The Hey its 2021 now guys MLB thread

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

deGrom gave up 2 solo bombs today.

Otherwise was an economical 7 innings 10 Ks on 85 pitches and 2 other singles


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Did anyone say DeGrom can't pitch without the sticky?

[Jockey]

Did anyone say DeGrom can't pitch without the sticky?

I said his spin rate dropped once the ban was put in place. But hogans makes things up to argue with.

But he was definitely the 2nd best pitcher on the field today.

[PGsHeroes32]

I said his spin rate dropped once the ban was put in place. But hogans makes things up to argue with.

But he was definitely the 2nd best pitcher on the field today.

1. DeGrom has given up more runs in 3 starts without sticky stuff than he did the rest of the season. He suddenly just looks like the best pitcher in baseball now instead of the best of all time.

That was your first comment. Lets not lie.

And he was the best pitcher on the field today. Another one of your awful "facts"

[BM1090]

I said his spin rate dropped once the ban was put in place. But hogans makes things up to argue with.

But he was definitely the 2nd best pitcher on the field today.

No. I like Corbin. He's not deGrom. He's not even Woodruff.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Did anyone say DeGrom can't pitch without the sticky?

1. DeGrom has given up more runs in 3 starts without sticky stuff than he did the rest of the season. He suddenly just looks like the best pitcher in baseball now instead of the best of all time.

So, no?

[PGsHeroes32]

So, no?

So, yes.

He said that deGrom is now suddenly "not the best pitcher of all time"(if we were even saying he was) due to 3 starts "without sticky stuff". Its a similar terrible implication as the the statement that "deGrom was definitely not the best pitcher today".

It was quickly pointed out that it was inflated by 1 bad inning(shocker it happens). Then he went on to call subjective opinions facts for about 5 more comments.

His whip without the sticky stuff still sits at .64. Remove the 1 bad inning(really 1 bad pitch) and hes directly at his season average.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

So, yes.

He said that deGrom is now suddenly "not the best pitcher of all time"(if we were even saying he was) due to 3 starts "without sticky stuff". Its a similar terrible implication as the the statement that "deGrom was definitely not the best pitcher today".

It was quickly pointed out that it was inflated by 1 bad inning(shocker it happens). Then he went on to call subjective opinions facts for about 5 more comments.

His whip without the sticky stuff still sits at .64. Remove the 1 bad inning(really 1 bad pitch) and hes directly at his season average.

So, no?

[PGsHeroes32]

So, no?

So, yes

Didn't think we'd have to state it again

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

So, yes

Didn't think we'd have to state it again

In fairness,  when I asked if anyone had said that DeGrom couldn't pitch without the sticky stuff,  I wasn't intending to include strawmen

[Jockey]

No. I like Corbin. He's not deGrom. He's not even Woodruff.

I have repeatedly said that deGrom is the best pitcher in the game today. Repeatedly.

So by definition, Corbin is not. But corbin was the better pitcher in THIS game.

[PGsHeroes32]

I have repeatedly said that deGrom is the best pitcher in the game today. Repeatedly.

So by definition, Corbin is not. But corbin was the better pitcher in THIS game.

No he wasn't.

You also said he was "definitely better" which is outrageous.

[MU82]

deGrom: 7 IP, 4 H, 2 R, 10K

Burnes: 5.2 IP, 6 H, 1 R, 8 K

Unless the only thing that counts is that deGrom gave up 2 runs to Burnes' 1, this looks pretty even to me, with deGrom's superior H/IP and K totals offsetting Burnes allowing 1 fewer run.

[PGsHeroes32]

deGrom: 7 IP, 4 H, 2 R, 10K

Burnes: 5.2 IP, 6 H, 1 R, 8 K

Unless the only thing that counts is that deGrom gave up 2 runs to Burnes' 1, this looks pretty even to me, with deGrom's superior H/IP and K totals offsetting Burnes allowing 1 fewer run.

deGrom also had the QS. Burnes didn't qualify.

Burnes left with guys on base and needed to rely on his pen(they failed).

deGrom had the much better WHIP, more innings, better K rate.

deGrom had a Bill James game score of 71. Burnes was 61.

Yeah, if in baseball you are strictly going to say the better game always goes to the guy who allows less runs, then ok(not advisable but we will award it). But to say Burnes was "definitely" better shows Jockey just once again does not have a clue.

[MU82]

deGrom also had the QS. Burnes didn't qualify.

Burnes left with guys on base and needed to rely on his pen(they failed).

deGrom had the much better WHIP, more innings, better K rate.

deGrom had a Bill James game score of 71. Burnes was 61.

Yeah, if in baseball you are strictly going to say the better game always goes to the guy who allows less runs, then ok(not advisable but we will award it). But to say Burnes was "definitely" better shows Jockey just once again does not have a clue.

Aside from the insult at the end being unnecessary, I agree with your analysis.

One could argue Burnes allowing 1 fewer run gives him a slight edge. But as I've already said, I'd rate it even. And as you said, other stats would give deGrom the edge.

I think one thing we can all agree on -- even Jockey, if he'll remove emotion from his thoughts -- is that deGrom was absolutely not "definitely the 2nd best pitcher" in G1 yesterday.

[Its DJOver]

Low key big series for the Crew.  Just the mentality of a possible 10 game lead at the break would be huge.  Long way to go (key phrase here), but a series win here, and a series win in Cincy right after the break and you almost feel like you could coast to the finish and save some arms. Rest of the division certainly isn't looking like it's gonna put up a fight right now.

[Jockey]

deGrom: 7 IP, 4 H, 2 R, 10K

Burnes: 5.2 IP, 6 H, 1 R, 8 K

Unless the only thing that counts is that deGrom gave up 2 runs to Burnes' 1, this looks pretty even to me, with deGrom's superior H/IP and K totals offsetting Burnes allowing 1 fewer run.

When two teams step on the field, each team has one purpose - WIN the game. So the basic question is "which pitcher did more to help his team win?"

The answer in this game is Burnes.

[PGsHeroes32]

When two teams step on the field, each team has one purpose - WIN the game. So the basic question is "which pitcher did more to help his team win?"

The answer in this game is Burnes.

No he didn't. He pitched less innings(not even a QS). Need to have two inherited runners stranded. PUt more strain on his bullpen who did ultimately blow the game.

Your logic is simply which guy gave up less runs. Which is fine if you want to go that route, its just not sound logic.

[jficke13]

When two teams step on the field, each team has one purpose - WIN the game. So the basic question is "which pitcher did more to help his team win?"

The answer in this game is Burnes.

Weird hill to die on man.

[Jockey]

Cubbies wearing their rec league uniforms today.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Cubbies wearing their rec league uniforms today.

When in Rome, hey?

[CreightonWarrior]

The YouTube TV broadcast is pretty rough.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

The YouTube TV broadcast is pretty rough.

 

Pleasac is bad in The Show.  Worse on YouTube.

[CreightonWarrior]

Home plate umpires have been awful the first two games of this series.

[GB Warrior]

4 Brewers pitchers in the All Star game with Peralta replacing Woodruff since Woody pitches Sunday night. I thought Peralta should have made it outright over Marquez.

Kudos to the 3 starters, and to this development staff. 2 years ago, I thought Peralta was destined to be a long reliever and wasn't sure Burnes could stick in the rotation.

Baseball is cool.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Leave it to the Cardinals to give us Cubs fans something to cheer for.