. I think Ewing is a good coach. His teams win games they shouldn’t. He needs a talent infusion. Reading that article is an indictment on his recruiting prior to this season. Next years class looks good on paper.
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I think Ewing will be retained. They've actually posted some good results after a tough start and have a marquee recruit coming in. He'll get another year or two to right the ship.
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I think Ewing will be retained. They've actually posted some good results after a tough start and have a marquee recruit coming in. He'll get another year or two to right the ship.
Agreed.
Surprised he'd be on the list to leave. Hoyas have been much better in the results category then they should be and Ewing has stabilized a bit on the recruiting trail.
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Agreed.
Surprised he'd be on the list to leave. Hoyas have been much better in the results category then they should be and Ewing has stabilized a bit on the recruiting trail.
He has had his own Hausergates. Georgetown alums have deep pockets but with their trajectory this season and the recruiting class, I agree he stays.
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Are there any laws or rules or regulations or guidelines against some MU alum saying, "If you want Wojo gone but the only thing that's preventing it is the buyout, here's $10M to cover his buyout, his assistants and a down payment on the great coach you'll hire to replace him"?
Obviously, I doubt that's gonna happen. Just didn't know if the NCAA or MU or feds or state or anybody else has rules against such a thing.
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Are there any laws or rules or regulations or guidelines against some MU alum saying, "If you want Wojo gone but the only thing that's preventing it is the buyout, here's $10M to cover his buyout, his assistants and a down payment on the great coach you'll hire to replace him"?
Obviously, I doubt that's gonna happen. Just didn't know if the NCAA or MU or feds or state or anybody else has rules against such a thing.
Pretty sure that's what happened at Wake.
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Pretty sure that's what happened at Wake.
So the answer would be no? If that's the case, put me down for a C-note!
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Hey guys, totally in for contributing to a buyout. Made a ton on the market last year.
Oh crap. XBI is down from 170s to 130s. Nevermind, back to being broke.
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It happens all of the time. But the institution can't say its happening because it put the tax deductibility of the donations at risk.
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If I knew my money was going towards Wojo’s buyout and that MU would pull the trigger on ousting him after the season, I would absolutely throw in $100.
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If I knew my money was going towards Wojo’s buyout and that MU would pull the trigger on ousting him after the season, I would absolutely throw in $100.
How about a $1 per post?
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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/looking-into-the-future-who-would-replace-mike-krzyzewski-at-duke-173548675.html
Not 2021, but going to happen sooner or later.
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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/looking-into-the-future-who-would-replace-mike-krzyzewski-at-duke-173548675.html
Not 2021, but going to happen sooner or later.
Duke would be wise to hire someone completely out of the Coach K tree. Start fresh from the get go. May be some hard feelings and lumps but few that chase the past can recapture it
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Duke would be wise to hire someone completely out of the Coach K tree. Start fresh from the get go. May be some hard feelings and lumps but few that chase the past can recapture it
Honestly, outside of UNC, the majority of the blue bloods have found their most recent successes that way.
Cal at Kentucky and Pitino before him were outside the family. Tubby was there briefly under Pitino, but the vast majority of his pre-UK career was elsewhere.
Bill Self spent a season after graduation at KU, but his formative years were at a rival. Roy wasn’t a KU guy.
Howland wasn’t a UCLA guy. Harrick, like Tubby, spent a couple seasons in Westwood, but the vast majority of his pre-UCLA career was elsewhere.
Louisville, same story.
The relative failure of everyone from K’s coaching tree should make it even easier
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Honestly, outside of UNC, the majority of the blue bloods have found their most recent successes that way.
Cal at Kentucky and Pitino before him were outside the family. Tubby was there briefly under Pitino, but the vast majority of his pre-UK career was elsewhere.
Bill Self spent a season after graduation at KU, but his formative years were at a rival. Roy wasn’t a KU guy.
Howland wasn’t a UCLA guy. Harrick, like Tubby, spent a couple seasons in Westwood, but the vast majority of his pre-UCLA career was elsewhere.
Louisville, same story.
The relative failure of everyone from K’s coaching tree should make it even easier
Is Tubby on the market?
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Honestly, outside of UNC, the majority of the blue bloods have found their most recent successes that way.
Cal at Kentucky and Pitino before him were outside the family. Tubby was there briefly under Pitino, but the vast majority of his pre-UK career was elsewhere.
Bill Self spent a season after graduation at KU, but his formative years were at a rival. Roy wasn’t a KU guy.
Howland wasn’t a UCLA guy. Harrick, like Tubby, spent a couple seasons in Westwood, but the vast majority of his pre-UCLA career was elsewhere.
Louisville, same story.
The relative failure of everyone from K’s coaching tree should make it even easier
And Roy proved himself at Kansas. There may not have been a national title but there was plenty of success.
I suppose at schools like Butler and Xavier, staying in the family works but that’s a different level of success.
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How about a $1 per post?
Sultan would go broke.
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Sultan would go broke.
(https://miro.medium.com/max/1440/0*FwyeyYWcrYlurRNs)
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Is Tubby on the market?
He's at his alma mater, High Point. So far, he's 34-53 in 3 seasons. I'm sure he'd take the call from a high major, but why anyone would call is beyond me.
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Duke would be wise to hire someone completely out of the Coach K tree. Start fresh from the get go. May be some hard feelings and lumps but few that chase the past can recapture it
Agree 100%. The Coach K tree has Dutch Elm disease anyway. Other than maybe a Mike Brey as a short term caretaker there’s nobody who should be given even a curtesy consideration.
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Agree 100%. The Coach K tree has Dutch Elm disease anyway. Other than maybe a Mike Brey as a short term caretaker there’s nobody who should be given even a curtesy consideration.
Quinn Snyder seems to be doing just fine. He did flame out at the college level but remade himself into a top 5 NBA coach IMHO....
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Quinn Snyder seems to be doing just fine. He did flame out at the college level but remade himself into a top 5 NBA coach IMHO....
Regular-season results-wise, definitely.
He kinda looks like a movie character who is always strung out on somethin' though.
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Regular-season results-wise, definitely.
He kinda looks like a movie character who is always strung out on somethin' though.
Probably because he's spent a third of his life strung out.
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Regular-season results-wise, definitely.
He kinda looks like a movie character who is always strung out on somethin' though.
that was pretty much the issue at Mizzou
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Quinn Snyder seems to be doing just fine. He did flame out at the college level but remade himself into a top 5 NBA coach IMHO....
Only Toronto and Milwaukee have had a higher winning percentage than Quin Snyder since 2019. (.575 win percentage in seven seasons at Utah) He'll be the first ever Utah coach to coach the All Star Game. Quin can coach. Ask Pop. Worked hard, paid his dues. (Snyder did fine his first four college seasons) Great basketball mind.
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Probably because he's spent a third of his life strung out.
Seriously? Wow ... I was not familiar with his life story.
Good on him getting sober.
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Seriously? Wow ... I was not familiar with his life story.
Good on him getting sober.
Cocaine and Coeds, classic problem. Nothing some NBA stints and an excursion to Moscow couldn’t solve
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Cocaine and Coeds, classic problem. Nothing some NBA stints and an excursion to Moscow couldn’t solve
Not just coeds, but a star player’s GF.
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Not just coeds, but a star player’s GF.
Quinn is an interesting case study in the Coach K tree which is a very manicured and a product of a managed system. Failure and Crisis are integral to the journey of success. Personally, I believe that Quinn is a model of failure is your best friend early in your career on your path to overcome the Fear of Failure. A Rookie mistake in Life from an old guy.
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Hurley extended. Good news
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Add me to the list of guys that would throw in a C-note to get rid of Wojo.
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Northern Illinois hires former DePaul Blue Demon Rashon Burno as its new head coach.
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Northern Illinois hires former DePaul Blue Demon Rashon Burno as its new head coach.
Seems like a pretty decent hire. Been around, under some good coaches and some good networks.
Hurley extended. Good news
I’m so baffled how he continues to be a hot name in coaching searches. He’s been so average at ASU
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Seems like a pretty decent hire. Been around, under some good coaches and some good networks.
I’m so baffled how he continues to be a hot name in coaching searches. He’s been so average at ASU
Dan not Bobby
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Cocaine and Coeds, classic problem. Nothing some NBA stints and an excursion to Moscow couldn’t solve
I'm pretty sure Snyder has a law degree too. Decent player during his day. Bright guy, had success, got derailed, Redeemed.
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Dan not Bobby
Gotcha. My point still remains. But no reason for Dan not to. Has righted the ship there and had a pretty good first BE season
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Gotcha. My point still remains. But no reason for Dan not to. Has righted the ship there and had a pretty good first BE season
He’s going to win big at UConn. He’s managed his coaching career well
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Gotcha. My point still remains. But no reason for Dan not to. Has righted the ship there and had a pretty good first BE season
Good for the conference too. Defend against BE coach poaching.
As an aside, Jaime Dixon is having a down year and he didn't do himself any favors with the UCLA attempted jump, but you'd have to wonder if he would want back in the BE if a coach or two jump to another conference?
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Hurley’s in just his third season at UCONN and has already turned them around completely. Lots of good coaches out there, and better ones than Wojo, hey?
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He’s going to win big at UConn. He’s managed his coaching career well
That's an excellent observation about managing his career. He has given himself a chance to learn at lower levels and has progressed nicely. It would have done Wojo (or any coach, really) good to do the same.
By all indications, Hurley is going to succeed at UConn, and I don't blame them one iota for giving him an extension.
But he really hasn't accomplished much yet. Eleven years as a head coach, 2 first-round NCAA tourney wins. Jury is still out IMHO.
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Hurley’s in just his third season at UCONN and has already turned them around completely. Lots of good coaches out there, and better ones than Wojo, hey?
See my previous about Hurley. I like him and think he's doing a good job.
But his third season at UConn is quite similar to Wojo's third at Marquette.
We'll see. I wouldn't proclaim him the next best coach yet, but maybe he will be.
"Better ones than Wojo" is not a very high bar.
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That's an excellent observation about managing his career. He has given himself a chance to learn at lower levels and has progressed nicely. It would have done Wojo (or any coach, really) good to do the same.
By all indications, Hurley is going to succeed at UConn, and I don't blame them one iota for giving him an extension.
But he really hasn't accomplished much yet. Eleven years as a head coach, 2 first-round NCAA tourney wins. Jury is still out IMHO.
No, he hasn’t but I like the progression. Turned Wagner around in his two years, took over a mess at Rhode Island and got them back to the tournament.
I like the way he goes about his business in building a program. He’s also been fortunate to have administrations let him do his thing. I think UConn is very fortunate to have him
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Good for the conference too. Defend against BE coach poaching.
As an aside, Jaime Dixon is having a down year and he didn't do himself any favors with the UCLA attempted jump, but you'd have to wonder if he would want back in the BE if a coach or two jump to another conference?
He hasn’t been all that good at TCU and has been trending downwards. UCLA was his chance to leap up. I think it’s more likely he continues meh and goes back to Hawaii (where he has history) and has some success other than leaping back to the BEast.
But he really hasn't accomplished much yet. Eleven years as a head coach, 2 first-round NCAA tourney wins. Jury is still out IMHO.
That’s pretty unfair and viewing him in a vacuum. He took over ehh from Mike Deane and Wagner and made them competitive quick. And I think you underestimate the difficult at URI. Baron left him a bit of a mess. They hadn’t made an NCAA, much less won a game, in almost 20 years by the time he took them there. Hadn’t won the A10 since 1981. Baron, outside of one year, never had them better than a tie for 4th. Hurley finished top 3 in the conference 3 out of 6 seasons. He’s been REALLY good in less than desirable situations
Is he a long term guy who can continue to keep them at a high level of success? TBD. But I don’t think any praise of him is unjustified. He has a track record of success as a HC at multiple levels that Wojo can’t boast
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Hurley’s in just his third season at UCONN and has already turned them around completely. Lots of good coaches out there, and better ones than Wojo, hey?
Can't be. Otherwise admin would make a change. Oh wait, they can't make that decision...because we can't afford it...or wait... because Covid...oh wait... because they have their head firmly embedded in Wojo-Dukiets ass. Take your pick
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He hasn’t been all that good at TCU and has been trending downwards. UCLA was his chance to leap up. I think it’s more likely he continues meh and goes back to Hawaii (where he has history) and has some success other than leaping back to the BEast.
That’s pretty unfair and viewing him in a vacuum. He took over ehh from Mike Deane and Wagner and made them competitive quick. And I think you underestimate the difficult at URI. Baron left him a bit of a mess. They hadn’t made an NCAA, much less won a game, in almost 20 years by the time he took them there. Hadn’t won the A10 since 1981. Baron, outside of one year, never had them better than a tie for 4th. Hurley finished top 3 in the conference 3 out of 6 seasons. He’s been REALLY good in less than desirable situations
Is he a long term guy who can continue to keep them at a high level of success? TBD. But I don’t think any praise of him is unjustified. He has a track record of success as a HC at multiple levels that Wojo can’t boast
I don’t think there is a correct recipe in hiring a coach anywhere per se, but a guy like Hurley is an example of the type of guy I think Marquette should target.
That’s why I’m intrigued by Craig Smith at Utah State. He took over middling programs and made them winners. The programs he took over weren’t in as bad of shape as the ones Hurley did for sure but he’s a builder and winner at the same time
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I don’t think there is a correct recipe in hiring a coach anywhere per se, but a guy like Hurley is an example of the type of guy I think Marquette should target.
That’s why I’m intrigued by Craig Smith at Utah State. He took over middling programs and made them winners. The programs he took over weren’t in as bad of shape as the ones Hurley did for sure but he’s a builder and winner at the same time
That sounds like as good a resume as any. And one that Wojo-Dukiet lacks.
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I don’t think there is a correct recipe in hiring a coach anywhere per se, but a guy like Hurley is an example of the type of guy I think Marquette should target.
That’s why I’m intrigued by Craig Smith at Utah State. He took over middling programs and made them winners. The programs he took over weren’t in as bad of shape as the ones Hurley did for sure but he’s a builder and winner at the same time
I wouldn’t call Utah St a middling program. That’s a historically very good MM program that just made a bad hire promoting from within when THE LEGEND STEW MORILL retired. And South Dakota was a solid program that just had some understandable growing pains making the jump to D1.
But I think Smith is a good coach. I don’t care at all for Miles and am wary of his tree, but Smith has accomplished enough on his own away from him that he’s intriguing
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I wouldn’t call Utah St a middling program. That’s a historically very good MM program that just made a bad hire promoting from within when THE LEGEND STEW MORILL retired. And South Dakota was a solid program that just had some understandable growing pains making the jump to D1.
But I think Smith is a good coach. I don’t care at all for Miles and am wary of his tree, but Smith has accomplished enough on his own away from him that he’s intriguing
Utah State has a very good history. The end of the Stew Morill era, the program stagnated as they moved into the MWC. Smith jumped in and started winning.
I like his track record and what his teams do. It’ll be interesting his trajectory
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That’s pretty unfair and viewing him in a vacuum. He took over ehh from Mike Deane and Wagner and made them competitive quick. And I think you underestimate the difficult at URI. Baron left him a bit of a mess. They hadn’t made an NCAA, much less won a game, in almost 20 years by the time he took them there. Hadn’t won the A10 since 1981. Baron, outside of one year, never had them better than a tie for 4th. Hurley finished top 3 in the conference 3 out of 6 seasons. He’s been REALLY good in less than desirable situations
Is he a long term guy who can continue to keep them at a high level of success? TBD. But I don’t think any praise of him is unjustified. He has a track record of success as a HC at multiple levels that Wojo can’t boast
We are in total agreement, Wags.
I think he's done a good job at all 3 stops. I think UConn was wise to extend him. I think he is praiseworthy. And I'd take him over Wojo in a heartbeat.
I also happen to think it's too early to say he's done more at the P6 level than Wojo did through 3 years, and definitely too early to say he's the next great coach.
Maybe he will be, though. That absolutely is a possibility, and I sure wouldn't say that about Wojo.
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Utah State has a very good history. The end of the Stew Morill era, the program stagnated as they moved into the MWC. Smith jumped in and started winning.
I like his track record and what his teams do. It’ll be interesting his trajectory
He’s one of Minnesota’s top targets. Smith, Ryan Saunders, Niko Merved. Al, have ties to The U or the state.
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He’s one of Minnesota’s top targets. Smith, Ryan Saunders, Niko Merved. Al, have ties to The U or the state.
I heard Brian Dutcher’s name get mentioned there as well
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He’s one of Minnesota’s top targets. Smith, Ryan Saunders, Niko Merved. Al, have ties to The U or the state.
All make more sense then them thinking they could lure Mussleman.
Medved makes a lot of sense as their top target. I like Saunders but that seems like a disaster. He got a raw deal with the TWolces given the mess up there, but I think he still needs more seasoning as a coach, much less no recruiting experience or track record to sell.
I think Dutcher uses Minnesota to get a nice raise at SDSU. He’s been there for 20 years, has a nice thing going, is on the wrong side of 60, seems like an inopportune time to jump to a challenging job in a brutal conference, especially if SDSU bumps him to mid $1MM range.
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I do worry that if MU waits a year, Craig Smith will be off the board. He would be my top choice.
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All make more sense then them thinking they could lure Mussleman.
Medved makes a lot of sense as their top target. I like Saunders but that seems like a disaster. He got a raw deal with the TWolces given the mess up there, but I think he still needs more seasoning as a coach, much less no recruiting experience or track record to sell.
I think Dutcher uses Minnesota to get a nice raise at SDSU. He’s been there for 20 years, has a nice thing going, is on the wrong side of 60, seems like an inopportune time to jump to a challenging job in a brutal conference, especially if SDSU bumps him to mid $1MM range.
I should have checked Dutcher’s age. I know he’s been around a long time. That’s too old for Minnesota IMO.
Medved has a good track record. Think he’d have a chance to succeed at Minnesota. First thing he’d need to do is, figure out how to keep more local kids home.
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I should have checked Dutcher’s age. I know he’s been around a long time. That’s too old for Minnesota IMO.
Medved has a good track record. Think he’d have a chance to succeed at Minnesota. First thing he’d need to do is, figure out how to keep more local kids home.
Dutcher has an out clause in his
San Diego St. Contract to coach at U Minnesota. His buyout if he goes there is reduced to $1 Million. His dad Jim coached there (won a Big Ten Title) and many of his relatives went there. He will be in the mix several others that also have ties to Minnesota, as well as some who don't. It would be difficult to leave a good situation at San Diego St.
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Dutcher has an out clause in his
San Diego St. Contract to coach at U Minnesota. His buyout if he goes there is reduced to $1 Million. His dad Jim coached there (won a Big Ten Title) and many of his relatives went there. He will be in the mix several others that also have ties to Minnesota, as well as some who don't. It would be difficult to leave a good situation at San Diego St.
Thanks for the info. If he ever had a desire to take that job, now is the time. Seems like the Gophers have a lot of real good options.
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Thanks for the info. If he ever had a desire to take that job, now is the time. Seems like the Gophers have a lot of real good options.
Sure. And, yes, they do.
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Thanks for the info. If he ever had a desire to take that job, now is the time. Seems like the Gophers have a lot of real good options.
That's a job I wonder if some will be hesitant to take. Juwan Howard, Chris Holtmann, Matt Painter, Fred Hoiberg, and Greg Gard are all 50 or younger. Brad Underwood, Steve Pikiell, and Mark Turgeon are all under 60. That's a lot of proven relatively young coaches. Guys like Archie Miller, Richard Pitino, and Chris Collins have gone from promising to hot seats. That's a really tough league for up and coming coaches.
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That's a job I wonder if some will be hesitant to take. Juwan Howard, Chris Holtmann, Matt Painter, Fred Hoiberg, and Greg Gard are all 50 or younger. Brad Underwood, Steve Pikiell, and Mark Turgeon are all under 60. That's a lot of proven relatively young coaches. Guys like Archie Miller, Richard Pitino, and Chris Collins have gone from promising to hot seats. That's a really tough league for up and coming coaches.
Going against Greg Gard and Mark Turgeon shouldn’t scare anyone.
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Minnesota alum, Ryan Saunders, is a dark horse candidate for the Gophers. He's been to a number of high school games since being fired from the Timberwolves. It's rumored that he's been connecting with college coaches for a possible move.
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All make more sense then them thinking they could lure Mussleman.
Medved makes a lot of sense as their top target. I like Saunders but that seems like a disaster. He got a raw deal with the TWolces given the mess up there, but I think he still needs more seasoning as a coach, much less no recruiting experience or track record to sell.
I think Dutcher uses Minnesota to get a nice raise at SDSU. He’s been there for 20 years, has a nice thing going, is on the wrong side of 60, seems like an inopportune time to jump to a challenging job in a brutal conference, especially if SDSU bumps him to mid $1MM range.
Dutcher just got one, but he does have a lower buyout for Minny. In talking to my buddy who broke the Pitino news, Dutcher’s age is an issue. Also, he’s comfortable in SD, he’s got his own Ed Martin out there, and zero pressure.
Minnesota alum, Ryan Saunders, is a dark horse candidate for the Gophers. He's been to a number of high school games since being fired from the Timberwolves. It's rumored that he's been connecting with college coaches for a possible move.
The older alumni are pushing for him because of the Flip connection. The kid was hired with the Wolves for the same reason.
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Utah State has a very good history. The end of the Stew Morill era, the program stagnated as they moved into the MWC. Smith jumped in and started winning.
I like his track record and what his teams do. It’ll be interesting his trajectory
Shouldn't you have used the legendary Stu Morrill description here?
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Going against Greg Gard and Mark Turgeon shouldn’t scare anyone.
In 6 years, Gard has been to 4 tournaments (5 if not for COVID) & had 4 top-25 kenpom finishes. His league finishes have been T3, T2, 9, 4, T1, T6. He's not Bo, but he's been consistently good & can be there another 15-20 years.
Turgeon has been top-50 in kenpom 8 years running with tourney caliber teams 6 of the last 7 years and won 12+ league games 5/7 years.
It's easy to crap on other programs, but anyone here would kill for the results those two guys have had in that timespan. They're consistently running their programs at a top-25 level, and neither are probably in the top-5 coaches in the league. That's pretty daunting.
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In 6 years, Gard has been to 4 tournaments (5 if not for COVID) & had 4 top-25 kenpom finishes. His league finishes have been T3, T2, 9, 4, T1, T6. He's not Bo, but he's been consistently good & can be there another 15-20 years.
Turgeon has been top-50 in kenpom 8 years running with tourney caliber teams 6 of the last 7 years and won 12+ league games 5/7 years.
It's easy to crap on other programs, but anyone here would kill for the results those two guys have had in that timespan. They're consistently running their programs at a top-25 level, and neither are probably in the top-5 coaches in the league. That's pretty daunting.
Maybe so, but it’s not impossible to overcome, even at Minnesota. They’ve been producing buckets of talent that haven’t been staying home. Put a dent into that Madison pipeline a bit and things can even out. Illinois has been a
middling program since Self left after 2003. Underwood came in and righted that ship quick.
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In 6 years, Gard has been to 4 tournaments (5 if not for COVID) & had 4 top-25 kenpom finishes. His league finishes have been T3, T2, 9, 4, T1, T6. He's not Bo, but he's been consistently good & can be there another 15-20 years.
Turgeon has been top-50 in kenpom 8 years running with tourney caliber teams 6 of the last 7 years and won 12+ league games 5/7 years.
It's easy to crap on other programs, but anyone here would kill for the results those two guys have had in that timespan. They're consistently running their programs at a top-25 level, and neither are probably in the top-5 coaches in the league. That's pretty daunting.
We’ll see now that Gard is fully on his own, no recruits or remnants left from Bo. They literally start 3 RS seniors and another senior who is almost 23. I don’t know if anyone is staying, but if not, they better hope Davis makes a historic leap. Outside him, they return less than 10 points in their next 4 highest scorers.
I’m not convinced Gard has that guaranteed “someone always steps up”. And their recruiting is...fine. I don’t see anyone that’s gonna come in and be a difference maker right away. Next year I think they are gonna STRUGGLE.
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Maybe so, but it’s not impossible to overcome, even at Minnesota. They’ve been producing buckets of talent that haven’t been staying home. Put a dent into that Madison pipeline a bit and things can even out. Illinois has been a
middling program since Self left after 2003. Underwood came in and righted that ship quick.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you mean when Self's guys left. 37-2 with two 26-7 years sandwiched around it seems above middling to me.
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you mean when Self's guys left. 37-2 with two 26-7 years sandwiched around it seems above middling to me.
Yes, that would be correct. Weber had 3 good years post-Self but that was still a Self team of players. It went downhill quickly
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We’ll see now that Gard is fully on his own, no recruits or remnants left from Bo. They literally start 3 RS seniors and another senior who is almost 23. I don’t know if anyone is staying, but if not, they better hope Davis makes a historic leap. Outside him, they return less than 10 points in their next 4 highest scorers.
I’m not convinced Gard has that guaranteed “someone always steps up”. And their recruiting is...fine. I don’t see anyone that’s gonna come in and be a difference maker right away. Next year I think they are gonna STRUGGLE.
Bo Ryan made it past the Sweet 16 three times in his fourteen years as a head coach. In every case, he had highly rated high school talent / NBA first round picks / Big Ten POY on his roster. Yes what he did with Kaminsky was impressive, but by and large his success was with guys who were considered very good even before they stepped foot on campus.
Gard's recruiting has not been great. Right now they have four guys, none of them in the top 100. (And none from Wisconsin.) Will a couple of them punch above their weight? Undoubtedly. But I doubt this Gard is running a consistent second weekend program.
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Bo Ryan made it past the Sweet 16 three times in his fourteen years as a head coach. In every case, he had highly rated high school talent / NBA first round picks / Big Ten POY on his roster. Yes what he did with Kaminsky was impressive, but by and large his success was with guys who were considered very good even before they stepped foot on campus.
Gard's recruiting has not been great. Right now they have four guys, none of them in the top 100. (And none from Wisconsin.) Will a couple of them punch above their weight? Undoubtedly. But I doubt this Gard is running a consistent second weekend program.
Kaminsky was an unicorn.
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Kaminsky was an unicorn.
When I saw this, I thought "an unicorn" looked right but sounded funny. So I used the googles and discovered that the correct article is "a" not "an" when the following word starts with a "consonant sound."
http://crosstalk.cell.com/blog/a-grammatical-note-about-umbrellas-and-unicorns
So ... "a unicorn."
And yes, Kaminsky was.
Also a mediocre (at best) pro.
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When I saw this, I thought "an unicorn" looked right but sounded funny. So I used the googles and discovered that the correct article is "a" not "an" when the following word starts with a "consonant sound."
http://crosstalk.cell.com/blog/a-grammatical-note-about-umbrellas-and-unicorns
So ... "a unicorn."
And yes, Kaminsky was.
Also a mediocre (at best) pro.
I was going to look up the correct usage there but flipped a coin, lol
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Mark Turgeon's seat went to flamin' hot after back-to-back losses to Northwestern and Penn State (swept by PSU this year). Unless they have a deep run in the B1GT, they are likely out of the NCAAT.
I always thought Maryland would have been a nice elevation for Wojo, if the time was right. If Maryland did open now, I don't think Wojo would be in their top-5 IMO.
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Mark Turgeon's seat went to flamin' hot after back-to-back losses to Northwestern and Penn State (swept by PSU this year). Unless they have a deep run in the B1GT, they are likely out of the NCAAT.
I always thought Maryland would have been a nice elevation for Wojo, if the time was right. If Maryland did open now, I don't think Wojo would be in their top-5 IMO.
Maryland is still comfortably in the NCAA Tourney right now.
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Dwayne Killings finalist for Albany job per Goodman
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We’ll see now that Gard is fully on his own, no recruits or remnants left from Bo. They literally start 3 RS seniors and another senior who is almost 23. I don’t know if anyone is staying, but if not, they better hope Davis makes a historic leap. Outside him, they return less than 10 points in their next 4 highest scorers.
I’m not convinced Gard has that guaranteed “someone always steps up”. And their recruiting is...fine. I don’t see anyone that’s gonna come in and be a difference maker right away. Next year I think they are gonna STRUGGLE.
We will see. I've written UW off too many times before. We thought Gard's first season was doomed and he rallied to a Sweet 16. He's just kept chugging along, largely similar to Bo's first half dozen or so seasons, maybe just short of that. Until they string a couple failed seasons together, I've seen too much consistent winning to predict a downfall.
Mark Turgeon's seat went to flamin' hot after back-to-back losses to Northwestern and Penn State (swept by PSU this year). Unless they have a deep run in the B1GT, they are likely out of the NCAAT.
Maryland is still pretty comfortably in. I'd stop just short of calling them a lock, but they're very close to it. It would take a lot of bid thieves to knock them out.
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Dwayne Killings finalist for Albany job per Goodman
So they finally got Cuomo, hey?
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We will see. I've written UW off too many times before. We thought Gard's first season was doomed and he rallied to a Sweet 16. He's just kept chugging along, largely similar to Bo's first half dozen or so seasons, maybe just short of that. Until they string a couple failed seasons together, I've seen too much consistent winning to predict a downfall.
I hear you, but that first team still had an upper classman Koenig, Nigel Hayes who got talked about leaving early, and Vitto Brown. All who had played on those FF teams. That next year he had all them back plus an emerging Happ who was already almost 21.
The next two years, barring transfers, he won’t have much in the way of upperclassman, much less experienced contributor ones, and mid level recruiting classes behind them.
I totally hear your point and it’s substantiated by the past, but they have a majorly unbalanced roster and lacking talent
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We will see. I've written UW off too many times before. We thought Gard's first season was doomed and he rallied to a Sweet 16. He's just kept chugging along, largely similar to Bo's first half dozen or so seasons, maybe just short of that. Until they string a couple failed seasons together, I've seen too much consistent winning to predict a downfall.
I think Barry is just waiting for the right time. He got backed into hiring Gard. He still isn’t happy about that.
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I think Barry is just waiting for the right time. He got backed into hiring Gard. He still isn’t happy about that.
Yeah, Barry doesn’t strike me as the type of guy who likes having his hand forced. And I don’t think there was a lot of love lost between him and Bo.
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Yeah, Barry doesn’t strike me as the type of guy who likes having his hand forced. And I don’t think there was a lot of love lost between him and Bo.
Barry doesn’t like sharing office tail with subordinates
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Barry doesn’t like sharing office tail with subordinates
100%
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Barry's not making a lot of decisions these days. He spends a good part of the winter in Florida and does a lot of donor work and figurehead type stuff. They aren't getting rid of Gard anytime soon.
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Out of curiosity did Barry run off Brett Beilema? Seems any coach that made three rose bowls was getting dangerously close to sharing Barry's mantle and that would've upset him
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Out of curiosity did Barry run off Brett Beilema? Seems any coach that made three rose bowls was getting dangerously close to sharing Barry's mantle and that would've upset him
I thought the story was Bielema’s wife forced the move out of Madison due to him having too many “distractions.”
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I think Brett wanted to be out of Barry's shadow. He wasn't forced out by any means.
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I think Brett wanted to be out of Barry's shadow. He wasn't forced out by any means.
gotcha. Just was curious if Barry was that petty about someone encroaching his legacy
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gotcha. Just was curious if Barry was that petty about someone encroaching his legacy
He's UW's Al McGuire. His legacy is firm no matter what happens. I don't think you can grasp, like I did growing up in Madison in the 70s and 80s, how utterly futile Wisconsin football was for a long time.
I remember when they got a bid to the Garden State Bowl and how miraculous that was. And the next year they actually won the Independence Bowl - their first bowl win ever! And they would fill Camp Randall once a year if they were lucky. All that changed with Barry.
That's why he's untouchable as AD. Even though he doesn't really do much. As long as he doesn't get into trouble and the cash machine keeps churning, the chancellor at Madison is just going to leave that alone.
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He's UW's Al McGuire. His legacy is firm no matter what happens. I don't think you can grasp, like I did growing up in Madison in the 70s and 80s, how utterly futile Wisconsin football was for a long time.
I remember when they got a bid to the Garden State Bowl and how miraculous that was. And the next year they actually won the Independence Bowl - their first bowl win ever! And they would fill Camp Randall once a year if they were lucky. All that changed with Barry.
That's why he's untouchable as AD. Even though he doesn't really do much. As long as he doesn't get into trouble and the cash machine keeps churning, the chancellor at Madison is just going to leave that alone.
*As long as his troubles stay out of the public eye.
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I just finished reading The Athletic's long article by Seth Davis on the coaching carousel.
20 coaches were named -- those definitely expected to get fired, those on the hot seat, and the hottest candidates for all the expected open jobs.
Wojo not mentioned once. Marquette not mentioned once.
So either Davis is clueless (possible) or it's already common knowledge that Wojo ain't going anywhere (probable).
Best stuff:
Sean Miller likely gone; Pitino Jr gone; Leitao gone; Archie Miller likely staying for one more year due to high buyout that goes down by two-thirds after next season; Frank Martin perhaps out at SC, partly because he doesn't like it there and partly because they don't like him; everybody's calling Matta; Beilein wants to coach again; Moser and Gates are the two hottest names; Schmidt (St Bon HC), Shrewsberry (Purdue asst) and Stoudamire (fmr NBA star) also pretty hot; Weber and Prohm might make it another year (but might not).
Oh, and pretty much every candidate Davis named might be a candidate for DePaul.
But again, sorry to report, no Wojo or Marquette mentions.
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There are only two possibilities that Wojo is gone.
1) Beilein or Matta call MU and tell them they want Wojo's job. If that happens, MU better suck it up and make the move.
2) Pilot's connection is an incredibly wealthy donor who is either ponying up for the buyout and new coach's salary him/herself or he/she's moving on to funding a different men's basketball program.
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I just finished reading The Athletic's long article by Seth Davis on the coaching carousel.
20 coaches were named -- those definitely expected to get fired, those on the hot seat, and the hottest candidates for all the expected open jobs.
Wojo not mentioned once. Marquette not mentioned once.
So either Davis is clueless (possible) or it's already common knowledge that Wojo ain't going anywhere (probable).
Best stuff:
Sean Miller likely gone; Pitino Jr gone; Leitao gone; Archie Miller likely staying for one more year due to high buyout that goes down by two-thirds after next season; Frank Martin perhaps out at SC, partly because he doesn't like it there and partly because they don't like him; everybody's calling Matta; Beilein wants to coach again; Moser and Gates are the two hottest names; Schmidt (St Bon HC), Shrewsberry (Purdue asst) and Stoudamire (fmr NBA star) also pretty hot; Weber and Prohm might make it another year (but might not).
Oh, and pretty much every candidate Davis named might be a candidate for DePaul.
But again, sorry to report, no Wojo or Marquette mentions.
Thanks for the Run Down.
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There are only two possibilities that Wojo is gone.
1) Beilein or Matta call MU and tell them they want Wojo's job. If that happens, MU better suck it up and make the move.
2) Pilot's connection is an incredibly wealthy donor who is either ponying up for the buyout and new coach's salary him/herself or he/she's moving on to funding a different men's basketball program.
I think a third scenario is that Scholl takes a hard line in extension negotiation and the only way he gets one is a severely reduced buyout. Wojo jumps to another job for a clean slate.
I don’t think it’s likely. However, if a Lewis, Carton, or Garcia have already given indications they are leaving, I could see him wanting to get out before his stock drops too far.
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I think a third scenario is that Scholl takes a hard line in extension negotiation and the only way he gets one is a severely reduced buyout. Wojo jumps to another job for a clean slate.
I don’t think it’s likely. However, if a Lewis, Carton, or Garcia have already given indications they are leaving, I could see him wanting to get out before his stock drops too far.
I agree that would be a possibility. I just don't know what job he would take that would be significantly higher paying than heading back to the Duke bench as an assistant. I don't see any P6 schools making him a top candidate.
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Right. I think if Scholl takes a hard line, then Wojo probably just doesn't sign the extension. But in reality Marquette has the leverage in these negotiations.
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I just finished reading The Athletic's long article by Seth Davis on the coaching carousel.
20 coaches were named -- those definitely expected to get fired, those on the hot seat, and the hottest candidates for all the expected open jobs.
Wojo not mentioned once. Marquette not mentioned once.
So either Davis is clueless (possible) or it's already common knowledge that Wojo ain't going anywhere (probable).
Best stuff:
Sean Miller likely gone; Pitino Jr gone; Leitao gone; Archie Miller likely staying for one more year due to high buyout that goes down by two-thirds after next season; Frank Martin perhaps out at SC, partly because he doesn't like it there and partly because they don't like him; everybody's calling Matta; Beilein wants to coach again; Moser and Gates are the two hottest names; Schmidt (St Bon HC), Shrewsberry (Purdue asst) and Stoudamire (fmr NBA star) also pretty hot; Weber and Prohm might make it another year (but might not).
Oh, and pretty much every candidate Davis named might be a candidate for DePaul.
But again, sorry to report, no Wojo or Marquette mentions.
Frank Martin isn't the first coach to have more success at his previous stop (Kansas St.).than South Carolina. Dave Odom had more success at Wake Forest, Eddie Fogler had more success at Vandy, etc...Martin wanted the Miami job (his hometown) last time around but he wasn't considered under the previous administration. Larranaga has stumbled a few seasons after having success at Miami. He isn't interested in retiring yet.
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Right. I think if Scholl takes a hard line, then Wojo probably just doesn't sign the extension. But in reality Marquette has the leverage in these negotiations.
Yea. Wojo strikes me as a bet on himself type of guy, so I think he sticks it out. Just trying to find some optimism we will have a coaching search this off-season.
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Frank Martin unhappy? Wow, knock me over with a feather.
Wojo to USC
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He's UW's Al McGuire. His legacy is firm no matter what happens. I don't think you can grasp, like I did growing up in Madison in the 70s and 80s, how utterly futile Wisconsin football was for a long time.
I remember when they got a bid to the Garden State Bowl and how miraculous that was. And the next year they actually won the Independence Bowl - their first bowl win ever! And they would fill Camp Randall once a year if they were lucky. All that changed with Barry.
That's why he's untouchable as AD. Even though he doesn't really do much. As long as he doesn't get into trouble and the cash machine keeps churning, the chancellor at Madison is just going to leave that alone.
That 1993 Rose Bowl appearance and victory was absolutely stunning. On par with Loyola-Chicago or Butler going to the Final Four. It had been a decade since their last (and only) bowl win and they were basically the laughingstock of the Big 10.
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Oh, and I meant to include this entire paragraph from The Athletic on Mike Brey because I thought folks would find it very interesting. I did.
Mike Brey, head coach, Notre Dame. Brey’s contract expires in 2025, and he has said he does not expect to be coaching in South Bend beyond that. The Irish last played in the NCAA Tournament in 2017, and with this year’s team finishing 11th in the ACC, there has been much speculation that perhaps Brey, 61, is ready to step down voluntarily. “Absolutely not. No way,” Brey told me when I asked him about that possibility. “We’ve got a great group coming back and a former co-Ivy League Player of the Year (Paul Atkinson, a 6-10 grad transfer from Yale). I feel really strongly we could get back in the hunt, and I know our guys feel that way too.” With Brey’s intentions made clear, the only question is whether Notre Dame’s athletic director Jack Swarbrick will force him out. It’s not impossible, but it would be a pretty big surprise.
And yes ... ND really, really, really effen sucks!
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Lots of Dennis Gates fans out there. (Well earned)
https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/1369466964134014976?s=19
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Was thinking we would get another year to evaluate Gates in case we give Wojo the heave ho next season. At this point, looks like he will be snatched up this season.
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Was thinking we would get another year to evaluate Gates in case we give Wojo the heave ho next season. At this point, looks like he will be snatched up this season.
Agreed. Seems we’re gonna let another good one get away
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Was thinking we would get another year to evaluate Gates in case we give Wojo the heave ho next season. At this point, looks like he will be snatched up this season.
I wonder if DePaul will take a look at Gates
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I wonder if DePaul will take a look at Gates
they should. My guess is they go after someone with ties to Kentucky.
I wonder if BC can hire Gates considering his wife is the #2 in the department there. What would be the optics of that? He is a finalist at PSU as well.
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they should. My guess is they go after someone with ties to Kentucky.
I wonder if BC can hire Gates considering his wife is the #2 in the department there. What would be the optics of that? He is a finalist at PSU as well.
As long as he doesn't report to her, it's fine.
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Would DePaul or PSU be good options for Gates? Kind of feel he could hold out for something bigger. I don’t know if he’d be considered for Indiana, but feels like DePaul would be shooting low for him.
Obviously new names pop up every year, but feels like some good options will be gone by the time we get to our coaching search.
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Would DePaul or PSU be good options for Gates? Kind of feel he could hold out for something bigger. I don’t know if he’d be considered for Indiana, but feels like DePaul would be shooting low for him.
Obviously new names pop up every year, but feels like some good options will be gone by the time we get to our coaching search.
He's been a head coach for two years. Yes he has done a great job rebuilding the program, but he doesn't have a deep history that the likes of Indiana are going to be interested in. DePaul or Penn State seem appropriate.
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He's been a head coach for two years. Yes he has done a great job rebuilding the program, but he doesn't have a deep history that the likes of Indiana are going to be interested in. DePaul or Penn State seem appropriate.
I would take him here in a nanosecond and those two programs (+BC) would be beneath him I should hope
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I would take him here in a nanosecond and those two programs (+BC) would be beneath him I should hope
I agree. But I don't think Indiana would.
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I think a third scenario is that Scholl takes a hard line in extension negotiation and the only way he gets one is a severely reduced buyout. Wojo jumps to another job for a clean slate.
I don’t think it’s likely. However, if a Lewis, Carton, or Garcia have already given indications they are leaving, I could see him wanting to get out before his stock drops too far.
Also a 4th option - Wojo know's his seat is getting hot. He has all the excuses in the world to provide his next employer, and decides to bolt now, while he still has a chance at another job.
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Dare to dream!
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Moser is the guy we need to go after......If WOJO is not here next year.....
He does more with less than most coaches in NCAA Div 1.....
Loyola literally has no budget or history except for that one Cinderella run.....
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What about Archie Miller if he gets canned? He’s had recent success at Dayton which is pretty much a program we should aspire to be at this point.
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What about Archie Miller if he gets canned? He’s had recent success at Dayton which is pretty much a program we should aspire to be at this point.
He won't get canned, his buyout is too large this year.
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He won't get canned, his buyout is too large this year.
Scoop collection plate y'all!
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Moser is the guy we need to go after......If WOJO is not here next year.....
He does more with less than most coaches in NCAA Div 1.....
Loyola literally has no budget or history except for that one Cinderella run.....
Moser wouldn't make my top 10 list of candidates. Maybe top 15.
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Moser wouldn't make my top 10 list of candidates. Maybe top 15.
The feeling might be mutual from Moser’s end.
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Archie Miller is a rich man’s Brian Gregory
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For me, the worst part about Wojo getting retained will be seeing programs like DePaul and possibly Butler snap up coaches we might’ve had a shot at if we’d only made a move.
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Moser wouldn't make my top 10 list of candidates. Maybe top 15.
I respect your opinion - who would you have above him besides Dennis Gates (who I think personally has made himself the clear #1)? Guessing DeVries, Matta, Beilein, Craig Smith... Seems to be a fall off from there though.... TJO? Would genuinely like to see a list, if there others out there I'm not following I'd love to look into more options, because if they're better than Moser we would be in good shape.
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For me, the worst part about Wojo getting retained will be seeing programs like DePaul and possibly Butler snap up coaches we might’ve had a shot at if we’d only made a move.
I understand this frustration, but there will always be several "next great coaches."
In the unfortunate event that Wojo is retained ... only to be fired a year from now, we will have several good ones from which to choose.
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I understand this frustration, but there will always be several "next great coaches."
In the unfortunate event that Wojo is retained ... only to be fired a year from now, we will have several good ones from which to choose.
And many of those "next great coaches" will flame out anyway. Most do.
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Moser is the guy we need to go after......If WOJO is not here next year.....
He does more with less than most coaches in NCAA Div 1.....
Loyola literally has no budget or history except for that one Cinderella run.....
Sure if you ignore their championship in the 60s and the sweet 16 in the 80s with probably their most talented team ever then yeah the only history they have is that one Cinderella run.
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pat baldwin sr
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What's John Beilein doing these days?
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pat baldwin sr
For 1 year?
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Yeah, I would fully support Porter Moser if we hire him ... but it took him until Year 7 at Loyola and Year 14 as a head coach to "do more with less."
Maybe he finally has figured things out and would be a spectacular hire for Marquette or any P6 school. Either we'll get to see soon enough, or he'll pull a Bob McKillop and decide that Loyola is the one and only place for him.
There are a lot worse things than being a well-paid coach in a great city, and in a job where the only real pressure he faces is the pressure he puts on himself.
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For 1 year?
welll see
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What's John Beilein doing these days?
Waiting for a ready-made winning situation at a school that will pay him $5-6 million a year.
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Waiting for a ready-made winning situation at a school that will pay him $5-6 million a year.
He on the B14 network right now. Perhaps I'll give him a call. :)
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Tim Legler was on the Ryen R pod pitching himself as a DI candidate. He was a little salty about the whole search firm process and would be a total didn't expect that choice. I have no idea how his AAU teams do vs how they are expected to do and I highly doubt he would be on any P6 radar. But got me thinking, what other out of left field choice could you see happening? I don't think our admin has the balls to do anything outside the norms, but fun to think about at least.
I guess all ex nba players without experience would fit this bill. Eurocoaches? Becky Hammond. Darvin Ham.
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Tim Legler was on the Ryen R pod pitching himself as a DI candidate. He was a little salty about the whole search firm process and would be a total didn't expect that choice. I have no idea how his AAU teams do vs how they are expected to do and I highly doubt he would be on any P6 radar. But got me thinking, what other out of left field choice could you see happening? I don't think our admin has the balls to do anything outside the norms, but fun to think about at least.
I guess all ex nba players without experience would fit this bill. Eurocoaches? Becky Hammond. Darvin Ham.
I’d be all in on Legs. Nothing to do with coaching ability though. Have you seen his wife?
She’s an absolute dime.
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Tim Legler was on the Ryen R pod pitching himself as a DI candidate. He was a little salty about the whole search firm process and would be a total didn't expect that choice. I have no idea how his AAU teams do vs how they are expected to do and I highly doubt he would be on any P6 radar. But got me thinking, what other out of left field choice could you see happening? I don't think our admin has the balls to do anything outside the norms, but fun to think about at least.
I guess all ex nba players without experience would fit this bill. Eurocoaches? Becky Hammond. Darvin Ham.
Sister Jean?
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Why would a team hire Tim Legler? He’s never been a coach. Not even an assistant. He can be salty all he wants buts there’s a reason he isn’t getting major looks. If that is his goal, he has work to do to get there. Like almost everyone else has to do.
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I don't think anyone would. Really trying to follow the Penny track minus that whole having Wiseman locked up before he started thing. I guess Mullin didn't have any experience. Stack house, Ewing, and Howard all did. Maybe he got to the final round with Lasalle last time, I don't know.
Just wondering who else would qualify as a sneaky off the radar get. I mean no matter who they would get it's going to be a roll of the dice, would be more interesting if that person didn't fall into category of old coach looking for another gig, hot mid major coach coming off sweet 16, or Blueblood assistant du jour.
And yes, I'm going to pretend it's going to happen until it doesn't.
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Back to the issue of Coaching Carousel -- there's a former Marquette assistant coach who has been quietly putting together a solid resume. Tod Kowalczyk rebuilt Green Bay after the program crashed and over the last eleven years has turned the Toledo program into a consistent winner. Five, 20 win seasons in the last eight. https://twitter.com/ToledoMBB/status/1369665094657916928
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Jon Jakus at Baylor, as someone previously mentioned is interesting.
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Who says no to this coaching staff next year: Tom Crean, along with assistants Joe Chapman and Travis Diener.
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Who says no to this coaching staff next year: Tom Crean, along with assistants Joe Chapman and Travis Diener.
Tom Crean, Joe Chapman and Travis Diener
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I don't think anyone would. Really trying to follow the Penny track minus that whole having Wiseman locked up before he started thing. I guess Mullin didn't have any experience. Stack house, Ewing, and Howard all did. Maybe he got to the final round with Lasalle last time, I don't know.
Just wondering who else would qualify as a sneaky off the radar get. I mean no matter who they would get it's going to be a roll of the dice, would be more interesting if that person didn't fall into category of old coach looking for another gig, hot mid major coach coming off sweet 16, or Blueblood assistant du jour.
And yes, I'm going to pretend it's going to happen until it doesn't.
Penny was at least a high school coach and Mullin at least was in an NBA front office. And one of those didn't work and the Penny experiment has had its ups and downs.
I guess Legler was a finalist at LaSalle a couple years ago. And that's probably the best level he could hope for.
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Who says no to this coaching staff next year: Tom Crean, along with assistants Joe Chapman and Travis Diener.
Me. Time to move on.
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Me. Time to move on.
This, too. Chasing ghosts of the past is a recipe for more mediocrity
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I like the Tod Kowalczyk hire idea. Familiar with the program, solid where he goes, Wade is a fan...what else do you need. A realistic hire. But first things first please.
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When does an athletic department typically conduct exit interviews with the coaches and staff? Probably within the next several days, no?
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I like the Tod Kowalczyk hire idea. Familiar with the program, solid where he goes, Wade is a fan...what else do you need. A realistic hire. But first things first please.
Wade and LeBron were fans of the Wojo hire from Team USA days.
I haven’t done too much research on Kowalcyzk, but have seen his name a few times. Would he be a good option? Or are we just talking about coaches with MU experience, like Wardle?
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Tom Crean, Joe Chapman and Travis Diener
This was funny
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Wade and LeBron were fans of the Wojo hire from Team USA days.
I haven’t done too much research on Kowalcyzk, but have seen his name a few times. Would he be a good option? Or are we just talking about coaches with MU experience, like Wardle?
Wade isn’t a good reason I get that but saw him say this awhile back.
I like guys who have had success. Granted he hasn’t gone to the NCAA so that is probably a major ding but not a lot of losing records. And looks like he was actually born in Green Bay? Just another name I guess. But I wouldn’t be upset if he were the guy.
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Wade and LeBron were fans of the Wojo hire from Team USA days.
I haven’t done too much research on Kowalcyzk, but have seen his name a few times. Would he be a good option? Or are we just talking about coaches with MU experience, like Wardle?
When asked a question like, "What do you think of Marquette hiring Wojo", anyone who is a peer/colleague is going to say something positive.
Ever heard a coach in their post game drag the other team's coach? "Marquette is a poorly coached team, and that's why we ran them out of the gym today".
No. No one ever says anything like that. You don't burn bridges, you don't disparage your opponents. So of course Wade and Lebron are going to say they are fans of literally anyone that gets hired for a job.
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Crean sucks
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I like the Tod Kowalczyk hire idea. Familiar with the program, solid where he goes, Wade is a fan...what else do you need. A realistic hire. But first things first please.
Tod's been a mid major coach for 19 seasons and has yet to get to the NCAAs.
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ND sucks.
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Penny was at least a high school coach and Mullin at least was in an NBA front office. And one of those didn't work and the Penny experiment has had its ups and downs.
I guess Legler was a finalist at LaSalle a couple years ago. And that's probably the best level he could hope for.
Penny is also a Memphis legend, still a big NBA name, and was a massively marketable star in his prime. Plus, he’s been extremely connected in Memphis and Memphis youth basketball even before he was coaching HS. Memphis has been producing lots of talent lately, and thinking he could put a wall around the city, as a result of what I mentioned, played no small role.
Legler is just a guy. Unremarkable NBA career, sure he’s an NBA analyst, but his name has no cache. It’s not like he’s a prominent Philly basketball influence. His Alma mater? Sure. But elsewhere? Nah.
As for Tod K, Toledo has played in the far weaker West division of the MAC. So he didn’t have to deal with Akron, Ohio, Kent, or Buffalo who were usually the class of the MAC. So his division record and titles were good but his tourney appearances were non existent cause he couldn’t get past them in the MAC tourney. Solid coach but not an appealing candidate
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I respect your opinion - who would you have above him besides Dennis Gates (who I think personally has made himself the clear #1)? Guessing DeVries, Matta, Beilein, Craig Smith... Seems to be a fall off from there though.... TJO? Would genuinely like to see a list, if there others out there I'm not following I'd love to look into more options, because if they're better than Moser we would be in good shape.
Sent you a PM
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Tod K is an interesting name. His predecessor at Toledo managed to torpedo that program in only two years as a coach. The Rockets had been a consistently strong mid-major but Gene Cross went 11-53 in his 2 seasons and had 2 sub-300 KenPom finishes (and never coached in the NCAA again). Tod K was finishes 332nd in his first season, 206th in his second, 186th in his third, and in the following 8 years he's never finished lower than 152nd and was in the top 100 3 times.
He built the program really well and has kept them consistent. Unfortunately, he also consistently fails to win the MAC tournament. In fact, he's only made the final game once (2018). He usually gets bounced in the opening round.
With his consistency, program building, and midwest roots, he'd probably make my top 10 candidates....but towards the back of it. Hopefully we wouldn't have to go that far down on the list.
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Tod K is an interesting name. His predecessor at Toledo managed to torpedo that program in only two years as a coach. The Rockets had been a consistently strong mid-major but Gene Cross went 11-53 in his 2 seasons and had 2 sub-300 KenPom finishes (and never coached in the NCAA again). Tod K was finishes 332nd in his first season, 206th in his second, 186th in his third, and in the following 8 years he's never finished lower than 152nd and was in the top 100 3 times.
He built the program really well and has kept them consistent. Unfortunately, he also consistently fails to win the MAC tournament. In fact, he's only made the final game once (2018). He usually gets bounced in the opening round.
With his consistency, program building, and midwest roots, he'd probably make my top 10 candidates....but towards the back of it. Hopefully we wouldn't have to go that far down on the list.
Thanks for that info. Yeah not making/winning the MAC championship after finishing at the top of the conference fairly consistently is a big ding. I agree with your top 10 assessment on him.
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Sent you a PM
Come now, don't make the rest of us beg.
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Thanks for that info. Yeah not making/winning the MAC championship after finishing at the top of the conference fairly consistently is a big ding. I agree with your top 10 assessment on him.
He lost to Willie's Woody Wardle. Watching these mid-major conferences, one thing popped out to me: Many of these coaches solely rely on on their systems to win and not adjustments like is needed in the BE with the round robin. We already have one of those coaches in place.
Show me someone like Oats or Beard who can gameplan against high majors and you have someone who can make the jump. Underlining this is their recruiting network of course. Gates may be that candidate if his recruiting network matches what MU wants in student athletes. I am doubtful of that match.
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He lost to Willie's Woody Wardle. Watching these mid-major conferences, one thing popped out to me: Many of these coaches solely rely on on their systems to win and not adjustments like is needed in the BE with the round robin. We already have one of those coaches in place.
Show me someone like Oats or Beard who can gameplan against high majors and you have someone who can make the jump. Underlining this is their recruiting network of course. Gates may be that candidate if his recruiting network matches what MU wants in student athletes. I am doubtful of that match.
You absolutely LOVE pushing this narrative anytime you can.
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You absolutely LOVE pushing this narrative anytime you can.
Marquette has been on public record in this regard. It's a fact and a job requirement for success. I don't know why you LOVE defending the opposite. Vander Blue, Jae Crowder, DWade are not putting on a MU jersey now or in the future.
We can disagree on this point and it's pros and cons but Larry Williams publicly acknowledged this policy and MU maintains to today. If you hire a Martin with those requirements, he will fail for example. It's why Wojo was hired.
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DWade wouldn't qualify now and would have to go to a prep school or Juco. So yeah, Marquette wouldn't be able to admit him but nor would anyone else.
I have no idea why Vander wouldn't be admitted.
Jae is really the only issue, and its so particular I'm not sure its meaningful.
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DWade wouldn't qualify now and would have to go to a prep school or Juco. So yeah, Marquette wouldn't be able to admit him but nor would anyone else.
I have no idea why Vander wouldn't be admitted.
Jae is really the only issue, and its so particular I'm not sure its meaningful.
Wade likely would get a partial qualifier waiver today. All you have to do is show some kind of hardship.
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Marquette has been on public record in this regard.
Show us. I'm not aware of this and would love to read about this policy. Bonus points if its on the public record from an administration that wasn't fired 8 years ago.
I think Gates would get an interview if the admin pulled the trigger on firing Wojo.
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So despite everyone and their mother wanting Wojo fired, we are of the collective belief he is for sure returning, no?
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So despite everyone and their mother wanting Wojo fired, we are of the collective belief he is for sure returning, no?
Each passing second leads me more to believe he is being retained. Anyone know of a typical time table? The longer the wait would be, the bigger the challenge for the program.
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Each passing second leads me to believe he is being retained. Anyone know of a typical time table? The longer the wait would be, the bigger the challenge for the program.
If they were to fire Wojo, it would 100% be a Friday afternoon news dump.
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Will MU even “announce” that Wojo’s coming back, or just let it lay like it is if they plan to retain him? Giving him a vote of confidence would seem to be an acknowledgment on their part that something’s amiss.
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Will MU even “announce” that Wojo’s coming back, or just let it lay like it is if they plan to retain him? Giving him a vote of confidence would seem to be an acknowledgment on their part that something’s amiss.
I would imagine he gets an extension and they find a day the Brewers play, the Packers do something in free agency, and/or maybe UW plays in the NCAA tourney to announce. Or wait to announce it in the middle of summer.
I’m going to be very interested the spin they put around it.
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Marquette has been on public record in this regard. It's a fact and a job requirement for success. I don't know why you LOVE defending the opposite. Vander Blue, Jae Crowder, DWade are not putting on a MU jersey now or in the future.
We can disagree on this point and it's pros and cons but Larry Williams publicly acknowledged this policy and MU maintains to today. If you hire a Martin with those requirements, he will fail for example. It's why Wojo was hired.
I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. So I will ask to be clear. Are you saying Marquette will not accept partial qualifiers, jucos, etc...moving forward? And are you referencing "Martin" as in Cuonzo Martin? Cuonzo Martin has one kid on his team that came from a prep school after high school before Mizzou. He has one kid who qualified and attended San Diego St. that left for a juco year to improve his basketball stock. (He doesn't play) You are aware that Marquette (Wojo) actively recruited some of the same players that committed to Mizzou, Watson, McKinney, etc...He recruited to Cal Berkeley, which is the same school where Dennis Gates was an All Academic Player. I'm not sure I understand what you are saying here.
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Show us. I'm not aware of this and would love to read about this policy. Bonus points if its on the public record from an administration that wasn't fired 8 years ago.
I think Gates would get an interview if the admin pulled the trigger on firing Wojo.
Free Dennis Gates.
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Show us. I'm not aware of this and would love to read about this policy. Bonus points if its on the public record from an administration that wasn't fired 8 years ago.
I think Gates would get an interview if the admin pulled the trigger on firing Wojo.
Luckily most of Larry's stuff has been purged but my source was his Law School lecture. Maybe you can find it in the Scoop archives.
As to today, as you know, MU publishes these expectations for prospective student athletes but unfortunately MUAD has not maintained that link. When I last looked at those a while back these seemingly were no different than in Larry's time. Perhaps you can get that released or have another source.
https://gomarquette.com/sports/2018/5/17/academic-srvc-marq-acad-srvc-html
As to Gates, he is intriguing. Whether we agree on this point or not, I think we can agree it's imperative that those expectations (win on the court and classroom) line up with the candidate. Wojo is winning in the classroom but not on the court. Martin or Howland would win on the court but not always in the classroom. Maybe Crean and KO where MU's coaches did both, and Crean was given a lot of bend.
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I think the reasoning behind the “No Jucos” has gotten warped by this board over time. The change in recruiting requirements was to get ahead of changes by the NCAA and our own poorly trending APR score. This is when UWM and UCONN missed NCAA Tourney eligibility due to bad scores.
The reason we have a limited subset of JUCOs is because many would not be on track to graduate at MU. Many who spend 2 years at JUCOs get a Phy Ed degree. MU doesn’t have that program and this many credits wouldn’t transfer. It would be next to impossible for that player to be on track to graduate and not hurt the APR.
The 3 year JUCOs like Butler and DJO we can work with because there’s more runway for them to get on track to graduate. There’s just not that many out there and even fewer that are as good as those two.
We were spoiled because Buzz had tons of JUCO connections and we found some diamonds in the rough. There are not that many impact JUCOs out there. Also, Wojo has minimal connections. So put that together, and that’s why we don’t have many on our roster. We’ve recruited some recently, but haven’t been the choice.
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Luckily most of Larry's stuff has been purged but my source was his Law School lecture. Maybe you can find it in the Scoop archives.
As to today, as you know, MU publishes these expectations for prospective student athletes but unfortunately MUAD has not maintained that link. When I last looked at those a while back these seemingly were no different than in Larry's time. Perhaps you can get that released or have another source.
https://gomarquette.com/sports/2018/5/17/academic-srvc-marq-acad-srvc-html
As to Gates, he is intriguing. Whether we agree on this point or not, I think we can agree it's imperative that those expectations (win on the court and classroom) line up with the candidate. Wojo is winning in the classroom but not on the court. Martin or Howland would win on the court but not always in the classroom. Maybe Crean and KO where MU's coaches did both, and Crean was given a lot of bend.
So they are not on the public record. Your source was a lecture from an AD fired 8 years ago. What exactly did he say during this lecture that led you to believe that JUCOs and Prep Schoolers are forbidden at MU and we will never consider hiring a coach who has recruited JUCOs or Prep Schoolers in the past (or in Niko Medved's case, we won't consider them if they never recruited a JUCO but worked at a school that allows JUCOs)?
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So they are not on the public record. Your source was a lecture from an AD fired 8 years ago. What exactly did he say during this lecture that led you to believe that JUCOs and Prep Schoolers are forbidden at MU and we will never consider hiring a coach who has recruited JUCOs or Prep Schoolers in the past (or in Niko Medved's case, we won't consider them if they never recruited a JUCO but worked at a school that allows JUCOs)?
1) I don’t believe this policy exists.
2) I would be disappointed if MUBB ever had this policy. Policy needs to be recruit good kids. Not all kids, schools, environments are the same at the prep level. Some kids need not to be penalized for this.
3) It may be a good idea to have and discuss specifics when randomly throwing out names of coaches.
4) Coaches can and do approach different coaching jobs differently.
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I think the reasoning behind the “No Jucos” has gotten warped by this board over time. The change in recruiting requirements was to get ahead of changes by the NCAA and our own poorly trending APR score. This is when UWM and UCONN missed NCAA Tourney eligibility due to bad scores.
The reason we have a limited subset of JUCOs is because many would not be on track to graduate at MU. Many who spend 2 years at JUCOs get a Phy Ed degree. MU doesn’t have that program and this many credits wouldn’t transfer. It would be next to impossible for that player to be on track to graduate and not hurt the APR.
The 3 year JUCOs like Butler and DJO we can work with because there’s more runway for them to get on track to graduate. There’s just not that many out there and even fewer that are as good as those two.
We were spoiled because Buzz had tons of JUCO connections and we found some diamonds in the rough. There are not that many impact JUCOs out there. Also, Wojo has minimal connections. So put that together, and that’s why we don’t have many on our roster. We’ve recruited some recently, but haven’t been the choice.
No they don't. JUCO's are shying away from those due to ineligibility issues upon transfer. Most get social sciences or communication degrees.
However, you are correct that the transfer credits overall creates an issue for graduation. However, they can make that up with 6-12 credits over two summers. The problem with Buzz's transfers is they were falling behind and needed summer just to get to eligiblity minimum requirements, not move forward towards an on-time graduation.
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Tom Crean
Archie Miller
Indiana
https://twitter.com/GreggDoyelStar/status/1370465704395296768?s=19
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Coaching Changes
@CoachingChanges
Jobs Open currently
Boston College
New Mexico
Penn State
Fordham
Jacksonville
UT Martin
UT Rio Grand
Indiana State
Portland
Denver
Albany
Eastern Illinois
C Conn State
https://twitter.com/CoachingChanges/status/1370418986521886722
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Coaching Changes
@CoachingChanges
Jobs Open currently
Boston College
New Mexico
Penn State
Fordham
Jacksonville
UT Martin
UT Rio Grand
Indiana State
Portland
Denver
Albany
Eastern Illinois
C Conn State
https://twitter.com/CoachingChanges/status/1370418986521886722
Wojo to Central Connecticut State?
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Tom Crean, Joe Chapman and Travis Diener
Well done.
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Tod K is an interesting name. His predecessor at Toledo managed to torpedo that program in only two years as a coach. The Rockets had been a consistently strong mid-major but Gene Cross went 11-53 in his 2 seasons and had 2 sub-300 KenPom finishes (and never coached in the NCAA again). Tod K was finishes 332nd in his first season, 206th in his second, 186th in his third, and in the following 8 years he's never finished lower than 152nd and was in the top 100 3 times.
He built the program really well and has kept them consistent. Unfortunately, he also consistently fails to win the MAC tournament. In fact, he's only made the final game once (2018). He usually gets bounced in the opening round.
With his consistency, program building, and midwest roots, he'd probably make my top 10 candidates....but towards the back of it. Hopefully we wouldn't have to go that far down on the list.
Just to bump, Toledo won the MAC regular season by 2 games with a largely Senior and redshirt upperclassmen led squad...got bounced today by 5th seed Ohio and won’t make the MAC conference final yet again.
He’d be a great look for a higher mid market program in the MVC, for someone like Illinois St or Evansville or Duquense in the A10 who need a Midwestern guy to rebuild a program with lower expectations, but his resume at nearly 55 would be way underwhelming for Marquette
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John Beilein is on TV again tonight as Host on the Big 10 Network
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https://www.dawgsports.com/2021/3/12/22326702/tom-crean-georgia-basketball-uga-bulldogs-tom-crean-job-news-uga-athletic-department-josh-brooks
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https://www.dawgsports.com/2021/3/12/22326702/tom-crean-georgia-basketball-uga-bulldogs-tom-crean-job-news-uga-athletic-department-josh-brooks
Crean has only been there 3 seasons, and, his teams have gotten a little better each season. He may or may not get Georgia to the NCAA's etc..(I am indifferent either way) but he'll get a few more seasons than 3 to find out.
For perspective, Georgia has two regular season conference titles in school history. One of those came in the early 1930's. They have made the Sweet 16 twice in school history. They have made the NCAA's 12 times in school history.
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Sounds like Pitino Jr is going to New Mexico.
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Sounds like Pitino Jr is going to New Mexico.
Will Pitino Sr get sniffs for a bigger gig? So much baggage but he is a winner.
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Sounds like Pitino Jr is going to New Mexico.
Source?
Is your source Charley Walters? He mentioned Pitino's interview yesterday with New Mexico.
If your source is "Coaching Changes" ...they said four days ago it looked like Tim Miles. So I'd wait for another source to confirm first, if it's them, rather than from one that often tweets like a four year old child having a temper tantrum because he couldn't have more candy.
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Will Pitino Sr get sniffs for a bigger gig? So much baggage but he is a winner.
I’d hire senior at Marquette so fast it would make your head spin
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I’d hire senior at Marquette so fast it would make your head spin
Your head won't be the only thing spinning.
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Your head won't be the only thing spinning.
Oh, I’m aware. Pay Wojo’s buyout with a fainting couch sale
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I would take Senior in a heartbeat, too. Too much history for MU to do it.
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I would take Senior in a heartbeat, too. Too much history for MU to do it.
I don't know. If they are desperate to get fans in seats and rebuild a winner quick for revenue for the University then they might consider him.
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Source?
Is your source Charley Walters? He mentioned Pitino's interview yesterday with New Mexico.
If your source is "Coaching Changes" ...they said four days ago it looked like Tim Miles. So I'd wait for another source to confirm first, if it's them, rather than from one that often tweets like a four year old child having a temper tantrum because he couldn't have more candy.
Yea, was using Coaching Changes.
https://twitter.com/coachingchanges/status/1370746618086100995?s=21
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Rick Sr is only 68. I think he’s got one more high major run in him, and he’d sure as he’ll take the Marquette job. That would be awesome if he came here, and a real statement hire. Never happen, though.
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Yea, was using Coaching Changes.
https://twitter.com/coachingchanges/status/1370746618086100995?s=21
And they may turn out to be correct. I’m just not a big fan of their approach.
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Look I want to win too, but Pitino Sr has way too much baggage.
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He does. Which is why it won't happen.
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I would take Sr. in a heartbeat.
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I would take Sr. in a heartbeat.
Sr is living next to Winged Foot , where he is a member, house is a short ride to Iona. If you are Pitino, life is pretty good right now. He is having fun coaching, with low expectations and lives in a nice setting in Westchester County.
Funny story about how Pitino was watching the US Open from his back yard.
https://www.golfdigest.com/story/rick-pitino-kevin-streelman-winged-foot
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Sr is living next to Winged Foot , where he is a member, house is a short ride to Iona. If you are Pitino, life is pretty good right now. He is having fun coaching, with low expectations and lives in a nice setting in Westchester County.
Funny story about how Pitino was watching the US Open from his back yard.
https://www.golfdigest.com/story/rick-pitino-kevin-streelman-winged-foot
He can’t win a national title at Iona but he can win a lot and maybe that’s good enough at 68
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Quick!! Someone get on the horn to Calderone Club to get the fettucine started...
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I’d hire senior at Marquette so fast it would make your head spin
But what Italian Club/Restaurant in Mke. would you give him VIP status in? That might get him to come (in more ways than can be imagined)
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He does. Which is why it won't happen.
The guy is morally corrupt, but gets the job done as a coach--aside from his frequent judgement lapses. If in somebody's wild dreams MU made that move, we would be winning big time and all his baggage would be forgotten/forgiven. Winning solves many issues.
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Sounds like Pitino Jr is going to New Mexico.
https://www.minnesotasportsfan.com/richard-pitino-interviewing-for-new-mexico-job-on-saturday/
Remember if Richard Pitino can find a “soft landing spot”, it’s possible the University of Minnesota could avoid paying his $1.75 million buyout.
We should be encouraging a similar "soft landing spot" and waiving the buyout. Easy solution.
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https://www.minnesotasportsfan.com/richard-pitino-interviewing-for-new-mexico-job-on-saturday/
We should be encouraging a similar "soft landing spot" and waiving the buyout. Easy solution.
If his last name wasn’t Pitino he’s be trying to sell you real hardwood flooring instead of luxury vinyl. Classic coaching fail son,
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If his last name wasn’t Pitino he’s be trying to sell you real hardwood flooring instead of luxury vinyl. Classic coaching fail son,
And if Wojo wasn't K's de facto son he'd be announcing high school games on local radio. Seems perfectly analagous. Get the guy a golden parachute out of town and move on.
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Look I want to win too, but Pitino Sr has way too much baggage.
Meh. Given Hausershima and its aftermath, Rick Effen Pitino can bring his Samsonite, American Tourister, Tumi, Hartmann and Travelpro with him to Marquette!!
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Iona wins today against Fairfield and they are in the NCAA tournament as the MAAC champion.
https://247sports.com/Article/Rick-Pitino-Iona-basketball-need-one-win-March-Madness-for-NCAA-Tournament-berth-MAAC-championship-Niagara-162304228/
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The Athletic's Bob Kravitz says HoosierLand wants no more of Archie Miller, and this will really resonate with most Scoopers
https://theathletic.com/2444717/2021/03/11/kravitz-hoosiers-faithful-spiraling-toward-apathy-if-iu-wont-fire-archie-miller/?source=weeklyemail
It's a subscription site, so I won't cut and paste the whole thing, but here's a little taste ...
Thankfully, mercifully, the Indiana basketball season ended Thursday night. It ended with nearly 10 minutes of abject, almost comical awfulness, the Hoosiers failing to score a field goal in the final 9 minutes, 50 seconds of its 61-50 Big Ten Tournament loss to Rutgers. And it ended with fans — yes, real-life, candy-stripe-wearing, invective-spewing fans — heartily and clearly chanting “Fire Archie! Fire Archie! Fire Archie!”
Did he hear it, athletic director Scott Dolson? Of course he heard it. He had to hear it, the angry noise echoing throughout the sparsely filled stands at Lucas Oil Stadium, the season ending with an audible thud, six straight losses, some more egregious than others, skidding to a halt well short of an NCAA Tournament berth.
At least Hoosiers fans still care enough to be miffed, but for how long? When does this turn into outright apathy? It’s a truly astounding thing to think or say. This is Indiana. Five banners. History without compare. And yet, here we are in a state that venerates basketball, a sport that courses through our veins as its lifeblood, and fans are nearing the point where they just don’t care any longer.
That’s how far the Hoosiers have fallen. They can’t shoot. They can’t defend, finishing 12th in the league in opponents’ points-per-possession. And it’s been this way for the better part of four years. What is this program’s calling card? What is it known for, besides an inability to make a shot?
Yes, it would cost Dolson a whole lot of money to buy out Miller, and the optics of spending $10 million-plus to fire a coach while the budget bleeds due to pandemic-related losses are not favorable. This is a year when everybody in college athletics is cutting budgets and experiencing furloughs; it’s not a particularly good look. But how much does this athletic department stand to lose if fans — especially younger fans who don’t remember when Indiana hoops mattered like nothing else — quit caring? Can you imagine scores of empty seats at Assembly Hall when fans are allowed back in? Yes, you can.
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It is just unfathomable to me that we’re going to retain Wojo. I have never experienced more apathy and negativity about #mubb. If MU thinks fans will just forget and get back on board next November they are doing a terrible job reading the room. My MU circle is comprised of dozens of even keeled fans, with moderate expectations and appreciation for how tough it is to win as a Catholic school in Milwaukee and yet they are all past the boiling point.
What concerns me is how many of my circles have just shifted into complete apathy.
None of this is good.
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Quick!! Someone get on the horn to Calderone Club to get the fettucine started...
Eye'd spring four dinner at Zarletti's, hey?
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The Athletic's Bob Kravitz says HoosierLand wants no more of Archie Miller, and this will really resonate with most Scoopers
https://theathletic.com/2444717/2021/03/11/kravitz-hoosiers-faithful-spiraling-toward-apathy-if-iu-wont-fire-archie-miller/?source=weeklyemail
It's a subscription site, so I won't cut and paste the whole thing, but here's a little taste ...
Thankfully, mercifully, the Indiana basketball season ended Thursday night. It ended with nearly 10 minutes of abject, almost comical awfulness, the Hoosiers failing to score a field goal in the final 9 minutes, 50 seconds of its 61-50 Big Ten Tournament loss to Rutgers. And it ended with fans — yes, real-life, candy-stripe-wearing, invective-spewing fans — heartily and clearly chanting “Fire Archie! Fire Archie! Fire Archie!”
Did he hear it, athletic director Scott Dolson? Of course he heard it. He had to hear it, the angry noise echoing throughout the sparsely filled stands at Lucas Oil Stadium, the season ending with an audible thud, six straight losses, some more egregious than others, skidding to a halt well short of an NCAA Tournament berth.
At least Hoosiers fans still care enough to be miffed, but for how long? When does this turn into outright apathy? It’s a truly astounding thing to think or say. This is Indiana. Five banners. History without compare. And yet, here we are in a state that venerates basketball, a sport that courses through our veins as its lifeblood, and fans are nearing the point where they just don’t care any longer.
That’s how far the Hoosiers have fallen. They can’t shoot. They can’t defend, finishing 12th in the league in opponents’ points-per-possession. And it’s been this way for the better part of four years. What is this program’s calling card? What is it known for, besides an inability to make a shot?
Yes, it would cost Dolson a whole lot of money to buy out Miller, and the optics of spending $10 million-plus to fire a coach while the budget bleeds due to pandemic-related losses are not favorable. This is a year when everybody in college athletics is cutting budgets and experiencing furloughs; it’s not a particularly good look. But how much does this athletic department stand to lose if fans — especially younger fans who don’t remember when Indiana hoops mattered like nothing else — quit caring? Can you imagine scores of empty seats at Assembly Hall when fans are allowed back in? Yes, you can.
Indiana hasn't won a championship since '87... and I was 6 years old. The IU faithful have a distorted view of where their program currently is. Are they a great program? Sure. But their blue blood status is very much in doubt.
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It is just unfathomable to me that we’re going to retain Wojo. I have never experienced more apathy and negativity about #mubb. If MU thinks fans will just forget and get back on board next November they are doing a terrible job reading the room. My MU circle is comprised of dozens of even keeled fans, with moderate expectations and appreciation for how tough it is to win as a Catholic school in Milwaukee and yet they are all past the boiling point.
What concerns me is how many of my circles have just shifted into complete apathy.
None of this is good.
I find it equally unfathomable. So much so that I refuse to believe he’s going to be back.
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It is just unfathomable to me that we’re going to retain Wojo. I have never experienced more apathy and negativity about #mubb. If MU thinks fans will just forget and get back on board next November they are doing a terrible job reading the room. My MU circle is comprised of dozens of even keeled fans, with moderate expectations and appreciation for how tough it is to win as a Catholic school in Milwaukee and yet they are all past the boiling point.
What concerns me is how many of my circles have just shifted into complete apathy.
None of this is good.
Are y'all season ticket holders? Cancel 'em and make sure you let Scholl & Co. know why.
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Indiana hasn't won a championship since '87... and I was 6 years old. The IU faithful have a distorted view of where their program currently is. Are they a great program? Sure. But their blue blood status is very much in doubt.
...IU is still a big boy. IU fans don’t have a distorted view of where their program is. Rather, they get it. They suck and they know it, and they are desperate...just like us. We suck. We know it. We are desperate to get out of mediocre hell.
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And if Wojo wasn't K's de facto son he'd be announcing high school games on local radio. Seems perfectly analagous. Get the guy a golden parachute out of town and move on.
As a guy who does PBP for high schools games on local radio (and PA for college games), I'm extremely triggered by the comparison to Wojo.
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As a guy who does PBP for high schools games on local radio (and PA for college games), I'm extremely triggered by the comparison to Wojo.
Wojo would crap his pants if he had to do PBP or color commentary of any kind. The guy’s got less charisma than a rock.
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Dead plant life, aina?
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It is just unfathomable to me that we’re going to retain Wojo. I have never experienced more apathy and negativity about #mubb. If MU thinks fans will just forget and get back on board next November they are doing a terrible job reading the room. My MU circle is comprised of dozens of even keeled fans, with moderate expectations and appreciation for how tough it is to win as a Catholic school in Milwaukee and yet they are all past the boiling point.
What concerns me is how many of my circles have just shifted into complete apathy.
None of this is good.
Absolutely. The bottom feeder continues its descent.
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Pitino and Iona cruising to an NCAA automatic invite.
Pretty good for his first year on the job.
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Pitino and Iona cruising to an NCAA automatic invite.
Pretty good for his first year on the job.
For a team in a 1 bid league (with some reasonably successful programs historically like Canisius, Manhattan, Monmouth, and Siena) this is Iona’s 10th conference tourney title and NCAA appearance in 20 years, across 3 coaches. That’s pretty remarkable
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Pretty good for his first year on the job.
Agree.
But.........Iona has won that tournament the last 5 years in a row. Some of those years were without RP as a coach.
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Indiana is no longer a
“Blue Blood “ ... they have lost 6 or
7 in a row to RUTGERS !!
They are a train wreck... just like MU.
Miller cannot get it done. Neither can
Wojo. But IU might act on it ...
I’m not sure Steve and staff know what they are in for at the FF next year
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Ok I did a double take at your use of FF, which to me means the Final Four....
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As a guy who does PBP for high schools games on local radio (and PA for college games), I'm extremely triggered by the comparison to Wojo.
From the bottom of my heart, my sincerest apologies! I'm sure you are actually good at the job!
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In depth Article on Iona and Pitino
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/13/sports/ncaabasketball/rick-pitino-iona-ncaa-tournament.html
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Ok I did a double take at your use of FF, which to me means the Final Four....
It does mean Final Four. Next year's FF is where the MU staff will be looking for work.
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From the bottom of my heart, my sincerest apologies! I'm sure you are actually good at the job!
Thanks Ellenson. LOL. Not to get too far off topic, but when you work in a small market, you don't really know for sure how good you are at the job (not a ton of desire to move up because the job allows me to continue to coach HS baseball, which is the real passion). Best gauge this year is whether players families were appreciative of your work with them not being able to attend all games in person, and a fair number of them were.
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It is just unfathomable to me that we’re going to retain Wojo. I have never experienced more apathy and negativity about #mubb. If MU thinks fans will just forget and get back on board next November they are doing a terrible job reading the room. My MU circle is comprised of dozens of even keeled fans, with moderate expectations and appreciation for how tough it is to win as a Catholic school in Milwaukee and yet they are all past the boiling point.
What concerns me is how many of my circles have just shifted into complete apathy.
None of this is good.
’how tough it is to win as a Catholic school in Milwaukee.’ What does that mean? What does that have to do with winning basketball games?
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Another day gone by, another day closer to the inevitable reality that Wojo returns next year.
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Another day gone by, another day closer to the inevitable reality that Wojo returns next year.
He’s coming back. There’s been absolutely no smoke about anything otherwise from anyone connected. And he’s not gonna jump to another job off that dumpster fire of a season.
On the bright side, the CBI should be back next year!
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I thought the CIT was postponed this year, but the CBI was still on. If those are the standards for what now qualifies as a successful MU season, may as well participate. No need to take the moral high ground if you are not willing to make a coaching change. What's becoming a CBI-level program may as well participate in the CBI.
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’how tough it is to win as a Catholic school in Milwaukee.’ What does that mean? What does that have to do with winning basketball games?
Damn good question. Especially especially when we see Gonzaga and Nova in the Final Four, and Creighton, Seton Hall, and Georgetown in the BE title game.
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He’s coming back. There’s been absolutely no smoke about anything otherwise from anyone connected. And he’s not gonna jump to another job off that dumpster fire of a season.
On the bright side, the CBI should be back next year!
This is so depressing
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Coach Ben Howland Mississippi State and Coach Todd Kowalczyk Toledo got into The NIT
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Coach Ben Howland Mississippi State and Coach Todd Kowalczyk Toledo got into The NIT
Congrats to Howland on being one win away from an NIT quarterfinal appearance. Those are a pretty big deal around here.
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Normally I would not post about the NIT but given Marquette has not won an NCAA game in 8 Years going on a Decade 10 the NIT interests me again and Shaka who did not think enough of our Program or our place in our new conference and walked away from MU won the last NIT title and now a BIG 12 tournament title.
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Normally I would not post about the NIT but given Marquette has not won an NCAA game in 8 Years going on a Decade 10 the NIT interests me again and Shaka who did not think enough of our Program or our place in our new conference and walked away from MU won the last NIT title and now a BIG 12 tournament title.
Shaka hasn’t exactly been the kingpin of the Big 10, er 12. Wasn’t he considered on the hot seat last year? Wojo hasn’t worked out. But I’m ok that Shaka took a pass. Think of the resources he has at Texas, but has played behind Kansas, Baylor, TT (Final 4), WVU, and maybe only on par with Oklahoma and Ok St. As for Howland? Meh. Whenever MU does move on from Wojo, I sure hope we go big. No assistant coaches. No mid-major coaches. Give Oates a call. Why not give Tony Bennett a call? Heck, give RickyP a call!! Swing big. Don’t strike out looking.
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Micah Shrewsberry to Penn State.
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Micah Shrewsberry to Penn State.
He’s highly regarded in many circles. Tough place to win. Will Dennis Gates to DePaul gain steam?
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Belmont didn't even get an NIT bid with 26 wins. What do we know about Casey Alexander and wouid he be a potential candidate for MU? I do agree that we should swing big but there appear to be many viable options.
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Belmont didn't even get an NIT bid with 26 wins. What do we know about Casey Alexander and wouid he be a potential candidate for MU? I do agree that we should swing big but there appear to be many viable options.
Never been out of Nashville
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Never been out of Nashville
Did he stay home for away games?
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Belmont didn't even get an NIT bid with 26 wins. What do we know about Casey Alexander and wouid he be a potential candidate for MU? I do agree that we should swing big but there appear to be many viable options.
Agree we need a coaching change since we are not winning and agree we should swing big too. Things are not nearly as bad as the Dukiet era. But remember Buzz did not want to coach in the new BE or for Marquette anymore. Conzo Martin did not want to from what I heard, Shaka did not want to from what I saw, Doc Rivers helped us get Wojo. Beilein would be my first choice or someone who could get the Wojo backing recruits, to stay or obviously anyone who can get us an NCAA win soon.We have top 10 attendance and need to swing big agreed.
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He’s highly regarded in many circles. Tough place to win. Will Dennis Gates to DePaul gain steam?
With Gates’ wife at BC, I would think that’s a real contender. Unless, they wouldn’t want that type of working relationship. I would think DePaul would be attractive to him being from Chicago.
If he’s patient, it would be interesting to see what jobs open up. He has to be one of the hottest names with his Assitant experience and what he’s done at CSU.
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Shaka hasn’t exactly been the kingpin of the Big 10, er 12. Wasn’t he considered on the hot seat last year? Wojo hasn’t worked out. But I’m ok that Shaka took a pass. Think of the resources he has at Texas, but has played behind Kansas, Baylor, TT (Final 4), WVU, and maybe only on par with Oklahoma and Ok St. As for Howland? Meh. Whenever MU does move on from Wojo, I sure hope we go big. No assistant coaches. No mid-major coaches. Give Oates a call. Why not give Tony Bennett a call? Heck, give RickyP a call!! Swing big. Don’t strike out looking.
Agree with You swing big. Watertown Native Oates just freshly inked extension with Alabama a couple Weeks ago. But agree why not give Tony Bennett and Rick Pitino a call. Beilein I feel is the best choice.
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Agree we need a coaching change since we are not winning and agree we should swing big too. Things are not nearly as bad as the Dukiet era. But remember Buzz did not want to coach in the new BE or for Marquette anymore. Conzo Martin did not want to from what I heard, Shaka did not want to from what I saw, Doc Rivers helped us get Wojo. Beilein would be my first choice or someone who could get the Wojo backing recruits, to stay or obviously anyone who can get us an NCAA win soon.We have top 10 attendance and need to swing big agreed.
Cuonzo and Shaka didn't care about the new conferences. Whoever told you that is mistaken.
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Cuonzo and Shaka didn't care about the new conferences. Whoever told you that is mistaken.
Correct. Specifically on Shaka, it was Mrs. Shaka not wanting to live in the midwest if I recall correctly....
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Correct. Specifically on Shaka, it was Mrs. Shaka not wanting to live in the midwest if I recall correctly....
I actually think neither one of them was all that interested in Marquette, but Shaka didn't want to dis Doc. She was the "bad cop."
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Cuonzo and Shaka didn't care about the new conferences. Whoever told you that is mistaken.
Thank You and Agree meant Cuonzo and Shaka did not want to coach at Marquette. Agree for them it had nothing to do with the conference.
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Bring Tony Bennett home
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I don’t think that’s accurate about Cuonzo. He pulled his name out after he had a bad interview and MU had decided to go with Wojo.
He removed his name to save face.
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I would love to see Rick Pitino make another NCAA run as HC of the Warriors!!
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Bring Tony Bennett home
If he would come, I'd take him in a heartbeat...but I don't think he'd come.
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If he would come, I'd take him in a heartbeat...but I don't think he'd come.
wasn’t TonyB an assistant at MU for a season? Either late under Deane, or first year w/Crean?
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wasn’t TonyB an assistant at MU for a season? Either late under Deane, or first year w/Crean?
No and he’ll never coach at Marquette
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Archie Miller out at Indiana
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Wojo to I4!
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Wojo to I4!
I’m just hoping this gets dominos falling to get a job he’d jump to.
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Archie Miller out at Indiana
My guess is they will make a hard run at Pitino or Scott Drew.
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Archie Miller out at Indiana
10.3 million dollar buyout. Wow...
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10.3 million dollar buyout. Wow...
I don’t get the insurmountable buyout arguments. The people who fund buyouts have more money than they did last year.
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No and he’ll never coach at Marquette
He almost did. Legend has it. Called back an hour too late.
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Archie Miller out at Indiana
What about 5 years to judge!!!!!!
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That makes two fanbases looking at Crean through sepia tinted glasses.
Private funding specifically for the buyout. Mark Cuban?
Pony up, scoopers.
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https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/indiana/2021/03/15/iu-basketball-fires-archie-miller-how-his-buyout-ranks-with-other-coaches/4700631001/
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What about 5 years to judge!!!!!!
Too quick of a hook IMHO but they did get worse this year when they should have gotten better. If the incoming coach can keep the roster together, he'll have a very good team in his first year. Only lose one player to graduation and should be adding Joey Brunk back from injury (starting center for last season's likely NCAA team) and UT Martin transfer Parker Stewart (scored 19 points a game).
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I don’t get the insurmountable buyout arguments. The people who fund buyouts have more money than they did last year.
A fact no one seems to want to acknowledge.
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Penn State looking to hire Micah Shrewsberry, per ESPN ! ! !
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31069459/sources-penn-state-basketball-hire-micah-shrewsberry-new-head-coach
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A fact no one seems to want to acknowledge.
That was something people talked about regarding the football buyouts.
That said, do we still have the deep-pocketed guys who would pony up for Wojo's buyout at MU anymore? Strong, the Wheelers, and Louis Meyer were three I remember from the Crean days.
Penn State looking to hire Micah Shrewsberry ! ! !
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31069459/sources-penn-state-basketball-hire-micah-shrewsberry-new-head-coach
He comes cheap compared to their other finalists. That's important for PSU.
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We are now starting to see coaches who were hired after Wojo, or right around the same time, get canned for not producing results. Good on IU for just ripping off the bandaid and getting themselves out of a situation that wasn’t working before more damage could be done.
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I don’t get the insurmountable buyout arguments. The people who fund buyouts have more money than they did last year.
While that is undoubtedly true, you would rather have them donate to something else rather than paying a buyout.
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While that is undoubtedly true, you would rather have them donate to something else rather than paying a buyout.
per their AD, the IU buyout was "philanthropic" for whatever that means.
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While that is undoubtedly true, you would rather have them donate to something else rather than paying a buyout.
The depth of the "loaded alums" pool is probably deeper at IU than at MU. There's only so many multi-millionaires who Lovell/Scholl can hit up for donations, and the university does have other projects. I've met a few "loaded alums", and while they are big hoops fans, I think they view the long-term academic success of the university as more important than who is on the sidelines of the Fiserv.
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Once again, no matter the school, if admin wants a coach fired, they find a way. A buyout does not prevent a coach from getting fired, if admin wants to make it happen.
For MU, we are keeping Wojo not because of his buyout but because - right or wrong - our admin LOVES, not likes, Wojo.
Simple (and frustrating) as that.
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per their AD, the IU buyout was "philanthropic" for whatever that means.
Doesn't that mean an alum donor agreed to pay the buyout for the university?
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Once again, no matter the school, if admin wants a coach fired, they find a way. A buyout does not prevent a coach from getting fired, if admin wants to make it happen.
For MU, we are keeping Wojo not because of his buyout but because - right or wrong - our admin LOVES, not likes, Wojo.
Simple (and frustrating) as that.
Agreed. If Indiana can pay $10 million to fire Archie, MU can pay Wojo’s buyout. Perhaps the optics of paying said buyout will be better now that IU’s set the bar so high. MU is, after all, a supposedly big time basketball program.
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Once again, no matter the school, if admin wants a coach fired, they find a way. A buyout does not prevent a coach from getting fired, if admin wants to make it happen.
For MU, we are keeping Wojo not because of his buyout but because - right or wrong - our admin LOVES, not likes, Wojo.
Simple (and frustrating) as that.
They find a way? In IU's case, based on the "philanthropic" comment, a bajillionaire stepped up to offer (or demanded) to pay the buyout. If MU has a donor do the same, Wojo would be gone yesterday.
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Pitino at IU would be awesome on many levels.
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Little Richard looks like he’s out at Minnesota per Goodman. Let’s keep the carousel moving.
https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/1371505405323571207?s=21
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They find a way? In IU's case, based on the "philanthropic" comment, a bajillionaire stepped up to offer (or demanded) to pay the buyout. If MU has a donor do the same, Wojo would be gone yesterday.
We have two world-renowned dentists and several successful businessmen right here on Scoop!
Come on, gang ... pony up the Benjamins!
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Once again, no matter the school, if admin wants a coach fired, they find a way. A buyout does not prevent a coach from getting fired, if admin wants to make it happen.
For MU, we are keeping Wojo not because of his buyout but because - right or wrong - our admin LOVES, not likes, Wojo.
Simple (and frustrating) as that.
Not quite. It is because admin has its head firmly embedded in Wojo-Dukiets ass.
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BC hiring Earl Grant from Charleston.
PS (three years from now): BC has fired Earl Grant.
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Little Richard looks like he’s out at Minnesota per Goodman. Let’s keep the carousel moving.
https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/1371505405323571207?s=21
Now show me Iowa State so we can try and snag Tyrese.
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BC hiring Earl Grant from Charleston.
PS (three years from now): BC has fired Earl Grant.
What in the world are they doing? Gates had to have turned them down right?
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BC hiring Earl Grant from Charleston.
PS (three years from now): BC has fired Earl Grant.
That seems quite underwhelming.
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They find a way? In IU's case, based on the "philanthropic" comment, a bajillionaire stepped up to offer (or demanded) to pay the buyout. If MU has a donor do the same, Wojo would be gone yesterday.
Yes. IU wanted Archie gone. Thus, they went to the donors to get it paid. Our admin doesn’t want Wojo gone. Thus, they are not actively seeking development opportunities to fundraise for a buyout.
In all honesty, if MU simply went to Wade, Butler, Rivers, Crowder, Matthews, Diener, et al, I’m pretty sure they would collectively cover a majority of it. The problem for MU admin is that whomever pays for buyout will want voice in who replacement is, and admin is very specific about type of coach they want. Again, tough position for fans to be in. Sustained winning at a high-level at MU is no longer an expectation, clearly.
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BC hiring Earl Grant from Charleston.
PS (three years from now): BC has fired Earl Grant.
And BC clearly no longer values winning. Wow.
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Yes. IU wanted Archie gone. Thus, they went to the donors to get it paid. Our admin doesn’t want Wojo gone. Thus, they are not actively seeking development opportunities to fundraise for a buyout.
In all honesty, if MU simply went to Wade, Butler, Rivers, Crowder, Matthews, Diener, et al, I’m pretty sure they would collectively cover a majority of it. The problem for MU admin is that whomever pays for buyout will want voice in who replacement is, and admin is very specific about type of coach they want. Again, tough position for fans to be in. Sustained winning at a high-level at MU is no longer an expectation, clearly.
Didn't rivers and Wade vouch for Wojo? I'm sure they could get the non team USA affiliated individuals but maybe Wade and Rivers wouldn't be as keen as one would expect
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Yes. IU wanted Archie gone. Thus, they went to the donors to get it paid. Our admin doesn’t want Wojo gone. Thus, they are not actively seeking development opportunities to fundraise for a buyout.
You know any of this how?
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Out after 4 years
No NCAA bids ( prob would have made it last year). Fans were booing him ..
Not competitive in B10
A traditional ( blue blood ? ) program that has gone in the toilet. Sub .500
this year w / long losing streak.
Hmmmm ...
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Didn't rivers and Wade vouch for Wojo? I'm sure they could get the non team USA affiliated individuals but maybe Wade and Rivers wouldn't be as keen as one would expect
True, but that was also 7 years ago. Both Wade and Rivers and LONG careers in the League. They know how this stuff plays out and that results speak louder than anything else. I don't think either would be suprised to see MU move on.
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You know any of this how?
Read the IU boards.
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Yes. IU wanted Archie gone. Thus, they went to the donors to get it paid. Our admin doesn’t want Wojo gone. Thus, they are not actively seeking development opportunities to fundraise for a buyout.
If someone came up to them and offer to pay the buy out, they would take it.
But if they would like to use their philanthropic resources on something else, like a new business building, my guess is they would rather wait another year for the buyout to be cheaper.
It's not that they "LOVE" Wojo. (Although I am sure they have a nice relationship.) Its that they would rather use their charitable resources on different projects and wait until next year and hope he can turn it around in the meantime.
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BC hiring Earl Grant from Charleston.
PS (three years from now): BC has fired Earl Grant.
What in the hell? I’d argue he’s not even the best up and coming coach in the CAA. And if they wanted an underwhelming hire from the CAA, why not grab Coen from Northeastern up the road? Former BC assistant, longer track record of success.
This is truly bizarre. Even if BC wanted a more diverse hire (which is something they got heat about post-Al Skinner), there are far better candidates that have been discussed than Grant.
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Read the IU boards.
Pretty sure he was asking about the latter part of your comment regarding MU.
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Read the IU boards.
The IU boards know what Marquette's administration is up to?
Sure.
As Fluffy said, it someone of means came forward and offered to cover MU's expenses, as at IU, the administration wouldn't say no.
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And his brother is still at UofA. I'd expect Archie to cheat like his brother in the future.... why not? It pays well.
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Leitao out at DePaul, officially. First BE job on the market this cycle.
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Didn't Norlander say just a few days ago that Indiana probably wouldn't open? Swing and a miss.
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Leitao out at DePaul, officially. First BE job on the market this cycle.
He won't be the only one... discuss amongst yourselves
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Leitao out at DePaul, officially. First BE job on the market this cycle.
If DePaul didn’t get a new AD, I wouldn’t have ruled out them accidentally rehiring him.
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Leitao out at DePaul, officially. First BE job on the market this cycle.
Gates at DePaul would be a home run hire. Surely DePaul will botch it
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Yes. IU wanted Archie gone. Thus, they went to the donors to get it paid. Our admin doesn’t want Wojo gone. Thus, they are not actively seeking development opportunities to fundraise for a buyout.
In all honesty, if MU simply went to Wade, Butler, Rivers, Crowder, Matthews, Diener, et al, I’m pretty sure they would collectively cover a majority of it. The problem for MU admin is that whomever pays for buyout will want voice in who replacement is, and admin is very specific about type of coach they want. Again, tough position for fans to be in. Sustained winning at a high-level at MU is no longer an expectation, clearly.
This is a laughably bad take. You think a bunch of NBA players and coaches are going to donate their money to fire a coach at a school they played for a decade or more ago? How much money do you think that group has donated to MU in the past few years? How many mu games do you think they actually watch a year?
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I think DePaul is going to make a surprisingly solid hire. Not great for us.
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I think DePaul is going to make a surprisingly solid hire. Not great for us.
They'll go after Gates, who Minnesota is now pursuing as well.
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Didn't Norlander say just a few days ago that Indiana probably wouldn't open? Swing and a miss.
He did include them in the "probably not" category vs. "definitely not", so more like a foul tip caught for an out:
Let's start with some coaching-cycle scuttlebutt. You better believe there are schools sending out feelers to people connected to coaches to politely gauge their interest in any potential openings. In talking to various sources in the past week, here's my impression as of today with power-conference gigs that have speculation around them and expectations in the coming days and weeks.
Jobs I've been told are definitely opening: DePaul, Minnesota.
Jobs I've been told are definitely not opening: Marquette, Miami, Notre Dame.
Jobs I've been told will probably not open: Indiana, Kansas State, South Carolina.
Job I've been told is more likely to open than not: Iowa State.
A unique situation no one can predict: Arizona.
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https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/indiana/2021/03/15/iu-basketball-fires-archie-miller-how-his-buyout-ranks-with-other-coaches/4700631001/
Props to Hoiberg's attorney.
Anything official on Leitao?
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Props to Hoiberg's attorney.
Anything official on Leitao?
It’s been tweeted out by a few writers as official.
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Whatever has gone wrong with my favorite team, March nevertheless always entertains.
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It’s been tweeted out by a few writers as official.
Thanks. Sun Times has it now.
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I think DePaul is going to make a surprisingly solid hire. Not great for us.
Archie Miller?
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Whatever has gone wrong with my favorite team, March nevertheless always entertains.
Flight Tracker szn!
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Whatever has gone wrong with my favorite team, March nevertheless always entertains.
No Mark Few?
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No Mark Few?
He's already in Indy :)
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He won't be the only one... discuss amongst yourselves
My initial thought is Creighton once they are eliminated. Second guess Butler if Matta is planning a comeback.
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My initial thought is Creighton once they are eliminated. Second guess Butler if Matta is planning a comeback.
Creighton? That would be strange to deem McDermott's comments to be offensive enough for a 1 game suspension only to later fire him. That would make Creighton look very bad. If they suspended him for the rest of the year and then fired him, that would be understandable. I don't see this happening.
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Is McDermott close to retirement age? Wonder if he'll ride off into the sunset as an analyst or something?
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Is McDermott close to retirement age? Wonder if he'll ride off into the sunset as an analyst or something?
Not really. 56-ish.
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Props to Hoiberg's attorney.
And Buzz's.
Oh, and I think folks can stop the "Marquette should go for Bennett or Oats" silliness now.
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My initial thought is Creighton once they are eliminated. Second guess Butler if Matta is planning a comeback.
How about Steele out at X in favor of a Pat Kelsey return.
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31070716/sources-depaul-blue-demons-fire-dave-leitao-5-straight-last-place-finishes (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31070716/sources-depaul-blue-demons-fire-dave-leitao-5-straight-last-place-finishes)
DePaul making a move.
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Rumors swirling Archie could be on the outs at IU. Four consecutive non-winning seasons in the Big Ten. Buyout would be $10 million.
It's official
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31070313/indiana-hoosiers-fire-coach-archie-miller-12-15-season-sources-say
IU us now a mid-tier B1G school, a carbon copy of Maryland, Minnesota, or Penn State
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31070716/sources-depaul-blue-demons-fire-dave-leitao-5-straight-last-place-finishes (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31070716/sources-depaul-blue-demons-fire-dave-leitao-5-straight-last-place-finishes)
DePaul making a move.
The only decent hire they could make is
1) Porter Moser
2) a hotshot assistant
The school has been where retreads go to die (or want to get paid).
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And Buzz's.
Oh, and I think folks can stop the "Marquette should go for Bennett or Oats" silliness now.
Add Matta and Belein into that mix as well. Dreamers.
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The only decent hire they could make is
1) Porter Goss
2) a hotshot assistant
The school has been where retreads go to die (or want to get paid).
Porter Goss would be an outside-the-box hire.
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I thought the CIT was postponed this year, but the CBI was still on. If those are the standards for what now qualifies as a successful MU season, may as well participate. No need to take the moral high ground if you are not willing to make a coaching change. What's becoming a CBI-level program may as well participate in the CBI.
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I thought the CIT was postponed this year, but the CBI was still on. If those are the standards for what now qualifies as a successful MU season, may as well participate. No need to take the moral high ground if you are not willing to make a coaching change. What's becoming a CBI-level program may as well participate in the CBI.
It is not football but in football a crappy bowl game is better than no bowl game at all.
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And Buzz's.
Oh, and I think folks can stop the "Marquette should go for Bennett or Oats" silliness now.
Yep. If MU were to fire Wojo, we would likely go after some assistant who has no more likelihood of success than Wojo.
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Yep. If MU were to fire Wojo, we would likely go after some assistant who has no more likelihood of success than Wojo.
Since Al, every MU hire has been promoted assistant except for Dukiet and Deane.
Promoted assistants ... Hank, Rick, O'Neill, Crean, and Wojo.
Not seeing any reason to think a retread would be a good hire.
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Indiana pulling off the band-aid regardless of buyout cost is the right move. They will hire an upgrade. Unfortunately, the MU brass is content with our program sliding into oblivion.
You are either confident you have the right coach or you are not. Its been 7 years here. No one with half a brain can be confident we us having the right coach. Meanwhile, avid fans become a little less avid. Season ticketholders start to decrease and the reconstruction of a program becomes more and more difficult with each passing year that you are irrelevant.
By my account, Georgetown and St. Johns have passed us by. We shall see who DePaul hires. We are a Gates hire away from possibly being the new DePaul.
Good job MU!
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Since Al, every MU hire has been promoted assistant except for Dukiet and Deane.
Promoted assistants ... Hank, Rick, O'Neill, Crean, and Wojo.
Not seeing any reason to think a retread would be a good hire.
Kelvin Sampson fired at Indiana
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The only decent hire they could make is
1) Porter Moser
2) a hotshot assistant
The school has been where retreads go to die (or want to get paid).
Seems to be a lot of chatter about Bryce Drew coming back to Chicago. He was very interested before they re-hired Leitao.
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Indiana pulling off the band-aid regardless of buyout cost is the right move. They will hire an upgrade. Unfortunately, the MU brass is content with our program sliding into oblivion.
You are either confident you have the right coach or you are not. Its been 7 years here. No one with half a brain can be confident we us having the right coach. Meanwhile, avid fans become a little less avid. Season ticketholders start to decrease and the reconstruction of a program becomes more and more difficult with each passing year that you are irrelevant.
By my account, Georgetown and St. Johns have passed us by. We shall see who DePaul hires. We are a Gates hire away from possibly being the new DePaul.
Good job MU!
6-8 weeks ago, did you think Georgetown had "passed us by"?
What has St. John's accomplished the last 2 decades that is materially superior to what Marquette has accomplished? Did they make the Final Four last season? I must have missed that. Are they headed there this year?
BTW - I agree with you that Marquette should pull off the Band-Aid and fire Wojo. I wanted him fired after the loss to DePaul. Still, the dramatic declarations that our program is doomed, destined to never win again ... it gets more over the top every day.
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5000 scoopers
$2000 each from their stimulus check.
Done deal.
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6-8 weeks ago, did you think Georgetown had "passed us by"?
What has St. John's accomplished the last 2 decades that is materially superior to what Marquette has accomplished? Did they make the Final Four last season? I must have missed that. Are they headed there this year?
BTW - I agree with you that Marquette should pull off the Band-Aid and fire Wojo. I wanted him fired after the loss to DePaul. Still, the dramatic declarations that our program is doomed, destined to never win again ... it gets more over the top every day.
I don’t think the poster you quoted meant “passed us by” in terms of program history, but rather the current hierarchy in terms of winning programs in the conference. St. John’s had a ton of momentum before Alexander got hurt, and Georgetown had a terrific run after their Covid pause. Whether those programs can sustain and build off that momentum remains to be seen, but they both did better than Marquette this year. DePaul is also going to get at least a one year head start on MU when it comes to rebuilding.
We may well have the worst coach in the conference. Such a predicament seemed unthinkable during the Crean/Buzz years.
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Can tell you DePaul is going after Orlando Antigua or Kenny Payne.
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St. John’s had a ton of momentum before Alexander got hurt,
Are injury excuses allowed now? Lewis and Theo would like to have a say then...
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Can tell you DePaul is going after Orlando Antigua or Kenny Payne.
Antigua was horrible at USF. That would be the most DePaul thing ever.
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Are injury excuses allowed now? Lewis and Theo would like to have a say then...
I wasn’t really making an excuse for them one way or the other, just saying they looked pretty good before Alexander got hurt. Anderson has done a pretty good job so far with that dumpster fire of a program, and he’s only in his second year.
But hey, Wojo will be back next year, so you’re getting what you want.
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Can tell you DePaul is going after Orlando Antigua or Kenny Payne.
Lot of smoke around Kenny Payne. I like both of these guys over Moser for them. Antigua bombed at USF but was/is a big time recruiter.
Jeff Borzello mentioned Bobby Hurley and Jon Scheyer as well
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Lot of smoke around Kenny Payne. I like both of these guys over Moser for them. Antigua bombed at USF but was/is a big time recruiter.
Jeff Borzello mentioned Bobby Hurley and Jon Scheyer as well
Scheyer, lol. Wojo 2.0
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31070716/sources-depaul-blue-demons-fire-dave-leitao-5-straight-last-place-finishes (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31070716/sources-depaul-blue-demons-fire-dave-leitao-5-straight-last-place-finishes)
DePaul making a move.
Richard Driehaus, whose name is on DePaul's well ranked business school, unexpectedly passed away last week. He was by all accounts and extremely generous guy generally and had a special place for DePaul.
You can rest assured there is a substantial donation coming through Driehaus' will.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/obituaries/ct-richard-driehaus-obit-20210310-xylg7ap5w5gu5miebrn2ejsni4-story.html
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Are injury excuses allowed now? Lewis and Theo would like to have a say then...
It's only an excuse if it's Marquette. Any other program, it's a "fact."
Whether those programs can sustain and build off that momentum remains to be seen
We agree.
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Each morning I wake up and check the headlines hoping to read MU and Wojo have parted ways. Each day I am met with disappointment. And each day that passes makes me think that I will be disappointed for another 365 ish days until we get the headline we want.
Just friggin do it.
Please.
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6-8 weeks ago, did you think Georgetown had "passed us by"?
What has St. John's accomplished the last 2 decades that is materially superior to what Marquette has accomplished? Did they make the Final Four last season? I must have missed that. Are they headed there this year?
BTW - I agree with you that Marquette should pull off the Band-Aid and fire Wojo. I wanted him fired after the loss to DePaul. Still, the dramatic declarations that our program is doomed, destined to never win again ... it gets more over the top every day.
St. Johns has made significant strides in a short time frame with Mike Anderson. They have an identity. They are getting better. They are on the right track.
Georgetown lost their 2 best players last year to transfers and I would have fired Ewing then. They have made huge strides this year and no one expected what they did to finish the year out. Its been 7 years and it is becoming increasingly clear we are trending downwards. Did I expect Georgetown to whip us and finish with a better record? No. But the standings say Georgetown 8, MU 9, Georgetown 2021 Conference Tourny Champs. MU can't sniff a semifinal run ever. Georgetown is still playing and we are out. Yes its one year but it is clear that we as a basketball program are no longer superior to Georgetown. That speaks volumes to the status of where our program is more than to what Georgetown is doing. Both stink and I don't want to stink.
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Richard Driehaus, whose name is on DePaul's well ranked business school, unexpectedly passed away last week. He was by all accounts and extremely generous guy generally and had a special place for DePaul.
You can rest assured there is a substantial donation coming through Driehaus' will.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/obituaries/ct-richard-driehaus-obit-20210310-xylg7ap5w5gu5miebrn2ejsni4-story.html
Off Topic but when I was in HS through Freshman/Soph at MU I worked Valet and coat check at his mansion in Lake Geneva when he had parties.
I met him a couple times. Very friendly guy and paid us VERY well. Got to drive some pretty expensive cars too.
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St. Johns has made significant strides in a short time frame with Mike Anderson. They have an identity. They are getting better. They are on the right track.
St. John's KenPom:
2018 - 74
2019 - 88
2020 - 66
2021 - 67
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Each morning I wake up and check the headlines hoping to read MU and Wojo have parted ways. Each day I am met with disappointment. And each day that passes makes me think that I will be disappointed for another 365 ish days until we get the headline we want.
Just friggin do it.
Please.
They aren't firing him. So either get used to waiting for a year, or find a different hobby.
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I've been very impressed with Anderson at SJU. Barring mass transfers or Champagnie going pro, I expect them to be in the top 2 or 3 of the conference next season. Could even be #1 if Nova loses multiple players to the draft.
Georgetown went on a helluva run to end the season. I'm not convinced it's sustainable. We will see.
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Off Topic but when I was in HS through Freshman/Soph at MU I worked Valet and coat check at his mansion in Lake Geneva when he had parties.
I met him a couple times. Very friendly guy and paid us VERY well. Got to drive some pretty expensive cars too.
Driehaus is a legend in Lake Geneva for how polite and generous he was to everyone. Favorite story about him is he had a party where there was a vintage Corvette at the party. Everyone got a Corvette key. Whomever's key turned the car on got to keep it as a party gift.
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Antigua was horrible at USF. That would be the most DePaul thing ever.
and there was a little academic fraud scandal that led to his firing.
https://www.news-journalonline.com/sports/20170103/usf-fires-coach-orlando-antigua-amid-academic-fraud-investigation
Doesn't the face in the photo scream "I'm the future DePaul Coach?"
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I've been very impressed with Anderson at SJU. Barring mass transfers or Champagnie going pro, I expect them to be in the top 2 or 3 of the conference next season. Could even be #1 if Nova loses multiple players to the draft.
Georgetown went on a helluva run to end the season. I'm not convinced it's sustainable. We will see.
Agree on both counts. I'd take Anderson over Ewing in a heartbeat.
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Georgetown lost their 2 best players last year to transfers and I would have fired Ewing then. They have made huge strides this year and no one expected what they did to finish the year out. Its been 7 years and it is becoming increasingly clear we are trending downwards. Did I expect Georgetown to whip us and finish with a better record? No. But the standings say Georgetown 8, MU 9, Georgetown 2021 Conference Tourny Champs. MU can't sniff a semifinal run ever. Georgetown is still playing and we are out. Yes its one year but it is clear that we as a basketball program are no longer superior to Georgetown. That speaks volumes to the status of where our program is more than to what Georgetown is doing. Both stink and I don't want to stink.
Ewing negotiated a six year, $18 million guaranteed contract and for a program with no NCAA credits since 2015, that was not an insignificant hurdle to ignore, even putting aside his celebrity status. With its poor attendance (Georgetown draws half of MU's attendance and at 3x the arena rental) it's not making the kind of money to afford buyouts.
The SEC football schools have an approach to this: you don't fire a coach until you have a good idea who (and how much) the successor will be. Kevin Sumlin was fired at Texas A&M on Nov 21, 2017, and Jimbo Fisher took the job nine days later.
Georgetown had no Plan A, Plan B or Plan C when they fired John Thompson IV in 2017 and that allowed the elder Thompson to get Ewing in the door. There literally were no candidates interviewed over a month before Ewing's name was surfaced through Thompson's channels. If Marquette makes a change next year, they need three serious candidates on speed dial and to get it signed within ten days; otherwise, transfers and perceptions go out the door.
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It looks like Little Ricky is out at Minnesota.
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Mike Anderson can coach. He’s had success at various places. Van Macon was a strong hire in part because he is good at recruiting local under the radar talent, and knows that landscape as well.
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I wasn’t really making an excuse for them one way or the other, just saying they looked pretty good before Alexander got hurt. Anderson has done a pretty good job so far with that dumpster fire of a program, and he’s only in his second year.
But hey, Wojo will be back next year, so you’re getting what you want.
I want Marquette to win. I'm not very certain Wojo can do that. But he's MU's coach next year, so I see no reason not to support him.
But that was a great deflection from your own hypocrisy!
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Scheyer would sprint to DePaul if offered the gig. His ultimate goal is eventually to get the Illinois job.
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Still don't know how Scheyer became this big coaching name. He was dumb as a rock.
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Still don't know how Scheyer became this big coaching name. He was dumb as a rock.
look no further than our bench.
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Kudos to IU and the donors ponying up to get an unsuccessful coach out.
Too bad MU is content with a dumpster fire of a men's bball program, but it is what it is.
Another miserable season ahead.
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I think the Marquette BOT should take notice of what's going on across the country and that many MU fans have had quite enough.
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Coaching changes saying Killings finalist for Albany
https://twitter.com/coachingchanges/status/1371562276147302402?s=21
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Still don't know how Scheyer became this big coaching name. He was dumb as a rock.
At this point, anybody that hires a former Duke assistant (or continues to retain one) are complete morons. Sounds like something DePaul would do though.
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Kudos to IU and the donors ponying up to get an unsuccessful coach out.
Too bad MU is content with a dumpster fire of a men's bball program, but it is what it is.
Another miserable season ahead.
Nothing is stopping you for either putting up $10 million in philanthropic donations or organizing a fundraiser to do so.
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Coaching changes saying Killings finalist for Albany
https://twitter.com/coachingchanges/status/1371562276147302402?s=21
If Killings goes to Albany , I would not be surprised if Sy goes with him.
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Nothing is stopping you for either putting up $10 million in philanthropic donations or organizing a fundraiser to do so.
From what I've heard, MU wouldn't fire Wojo even if a generous benefactor concerned with Wojo offered to pony up the needed cash for the buyout.
Wins and losses just do not matter to Lovell (at all) or to many on the BOT.
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I think the Marquette BOT should take notice of what's going on across the country and that many MU fans have had quite enough.
What is going on across the country? Two last place P6 teams fired their coaches, one made an underwhelming hire, the other appears heading for an underwhelming hire. Another P6 teams with a coach coming off two consecutive losing seasons with a chump change buyout is going to be fired. There's only been one firing of significance and in that case a donor agreed to pay the buyout for the school.
Maybe things heat up in a week here, but so far things have been relatively quiet.
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At this point, anybody that hires a former Duke assistant (or continues to retain one) are complete morons. Sounds like something DePaul would do though.
It is something that the MU Jughead atr doing.
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If Killings goes to Albany , I would not be surprised if Sy goes with him.
Wonder what our status would be with Mitchell and Justin Lewis at that point?
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Georgetown had no Plan A, Plan B or Plan C when they fired John Thompson IV in 2017 and that allowed the elder Thompson to get Ewing in the door. There literally were no candidates interviewed over a month before Ewing's name was surfaced through Thompson's channels. If Marquette makes a change next year, they need three serious candidates on speed dial and to get it signed within ten days; otherwise, transfers and perceptions go out the door.
I'm surprised to hear they were so disorganized in 2017. Whenever I see a major school moving slowly in the hiring process, I tend to assume that it's more from getting rejected by their primary choices than from lack of preparation. Except DePaul, of course. ;)
But you're absolutely right - every major school needs to have its top options on speed dial whenever they make a move. And frankly, they even ought to have a succession plan if they aren't planning to make a move, because you never know when a guy might get a different offer, suffer a health issue, or otherwise find reason to leave.
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What is going on across the country? Two last place P6 teams fired their coaches, one made an underwhelming hire, the other appears heading for an underwhelming hire. Another P6 teams with a coach coming off two consecutive losing seasons with a chump change buyout is going to be fired. There's only been one firing of significance and in that case a donor agreed to pay the buyout for the school.
Maybe things heat up in a week here, but so far things have been relatively quiet.
I think a lot of Coaches are getting a free pass for this season because of Covid. Schools have so much on their plate to ramp up for post covid, they don't want the distraction of a coaching search etc.
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Wonder what our status would be with Mitchell and Justin Lewis at that point?
Lewis unfollowed (or was never following) Wojo on Instagram.
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I'm surprised to hear they were so disorganized in 2017. Whenever I see a major school moving slowly in the hiring process, I tend to assume that it's more from getting rejected by their primary choices than from lack of preparation. Except DePaul, of course. ;)
But you're absolutely right - every major school needs to have its top options on speed dial whenever they make a move. And frankly, they even ought to have a succession plan if they aren't planning to make a move, because you never know when a guy might get a different offer, suffer a health issue, or otherwise find reason to leave.
They should also have a search firm ready to handle all of the background work that needs to get done these days.
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Lewis unfollowed (or was never following) Wojo on Instagram.
LOL....so this might be news. Or it might not be anything. Or somewhere in between.
Thanks for your service.
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LOL....so this might be news. Or it might not be anything. Or somewhere in between.
Thanks for your service.
You can make the choice of not responding. Or sounds like a pri**.
Thanks for your service.
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I think a lot of Coaches are getting a free pass for this season because of Covid. Schools have so much on their plate to ramp up for post covid, they don't want the distraction of a coaching search etc.
You and I are in agreement Mr. Cain
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From what I've heard, MU wouldn't fire Wojo even if a generous benefactor concerned with Wojo offered to pony up the needed cash for the buyout.
Wins and losses just do not matter to Lovell (at all) or to many on the BOT.
Try anyway. Donate the overage to the university.
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look no further than our bench.
Has the college basketball world learned nothing from the Wojo hire?
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Has the college basketball world learned nothing from the Wojo hire?
nope. They're blinded by the Duke aura. Just as MU was when we learned nothing from Henderson, Dawkins, Snyder, Amaker, or Collins.
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I've been very impressed with Anderson at SJU. Barring mass transfers or Champagnie going pro, I expect them to be in the top 2 or 3 of the conference next season. Could even be #1 if Nova loses multiple players to the draft.
Georgetown went on a helluva run to end the season. I'm not convinced it's sustainable. We will see.
Good brief summary of the situations, and I agree.
If either program had been to the NCAA tourney 3 of the previous 4 years, even if they didn't win a tourney game, that fact would be used by 1,000 Scoopers as proof that their programs are killing Marquette.
Marquette was in the tourney 3 of 4 years, and the lack of a tourney win has been used a billion times as proof that our program is doomed.
Like you, TAMU, I am not satisfied with the direction of the Marquette program. As you know, I think Wojo should have been fired in January. He wasn't. It doesn't appear he will be fired now. I am a Marquette fan and I will root for Wojo to succeed next season, even though it's quite likely that he won't. If he doesn't, I sure as hell hope he gets fired a year from now.
Having said all that, I see little evidence that St. John's and Georgetown have passed Marquette. Other than Villanova, Creighton and possibly UConn, the next 7 BEast programs are in one big jumble until we get to DePaul, a laughingstock.
That's not good enough for Marquette. There is no reason Creighton should be a better program. We all want more.
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Remember when folks used to spout 'trajectory' as a positive term for Wojo?
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From what I've heard, MU wouldn't fire Wojo even if a generous benefactor concerned with Wojo offered to pony up the needed cash for the buyout.
Wins and losses just do not matter to Lovell (at all) or to many on the BOT.
So does this mean he gets a lifetime contract/they will never fire him?
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Remember when folks used to spout 'trajectory' as a positive term for Wojo?
This season was a mess, no doubt. Up through the middle of last season (2019), Wojo did appear to have Marquette with a positive trajectory - even post Hausers (wins vs Purdue, USC, KSU, Nova, X) It's come crashing down for sure, but it wasn't some asinine argument at the time.
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From what I've heard, MU wouldn't fire Wojo even if a generous benefactor concerned with Wojo offered to pony up the needed cash for the buyout.
Wins and losses just do not matter to Lovell (at all) or to many on the BOT.
if what you are hearing is correct, what would be the criteria to initiate a coaching change? graduation rates don’t put butts in the seats.
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This season was a mess, no doubt. Up through the middle of last season (2019), Wojo did appear to have Marquette with a positive trajectory - even post Hausers (wins vs Purdue, USC, KSU, Nova, X) It's come crashing down for sure, but it wasn't some asinine argument at the time.
Sure, I wouldn't call it asinine. But last season was also a mess (ended up sub .500 in conference with a first team All American). And the year before that was a complete collapse. And the four years before that we received zero top 25 votes.
Outside of that sure, things were okay.
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Good brief summary of the situations, and I agree.
If either program had been to the NCAA tourney 3 of the previous 4 years, even if they didn't win a tourney game, that fact would be used by 1,000 Scoopers as proof that their programs are killing Marquette.
Marquette was in the tourney 3 of 4 years, and the lack of a tourney win has been used a billion times as proof that our program is doomed.
Like you, TAMU, I am not satisfied with the direction of the Marquette program. As you know, I think Wojo should have been fired in January. He wasn't. It doesn't appear he will be fired now. I am a Marquette fan and I will root for Wojo to succeed next season, even though it's quite likely that he won't. If he doesn't, I sure as hell hope he gets fired a year from now.
Having said all that, I see little evidence that St. John's and Georgetown have passed Marquette. Other than Villanova, Creighton and possibly UConn, the next 7 BEast programs are in one big jumble until we get to DePaul, a laughingstock.
That's not good enough for Marquette. There is no reason Creighton should be a better program. We all want more.
I think Georgetown will be the best team in the Big East over the next decade.
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Killings to Albany.
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Killings to Albany.
Which mediocre youngish Duke alum will Wojo find to replace him?
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Wojo has more assistants become head coaches than NCAA tournament appearances (Nelson, Stan, Killings). That has to be a record.
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Wojo has more assistants become head coaches than NCAA tournament appearances (Nelson, Stan, Killings). That has to be a record.
It’s sort of remarkable he’s had more guys hired than Buzz did. No idea what it means, probably nothing, just remarkable
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It’s sort of remarkable he’s had more guys hired than Buzz did. No idea what it means, probably nothing, just remarkable
The Wojo coaching tree. Some here might hyperbolically claim his assistants learn a lot from all the failure they experience at MU.
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I think Georgetown will be the best team in the Big East over the next decade.
OK, maybe you'll be right.
Two months ago, Georgetown was battling DePaul for the basement and pundits were saying Ewing wouldn't get fired only because he was Patrick Ewing and it was Georgetown.
Now, he's a great coach, and his team will be better even than Villanova over the next decade.
Anything's possible!
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This season was a mess, no doubt. Up through the middle of last season (2019), Wojo did appear to have Marquette with a positive trajectory - even post Hausers (wins vs Purdue, USC, KSU, Nova, X) It's come crashing down for sure, but it wasn't some asinine argument at the time.
Well Wojo-Dukiet has certainly voided that argument by now.
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Which mediocre youngish Duke alum will Wojo find to replace him?
Wojo has hired one Duke alum as an assistant coach and it was on his first staff.
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It’s sort of remarkable he’s had more guys hired than Buzz did. No idea what it means, probably nothing, just remarkable
It means he casts a wide net and hires people with good reputations.
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Wojo has hired one Duke alum as an assistant coach and it was on his first staff.
It was a joke. Next to chance it’s gonna be someone with more experience than him, but the Duke part was tongue in cheek
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We have two world-renowned dentists and several successful businessmen right here on Scoop!
Come on, gang ... pony up the Benjamins!
Don't forget Hards, hey?
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Wojo has hired one Duke alum as an assistant coach and it was on his first staff.
Pretty sure it’s two. Wasn’t Tyler Thornton a grad assistant? There was definitely a Duke grad assistant at one point
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It’s sort of remarkable he’s had more guys hired than Buzz did. No idea what it means, probably nothing, just remarkable
They’ve all become expert at PowerPoint presentations.
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Pretty sure it’s two. Wasn’t Tyler Thornton a grad assistant? There was definitely a Duke grad assistant at one point
I specifically said assistant coach.
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Prohm is gone.
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Yet another school taking quick, decisive action to rid themselves of a lame duck coach while we sit on our hands. So frustrating.
Wonder if Hoiberg would go back to ISU.
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Yet another school taking quick, decisive action to rid themselves of a lame duck coach while we sit on our hands. So frustrating.
Wonder if Hoiberg would go back to ISU.
He’s not happy at Nebraska
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TJO to ISU, Wojo to UNLV?
Didn’t wojo flirt with UNLV in the past?
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I kind of feel like the ship has sailed on Wojo getting hired away.
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TJO to ISU, Wojo to UNLV?
Didn’t wojo flirt with UNLV in the past?
And who would we get at MU?
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And who would we get at MU?
Why don't we just trade UNLV directly? TJ for Wojo and a player to be named later.
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I don’t know what is more depressing: that MU is stuck with Wojo or that all these other schools (public/private, large, small) are apparently in that much stronger financial state with donors to make changes when their coaches underperform.
I guess other schools’ faculty isn’t as vocal or as upset as ours is.
Regardless, not a good perception either way...
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I don’t know what is more depressing: that MU is stuck with Wojo or that all these other schools (public/private, large, small) are apparently in that much stronger financial state with donors to make changes when their coaches underperform.
I guess other schools’ faculty isn’t as vocal or as upset as ours is.
Regardless, not a good perception either way...
Financial state. That's hugely depressing
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I want Marquette to win. I'm not very certain Wojo can do that. But he's MU's coach next year, so I see no reason not to support him.
But that was a great deflection from your own hypocrisy!
You want Marquette to win, but you're "not very certain Wojo can do that."
There's a terrific scene in the movie Foxcatcher where Mark Ruffalo, playing Olympic wrestling champion Mark Schultz, is asked to step in front of a camera and praise billionaire John Du Pont (Steve Carrell) for his role as a coach and mentor, even though Du Pont was a bumbling idiot who knew nothing about wrestling. And Ruffalo's character tries to do it, you can tell he has the words in his head, but he just can't bring himself to say them. He physically cannot get the words to leave his lips. It's a terrific piece of film acting, and is probably the reason Ruffalo got an Oscar nom for the role.
And that's sort of what you're like when it comes to Wojo. If I sat you down in front of a camera and said, "rocky_warrior, say Wojo sucks and you think he should be fired," you couldn't do it. You might be able to say something like, "I'm not certain Wojo will be able to win here." But you wouldn't be able to say he sucks, and that you think he should be fired.
Well, I'm giving you the chance, rocky. Say you think Wojo sucks, and that he should be fired. Come on, just say it, it's not that hard. Heck, you wouldn't even really be saying it out loud, you'd be typing it. And none of us will judge you. "Wojo sucks, and he should be fired." Try it out and see how it feels.
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We have a lot of folks here whining that other schools' donors are stepping up but ours aren't.
Well ... step up!
Sell your houses, sell your cars, sell your daughters ... whatever it takes to get money for Wojo's buyout!!!
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I don’t know what is more depressing: that MU is stuck with Wojo or that all these other schools (public/private, large, small) are apparently in that much stronger financial state with donors to make changes when their coaches underperform.
I guess other schools’ faculty isn’t as vocal or as upset as ours is.
Regardless, not a good perception either way...
Our financial position is due to more than just Covid. Covid just accelerated and amplified it. I don’t know that these other schools are in as bad if shape.
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Well millennials are starting to realize overpriced liberal arts degrees will barely be able to pay off the massive loan a large number of them will end up taking on.
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You want Marquette to win, but you're "not very certain Wojo can do that."
There's a terrific scene in the movie Foxcatcher where Mark Ruffalo, playing Olympic wrestling champion Mark Schultz, is asked to step in front of a camera and praise billionaire John Du Pont (Steve Carrell) for his role as a coach and mentor, even though Du Pont was a bumbling idiot who knew nothing about wrestling. And Ruffalo's character tries to do it, you can tell he has the words in his head, but he just can't bring himself to say them. He physically cannot get the words to leave his lips. It's a terrific piece of film acting, and is probably the reason Ruffalo got an Oscar nom for the role.
And that's sort of what you're like when it comes to Wojo. If I sat you down in front of a camera and said, "rocky_warrior, say Wojo sucks and you think he should be fired," you couldn't do it. You might be able to say something like, "I'm not certain Wojo will be able to win here." But you wouldn't be able to say he sucks, and that you think he should be fired.
Well, I'm giving you the chance, rocky. Say you think Wojo sucks, and that he should be fired. Come on, just say it, it's not that hard. Heck, you wouldn't even really be saying it out loud, you'd be typing it. And none of us will judge you. "Wojo sucks, and he should be fired." Try it out and see how it feels.
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Yet another school taking quick, decisive action to rid themselves of a lame duck coach while we sit on our hands. So frustrating.
Yes. Iowa State was very quick and decisive. It only took 3 losing seasons in 4 years, two lower KenPom finishes than Wojo has ever had (and a 3rd lower than anything in the last 5 years), and a 2-22 season to get them to move. Extremely quick and decisive.
I want Wojo fired. I hope the university comes to the conclusion that it makes more financial sense to fire Wojo than keep him. But there's no world in which this was quick and decisive by Iowa St.
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We have a lot of folks here whining that other schools' donors are stepping up but ours aren't.
Well ... step up!
Sell your houses, sell your cars, sell your daughters ... whatever it takes to get money for Wojo's buyout!!!
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Sun Times with DePaul targets.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/2021/3/15/22327434/depaul-basketball-coaching-search-porter-moser
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Well, I'm giving you the chance, rocky. Say you think Wojo sucks, and that he should be fired. Come on, just say it, it's not that hard. Heck, you wouldn't even really be saying it out loud, you'd be typing it. And none of us will judge you. "Wojo sucks, and he should be fired." Try it out and see how it feels.
So, you just want to pressure people to be lemmings and follow your train wreck of thoughts? No thanks.
It doesn't matter whether I would fire Wojo or not. Once they make me his boss I'll let you know my final decision, and the thinking that went into it.
I certainly understand why people aren't pleased with MU's performance the past three years. I can also understand that the administration sees a clean program that would have made 2 tourneys and had a bad "covid" year in the past 3 years. If they keep him I'll support MU. IF they dump him, I'll support MU.
Sorry that it doesn't follow your lemming-like logic.
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If they keep him I'll support MU. IF they dump him, I'll support MU.
What a novel concept. I like it!
#pleasedon’tcallmealemming
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Haven’t seen this posted yet: BC hires Earl Grant from College of Charleston. Um, interesting, especially with BC alumni Mark Schmidt out there. Oh, and Wojo...
https://collegehoopstoday.com/index.php/rothstein-files/sources-boston-college-hires-charlestons-earl-grant-as-its-next-head-basketball-coach/
A middling low to mid major coach is what a search firm recommended.
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Haven’t seen this posted yet: BC hires Earl Grant from College of Charleston. Um, interesting, especially with BC alumni Mark Schmidt out there. Oh, and Wojo...
https://collegehoopstoday.com/index.php/rothstein-files/sources-boston-college-hires-charlestons-earl-grant-as-its-next-head-basketball-coach/
A middling low to mid major coach is what a search firm recommended.
Guess it shouldn’t be too surprising given the last time it was open, they turned to Jim Christian who was AWFUL at TCU, went to OU, had 2 decent but not great years (the second of which they weren’t even top 2 in their division in a lackluster MAC), and then somehow got a better job than before he failed miserably at a higher level before
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Guess it shouldn’t be too surprising given the last time it was open, they turned to Jim Christian who was AWFUL at TCU, went to OU, had 2 decent but not great years (the second of which they weren’t even top 2 in their division in a lackluster MAC), and then somehow got a better job than before he failed miserably at a higher level before
They had a great AD in Martin Jarmond who recently left for UCLA. Reading some BC reactions many pin the blame on long time BC President and former MU #2, Father Lehey.
BC just doesn’t care about hoops. They shouldn’t have fired Al Skinner.
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If they keep him I'll support MU. IF they dump him, I'll support MU.
A difficult concept for some.
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Little Ricky hired by New Mexico.
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Little Ricky hired by New Mexico.
Great!
That means the REAL Pitino is still available for Marquette!!!
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Sorry, Hoosiers, Brad Stevens ain't walking through that door.
https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/indiana/2021/03/16/indiana-basketball-archie-miller-brad-stevens-reacts-rumors/4719454001/
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Dave Paulsen out at George Mason. A-10 school and a good stepping stone job.
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Dave Paulsen out at George Mason. A-10 school and a good stepping stone job.
hence, match made for Wojo?
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Dave Paulsen out at George Mason. A-10 school and a good stepping stone job.
Fairfax is only an hour from Baltimore.... 8-)
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Sy and Wojo to George Mason #packagedeal
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Utah is seeking a new Head Basketball Coach.
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Utah is seeking a new Head Basketball Coach.
Mutually parted ways. Anyways wonder what that actually means
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Utah is seeking a new Head Basketball Coach.
Did you say Utes? What's a Ute?
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Mutually parted ways. Anyways wonder what that actually means
“You haven’t won much of anything since Kuzma left and you don’t have a buyout, so let’s pretend this was mutual, yea?”
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Mutually parted ways. Anyways wonder what that actually means
Not for cause. Eligible for rehire (but we won't...)
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Mutually parted ways. Anyways wonder what that actually means
Reduced buyout. Not a firing. Not a new job. Terms of an agreed separation.
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Mutually parted ways. Anyways wonder what that actually means
If you read the school release it is very one sided that he was fired. GIve me a sec to find it.
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Mutually parted ways. Anyways wonder what that actually means
It means he's perfect for being Wojo's #1 assistant. Come back to Milwaukee, Krysto!
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Utah is seeking a new Head Basketball Coach.
Isn’t Wojo’s wife from Utah? I thought I read there here somewhere.
Maybe she’ll want to go home. I’ve heard she doesn’t like Milwaukee
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Utah is seeking a new Head Basketball Coach.
Wojo would take that job in a heartbeat.
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Perhaps MU is targeting a coach in the Tourney. Then again, Wardle is still available, aina?
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Perhaps MU is targeting a coach in the Tourney. Then again, Wardle is still available, aina?
Bring Brian Wardle home
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Isn’t Wojo’s wife from Utah? I thought I read there here somewhere.
Yes. Her mom worked at the University.
If he's looking for a soft landing this one makes some sense.
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Yes. Her mom worked at the University.
If he's looking for a soft landing this one makes some sense.
You know what they say, you always want to work where your mother in law once worked
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Coaching Changes speculating it’s so they can hire Craig Smith. Is Wojo an upgrade over Larry K?
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Coaching Changes speculating it’s so they can hire Craig Smith. Is Wojo an upgrade over Larry K?
Wonder if that’s a move Smith would make. That would be something to leave Utah State for Utah
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Wojo would take that job in a heartbeat.
Why?
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Why?
Ok Hermie. Saw other thread you started. Good luck
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Did you say Utes? What's a Ute?
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-TfQlwLAlxGs/V98Qj8K0kaI/AAAAAAAAKJk/jPYMx-TrW4s1a1nojxV0lt_3aGSfUslsgCLcB/s1600/xy2jPR0.gif)
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Otzelberger is your new Cyclones head coach.
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Otzelberger is your new Cyclones head coach.
That was quick.
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That was quick.
Wojo supposedly kicked the tires with UNLV a couple years ago.
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Otzelberger is your new Cyclones head coach.
News coming from Las Vegas on this. No one else reporting it yet but it makes a lot of sense based on what the ISU AD said Monday.
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I thought the CIT was postponed this year, but the CBI was still on. If those are the standards for what now qualifies as a successful MU season, may as well participate. No need to take the moral high ground if you are not willing to make a coaching change. What's becoming a CBI-level program may as well participate in the CBI.
Am a Nojo but the school turned down my offer to pay half the CBI entry fees. Will pay for JWags85 real name.
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Maybe Iowa State moved quick thinking another job that might appeal to TJO could be opening 🤔
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News coming from Las Vegas on this. No one else reporting it yet but it makes a lot of sense based on what the ISU AD said Monday.
HoopDirt reporting it too.
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I have believed for awhile Tom Crean would be the perfect guy to bring DePaul back.
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Maybe Iowa State moved quick thinking another job that might appeal to TJO could be opening 🤔
They can have him.
Don't get the TJO love, other than his local ties. He inherited a good situation - and Mike Daum - at SDSU and had things trending in the wrong direction at UNLV (though, to be fair, had a nice recruiting class coming in).
If Wojo were ousted, he would be fairly far down my list of candidates.
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https://twitter.com/utebuntu/status/1371989464646447107?s=21
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DePaul interviewed Damon Stoudamire this morning.
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DePaul interviewed Damon Stoudamire this morning.
70-76 at Pacific, including 33-47 in the WCC.
DePaul doing DePaul things.
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70-76 at Pacific, including 33-47 in the WCC.
DePaul doing DePaul things.
He did inherit a program on probation with scholarship reductions, and that had just jumped from the Big West to WCC. People are enamored by hit Memphis ties. He's better than I would expect DePaul to do as I have such a low bar for them.
Gates is their #1 choice right now.
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He did inherit a program on probation with scholarship reductions, and that had just jumped from the Big West to WCC.
So he struggled because he inherited a struggling program at a difficult time...as opposed to what he'd be doing at DePaul?
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So he struggled because he inherited a struggling program at a difficult time...as opposed to what he'd be doing at DePaul?
They’d be better off going the Kenny Payne route
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So he struggled because he inherited a struggling program at a difficult time...as opposed to what he'd be doing at DePaul?
DePaul is a better situation. Pacific lost six scholarships due to the sanctions and reductions in recruiting.
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So he struggled because he inherited a struggling program at a difficult time...as opposed to what he'd be doing at DePaul?
They only had seven scholarships in his first year at Pacific because of self reductions and NCAA penalties. After four years, he had them at 23-10 and was the WCC coach of the year.
Honestly I think he needs another step before DePaul, but it isn't completely out of nowhere to interview him.
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DePaul is a better situation. Pacific lost six scholarships due to the sanctions and reductions in recruiting.
Did Pacific take the heat for Kansas or North Carolina with those reductions?
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The noise surrounding Stoudemire is he's Arizona's next coach whether it will be this year or next year when Miller's contract expires.
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DePaul is a better situation. Pacific lost six scholarships due to the sanctions and reductions in recruiting.
There was a lot more than that that he needed to clean up as well. He has done a great job and has the right varied experience.
As you and I agree, we are both Todd Golden fans but Damon is more ready for the jump up.
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So...Wojo want to try out the Tampa / St. Pete area?
https://twitter.com/CollinSherwin/status/1372567065651990532
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So...Wojo want to try out the Tampa / St. Pete area?
https://twitter.com/CollinSherwin/status/1372567065651990532
He runs a clean program !
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T.J. Otz to Iowa St.
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T.J. Otz to Iowa St.
Lets hope UNLV reaches out to Wojo.
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Lets hope UNLV reaches out to Wojo.
And hope they didn't read Cracked Sidewalks this morning.
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Multiple good candidates in mix for UNLV
Lavin and Pitino Sr both want the job
https://www.reviewjournal.com/sports/unlv/unlv-basketball/front-runners-to-be-next-unlv-basketball-coach-2306861/
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No they don't
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No they don't
Just going by what the article says
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No they don't
Did you talk to them?
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Just going by what the article says
Narrator: It's not what the article says
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Did you talk to them?
Illogical.
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Haven't seen this mentioned yet. Chris Mack just canned two assistants, one of them being Luke Murray. Experienced assistant, Big East ties, from Chicago area... We could do worse than having Bill Murray roaming the FF at halftime next year.
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Illogical.
I can read an article and make a confident statement too. Alas we're all reading the same article. Save the "insider" talk unless you have a scoop.
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Haven't seen this mentioned yet. Chris Mack just canned two assistants, one of them being Luke Murray. Experienced assistant, Big East ties, from Chicago area... We could do worse than having Bill Murray roaming the FF at halftime next year.
He’s great in comedies. Natural fit.
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He’s great in comedies. Natural fit.
Louisville has a bad year and Mack makes the changes necessary to show the fan base he wants to do right. Even if that means firing long time assistant Luke Murray.
I wonder what Wojo does?
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Louisville has a bad year and Mack makes the changes necessary to show the fan base he wants to do right. Even if that means firing long time assistant Luke Murray.
I wonder what Wojo does?
I sense that Wojo-Dukiet will develop a huge smile as the slurpers circle the wagons in his defense and he feels the admin pushing their heads further up his kielbasa. They are all hoping to weather this current storm for a couple weeks until everybody becomes bored. After all, there is always next year.
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Louisville has a bad year and Mack makes the changes necessary to show the fan base he wants to do right. Even if that means firing long time assistant Luke Murray.
I wonder what Wojo does?
Oh, give me a break.
If Wojo woke up tomorrow and fired Justin Gainey and Rob Judson, you'd be here screaming that he was throwing his assistants under the bus. Which is what Mack is doing.
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Oh, give me a break.
If Wojo woke up tomorrow and fired Justin Gainey and Rob Judson, you'd be here screaming that he was throwing his assistants under the bus. Which is what Mack is doing.
You give me a break. I would applaud him for looking to move in a different direction and acknowledging change is needed to save his job.
I don’t expect him to have the balls to do it.
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You give me a break. I would applaud him for looking to move in a different direction and acknowledging change is needed to save his job.
I don’t expect him to have the balls to do it.
Agree. Presutti and Judson should be sent packing. Unfortunately, because we’ve already lost Killings, Presutti’s probably taken on some of his workload.
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Louisville has a bad year and Mack makes the changes necessary to show the fan base he wants to do right. Even if that means firing long time assistant Luke Murray.
I wonder what Wojo does?
*yawn*
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A new name swirling at Minnesota: Mike Boynton. No ties to Minnesota or the Midwest, but there is a big media push for them to hire a minority coach.
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Lot of smoke about Stevens to Indiana right now.
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Lot of smoke about Stevens to Indiana right now.
How would that work logistically. Can't personally remember a current NBA coach accepting a college gig mid-season
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How would that work logistically. Can't personally remember a current NBA coach accepting a college gig mid-season
I don’t know a mutual parting of the way would hurt him and the Celtics
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I don’t know a mutual parting of the way would hurt him and the Celtics
Based on Titus and some Reddit posters with supposed connections, there’s the IU piece and then negotiating with the Celtics. It does sound like both sides might be ready for a fresh start.
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Lot of smoke about Stevens to Indiana right now.
Except he's literally said on multiple occasions he isn't taking the job. He wouldn't be the first coach to say one thing and do another, but he's seemed pretty firm. Not sure why any coach would willingly choose college over the NBA.
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Except he's literally said on multiple occasions he isn't taking the job. He wouldn't be the first coach to say one thing and do another, but he's seemed pretty firm. Not sure why any coach would willingly choose college over the NBA.
Because there's a real chance Stevens gets sh!t canned at the end of the season.
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What’s Stevens going to say at this point unless it’s all buttoned up? If it falls through with Indiana, it’s tough to go back to your current job after saying you were interested in leaving. If you say you are staying and leave, you get added to the list of hundreds of coaches who did he same thing.
I’m still doubtful it happens, but it sounds much different than it would have 3 years ago. Whether it’s Indiana or another pro job, it doesn’t sound like he will be the Celtics coach next year.
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Except he's literally said on multiple occasions he isn't taking the job. He wouldn't be the first coach to say one thing and do another, but he's seemed pretty firm. Not sure why any coach would willingly choose college over the NBA.
Sometimes the writing is on the wall. Cash your checks while they are still available.
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A new name swirling at Minnesota: Mike Boynton. No ties to Minnesota or the Midwest, but there is a big media push for them to hire a minority coach.
Odd. Other than money, I think OK St is a better job. More history and recent success. Location. Minneapolis has produced a lot of talent recently, but OK St is as close to multiple hubs (Dallas, Memphis, Houston) as Minnesota is to Chicago. More of a wide open conference after KU.
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Because there's a real chance Stevens gets sh!t canned at the end of the season.
If the Celtics fired Stevens, he'd have another NBA gig before the start of next season.
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They aren't firing him. So either get used to waiting for a year, or find a different hobby.
Glad to say this post was wrong and my hobby was rewarded. WOO!
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A friend of mine who lives in Ohio just posted this on Facebook:
"I am completely and utterly DONE with the Chris Holtmann era. It's the exact same thing every game, every season, and when it ends up biting them he always pretends it's completely inexplicable and something that just can't be fixed. Every single time one of his teams gets put in a high-pressure situation it crumbles. Every. single. time. If only there was someone who is getting paid millions of dollars to correct that potentially fatal flaw!"
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A friend of mine who lives in Ohio just posted this on Facebook:
"I am completely and utterly DONE with the Chris Holtmann era. It's the exact same thing every game, every season, and when it ends up biting them he always pretends it's completely inexplicable and something that just can't be fixed. Every single time one of his teams gets put in a high-pressure situation it crumbles. Every. single. time. If only there was someone who is getting paid millions of dollars to correct that potentially fatal flaw!"
Hard to blame him for feeling that way. That was an absolute embarrassment of a showing. I’d be willing to bet Oral Roberts has actually played better this year and still pulled out the massive upset. And that last possession that ends in a desperation step back 3 falls on Holtmann. That was a Wojo-esque final possession. I’d be upset too.
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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/boston-celtics-coach-brad-stevens-not-interested-indiana-job-archie-miller-mpretty boy-224739680.html
This seems relatively definitive about Brad's return to college. He is a Celtic until they fire him.
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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/boston-celtics-coach-brad-stevens-not-interested-indiana-job-archie-miller-mpretty boy-224739680.html
This seems relatively definitive about Brad's return to college. He is a Celtic until they fire him.
Unless I had used up my NBA chips -- like Cal, Pitino or Kruger -- I would never go back to college if I were a coach.
An NBA coach works long, hard hours, all coaches do. An NBA coach loses sleep trying to figure out how to improve, all coaches do. But NBA coaches can still have lives because they don't have to spend every moment they are away from their teams recruiting teenagers.
Stevens isn't close to having cashed in his NBA chips. If the Celtics dump him, he will have his choice of at least a half-dozen NBA jobs, many of which might be very good. Kind of like after Rivers got dumped by the Clippers.
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Kevin Kruger (Lon’s son) your new Runnin Rebs head coach.
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Kevin Kruger (Lon’s son) your new Runnin Rebs head coach.
Yuck. Pitino rumors, Jason Kidd rumors, pretty decent interest last time it was open...and they get a young assistant whose biggest accomplishment is his name?
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Kevin Kruger (Lon’s son) your new Runnin Rebs head coach.
The last time UNLV won a tourney game Kevin was their PG.
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The last time UNLV won a tourney game Kevin was their PG.
Was that the upset over 2 seed Wisconsin?
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https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/1374089198303649800
Minnesota expected to hire Xavier assistant coach Ben Johnson as its next head coach
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https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/1374089198303649800
Minnesota expected to hire Xavier assistant coach Ben Johnson as its next head coach
And people here really though the Minnesota job was better than Marquette ::)
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And people here really though the Minnesota job was better than Marquette ::)
My first thought exactly. We were meant to be "competing" with them hahaha.
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And people here really though the Minnesota job was better than Marquette ::)
He's the kind of assistant you'd look for. Several assistant stops (Texas-Pan American -> Northern Iowa -> Nebraska -> Minnesota -> Xavier). Could be a great hire.
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And people here really though the Minnesota job was better than Marquette ::)
Johnson is a former Gopher captain and assistant coach. He's from Minneapolis. A lot of ties there.
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I don't know. You have a successful sitting coach in Brian Dutcher who would love to come to Minnesota. That's pretty hard to pass up versus promoting a 40 year old career assistant.
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MN fans are pretty universally appalled by the hire:
https://www.forums.gopherhole.com/boards/threads/gophers-hiring-ben-johnson.100900/
The most positive post in the thread came from a Utah State fan expressing relief that they didn't hire Smith.
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I don't know. You have a successful sitting coach in Brian Dutcher who would love to come to Minnesota. That's pretty hard to pass up versus promoting a 40 year old career assistant.
Yeah, curious choice when you had a couple of Minnesota guys with solid mid-major resumes who both could have been had. Maybe they weren't as interested as many had assumed.
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Yeah, curious choice when you had a couple of Minnesota guys with solid mid-major resumes who both could have been had. Maybe they weren't as interested as many had assumed.
He probably had a good power point presentation
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If we wanted to see what Scoop would look like if we hired Wardle, Gopher Hole would be a preview.
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If we wanted to see what Scoop would look like if we hired Wardle, Gopher Hole would be a preview.
At least wardle is a HC. But buckle up, our fate might not be much different! (and that's not necessarily bad)
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Utah is interviewing Alex Jensen. Craig Smith and Johnnie Bryant also in the mix. All three are very good coaches. Bryant would probably win the popular vote. (Goodman)
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Utah is interviewing Alex Jensen. Craig Smith and Johnnie Bryant also in the mix. All three are very good coaches. Bryant would probably win the popular vote. (Goodman)
2 NBA assistants that played at Utah and Craig Smith. Interesting list.
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2 NBA assistants that played at Utah and Craig Smith. Interesting list.
Jensen is a former SLU assistant under Majerus. While he did well, he seemed less interested in the college game, recruiting, etc...at the time, by his own admission. He and Bryant are excellent player development coaches. All three would have potential to do well there.
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Jensen is a former SLU assistant under Majerus. While he did well, he seemed less interested in the college game, recruiting, etc...at the time, by his own admission. He and Bryant are excellent player development coaches. All three would have potential to do well there.
They went NBA coaching last hire. Working at the start but then Larry K couldn't recruit.
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I don't know. You have a successful sitting coach in Brian Dutcher who would love to come to Minnesota. That's pretty hard to pass up versus promoting a 40 year old career assistant.
he meets the local media's requirement though.
You also had Ryan Saunders lobbying for the job and ingratiating himself with donors.
Swing and a miss, Gophs.
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Jensen is a former SLU assistant under Majerus. While he did well, he seemed less interested in the college game, recruiting, etc...at the time, by his own admission. He and Bryant are excellent player development coaches. All three would have potential to do well there.
Interesting... perhaps hiring some young/hungry road warrior assistants willing to pound the pavement while the HC is the closer who focuses on player development wouldn't be the worst model
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he meets the local media's requirement though.
You also had Ryan Saunders lobbying for the job and ingratiating himself with donors.
Swing and a miss, Gophs.
What are you talking about?
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What are you talking about?
Maybe he is referring to Johnson's complexion
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There is a report out there that Matta failed his physical after agreeing to a deal with IU.
https://indiana.rivals.com/news/sources-thad-matta-fails-physical-after-agreeing-to-deal-with-indiana
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There is a report out there that Matta failed his physical after agreeing to a deal with IU.
https://indiana.rivals.com/news/sources-thad-matta-fails-physical-after-agreeing-to-deal-with-indiana
Many credible people have said this is not true.
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Failed a physical?
Give me a break. LOL
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There is a report out there that Matta failed his physical after agreeing to a deal with IU.
https://indiana.rivals.com/news/sources-thad-matta-fails-physical-after-agreeing-to-deal-with-indiana
Coaches need to pass a physical? How the heck did Majerus ever land a job?
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Matta is however enjoying tonight's games.
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OK, then. Stupid IU blogger.
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Coaches need to pass a physical? How the heck did Majerus ever land a job?
There's a bunch of college football coaches over the years that would have had no chance.
For Thad, does he have to pass a range of motion test? Indiana fans are on another level of crazy.
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I don’t believe IU would reject a coach they wanted because of a physical exam. Ever.
But given that Matta retired because of a severe back injury, I have wondered whether he’d be able to handle a return. It certainly isn’t as though he needs the money. Maybe he told them “no thanks, my back can’t handle it“ and someone twisted or misrepresented that.
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Matta would be very high on my unrealistic list.
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I don't know. You have a successful sitting coach in Brian Dutcher who would love to come to Minnesota. That's pretty hard to pass up versus promoting a 40 year old career assistant.
wasn’t Dutcher a career assistant...or did he have a HC stop along the way?
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wasn’t Dutcher a career assistant...or did he have a HC stop along the way?
Before San Diego State? He was a career assistant, basically Steve Fisher's guy for almost 30 years. But he's been a HC since 2017.
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Before San Diego State? He was a career assistant, basically Steve Fisher's guy for almost 30 years. But he's been a HC since 2017.
thx, I should have clarified that...before SDSt I didn’t think Dutcher had been a HC.
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The Matta thing was a farce.
Sounds like Mike Woodson to IU.
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Sounds like Mike Woodson to IU.
62 year old who has a career .463 winning percentage as an NBA coach and who has never coached (head or assistant) in college before.
I'm sure the IU boards are going to be reasonable about this.
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62 year old who has a career .463 winning percentage as an NBA coach and who has never coached (head or assistant) in college before.
I'm sure the IU boards are going to be reasonable about this.
Yeah, that guy!
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If it’s Mike Woodson, I’ll need a semi full of popcorn
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Make it two. I'll join you.
Also, if true, Minnesota and IU are just the most recent lessons about expectations versus reality.
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Also, if true, Minnesota and IU are just the most recent lessons about expectations versus reality.
Outstanding point.
If it's Woodson, I hope he and the new Minnesota coach do great jobs. I'd love to see everybody get away from the notion that if you don't hire a "name," you are OK with failure.
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Outstanding point.
If it's Woodson, I hope he and the new Minnesota coach do great jobs. I'd love to see everybody get away from the notion that if you don't hire a "name," you are OK with failure.
I agree with this. But this happens every year. And coaches just don't leave jobs that often. Is this a function of buyouts?
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I agree with this. But this happens every year. And coaches just don't leave jobs that often. Is this a function of buyouts?
Inertia is a property of matter
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I agree with this. But this happens every year. And coaches just don't leave jobs that often. Is this a function of buyouts?
I think it is simply that there is less motivating factor to leave. The ones likely to leave are those that frankly don't like the city they live in, or have chips on their shoulder where they feel a need to prove themselves.
Money, and opportunities mean less now. Even a Loyola Chicago is paying their coach over $1M, and the coaches being targeted have proven they can have good success where they are at, with far far less pressure.
Why move up the ladder, to do a rebuild, and if you don't succeed to extremely high levels you are fired in 5-seasons, if you like where you live, are already making immense amounts of money, and have less stress.
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I think it is simply that there is less motivating factor to leave. The ones likely to leave are those that frankly don't like the city they live in, or have chips on their shoulder where they feel a need to prove themselves.
Money, and opportunities mean less now. Even a Loyola Chicago is paying their coach over $1M, and the coaches being targeted have proven they can have good success where they are at, with far far less pressure.
Why move up the ladder, to do a rebuild, and if you don't succeed to extremely high levels you are fired in 5-seasons, if you like where you live, are already making immense amounts of money, and have less stress.
Completely different level, but I have a friend who is a DI volleyball coach. They had a very comfortable job at a small school in a small conference. A lot of security with multiple conference titles, conference COY awards, etc. They left for a step up to a perennial “also ran” in a bigger conference. Their life is much, much more stressful now. Immense pressure and wondering if it was worth it.
Obviously VB is very different because we’re probably talking about going from $50k to $100k (really just guessing here). That is an increase that can have a profound effect on a family’s standard of living. They needed that raise. When already making seven figures, I can definitely see why someone might be content to stay put and avoid the pressure that comes with a step up to the next level.
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I’d leave the Mo Valley for the Big East for the travel alone. Is Loyola chartering a plane to Drake or Indiana State? Life on the road in that conference would become a grind.
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I think it is simply that there is less motivating factor to leave. The ones likely to leave are those that frankly don't like the city they live in, or have chips on their shoulder where they feel a need to prove themselves.
Money, and opportunities mean less now. Even a Loyola Chicago is paying their coach over $1M, and the coaches being targeted have proven they can have good success where they are at, with far far less pressure.
Why move up the ladder, to do a rebuild, and if you don't succeed to extremely high levels you are fired in 5-seasons, if you like where you live, are already making immense amounts of money, and have less stress.
Exactly.
There are a select few who have the desire to prove themselves at the "highest level." But most are learning they can find happiness where they are.
And that's a great point about rebuilding. If your situation is good where you are, you feel respected by your school, your boss, your team and your community, and you are in a good place financially, why put yourself through a rebuild and a pressure-cooker?
I always thought the ballplayers who "settled" for enormous money instead of ridiculous money to stay "home" were really smart. Look at Joe Mauer. He hit his free-agency year at the perfect time and got big bucks from the Twins, but he could have gotten even biglier bucks from the Yankees or somebody else. But he stayed "home," was still a zillionaire, and when, predictably, he couldn't come close to living up to the contract, he got relatively little heat because he was "the good guy who stayed home." Yankee fans would not have been so kind.
If Moser has 3 straight years where he finishes 2nd and 3rd in the conference and doesn't go to the Dance, will Loyola fans scream that he should be fired? Even if a few do, will administration listen to those fans?
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I’d leave the Mo Valley for the Big East for the travel alone. Is Loyola chartering a plane to Drake or Indiana State? Life on the road in that conference would become a grind.
I thought this was a great question. Hard to track precisely, but @SportsAviation covers this to their best ability.
Looks like Drake, UNI and Missouri State fly extensively. The rest of the MVC often only fly into Drake, UNI, Missouri State and often Evansville.
In the past two seasons, Loyola has flown to Drake twice, Evansville once, SIUE once, UNI once. Cannot say it's a complete list, only what's available on @SportsAviation.
To compare, @SportsAviation had every 20-21' MUBB trip except @SH and @DePaul. Both were likely buses from Philly and Milwaukee.
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Kimmie English is the new Head Coach at George Mason.
Some will remember his two Free Throws to help knock MUBB out of the 2009 NCAA Tourney.
Has been an assistant at Tennessee, Colorado, Tulsa. Baltimore native.
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I’d leave the Mo Valley for the Big East for the travel alone. Is Loyola chartering a plane to Drake or Indiana State? Life on the road in that conference would become a grind.
Wow great point, a perk to consider for sure
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Kimmie English is the new Head Coach at George Mason.
Some will remember his two Free Throws to help knock MUBB out of the 2009 NCAA Tourney.
Has been an assistant at Tennessee, Colorado, Tulsa. Baltimore native.
Nice resume, a cup of coffee in the NBA followed by learning under several solid coaches in multiple conferences & geographies. Good opportunity to take that first plunge into the HC ranks and build from there. Unfortunately for him, he's dead to me!
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If Moser has 3 straight years where he finishes 2nd and 3rd in the conference and doesn't go to the Dance, will Loyola fans scream that he should be fired? Even if a few do, will administration listen to those fans?
The vast majority will go back to forgetting the team exists.
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What are you talking about?
https://www.startribune.com/if-not-now-mark-coyle-when-past-time-to-diversify-gophers-leadership/600036010/
https://www.startribune.com/ad-mark-coyle-promises-very-diverse-pool-of-gophers-basketball-coaching-candidates/600035154/
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https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1374390717569638409
Depaul narrowing to 3-5 today... Goodman drops Gates name, maybe trying to get MU to move faster?
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https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1374390717569638409
Depaul narrowing to 3-5 today... Goodman drops Gates name, maybe trying to get MU to move faster?
Rumors of Kenny Payne being the top candidate for DePaul coming out this afternoon.
https://news.yahoo.com/depaul-zeroing-hiring-kenny-payne-180900969.html (https://news.yahoo.com/depaul-zeroing-hiring-kenny-payne-180900969.html)
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Rumors of Kenny Payne being the top candidate for DePaul coming out this afternoon.
https://news.yahoo.com/depaul-zeroing-hiring-kenny-payne-180900969.html (https://news.yahoo.com/depaul-zeroing-hiring-kenny-payne-180900969.html)
Dunno. He had a couple of good seasons for the Pack, but then flamed out pretty quickly.
Oh, wait....
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Rumors of Kenny Payne being the top candidate for DePaul coming out this afternoon.
https://news.yahoo.com/depaul-zeroing-hiring-kenny-payne-180900969.html (https://news.yahoo.com/depaul-zeroing-hiring-kenny-payne-180900969.html)
That leaves the playing field wide open for MU and Gates.
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That leaves the playing field wide open for MU and Gates.
If that happens, yes. Not surprised by this. I always thought Payne would be the guy for DePaul.
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That leaves the playing field wide open for MU and Gates.
Has the playing field been closed for Crean or Shaka?
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Has the playing field been closed for Crean or Shaka?
Those guys are not in the mix for the DePaul job. Gates reportedly is.
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https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1374390717569638409
Depaul narrowing to 3-5 today... Goodman drops Gates name, maybe trying to get MU to move faster?
Why would Goodman care if MU moves faster?
The vast majority will go back to forgetting the team exists.
Can't argue about that. But it plays into the whole low-pressure thing.
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Why would Goodman care if MU moves faster?
Can't argue about that. But it plays into the whole low-pressure thing.
Goodman himself doesn't actually care. But that's how the game is played. He puts out little tidbits like this at the request of an agent and in turn the agent will feed him a scoop to break at some point.
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Goodman himself doesn't actually care. But that's how the game is played. He puts out little tidbits like this at the request of an agent and in turn the agent will feed him a scoop to break at some point.
He uses "info" like chips.....Gets his "sources" better deals.....Pushes favors.....Get schools to bid against themselves.....That is how he gets info from confidential sources.....Kind of slimey.....But it gets him info and it works.....Take everything with a grain of salt.....Lots of "agendas"......
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He uses "info" like chips.....Gets his "sources" better deals.....Pushes favors.....Get schools to bid against themselves.....That is how he gets info from confidential sources.....Kind of slimy.....But it gets him info and it works.....Take everything with a grain of salt.....Lots of "agendas"......
Just look at the nice articles he wrote about Buzz when he was here.
My favorite was Parrish when he said how suspending Buzz for a game because of Monarch lying about a car ride and t-shirt was what make coaches leave. Basically helping Buzz in his me against the administration showdown.
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Has the playing field been closed for Crean or Shaka?
I think Crean closed it himself. Shaka likely still in play.
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I think Crean closed it himself. Shaka likely still in play.
LOL. I doubt very much MU ever “opened” it.
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He uses "info" like chips.....Gets his "sources" better deals.....Pushes favors.....Get schools to bid against themselves.....That is how he gets info from confidential sources.....Kind of slimy.....But it gets him info and it works.....Take everything with a grain of salt.....Lots of "agendas"......
Holy Ellipses!
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Goodman himself doesn't actually care. But that's how the game is played. He puts out little tidbits like this at the request of an agent and in turn the agent will feed him a scoop to break at some point.
Hmmm.
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Just look at the nice articles he wrote about Buzz when he was here.
My favorite was Parrish when he said how suspending Buzz for a game because of Monarch lying about a car ride and t-shirt was what make coaches leave. Basically helping Buzz in his me against the administration showdown.
Wasn't it Goodman who showed up at Marquette shortly after Wojo took over and wrote about Wojo's floor slapping days and the good ole' days at Duke? I don't think he wrote anything of consequence about Marquette. He's a gigalo. Sucked up to Wojo after being Buzz's errand boy.
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LOL. I doubt very much MU ever “opened” it.
Probably not. But there are some corners of MU fandom where he still has strong support.
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Probably not. But there are some corners of MU fandom where he still has strong support.
Who...name them...
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Who...name them...
Strong support.
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Strong support.
Quit being such a dick and name them already.
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Quit being such a dick and name them already.
He did. "Strong" support.
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Quit being such a dick and name them already.
👍🏻
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Holy Ellipses!
I for one prefer reading posts that are more ellipses than words
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I for one prefer reading posts that are more ellipses than words
Treating them like ad-libs sometimes ads profound meaning.
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Quit being such a dick and name them already.
Like Retire0, I thought this was clever.
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C'mon y'all. What's Mr. Strong's first name?
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C'mon y'all. What's Mr. Strong's first name?
Richard?
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Imagine being as incredibly successful as "certain boosters" and yet having such a complete blind spot for Tom Crean.
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Imagine being as incredibly successful as "certain boosters" and yet having such a complete blind spot for Tom Crean.
Maybe more of a commentary on how being successful at one specific thing doesn't mean you automatically have any credibility outside that particular field...
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Imagine being as incredibly successful as "certain boosters" and yet having such a complete blind spot for Tom Crean.
I think you underestimate the mesmerizing effect of a man in a full karate suit and crocs nearly tipping over an ATV has on people.
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Maybe more of a commentary on how being successful at one specific thing doesn't mean you automatically have any credibility outside that particular field...
Yeah, I have met a number of successful people who don't exactly have a breadth of knowledge.
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Richard?
And short for Richard is...dick. Hence, "don't be a dick." I was playing along.
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DePaul update from HoopDirt. Mike Davis is a new name to the search. Seems like a very DePaul hire if hs gets it.
It sounds like Knicks assistant Kenny Payne will be part of the narrowed down group at DePaul. He and new DePaul AD DeWayne Peevy are tight from their time together at Kentucky. Cleveland State head coach Dennis Gates, Detroit head coach Mike Davis, and Pacific head coach Damon Stoudamire are all reportedly in the mix as well.
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And short for Richard is...dick. Hence, "don't be a dick." I was playing along.
You did it excellently.
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You did it excellently.
+1
It was wonderfully subtle. I almost quoted it this morning to criticize before I stopped and had one of those "oh, I'm a dumbass" moments. ;D
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Lon Kruger retiring.
That's a pretty good opening ... though I don't see it being a fit for any serious MU candidate other than Gates.
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Lon Kruger retiring.
That's a pretty good opening ... though I don't see it being a fit for any serious MU candidate other than Gates.
OU may be looking up the road to Tulsa at Paul Mills, who is very familiar with the Big 12. Or, one of the myriad of qualified MWC coaches out there like Smith and Medved.
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Lon Kruger retiring.
That's a pretty good opening ... though I don't see it being a fit for any serious MU candidate other than Gates.
Eh, could be a lot of dominoes that fall depending on who OU hires
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Is Marquette the best job on the market right now? Normally I’d say it’s I4 but I think the expectations are borderline too unrealistic for that program.
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Is Marquette the best job on the market right now? Normally I’d say it’s I4 but I think the expectations are borderline too unrealistic for that program.
Oklahoma is a very good job
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Oklahoma is a very good job
some coaches, Nate Oats included, have said that they like being a hoops coach at a big time football school. You get the money and exposure but you aren't a focal point of the media and alumni.
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If it has not been mentioned Kelsey leaving Winthrop to coach Charleston
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If it has not been mentioned Kelsey leaving Winthrop to coach Charleston
Kelsey must have been convinced he had 0.00% chance at any of the top openings. He will double his salary at Charleston, but otherwise it's basically a lateral move. Still, if you know you're not getting MU, IU, OU, DePaul, etc, doubling one's salary to about $500K ain't chopped liver.
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Kelsey must have been convinced he had 0.00% chance at any of the top openings. He will double his salary at Charleston, but otherwise it's basically a lateral move. Still, if you know you're not getting MU, IU, OU, DePaul, etc, doubling one's salary to about $500K ain't chopped liver.
It's the best job in that conference. Personally, I think he wants the Xavier job, and knows Travis Steele is going to end up on the hot seat here in a year or two if he doesn't turn things around.
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Kelsey must have been convinced he had 0.00% chance at any of the top openings. He will double his salary at Charleston, but otherwise it's basically a lateral move. Still, if you know you're not getting MU, IU, OU, DePaul, etc, doubling one's salary to about $500K ain't chopped liver.
Correct, so that would not be a lateral move. Unless your speaking about a one bid league.
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Correct, so that would not be a lateral move. Unless your speaking about a one bid league.
Yes.
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Dick Weiss and Jeff Goodman mention Indiana tried to hire Chris Holtmann away from Ohio St. this week. He said no.
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Dick Weiss and Jeff Goodman mention Indiana tried to hire Chris Holtmann away from Ohio St. this week. He said no.
https://twitter.com/DanWolken/status/1375612069790289922?s=20
"The Indiana basketball coaching has Big Vols football coaching search energy"
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Call it a hunch, but I think Calipari sniffs around that Texas job. I know he’s due $8.5 mil starting this year at UK, I keep getting a sense though he’s sick of it there.
He’s 60, I think he’s got one more stop in him (if it’s not the Knicks). He wouldn’t go from one blue blood to another, and he’s had really good success in recruiting Texas. I think this would be the type of job in college he’d go after.
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Call it a hunch, but I think Calipari sniffs around that Texas job. I know he’s due $8.5 mil starting this year at UK, I keep getting a sense though he’s sick of it there.
He’s 60, I think he’s got one more stop in him (if it’s not the Knicks). He wouldn’t go from one blue blood to another, and he’s had really good success in recruiting Texas. I think this would be the type of job in college he’d go after.
And then Beard to KY. I could see this playing out
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And then Beard to KY. I could see this playing out
That would shock me.
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Sorry if I missed this being posted. Too many threads -which is a good thing right now.
Steve Alford to Indiana (?)
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Sorry if I missed this being posted. Too many threads -which is a good thing right now.
Steve Alford to Indiana (?)
Dick Vitale suggested it but Alford says he's staying at Nevada. I think the UCLA gig gave Alford his big program fix. It's not his style and frankly, Indiana is the most overrated gig in all of college basketball. It has no presence in the minds of youth. That program needs a complete makeover.
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Looks like Craig Smith to Utah.
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Call it a hunch, but I think Calipari sniffs around that Texas job. I know he’s due $8.5 mil starting this year at UK, I keep getting a sense though he’s sick of it there.
He’s 60, I think he’s got one more stop in him (if it’s not the Knicks). He wouldn’t go from one blue blood to another, and he’s had really good success in recruiting Texas. I think this would be the type of job in college he’d go after.
Now that would be something. All the rumors are that Beard already has been interviewed (and maybe even hired) by Texas; they apparently need to wait a couple weeks for his Tech buyout to be lower.
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Looks like Craig Smith to Utah.
Kinda figured this was happening when he didn't seem to be in on the Marquette or Minny jobs
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Kinda figured this was happening when he didn't seem to be in on the Marquette or Minny jobs
He was in the conversation with both.
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He was in the conversation with both.
I guess my thought was Utah was his focus.
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I guess my thought was Utah was his focus.
His tenure there will be worth watching. That might be a perfect spot for him. Would have loved him at Marquette but Utah is probably a better fit for him, if that makes sense
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Utah took a run at Alex Jensen and Johnnie Bryant. Jensen pulled himself out of the running this past week. Smith was a logical choice for them.
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Call it a hunch, but I think Calipari sniffs around that Texas job. I know he’s due $8.5 mil starting this year at UK, I keep getting a sense though he’s sick of it there.
He’s 60, I think he’s got one more stop in him (if it’s not the Knicks). He wouldn’t go from one blue blood to another, and he’s had really good success in recruiting Texas. I think this would be the type of job in college he’d go after.
I also read these tea leaves. The Kentucky faithful would be furious... and their tears would be delicious.
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Hoopdirt.com Craig Smith Takes Over At Utah
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Hoopdirt.com Craig Smith Takes Over At Utah
Or just scroll up to the post from 5 hours ago ;D
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Wojo Watch: looks like coachingchanges Twitter lists Steve as a candidate for Utah State along with Jon Scheyer.
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Looks like Kenny Payne isn't going to DePaul after all.
@IanBegley: Despite strong interest from DePaul, Kenny Payne will remain with the New York Knicks, per SNY sources.
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Craig Smith to Utah is a much better fit than a school in the Big East. He's never coached at a school east of the Mississippi and his prior stops include Utah State and Colorado State as an assistant.
Also, in his 26 years of coaching experience, only 2 years have been spent at the high major level.
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Looks like Kenny Payne isn't going to DePaul after all.
@IanBegley: Despite strong interest from DePaul, Kenny Payne will remain with the New York Knicks, per SNY sources.
Huh
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Wojo Watch: looks like coachingchanges Twitter lists Steve as a candidate for Utah State along with Jon Scheyer.
Utah St went from winning coach to mediocre coach to a winning coach in Smith now looking to reverse right back
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Saw a hilarious news article "click bait" title from the Texas 247 message board (popped up on my FB feed, I guess because I read their board recently). Entitled "Marquette students flee after Shaka Smart hire".
Had to click on it to see what it was about, apparently simply Cain and McEwen entering the transfer portal.
Seems like they are doing everything they can to manipulate the narrative here.
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Don’t want to see Dennis Gates at DePaul, TBH
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Saw a hilarious news article "click bait" title from the Texas 247 message board (popped up on my FB feed, I guess because I read their board recently). Entitled "Marquette students flee after Shaka Smart hire".
Had to click on it to see what it was about, apparently simply Cain and McEwen entering the transfer portal.
Seems like they are doing everything they can to manipulate the narrative here.
It was also on UW rivals. Made me laugh
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Don’t want to see Dennis Gates at DePaul, TBH
Or Moser
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Or Moser
Gates would be more worrisome if he got things rolling, IMO. If Moser leaves, I’ll be surprised if it’s for DePaul
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Utah St went from winning coach to mediocre coach to a winning coach in Smith now looking to reverse right back
I feel bad for Utah St fans. They don’t deserve that.
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Or just scroll up to the post from 5 hours ago ;D
Yes but then you do not get the hoop dirt.com Wow you are hard into scoop. I like it.
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Am happy and thrilled and it is awesome Marquette got Shaka but Jon Rothstein just said live a few seconds ago on cbs sports network television the Job Porter Moser really coveted was the Marquette Job.
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Am happy and thrilled and it is awesome Marquette got Shaka but Jon Rothstein just said live a few seconds ago on cbs sports network television the Job Porter Moser really coveted was the Marquette Job.
All the more reason I'm glad this got done Friday. While I think Moser could've done fine eventually, I think Shaka is the better hire both for the short term and the long term.
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Looking how Indiana and DePaul are managing their coaching searches, I am grateful how competently and professional Scholl ran Marquette’s.
Both fired their coaches days before MU, both have been spurned by their supposed top choices, and both are still looking. Meanwhile Scholl went from firing Wojo to hiring Shaka in a week’s time.
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Mike Woodson is such an uninspiring hire for IU, good lord.
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So much for Marquette and Indiana going toe-to-toe for Moser.
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Anytime you can hire a 60 year old head coach with zero college experience at a blue blood school, that just paid $10 mil to dump the last coach...ya gotta do it.
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Now this is interesting...Thad Matta is going to be basketball czar at IU under Woodson.
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Anytime you can hire a 60 year old head coach with zero college experience at a blue blood school, that just paid $10 mil to dump the last coach...ya gotta do it.
But you have to ignore all of that as he has the most important quality: he played for Bob Knight.
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Now this is interesting...Thad Matta is going to be basketball czar at IU under Woodson.
Is that real or was somebody trolling IU boards?
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A throwback to Knight for the old Hoosier faithful.
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A throwback to Knight for the old Hoosier faithful.
I’m not even sure the old Hoosier faithful think this a good idea.
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They are...underwhelmed. But the Matta thing is real after all.
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Now this is interesting...Thad Matta is going to be basketball czar at IU under Woodson.
So they are hiring a guy to help Woodson because he has no college coaching network and probably only a vague idea of how modern college recruiting works.
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Mike Woodson ??
Good lord.. lol ... 63 years old, no
college experience. Seems like a
terrible choice
( hope it is )
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Well, they got an NBA coach. Just not the one they were hoping for.
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Mike Woodson is such an uninspiring hire for IU, good lord.
That means it will work out great.
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Now this is interesting...Thad Matta is going to be basketball czar at IU under Woodson.
He’s going to be an associate AD. Not sure how much actual help he will be able to give
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So Indiana passed on Beilein, missed on Matta and Moser, and settled on a 63-year-old who is 50 games below .500, was fired from both his head coaching jobs, and has never recruited before?
Yeah...we won the Coaching Carousel. ;D
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So Indiana passed on Beilein, missed on Matta and Moser, and settled on a 63-year-old who is 50 games below .500, was fired from both his head coaching jobs, and has never recruited before?
Yeah...we won the Coaching Carousel. ;D
Technically they also got Matta.
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Now this is interesting...Thad Matta is going to be basketball czar at IU under Woodson.
Thad Matta was supposed to be the head coach until he failed his physical. Matta's recruiting ability in Indiana and Midwest is top notch - Oden/Mike Conley/etc. I'm seeing a two prong approach here. Woodson on X's and O's - Matta as lead recruiter.
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So Indiana passed on Beilein, missed on Matta and Moser, and settled on a 63-year-old who is 50 games below .500, was fired from both his head coaching jobs, and has never recruited before?
Yeah...we won the Coaching Carousel. ;D
Unless Texas gets Beard.
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Thad Matta was supposed to be the head coach until he failed his physical. Matta's recruiting ability in Indiana and Midwest is top notch - Oden/Mike Conley/etc. I'm seeing a two prong approach here. Woodson on X's and O's - Matta as lead recruiter.
The physical never happened, that was a false report. But they were turned down by him.
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How many associate athletic directors are flying all over the country chasing 16 year olds to come play basketball at their school?
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What does Creighton do with Doug now?
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How many associate athletic directors are flying all over the country chasing 16 year olds to come play basketball at their school?
It makes sense when your head coach has no recruiting experience and your Assistant AD is one of the best recruiters in NCAA. It will be interesting to see if it works. Sports Illustrated says Matta will be "assisting Woodson's staff".
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What does Creighton do with Doug now?
They're not doing anything as long as Creighton is relevant.
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It makes sense when your head coach has no recruiting experience and your Assistant AD is one of the best recruiters in NCAA. It will be interesting to see if it works. Sports Illustrated says Matta will be "assisting Woodson's staff".
Matta can’t recruit from that position. He would have to be one of the three assistants.
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What does Creighton do with Doug now?
Probably retire his number if they haven’t already.
I think Greg might have coached his last game with Creighton.
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Jeez, I hate it when I post before double checking. Such a numbskull.
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I don't think Woodson is the best hire IU could have made, but I don't think it's the disaster some believe. He legit can coach. His NBA record is a lot better than it seems ... I mean, look at some of the rosters he was given ... and he's spent a lot of time working under some good coaches (Doc, Thibs, D'Antoni).
Recruiting will be the challenge, but to some degree, IU still recruits itself. It's still the flagship school in a talent-rich state and if he can land some connected assistants, he'll do OK.
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Matta can’t recruit from that position. He would have to be one of the three assistants.
Could be a scout/talent advisor though.
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I don't think Woodson is the best hire IU could have made, but I don't think it's the disaster some believe. He legit can coach. His NBA record is a lot better than it seems ... I mean, look at some of the rosters he was given ... and he's spent a lot of time working under some good coaches (Doc, Thibs, D'Antoni).
Recruiting will be the challenge, but to some degree, IU still recruits itself. It's still the flagship school in a talent-rich state and if he can land some connected assistants, he'll do OK.
I don’t disagree that he has decent NBA experience, but coaching college kids is completely different than coaching pros. And starting that learning curve at 63? I’m almost 5 years younger than that, and if someone asked me to switch from healthcare law to environmental law, I would probably just retire.
Not saying it will be a complete disaster, but I seriously doubt it will be anywhere near what IU fans expect.
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So Thad Matta is Tom Coughlin in this situation. I feel just fine about where we landed.
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Jeez, I hate it when I post before double checking. Such a numbskull.
Can't tell you how many times I've made that mistake.
Personally, I think he's gone. That might be a spot for Moser, though Darien DeVries might be a leader in the clubhouse. That said, considering what led to Creighton's situation, might they consider Terrence Rencher or Dennis Gates?
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So Thad Matta is Tom Coughlin in this situation. I feel just fine about where we landed.
Yep. Maybe Woodson/Matta will do OK, but I would still take Shaka any day of the week.
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I don’t disagree that he has decent NBA experience, but coaching college kids is completely different than coaching pros. And starting that learning curve at 63? I’m almost 5 years younger than that, and if someone asked me to switch from healthcare law to environmental law, I would probably just retire.
Not saying it will be a complete disaster, but I seriously doubt it will be anywhere near what IU fans expect.
I would argue it's much easier to coach a college kid rather than a kid who makes around 10 million/year.
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I would argue it's much easier to coach a college kid rather than a kid who makes around 10 million/year.
I’d counter that Woodson might have to teach things he’s never had to before.
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I’d counter that Woodson might have to teach things he’s never had to before.
Like what?
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Like what?
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Hypothetical better move for IU: hiring Woodson, or rehiring Crean?
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So Thad Matta is Tom Coughlin in this situation. I feel just fine about where we landed.
Yes. People are WAY over selling this Marta role without realizing what it means. If Marquette had Beilein in Mike Broeker’s role, would it have helped Wojo a bit? Sure. Would it have completely closed the gap and made him a better game coach and recruited a more perfect roster? No
Also, you don’t pay $10MM to get ride of Archie Miller to get a mediocre NBA coach and a good coach as an admin
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I don’t think Woodson is necessarily going to be bad, but in the context of the search IU did, it’s uninspiring and shows options 1-? weren’t coming. If Woodson was going to be their choice from the get go, this hire would have been done days ago.
Matta’s presence though makes this a better situation. I’m curious how it’ll all work.
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I would argue it's much easier to coach a college kid rather than a kid who makes around 10 million/year.
I don’t think it is easier or harder but just very different.
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I don’t think it is easier or harder but just very different.
This.
There are a few coaches who have a succeeded at both, but there have also been plenty who were great at one and awful at the other.
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Hypothetical better move for IU: hiring Woodson, or rehiring Crean?
I think I would have saved $10 million by keeping Archie and adding Matta.
Not sure if that’s enough to appease the IU crowd though.
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I think Greg might have coached his last game with Creighton.
If Creighton fires McDermott it would need to turn its credentials as a Jesuit University.
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The Matta thing was a farce.
Sounds like Mike Woodson to IU.
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Who would have thought that Marquette was going to have the biggest splash hire a month ago? Crazy.
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I think I would have saved $10 million by keeping Archie and adding Matta.
Not sure if that’s enough to appease the IU crowd though.
Matta as Archie's assistant? Funny!
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MU has definitely had the “ best “ hire so far
Woodson to IU will not work. Noooo
Way. At his age, with no experience and no real Hs connections he’s gonna recruit and chase 15 / 16 year olds
Riiiiight ...
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Who would have thought that Marquette was going to have the biggest splash hire a month ago? Crazy.
Time will always tell but with MN and IU off the board we clearly made the bigger hire.
I'd be remiss to not point out that Texas is on the clock though and that should be the first of a few dominos.
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Who would have thought that Marquette was going to have the biggest splash hire a month ago? Crazy.
Heck, 10 days ago.
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Woodson to IU will not work. Noooo
Way. At his age, with no experience and no real Hs connections he’s gonna recruit and chase 15 / 16 year olds
Riiiiight ...
If Beilein or Pitino had beaten a path to Scholl's door, would you have said the same?
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If Beilein or Pitino had beaten a path to Scholl's door, would you have said the same?
Did to stop reading after “at his age”? Beilein and Pitino have been recruiting and coaching college kids the majority of that last decade. Woodson hasn’t been a part of the college game in literally 40 years
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Probably has already been reported too but per Jon Rothstein Mike Woodson tells me that he has landed in Indiana and is en route to Bloomington to meet with the team.
Woodson on being the head coach at Indiana: "It's a dream come true."
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Who would have thought that Marquette was going to have the biggest splash hire a month ago? Crazy.
MU Rah Rah
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Jwags:
I understand. Both are five years older than Woodson and both would still need to be out on the road doing the things Mike Woodson presumably isn't going to do at 63. So honest question. How old is too old?
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Jwags:
I understand. Both are five years older than Woodson and both would still need to be out on the road doing the things Mike Woodson presumably isn't going to do at 63. So honest question. How old is too old?
Depends on reputation and staff. How much is Coach K hitting the road versus his staff hitting the road? Mike Woodson doesn’t have that luxury because despite coaching in the NBA, he hasn’t put dudes in the NBA or won titles in college.
If he hires a good staff, some of that can be mitigated. I do believe he’ll be enthusiastic about turning Indiana around but is an uphill battle
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Jwags:
I understand. Both are five years older than Woodson and both would still need to be out on the road doing the things Mike Woodson presumably isn't going to do at 63. So honest question. How old is too old?
The argument is that it’s too old to start. Like mentioned, he has no network, college reputation, inroads to lean on. And he’s not an NBA name that’s gonna resonate with HS age kids.
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Depends on reputation and staff. How much is Coach K hitting the road versus his staff hitting the road? Mike Woodson doesn’t have that luxury because despite coaching in the NBA, he hasn’t put dudes in the NBA or won titles in college.
If he hires a good staff, some of that can be mitigated. I do believe he’ll be enthusiastic about turning Indiana around but is an uphill battle
K doesn’t have to hit the road.
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If Creighton fires McDermott it would need to turn its credentials as a Jesuit University.
Agreed. The guy is a very good coach. But...you know...the PC Police need tp get their licks in.
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Agreed. The guy is a very good coach. But...you know...the PC Police need tp get their licks in.
I might be wrong but there doesn’t seem to be a groundswell for his firing.
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Probably has already been reported too but per Jon Rothstein Mike Woodson tells me that he has landed in Indiana and is en route to Bloomington to meet with the team.
Woodson on being the head coach at Indiana: "It's a dream come true."
Straight Outta TC‘s playbook, huh?
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Who would have thought that Marquette was going to have the biggest splash hire a month ago? Crazy.
Texas: "Hold my mask"
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Lot of smoke about former Longhorn player and member of the 2003 Final 4 team and current Nets assistant Royal Ivey getting the job. At the least, he’s interviewing for it
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Yep. Maybe Woodson/Matta will do OK, but I would still take Shaka any day of the week.
And that would of course be different if it was a reasonably healthy Matta as Head Coach. 5 Big Ten Regular Season Titles, 2 Final Fours, 2 Elite 8's, 2 Sweet 16's etc...It's an unknown how their unique set up will work out.
The game of winning the Coaching Carousel, takes 3-5 years to determine. Marquette hasn't won or lost anything yet.
If Shaka can win a Regular Season Big East Title, have zero losing league records, and, advance to the NCAA Tourney 2nd weekend or better 3 times, all within his first 5 years, that would be success similar to Buzz.
Shaka has never won a regular season league title in 12 seasons, over 3 leagues.
Shaka had 2 of 6 winning league records at Texas.
Shaka has advanced to the NCAA 2nd weekend 1 of 12 years. He had zero NCAA wins at Texas despite playing multiple double digit seeds.
Shaka made 8 of 12 NCAA's (He would have missed last year). But in Power 5/Big East it was 3 of 6.
We'll know how he is doing in the next 3-5 years.
Shaka will get a chance. Hopefully, he can keep getting better and better and get results for MUBB.
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Fun Fact In 20 Seasons as a head coach in D1 Basketball Saint John’s Head Coach Mike Anderson has not ever had what we had last year A losing season.
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Was it really necessary for Oklahoma State to give Boynton a SEVEN-year extension?
I can understand some kind of extension, but that’s an awfully long one for a coach who has never won squat without the No. 1 draft pick on his team.
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Was it really necessary for Oklahoma State to give Boynton a SEVEN-year extension?
I can understand some kind of extension, but that’s an awfully long one for a coach who has never won squat without the No. 1 draft pick on his team.
Meh if he starts bombing Boone buys him out with pocket change
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Meh if he starts bombing Boone buys him out with pocket change
He’s dead and quit bankrolling the athletic department awhile back
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Meh if he starts bombing Boone buys him out with pocket change
From the grave?
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He’s dead and quit bankrolling the athletic department awhile back
Oh haha RIP
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I mean, if Hugo Chavez could fix the U.S. election, why not a dead guy paying Boynton’s buyout?
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I mean, if Hugo Chavez could fix the U.S. election, why not a dead guy paying Boynton’s buyout?
Exactly!
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Was it really necessary for Oklahoma State to give Boynton a SEVEN-year extension?
I can understand some kind of extension, but that’s an awfully long one for a coach who has never won squat without the No. 1 draft pick on his team.
OK St was a dumpster fire. Both in terms of on the court performance with Ford and sanctions. Boyton steadied the ship, brought in a top 25 class before Cunningham, and then another top 100 guard with CC this year. He’s favored on some really good players in 2022. It’s a bit long but otherwise I get it
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Was it really necessary for Oklahoma State to give Boynton a SEVEN-year extension?
I can understand some kind of extension, but that’s an awfully long one for a coach who has never won squat without the No. 1 draft pick on his team.
Rumor is DePaul went after him
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So Woodson wants Larry Brown on his staff? This IU experiment will be interesting.
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So Woodson wants Larry Brown on his staff? This IU experiment will be interesting.
Why the hell would Larry Brown want to do that? He is 80 years old and literally hasn’t been an assistant coach since Bobby Knight was at Army. He could get a HC gig if he wanted it.
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According to Goodman, Duke assistant Nate James is leading candidate for the Austin Peay job.
That would open a spot Duke's bench for you know who.
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According to Goodman, Duke assistant Nate James is leading candidate for the Austin Peay job.
That would open a spot Duke's bench for you know who.
The Prodigal Son Returns
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Rumor is DePaul went after him
Thanks, Dr. B. That makes more sense then.
OK St was a dumpster fire. Both in terms of on the court performance with Ford and sanctions. Boyton steadied the ship, brought in a top 25 class before Cunningham, and then another top 100 guard with CC this year. He’s favored on some really good players in 2022. It’s a bit long but otherwise I get it
I understand giving him an extension, Wags ... but almost through the end of the decade seemed a bit much. But if DePaul or others were after him, maybe OSU felt they had to do it.
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According to Goodman, Duke assistant Nate James is leading candidate for the Austin Peay job.
That would open a spot Duke's bench for you know who.
Another career Duke assistant, always pans out! But at least that’s a more reasonable level
I understand giving him an extension, Wags ... but almost through the end of the decade seemed a bit much. But if DePaul or others were after him, maybe OSU felt they had to do it.
That’s what I’m thinking. He’s only 37, relatively low salary, suitors will be coming sooner rather than later
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Fordham hiring Villanova assistant Kyle Neptune ss its head coach.
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Fordham hiring Villanova assistant Kyle Neptune ss its head coach.
That’s an out of this world hire.
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Fordham hiring Villanova assistant Kyle Neptune ss its head coach.
Kyle Uranus was not available?
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Kyle Uranus was not available?
He was, but his team stinks.
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Kyle Uranus was not available?
DePaul worthy candidate
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Bobby Knight likes Woodson hire at IU. Among other things says Woodson will be an "Outstanding Disciplinarian......"
https://www.hoosiersportsreport.com/2021/03/knight-releases-statement-on-woodsons-hire-as-iu-head-coach/
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Bobby Knight likes Woodson hire at MU.
Did he back out on Indiana to be an assistant to Shaka?
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Depends on reputation and staff. How much is Coach K hitting the road versus his staff hitting the road? Mike Woodson doesn’t have that luxury because despite coaching in the NBA, he hasn’t put dudes in the NBA or won titles in college.
If he hires a good staff, some of that can be mitigated. I do believe he’ll be enthusiastic about turning Indiana around but is an uphill battle
He's gonna hit the road...face first---road kill
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Bobby Knight likes Woodson hire at MU. Among other things says Woodson will be an "Outstanding Disciplinarian......"
https://www.hoosiersportsreport.com/2021/03/knight-releases-statement-on-woodsons-hire-as-iu-head-coach/
Crap. I thought we hired Shaka.
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Thanks, Dr. B. That makes more sense then.
I understand giving him an extension, Wags ... but almost through the end of the decade seemed a bit much. But if DePaul or others were after him, maybe OSU felt they had to do it.
Illinois hired Brad Underwood away from OSU after OSU basically low balled him. Probably wanted to make a statement...
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@GoodmanHoops
The ETSU men’s basketball team took a knee during the National Anthem during a game earlier this season, and several Republican lawmakers in the state sent a letter to universities in Tennessee saying they do not condone those actions.
Jason Shay is now out as head coach.
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@GoodmanHoops
The ETSU men’s basketball team took a knee during the National Anthem during a game earlier this season, and several Republican lawmakers in the state sent a letter to universities in Tennessee saying they do not condone those actions.
Jason Shay is now out as head coach.
He resigned. Good for him. He's gonna land on his feet and be fine--took the team to the SoCon finals in his first year.
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@GoodmanHoops
The ETSU men’s basketball team took a knee during the National Anthem during a game earlier this season, and several Republican lawmakers in the state sent a letter to universities in Tennessee saying they do not condone those actions.
Jason Shay is now out as head coach.
Cancel culture run amok!
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Cancel culture run amok!
Indeed.
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Cancel culture run amok!
Nah. This one is okay.
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Cancel culture run amok!
Yep these snowflakes hate cancel culture until they love it
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Did he back out on Indiana to be an assistant to Shaka?
LOL that pesky Scoop auto correct must have kicked in. Correction noted.
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LOL that pesky Scoop auto correct must have kicked in. Correction noted.
You're supposed to be dead, no resurrections until Sunday.
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Texas interviews Royal Ivey to replace Shaka Smart
The Brooklyn Nets assistant is the first candidate known to interview for the job.
By Wescott Eberts@SBN_Wescott Mar 28, 2021, 8:37pm CDT
https://www.burntorangenation.com/2021/3/28/22355842/royal-ivey-interviews-texas-longhorns-head-coach
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Talked to a friend on the faculty/athletic board at DePaul, asking when they’re going to make a hire. “Our candidates are asking for more than we’re willing to pay.”
Sounds like DePaul...
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Talked to a friend on the faculty/athletic board at DePaul, asking when they’re going to make a hire. “Our candidates are asking for more than we’re willing to pay.”
Sounds like DePaul...
Ouch. Sounds like that takes out Payne, Moser, Gates...and anyone else worthwhile
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Ouch. Sounds like that takes out Payne, Moser, Gates...and anyone else worthwhile
Payne already turned them down
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Payne already turned them down
And we know why.
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Talked to a friend on the faculty/athletic board at DePaul, asking when they’re going to make a hire. “Our candidates are asking for more than we’re willing to pay.”
Sounds like DePaul...
Oof. If they're not going to pay their coaches then maybe their membership in the Big East should be reevaluated.
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Oof. If they're not going to pay their coaches then maybe their membership in the Big East should be reevaluated.
Yeah seriously. Do they think that the new arena that got built for them was free?
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Have they interviewed Rod Strickland? I’ve heard his name thrown around but don’t know if it’s legit or not
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Oof. If they're not going to pay their coaches then maybe their membership in the Big East should be reevaluated.
Yeah, Re-evaluate DePauls BEast membership? All they need to say is that they frequently kicked MU's ass.
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Yeah seriously. Do they think that the new arena that got built for them was free?
Meet Mike Madigan
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Meet Mike Madigan
Yeah he was a state rep. You're thinking of Rahm.
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Yeah he was a state rep. You're thinking of Rahm.
Speaker of the House. He controlled the unions and McCormick Place, and the money over and under the table with contractors and utilities. That was his district and his patronage engine. Let's hope the authorities have him nailed.
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Speaker of the House. He controlled the unions and McCormick Place, and the money over and under the table with contractors and utilities. That was his district and his patronage engine. Let's hope the authorities have him nailed.
Pretty confident that was not his district. He was out by midway. Agree hope he's nailed
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Oof. If they're not going to pay their coaches then maybe their membership in the Big East should be reevaluated.
I don't know (nor does my buddy) exactly what these guys are asking for. My guess is in the $2 million range. My guess is they are wanting to stay around $1.5 million. Does anyone know the range of BE salaries (Wright obviously being an outlier on the high end)?
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@joehoopsreport: According to multiple sources, #DePaul has zeroed in on Oregon associate head coach Tony Stubblefield, who is in his 11th season with the Ducks, to be its next head coach with sources saying “it’s close to being done.”
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Is Dave Leitao still available?
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@joehoopsreport: According to multiple sources, #DePaul has zeroed in on Oregon associate head coach Tony Stubblefield, who is in his 11th season with the Ducks, to be its next head coach with sources saying “it’s close to being done.”
Any by zeroed in he means, the first 10 people they asked said no.
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Is Dave Leitao still available?
Made me laugh. Have an upvote.
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Is Dave Leitao still available?
Dave Leitao is and always will be the original: Wojo Killer
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@joehoopsreport: According to multiple sources, #DePaul has zeroed in on Oregon associate head coach Tony Stubblefield, who is in his 11th season with the Ducks, to be its next head coach with sources saying “it’s close to being done.”
Anytime you can hire a 50 something nomadic assistant who spent the vast majority of his career in the West/Southwest to coach a Big East program in Chicago, you gotta do it. 2-12 as interim for Lou Henson at NMSU is glowing as well.
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Any by zeroed in he means, the first 10 people they asked said no.
Well, it worked out well for Oregon. Maybe DePaul is hoping it works in reverse.
This makes no sense...other than it’s DePaul we’re talking about.
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Well, it worked out well for Oregon. Maybe DePaul is hoping it works in reverse.
This makes no sense...other than it’s DePaul we’re talking about.
If they were going to go the assistant route, there had to be someone younger with more upside out there, no? This is an underwhelming hire at best
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Either DePaul has a reason for liking this guy more than anyone could assume from a resume....or....they are such a mess that all they can get is someone willing to take the job for additional income prior to retirement knowing they don't plan to use DePaul as a stepping stone because it's nearly impossible to win there.
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Either DePaul has a reason for liking this guy more than anyone could assume from a resume....or....they are such a mess that all they can get is someone willing to take the job for additional income prior to retirement knowing they don't plan to use DePaul as a stepping stone because it's nearly impossible to win there.
Gonna go with Occam's Razor on this one...
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#donedeal
Stubblefield to DePaul.
FWIW, the guy really is considered a top assistant and ace recruiter. Oregon was paying him $500K a year.
Whether that makes him head coach material remains to be seen.
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Sounds like he is Oregon's version of Kenny Payne. For better or worse, the AD has prioritized someone with a reputation as a great recruiter versus someone with head coaching experience.
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Sounds like he is Oregon's version of Kenny Payne. For better or worse, the AD has prioritized someone with a reputation as a great recruiter versus someone with head coaching experience.
Sounds like he isn’t afraid to spread the cash around. That’s good, at least.
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Sounds like he isn’t afraid to spread the cash around. That’s good, at least.
There has to be a reason they aren't spending it on a head coach right?
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Sounds like he isn’t afraid to spread the cash around. That’s good, at least.
https://www.oregonlive.com/sports/2018/10/phone_records_link_oregon_duck.html
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#donedeal
Stubblefield to DePaul.
FWIW, the guy really is considered a top assistant and ace recruiter. Oregon was paying him $500K a year.
Whether that makes him head coach material remains to be seen.
Top assistant and ace recruiter. Where have I heard that line for an incoming Big East coach before
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Top assistant and ace recruiter. Where have I heard that line for an incoming Big East coach before
I should probably be putting this under the things I was wrong about thread but I foolishly thought that DePaul would finally get their crap together and pony up for an experienced coach so that they would not be the perennial cellar dweller.
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Wow. Stubblefield was implicated in the Brian Bowen bag dropping recruitment and recruited players accused of gang rape. Not sure this is the smartest hire.
https://www.oregonlive.com/sports/2018/10/brian_bowen_sr_cant_remember_i.html
https://twitter.com/phillipshoops/status/1377615141768982528?s=21
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Wow. Stubblefield was implicated in the Brian Bowen bag dropping recruitment and recruited players accused of gang rape. Not sure this is the smartest hire.
https://www.oregonlive.com/sports/2018/10/brian_bowen_sr_cant_remember_i.html
https://twitter.com/phillipshoops/status/1377615141768982528?s=21
Here’s the link to the story about the “issues” at Oregon
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/oregons-run-to-2017-final-four-has-disturbing-backdrop-that-cant-be-overlooked/
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Here’s the link to the story about the “issues” at Oregon
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/oregons-run-to-2017-final-four-has-disturbing-backdrop-that-cant-be-overlooked/
So, basically Altman = Buzz.
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Wow. Stubblefield was implicated in the Brian Bowen bag dropping recruitment and recruited players accused of gang rape. Not sure this is the smartest hire.
https://www.oregonlive.com/sports/2018/10/brian_bowen_sr_cant_remember_i.html
https://twitter.com/phillipshoops/status/1377615141768982528?s=21
Recruiting players accused of gang rape? You don't say ...
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DePaul with yet another head-scratching hire.
Wonder what the DePaul fan thinks of this.
#sleepinggiant
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DePaul with yet another head-scratching hire.
Wonder what the DePaul fan thinks of this.
#sleepinggiant
Nine out of the last 10 are not renewing their tickets.
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So, basically Altman = Buzz.
Without the shameless self promotion.
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DePaul with yet another head-scratching hire.
Wonder what the DePaul fan thinks of this.
#sleepinggiant
The half dozen people who post on their 247 board seem pleased given that they know DePaul isn't going to spend a lot of money on this.
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Whoa. Roy Williams retiring from UNC.
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Not an April Fool's Joke, Roy is retiring https://twitter.com/UNC_Basketball/status/1377626749903761426?s=19
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Whoa. Roy Williams retiring from UNC.
I saw Schefter’s tweet first and thought it was April Fool’s.
Losing to Wojo must have been the final straw.
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Recruiting players accused of gang rape? You don't say ...
On a completely unrelated note, watching the UCLA, they had a player with the same name as someone who was here under Buzz. So I had to look him up.
http://www.thunderbasketball.ca/content/dave-singleton---overtime-grind (http://www.thunderbasketball.ca/content/dave-singleton---overtime-grind)
I guess I can say I played with some former NBA players too. Had a few pickup games with some NBA guys.
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Whoa. Roy Williams retiring from UNC.
It's North Carolina! It's North Carolina!
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Oh snap. Carousel about go for a spin!
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UNC and Texas open have the potential to shake things up big time. Glad we got our guy locked up and we can sit back and watch.
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Recruiting players accused of gang rape? You don't say ...
The title should say “recruited two players later accused of gang rape, one already accused of rape.”
Austin was kicked out of PC for sexual assault. At the time, PC wasn’t going to kick out of school a local kid rated as high as he unless there was fire causing all of that smoke.
I guess Dave Bliss wanted too much money? SMH.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/how-1-student-can-be-accused-of-rape-at-2-126453508347.html
Mullin later brought Dotson in for an OV and the SJU AD vetoed an offer. They were desperate but not willing to go that low.
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Oh snap. Carousel about go for a spin!
RJ Davis....
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Oh snap. Carousel about go for a spin!
I guess Roy is saying Aidoo. This can only help Shaka on the rerecruitment.
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It's North Carolina! It's North Carolina!
Wes Miller has been rumored as the heir apparent for a while now, and one of the reasons his name hasn't been tied to every other job opening out there the past couple seasons.
I guess now we'll see.
Edit: Or maybe Hubert Davis is coach in waiting?
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Maybe we move up the ladder for Jonas?
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Shaka to Carolina
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That's what happens to a coach that loses to MU & UW in the same season.
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Wes Miller has been rumored as the heir apparent for a while now, and one of the reasons his name hasn't been tied to every other job opening out there the past couple seasons.
I guess now we'll see.
Edit: Or maybe Hubert Davis is coach in waiting?
I think Miller is a very good coach and a nice option but man the UNC faithful wouldn’t be pleased about hiring a low major HC who never won a tourney game.
I think Davis would be a meh hiring too
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Shaka to Carolina
That would, admittedly, be pretty funny. Gallows humor kind of funny, but funny nonetheless.
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Wes Miller has been rumored as the heir apparent for a while now, and one of the reasons his name hasn't been tied to every other job opening out there the past couple seasons.
I guess now we'll see.
Edit: Or maybe Hubert Davis is coach in waiting?
When Davis went there, I kinda assumed that was the case.
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I'm willing to bet that Team Coach Buzz is putting his hat in the ring for both the Texas and UNC jobs. A&M was never gonna be the last stop for him.
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I'm willing to bet that Team Coach Buzz is putting his hat in the ring for both the Texas and UNC jobs. A&M was never gonna be the last stop for him.
Any new Buzz's Bunch videos in production?
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When Davis went there, I kinda assumed that was the case.
I always thought he was the coach in waiting. But all bets are off with UNC hirings. I could see Few and Wright as contenders.
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I'm willing to bet that Team Coach Buzz is putting his hat in the ring for both the Texas and UNC jobs. A&M was never gonna be the last stop for him.
IMO not after two seasons. His personality fits A&M more than UT and I don't UNC would have any interest.
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I'm willing to bet that Team Coach Buzz is putting his hat in the ring for both the Texas and UNC jobs. A&M was never gonna be the last stop for him.
I don't think Team Coach Buzz is in high demand these days.
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When you hear something like an icon retiring, it's always a bit surprising.
But Roy neither looked nor sounded great the last several times I watched UNC play or listened to one of his postgame pressers. He seemed to have aged 5 years this season.
I know that a lot of Scoopers hate Wojo with every fiber of their being ... but look what he accomplished! Losses to Wojo led to the quick retirements of both Ol' Roy and Boner Bo!
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I'm sure Wright gets the call.
I think guys like Oats, Musselman and Bennett are among the more likely canidates.
Jay Wright and Mark Few types will get calls but quickly say no imo.
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A bit silly, but someone tried to change Wes Miller's wikipedia page, and it says (in the wrong space) that he is the Head Coach at University of North Carolina 2021-present.
A sign of things to come?
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I'm sure Wright gets the call.
I think guys like Oats, Musselman and Bennett are among the more likely canidates.
Jay Wright and Mark Few types will get calls but quickly say no imo.
Agree that there is absolutely no reason for guys like Wright or Few to leave incredible situations to chase that job. The only reason Roy left Kansas was that he was a NC alum.
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I'm sure Wright gets the call.
I think guys like Oats, Musselman and Bennett are among the more likely canidates.
Jay Wright and Mark Few types will get calls but quickly say no imo.
I don't think its going to be any of these guys. I would be amazed if they do anything outside the Carolina family. They didn't when Dean left, when Guthridge retired or when Doherty bombed.
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I'm sure Wright gets the call.
I think guys like Oats, Musselman and Bennett are among the more likely canidates.
Jay Wright and Mark Few types will get calls but quickly say no imo.
This is one where Stevens might actually jump back for.
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This is one where Stevens might actually jump back for.
If he didn’t leave for IU, I’d be surprised if he left for UNC.
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I don't think its going to be any of these guys. I would be amazed if they do anything outside the Carolina family. They didn't when Dean left, when Guthridge retired or when Doherty bombed.
Thats true. Youre probably right.
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I don't think Team Coach Buzz is in high demand these days.
Oh I don't think either will actually hire him, but I'm sure he's quietly let it be known that he'd answer their calls.
As others have said, UNC is probably going to be an inside hire - Miller or Davis. I'd guess Miller.
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I don't think Team Coach Buzz is in high demand these days.
Hard to create demand when you only win three games in the months of January, February, and March.
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Beard to Texas
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I don't think its going to be any of these guys. I would be amazed if they do anything outside the Carolina family. They didn't when Dean left, when Guthridge retired or when Doherty bombed.
Yep. Gonna be Hubert Davis or Wes Miller, I would think.
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Beard to Texas
April 1: Contract Day. Going to be wild.
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Beard to Texas
Brutal for TTU. Back to middling mediocrity
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Brutal for TTU. Back to middling mediocrity
For their sake, I hope the right hire can fix that. More because I'm counting on that happening here.
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Brutal for TTU. Back to middling mediocrity
They thought that after Knight left.
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They thought that after Knight left.
And they were right until they got Beard 3 coaches later.
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I am going to guess Grant McCasland to Texas Tech and Wes Miller to UNC.
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Brutal for TTU. Back to middling mediocrity
Imagine Mills, Golding, and McCasland will be the names that come up for TTU.
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And they were right until they got Beard 3 coaches later.
Maybe Pat Knight's kid can take over the TTU program.
Has McClung made any kind of declaration of his plans? He was kind of Beard's Markus Lite, had the green light to shoot whenever he wanted.
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RJ Davis....
Didn't have a good year. But Kerwin Walton would peak my interest. Minnesota native, so the Gophers would probably be in the mix as well.
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Matt Norlander reporting that Texas was targeting Chris Beard for Head Coach before Smart left. They were waiting for his buyout to drop, which it did today.
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My Nova friends are freaking out. They’re saying Jay reached out to UNC
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My Nova friends are freaking out. They’re saying Jay reached out to UNC
Honestly, I wouldn't be mad. Jay has done absolutely everything he could at Villanova. Villanova has yet to be officially dethroned as the Big East's top program since the reorganization. We need new programs to step up and carry the torch.
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My Nova friends are freaking out. They’re saying Jay reached out to UNC
I'm not buying it
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My Nova friends are freaking out. They’re saying Jay reached out to UNC
I wonder if UNC might be the one job in college hoops that Wright can't get.
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That would be certainly something. Maybe looking for a new challenge. I kind of figured he’d only leave Nova for an NBA job.
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I'm not buying it
Neither am I. The grass is quite a bit greener at Nova and He knows it and why tarnish his legacy there for what, UNC?
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My Nova friends are freaking out. They’re saying Jay reached out to UNC
Remind them that today is April 1.
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Remind them that today is April 1.
Actually the folks at Gonzaga are pretty sure Few is on his way to UNC.
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I'll believe Few or Wright at UNC when I see the official announcement.
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I wonder if UNC might be the one job in college hoops that Wright can't get.
You think UNC will only hire one of their own?
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The problem for UNC right now is that there is no clear successor to name that is an alum with successful high-major experience. Hubert Davis hasn't been a head coach. Jerry Stackhouse has had two losing seasons at Vanderbilt (while also attacking fans on social media). Wes Miller comes from a mid-major in UNC-Greensboro. Jerod Haase has not done nearly enough at UAB or Stanford to warrant consideration. Guys like George Karl and Larry Brown are not exactly young, nor are they likely able to put up with the demands of recruiting.
Jordan and Kupchak will likely be advisors in the search, considering the Jordan Brand connection.
Will be interesting who their identify as a top target. I don't think anyone really thought this job would open this cycle.
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Damn, it's a shame Scholl didn't know about the UNC opening a couple of weeks ago. He coulda saved the buyout.
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Brutal for TTU. Back to middling mediocrity
Wojo to the rescue? Tough day for TTU.
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You think UNC will only hire one of their own?
They've been doing it that way for 60 years.
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The problem for UNC right now is that there is no clear successor to name that is an alum with successful high-major experience. Hubert Davis hasn't been a head coach. Jerry Stackhouse has had two losing seasons at Vanderbilt (while also attacking fans on social media). Wes Miller comes from a mid-major in UNC-Greensboro. Jerod Haase has not done nearly enough at UAB or Stanford to warrant consideration. Guys like George Karl and Larry Brown are not exactly young, nor are they likely able to put up with the demands of recruiting.
Jordan and Kupchak will likely be advisors in the search, considering the Jordan Brand connection.
Will be interesting who their identify as a top target. I don't think anyone really thought this job would open this cycle.
which begs the question as to whether UNC will feel the need to stay inside the family. It obviously backfired once with Doherty and they were lucky someone the caliber of Roy was out there to get. Will they look back at that experience and be willing to look outside? Their AD was hired from the outside, having no connection to UNC.
I absolutely do not see Few going. The man is king in Spokane. He can kill a nun and the public would want to know what the nun did to deserve it. He also turned down Oregon, his alma mater, twice, and his parents live just south of Eugene. Jay Wright, however, I can see that happening.
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The problem for UNC right now is that there is no clear successor to name that is an alum with successful high-major experience. Hubert Davis hasn't been a head coach. Jerry Stackhouse has had two losing seasons at Vanderbilt (while also attacking fans on social media). Wes Miller comes from a mid-major in UNC-Greensboro. Jerod Haase has not done nearly enough at UAB or Stanford to warrant consideration. Guys like George Karl and Larry Brown are not exactly young, nor are they likely able to put up with the demands of recruiting.
Jordan and Kupchak will likely be advisors in the search, considering the Jordan Brand connection.
Will be interesting who their identify as a top target. I don't think anyone really thought this job would open this cycle.
I think it's likely both Davis and Miller have had other opportunities but turned them down in hopes of landing the Carolina gig.
Carolina has always placed being a "Carolina Man" ahead of head coaching experience. Dean Smith was never a head coach before he got the job. Neither was Bill Guthridge. Doherty had one season at ND under his belt. Ole Roy was the exception but, again, Carolina man.
They obviously could go another direction, but there's going to be strong pressure to hire from within the family. Miller and Davis both check off a lot of boxes for them.
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Early odds:
Hubert Davis Even
Wes Miller +200
Jerry Stackhouse +700
Tony Bennett +900
Jay Wright +1200
Nate Oats +1400
Scott Drew +1500
Steve Robinson +1800
Bill Self +2500
Brad Stevens +3000
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/columnist/dan-wolken/2021/04/01/roy-williams-retirement-begins-end-college-coaching-legends/4837619001/
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which begs the question as to whether UNC will feel the need to stay inside the family. It obviously backfired once with Doherty and they were lucky someone the caliber of Roy was out there to get. Will they look back at that experience and be willing to look outside? Their AD was hired from the outside, having no connection to UNC.
I absolutely do not see Few going. The man is king in Spokane. He can kill a nun and the public would want to know what the nun did to deserve it. He also turned down Oregon, his alma mater, twice, and his parents live just south of Eugene. Jay Wright, however, I can see that happening.
Really? He can win more titles at UNC that at NOVA? He can get better recruits than he is getting now?
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Either DePaul has a reason for liking this guy more than anyone could assume from a resume....or....they are such a mess that all they can get is someone willing to take the job for additional income prior to retirement knowing they don't plan to use DePaul as a stepping stone because it's nearly impossible to win there.
Will DePaul get involved in the bidding for Nimari Burnett now?
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/columnist/dan-wolken/2021/04/01/roy-williams-retirement-begins-end-college-coaching-legends/4837619001/
Great article. Says the Walker Kessler transfer may have been the straw that broke Roy's back.
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Really? He can win more titles at UNC that at NOVA? He can get better recruits than he is getting now?
Can he win more titles? Not sure. Can he get better recruits? Id argue it would be much easier. I love Jay Wright and hope he stays at Nova forever, but IMO, I think UNC is the top CBB job in the country, at least among the "blue bloods". Factoring location, facilities, reputation, history, and having the best player in history with the most impactful basketball brand as your alum and supporter.
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I’m thinking Goodman is getting a cut of Moser’s next contract. Whether at Loyola or elsewhere. He’s pumped him up for every job.
https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/1377670943812673539?s=21
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I get a coach, especially a younger coach, having some success and wanting to move to a place where you have more resources to recruit 5-stars and compete for a championship. Wright and Few already have that. Would going to a blue blood make it any easier? Maybe. But remember that you're trading in your built-up goodwill at home for a fanbase with even higher expectations and scrutiny.
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Fairly confident Moser is going to stay at Loyola for another year and take over Northwestern when Collins inevitably gets fired next season.
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Fairly confident Moser is going to stay at Loyola for another year and take over Northwestern when Collins inevitably gets fired next season.
If Creighton and McDermott part ways, I could see him going to his alma mater. Another Creighton transfer and some Zegarowski rumors might make this non-salvageable.
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If Creighton and McDermott part ways, I could see him going to his alma mater. Another Creighton transfer and some Zegarowski rumors might make this non-salvageable.
Moser isn't coaching too far from the 94 corridor.
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If Creighton and McDermott part ways, I could see him going to his alma mater. Another Creighton transfer and some Zegarowski rumors might make this non-salvageable.
TIL Zegarowski is related to Michael Carter-Williams.
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Not only would most Scoopers have lost their shyte if we had hired a coach with Beard's resume, but even more Scoopers would have lost their shyte if he left Marquette after 5 years to go to Texas.
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https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1377670943812673539?s=20
@GoodmanHoops
Loyola Chicago’s Porter Moser and North Texas’ Grant McCasland are both among the candidates for the Oklahoma opening, sources told @Stadium.
And, do you think this is a fair critique?
https://twitter.com/ExtraInnings10/status/1377676892308959232?s=20
@ExtraInnings10
@GoodmanHoops @JoshOn1400 @Stadium Porter Moser-
Fired at Illinois State (51-65). At Loyola: with Cameron Krutwig: 99-35.
Without Krutwig: 89-105.
Can he coach w/out the big guy? Too many questions.
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Fairly confident Moser is going to stay at Loyola for another year and take over Northwestern when Collins inevitably gets fired next season.
While I could absolutely see this, boy would that be underwhelming for Porter Moser given his stock being at an all-time high. He was probably stunned he didn't get Marquette.
Creighton makes more sense given McDermott is hanging on by a thread and he's an alum.
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https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1377670943812673539?s=20
@GoodmanHoops
Loyola Chicago’s Porter Moser and North Texas’ Grant McCasland are both among the candidates for the Oklahoma opening, sources told @Stadium.
And, do you think this is a fair critique?
https://twitter.com/ExtraInnings10/status/1377676892308959232?s=20
@ExtraInnings10
@GoodmanHoops @JoshOn1400 @Stadium Porter Moser-
Fired at Illinois State (51-65). At Loyola: with Cameron Krutwig: 99-35.
Without Krutwig: 89-105.
It's more of a fact than a critique. And of course it's fair.
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Moser isn't coaching too far from the 94 corridor.
My prediction is he convinces all his current seniors to run it back next year, they make another deep run, then he takes ND when it opens up
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Anytime you can hire a 50 something nomadic assistant who spent the vast majority of his career in the West/Southwest to coach a Big East program in Chicago, you gotta do it. 2-12 as interim for Lou Henson at NMSU is glowing as well.
From my DePaul buddy: "Surprised. But probably as much star power as he could get being unable to spend $2 million."
He thinks they should have gone with Tom Kleinschmidt.
DePaul gonna DePaul.
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A few observations on some of the above posts
Doubt if McDermott is hanging by a thread. If he is, he can walk away and find a better gig. He is a damn good coach.
Likely UNC will stay within. After all, we heard from MU and Shaka it is all about family. Having said that if Wright wanted that job he would get it. Likely he is happy at Villanova. He can compete for championships just as well at Villanova.
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Any Wardle updates?
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Any Wardle updates?
Probably won't get the North Carolina job.
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Doubt if McDermott is hanging by a thread. If he is, he can walk away and find a better gig. He is a damn good coach.
He's hanging on by a thread. Not predicting he's going to lose his job this cycle, but he's hanging on by a thread.
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He's hanging on by a thread. Not predicting he's going to lose his job this cycle, but he's hanging on by a thread.
Yep. General rule to live by, if what's public is bad, what's not public is probably worse.
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Yep. General rule to live by, if what's public is bad, what's not public is probably worse.
McDermott actually keeps his players on a plantation!?!?
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I don't think McDermott is hanging by a thread based on talking to Omaha contacts.
Probably woulda been done by now and there is no chatter they have heard...
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Any Wardle updates?
He finished under .500, and still hasn’t finished better than 3rd in conference. I don’t anticipate anyone knocking down his door. His best bet is another good year or two and trying to get an AAC or A10 job in the Midwest. Cant see him being attractive to anything higher than an upper mid major short of a couple very impressive years.
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Any Wardle updates?
Ask Willie
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He finished under .500, and still hasn’t finished better than 3rd in conference. I don’t anticipate anyone knocking down his door. His best bet is another good year or two and trying to get an AAC or A10 job in the Midwest. Cant see him being attractive to anything higher than an upper mid major short of a couple very impressive years.
he is what he is: a solid mid-major coach.
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Anyone know the deal with the Mike Woodson quitting Indiana article from Sports Illustrated? It was taken down. Did they jump the gun?
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A few observations on some of the above posts
Doubt if McDermott is hanging by a thread. If he is, he can walk away and find a better gig. He is a damn good coach.
Walk away and find a better gig? Like where?
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Anyone know the deal with the Mike Woodson quitting Indiana article from Sports Illustrated? It was taken down. Did they jump the gun?
I think they fell for a local news station's April Fool's joke.
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Anyone know the deal with the Mike Woodson quitting Indiana article from Sports Illustrated? It was taken down. Did they jump the gun?
Here's the cached version
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:9uMmx8Ere9UJ:https://www.si.com/college/indiana/basketball/april-fools-indiana-mike-woodson-quits-at-indiana-to-record-bedtime-stories+&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
Dateline BLOOMINGTON, Ind. (April 1, 2021, 8 a.m. ET) – The feel-good Coming2Bloomington story of Mike Woodson returning to his alma mater at Indiana as its new basketball coach came to an abrupt ending on Thursday morning when the legendary former Hoosiers star told Sports Illustrated Indiana that he was quitting. (AF)
Woodson, a great player at Indiana from 1976-1980, played 11 years in the NBA and coached another 25. He was living in New York City – the most famous city in the world – and decided to move to little ol' Bloomington on Monday when he was offered the job by current athletic director and former IU towel boy Scott Dolson. (AF)
"I kept thinking every morning and every night that I was moving from New York City to Bloomington, and that just started to blow my mind,'' Woodson said. In New York, "anything I wanted was a phone call away. Right after I got here I ordered some spaghetti with marinara sauce and got egg noodles with ketchup. I'm an average nobody. I get to live the rest of my life like a schnook." (AF) *(Footnote, quotes courtesy of Henry Hill, "Goodfellas'')
Woodson is 63 years old. He grew up in inner-city Indianapolis and then spent four years in Bloomington as a great player for Bob Knight. But from there he lived in New York, Sacramento, Los Angeles, Houston, Cleveland, Milwaukee, Cleveland again, Philadelphia, Detroit, Atlanta, New York again, Los Angeles again, and New York a third time. (AF)
Big cities, big fun. And there's there's this little Southern Indiana place, population 84,000 if all the students weren't denied admission to campus because of COVID. (AF)
Woodson said he hasn't been well-received since he got to Bloomington, because a lot of fans who are Hall of Fame coaches from their mom's basement wanted a young, flashy successful college coach instead instead of an old man who's never once coached a college game. They couldn't understand why Indiana athletic director Scott "Cletus" Dolson hired him in the first place. (AF)
Woodson said, "One dude in overalls said, 'I don’t know why Cletus drug your tired old bones in here, he must of owed you something fierce. Fact is, mister, you start screwing up this team, I’ll personally hide-strap your ass to a pine rail and send you up the Monon Line!' '' (AF) *(Footnote, quotes courtesy of George Walker, "Hoosiers'')
Woodson said he couldn't figure out the media situation here in Indiana, either, when he went out to "get the papers, get the papers.'' (AF) (Footnote, "Goodfellas"
"There's like 40 people on the conference call at my first press conference, so I asked my assistant to go out and pick up all the newspapers around the state so I could read them all. She got papers from Bloomington, Indianapolis, South Bend, Lafayette, Muncie, Evansville, Richmond, Martinsville, Bedford, French Lick, Paoli, Spencer and Clay City – and it was THE SAME STORY in every paper.'' (AF) (Editor's Note: Sadly, that is not made up.)
Woodson said that he drove over to Bob Knight's house and sat down for a visit. He doesn't understand why all sorts of people in Bloomington were asking if Coach Knight threw him a chair. "That's like the oldest, most stale joke in Indiana basketball history,'' Woodson said. "It wasn't funny 35 years ago, and it's sure not funny now.'' (AF) (Sadly, that's true, too.) (AF)
Woodson said he met with Indiana's current players players, but he couldn't understand why Trey Galloway had his pants tucked into his socks, why Khristian Lander had a man-bun and not a bald head and goatee like Woody rocks, why Joey Brunk's back was worse than his and why Trayce Jackson-Davis shook hands with him using his left hand. (AF) (Sorry, TJD, just had to do it.)
He met with all his new players out in the lobby at Assembly Hall, out by all the statues. He wondered why he didn't have a statue himself. "I scored 2,000 damn points and won Big Ten Player of the Year when I only played six games!!!!'' (AF) (Actually, that's true too, amazingly.)
Woodson also wondered why there was no statue of his coach, Bob Knight, who won three titles in the building. "If I was going to stay, that would be the first thing I'd fix,'' Woodson said. (AF) (We all concur on that one.)
Woodson said that after everyone listened to his silky smooth voice during all his press conferences that he got all sorts of requests from people asking him to record voicemail message for them, or recording jingles for their Tik-Tok videos – ''but I didn't know what that was,'' Woodson said. (AF).
The folks over at The Bluebird, Bloomington's coolest music place when live music is allowed, asked him to come over and play the sax for a while and just read lyrics. ''His voice is so cool,'' the Bluebird guys said, ''that we could probably sell out the place even if he was just reading the phone book.'' (AF) For you young people, a phone book is a large printed object that has names and phone numbers in it of everyone who lives in your town. There was a time when "Siri, call Lindsey's cell'' actually didn't work.
With all that, the silky smooth Woodson decided to use those dulcet tones to record audio versions of bedtime stories instead of coaching basketball, hence the announcement today on April 1. That soft, soothing voice "will make millions,'' some slick NYC record producer said. (AF) (Yea, youngsters, a music record is ...oh, never mind. You know what they are, now that vinyl is back.)
And if you're wondering what all these (AF) symbols are after every headline and paragraph, it stands for ... APRIL FOOLS!!!!
Mike Woodson and those dulcet tones aren't going anywhere, baby. He'll find good Italian food in Bloomington, he'll get that Bob Knight statue built, he'll win a lot of games and he will teach Trayce Jackson-Davis how to shake — and bake – with that right hand.
Mike Woodson is going to be great in Bloomington. I really needed a laugh early this morning, and I hope you got one, too.
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Saw a tweet from him quoted which made me think about it, surprised Levelle Moton from North Carolina Central never comes up in the coaching carousel. I can only assume he has minimal interest in leaving his alma mater. But he’s been incredibly successful in a tough spot to win.
Would actually be interesting if Wes Miller took the UNC job to see if Moton’s name came up at UNCG
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@AdamZagoria: Porter Moser is a leading candidate at Oklahoma, per sources.
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@AdamZagoria: Porter Moser is a leading candidate at Oklahoma, per sources.
Well then
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Walk away and find a better gig? Like where?
if I’m the AD at Texas Tech, I’d call McDermott. Conversation is free.
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if I’m the AD at Texas Tech, I’d call McDermott. Conversation is free.
Too soon for a Gregg Marshall rehabilitation? Would be a good fit in Lubbock
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@AdamZagoria: Porter Moser is a leading candidate at Oklahoma, per sources.
That is one heck of a commute.
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if I’m the AD at Texas Tech, I’d call McDermott. Conversation is free.
That’s not a better gig.
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Any Wardle updates?
I’d take Wardle over Woodson.
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I’d take Wardle over Woodson.
Not me.
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UNC is the most overrated job in college basketball now. With transfers and the 1 and done portal bigger than ever before, it will be harder than ever to succeed at UNC with all of the expectations. UNC will be the next Indiana if they don't get the right coach. Anyone want to bet that UNC doesn't win a title in next 10 years?
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UNC is the most overrated job in college basketball now. With transfers and the 1 and done portal bigger than ever before, it will be harder than ever to succeed at UNC with all of the expectations. UNC will be the next Indiana if they don't get the right coach. Anyone want to bet that UNC doesn't win a title in next 10 years?
Was this supposed to be teal?
In the 15 years since the 1 and Done rule came to be, UNC has had 11 top 15 classes, made 7 E8s, 4 FFs, and 3 Title games.
For comparisons, Duke made 5, 2, and 2. UK made 6, 2, and 1. KU made 7, 3, and 2.
Indiana? 0, 0, and 0.
For fun, Nova has made 4, 3, and 2. And MSU 5, 4, and 1.
So in the 1 and Done era, UNC has been more successful in March than any other blue blood program. They also won or shared 1st in the ACC 9 times. Duke for comparison has only won or shared the ACC 2 times in that same time frame.
So if UNC is “the most overrated” in this era, then no major historical, and also recently successful, programs are great jobs. Every program is a bad hire away from falling down a few notches. It’s happened to UCLA lately, happened to Kentucky for a bit, obviously Indiana. But UNC has boatloads of recent success and the set up to be successful into the future and to declare otherwise is ridiculous. But then again, you made a moronic point about Roy winning a title with “Doherty’s players” like it was some scarlet letter against him, so who knows. Just another hot take
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Walk away and find a better gig? Like where?
Look around. Plenty of gigs. If he gets let go, we shall see where he ends up
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Was this supposed to be teal?
In the 15 years since the 1 and Done rule came to be, UNC has had 11 top 15 classes, made 7 E8s, 4 FFs, and 3 Title games.
For comparisons, Duke made 5, 2, and 2. UK made 6, 2, and 1. KU made 7, 3, and 2.
Indiana? 0, 0, and 0.
For fun, Nova has made 4, 3, and 2. And MSU 5, 4, and 1.
So in the 1 and Done era, UNC has been more successful in March than any other blue blood program. They also won or shared 1st in the ACC 9 times. Duke for comparison has only won or shared the ACC 2 times in that same time frame.
So if UNC is “the most overrated” in this era, then no major historical, and also recently successful, programs are great jobs. Every program is a bad hire away from falling down a few notches. It’s happened to UCLA lately, happened to Kentucky for a bit, obviously Indiana. But UNC has boatloads of recent success and the set up to be successful into the future and to declare otherwise is ridiculous. But then again, you made a moronic point about Roy winning a title with “Doherty’s players” like it was some scarlet letter against him, so who knows. Just another hot take
....but it alway boils down to this: the Coach makes the program, not the program making the coach. The last 7 years should have taught us that.
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Look around. Plenty of gigs. If he gets let go, we shall see where he ends up
Ahh.... you went with avoiding to answer the question I see.
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UNC is the best job in college basketball, and I honestly don’t think it’s really close.
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That’s not a better gig.
But it is a reset.
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But it is a reset.
Correct. But willie claimed he’d get a better gig.
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Correct. But willie claimed he’d get a better gig.
If he gets dumped at Creighton, anyone thinking he’ll get a better job is deluding themselves
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UNC is the most overrated job in college basketball now. With transfers and the 1 and done portal bigger than ever before, it will be harder than ever to succeed at UNC with all of the expectations. UNC will be the next Indiana if they don't get the right coach. Anyone want to bet that UNC doesn't win a title in next 10 years?
In ten years they will another title.
UNC will always be the best job in college basketball. 60 plus years of tradition and The campus and Chapel Hill is a great collegiate environment. Coaches there don’t have to recruit, they select for the most part,and then they focus on game coaching and player development .
Roy opted out because he said he wasn’t the man for the job anymore . Basically called Next Man Up on himself.I respect him for that .
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In ten years they will another title.
UNC will always be the best job in college basketball. 60 plus years of tradition and The campus and Chapel Hill is a great collegiate environment. Coaches there don’t have to recruit, they select for the most part,and then they focus on game coaching and player development .
Roy opted out because he said he wasn’t the man for the job anymore . Basically called Next Man Up on himself.I respect him for that .
They already offered me the job and the lawyers are working out the details despite that I have no coaching experience. They told me not to worry as the program will take care of all that; just look good on TV. Looking forward to being in the Coaches Hall of fame.
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UNC is the best job in college basketball, and I honestly don’t think it’s really close.
Kentucky is the only other in the conversation.
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UNC is the best job in college basketball, and I honestly don’t think it’s really close.
I agree completely.
UNC will always be the best job in college basketball.
And that's where I draw the line. They are clearly the best job in college basketball right now. But it would be foolish for them to think like this. You could be right. But there was certainly a time when UCLA and Indiana would have easily been considered "top five" jobs in college basketball and I'm sure many people thought that would always be the case. UCLA is recovering, but I don't think it's top five any more. Indiana...well...it's...ummmm...let's just say that "It's Indiana" has a very, very different meaning than it did just 12 years ago.
UNC is two or three bad hires from losing their strangle-hold on the top spot. They managed to right the ship after a couple lackluster hires when they hired Roy.
I'm not saying that I think that UNC will lose it's top spot. They do have a lot going for them that will help them weather some storms, but nothing is guaranteed. People are fickle and these schools' fortunes are made by recruiting 16-17 year old boys. Forget about the national championship, the HS kids being recruited now weren't even alive the last time MU made the FF. It doesn't take long for people to forget.
UNC has a decision to make whether they want to keep things in the family. History suggests that they do. That could be a mistake because I don't think that there are any rock stars available and there is no Roy Williams waiting in the wings to save the day if a couple of the young up-and-comers try and fail. I think one of two things will happen. Either UNC will get lucky and one of these young, inexperienced guys will actually be able to coach, or in 3-4 years they'll back an armored car up to Jay Wright's house (or someone similar) and finally go outside the family.
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Main front-page article in the Charlotte Observer this morning, with headline type almost the size of Japan Bombs Pearl Harbor, is Roy Williams retiring.
And Charlotte is about 3 hours from Chapel Hill.
I guess it's a pretty big story here.
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I agree completely.
And that's where I draw the line. They are clearly the best job in college basketball right now. But it would be foolish for them to think like this. You could be right. But there was certainly a time when UCLA and Indiana would have easily been considered "top five" jobs in college basketball and I'm sure many people thought that would always be the case. UCLA is recovering, but I don't think it's top five any more. Indiana...well...it's...ummmm...let's just say that "It's Indiana" has a very, very different meaning than it did just 12 years ago.
UNC is two or three bad hires from losing their strangle-hold on the top spot. They managed to right the ship after a couple lackluster hires when they hired Roy.
I'm not saying that I think that UNC will lose it's top spot. They do have a lot going for them that will help them weather some storms, but nothing is guaranteed. People are fickle and these schools' fortunes are made by recruiting 16-17 year old boys. Forget about the national championship, the HS kids being recruited now weren't even alive the last time MU made the FF. It doesn't take long for people to forget.
UNC has a decision to make whether they want to keep things in the family. History suggests that they do. That could be a mistake because I don't think that there are any rock stars available and there is no Roy Williams waiting in the wings to save the day if a couple of the young up-and-comers try and fail. I think one of two things will happen. Either UNC will get lucky and one of these young, inexperienced guys will actually be able to coach, or in 3-4 years they'll back an armored car up to Jay Wright's house (or someone similar) and finally go outside the family.
I assume the armored car is not filled with paid mercenaries with automatic weapons to to commandeer Jay or their next coach; otherwise that is rather old school, just setup a cryptocurrency account.
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Main front-page article in the Charlotte Observer this morning, with headline type almost the size of Japan Bombs Pearl Harbor, is Roy Williams retiring.
And Charlotte is about 3 hours from Chapel Hill.
I guess it's a pretty big story here.
Their version of Huasershima with Nagasaki thrown in.
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I assume the armored car is not filled with paid mercenaries with automatic weapons to to commandeer Jay or their next coach; otherwise that is rather old school, just setup a cryptocurrency account.
That's funny. When I was typing that, I actually thought to myself, "is there a 'u' in there? Nah...I think that's just a British thing like colour." LOL
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Roy was said to have not been looking forward to dealing with the "new normal," with 1,000 kids in the transfer portal before the Final Four even began.
Interesting factoid I just read:
Through his first 15 seasons at North Carolina, Williams had just four players transfer and three one-and-dones enter the NBA draft. The past three seasons have produced six transfers and four one-and-dones.
Plus, it's not as easy to push athletes to non-existent courses at UNC anymore. I mean, what is this world coming to?
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UNC is the best job in college basketball, and I honestly don’t think it’s really close.
I think UK and KU are both pretty close.
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I agree completely.
And that's where I draw the line. They are clearly the best job in college basketball right now. But it would be foolish for them to think like this. You could be right. But there was certainly a time when UCLA and Indiana would have easily been considered "top five" jobs in college basketball and I'm sure many people thought that would always be the case. UCLA is recovering, but I don't think it's top five any more. Indiana...well...it's...ummmm...let's just say that "It's Indiana" has a very, very different meaning than it did just 12 years ago.
UNC is two or three bad hires from losing their strangle-hold on the top spot. They managed to right the ship after a couple lackluster hires when they hired Roy.
I'm not saying that I think that UNC will lose it's top spot. They do have a lot going for them that will help them weather some storms, but nothing is guaranteed. People are fickle and these schools' fortunes are made by recruiting 16-17 year old boys. Forget about the national championship, the HS kids being recruited now weren't even alive the last time MU made the FF. It doesn't take long for people to forget.
UNC has a decision to make whether they want to keep things in the family. History suggests that they do. That could be a mistake because I don't think that there are any rock stars available and there is no Roy Williams waiting in the wings to save the day if a couple of the young up-and-comers try and fail. I think one of two things will happen. Either UNC will get lucky and one of these young, inexperienced guys will actually be able to coach, or in 3-4 years they'll back an armored car up to Jay Wright's house (or someone similar) and finally go outside the family.
UCLA is the proper analogy to UNC. In the post Wooden era, UCLA still has one of the best records in College Basketball. Yes, if they get two mediocre coaches in a row, like they did with Larry Farmer and Walt Hazzard, they will dip down, but the Alumni will force the school to find someone better. In fact the leash at UCLA is very short now. Steve Lavin, one bad year and out, Ben Howland one scandal and out. Alford, showed signs of trending down and out. Cronin will have the job until he screws up and then they find another good coach. Yes kids are fickle, but Westwood and the Campus tucked up against Bel Aire never goes out of style. Kids want to be a part of that .
I think UNC will move to the UCLA model and have tighter leash on its coaches going forward.They had one taste of what a Matt Doherty can do and won't let that happen again.
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And that's where I draw the line. They are clearly the best job in college basketball right now. But it would be foolish for them to think like this. You could be right. But there was certainly a time when UCLA and Indiana would have easily been considered "top five" jobs in college basketball and I'm sure many people thought that would always be the case. UCLA is recovering, but I don't think it's top five any more. Indiana...well...it's...ummmm...let's just say that "It's Indiana" has a very, very different meaning than it did just 12 years ago.
UNC is two or three bad hires from losing their strangle-hold on the top spot. They managed to right the ship after a couple lackluster hires when they hired Roy.
Totally agree. UNC is still the top job unless they really screw it up.
But when people said "and it always will be," I immediately thought of UCLA and Indiana. And of the fact that Guthridge and then Doherty brought them to the brink of messing it up. If they hadn't hit a home run with Roy, UNC could have become what UCLA and IU are today: great, high-paying jobs, but certainly not the best in college hoops.
This hire is big for them. But the even bigger hire is whomever they hire after that if this guy doesn't work out....
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So here it goes. Will UNC hire a minority coach?
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Someone's already looking for a raise.
@CoachingChanges: Names of guys for Texas Tech right now
Buzz Williams
Jerome Tang
Grant McCasland
Kyle Keller
Frank Martin
Joe Golding
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Someone's already looking for a raise.
@CoachingChanges: Names of guys for Texas Tech right now
Buzz Williams
Jerome Tang
Grant McCasland
Kyle Keller
Frank Martin
Joe Golding
@coachingchanges also mentioned Buzz to UNC as a possibility... with Jordan backing it?... unless I read that tweet wrong.
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So here it goes. Will UNC hire a minority coach?
Well, the guy considered one of two leading candidates is Black ... so, maybe.
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Ahh.... you went with avoiding to answer the question I see.
No, you are avoiding reading. Lets see, he is a damn good coach, there are numerous openings and more will come available. Doubt if he gets canned at Creighton but will land some where that will pay him as well if he was. Do your own speculation.
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@coachingchanges also mentioned Buzz to UNC as a possibility... with Jordan backing it?... unless I read that tweet wrong.
He was talking about Buzz Peterson, Jordans old roommate at UNC.
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I don't think McDermott is hanging by a thread based on talking to Omaha contacts.
Probably woulda been done by now and there is no chatter they have heard...
I'm from Omaha and have family and a few friends in the grassroots circuit/Creighton AD, and what I've heard is that all bets are off with Mac and what is going to happen there. Creighton handled that about as terribly as you could, and while Mac is Rasmussen's guy through and through, you never know.
That locker room was tense ever since last summer (some guys did not love how the university handled the BLM protests - Creighton has always had a comical lack of minority students on campus) and a dumpster fire from February on. Top 30 TyTy Washingon de-commits days after the comments, Creighton's only "surefire" returning player who was set up for a starring role in Christian Bishop leaves days after the season ends, and every other day there's an NBA player or other media type throwing around plantation jabs at Creighton.
Keep in mind, Creighton is only a few years removed from the Mo Watson rape allegation saga which was plastered all over the Omaha World-Herald (hey that sounds familiar) and led to internal rifts, and one year removed from having to fire assistant coach Preston Murphy for being at the forefront of the Brian Bowen pay-for-play deal. So Mac's tenure hasn't exactly been sterling even before the plantation comments. Again, we'll see.
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I'm from Omaha and have family and a few friends in the grassroots circuit/Creighton AD, and what I've heard is that all bets are off with Mac and what is going to happen there. Creighton handled that about as terribly as you could, and while Mac is Rasmussen's guy through and through, you never know.
That locker room was tense ever since last summer (some guys did not love how the university handled the BLM protests - Creighton has always had a comical lack of minority students on campus) and a dumpster fire from February on. Top 30 TyTy Washingon de-commits days after the comments, Creighton's only "surefire" returning player who was set up for a starring role in Christian Bishop leaves days after the season ends, and every other day there's an NBA player or other media type throwing around plantation jabs at Creighton.
Keep in mind, Creighton is only a few years removed from the Mo Watson rape allegation saga which was plastered all over the Omaha World-Herald (hey that sounds familiar) and led to internal rifts, and one year removed from having to fire assistant coach Preston Murphy for being at the forefront of the Brian Bowen pay-for-play deal. So Mac's tenure hasn't exactly been sterling even before the plantation comments. Again, we'll see.
Seems like DePaul is trying to become the next Creighton with their hire this week.
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He was talking about Buzz Peterson, Jordans old roommate at UNC.
That makes a hell of a lot more sense. I couldn't wrap my head around it last night before I went to bed. ahahahah
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Bill Self gets a lifetime contract at Kansas. As if he was going to go anywhere anyways
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UNC is the best job in college basketball, and I honestly don’t think it’s really close.
That case can certainly be made and it's strong. I would probably put Duke & Kentucky up as the closest competition, with Kansas just behind.
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That case can certainly be made and it's strong. I would probably put Duke & Kentucky up as the closest competition, with Kansas just behind.
Duke has obviously had massive success but is it that good of a job, post-K? They have a very unique brand of hateableness (patent pending) that will be hard to continue under anyone else.
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Duke has obviously had massive success but is it that good of a job, post-K? They have a very unique brand of hateableness (patent pending) that will be hard to continue under anyone else.
It is a top 5 job without a doubt. Would I be banging down doors to take that job? Debatable. After they've gone through a coach or two? Absolutely.
Following Coack K in Durham is going to be difficult. Hopefully they have reasonable expectations.
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It is a top 5 job without a doubt. Would I be banging down doors to take that job? Debatable. After they've gone through a coach or two? Absolutely.
Following Coack K in Durham is going to be difficult. Hopefully they have reasonable expectations.
You know what they say...
You don’t want to be the guy who replaces a legend. You want to be the guy who replaces the guy who replaces a legend.
(I think that will hold true at UNC, too.)
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No, you are avoiding reading. Lets see, he is a damn good coach, there are numerous openings and more will come available. Doubt if he gets canned at Creighton but will land some where that will pay him as well if he was. Do your own speculation.
No, he wouldn’t
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So here it goes. Will UNC hire a minority coach?
I hope so. Mostly to watch the snowflakes meltdown
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I hope so. Mostly to watch the snowflakes meltdown
So you think people with leftist political beliefs would be upset if UNC hires a minority??
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Roy was said to have not been looking forward to dealing with the "new normal," with 1,000 kids in the transfer portal before the Final Four even began.
Interesting factoid I just read:
Through his first 15 seasons at North Carolina, Williams had just four players transfer and three one-and-dones enter the NBA draft. The past three seasons have produced six transfers and four one-and-dones.
Plus, it's not as easy to push athletes to non-existent courses at UNC anymore. I mean, what is this world coming to?
I don't blame Roy one bit. The transfer portal is a crap show. At this point in his career he does not want to deal with all the BS. Would not be surprised if Coach K feels the same way.
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So here it goes. Will UNC hire a minority coach?
I could see UNC hiring a guy like Hubert Davis and pairing him with an experienced assistant like Michigan did with Howard. I bet Larry Brown would love a role like that, maybe George Karl if his health allows...
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So you think people with leftist political beliefs would be upset if UNC hires a minority??
No, old white people
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I'm from Omaha and have family and a few friends in the grassroots circuit/Creighton AD, and what I've heard is that all bets are off with Mac and what is going to happen there. Creighton handled that about as terribly as you could, and while Mac is Rasmussen's guy through and through, you never know.
That locker room was tense ever since last summer (some guys did not love how the university handled the BLM protests - Creighton has always had a comical lack of minority students on campus) and a dumpster fire from February on. Top 30 TyTy Washingon de-commits days after the comments, Creighton's only "surefire" returning player who was set up for a starring role in Christian Bishop leaves days after the season ends, and every other day there's an NBA player or other media type throwing around plantation jabs at Creighton.
Keep in mind, Creighton is only a few years removed from the Mo Watson rape allegation saga which was plastered all over the Omaha World-Herald (hey that sounds familiar) and led to internal rifts, and one year removed from having to fire assistant coach Preston Murphy for being at the forefront of the Brian Bowen pay-for-play deal. So Mac's tenure hasn't exactly been sterling even before the plantation comments. Again, we'll see.
Thanks for posting this. I've had my doubts that Mac would survive and was beginning to think that if it had not been fired yet, he might be safe. A network person brought up the plantation comments before one of their tourney games. I am pretty sure it was not her idea, but rather a case of following instructions from a producer. It simply is not going to go away. I do not want to get into the pissing contest debating whether or not he should be fired, but I think it may be just a matter of time before he's gone.
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I hope so. Mostly to watch the snowflakes meltdown
They’ll only “meltdown” if he isn’t qualified, regardless of race. You know, if they go the Minnesota route.
Seems like you are promoting tokenism.
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They’ll only “meltdown” if he isn’t qualified, regardless of race.
Anybody UNC hires will be qualified, regardless of race. It's one of the best 3 jobs in college basketball. Everybody who already has been mentioned seriously is very qualified.
So then it comes down to if, say, Hubert Davis is hired, how many racists scream, "He only got the job because he's Black!"
I mean, several Scoopers are convinced that the only reason Shaka got the MU job was because he's Black.
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Anybody UNC hires will be qualified, regardless of race. It's one of the best 3 jobs in college basketball. Everybody who already has been mentioned seriously is very qualified.
So then it comes down to if, say, Hubert Davis is hired, how many racists scream, "He only got the job because he's Black!"
I mean, several Scoopers are convinced that the only reason Shaka got the MU job was because he's Black.
Is Stackhouse qualified based upon his coaching record?
I doubt you’ll hear much complaining at all is Davis gets it. Steve Robinson seems to be a prime candidate too.
There would be more screaming if a non UNC guy (even Wright or Few) got the job than if Davis or Robinson (even with a poor HC record) got it. At the same time, there would be a significant amount of screaming from ESPN, FS1, etc of “UNC missed a chance to send a message” and other cries of “racism” if a dude like Miller gets the job.
Outrage sells. The merchants on both sides are teed up.
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They’ll only “meltdown” if he isn’t qualified, regardless of race. You know, if they go the Minnesota route.
Seems like you are promoting tokenism.
Nope. I’m promoting snowflake meltdown. Only one group is bringing up the race of coaches being hired
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Is Stackhouse qualified based upon his coaching record?
I doubt you’ll hear much complaining at all is Davis gets it. Steve Robinson seems to be a prime candidate too.
There would be more screaming if a non UNC guy (even Wright or Few) got the job than if Davis or Robinson (even with a poor HC record) got it. At the same time, there would be a significant amount of screaming from ESPN, FS1, etc of “UNC missed a chance to send a message” and other cries of “racism” if a dude like Miller gets the job.
Outrage sells. The merchants on both sides are teed up.
Stackhouse is arguably more qualified for the UNC job than Wojo was for the Marquette job and than Doherty was for the UNC job. And he’s DEFINITELY more qualified than Kingsbury was for the Arizona Cardinals job. Ipso fatso, those three only got those positions because they were white, right?
And plenty of racists WOULD rip them for hiring Davis.
You know, Billy, it’s OK to “send a message” (your words) AND hire someone who is qualified.
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Is Stackhouse qualified based upon his coaching record?
I doubt you’ll hear much complaining at all is Davis gets it. Steve Robinson seems to be a prime candidate too.
There would be more screaming if a non UNC guy (even Wright or Few) got the job than if Davis or Robinson (even with a poor HC record) got it. At the same time, there would be a significant amount of screaming from ESPN, FS1, etc of “UNC missed a chance to send a message” and other cries of “racism” if a dude like Miller gets the job.
Outrage sells. The merchants on both sides are teed up.
Good lord Robinson would be a bad hire. He was putrid at FSU and he would be 64 when the season started.
Stackhouse is arguably more qualified for the UNC job than Wojo was for the Marquette job and than Doherty was for the UNC job.
Wojo sure, but not Doherty. Doherty stunk at UNC but he was a high major assistant for almost a decade and then had a fairly nice season at ND, who had been terrible for a decade post-Digger. Stackhouse had no college coaching experience and limited NBA experience before getting the Vandy job. He was very solid with Raptors 905 and I think his trajectory at Vandy will be nice, but hes still very much an unproven college commodity.
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No, you are avoiding reading. Lets see, he is a damn good coach, there are numerous openings and more will come available. Doubt if he gets canned at Creighton but will land some where that will pay him as well if he was. Do your own speculation.
Avoiding the question Part II. You said "better gig." Now you are shifting goalposts too.
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Anybody UNC hires will be qualified, regardless of race. It's one of the best 3 jobs in college basketball. Everybody who already has been mentioned seriously is very qualified.
So then it comes down to if, say, Hubert Davis is hired, how many racists scream, "He only got the job because he's Black!"
I mean, several Scoopers are convinced that the only reason Shaka got the MU job was because he's Black.
Hubert Davis is completely qualified for the job. With long ties to UNC and Overall basketball experience. My sense is if Hubert truly desired the job , he would get it.
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Doherty stunk at UNC but he was a high major assistant for almost a decade and then had a fairly nice season at ND, who had been terrible for a decade post-Digger. Stackhouse had no college coaching experience and limited NBA experience before getting the Vandy job. He was very solid with Raptors 905 and I think his trajectory at Vandy will be nice, but hes still very much an unproven college commodity.
Fair. Though I don't think playing 18 NBA seasons for 8 different teams under 10 head coaches and dozens of assistants -- including his last couple of years as an "elder statesman/coach on the floor" kind of guy -- should be ignored. Stackhouse has a world of experience relating to athletes and coaches. And he knows exactly what it takes to make it in the NBA, which is the goal of pretty much every UNC recruit.
McDonald's All-American ... UNC All-American ... NBA All-Star ... played under numerous coaching styles in 18 NBA seasons ... NBA assistant ... G-League head coach ... SEC head coach ... bleeds Carolina blue.
I'm not a UNC fan, but if I were I'd have absolutely no problem with somebody with Stackhouse's resume getting the job. Nor Davis, obviously.
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Fair. Though I don't think playing 18 NBA seasons for 8 different teams under 10 head coaches and dozens of assistants -- including his last couple of years as an "elder statesman/coach on the floor" kind of guy -- should be ignored. Stackhouse has a world of experience relating to athletes and coaches. And he knows exactly what it takes to make it in the NBA, which is the goal of pretty much every UNC recruit.
McDonald's All-American ... UNC All-American ... NBA All-Star ... played under numerous coaching styles in 18 NBA seasons ... NBA assistant ... G-League head coach ... SEC head coach ... bleeds Carolina blue.
I'm not a UNC fan, but if I were I'd have absolutely no problem with somebody with Stackhouse's resume getting the job. Nor Davis, obviously.
Okay, but then check his college coaching career record. Now, don't get me wrong, two seasons isn't much to judge and its Vanderbilt. But I can understand some hesitation. Maybe he needs more time to prove that he can coach the college game.
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Stackhouse has gotten into some Twitter battles with fans/writers. I’m not sure it’s disqualifying, but would make me wonder how he’d handle a job like UNC.
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Stackhouse has gotten into some Twitter battles with fans/writers. I’m not sure it’s disqualifying, but would make me wonder how he’d handle a job like UNC.
Yes, also this.
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Avoiding the question Part II. You said "better gig." Now you are shifting goalposts too.
No shifting
I cannot tell you the gig because the one coaching jobs are constantly shifting, just as many other things are fluid. So take your goalposts and stuff them.
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So you think people with leftist political beliefs would be upset if UNC hires a minority??
Touche.
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Moser to Oklahoma, apparently.
https://twitter.com/joehoopsreport/status/1378091885936451585?s=21
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Moser to Oklahoma, apparently.
https://twitter.com/joehoopsreport/status/1378091885936451585?s=21
This has Jeff Capel written all over it. But, he’ll get paid.
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Moser to Oklahoma, apparently.
https://twitter.com/joehoopsreport/status/1378091885936451585?s=21
Best of luck, should be interesting.
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Feels like if we wanted Porter, we would've gotten Porter.
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Stackhouse is arguably more qualified for the UNC job than Wojo was for the Marquette job and than Doherty was for the UNC job. And he’s DEFINITELY more qualified than Kingsbury was for the Arizona Cardinals job. Ipso fatso, those three only got those positions because they were white, right?
And plenty of racists WOULD rip them for hiring Davis.
You know, Billy, it’s OK to “send a message” (your words) AND hire someone who is qualified.
Maybe they can get Frank Martin from South Carolina.
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Feels like if we wanted Porter, we would've gotten Porter.
Correct
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Good lord Robinson would be a bad hire. He was putrid at FSU and he would be 64 when the season started.
Wojo sure, but not Doherty. Doherty stunk at UNC but he was a high major assistant for almost a decade and then had a fairly nice season at ND, who had been terrible for a decade post-Digger. Stackhouse had no college coaching experience and limited NBA experience before getting the Vandy job. He was very solid with Raptors 905 and I think his trajectory at Vandy will be nice, but hes still very much an unproven college commodity.
But he’s been at UNC throughout Roy’s tenure which may work in his favor.
Davis seems to be the favorite though and I can’t see anyone being upset by that hire. Stackhouse has proven nothing at the college level except getting into social media fights with fans. He doesn’t bring much more to the table than Chris Mullin did.
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Feels like if we wanted Porter, we would've gotten Porter.
Agreed.
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Moser to Oklahoma, apparently.
https://twitter.com/joehoopsreport/status/1378091885936451585?s=21
This is a really weird fit IMO. Not a fan base who is starved for success cause they’ve been relatively good lately, but it’s gonna be a culture shock cause Kruger’s team scored a lot of points and the program has had 3 lottery picks in the last decade. That’s gonna be different.
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This is a really weird fit IMO. Not a fan base who is starved for success cause they’ve been relatively good lately, but it’s gonna be a culture shock cause Kruger’s team scored a lot of points and the program has had 3 lottery picks in the last decade. That’s gonna be different.
Moser had to cash in eventually. I don’t think this will go well.
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But he’s been at UNC throughout Roy’s tenure which may work in his favor.
Davis seems to be the favorite though and I can’t see anyone being upset by that hire. Stackhouse has proven nothing at the college level except getting into social media fights with fans. He doesn’t bring much more to the table than Chris Mullin did.
This isn’t correct.
Stack gets (deserved) bulk of credit for developing Aaron Nesmith and Saben Lee into NBA draft picks and players. He also gets the bulk of the credit for developing Scotty Pippen into an all league player. (Disu is next) He inherited a zero win SEC League record team. He’s been there two seasons.
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I think Stackhouse would do just fine at UNC.
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Stackhouse has gotten into some Twitter battles with fans/writers. I’m not sure it’s disqualifying, but would make me wonder how he’d handle a job like UNC.
Where I would go, is their local media. I would begin with Joe Rexrode, Athletic Columnist that covers college and pro sports there. Joe used to cover Michigan St. and Michigan as well. I would also add Chris Lee and Adam Sparks (beat writer) to that list, some others. They would give you a a fair, objective take on that.
He doesn’t get along with Jeff Goodman and vice versa.
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People wondering why Moser would take the Oklahoma position. One thing that helps a lot is Joe Castiglione. He is one of the better AD’s in the country. And that matters in these situations.
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This does seem like a weird fit to me too.
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Where I would go, is their local media. I would begin with Joe Rexrode, Athletic Columnist that covers college and pro sports there. Joe used to cover Michigan St. and Michigan as well. I would also add Chris Lee and Adam Sparks (beat writer) to that list, some others. They would give you a a fair, objective take on that.
He doesn’t get along with Jeff Goodman and vice versa.
Goodman doesn’t like NBA guys that come to college. He can’t get any scoops from them
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Can we assume Moser said no to DePaul?
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Can we assume Moser said no to DePaul?
Seems like the DePaul payday was capped well under what Moser knew he'd get elsewhere. So effectively yes.
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This is a really weird fit IMO. Not a fan base who is starved for success cause they’ve been relatively good lately, but it’s gonna be a culture shock cause Kruger’s team scored a lot of points and the program has had 3 lottery picks in the last decade. That’s gonna be different.
Agreed on many levels. It’ll be interesting to see how it works out....
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Agreed on many levels. It’ll be interesting to see how it works out....
I think he has a better chance of succeeding at OU than Indiana. Big XII is a meat grinder, though.
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I think he has a better chance of succeeding at OU than Indiana. Big XII is a meat grinder, though.
Iron sharpens iron. His teams will be even better come tournament time after going through that gauntlet.
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Iron sharpens iron. His teams will be even better come tournament time after going through that gauntlet.
I’m looking forward to watching his Oklahoma teams. It feels like it’s out of his comfort zone but it’ll be fascinating IMO
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Iron sharpens iron. His teams will be even better come tournament time after going through that gauntlet.
Didn't work so well for the Big 10 this year
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You have to assume Harmon will transfer. Interesting considering his other finalists included Texas and Marquette...
If so, they will lose their top 3 scorers with Reaves and Manek also leaving. Blank canvas to work with I suppose. But likely a couple rough years ahead as Moser gets settled. The top 2 returning after those 3 will be a pair of guys who already transferred in and would be on their 3rd college coach.
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7 hours ago and Not sure if it was mentioned but Duke Associate Head Coach Nathan James New Head Coach At Austin Peay.
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Didn't work so well for the Big 10 this year
Probably because it wasn't actually the gauntlet it was hyped up to be
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https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/oklahoma-hiring-loyola-chicagos-porter-moser-to-replace-lon-kruger-as-sooners-coach/
Six year contract. Should be some good coin.
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https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/oklahoma-hiring-loyola-chicagos-porter-moser-to-replace-lon-kruger-as-sooners-coach/
Six year contract. Should be some good coin.
I’m gonna guess 6 years, $14MM
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I’m gonna guess 6 years, $14MM
6/18 is my guess. Apparently Loyola made him a ridiculous offer that would have been the most expensive mid-major contract
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Maybe Wojo puts his name in the ring for Loyola. With all the pay raises Porter got, the job might not be a huge step down in pay .
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Maybe Wojo puts his name in the ring for Loyola. With all the pay raises Porter got, the job might not be a huge step down in pay .
Would be a very interesting development, but I almost think Jon Scheyer has passed Wojo in the pecking order. Especially considering Scheyer is from Northbrook.
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God help Loyola fans if they have to go from watching a Moser coached team to a Wojo coached team.
I agree with the Moser being a weird fit at OU. Almost feels like he decided he was leaving this year and it was just a matter of what top job was willing to offer him. Hope it works out for him.
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God help Loyola fans if they have to go from watching a Moser coached team to a Wojo coached team.
I agree with the Moser being a weird fit at OU. Almost feels like he decided he was leaving this year and it was just a matter of what top job was willing to offer him. Hope it works out for him.
Or the job he wanted got filled and won't be open any time soon. Make your money while you can.
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That’s one long-arse commute to Norman.
I wish Moser well. Good coach, seems like a decent guy. Glad he got a big-boy job. Glad he avoided DePaul.
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Or the job he wanted got filled and won't be open any time soon. Make your money while you can.
Oh there’s no doubt. My point is it seems like he decided he was leaving for a better job not just one specific job. I don’t fault him at all for that.
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That’s one long-arse commute to Norman.
I wish Moser well. Good coach, seems like a decent guy. Glad he got a big-boy job. Glad he avoided DePaul.
Moser employing the Satchel Paige Motto
“Don’t look Back. Something Might Be Gaining On You”
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The idea that Moser would never leave Chicago, and doesn't need a big contract because he grew up relatively wealthy, both go against pretty much everything I have seen from the coaching profession in the last 30 years.
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The idea that Moser would never leave Chicago, and doesn't need a big contract because he grew up relatively wealthy, both go against pretty much everything I have seen from the coaching profession in the last 30 years.
Reality has no place on sports message boards
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Local Press Happy for Moser
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-loyola-porter-moser-oklahoma-20210402-5a2tnhuozngzbem3yvg7jzvai4-story.html
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It's about wanting to compete at the highest levels.
Since Marquette's National Title 44 years ago, MUBB has had:
21 NCAA Tourney appearances
6 NCAA Tourney 2nd weekends
1 NCAA Tourney Final Four.
Oklahoma has had:
30 NCAA Tourney appearances.
11 NCAA Tourney 2nd weekends.
3 NCAA Tourney Final Fours.
Big 12 is bringing in roughly $40 Million per school. (No more MVC bus trips)
Getting a chance to work with Joe Castiglione.
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Looks like Loyola is putting up a fight. Don't know the specifics but a 10 yr deal so I'm guess ing the total $'s are the same just over more years.
https://twitter.com/MattNorlander/status/1378096367566983170 (https://twitter.com/MattNorlander/status/1378096367566983170)
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Looks like Loyola is putting up a fight. Don't know the specifics but a 10 yr deal so I'm guess ing the total $'s are the same just over more years.
https://twitter.com/MattNorlander/status/1378096367566983170 (https://twitter.com/MattNorlander/status/1378096367566983170)
Looks like they are promoting the assistant instead as of this morning.
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Drew Valentine will be promoted to new Loyola Head Coach. (Borzello)
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It's about wanting to compete at the highest levels.
Since Marquette's National Title 44 years ago, MUBB has had:
21 NCAA Tourney appearances
6 NCAA Tourney 2nd weekends
1 NCAA Tourney Final Four.
Oklahoma has had:
30 NCAA Tourney appearances.
11 NCAA Tourney 2nd weekends.
3 NCAA Tourney Final Fours.
Big 12 is bringing in roughly $40 Million per school.
Getting a chance to work with Joe Castiglione.
I haven't read every single post, but is anybody claiming Oklahoma isn't a fine destination for a basketball coach?
Also, time period matters.
If you go back to 2003:
NCAAs: MU 11, OU 12
S16: MU 2, OU 1
E8: MU 1, OU 2
FF: MU 1, OU 1
So, OU with one more NCAA appearance, 1 more E8, 1 fewer S16. Pretty darn close.
Or if you go back to when Marquette entered the BEast for the 2005-06 season:
NCAA: MU 10, OU 10
S16: MU 2, OU 1
E8: MU 1, OU 1
FF: MU 0, OU 1
So, just about dead even except rather than losing in a second S16, as we did, they went to the FF.
Of course, if you only go back to the start of Wojo:
NCAA: MU 2, OU 5
S16: MU 0, OU 1
E8: MU 0, OU 0
FF: MU 0, FF 1
So that's where we got killed.
All of it "counts," not saying any period is more "important" than any other.
I think we can both agree is that, when hiring a coach, only the future really matters. Let's see where both programs go now with their new leaders.
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I haven't read every single post, but is anybody claiming Oklahoma isn't a fine destination for a basketball coach?
Also, time period matters.
If you go back to 2003:
NCAAs: MU 11, OU 12
S16: MU 2, OU 1
E8: MU 1, OU 2
FF: MU 1, OU 1
So, OU with one more NCAA appearance, 1 more E8, 1 fewer S16. Pretty darn close.
Or if you go back to when Marquette entered the BEast for the 2005-06 season:
NCAA: MU 10, OU 10
S16: MU 2, OU 1
E8: MU 1, OU 1
FF: MU 0, OU 1
So, just about dead even except rather than losing in a second S16, as we did, they went to the FF.
Of course, if you only go back to the start of Wojo:
NCAA: MU 2, OU 5
S16: MU 0, OU 1
E8: MU 0, OU 0
FF: MU 0, FF 1
So that's where we got killed.
All of it "counts," not saying any period is more "important" than any other.
I think we can both agree is that, when hiring a coach, only the future really matters. Let's see where both programs go now with their new leaders.
People aren’t suggesting Oklahoma isn’t a good program. Just that it seems like a strange fit.
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I haven't read every single post, but is anybody claiming Oklahoma isn't a fine destination for a basketball coach?
Also, time period matters.
If you go back to 2003:
NCAAs: MU 11, OU 12
S16: MU 2, OU 1
E8: MU 1, OU 2
FF: MU 1, OU 1
So, OU with one more NCAA appearance, 1 more E8, 1 fewer S16. Pretty darn close.
Or if you go back to when Marquette entered the BEast for the 2005-06 season:
NCAA: MU 10, OU 10
S16: MU 2, OU 1
E8: MU 1, OU 1
FF: MU 0, OU 1
So, just about dead even except rather than losing in a second S16, as we did, they went to the FF.
Of course, if you only go back to the start of Wojo:
NCAA: MU 2, OU 5
S16: MU 0, OU 1
E8: MU 0, OU 0
FF: MU 0, FF 1
So that's where we got killed.
All of it "counts," not saying any period is more "important" than any other.
I think we can both agree is that, when hiring a coach, only the future really matters. Let's see where both programs go now with their new leaders.
You are (unintentionally perhaps) illustrating my point. Some people seem surprised he would take OU but not surprised he would take MUBB.
OU has a good basketball history. They play in a Power 5 League. They have $$$ resources. They have a well respected AD. They won't be taking MVC bus trips any time soon.
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You are (unintentionally perhaps) illustrating my point. Some people seem surprised he would take OU but not surprised he would take MUBB.
OU has a good basketball history. They play in a Power 5 League. They have $$$ resources. They have a well respected AD. They won't be taking MVC bus trips any time soon.
People’s “surprise” wasn’t because of the quality of the program. It was because of the narrative that he LOVES Chicago so much that he wouldn’t stray far from there, and may even get a condo in Milwaukee so his kids wouldn’t have to move.
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People’s “surprise” wasn’t because of the quality of the program. It was because of the narrative that he LOVES Chicago so much that he wouldn’t stray far from there, and may even get a condo in Milwaukee so his kids wouldn’t have to move.
"Narrative."
A more relevant discussion would be continue to dominate your league vs leaving for a hoops friendly Power 5 school.
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I’m more surprised he was willing to commute to Oklahoma daily or stay in a condo on late nights before driving back to Chicago!
820 miles each way. That’s commitment. Good luck to porter and Oklahoma.
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I’m more surprised he was willing to commute to Oklahoma daily or stay in a condo on late nights before driving back to Chicago!
820 miles each way. That’s commitment. Good luck to porter and Oklahoma.
Deep-pocketed OU boosters building a high-speed rail link from Norman to Wilmette?
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Deep-pocketed OU boosters building a high-speed rail link from Norman to Wilmette?
The Boomer Sooner on track 1
(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/17/9b/a7/179ba744682c6caa5d2fdf5c303160f8--university-of-oklahoma-oklahoma-sooners.jpg)
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This reminds me of hearing people claim Anthony Davis and Zion Williamson loved school so much, they wouldn’t turn pro right away. Also, Jon Gruden’s wife is from Tennessee
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People wondering why Moser would take the Oklahoma position. One thing that helps a lot is Joe Castiglione. He is one of the better AD’s in the country. And that matters in these situations.
Keep thinking about this... One of the better AD's in the country hires Moser... Coulda been ours. Will be interesting to follow for sure.
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I think he has a better chance of succeeding at OU than Indiana. Big XII is a meat grinder, though.
OU likes their basketball, but they like their football more; whereas if IU didn't have a football team not many would care except for the big money it brings from TV.
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OU likes their basketball, but they like their football more; whereas if IU didn't have a football team not many would care except for the big money it brings from TV.
Plus, OU is a JUCO academically and has deep pockets for sports, kind of like Louisville. Great spot for a coach.
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Good Article on Drew Valentine promoted from within to Become Loyola's New Head Coach. Comes from a great basketball family. I think the Ramblers will be in good stead for the future.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/loyola-is-in-talks-with-drew-valentine-to-take-over-as-coach-after-porter-moser-s-departure-to-oklahoma/ar-BB1fgzch?ocid=uxbndlbing
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Keep thinking about this... One of the better AD's in the country hires Moser... Coulda been ours. Will be interesting to follow for sure.
I think he can do well, if the OU fans buy into the very different style of basketball and are patient enough to recruit the kinds of players that work well in it.
If they expect instant results, his seat could warm up in a hurry.
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You are (unintentionally perhaps) illustrating my point. Some people seem surprised he would take OU but not surprised he would take MUBB.
OU has a good basketball history. They play in a Power 5 League. They have $$$ resources. They have a well respected AD. They won't be taking MVC bus trips any time soon.
We agree. Both Oklahoma and Marquette are very good jobs.
As others have pointed out, the only thing that has really surprised most people is that Moser supposedly was so adamant about staying in or near Chicago that he was willing to remain in a decidedly "lesser" job to do so.
I look forward to seeing how he does at Oklahoma.
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Moser may or may not be successful at Oklahoma. He had a choice to continue to try to dominate his league and stay at Loyola. Or he could go to a well supported Power 5 program and try to win there.
Let's look at Mark Few, whom many consider one of the most successful non Power 5/Big East coaches out there, and, deservedly so.
It was not until Few's 16th season at Gonzaga that he has won in the NCAA Tourney at his current level. Prior to that he made 4 NCAA Sweet 16's in 15 seasons, which is very good but not this current level of good. Two of those came very early as a double digit seeds, 10 and 12 underdogs. And, two of those came by defeating double digit NCAA Seeds twice. 14 and 16 seeds, and 13 and 12 seeds.
Few was good at dominating his league, and league tourney and getting the type of result needed when he needed it. 12 of 15 NCAA first round wins in those first 15 seasons there.
And of course after those first 15 years for Few, Gonzaga has become more of a National Power since.
It isn't easy.
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Lon Kruger was a damn good coach...will be surprised if Moser can keep the program at that level. Wilmette doesn't do much for me...but I can't think of a state I'd hate to live in more than OK.
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Lon Kruger was a damn good coach...will be surprised if Moser can keep the program at that level. Wilmette doesn't do much for me...but I can't think of a state I'd hate to live in more than OK.
Ever been to Kansas? 🤔
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We agree. Both Oklahoma and Marquette are very good jobs.
As others have pointed out, the only thing that has really surprised most people is that Moser supposedly was so adamant about staying in or near Chicago that he was willing to remain in a decidedly "lesser" job to do so.
I look forward to seeing how he does at Oklahoma.
I think the part about Moser being adamant about staying in Chicago , was a bit oversold in the press. Moser is independently wealthy outside of basketball. He has a very good life built for himself and family on the North Shore. So his decision set might be different than other coaches.
It wasn't so much being adamant about staying. Rather, it was an analysis that said to disrupt the cushy situation he was in, Porter was only going to go to a school where he thought he had his best chance of winning on the big stage again, since it is likely a one time chance given that he is 53.
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Ever been to Kansas? 🤔
Or the Dakotas?
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Lon Kruger was a damn good coach...will be surprised if Moser can keep the program at that level. Wilmette doesn't do much for me...but I can't think of a state I'd hate to live in more than OK.
That's a strong statement. There are s number of states that are saying "hold my beer."
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@DanaONeilWriter: Keep hearing @VUCoachJWright name in the UNC candidate pool. Source tells me Wright is not interested, and is not leaving Villanova.
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I think the part about Moser being adamant about staying in Chicago , was a bit oversold in the press. Moser is independently wealthy outside of basketball. He has a very good life built for himself and family on the North Shore. So his decision set might be different than other coaches.
It wasn't so much being adamant about staying. Rather, it was an analysis that said to disrupt the cushy situation he was in, Porter was only going to go to a school where he thought he had his best chance of winning on the big stage again, since it is likely a one time chance given that he is 53.
Ah, but if he truly is wealthy, wouldn't staying at Loyola -- where he could be worshiped by the locals, could live where he wanted and could be close to his extended family -- outweigh a high-paying gig like Oklahoma?
Being a little facetious. He wanted the challenge. He wanted to see if he could win big in the Big 12.
You're probably right about the Chicago thing being oversold ... but I don't remember you or anybody else knocking that down before he actually bolted for OkieLand.
Again, I wish him well.
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Moser had to cash in eventually. I don’t think this will go well.
Cmon Sultan. Now we have a perfect yardstick to judge the hires of Shaka Kahn and Moser. Moser going to the same conference that Shaka vacated at the same time that Shaka goes to MU
Be interesting to see how they fare over next 3-5 years. Shaka should do better as he has better resources at a basketball centric school with better recruiting chops than Moser. Moser is at a school where football is the clear king. Be interesting to watch, much like Otule compared to Gardner, hey?
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"Narrative."
A more relevant discussion would be continue to dominate your league vs leaving for a hoops friendly Power 5 school.
Sultan. You have outdone yourself in the spin department. Hoops friendly is a great spin on a football is king school. But have to give you credit for Hedging on Moser.
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Lon Kruger was a damn good coach...will be surprised if Moser can keep the program at that level. Wilmette doesn't do much for me...but I can't think of a state I'd hate to live in more than OK.
Really? How about Illinois. Vacation state for the CCP.
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Ah, but if he truly is wealthy, wouldn't staying at Loyola -- where he could be worshiped by the locals, could live where he wanted and could be close to his extended family -- outweigh a high-paying gig like Oklahoma?
Being a little facetious. He wanted the challenge. He wanted to see if he could win big in the Big 12.
You're probably right about the Chicago thing being oversold ... but I don't remember you or anybody else knocking that down before he actually bolted for OkieLand.
Again, I wish him well.
I think before Boomer Sooner came up , Porter was looking at MU and IU. Both got filled and then Okie got serious.
By the way Porter had some good years at Arkansas Little Rock . So he is used to the local culture in that part of the country.
Houses are not big dollars in Norman. So , Porter may not even sell his house in Wilmette. Can use it as his base of operations when recruiting in Chicago .
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Trivial Coaching Carousel Fun Facts Al’s last game was beating UNC for the Title. Wojo got fired shortly after MU beat UNC. Roy Williams retired after 3 Titles and shortly after MU beat UNC. And Shaka was hired shortly after MU beat UNC.
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Sultan. You have outdone yourself in the spin department. Hoops friendly is a great spin on a football is king school. But have to give you credit for Hedging on Moser.
I don't know who Sultan is, but I know that is not me. Just because a school is a football school, doesn't mean that it isn't hoops (and AD) friendly.
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Cmon Sultan. Now we have a perfect yardstick to judge the hires of Shaka Kahn and Moser. Moser going to the same conference that Shaka vacated at the same time that Shaka goes to MU
Be interesting to see how they fare over next 3-5 years. Shaka should do better as he has better resources at a basketball centric school with better recruiting chops than Moser. Moser is at a school where football is the clear king. Be interesting to watch, much like Otule compared to Gardner, hey?
Try apples to apples. Texas and Oklahoma are in the same league.
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I don't know who Sultan is, but I know that is not me. Just because a school is a football school, doesn't mean that it isn't hoops (and AD) friendly.
"Sultan" is part of Non-Salesperson's long-ago screen name.
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"Sultan" is part of Non-Salesperson's long-ago screen name.
👍
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Try apples to apples. Texas and Oklahoma are in the same league.
You just made my point. Thank you.
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The next 6 years will be interesting. I predict Oklahoma does better than MU in that time.
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The next 6 years will be interesting. I predict Oklahoma does better than MU in that time.
We’re well aware you’re not a fan of Shaka. Go root for Moser in Norman, BOOMER SOONER!!
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The next 6 years will be interesting. I predict Oklahoma does better than MU in that time.
Just curious . Why do you think that?
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The next 6 years will be interesting. I predict Oklahoma does better than MU in that time.
I be predict otherwise. So there!
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31189472/cincinnati-coach-john-brannen-leave-amid-investigation
John Brannen under investigation and on paid leave at Cincinnati.
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31189472/cincinnati-coach-john-brannen-leave-amid-investigation
John Brannen under investigation and on paid leave at Cincinnati.
Such horsecrap. Trying to get out from a bad hire by finding a reason to fire him for cause.
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Such horsecrap. Trying to get out from a bad hire by finding a reason to fire him for cause.
This is the Fluffy Sultan.
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Aka the Sultan of Blue Monster, aina?
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Such horsecrap. Trying to get out from a bad hire by finding a reason to fire him for cause.
Is he a bad hire though? He was very good at NKU, had a good first year when he moved across the river. Cincy has an inflated sense of their place and the attractiveness of that gig. I don’t think suitors will be knocking down their door.
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Is he a bad hire though? He was very good at NKU, had a good first year when he moved across the river. Cincy has an inflated sense of their place and the attractiveness of that gig. I don’t think suitors will be knocking down their door.
When you have roster turnover like that, especially when you recruited those guys, it probably isn’t working.
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I don't know who Sultan is, but I know that is not me. Just because a school is a football school, doesn't mean that it isn't hoops (and AD) friendly.
Nate Oats has talked about the positives of being at a school where FB is king.
Michigan, MSU, Bucky, Ohio Stars, Okie State, Oregon, Florida, FSU, are all schools where both sports are able to succeed at high levels for sustained periods.
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NC newspapers are reporting that the "usual suspects" have been interviewed by UNC AD Bubba Cunningham:
Davis, Miller, Robinson, Stackhouse.
Also Monmouth coach King Rice, the 2021 MEAC CoY who has won 3 league titles in the past 6 years and played at UNC from 1987-91.
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NC newspapers are reporting that the "usual suspects" have been interviewed by UNC AD Bubba Cunningham:
Davis, Miller, Robinson, Stackhouse.
Also Monmouth coach King Rice, the 2021 MEAC CoY who has won 3 league titles in the past 6 years and played at UNC from 1987-91.
Just take all five of those and add Stallings as a bench coach, and you'd have recruiting, offensive sets, player development etc...all covered. Rice was a really good assistant for Stallings. Stallings loves UNC, his kid played baseball there. Add Stack, Davis, Miller, Robinson, and just make it one staff.
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Or the Dakotas?
Alabama is disappointed not to make this list
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Just take all five of those and add Stallings as a bench coach, and you'd have recruiting, offensive sets, player development etc...all covered. Rice was a really good assistant for Stallings. Stallings loves UNC, his kid played baseball there. Add Stack, Davis, Miller, Robinson, and just make it one staff.
According to reports, several of those interviewed were asked if they would be willing to serve on the staff of whomever is hired as head coach.
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According to reports, several of those interviewed were asked if they would be willing to serve on the staff of whomever is hired as head coach.
There you go.
It wasn't a secret that Stallings' dream job was UNC. He was well aware during his career that he wasn't qualified. He was a Roy Williams assistant. As mentioned his son played baseball at UNC. Stallings is a good hoops mind. Really good out of bounds plays, X's, O's.
King Rice was an assistant to Stallings. He's a good coach and recruiter.
Stack has good offensive sets and he is elite ar player development.
You could go down the line there with a variety of different skill sets and have something unique. Far fetched perhaps.
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There you go.
It wasn't a secret that Stallings' dream job was UNC. He was well aware during his career that he wasn't qualified. He was a Roy Williams assistant. As mentioned his son played baseball at UNC. Stallings is a good hoops mind. Really good out of bounds plays, X's, O's.
King Rice was an assistant to Stallings. He's a good coach and recruiter.
Stack has good offensive sets and he is elite ar player development.
You could go down the line there with a variety of different skill sets and have something unique. Far fetched perhaps.
Farfetched definitely. They ain't gonna build a Justice League of Superhero coaches.
And Stallings? His name wasn't even mentioned, so that would be quite a surprise.
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Farfetched definitely. They ain't gonna build a Justice League of Superhero coaches.
And Stallings? His name wasn't even mentioned, so that would be quite a surprise.
As a bench coach/advisor. He isn't going to be a head coach or recruiter. But he is very good at X's and O's. He has a lot of UNC ties.
He didn't play for UNC, but he is close with some of the others, Rice (who was a Stallings assistant, Roy Williams, for whom Stallings was an assistant) A less experienced Head Coach could do worse than have Stallings as a bench coach/advisor. He successfully ran a Power 5 program for the better part of a couple of decades after assisting at another.
I don't think Stack or Davis would likely want to be someone else's assistant, especially Stackhouse. Rice would consider being an assistant there.
But you never know.
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Keno Davis let go from CMU. Former HC at Drake and Providence.
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Keno Davis let go from CMU. Former HC at Drake and Providence.
Those providence teams were some of the worst squads I’ve ever seen a non DePaul team put together.
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As a bench coach/advisor. He isn't going to be a head coach or recruiter. But he is very good at X's and O's. He has a lot of UNC ties.
He didn't play for UNC, but he is close with some of the others, Rice (who was a Stallings assistant, Roy Williams, for whom Stallings was an assistant) A less experienced Head Coach could do worse than have Stallings as a bench coach/advisor. He successfully ran a Power 5 program for the better part of a couple of decades after assisting at another.
I don't think Stack or Davis would likely want to be someone else's assistant, especially Stackhouse. Rice would consider being an assistant there.
But you never know.
Ah, gotcha. Fair enough. We'll see!
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Keno Davis let go from CMU. Former HC at Drake and Providence.
Dude had one good year at Drake, after taking over from his father, and turned it into 12 years of coaching D1 ball at a slightly lower than .500 clip.
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Dude had one good year at Drake, after taking over from his father, and turned it into 12 years of coaching D1 ball at a slightly lower than .500 clip.
A year that was mostly fools gold as evidenced by promptly getting upset in the first round. His career prior, other than with his dad, was at D2 and low major level. Then he assists his Dad for a couple of profoundly mediocre years at Drake before inheriting a team full of seniors. We have the ignominy of the Dukiet years, but Davis to Providence may be the worst hire in Big East history.
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Jeff Goodman @GoodmanHoops
Utah State expected to hire UMBC head coach Ryan Odom, source told @Stadium.
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Jeff Goodman @GoodmanHoops
Utah State expected to hire UMBC head coach Ryan Odom, source told @Stadium.
That is...something. Literally has never coached in a state that doesn’t border the Atlantic Ocean and only one of those gigs had even a remotely national profile. Interesting. He’s a pretty good coach that’s the son of a good coach but that’s a strange fit on the surface
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That is...something. Literally has never coached in a state that doesn’t border the Atlantic Ocean and only one of those gigs had even a remotely national profile. Interesting. He’s a pretty good coach that’s the son of a good coach but that’s a strange fit on the surface
Well, hiring a guy whose never coached near Utah worked well for them last time so maybe hoping it works again?
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Well, hiring a guy whose never coached near Utah worked well for them last time so maybe hoping it works again?
Colorado isn’t near Utah?
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UMBC has made the NCAA Tournament twice in history. The America East is always a one-bid league. Odom was making just above $200k at UMBC.
Utah State has been the NCAAT over twenty times in history, with even more NIT appearances. The Mountain West has better programs, coaches and history, and has the ability to be a multi-bid league annually. Craig Smith was making just under $1 million annually as part of his last extension.
So, yes, it is a no-brainer for Odom to move 2,000 miles away.
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Of course Odom should take it. He should take the Hawaii job if it had been available and offered. I meant more from Utah St’s perspective
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Jeff Goodman @GoodmanHoops
Utah State expected to hire UMBC head coach Ryan Odom, source told @Stadium.
Wojo is now 0 for Utah
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Inside Carolina is reporting a board of trustees meeting to discuss terms of Head Coaching position for Hubert Davis. C.L. Brown, others confirm Davis is the hire for North Carolina.
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Inside Carolina is reporting a board of trustees meeting to discuss terms of Head Coaching position for Hubert Davis.
Good for him. He's been waiting in the wings for a bit. I think he can keep UNC playing at a high level.
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News & Observer reporting that it's Hubert Davis - donedeal.
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/article249964439.html?ac_cid=DM421419&ac_bid=-23495726
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Dane Fife leaving MSU for Indiana. He was thought of as being the coach in waiting for Sparty. Probably not anymore
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Colorado isn’t near Utah?
I was thinking head coaching, not assistant coaching, but that's a fair point.
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Wojo is now 0 for Utah
Wojo to UMBC?
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Wojo to UMBC?
Homecoming.
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Wojo to UMBC?
That’s about the level he should be coaching at, but his ego’s too big, hey? He’ll find some way to get back on Duke’s bench.
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Dane Fife leaving MSU for Indiana. He was thought of as being the coach in waiting for Sparty. Probably not anymore
Given his IU history, and how hot a name hes been for HC jobs in the past, he's probably angling to get the same sort of path at IU.
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Wojo to UMBC?
Wojo wouldn’t go there, but I could see him in the A-10. Haven’t followed it, but was he in play for the Fordham job before it was filled recently?
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Dane Fife leaving MSU for Indiana. He was thought of as being the coach in waiting for Sparty. Probably not anymore
That ship had sailed a few years ago. He's likely the coach in waiting for IU now.
Of course Odom should take it. He should take the Hawaii job if it had been available and offered. I meant more from Utah St’s perspective
Strange move by Utah State. Odom was turned down by Wake, where his dad is a legend, and Charleston after his Dad's firm was hired to fill that opening.
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Jeff Goodman @GoodmanHoops
Utah State expected to hire UMBC head coach Ryan Odom, source told @Stadium.
He was Roy's choice for the job. Davis has been there since 2012, having left a potentially very lucrative broadcasting career. No surprise there - Roy's guy and from within the family.
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Dane Fife leaving MSU for Indiana. He was thought of as being the coach in waiting for Sparty. Probably not anymore
I thought Dwayne Stephens was viewed as the coach in waiting at MSU.
Though he's now being mentioned as a candidate at Central Michigan.
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I thought Dwayne Stephens was viewed as the coach in waiting at MSU.
Though he's now being mentioned as a candidate at Central Michigan.
message boards assumed it was Fife when he took the job since he was HC at IPFW, but in reality, he was just getting away from a bad HC job and more than doubled his salary. I haven't heard of anyone truly viewed as the Coach in Waiting at MSU. Izzo, and either Dan Gilbert or Mat Ishbia will likely determine who that is. MSU is in a situation right now where they have dueling billionaires who hate each other wrestling for control of the hoops program.
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Seems like 100 years ago we were worried that Crean would leave for the MSU job.
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I thought Dwayne Stephens was viewed as the coach in waiting at MSU.
Though he's now being mentioned as a candidate at Central Michigan.
Stephen’s has been interviewing for all sorts of Head Coaching jobs the last several years.
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Dude had one good year at Drake, after taking over from his father, and turned it into 12 years of coaching D1 ball at a slightly lower than .500 clip.
he wasn't terrible at CMU. One conference title, four postseason appearances. For a program like CMU that is about as good as it gets. They've done very little outside of the Dan Majerle years and Chris Kaman years. He took over a dumpster fire from Ernie Ziegler, who was only hired to get his kid to CMU.
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Happy for Hubert Davis. I think he will do a very good job for UNC. He is a born and bred Tar Heel. I also like that he has been out of the UNC ecosystem as a player and TV analyst.
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he wasn't terrible at CMU. One conference title, four postseason appearances. For a program like CMU that is about as good as it gets. They've done very little outside of the Dan Majerle years and Chris Kaman years. He took over a dumpster fire from Ernie Ziegler, who was only hired to get his kid to CMU.
Yea he was. He had under a .400 winning percentage. And that’s not just in a watered down MAC, but in the West division which had sent a team to the NCAAs just twice in the last 20 years. Toledo is the only consistently decent program, WMU fell off by the time he got there. He shouldn’t get credit for CBI and CIT appearances when they finished a game over .500 overall or 7-11 in conference like one of those years.
CMU is a crappy job, but that doesn’t mean he was any less crappy. He had Marcus Keene in a year he led the nation in scoring and another guard who averaged 21 and was quite good and then finished 6-12 in conference
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he wasn't terrible at CMU. One conference title, four postseason appearances. For a program like CMU that is about as good as it gets. They've done very little outside of the Dan Majerle years and Chris Kaman years. He took over a dumpster fire from Ernie Ziegler, who was only hired to get his kid to CMU.
62-96 in the MAC, with only three winning seasons in nine years. Gone from 10 wins to 7 wins to 3 wins the past three years.
Pretty terrible.
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The Hubert Davis era is off to an odd start with a strange press conference
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The Hubert Davis era is off to an odd start with a strange press conference
I didn’t watch it yet
What was so strange about in your view?
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I didn’t watch it yet
What was so strange about in your view?
He very deliberately called out being proud to have a white wife, and “kids who are a combination” of him and his white wife when talking about the importance of him being one of only 4 African American coaches across all sports in UNC history.
And it wasn’t a clumsily worded phrase due to nerves cause he said the exact same thing, almost verbatim, in a round table interview filmed before the presser.
He also just came of kind of awkward in some of his answers, which is odd given his extensive past experience on TV
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Sean Miller out at Arizona.
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Sean Miller out at Arizona.
Does he get another shot at college with all the FBI stuff? Or does he go to the NBA?
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Sean Miller out at Arizona.
Damon Staudamire as replacement?
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Damon Staudamire as replacement?
Would Pastner be an option? He wasn’t there when Miller was there.
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Damon Staudamire as replacement?
Would seem to be a favorite, along with Miles Simon.
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Would Pastner be an option? He wasn’t there when Miller was there.
Ahhhh... Yeah that's another option.
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Sean Miller out at Arizona.
Whoa.
This spring hasn't been Miller Time!
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Who would have thought that UNC,IU, OK, TX, TX Tech, AZ, IA St, MN, NM, Penn St, BC, Depaul and Marquette all would be looking for coaches in the same year?
edit: added more schools
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Who would have thought that UNC,IU, OSU, OK, TX and AZ all would be looking for coaches in the same year?
And Marquette.
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Who would have thought that UNC,IU, OSU, OK, TX and AZ all would be looking for coaches in the same year?
Which OSU?
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Which OSU?
typo
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typo
Got it.
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Other Miller out as well!
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31209814/sources-arizona-wildcats-fire-coach-sean-miller
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Other Miller out as well!
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31209814/sources-arizona-wildcats-fire-coach-sean-miller
With collegiate athlete "Pay to Play" becoming a reality, you'd think Sean Miller would be a hot commodity right now. He knows the system as well as anyone.
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Who would have thought that UNC,IU, OK, TX, TX Tech, AZ, IA St, MN, NM, Penn St, BC, Depaul and Marquette all would be looking for coaches in the same year?
Yeah. So much for Covid giving coaches a break this season.
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Top 2 choices I'm hearing are Gonzaga's top assistant and Musselman.
UA guys who are coaching in college/NBA these days - D Stoudamire (Pacific, interviewed for DePaul), Walton (Kings), Simon (Lakers assistant), Pastner (Geo Tech), Terry (UA asst).
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Who would have thought that UNC,IU, OK, TX, TX Tech, AZ, IA St, MN, NM, Penn St, BC, Depaul and Marquette all would be looking for coaches in the same year?
edit: added more schools
Don't think very many would have had those thoughts and it sure as hell would not be the guys, some who posted here, using the excuse that coaches, including Wojo-Dukiet, could not be canned this year, because...wait for it...covid
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Miller fired a couple years too late. Another reminder that Mark Emmert is a complete ass and the NCAA is a joke.
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Shaka on Jim Rome now:
https://www.audacy.com/cbssportsradio1140/listen
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Agreed ND. U of A my 2nd-fav team after MU. Hoping a change that should've been made two years ago creates the big negative to positive energy change that Smart has done for MU. Between the cheating, probation and more-and-more games being moved to the Pac 10 Network, my interest in U of A basketball has gone WAY down in the past few years.
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Miller fired a couple years too late. Another reminder that Mark Emmert is a complete ass and the NCAA is a joke.
Seriously.
And Will Wade says hi.
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Yeah. So much for Covid giving coaches a break this season.
It's not as bad as it might seem.
2 of those (UNC, OK) are retirements, not firings
3 of those (TX, TTU, MN) are because the coaches left for new jobs
2 of those (PSU, AZ) are because off the court scandals
3 of those (DPL, BC, NM) had buyouts less than $1.5 million
2 of those (IU and MU) had donors pony up the buyout
That leaves IAST currently as the lone opening where the school paid a multi-million dollar buyout without donor help or scandal....and Prohm was coming off 2 consecutive losing seasons including 2-22 this season.
There are some other coaches that have gotten a COVID reprieve for now...looking at you Bruce Weber
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It's not as bad as it might seem.
2 of those (UNC, OK) are retirements, not firings
3 of those (TX, TTU, MN) are because the coaches left for new jobs
2 of those (PSU, AZ) are because off the court scandals
3 of those (DPL, BC, NM) had buyouts less than $1.5 million
2 of those (IU and MU) had donors pony up the buyout
That leaves IAST currently as the lone opening where the school paid a multi-million dollar buyout without donor help or scandal....and Prohm was coming off 2 consecutive losing seasons including 2-22 this season.
There are some other coaches that have gotten a COVID reprieve for now...looking at you Bruce Weber
MN was vacated due to a firing. The coach just happened to find a job after that.
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MN was vacated due to a firing. The coach just happened to find a job after that.
TX too, almost certainly.
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Miller fired a couple years too late. Another reminder that Mark Emmert is a complete ass and the NCAA is a joke.
the NCAA can't order a coach fired. They also weren't allowed access to the FBI investigations until 2019 and something happened in early 2020 when the NCAA had investigators (who don't have subpoena power) on the ground in Tuscon that slowed things down a bit.
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It's not as bad as it might seem.
2 of those (UNC, OK) are retirements, not firings
3 of those (TX, TTU, MN) are because the coaches left for new jobs
2 of those (PSU, AZ) are because off the court scandals
3 of those (DPL, BC, NM) had buyouts less than $1.5 million
2 of those (IU and MU) had donors pony up the buyout
That leaves IAST currently as the lone opening where the school paid a multi-million dollar buyout without donor help or scandal....and Prohm was coming off 2 consecutive losing seasons including 2-22 this season.
There are some other coaches that have gotten a COVID reprieve for now...looking at you Bruce Weber
I wasn't just referring to the high buyouts. Many seemed to feel that they strangeness of the season (restrictions in practices, COVID 'pauses', etc) might give guys a relatively free pass, regardless of the buyout issue. That clearly didn't turn out to be true. And MN was a firing...and TX might have been too if MU had hesitated long enough.
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the NCAA can't order a coach fired. They also weren't allowed access to the FBI investigations until 2019 and something happened in early 2020 when the NCAA had investigators (who don't have subpoena power) on the ground in Tuscon that slowed things down a bit.
Ok so, keep up the bang up job NCAA
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TX too, almost certainly.
Shaka wasn't getting fired.
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Shaka wasn't getting fired.
I’m not so sure based on how quickly Beard was hired. I wouldn’t be surprised if once Texas lost, there were some discussions with Beard’s people.
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It's not as bad as it might seem.
2 of those (UNC, OK) are retirements, not firings
3 of those (TX, TTU, MN) are because the coaches left for new jobs
2 of those (PSU, AZ) are because off the court scandals
3 of those (DPL, BC, NM) had buyouts less than $1.5 million
2 of those (IU and MU) had donors pony up the buyout
That leaves IAST currently as the lone opening where the school paid a multi-million dollar buyout without donor help or scandal....and Prohm was coming off 2 consecutive losing seasons including 2-22 this season.
There are some other coaches that have gotten a COVID reprieve for now...looking at you Bruce Weber
Missed Utah firing.
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the NCAA can't order a coach fired. They also weren't allowed access to the FBI investigations until 2019 and something happened in early 2020 when the NCAA had investigators (who don't have subpoena power) on the ground in Tuscon that slowed things down a bit.
Keep carrying that water
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Shaka wasn't getting fired.
You seem very certain of that.
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You seem very certain of that.
Who knows. Some of our most prolific posters were certain Wojo wasn’t getting canned. At least one went so far as saying his return was a FACT, not an opinion.
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Who knows. Some of our most prolific posters were certain Wojo wasn’t getting canned. At least one went so far as saying his return was a FACT, not an opinion.
To be fair, you can only predict what the Athletic department will do with their budget. Cant predict what donors will do.
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Missed Utah firing.
True, I was going off the list someone posted earlier.
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You seem very certain of that.
Just relying on what's been reported by several in the know.
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https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3357782/arizona-just-fired-sean-miller-and-its-totally-because-of-the-fbi-investigation-and-not-because-he-stopped-winning-wink-wink
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You seem very certain of that.
For what it’s worth, everything I have heard is that Beard was targeted by Texas to be its Head Coach long before Smart left.
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For what it’s worth, everything I have heard is that Beard was targeted by Texas to be its Head Coach long before Smart left.
It is Beard's dream job, and since Marquette was there to take Shaka off their hands, the timeline worked out.
Had Marquette waited another year before firing Wojo and hiring Shaka (or another suitor showed up), I have zero doubt that Shaka would still be coaching basketball in Texas.
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Happy to see Speedy Claxton get the Hofstra job.
https://gohofstra.com/news/2021/4/7/mens-basketball-mbb-past-present-future-claxton-to-lead-the-hofstra-mens-basketball-program.aspx
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I think many underestimated the lengths schools are willing to go through, even in a pandemic or facing financial uncertainty, in order to boost fan morale and/or help turn around struggling programs.
Last Spring, it was clear schools were staying clear of making changes. Not only are we seeing two years worth of changes occur in the immediate term, but many high major changes are occurring as well - with more possible (Cincinnati).
Bottom line, successful and winning programs bring interest, donations, applications and awareness to a university. For the proven programs, there will always be a way to eat a contract because the potential return of investment with a strong replacement will not only pay for itself, but provide strong value and return in the long-term.
Glad our school faced reality and had a donor, or donors, ready to support and initiate a necessary change.
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I think a lot of schools are in better financial shape than we think, and a lot of donors have capital gains to get rid of.
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I think many underestimated the lengths schools are willing to go through, even in a pandemic or facing financial uncertainty, in order to boost fan morale and/or help turn around struggling programs.
Last Spring, it was clear schools were staying clear of making changes. Not only are we seeing two years worth of changes occur in the immediate term, but many high major changes are occurring as well - with more possible (Cincinnati).
Bottom line, successful and winning programs bring interest, donations, applications and awareness to a university. For the proven programs, there will always be a way to eat a contract because the potential return of investment with a strong replacement will not only pay for itself, but provide strong value and return in the long-term.
Glad our school faced reality and had a donor, or donors, ready to support and initiate a necessary change.
Very nice summary emphasizing the business decisions- return on investment, being realistic and looking at the long term investment vs. short term buyout, etc. I founded a small manufacturing company so I have had first hand experience with many of the points you made. And a huge thank you to the donor(s) for coming up with the buyout money. I was losing hope just before Wojo was fired and in my mind was convinced that Marquette basketball would be on life support if he was given another year. Imagine this off season with the new transfer rules on the horizon and Wojo staying on. How scary is that thought?
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https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3357782/arizona-just-fired-sean-miller-and-its-totally-because-of-the-fbi-investigation-and-not-because-he-stopped-winning-wink-wink
If you're going to cheat...you better win...
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To be fair, you can only predict what the Athletic department will do with their budget. Cant predict what donors will do.
Had to factor that in though. The alum with $ to get it done were for the most part around when Al was here. They know what's up, and they knew it couldn't go on like that. I was going to be severely down on our long term prospects as a program if we didn't have a cohort that could step up to the plate. Thankfully they did! And the future is brighter as a result.
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For what it’s worth, everything I have heard is that Beard was targeted by Texas to be its Head Coach long before Smart left.
Hard for me to believe that Beard can hire 2 D1 head coaches as assistants and a top assistant from a blue blood in a weeks time if there wasn't something brewing in Austin lomg before Shaka left. I wouldn't trust Beard as far as I could throw Lloyd Moore.
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Hard for me to believe that Beard can hire 2 D1 head coaches as assistants and a top assistant from a blue blood in a weeks time if there wasn't something brewing in Austin lomg before Shaka left. I wouldn't trust Beard as far as I could throw Lloyd Moore.
Love the Lloyd Moore reference.
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It probably wasn't a week. It wasn't a coincidence that his hire was announced when it was. Beard's buyout dropped significantly on April 1. Texas Tech lost on March 21. Probably had the contract worked out in a day or two. Then spent the next 2 weeks building his staff.
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Mick Cronin gets two year extension at UCLA through 2026-2027, worth a guaranteed $4 Million per year.
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Sounds like Jamie McNeily is leaving Buzz after eleven years (!) to join Ben Johnson's new staff at Minnesota. He was with him at New Orleans, Marquette, Virginia Tech and Texas A&M, and played for him at New Orleans.
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MN was vacated due to a firing. The coach just happened to find a job after that.
which reduced his buyout to $0:
• The Gophers athletic department won’t pay one penny in a buyout to former men’s basketball coach Richard Pitino, according to the separation agreement obtained by the Pioneer Press on Wednesday.
• Pitino’s contract called for a $1.75 million buyout if he was fired before April 30, but a clause called for that to cease when Pitino found similar employment.
• The Gophers will pay Pitino a one-time sum of $125,000 for “academic incentive bonuses.”
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Sounds like Jamie McNeily is leaving Buzz after eleven years (!) to join Ben Johnson's new staff at Minnesota. He was with him at New Orleans, Marquette, Virginia Tech and Texas A&M, and played for him at New Orleans.
Good career move. Shows he has value to someone besides Buzz .
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Good career move. Shows he has value to someone besides Buzz .
Interesting. It takes 19 years for a Coach K assistant to establish market value outside of Cameron.
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Creighton assistant Paul Lusk is returning to Purdue to be an assistant. He was previously an assistant there.
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Creighton assistant Paul Lusk is returning to Purdue to be an assistant. He was previously an assistant there.
Guess he wanted off the plantation, eh?
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For anyone that cares, one particular source I have that is fairly well connected at UMBC says that they're taking a look at hiring Wojo but nothing is certain yet.
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For anyone that cares, one particular source I have that is fairly well connected at UMBC says that they're taking a look at hiring Wojo but nothing is certain yet.
He can do better than UMBC.
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He can do better than UMBC.
I think he can, too. Just saying that the guy I know in the athletics department there said his name had been mentioned by some people.
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For anyone that cares, one particular source I have that is fairly well connected at UMBC says that they're taking a look at hiring Wojo but nothing is certain yet.
What? Matt Doherty isn't available?
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He can do better than UMBC.
What's open that's better & would want him?
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He can do better than UMBC.
He got 7 years at one of the most well funded P6 basketball programs and was fired.
If you were an AD at a P6 school, would you hire Wojo?
I wouldn't. He needs to cut his teeth and build something from the ground up. He crashed the Benz, now he gets to drive the '98 Civic.
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He got 7 years at one of the most well funded P6 basketball programs and was fired.
If you were an AD at a P6 school, would you hire Wojo?
I wouldn't. He needs to cut his teeth and build something from the ground up. He crashed the Benz, now he gets to drive the '98 Civic.
If you look at some of the lower half P6 schools, his resume is better than many of the coaches hired. We weren’t thrilled with his results, but it’s not like we never made a Tourney and finished 4-14 every year in conference.
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If you look at some of the lower half P6 schools, his resume is better than many of the coaches hired. We weren’t thrilled with his results, but it’s not like we never made a Tourney and finished 4-14 every year in conference.
On top of that there is a long list of programs better than UMBC that aren’t in the p6.
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He crashed the Benz, now he gets to drive the '98 Civic.
Nice.
Though I would argue that Honda power plants are among the finest ever engineered and your analogy does disservice to that tradition of excellence. A '98 Civic stands as testament to the nobility of precision.
No, I would say, Wojo crashed the Benz and now tools around town in a Yugo.
What a f#cking disaster that guy was.
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He can do better than UMBC.
Possibly. But maybe a mid-major like UMBC would be exactly what he needs to grow as a coach.
His entire coaching career has been as an assistant at a blue blood and a HC at a P6 school with huge resources and great BB history. MU was very patient, but the success just wasn't there. Maybe UMBC can be to him what Ball State was to Majerus...a place to experiment and grow under a light that isn't so bright. And yeah - there may be better non-P6 schools with openings, but who are we to say what might work best for him?
Either way, I wish Wojo nothing but the best in his post-MU career.
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Either way, I wish Wojo nothing but the best in his post-MU career.
You are much too generous, Doc. Personally, I don't believe charlatans are worthy of best wishes. Wojo was little more than an actor impersonating Coach K.
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Calling UMBC and America East "mid major" may be accurate, but barely. I mean, that's where Killings is coaching now.
I don't think Wojo could get a P6 job, but A10, MVC, Sun Belt or Southern? Yes. And those would be better jobs than UMBC.
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If you look at some of the lower half P6 schools, his resume is better than many of the coaches hired. We weren’t thrilled with his results, but it’s not like we never made a Tourney and finished 4-14 every year in conference.
And at those schools he would have less resources. Again, would you hire him to be your coach if you were say.... Wake Forest? Boston College? Vanderbilt? TCU? Nebraska?
I don't know man. I wouldn't put my career on the line to hire Wojo. Not with his resume.
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Nice.
Though I would argue that Honda power plants are among the finest ever engineered and your analogy does disservice to that tradition of excellence. A '98 Civic stands as testament to the nobility of precision.
No, I would say, Wojo crashed the Benz and now tools around town in a Yugo.
What a f#cking disaster that guy was.
Honda is quality, I should have go with '98 Ford Taurus. The transmissions blew out on those things constantly. And as we know, Wojo never really made it out of 2nd gear. Always slipping...
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Honda is quality, I should have go with '98 Ford Taurus. The transmissions blew out on those things constantly. And as we know, Wojo never really made it out of 2nd gear. Always slipping...
Can confirm, having mine blow out on 45 north in morning rush hour traffic. No exhaust and no transmission, awesome.
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And at those schools he would have less resources. Again, would you hire him to be your coach if you were say.... Wake Forest? Boston College? Vanderbilt? TCU? Nebraska?
I don't know man. I wouldn't put my career on the line to hire Wojo. Not with his resume.
Would I? Probably not.
Just looking at who BC and PSU hired and have hired in the past, Wojo isn’t that far below them, if at all. Coaches on the verge of getting fired get hired at other P6 places. Oliver Purnell jumped from Clemson to DePaul.
Now, I was looking this up before Wojo got fired. Now that he was fired, it might be a little different.
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And at those schools he would have less resources. Again, would you hire him to be your coach if you were say.... Wake Forest? Boston College? Vanderbilt? TCU? Nebraska?
I don't know man. I wouldn't put my career on the line to hire Wojo. Not with his resume.
Anthony Grant, Frank Haith, Steve Alford, Kelvin Sampson, Travis Ford, Josh Pastner, Bruce Weber, Mike Anderson, Johnny Dawkins, Jeff Capel, Pitino Jr...plenty of high major guys that get fired and land at programs way better than UMBC
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Calling UMBC and America East "mid major" may be accurate, but barely. I mean, that's where Killings is coaching now.
Yea, UMBC has 2 post season berths in their history. Rarely do they contend for a conference title. Odom’s success is very much an outlier. AEast is skirting the bottom of the mid major realm and that’s really just cause of Vermont
Anthony Grant, Frank Haith, Steve Alford, Kelvin Sampson, Travis Ford, Josh Pastner, Bruce Weber, Mike Anderson, Johnny Dawkins, Jeff Capel, Pitino Jr...plenty of high major guys that get fired and land at programs way better than UMBC
None of those guys flamed out and failed at their first HC gig though. The only two that got a P5 job first and then got fired were Pastner and Dawkins.
But Pastner won multiple NCAA games and multiple conference championships. Dawkins won the NIT twice and made a S16.
Putting Weber and Sampson with Wojo in a discussion about coaches and P6 lack of success is hysterical
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Odom was earning $425k at UMBC. MU pays most assistants a lot more than that.
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Anthony Grant, Frank Haith, Steve Alford, Kelvin Sampson, Travis Ford, Josh Pastner, Bruce Weber, Mike Anderson, Johnny Dawkins, Jeff Capel, Pitino Jr...plenty of high major guys that get fired and land at programs way better than UMBC
Every single one of those coaches you listed has actually won an NCAAT game and/or have taken multiple teams to tournament. For many reasons, Wojo is not at that level.
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Every single one of those coaches you listed has actually won an NCAAT game and/or have taken multiple teams to tournament. For many reasons, Wojo is not at that level.
I'd take Wojo over Richard pitino in a heart beat. His first year was on par with the Rowsey team, he had two average tournament teams as did Wojo. Then Wojo had the Markus and Sam team and the Henry year both of which is take over the remainder of the Pitino teams.
we're splitting hairs but I think Wojo wins that contest.
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Yea, UMBC has 2 post season berths in their history. Rarely do they contend for a conference title. Odom’s success is very much an outlier. AEast is skirting the bottom of the mid major realm and that’s really just cause of Vermont
None of those guys flamed out and failed at their first HC gig though. The only two that got a P5 job first and then got fired were Pastner and Dawkins.
But Pastner won multiple NCAA games and multiple conference championships. Dawkins won the NIT twice and made a S16.
Putting Weber and Sampson with Wojo in a discussion about coaches and P6 lack of success is hysterical
I'm talking about guys that failed at high major jobs and then got chances at other decent programs, programs better than UMBC. My guess is that Wojo gets a job at a school similar to the coaches that I listed above.
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Mark Fox' tenure at Georgia makes Wojo look like a star. He landed the Cal job after a year off.
I have no idea if Wojo is interested in UMBC or not. I do think he could likely land a better gig if he waited.
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I'm talking about guys that failed at high major jobs and then got chances at other decent programs, programs better than UMBC. My guess is that Wojo gets a job at a school similar to the coaches that I listed above.
Friendly wager?
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Wojo may very well get another P6 job down the line, but I would think his ceiling right now is an AAC/A10 job, with a CAA/MVC/AE/Horizon job more than opportunistic to get another shot down the road. I think the biggest red flag with Wojo is that he took over an established, proven, respected top-25 college basketball job in the country - one where the prior two head coaches, at their height, reached a Final Four and an Elite Eight - and where the expectation is to reach the tournament every year, competing for a second weekend showing every few years. Wojo, as we all know, had zero tournament wins and two official tournament appearances in seven years (for sake of argument, let's give him the third). Three out of seven is still bad - for a program that has an NBA arena to play games in, has one of the highest budgets in college basketball, has historically recruited well and won, etc. If Wojo was unable to attain any form of high-level success with those resources, what would that say about programs that do not have those at their disposal? It's easier to recruit high-level talent with a proven program (i.e. a Duke or even a Marquette); however, it takes winners to do something with that. Unfortunately, Wojo was not a consistent winner at MU (despite all of the resources). Couple that with the Hauser situation, and the regularity of the team under performing, I'm not sure Wojo will be able to be as selective as some on here believe.
I would think pursuing the UMBC job, a position where it is set-up to compete for the America East regularly and get into the tournament, in his backyard would be a very opportunistic way to get back into the club, so to speak. Going back to Duke would be the worse thing, IMO. He should get out of his comfort zone, roll up his sleeves and try and overachieve at a lower program.
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Friendly wager?
How do you define a job that's better than UMBC?
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Mark Fox' tenure at Georgia makes Wojo look like a star. He landed the Cal job after a year off.
I have no idea if Wojo is interested in UMBC or not. I do think he could likely land a better gig if he waited.
Mark Fox also won NCAAT games at Nevada. Georgia has eight NCAAT appearances in the past thirty years, and only twelve in history. Failing to win at Georgia is not the same as failing to win at Marquette.
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Mark Fox also won NCAAT games at Nevada. Georgia has eight NCAAT appearances in the past thirty years, and only twelve in history. Failing to win at Georgia is not the same as failing to win at Marquette.
What does 6 years at Texas without an NCAA win say about a coach?
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I'm talking about guys that failed at high major jobs and then got chances at other decent programs, programs better than UMBC. My guess is that Wojo gets a job at a school similar to the coaches that I listed above.
That’s fine, but those high major “failures” aren’t in a vacuum. Those coaches proved they can win elsewhere before getting that high major job. Wojo has not. Not at all apples to apples.
And failure is not all equal. Having success and then missing on a few classes or trending down leading to a dismissal is different than never really succeeding at all.
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He can do better than UMBC.
Doubt that at this time. He's simply goin' to have to show that he can win more before a better program takes that chance. Frankly, there are better candidates available than Woj, aina?
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What does 6 years at Texas without an NCAA win say about a coach?
Again, Shaka won at VCU before Texas. If he was a hotshot Florida assistant who got the Texas job and did what he did, he wouldn’t be getting the Marquette job or anything similar.
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That’s fine, but those high major “failures” aren’t in a vacuum. Those coaches proved they can win elsewhere before getting that high major job. Wojo has not. Not at all apples to apples.
And failure is not all equal. Having success and then missing on a few classes or trending down leading to a dismissal is different than never really succeeding at all.
Let me be clear that I'm not trying to vouch for Wojo as a good coach and I'm not saying he's better/worse than any of the guys I listed. I guess my opinion is that in NCAA coaching once you get to a certain level your floor becomes a lot higher. And I think Wojo is still a pretty recognizable name in college basketball. Combined with the fact that his time at Marquette wasn't THAT bad, I think he can get another decent job.
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Mark Fox also won NCAAT games at Nevada. Georgia has eight NCAAT appearances in the past thirty years, and only twelve in history. Failing to win at Georgia is not the same as failing to win at Marquette.
Meh, I never really buy the "it's easier to win at Marquette than [insert other P6 school]" arguments. I don't think recruits really care that Georgia only has X number of tournament in the past X number of years. Hire the right coach and Georgia could be a basketball power in a few years. Hire the wrong one and Marquette can be at Georgia's level in a few years. The differences in resources between the two is not as great as some would like to believe.
I feel the same way about our current coach. I don't knock him because "winning at Texas should have been easy." It's all about hiring the right coach to the right program.
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Doubt that at this time. He's simply goin' to have to show that he can win more before a better program takes that chance. Frankly, there are better candidates available than Woj, aina?
Regardless of what Scoopers think about Wojo, he has a career 128-95 record. Had teams place 2nd and 3rd in the Big East, and would have led the team to 3 NCAA tournaments if it wasn't for COVID.
He also demonstrated that he is a very strong recruiter.
That's sufficient to be fired at MU; but also sufficient to get a solid new coaching gig.
Someone better than UMBC will give him a chance, maybe not this year, but he'll be coaching a solid Mid-Major, or lower tier P6 team sooner rather than later.
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Doubt that at this time. He's simply goin' to have to show that he can win more before a better program takes that chance. Frankly, there are better candidates available than Woj, aina?
Wojo is Persona Non Grata in the P6
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Yea, UMBC has 2 post season berths in their history.
Let's face it: UMBC enjoyed their greatest success when Brett Roseboro was patrolling the paint for the Retrievers.
Talent like Brett Roseboro doesn't grow on trees. Not only did Brett have a sweet touch around the hoop but his faux ghetto accent was second to none among white males standing 6' 10" or greater.
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Sorry, in the conversation of desired D1 gigs right now, Woj is irrelevant. UMBC seems like a mutually beneficial landing spot, hey?
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How do you define a job that's better than UMBC?
You can have all the P6 schools, I will take the field.
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Let's face it: UMBC enjoyed their greatest success when Brett Roseboro was patrolling the paint for the Retrievers.
Talent like Brett Roseboro doesn't grow on trees. Not only did Brett have a sweet touch around the hoop but his faux ghetto accent was second to none among white males standing 6' 10" or greater.
You'd be right if they hadn't been the only 16 seed to ever upset a 1 seed in the tournament.
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You'd be right if they hadn't been the only 16 seed to ever upset a 1 seed in the tournament.
The “Beast” was long gone from UMBC by then.
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Sorry, in the conversation of desired D1 gigs right now, Woj is irrelevant. UMBC seems like a mutually beneficial landing spot, hey?
Eye jus' don unnastand u when u tok lik dis, hey?
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Let's face it: UMBC enjoyed their greatest success when Brett Roseboro was patrolling the paint for the Retrievers.
Talent like Brett Roseboro doesn't grow on trees. Not only did Brett have a sweet touch around the hoop but his faux ghetto accent was second to none among white males gingers standing 6' 10" or greater.
FIFY
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The “Beast” was long gone from UMBC by then.
Someone had to instill the culture.
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The University of Cincinnati is seeking a new Head Basketball Coach. it has parted ways with John Brannen. (Rothstein)
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The University of Cincinnati is seeking a new Head Basketball Coach. it has parted ways with John Brannen. (Rothstein)
Seriously? He had a good year last year and a rough year this year. They have to be thinking of a particular person right? Because that seems like a crazy short leash.
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Seriously? He had a good year last year and a rough year this year. They have to be thinking of a particular person right? Because that seems like a crazy short leash.
This came after an internal investigation. There were accusations, mass transfer exodus, etc...things I heard of example were 3.5 hour practices where Medical Staff had to intervene to stop practice. Also mentioned were talking with some players about other players. Various things of that nature.(Just the messenger here) He had some returning player support but not others. I believe they were down to a lower level of scholarship players.
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Seriously? He had a good year last year and a rough year this year. They have to be thinking of a particular person right? Because that seems like a crazy short leash.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31189472/cincinnati-coach-john-brannen-leave-amid-investigation
He was under investigation...though there is speculation that this was done to justify firing him for cause when really they just have buyer's remorse. I imagine Cincy is really salty watching Cronin going to the Final Four after 7 consecutive first weekend exits at Cincy.
To be clear, I have no idea on the veracity of the allegations. Just reporting that there's been speculation.
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You can have all the P6 schools, I will take the field.
Nah. I've never said Wojo would definitely land a P6 job. And there's probably ~100 schools in between P6 level and UMBC.
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31189472/cincinnati-coach-john-brannen-leave-amid-investigation
He was under investigation...though there is speculation that this was done to justify firing him for cause when really they just have buyer's remorse. I imagine Cincy is really salty watching Cronin going to the Final Four after 7 consecutive first weekend exits at Cincy.
To be clear, I have no idea on the veracity of the allegations. Just reporting that there's been speculation.
Sounds like a good landing spot for a Wojo-type. KO was the reclamation specialist. Crean was the car salesman. Buzz the fixer. Wojo the cleanser.
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Mark Fox' tenure at Georgia makes Wojo look like a star.
Did Mark Fox ever call for his team to foul with 10 seconds left in a tie game?
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Regardless of what Scoopers think about Wojo, he has a career 128-95 record. Had teams place 2nd and 3rd in the Big East, and would have led the team to 3 NCAA tournaments if it wasn't for COVID.
He also demonstrated that he is a very strong recruiter.
That's sufficient to be fired at MU; but also sufficient to get a solid new coaching gig.
Someone better than UMBC will give him a chance, maybe not this year, but he'll be coaching a solid Mid-Major, or lower tier P6 team sooner rather than later.
Some other facts:
Wojo had a 59–68 (.465) conference record. He finished in the bottom half of the conference in five of seven years, had two losing seasons (more than any prior HC in decades) and had more losses to the last place teams in conference than his predecessors. He recruited "high-star" athletes, but - by the results - what was he able to do with them? His teams regressed as seasons wore on, with several late season collapses. He also lost two of his highest level recruits because they were unhappy.
Someone "better" than UMBC might very well give him a chance, but no one has hired Wojo as a head coach since he was dismissed, in a year of historical turnover and openings. Believe me, if a school values Wojo as the best candidate to be a head coach for their program, he will get a chance. However, the fact many of these open programs are not busting down doors to get him should speak volumes IMO.
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31189472/cincinnati-coach-john-brannen-leave-amid-investigation
He was under investigation...though there is speculation that this was done to justify firing him for cause when really they just have buyer's remorse. I imagine Cincy is really salty watching Cronin going to the Final Four after 7 consecutive first weekend exits at Cincy.
To be clear, I have no idea on the veracity of the allegations. Just reporting that there's been speculation.
Interesting thanks for the information, Had no idea. Could definitely understand frustration watching Cronin get it done so quickly at UCLA for sure.
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Seriously? He had a good year last year and a rough year this year. They have to be thinking of a particular person right? Because that seems like a crazy short leash.
Archie?
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If I'm Wojo, I'm really thinking about trying to get an assistant job in the NBA. It's a popular path to the college game and if he couldn't get a UMBC or even Cincy to work, his career could be really cut short. Go to the NBA for a few years, then likely have your pick of college jobs if you want to come back. And you might actually end up a better coach because of it.
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If I'm Wojo, I'm really thinking about trying to get an assistant job in the NBA. It's a popular path to the college game and if he couldn't get a UMBC or even Cincy to work, his career could be really cut short. Go to the NBA for a few years, then likely have your pick of college jobs if you want to come back. And you might actually end up a better coach because of it.
The question is whether he could find the humility to learn during it. I mean if you spend all that time next to one of if not the greatest college coach ever you're going to need to be pretty humble to sit on another coaches bench and learn that there's other ways of doing things when the talent doesn't win out.
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The question is whether he could find the humility to learn during it. I mean if you spend all that time next to one of if not the greatest college coach ever you're going to need to be pretty humble to sit on another coaches bench and learn that there's other ways of doing things when the talent doesn't win out.
Agreed completely. Being stubborn enough to get fired over your refusal to entertain doing things differently could either be a wakeup call, or further entrench him into believing he truly knows best.
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If I'm Wojo, I'm really thinking about trying to get an assistant job in the NBA. It's a popular path to the college game and if he couldn't get a UMBC or even Cincy to work, his career could be really cut short. Go to the NBA for a few years, then likely have your pick of college jobs if you want to come back. And you might actually end up a better coach because of it.
Tough time to get NBA assistant jobs. Those are filled in the Summer, normally. Duke connections that could be a help would be Elton Brand (Philadelphia), Trajon Langdon (New Orleans) or Quinn Snyder (Utah).
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Are Pop and K tight through their Olympic connection? (And Wojo was involved with Olympics too, right?) Being on Pop’s coaching staff for 2 years could really benefit him.
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Coach Bud wouldn't be bad either. From the Pop tree, and he wouldn't have to move.
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Coach Bud wouldn't be bad either. From the Pop tree, and he wouldn't have to move.
Darvin Ham is gonna get a job this summer as a head coach, so there might be an opening.
That said, when Miami bounces the Bucks in the 3-6 series, Bud will be looking for a gig too.
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Someone had to instill the culture.
That's exactly right.
The Beast laid down the foundation for an atmosphere of inclusion through his masterful employment of ebonics on the court, in the locker room, and during media interviews.
I think we all know that the Retrievers take down of #1 Seed UVA traces back directly to The Beast and the culture he created at UMBC.
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Sounds like a good landing spot for a Wojo-type. KO was the reclamation specialist. Crean was the car salesman. Buzz the fixer. Wojo the cleanser.
Cleanser Qualifications (required):
Bachelor's degree from Duke University
Able to wear a suit
Gelled side part haircut (non-threatening)
Monotone vanilla speech pattern
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Cleanser Qualifications (required):
Bachelor's degree from Duke University
Able to wear a suit
Gelled side part haircut (non-threatening)
Monotone vanilla speech pattern
.....Coaching acumen equivalent to Bob Dukiet
.....Ability to shine K's shoes whenever needed
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Did Mark Fox ever call for his team to foul with 10 seconds left in a tie game?
Maybe I am wrong, but I still believe Wojo was just taking the blame for Bailey not understanding what Wojo wanted him to do. This is no different than Wojo not agreeing to fire his assistant's. Whether you like Wojo or not, I do not think you can find an instance where he ever put the blame on his players or assistant coaches.
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Wojo was clearly calling for a foul, and Bailey was hesitant in doing so. Bailey eventually did foul, against his better instincts, and then demanded to know why he was being screamed at to foul. Wojo’s answer was “there was confusion on the bench”.
If I recall Koby hit a shot at the buzzer to send the game to overtime, making the point moot. But, still an embarrassing lack of awareness by a head coach.
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Wojo was clearly calling for a foul, and Bailey was hesitant in doing so. Bailey eventually did foul, against his better instincts, and then demanded to know why he was being screamed at to foul. Wojo’s answer was “there was confusion on the bench”.
If I recall Koby hit a shot at the buzzer to send the game to overtime, making the point moot. But, still an embarrassing lack of awareness by a head coach.
Yup, that was 100% wojo's call from the bench.
5th grade coaches know better.
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It was the right call, wrong guy to foul.
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Maybe I am wrong, but I still believe Wojo was just taking the blame for Bailey not understanding what Wojo wanted him to do. This is no different than Wojo not agreeing to fire his assistant's. Whether you like Wojo or not, I do not think you can find an instance where he ever put the blame on his players or assistant coaches.
Wojo didn’t want to retain his assistants out of some sense of loyalty. He wanted them back because he was a stubborn a$$hole and knew he had a $9 million buyout in his back pocket if the admin didn’t like it.
He didn’t save anybody’s job. None of his assistants work at Marquette anymore.
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It was the right call, wrong guy to foul.
He's gone, there's no reason to excuse his mistakes. You don't send a shooter to the line, any shooter, in a tie game with seconds left to play. That's the surest way to move your win probability into the negative. Wojo made a clear mistake, was bailed out by a miracle from Koby after they had to foul a second time, and lost anyway in overtime.
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Friendly wager?
Such a tool.
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He didn’t save anybody’s job. None of his assistants work at Marquette anymore.
"Buy this book or we'll shoot this dog!"
...PJ O'Rourke
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Wojo loved this job, his players, & the university. I don't see why it's hard to understand why he'd still be coming to terms with everything & figuring out next steps in his overall life. He worked his arse off & the job consumed, very likely, 70, 80, 90+ hours/week for years.
Himself aside, he has a family that he moved across the country.
That he doesn't have a job 3 weeks later is not some kind of obvious sign of anything... Any of you guys ever wish you devoted more time to your kids? Would you have done so, perhaps, if you had less of a concern with money? ::)
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Maybe I am wrong, but I still believe Wojo was just taking the blame for Bailey not understanding what Wojo wanted him to do. This is no different than Wojo not agreeing to fire his assistant's. Whether you like Wojo or not, I do not think you can find an instance where he ever put the blame on his players or assistant coaches.
Nope. Wojo didn’t know the score. With under 10 seconds left in the game. To his credit he admitted what was clear to anyone watching - but wtf? How can that happen? It was the final three nails in the coffin for me.
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Nope. Wojo didn’t know the score. With under 10 seconds left in the game. To his credit he admitted what was clear to anyone watching - but wtf? How can that happen? It was the final three nails in the coffin for me.
Yessir, Tony, you were right then and you're right now. It was embarrassingly poor coaching, and even honest ProJos said so at the time.
And I swear, I think it was the next game, he was telling the guys to foul with us up 4. Our player (Cain?) tried to foul but the ref didn't call it, thankfully, saving Wojo yet another humiliating moment.
My "final nail" didn't come until the DePaul loss this past season, but now I realize I had been too patient. Not that any impatience from me or any other Scooper would have made a difference, but I wouldn't have wasted energy defending him if I had gone NoJo sooner.
Small price to pay for being an eternal optimist, I guess.
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It’s crazy people are still trying to defend him forgetting the score and game situation.
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Wojo loved this job, his players, & the university. I don't see why it's hard to understand why he'd still be coming to terms with everything & figuring out next steps in his overall life. He worked his arse off & the job consumed, very likely, 70, 80, 90+ hours/week for years.
Himself aside, he has a family that he moved across the country.
That he doesn't have a job 3 weeks later is not some kind of obvious sign of anything... Any of you guys ever wish you devoted more time to your kids? Would you have done so, perhaps, if you had less of a concern with money? ::)
Amen to this. The guy was a basketball coach. He was clearly a good dude. He tried very hard. It didn't work out. No idea why folks are so invested in crapping on him. How hard is to wish a guy well?
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It was the right call, wrong guy to foul.
Uhhh, no. Wrong. Incorrect. No go. Denied.
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Such a tool.
?????
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I was at the MU - Butler game about 15 rows up directly across from the MU bench. My initial reaction was - What the hell is Wojo doing here?
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Nope. Wojo didn’t know the score. With under 10 seconds left in the game. To his credit he admitted what was clear to anyone watching - but wtf? How can that happen? It was the final three nails in the coffin for me.
It was actually 19 seconds left when Bailey fouled, but the shot clock was turned off. Tie game, Baldwin went to the line and split a pair. Howard missed a potential game-winning three, MU fouled Baldwin again with 8 seconds left (that was the under 10 seconds, but correct to give foul) and he put Butler up 3, then McEwen hit the game winner at the buzzer.
Not that it matters much, it was a dumb decision regardless, but clearly a mistake on Wojo's part because he didn't know the score.
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Wojo loved this job, his players, & the university. I don't see why it's hard to understand why he'd still be coming to terms with everything & figuring out next steps in his overall life. He worked his arse off & the job consumed, very likely, 70, 80, 90+ hours/week for years.
Himself aside, he has a family that he moved across the country.
That he doesn't have a job 3 weeks later is not some kind of obvious sign of anything... Any of you guys ever wish you devoted more time to your kids? Would you have done so, perhaps, if you had less of a concern with money? ::)
How much money did MU pay Wojo in the totality of his 7 year tenure at MU including his buyout?
Why did Wojo proactively seek out and willingly accept the job at MU if the hours required to work were so problematic to him? Also, why didn’t Wojo leave MU on his own accord if the job was such a burden?
I wish Wojo the best in his future endeavors, but the narrative that he’s a victim is perplexing. Wojo was paid extremely well at MU and was given great resources and support.
Wojo underperformed at MU, and the administration decided to move in a different direction.
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It was the right call, wrong guy to foul.
In the words of John McEnroe, you cannot be serious.
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Seriously? He had a good year last year and a rough year this year. They have to be thinking of a particular person right? Because that seems like a crazy short leash.
Rothstein with a nice editorial ripping Cincy.
https://collegehoopstoday.com/index.php/rothstein-files/column-cincinnatis-once-proud-basketball-program-is-now-at-an-all-time-low/
The decision to terminate John Brannen on Friday feels more like a witch hunt than anything that’s based on real circumstances.
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Wojo didn’t want to retain his assistants out of some sense of loyalty. He wanted them back because he was a stubborn a$$hole and knew he had a $9 million buyout in his back pocket if the admin didn’t like it.
He didn’t save anybody’s job. None of his assistants work at Marquette anymore.
A lot of fans wanted Wojo gone and were very vocal about it. Firing his assistants might of given him one more year, but with all the fans hating him he was smart to say no. Why go through another year of torment with fans hating you.
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Wojo loved this job, his players, & the university. I don't see why it's hard to understand why he'd still be coming to terms with everything & figuring out next steps in his overall life. He worked his arse off & the job consumed, very likely, 70, 80, 90+ hours/week for years.
Himself aside, he has a family that he moved across the country.
That he doesn't have a job 3 weeks later is not some kind of obvious sign of anything... Any of you guys ever wish you devoted more time to your kids? Would you have done so, perhaps, if you had less of a concern with money? ::)
The reason he needs to "come to terms" with being fired is because he did not "come to terms" with having failed. The reported 9 million he received should help tide him over while figuring out the next steps in his overall life. Anybody here who got 9 mil heading after being fired? I'm not saying that personal attacks are in any way justified but criticisms of his tenure are. He's entitled to respect as a person but not sympathy for the consequences of his failures.
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Next season would have been brutal with Woj still here, unless he had a stellar season and won a couple games in the Tourney. Plus, ticket sales, at least at first, would have plummeted. As I've said before, MU couldn't afford to keep him around. In this case, change is good. Keep hope alive, hey?
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Next season would have been brutal with Woj still here, unless he had a stellar season and won a couple games in the Tourney. Plus, ticket sales, at least at first, would have plummeted. As I've said before, MU couldn't afford to keep him around. In this case, change is good. Keep hope alive, hey?
This is correct. As someone that was a “projo”, my contention was in January the program was between a rock and hard place. He’d lost the fans and the program was stagnant at best with no proof of improvement. As the season ended and it seemed likely he’d return, I thought it was actually more prudent financially to move on now because apathy next winter was going to cost them more.
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In the words of John McEnroe, you cannot be serious.
Any reference to John McEnroe in a college hoops thread is worthy of a 🤙
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Any reference to John McEnroe in a college hoops thread is worthy of a 🤙
Didn't he bone a very nubile Tatum O'Neal?
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Didn't he bone a very nubile Tatum O'Neal?
https://bfy.tw/QiDA
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Who then changed teams!?!
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Uhhh, no. Wrong. Incorrect. No go. Denied.
It was actually 19 seconds left when Bailey fouled, but the shot clock was turned off. Tie game, Baldwin went to the line and split a pair. Howard missed a potential game-winning three, MU fouled Baldwin again with 8 seconds left (that was the under 10 seconds, but correct to give foul) and he put Butler up 3, then McEwen hit the game winner at the buzzer.
Not that it matters much, it was a dumb decision regardless, but clearly a mistake on Wojo's part because he didn't know the score.
In the words of John McEnroe, you cannot be serious.
Check out the charts here: https://kenpom.com/blog/the-guide-to-fouling-when-leading-or-tied/
Marquette had a 28% chance of winning the game before it started. It was the 8th team foul (1 and 1), so you generally foul an under 70% FT shooter with the game tied and the shot clock off. Butler had Baldwin, Tucker, and McDermott on the floor not to foul. Baddely and Nze were also on the floor to foul.
I tried to plug in the situations to Barttorvik's win probability calculator, but it doesn't take in to account who has the ball. Interestingly, Marquette has a better chance of winning the game down 69-68 then with the game tied at 68, if you look at the Win Probability Chart on kenpom. Jordan Sperber (who some on here want as an assistant coach) had Todd Golden on his podcast, a couple of weeks after this game and both mentioned it was the right strategy.
Wojo had no idea what he was doing in this situation. But there will come a time in the next couple of seasons, where the game will be tied or MU will be up 2 late and there should be strategies where bad free throw shooters are identified on the other team. These guys should be fouled. Wojo never took the time to look at these things to squeeze out every extra advantage.
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Check out the charts here: https://kenpom.com/blog/the-guide-to-fouling-when-leading-or-tied/
Marquette had a 28% chance of winning the game before it started. It was the 8th team foul (1 and 1), so you generally foul an under 70% FT shooter with the game tied and the shot clock off.
I have never seen someone intentionally foul a player in that situation. Unless they forget the score.
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Check out the charts here: https://kenpom.com/blog/the-guide-to-fouling-when-leading-or-tied/
Marquette had a 28% chance of winning the game before it started. It was the 8th team foul (1 and 1), so you generally foul an under 70% FT shooter with the game tied and the shot clock off. Butler had Baldwin, Tucker, and McDermott on the floor not to foul. Baddely and Nze were also on the floor to foul.
I tried to plug in the situations to Barttorvik's win probability calculator, but it doesn't take in to account who has the ball. Interestingly, Marquette has a better chance of winning the game down 69-68 then with the game tied at 68, if you look at the Win Probability Chart on kenpom. Jordan Sperber (who some on here want as an assistant coach) had Todd Golden on his podcast, a couple of weeks after this game and both mentioned it was the right strategy.
Wojo had no idea what he was doing in this situation. But there will come a time in the next couple of seasons, where the game will be tied or MU will be up 2 late and there should be strategies where bad free throw shooters are identified on the other team. These guys should be fouled. Wojo never took the time to look at these things to squeeze out every extra advantage.
When has anyone else ever intentionally fouled in a tie game last possession situation?
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I have never seen someone intentionally foul a player in that situation. Unless they forget the score.
Exactly - Didn’t mean to repeat exactly what you said above, but the explanation from MUDPT triggered me ;-)
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Check out the charts here: https://kenpom.com/blog/the-guide-to-fouling-when-leading-or-tied/
Marquette had a 28% chance of winning the game before it started. It was the 8th team foul (1 and 1), so you generally foul an under 70% FT shooter with the game tied and the shot clock off. Butler had Baldwin, Tucker, and McDermott on the floor not to foul. Baddely and Nze were also on the floor to foul.
I tried to plug in the situations to Barttorvik's win probability calculator, but it doesn't take in to account who has the ball. Interestingly, Marquette has a better chance of winning the game down 69-68 then with the game tied at 68, if you look at the Win Probability Chart on kenpom. Jordan Sperber (who some on here want as an assistant coach) had Todd Golden on his podcast, a couple of weeks after this game and both mentioned it was the right strategy.
Wojo had no idea what he was doing in this situation. But there will come a time in the next couple of seasons, where the game will be tied or MU will be up 2 late and there should be strategies where bad free throw shooters are identified on the other team. These guys should be fouled. Wojo never took the time to look at these things to squeeze out every extra advantage.
I am not saying we should of fouled, but I believe we would of lost if we let Butler take the last shot. The Butler player had just scored something like 19 straight points. We had no way of stopping him, if it went down to the last shot. On the flip side Markus missed the shot that would of put us up. I do not think Markus made a clutch game winning shot his whole career.
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Wojo loved this job, his players, & the university. I don't see why it's hard to understand why he'd still be coming to terms with everything & figuring out next steps in his overall life. He worked his arse off & the job consumed, very likely, 70, 80, 90+ hours/week for years.
Himself aside, he has a family that he moved across the country.
That he doesn't have a job 3 weeks later is not some kind of obvious sign of anything... Any of you guys ever wish you devoted more time to your kids? Would you have done so, perhaps, if you had less of a concern with money? ::)
I think we should all hang our heads in shame for mocking a dude who by all accounts is simply not very bright.
Criticizing a guy who was paid millions of dollars to coach basketball for being both stupid and incompetent is inexcusable. For the love of God, this poor man's lack of intelligence and improbable ineptitude should not be a source of humor to us.
We are better than this.
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I think we should all hang our heads in shame for mocking a dude who by all accounts is simply not very bright.
Criticizing a guy who was paid millions of dollars to coach basketball for being both stupid and incompetent is inexcusable. For the love of God, this poor man's lack of intelligence and improbable ineptitude should not be a source of humor to us.
We are better than this.
Because after all, he learned all those over 15 plus years on Ks knee. So he should be excused for his lack of performance because he only cashed in about 20 million zoidees while at MU
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It was actually 19 seconds left when Bailey fouled, but the shot clock was turned off. Tie game, Baldwin went to the line and split a pair. Howard missed a potential game-winning three, MU fouled Baldwin again with 8 seconds left (that was the under 10 seconds, but correct to give foul) and he put Butler up 3, then McEwen hit the game winner at the buzzer.
Not that it matters much, it was a dumb decision regardless, but clearly a mistake on Wojo's part because he didn't know the score.
I actually dont mind the strategy of fouling there, especially if you are the lesser team. If you don't foul the best case is OT. If you foul you have a shot to win.
https://kenpom.com/blog/category/strategy/
But that wasn't the case in this scenario. Wojo clearly messed up and admitted it.
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But that wasn't the case in this scenario. Wojo clearly messed up and admitted it.
Let's face it: Wojo stepped in a steaming pile. There is no denying BM.
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When has anyone else ever intentionally fouled in a tie game last possession situation?
Click on the link.
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Click on the link.
I did and I’m surprised you’re using that example as it explicitly says to foul a poor free throw shooter. What was Baldwin’s free throw percentage that season?
Also another question - How many coaches admit they screwed up in the post game interview after that situation? If he meant to do it, wouldn’t he come out and say it?
Also also - I have a very hard time believing the coach who ignored even the most obvious of the advanced stats would, just one time, buy into a strategy like that.
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I did and I’m surprised you’re using that example as it explicitly says to foul a poor free throw shooter. What was Baldwin’s free throw percentage that season?
Also another question - How many coaches admit they screwed up in the post game interview after that situation? If he meant to do it, wouldn’t he come out and say it?
Also also - I have a very hard time believing the coach who ignored even the most obvious of the advanced stats would, just one time, buy into a strategy like that.
He never said that Wojo intentionally followed that strategy. Just that it would be a good strategy to follow in certain circumstances.
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I actually dont mind the strategy of fouling there, especially if you are the lesser team. If you don't foul the best case is OT. If you foul you have a shot to win.
https://kenpom.com/blog/category/strategy/
But that wasn't the case in this scenario. Wojo clearly messed up and admitted it.
If you don’t foul the best case scenario is OT? How about a live ball TO that gives us the winning basket? An offensive foul that gives us the ball out of bounds with a chance to win in regulation? A tie up that gives us possession and a chance to win? A missed shot by them followed by an over the back foul that gives us a chance to win it at the free throw line? Etc., etc.
This was no “strategy” by Wojo. He wasn’t fouling some 40% FT shooter to put him in a one and one situation. He was giving their best player (and I think their best FT shooter) 2 FTs in a tie game with 10 seconds left - and he was doing it intentionally. The guy just didn’t know the freakin’ score.
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If you don’t foul the best case scenario is OT? How about a live ball TO that gives us the winning basket? An offensive foul that gives us the ball out of bounds with a chance to win in regulation? A tie up that gives us possession and a chance to win? A missed shot by them followed by an over the back foul that gives us a chance to win it at the free throw line? Etc., etc.
This was no “strategy” by Wojo. He wasn’t fouling some 40% FT shooter to put him in a one and one situation. He was giving their best player (and I think their best FT shooter) 2 FTs in a tie game with 10 seconds left - and he was doing it intentionally. The guy just didn’t know the freakin’ score.
Oh FFS. Everyone knows Wojo didn't do this intentionally. No one things that Wojo was suddenly channeling advanced metrics. Everyone knows he forgot the score.
That being said, the math does say that fouling in a one on one situation MAY make sense especially if one team is a huge underdog and five more minutes of basketball may be considered too much. (For instance, if the underdog also has foul issues.)
But I think it just kind of goes against a coaches ethos. You stand up and play defense and one of the things you mention in the first paragraph may actually happen. Fouling there seems like you are throwing up a white flag an possibly sending the wrong message to your team. "I know we have battled to a tie for forty minutes, but I don't think you're going to be able to defend here or win in overtime."
I can see the strategy be used in certain circumstances but it would be rare IMO.
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Oh FFS. Everyone knows Wojo didn't do this intentionally. No one things that Wojo was suddenly channeling advanced metrics. Everyone knows he forgot the score.
That being said, the math does say that fouling in a one on one situation MAY make sense especially if one team is a huge underdog and five more minutes of basketball may be considered too much. (For instance, if the underdog also has foul issues.)
But I think it just kind of goes against a coaches ethos. You stand up and play defense and one of the things you mention in the first paragraph may actually happen. Fouling there seems like you are throwing up a white flag an possibly sending the wrong message to your team. "I know we have battled to a tie for forty minutes, but I don't think you're going to be able to defend here or win in overtime."
I can see the strategy be used in certain circumstances but it would be rare IMO.
So, similar to the arguments about going on 4th down vs punting and your defense needs a stop
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Oh FFS. Everyone knows Wojo didn't do this intentionally. No one things that Wojo was suddenly channeling advanced metrics. Everyone knows he forgot the score.
That being said, the math does say that fouling in a one on one situation MAY make sense especially if one team is a huge underdog and five more minutes of basketball may be considered too much. (For instance, if the underdog also has foul issues.)
But I think it just kind of goes against a coaches ethos. You stand up and play defense and one of the things you mention in the first paragraph may actually happen. Fouling there seems like you are throwing up a white flag an possibly sending the wrong message to your team. "I know we have battled to a tie for forty minutes, but I don't think you're going to be able to defend here or win in overtime."
I can see the strategy be used in certain circumstances but it would be rare IMO.
This is the bizzaro world discussion of fouling up 3.
Play defense unless there’s like 20 seconds or more left on the clock and a really, really bad FT shooter on the floor you can foul.
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This is the bizzaro world discussion of fouling up 3.
Play defense unless there’s like 20 seconds or more left on the clock and a really, really bad FT shooter on the floor you can foul.
Or just don't let one of the worst offensive teams in the Big East light you up running the same play over and over. Double teaming should have been the priority since Butler had no one else that presented much of a threat to score. The lack of in game adjustments is hilarious. Worst coach ever at MU. Wojo couldn't get an X and an O out of an Ox.
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Everyone knows Wojo didn't do this intentionally. Everyone knows he forgot the score.
Fact is he did it because he lost Situational Awareness. And that is inexcusable.
Wojo is improbably incompetent which is why no relevant college program will consider him for a head coaching job.
Good riddance.
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I did and I’m surprised you’re using that example as it explicitly says to foul a poor free throw shooter. What was Baldwin’s free throw percentage that season?
Also another question - How many coaches admit they screwed up in the post game interview after that situation? If he meant to do it, wouldn’t he come out and say it?
Also also - I have a very hard time believing the coach who ignored even the most obvious of the advanced stats would, just one time, buy into a strategy like that.
I said in two different posts that they fouled the wrong guy.
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I said in two different posts that they fouled the wrong guy.
Tactical: Wojo fouled the wrong guy
Strategic: Marquette hired the wrong guy
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Kevin Ollie has been named Head Coach and Director of Player Development for OTE, Overtime Elite Basketball.
It's a new professional basketball league for 16-18 year olds. $100k guarantee pay plus health benefits, and academic tutoring. $100k tuition reimbursement if they do mot choose professional route. Revenue sharing, name, image, likeness, NFT's,.trading cards, jerseys etc..
Dan Porter is CEO. Carmelo Anthony, Kevin Durant are among the investors.
Brandon Williams is VP Head of Basketball Operationat.
VC Firm Andreesen and Horowitz are investors.
There will be approx. 40 person staff.
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Kevin Ollie has been named Head Coach and Director of Player Development for OTE, Overtime Elite Basketball.
It's a new professional basketball league for 16-18 year olds. $100k guarantee pay plus health benefits, and academic tutoring. $100k tuition reimbursement if they do mot choose professional route. Revenue sharing, name, image, likeness, NFT's,.trading cards, jerseys etc..
Dan Porter is CEO. Carmelo Anthony, Kevin Durant are among the investors.
Brandon Williams is VP Head of Basketball Operationat.
VC Firm Andreesen and Horowitz are investors.
There will be approx. 40 person staff.
Will be interested to see if other things like this pop up
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Kevin Ollie has been named Head Coach and Director of Player Development for OTE, Overtime Elite Basketball.
It's a new professional basketball league for 16-18 year olds. $100k guarantee pay plus health benefits, and academic tutoring. $100k tuition reimbursement if they do mot choose professional route. Revenue sharing, name, image, likeness, NFT's,.trading cards, jerseys etc..
Dan Porter is CEO. Carmelo Anthony, Kevin Durant are among the investors.
Brandon Williams is VP Head of Basketball Operationat.
VC Firm Andreesen and Horowitz are investors.
There will be approx. 40 person staff.
I do not know how they honestly expect this league to be profitable that sounds like a lot of overhead cost for a league that thinks professional teens will bring viewers.
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Kevin Ollie has been named Head Coach and Director of Player Development for OTE, Overtime Elite Basketball.
It's a new professional basketball league for 16-18 year olds. $100k guarantee pay plus health benefits, and academic tutoring. $100k tuition reimbursement if they do mot choose professional route. Revenue sharing, name, image, likeness, NFT's,.trading cards, jerseys etc..
Dan Porter is CEO. Carmelo Anthony, Kevin Durant are among the investors.
Brandon Williams is VP Head of Basketball Operationat.
VC Firm Andreesen and Horowitz are investors.
There will be approx. 40 person staff.
Isn't this along the lines the Ball family dad was pushing for?
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Isn't this along the lines the Ball family dad was pushing for?
Pay, benefits, etc..organization, people behind it, etc..are much more significant here than with Ball. Whether it is a success or not, we'll see.
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Pay, benefits, etc..organization, people behind it, etc..are much more significant here than with Ball. Whether it is a success or not, we'll see.
Plus, no Ball = addition by subtraction.
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Plus, no Ball = addition by subtraction.
Playing ball with no Ball, hey?
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Justin Gainey officially named assistant coach at Tennesee.
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Jim Ferry hired at UMBC today. Not that I really thought Wojo would end up there, but just increases the likelihood (in my eyes) that he takes the year off to spend time with family, etc.
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Jim Ferry hired at UMBC today. Not that I really thought Wojo would end up there, but just increases the likelihood (in my eyes) that he takes the year off to spend time with family, etc.
Duke has an assistant opening with Smith going to Austin Peay.
Good hire but UMBC. Ferry had some excellent years at LIU-Brooklyn before an ill-fated decision to take on the Duquense job.
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Wojo should get on an NBA bench. I think it would help him understand the more analytical part of the game.
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Wojo should get on an NBA bench. I think it would help him understand the more analytical part of the game.
Would an NBA bench really want him? I can’t imagine those jobs are easy to get. It seems like most of his perceived value at the college level was as a recruiter, which he wouldn’t be doing in the pros.
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Rumors that Cincy may be hiring West Virginia assistant/former player Erik Martin.
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Rumors that Cincy may be hiring West Virginia assistant/former player Erik Martin.
they need to hire someone tied to Huggins and Martin has the experience and enthusiasm behind him.
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they need to hire someone tied to Huggins and Martin has the experience and enthusiasm behind him.
If they were going to get a Martin tied to Huggins then Kenyon was the way to go
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If they were going to get a Martin tied to Huggins then Kenyon was the way to go
First D-1 HC with lips tatted on his neck. Let’s get it
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First D-1 HC with lips tatted on his neck. Let’s get it
God help us if they play the Badgers
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Stan Heath to Eastern Michigan. Alum.
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First D-1 HC with lips tatted on his neck. Let’s get it
Jerome Allen, former (and disgraced) coach of Penn had a neck tattoo (something in script, probably a name) and Penn made him wear shirts with extra high collars to cover it during tames.
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Jerome Allen, former (and disgraced) coach of Penn had a neck tattoo (something in script, probably a name) and Penn made him wear shirts with extra high collars to cover it during tames.
Anyone ever catch how one of Huggin's players was wearing an ankle bracelet this year?
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Stan Heath to Eastern Michigan. Alum.
Dwayne Stephens must not have good interview skills. He has applied to every job out there, Izzo has been promoting him and he still has not gotten a Head Coaching position.
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Stan Heath to Eastern Michigan. Alum.
Good news for us
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Anyone ever catch how one of Huggin's players was wearing an ankle bracelet this year?
pics?
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Wojo should get on an NBA bench. I think it would help him understand the more analytical part of the game.
Sitting in a Quantum Physics class doesn't equate to understanding the material.
Wojo sat next to one of the game's masters for almost two decades. From seven years of hard empiricism one can reasonably conclude the man learned very little.
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Sitting in a Quantum Physics class doesn't equate to understanding the material.
Wojo sat next to one of the game's masters for almost two decades. From seven years of hard empiricism one can reasonably conclude the man learned very little.
But I am not sure Coach K is one of the "game's masters" right now. He is relying more on the talent he recruits than how he coaches them. If reports are accurate that Wojo didn't use analytics much, he learned that from somewhere right? And I am not saying you should be absolutely beholden to numbers, but they should definitely help drive your decision making. I get the impression that K is kinda doing the same things he's been doing for 25 years.
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Sitting in a Quantum Physics class doesn't equate to understanding the material.
Wojo sat next to one of the game's masters for almost two decades. From seven years of hard empiricism one can reasonably conclude the man learned very little.
Is K still a game master or simply winning with the most talented players that line up to go to Duke?
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Beat me to it FBM.
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And I will also say, the worse thing that Wojo could do is go back to Duke. That's not going to help him. Sitting on an NBA bench, or on the bench of a college coach that thinks differently than K, would be the best thing for him.
And I hope he gets another chance and succeeds. I have no reason to hate the guy or wish him ill-will.
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Agreed, FBM.
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And I will also say, the worse thing that Wojo could do is go back to Duke. That's not going to help him. Sitting on an NBA bench, or on the bench of a college coach that thinks differently than K, would be the best thing for him.
And I hope he gets another chance and succeeds. I have no reason to hate the guy or wish him ill-will.
it worked for Jeff Capel so maybe it will work for Wojo (if he goes back).
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it worked for Jeff Capel so maybe it will work for Wojo (if he goes back).
However, Jeff Capel was never a Duke assistant until after he got binned at Oklahoma
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But I am not sure Coach K is one of the "game's masters" right now. He is relying more on the talent he recruits than how he coaches them. If reports are accurate that Wojo didn't use analytics much, he learned that from somewhere right? And I am not saying you should be absolutely beholden to numbers, but they should definitely help drive your decision making. I get the impression that K is kinda doing the same things he's been doing for 25 years.
Agree that K is Old School. Not a quant guy at all.
An important point is that while it is essential to measure it is far more important to know what to measure and how to interpret the results.
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However, Jeff Capel was never a Duke assistant until after he got binned at Oklahoma
Capel did play at Duke though.
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Is K still a game master or simply winning with the most talented players that line up to go to Duke?
He is certainly one of the All Time Greats. I can't speak to his relevance.
One of the saddest sights ever was watching Mickey Mantle try to play first base while hitting .230. Dignity goeth before the Fall.
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However, Jeff Capel was never a Duke assistant until after he got binned at Oklahoma
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I think "Sh1tcanned at Oklahoma" is more accurate
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Its not whether or not you fall that matters. Rather, its how you get up, aina?
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He is certainly one of the All Time Greats. I can't speak to his relevance.
One of the saddest sights ever was watching Mickey Mantle try to play first base while hitting .230. Dignity goeth before the Fall.
I actually feel sorry for Coach K who's still coaching at 74 and Boeheim coaching at 76. (Though I suspect Boeheim will retire after his son is done.)
I would just hope at some point I could find something else to do.
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I actually feel sorry for Coach K who's still coaching at 74 and Boeheim coaching at 76. (Though I suspect Boeheim will retire after his son is done.)
I would just hope at some point I could find something else to do.
Funny, I think the opposite. I can only wish I loved my job enough that I wanted to keep doing it when I reached my mid 70s.
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He is certainly one of the All Time Greats. I can't speak to his relevance.
One of the saddest sights ever was watching Mickey Mantle try to play first base while hitting .230. Dignity goeth before the Fall.
Yes, it is time for Cranky K to retire. He has nothing to prove, except that he can still haul ion 10 million plus each year at 75, p
or whatever his age is.
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Funny, I think the opposite. I can only wish I loved my job enough that I wanted to keep doing it when I reached my mid 70s.
I would rather not love my job that much. I would hope I could find joy in not working.
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Joe Golding to UTEP. That's maybe the most wild coaching move of the cycle because he essentially created that opening.
Golding & Abilene Christian beat Texas in the NCAA Tournament. That made Shaka available for Marquette, which created an opening at Texas. Chris Beard filled that and hired Rodney Terry as an assistant, which created an opening at UTEP. Now Golding takes the UTEP job, filling the opening that he indirectly created.
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I have no knowledge of Abeline, TX, but could El Paso possibly be an improvement for quality of life?
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I have no knowledge of Abeline, TX, but could El Paso possibly be an improvement for quality of life?
I couldn't find Golding's contract, but looking around the Southland, most of their coaches are under $250,000 in salary. As low as $95,000 and as high as $375,000 for Stephen F Austin. Rodney Terry at UTEP was making $725,000, so Golding likely got a big raise, probably more than tripling his salary. Guessing that will improve his quality of life.
https://www.midmajormadness.com/2019/11/4/20946421/ncaa-basketball-head-coach-contract-salary-database-mid-major-2019-20
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I couldn't find Golding's contract, but looking around the Southland, most of their coaches are under $250,000 in salary. As low as $95,000 and as high as $375,000 for Stephen F Austin. Rodney Terry at UTEP was making $725,000, so Golding likely got a big raise, probably more than tripling his salary. Guessing that will improve his quality of life.
https://www.midmajormadness.com/2019/11/4/20946421/ncaa-basketball-head-coach-contract-salary-database-mid-major-2019-20
Otoh, Abilene is a much better place to live than El Paso. But, $$$$ do speak volumes.
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Otoh, Abilene is a much better place to live than El Paso. But, $$$$ do speak volumes.
Much better? Based on?
El Paso isn’t a cosmopolitan dream but it’s a sizable city with thriving Hispanic influenced culture and tons of history and a notable arts scene. It’s also close to Las Cruces and a lot of cool nature related stuff in New Mexico.
Abilene is in the middle of nowhere and basically revolves around the university and the Air Force base/military related stuff. And you’re talking more than 2.5 hours to anything of note in Dallas. Also an airport with no direct flights anywhere
And contrary to popular belief, despite the proximity to Ciudad Juarez, El Paso is shockingly safe and crime limited. My old roommate worked on a consulting project there for almost a year and while he wasn’t clamoring to move there, he came away very pleasantly surprised by how much he liked it.
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Much better? Based on?
El Paso isn’t a cosmopolitan dream but it’s a sizable city with thriving Hispanic influenced culture and tons of history and a notable arts scene. It’s also close to Las Cruces and a lot of cool nature related stuff in New Mexico.
Abilene is in the middle of nowhere and basically revolves around the university and the Air Force base/military related stuff. And you’re talking more than 2.5 hours to anything of note in Dallas. Also an airport with no direct flights anywhere
And contrary to popular belief, despite the proximity to Ciudad Juarez, El Paso is shockingly safe and crime limited. My old roommate worked on a consulting project there for almost a year and while he wasn’t clamoring to move there, he came away very pleasantly surprised by how much he liked it.
Ive had others tell me quite the opposite. Whatever
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One of the saddest sights ever was watching Mickey Mantle try to play first base while hitting .230.
Batting .230, striking out a ton, hitting the occasional long homer. You know what you call that guy today?
A $20 million-per-year ballplayer!
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Ive had others tell me quite the opposite. Whatever
To each their own, El Paso certainly isn’t a shining city on the hill, but I’ve never heard anyone rave or speaking highly of fricken Abilene.
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I have no knowledge of Abeline, TX, but could El Paso possibly be an improvement for quality of life?
2000%
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Otoh, Abilene is a much better place to live than El Paso. But, $$$$ do speak volumes.
Spoken like a man who has never been to Abilene. Chuckie Cheese is considered fine dining there
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Arguing about whether Abilene or El Paso is a better place to live?
God, I love Scoop!
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One person who has no love for anything having to do with Abilene is Marquette's new coach.
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Spoken like a man who has never been to Abilene. Chuckie Cheese is considered fine dining there
Yeah I’ve been there once. Crap hole.
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Bob Weir tells a good tale of El Paso. Especially Rose’s Cantina
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Batting .230, striking out a ton, hitting the occasional long homer. You know what you call that guy today?
Rob Deer?
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Gonzaga assistant, Tommy Lloyd, expected to be named U of Arizona Head Coach. (Goodman, who is an alum)
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Nvm
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Gonzaga assistant, Tommy Lloyd, expected to be named U of Arizona Head Coach. (Goodman, who is an alum)
good hire. He's the guy who established Gonzaga's international pipeline.
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Wes Miller to Cincinnati according to various reports. Will be watching this one. Think he’s a very good coach and success at Cincinnati will open a lot of doors for him
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To each their own, El Paso certainly isn’t a shining city on the hill, but I’ve never heard anyone rave or speaking highly of fricken Abilene.
I have spent time in Abilene, home of Dyess AFB and the 7th Bomb Wing.
Nothing there. Well, Betty Rose BBQ is damn good stuff but that's it.
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Wes Miller to Cincinnati according to various reports. Will be watching this one. Think he’s a very good coach and success at Cincinnati will open a lot of doors for him
That’s a REALLY nice hire for them. Makes sense that he waiting for the UNC job to open and go elsewhere before making a move. Great chance for him to do well and get an ACC job (which I imagine is his goal).
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I'll be honest, I don't think Miller is a great coach. Think Cincy will regret that hire. May end up eating those words.
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I'll be honest, I don't think Miller is a great coach. Think Cincy will regret that hire. May end up eating those words.
Based on what, if I may?
UNCG is kind of a rough gig. When he took over, 1 conference title in 15 years in the SoCon, and coincidentally that was the only time they had won 20 games in a season in that 15 year period. They were only over .500 twice in the previous 10 years, and that included the end of the Fran McCaffrey years.
Miller took over nothing good from the previous HC. He won his division once his first year, which was fairly impressive. Then after rebuilding for a few years, the last 5 years he won the SoCon 3 times and finished 2nd and 3rd, averaging 25ish wins a year and 14 a year in conference. And that’s overlapping the Steve Forbes run at ETSU, Medved/Richey at Furman, and the tail end of Mike Young’s run at Wofford.
He might not be a great coach, but that to me is a very good one at a school without much pedigree. I think the AAC is a good step up.
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Long Ben Johnson interview in The Athletic. Pretty much coach-speak, right down to saying the most important thing is "family."
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"Long Ben Johnson" is a wonderful name
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"Long Ben Johnson" is a wonderful name
I literally laughed out loud.
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Long Ben Johnson interview in The Athletic. Pretty much coach-speak, right down to saying the most important thing is "family."
Are they planning to Win Every Day?
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Based on what, if I may?
UNCG is kind of a rough gig. When he took over, 1 conference title in 15 years in the SoCon, and coincidentally that was the only time they had won 20 games in a season in that 15 year period. They were only over .500 twice in the previous 10 years, and that included the end of the Fran McCaffrey years.
Miller took over nothing good from the previous HC. He won his division once his first year, which was fairly impressive. Then after rebuilding for a few years, the last 5 years he won the SoCon 3 times and finished 2nd and 3rd, averaging 25ish wins a year and 14 a year in conference. And that’s overlapping the Steve Forbes run at ETSU, Medved/Richey at Furman, and the tail end of Mike Young’s run at Wofford.
He might not be a great coach, but that to me is a very good one at a school without much pedigree. I think the AAC is a good step up.
UNCG might be a nice landing spot for Wojo
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Based on what, if I may?
He's recruited well for UNCG standards but has never really made teams more than the sum of their parts. His teams tend to play worse as the season goes on. I don't think he's a bad coach, but my suspicion is that UNGC is the level where he will have the most success.
I will give him credit though, he did evolve about halfway through his tenure at UNCG. His first five teams were all over the place, no clear system, just rolling the ball out there and hoping it worked out. Starting in 2017, he established a clear system that valued turnovers (on both sides of the ball) and rebounding (on both sides of the ball) and that has led to his recent 5 year run at the top of the SoCon. Ability to learn and evolve as a coach is an important skill.
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Ability to learn and evolve as a coach is an important skill.
Preach, brother TAMU, preach.
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He's recruited well for UNCG standards but has never really made teams more than the sum of their parts. His teams tend to play worse as the season goes on. I don't think he's a bad coach, but my suspicion is that UNGC is the level where he will have the most success.
I will give him credit though, he did evolve about halfway through his tenure at UNCG. His first five teams were all over the place, no clear system, just rolling the ball out there and hoping it worked out. Starting in 2017, he established a clear system that valued turnovers (on both sides of the ball) and rebounding (on both sides of the ball) and that has led to his recent 5 year run at the top of the SoCon. Ability to learn and evolve as a coach is an important skill.
Totally fair. I mean, part of my favorable opinion of him is the fact that he's still only 38 after a decade at UNCG. And the brief time he had as an assistant was under a mediocre coach at Elon, a pretty mediocre coach early in his HC tenure at High Point, and then Mike Dement who was on the downside of his career. So it was really learning on the fly and his last 5 years have been really impressive. If he recruits well to Cincy, which is very possible, it could be interesting.
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good hire. He's the guy who established Gonzaga's international pipeline.
Funny - it basically the same hire as wojo for us and it’s viewed as a home run. Actually you could argue wojo was the better hire at the time given Gonzaga’s weaker conference, that they haven’t won a title like Duke, wojos team USA experience and high level playing experience .....anywho
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Stan Heath to Eastern Michigan. Alum.
Good news for us
After EMU there were no More roadblocks in the way to us hiring Haynes. Deal got done pretty quickly after that. I don't think we will have him for very long, he'll get a seat in a big chair soon, but I think we'll enjoy him while he's here. He'll be able to Sell Shaka's vision.
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Good news for us
After EMU there were no More roadblocks in the way to us hiring Haynes. Deal got done pretty quickly after that. I don't think we will have him for very long, he'll get a seat in a big chair soon, but I think we'll enjoy him while he's here. He'll be able to Sell Shaka's vision.
I see what you did there and hope it's true...
Haynes definitely seems to have a Dennis Gates style trajectory and I would be shocked if he's here longer than 2-3 years. Great hire, will be sure to appreciate him while he's here
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Funny - it basically the same hire as wojo for us and it’s viewed as a home run. Actually you could argue wojo was the better hire at the time given Gonzaga’s weaker conference, that they haven’t won a title like Duke, wojos team USA experience and high level playing experience .....anywho
unlike Duke and Wojo, Lloyd was a part of building GU into a power, as well as recruiting and developing talent. He's the reason GU started getting international guys like Turiauf, Sabonis, Hachimura, Olynik, Tillie, etc. Duke and Wojo got to choose players, GU still has to recruit, sell them on Spokane, and develop many of them. Advantage Lloyd.
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unlike Duke and Wojo, Lloyd was a part of building GU into a power, as well as recruiting and developing talent. He's the reason GU started getting international guys like Turiauf, Sabonis, Hachimura, Olynik, Tillie, etc. Duke and Wojo got to choose players, GU still has to recruit, sell them on in spite of Spokane, and develop many of them. Advantage Lloyd.
FIFY
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FIFY
hey, he does have to sell them "on" Spokane...why they'd want to go spend four years in a crappy town with humid summers and winters like one would experience on the Planet Hoth
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Bob Weir tells a good tale of El Paso. Especially Rose’s Cantina
Roses Cantina. A bar that is integral to Marty Robbins huge hit El Paso. Where Marty dies trying to get back to Colina dancing at Roses Cantina.
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In The Athletic, Dana O'Neil answers readers' questions about the trends of this season's coaching carousel, dealing specifically with how it might affect the search for K's eventual replacement; and she also gives thoughts about Shaka ...
What does the UNC search say about the appeal of coaching at the top tier of programs, and what, if anything, does that foreshadow about Duke’s eventual search to replace Coach K? — Zach A.
Really interesting question. Not too long ago North Carolina and Indiana both would have had their pick of who to hire, both jobs among the rarefied blue bloods that people would crawl to. Things are different. Everyone is paying good money, building posh facilities, getting top players and winning games — and without the added pressure of blue-blood expectations.
The people that normally would be at the front of the line for those jobs — Jay Wright, Mark Few — have made it very clear that they aren’t budging and frankly, it seems as if their contentment is creating a new normal among other coaches. You don’t have to leave to get what you want, so why bother?
Duke certainly will be an interesting test when it eventually comes open. If you stay in the family, the once-obvious choices — Chris Collins, Steve Wojciechowski and Jeff Capel — aren’t so obvious anymore. Jon Scheyer hasn’t been a head coach yet. Maybe Bobby Hurley becomes an option, depending on how things go at Arizona State. Or maybe the Blue Devils are blessed with fortuitous timing and Brad Stevens and/or Billy Donovan are ready for a return to the college game.
But it will be interesting when it happens, because the need to ladder climb has chilled considerably.
Shaka Smart to Marquette. Thoughts? — Brigid S.
I like it, for both parties. Smart was wise to get out of Texas when he did, and Marquette was smart to bring him home. It’s about more than just local ties — though I like that Smart already is scouring the Milwaukee area for recruits and making inroads at home.
Say what you want about his tenure at Texas, but he’s been to eight of the last 10 NCAA Tournaments. And he’s only 43. His style of play works, and I think it will work especially well in the Big East. It is not nearly as arduous a climb to rise in that league as it is in the Big 12. He inherits a passionate fan base who will jump on board with two feet, especially after their frustration with the Wojo Reign, and he can concentrate on the caliber of recruit that suits him, instead of worrying about winning pointless and arbitrary class ranking wars.
I give Smart a lot of credit for getting out while the getting was good at Texas, and finding a landing spot where he can be instantaneously successful.
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Great read by Dana on Marquette, and not just because I like what she's saying. You can feel the change of attitude, and that was true even before this week.
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Great read by Dana on Marquette, and not just because I like what she's saying. You can feel the change of attitude, and that was true even before this week.
I especially like her line about “pointless and arbitrary class ranking wars.”
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I especially like her line about “pointless and arbitrary class ranking wars.”
Was that Wojo's strategy? I mean the "instead" would imply that it's what was happening right?
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I especially like her line about “pointless and arbitrary class ranking wars.”
Yep. If he gets good kids who fit his system, work hard, improve, and stick around, I think he can do very well. And I won't care what their composite ranking was...
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I took the class ranking comment as a shot at Texas...like Shaka had to worry about signing all 5 star talent and that MU he can just recruit the players he wants without everyone, but a few on scoop, counting stars next to a recruits name.
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I took the class ranking comment as a shot at Texas...like Shaka had to worry about signing all 5 star talent and that MU he can just recruit the players he wants without everyone, but a few on scoop, counting stars next to a recruits name.
At football schools, fans take national signing day off for gridiron recruits. It's a beauty pageant.
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I took the class ranking comment as a shot at Texas...like Shaka had to worry about signing all 5 star talent and that MU he can just recruit the players he wants without everyone, but a few on scoop, counting stars next to a recruits name.
Yep. Whether that’s true or not who knows, but that seems to be a common narrative.
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I don’t think you could summarize Shaka to Marquette better than Dana did. She has a perfect read on the situation.
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Was that Wojo's strategy? I mean the "instead" would imply that it's what was happening right?
Perhaps.
But wojonolongermatta
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Recruiting analyst Brian Snow is joining Micah Shrewsbury’s staff at Penn St. as Director of Recruiting.
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At football schools, fans take national signing day off for gridiron recruits. It's a beauty pageant.
That's because Alabama grads can just call in to McDonald's to get out of working their shift that day...
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Recruiting analyst Brian Snow is joining Micah Shrewsbury’s staff at Penn St. as Director of Recruiting.
Never thought I'd be jealous of Penn State, but this feels like an incredibly savvy hire. Snow won't be recruiting himself, but likely knows who to call and who the best contacts are all across the country. He'll be able to speed up the process when it comes to getting close to any recruit out there.
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Never thought I'd be jealous of Penn State, but this feels like an incredibly savvy hire. Snow won't be recruiting himself, but likely knows who to call and who the best contacts are all across the country. He'll be able to speed up the process when it comes to getting close to any recruit out there.
Interesting hire.
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Never thought I'd be jealous of Penn State, but this feels like an incredibly savvy hire. Snow won't be recruiting himself, but likely knows who to call and who the best contacts are all across the country. He'll be able to speed up the process when it comes to getting close to any recruit out there.
Like Dave Kaplan at NIU back in the day.
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In his college basketball "mailbag" article, Eamonn Brennan answered a question about who his favorite coaching hires were this offseason. (The questioner was a Penn State fan who thought his school did well hiring Micah Shrewsberry.)
I also love the Shrewsberry hire. Beard to Texas, for me, is the real winner here; the Longhorns had one guy they wanted to get, one guy who made perfect sense, and they went out, put the money together and made the big-boy hire. (Indiana tried to do the same thing with Brad Stevens; it just didn’t work out. It’s the right strategy at that level of the game.) One expects the Longhorns to be really good, really quickly. Also, Wes Miller at Cincinnati. When you can emerge from an ugly spring by snagging a guy a lot of people thought was going to succeed Roy Williams at UNC, you’ve done pretty well for yourself as a program.
No mention of Marquette in the entire mailbag. The previous one, IIRC, did talk about MU and Shaka.
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In his college basketball "mailbag" article, Eamonn Brennan answered a question about who his favorite coaching hires were this offseason. (The questioner was a Penn State fan who thought his school did well hiring Micah Shrewsberry.)
I also love the Shrewsberry hire. Beard to Texas, for me, is the real winner here; the Longhorns had one guy they wanted to get, one guy who made perfect sense, and they went out, put the money together and made the big-boy hire. (Indiana tried to do the same thing with Brad Stevens; it just didn’t work out. It’s the right strategy at that level of the game.) One expects the Longhorns to be really good, really quickly. Also, Wes Miller at Cincinnati. When you can emerge from an ugly spring by snagging a guy a lot of people thought was going to succeed Roy Williams at UNC, you’ve done pretty well for yourself as a program.
No mention of Marquette in the entire mailbag. The previous one, IIRC, did talk about MU and Shaka.
The questioner mentioned Shrewsbury so it make sense Shrewsbury is mentioned. Next the person answering (Brennan) focuses his answers on coaches who have had high levels of success.
Beard, was an NCAA Runner up in 2019 and Elite 8 2018.
Stevens is an NBA coach of a higher profile NBA team. And he had back to back NCAA Runner Ups a decade ago prior.
It isn't all that surprising Smart wasn't mentioned in the answer. It may not have even been intentional. Much reaction I have seen has been indifferent to lukewarm positive. Not extreme great or bad. It's an unknown. He wasn't successful enough at Texas. So, it's been a while for him to have a profile as high as these other coaches mentioned. Perhaps if the questioner asked specifically about Marquette as he did Penn St. there would have been a more specific MUBB reference and perhaps positive. We don't know.
Wes Miller was likely mentioned because of the recent UNC opening which is a higher profile place.
Had Smart been more recently successful at Texas, and jumped to Marquette, he perhaps would have been more likely to have been mentioned. (it's not surprising that neither Smart nor MUBB are at the tip of some people's tounges lately.)
The general feedback I have seen and received, is, "Interesting hire perhaps a change of scenery could work for Smart and therefore Marquette." He hasn't won an NCAA Tourney game since 2013. I believe Smart has a chance to be successful at MUBB (no guarantee) but it isn't surprising that some people out there don't have his name (or Marquette) on the tip of their tounge right now. That will change as Marquette and Smart have success at MUBB winning games.
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And really, it doesn't matter anymore what the pundits say. If he wins, it was a great hire. If he doesn't, it wasn't.
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The questioner mentioned Shrewsbury so it make sense Shrewsbury is mentioned. Next the person answering (Brennan) focuses his answers on coaches who have had high levels of success.
Beard, was an NCAA Runner up in 2019 and Elite 8 2018.
Stevens is an NBA coach of a higher profile NBA team. And he had back to back NCAA Runner Ups a decade ago prior.
It isn't all that surprising Smart wasn't mentioned in the answer. It may not have even been intentional. Much reaction I have seen has been indifferent to lukewarm positive. Not extreme great or bad. It's an unknown. He wasn't successful enough at Texas. So, it's been a while for him to have a profile as high as these other coaches mentioned. Perhaps if the questioner asked specifically about Marquette as he did Penn St. there would have been a more specific MUBB reference and perhaps positive. We don't know.
Wes Miller was likely mentioned because of the recent UNC opening which is a higher profile place.
Had Smart been more recently successful at Texas, and jumped to Marquette, he perhaps would have been more likely to have been mentioned. (it's not surprising that neither Smart nor MUBB are at the tip of some people's tounges lately.)
The general feedback I have seen and received, is, "Interesting hire perhaps a change of scenery could work for Smart and therefore Marquette." He hasn't won an NCAA Tourney game since 2013. I believe Smart has a chance to be successful at MUBB (no guarantee) but it isn't surprising that some people out there don't have his name (or Marquette) on the tip of their tounge right now. That will change as Marquette and Smart have success at MUBB winning games.
Agree with all this. Beard was just hired, and he had great success where he was. He's the recent name folks are talking about. And, as I said, Shaka was mentioned prominently the last time they did one of these because HE was the recent hire.
I actually have heard almost all plaudits for the Shaka hire among national pundits. Most think Marquette did very, very well here.
And, of course, THIS:
And really, it doesn't matter anymore what the pundits say. If he wins, it was a great hire. If he doesn't, it wasn't.
I know it doesn't "matter," Sultan. I saw the article and thought some Scoopers might be interested, so I took 2 minutes to post it for those who were.
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ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski, probably the best basketball reporter in America, says Brad Stevens turned down a 7-year, $70 million contract from Indiana.
And I don't blame Stevens one bit.
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ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski, probably the best basketball reporter in America, says Brad Stevens turned down a 7-year, $70 million contract from Indiana.
And I don't blame Stevens one bit.
Wow. Easy to see how they could afford Archie’s buyout.
Short of getting fired and blackballed from an NBA head job, I’m guessing Stevens in the NCAA is pretty well closed.
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ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski, probably the best basketball reporter in America, says Brad Stevens turned down a 7-year, $70 million contract from Indiana.
And I don't blame Stevens one bit.
Dat's generational bread. I don't care how much Stevens hates recruitin'. If that's true, throw him inta da idiot kategory two, hey?
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Dat's generational bread. I don't care how much Stevens hates recruitin'. If that's true, throw him inta da idiot kategory two, hey?
According to the article, his current salary is $6M - $7M/year. He's already earned generational money.
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Dat's generational bread. I don't care how much Stevens hates recruitin'. If that's true, throw him inta da idiot kategory two, hey?
He already has generational wealth - Wojnarowski says Stevens already is in the $6-7M range. And he will get richer. If he left the Celtics after this year, he'd probably command at least $7.5M a year in the NBA. And he wouldn't have to try to chase Bobby Knight's ghost or deal with teenagers' mommies.
That contract offer wasn't about whether or not Stevens is an "idiot" - he obviously isn't. It was about the level of desperation in Bloomington.
Stevens has absolutely no reason to go back to college, ever, unless he decides he actually liked it more. And why would he decide that?
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Dat's generational bread. I don't care how much Stevens hates recruitin'. If that's true, throw him inta da idiot kategory two, hey?
Will make $12m per when K retires.
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ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski, probably the best basketball reporter in America, says Brad Stevens turned down a 7-year, $70 million contract from Indiana.
And I don't blame Stevens one bit.
Stevens says Indiana never made him an offer, fwiw.
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He already has generational wealth - Wojnarowski says Stevens already is in the $6-7M range. And he will get richer. If he left the Celtics after this year, he'd probably command at least $7.5M a year in the NBA. And he wouldn't have to try to chase Bobby Knight's ghost or deal with teenagers' mommies.
That contract offer wasn't about whether or not Stevens is an "idiot" - he obviously isn't. It was about the level of desperation in Bloomington.
Stevens has absolutely no reason to go back to college, ever, unless he decides he actually liked it more. And why would he decide that?
Dealing with recruiting, college kids in general, unreasonable fan bases and alumni? Hard pass
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Stevens says Indiana never made him an offer, fwiw.
I believe Wojnarowski's source told him what he says the source did.
If I had to guess, it would be that no official from Indiana University ever presented Stevens a contract offer and said, "Sign this and you'll get 70 mil over the next 7 years," but that connected folks told Stevens' people the contract was there if he wanted to accept it. Ipso fatso, Stevens isn't lying when he says Indiana never made him an offer.
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Will make $12m per when K retires.
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Stevens could get chit canned tomorrow. I dunno, $70 mil guaranteed is knot bad ta put up wit sum 18 yo pimple faces, hey?
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Stevens could get chit canned tomorrow.
He could.
And he'd have another NBA gig lined up within a few weeks.
NBA coaches get recycled more than beer bottles in Michigan, especially ones with even a little success (See, D'Antoni, Mike).
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Illinois and Kentucky making counter offers for Antigua that will make him the highest paid assistant in the country regardless of where he ends up.
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I believe Wojnarowski's source told him what he says the source did.
If I had to guess, it would be that no official from Indiana University ever presented Stevens a contract offer and said, "Sign this and you'll get 70 mil over the next 7 years," but that connected folks told Stevens' people the contract was there if he wanted to accept it. Ipso fatso, Stevens isn't lying when he says Indiana never made him an offer.
it's similar to Illinois and Crean. A proposal and "offer" without it being an official offer.
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I believe Wojnarowski's source told him what he says the source did.
If I had to guess, it would be that no official from Indiana University ever presented Stevens a contract offer and said, "Sign this and you'll get 70 mil over the next 7 years," but that connected folks told Stevens' people the contract was there if he wanted to accept it. Ipso fatso, Stevens isn't lying when he says Indiana never made him an offer.
Meh. Stevens really has no reason to lie or play coy. If anything, getting people to believe that number helps set the market for his next contract, wherever that may be.
Not suggesting Wojo is making it up, either. But maybe there's some InstitUtion out there may really want the world (or certain donors) to believe that it made every effort it could to get the guy before falling back on Plan B.
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Meh. Stevens really has no reason to lie or play coy. If anything, getting people to believe that number helps set the market for his next contract, wherever that may be.
Not suggesting Wojo is making it up, either. But maybe there's some InstitUtion out there may really want the world (or certain donors) to believe that it made every effort it could to get the guy before falling back on Plan B.
I truly think Stevens has ZERO interest on going back to college coaching. He was a non factor for 2 blue blood jobs in a season in Boston that is down (by his standards) and people are getting a bit restless, depending who you ask. And one of those jobs was the holy grail that everyone claimed he was waiting on.
I don’t even think he had to play coy, by just deading it the way he did, hopefully people will stop bringing it up or asking. He’s 44, even if Boston doesn’t work out he’ll have no shortage of NBA opportunities after, stop talking about college.
I bet it was IU reaching out to his people, them saying he wasn’t interested, IU saying “not even for 7 years, $70MM?!”. Stevens people still saying no. IU can claim to offer 7/70 and Stevens said he never got that offer. Neither is lying or playing coy and both have what suits them
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Stevens could get chit canned tomorrow. I dunno, $70 mil guaranteed is knot bad ta put up wit sum 18 yo pimple faces, hey?
And would have another NBA job lined up next week.
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I bet it was IU reaching out to his people, them saying he wasn’t interested, IU saying “not even for 7 years, $70MM?!”. Stevens people still saying no. IU can claim to offer 7/70 and Stevens said he never got that offer. Neither is lying or playing coy and both have what suits them
That sounds about right.
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And would have another NBA job lined up next week.
Stevens, Billy Donovan, and Quinn Snyder love having a job in which they do not have the spend all summer recruiting and kissing up to 17 year olds. And now, with what is basically free agency, not having the re-recruit their entire teams every year.
And no doubt Stevens would have another job immediately. He'll go to Indiana...just not the Hoosiers.
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Stevens, Billy Donovan, and Quinn Snyder love having a job in which they do not have the spend all summer recruiting and kissing up to 17 year olds. And now, with what is basically free agency, not having the re-recruit their entire teams every year.
Excellent point.
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Illinois and Kentucky making counter offers for Antigua that will make him the highest paid assistant in the country regardless of where he ends up.
Fascinating. I get that he's a big time recruiter, but there are plenty of coaches who can recruit at his level. I don't get why he's worth$1,000,000/year.
Illinois should let him walk the poach just about any other assistant for half the price.
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Fascinating. I get that he's a big time recruiter, but there are plenty of coaches who can recruit at his level. I don't get why he's worth$1,000,000/year.
Illinois should let him walk the poach just about any other assistant for half the price.
One of the worst takes in the history of MUScoop.
No, there's not plenty of coaches who can recruit at his level. Antigua was a huge factor in Calipari getting to the Final Four multiple times at Kentucky -in 2011, 2012, 2014 and 2015. Cal doesn't get there without him, and really hasn't ever since Antigua left (unless you count 2015 but how much did Anitgua have to do with that class?). Illinois doesn't have the success they had without Antigua either as he recruited Kofi Cockburn and Giorgi Bezhanishvili. Antigua is elite and recruits players that put you in the National Championship conversation. He's literally the Godfather of East Coast Basketball connections and is the head coach of the Dominican Republic team. That is why he's going to make 7 figures. If MU had him, we'd be a legit Final Four contender in the next few years.
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One of the worst takes in the history of MUScoop.
No, there's not plenty of coaches who can recruit at his level. Antigua was a huge factor in Calipari getting to the Final Four multiple times at Kentucky -in 2011, 2012, 2014 and 2015. Cal doesn't get there without him, and really hasn't ever since Antigua left (unless you count 2015 but how much did Anitgua have to do with that class?). Illinois doesn't have the success they had without Antigua either as he recruited Kofi Cockburn and Giorgi Bezhanishvili. Antigua is elite and recruits players that put you in the National Championship conversation. He's literally the Godfather of East Coast Basketball connections and is the head coach of the Dominican Republic team. That is why he's going to make 7 figures. If MU had him, we'd be a legit Final Four contender in the next few years.
Spot on. He’s a legit difference maker as a recruiter. He did good work at Pitt, too, before joining Calipari. He bombed out at South Florida as head coach but I could see him at Pitt someday
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One of the worst takes in the history of MUScoop.
No, there's not plenty of coaches who can recruit at his level. Antigua was a huge factor in Calipari getting to the Final Four multiple times at Kentucky -in 2011, 2012, 2014 and 2015. Cal doesn't get there without him, and really hasn't ever since Antigua left (unless you count 2015 but how much did Anitgua have to do with that class?). Illinois doesn't have the success they had without Antigua either as he recruited Kofi Cockburn and Giorgi Bezhanishvili. Antigua is elite and recruits players that put you in the National Championship conversation. He's literally the Godfather of East Coast Basketball connections and is the head coach of the Dominican Republic team. That is why he's going to make 7 figures. If MU had him, we'd be a legit Final Four contender in the next few years.
A bit harsh considering some of the takes I've seen on here.
An assistant coach that makes $500,000 a year is in the 99%ile of assistant coach salaries. There is no way Antigua is worth 2x that much, especially considering how bad he was as a head coach. Recruiting is important, but plenty of schools recruit well without paying assistants that much.
How many of the assistants in the final four made more than $500k? Gonzaga and Baylor are private, so we can't see assistant coach salaries unless they make enough to show up on the 1099. Maybe Tommy Lloyd and Jerome Tang make that much, but not $1m. No assistants at UCLA make that much. Not sure about Houston but I doubt it. Those schools all recruit just fine.
If UK wants to pay $1,000,000 for Antigua, that's their choice. They did it for kenny payne, they can afford it. I don't see how illinois can justify it. They should spend that money on 2 other A+ assistants. Or get creative with the rules like Texas and hire a defacto 4th assistant like Chris Ogden.
If Marquette paid that much for Antigua (I know they aren't) I would question the decision making big time.
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Didn't we pay some astronomical (for us, and for the time) sum for Chew?
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Didn't we pay some astronomical (for us, and for the time) sum for Chew?
I want to say it was in the 350-400 range. And consider that was almost a decade ago, too.
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Didn't we pay some astronomical (for us, and for the time) sum for Chew?
I totally forgot about Isaac Chew. He fell of the face of the planet.
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I want to say it was in the 350-400 range. And consider that was almost a decade ago, too.
How would you possibly know this, except through unsubstantiated rumor mills at the time?
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I totally forgot about Isaac Chew. He fell of the face of the planet.
At Grand Canyon now with Bryce Drew.
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Speaking of former MUBB assistants, Aki Collins was hired as an assistant at Penn St. earlier this month.
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How would you possibly know this, except through unsubstantiated rumor mills at the time?
I must’ve exaggerated it in my memory. The 2013 990 lists him at $319k. Still a lot for an assistant.
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I must’ve exaggerated it in my memory. The 2013 990 lists him at $319k. Still a lot for an assistant.
My apologies to you. And your memory of the figure was right in the ballpark too.
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At Grand Canyon now with Bryce Drew.
Chew and Drew? Phew! Who knew?
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Nothin's nu, boychik, hey?
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Overtime Elite gets its first recruits......2 of the top juniors in the country. The minimum price to get top players to come to a university has just been established. A new era of amateur basketball is upon us. What do you think happens now?
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31482947/matt-ryan-bewley-first-high-school-juniors-join-elite-league-sources-say (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31482947/matt-ryan-bewley-first-high-school-juniors-join-elite-league-sources-say)
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Gonzaga is hiring Illinois assistant Stephen Gentry, as an assistant coach.
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Ohio State To Reportedly Hire Seton Hall Assistant Basketball Coach Tony Skinn
Skinn will replace Terry Johnson on head coach Chris Holtmann’s three-man staff.
BY ANDREW LIND , MAY 20, 2021
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The Athletic is reporting that Penny is adding Larry Brown to his Memphis coaching staff.
Obviously, needed more tips on cheating effectively.
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The Athletic is reporting that Penny is adding Larry Brown to his Memphis coaching staff.
Obviously, needed more tips on cheating effectively.
Gotta fill that Mike Miller bag dropper position.
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The Athletic is reporting that Penny is adding Larry Brown to his Memphis coaching staff.
Obviously, needed more tips on cheating effectively.
The NCAA usually does a good job punishing cheating by its membership. I doubt Penny will have a job for long
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Hard to believe Memphis has not made a tournament since 2014. That program has fallen since Calipari was there.
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Hard to believe Memphis has not made a tournament since 2014. That program has fallen since Calipari was there cheated his arse off and then bolted when the shyte was hitting the fan, just as he did at UMass.
FIFY
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FIFY
Some coaches just fit a program to a T. Larry Brown at Memphis is a perfect pairing. Repeated rule violator goes to a continued rule breaking program.
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Hard to believe Memphis has not made a tournament since 2014. That program has fallen since Calipari was there.
They sort of got greedy Pastner had them consistently competitive even though they were awful in the tournament. Had some issues after the twins transferred out but overall was solid there.
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FIFY
Perfectly said.
My only edit would be to add, "and as he has continued to do at UK..."
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Turgeon wanted the Marquette job.
https://twitter.com/allifkarim/status/1466859121408421890?s=21
I’ll take Shaka.
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Turgeon wanted the Marquette job.
https://twitter.com/allifkarim/status/1466859121408421890?s=21
I’ll take Shaka.
So Marquette helped Turgeon get an extension, then took one of Maryland's assistant coaches, and their best player.
That school got ROLLED.
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So Marquette helped Turgeon get an extension, then took one of Maryland's assistant coaches, and their best player.
That school got ROLLED.
Not very Jesuit like
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Not very Jesuit like
Or is it? Rolling that Godless public school?