The Hey its 2021 now guys MLB thread

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Free to talk about it now

[Dickthedribbler]

Up until maybe 20 years ago no manager would have pulled a pitcher giving up no hits through 1 out in the seventh and a 4 run lead. When the manager came to the mound to make the change the pitcher would have killed him and the other 8 guys would have backed the pitcher

Everything today is pitch counts and metrics and everything else be damned.

[CreightonWarrior]

I just saw that the Brewers' pitcher tonight has a no hitter through 6 innings.  Are they good enough to have a puncher's chance in the playoffs?

and now they're losing. This is on you.

[MuggsyB]

and now they're losing. This is on you.

Whoops.  My apologies.

[rocky_warrior]

Oops. At least Lester came cheap.

Lane Thomas coulda lost that game easier.

(and yes, I'm aware he's not a pitcher...that's the joke...)

[BM1090]

I just saw that the Brewers' pitcher tonight has a no hitter through 6 innings.  Are they good enough to have a puncher's chance in the playoffs?

Since nobody answered your question, yes they're good enough. As it stands right now they'd be favored to win the NLDS over the Mets. They are obviously not as good as the Dodgers. Nobody is. But they can beat anyone else if the Dodgers manage to lose in the WC game or in the NLDS. The top 3 in the rotation gives them a great shot to make a run.

[Jockey]

and now they're losing. This is on you.

Or Covid. Those stiffs - Norris and Hardy - never would have seen the field otherwise.

[CreightonWarrior]

Or Covid. Those stiffs - Norris and Hardy - never would have seen the field otherwise.

Nah, definitely Mugsy's fault.

[MU82]

Remember when there was some hair on fire that there were gonna be a bazillion no-hitters this year after there were 4 in a 2-week stretch of May?

Well, since then, there has been exactly one -- the 4-pitcher no-hitter by the Cubs on June 24 that, coincidentally, marked the last day the North Siders were relevant this season.

The last solo pitcher to throw one was Kluber almost 3 months ago.

Always beware of "on the pace to" stats.

[jesmu84]

Remember when there was some hair on fire that there were gonna be a bazillion no-hitters this year after there were 4 in a 2-week stretch of May?

Well, since then, there has been exactly one -- the 4-pitcher no-hitter by the Cubs on June 24 that, coincidentally, marked the last day the North Siders were relevant this season.

The last solo pitcher to throw one was Kluber almost 3 months ago.

Always beware of "on the pace to" stats.

Think there's any reason for that? Perhaps MLB's stance on applying substances to baseballs?

Go look at spin rates before and after that decision

Edit: https://www.wsj.com/articles/mlb-spin-rate-data-foreign-substances-11625189466

[MU82]

Think there's any reason for that? Perhaps MLB's stance on applying substances to baseballs?

Go look at spin rates before and after that decision

Edit: https://www.wsj.com/articles/mlb-spin-rate-data-foreign-substances-11625189466

Perhaps.

But no-hitters also require a pretty good amount of luck. There have been plenty of superbly pitched games since then; just no no-hitters.

So I'll stick with saying beware of making projections based on data accumulated over only a brief span. Baseball history is filled with guys who hit 6-7 homers the first 3 weeks of the season but only end up with a dozen or less.

[MuggsyB]

Nah, definitely Mugsy's fault.

I'll take the blame.  But to DTD's point why on earth would a manager pull a pitcher with a no-hitter through 6+ innings?

[Its DJOver]

Because the game has changes in the last 20 years.  Couns is one of the best at managing arms IMO.  He doesn't get it right 100% of the time, but I'd trust him more often than not.

[cheebs09]

I'll take the blame.  But to DTD's point why on earth would a manager pull a pitcher with a no-hitter through 6+ innings?

He left with 104 pitches in the 6th. He had no shot at a no hitter.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

We had this go on this week.

Cat on the loose draws MVP chants in Bronx

https://www.mlb.com/news/cat-on-the-field-at-yankee-stadium

[CreightonWarrior]

Axford out for the year. Not the Cinderella story the brewers could've used.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Axford out for the year. Not the Cinderella story the brewers could've used.

5 batters.  We hardly re-met thee.

[🏀]

5 batters.  We hardly re-met thee.

$16k a pitch. Sucks, Ax was a fun watch. Electric stuff, worth the flier.

[WI_Inferiority_Complexes1]

Remember when there was some hair on fire that there were gonna be a bazillion no-hitters this year after there were 4 in a 2-week stretch of May?

It's almost like there was a dramatic change with pitching that took place shortly thereafter.

[Dickthedribbler]

He left with 104 pitches in the 6th. He had no shot at a no hitter.

Actually left with 1 out in the 7th.

And I wasn't making the case that Counsell should have left him in. I'm a big Counsell fan. I was merely observing that not all that many years ago, no manager in baseball would have yanked a guy with a 4 run lead and 8 outs away from a no-hitter.

[cheebs09]

Actually left with 1 out in the 7th.

And I wasn't making the case that Counsell should have left him in. I'm a big Counsell fan. I was merely observing that not all that many years ago, no manager in baseball would have yanked a guy with a 4 run lead and 8 outs away from a no-hitter.

I misread the 6+. Thanks for the correction.

I agree with you. Responding more to Muggsy not understanding why he was pulled with a no-hitter going.

Was it Ervin Santana that threw a no-hitter with like 8 walks and 140 pitches? Otherwise, I think that's why you are seeing the team no-hitters more common. Managers aren't going to let you stretch too far anymore.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

A win is a win.  That's counselll's view.  It's all about inning management.   

There are studies by USA baseball that show the deterioration of quality innings as inning counts rise.  That's what Counsell's worried about.  Crew can't afford to have guys running out of gas in October.

ETA:  especially coming off a 60 game season.  It's still coming back to a lot of pitchers.  2020 was weird for pitchers.  /end ETA.

Plus, look what happened to the Cubs after they threw their team no hitter,  aina?

[ZiggysFryBoy]

I'm not a baez guy, but I do think he's amazing on the bases.

His slide at home tonight was amazing.   The catcher applied the tag wrong, Shoulda gone to the base, not the runner, but the way baez shifted his body momentum was impressive.

[Jockey]

Counsel is simply managing the starter's innings. None of his starters have ever thrown big innings plus they are coming off a short season.

Simply managing arms.

[MU82]

It's almost like there was a dramatic change with pitching that took place shortly thereafter.

Already addressed a few posts earlier.