The Hey its 2021 now guys MLB thread

[Uncle Rico]

Fire Counsell

[MU82]

On June 24, four Cubs pitchers combined to no-hit the Dodgers. The Cubbies were 42-33, tied atop the NL Central with the Brewers, who were idle that day.

Since then, the Cubs are 0-9, the Brewers are 9-1, and Milwaukee has opened a 7-game lead over second-place Cincinnati. The Cubs are 8 1/2 games back.

In a week and a half, the Cubs went from division leaders to 7 games out of the second wild-card spot.

Absolutely crazy. Let the salary-dumping fire sale begin on the North Side.

[CreightonWarrior]

On June 24, four Cubs pitchers combined to no-hit the Dodgers. The Cubbies were 42-33, tied atop the NL Central with the Brewers, who were idle that day.

Since then, the Cubs are 0-9, the Brewers are 9-1, and Milwaukee has opened a 7-game lead over second-place Cincinnati. The Cubs are 8 1/2 games back.

In a week and a half, the Cubs went from division leaders to 7 games out of the second wild-card spot.

Absolutely crazy. Let the salary-dumping fire sale begin on the North Side.

Dodgers haven't lost a game since that no-hitter.

[MU82]

Dodgers haven't lost a game since that no-hitter.

Yeah, I guess getting no-hit by a crud team woke em up!

[Silent Verbal]

On June 24, four Cubs pitchers combined to no-hit the Dodgers. The Cubbies were 42-33, tied atop the NL Central with the Brewers, who were idle that day.

Since then, the Cubs are 0-9, the Brewers are 9-1, and Milwaukee has opened a 7-game lead over second-place Cincinnati. The Cubs are 8 1/2 games back.

In a week and a half, the Cubs went from division leaders to 7 games out of the second wild-card spot.

Absolutely crazy. Let the salary-dumping fire sale begin on the North Side.

The Cubs should obviously sell, but teams just don't pay for rentals anymore.  Rizzo's playing hurt, Bryant's fallen off a cliff after early MVP talk, and Baez has been dreadful.  The guy they could get the most for right now is Kimbrel, who I believe has a club option for next year.

The Cubs were far and away the best team in baseball for the entirety of their 2016 championship run, and with their young core, looked like they'd be the best team in the NL for the next half decade.  They haven't been back to the World Series since.  That's a big disappointment, any way you slice it. 

[PGsHeroes32]

Have your mom read to you what I have posted.

If facts don't interest you, just call me names.

The next time you give a "fact" will be the first time.

You are a blockhead. I gave the facts.

[PGsHeroes32]

This is a wee bit misleading. A 2.50 ERA is outstanding, of course, but not where he's been the past four seasons. From 2018 to the start of the crackdown. his ERA was 1.90.
It's also worth noting that his K/9 the past three starts is 7.0, after being 10.7 since 2018.
That could be a three-game anomaly, or it could be because of the crackdown. But either way, it's not inaccurate to say his last three starts aren't reflective of what we've come to expect from deGrom is recent seasons.

He has 25 Ks in his last 3 starts(18 innings).

Im no math guru but that is a not a 7 K per 9 innings rate.

[Jockey]

The next time you give a "fact" will be the first time.

You are a blockhead. I gave the facts.

The 4 facts I gave:

1. I stated a fact about his last 3 games.
2. I stated a fact he was the best pitcher in baseball.
3. I stated a fact that he is not the greatest pitcher of all time.
4. I'll give you one more fact. His spin rate is down in his last 3 starts.

Give me one shred of evidence to dispute any of these.

Please do so as a grownup.

[PGsHeroes32]

The 4 facts I gave:

1. I stated a fact about his last 3 games.
2. I stated a fact he was the best pitcher in baseball.
3. I stated a fact that he is not the greatest pitcher of all time.
4. I'll give you one more fact. His spin rate is down in his last 3 starts.

Give me one shred of evidence to dispute any of these.

Please do so as a grownup.

While I definitely agree with #2 and any objective person would as well, neither of those two statements are facts.

I however did give you facts.

[Jockey]

While I definitely agree with #2 and any objective person would as well, neither of those two statements are facts.

I however did give you facts.

You are a disbeliever in numbers?

I accept that and will move on.

[MU82]

The Cubs should obviously sell, but teams just don't pay for rentals anymore.  Rizzo's playing hurt, Bryant's fallen off a cliff after early MVP talk, and Baez has been dreadful.  The guy they could get the most for right now is Kimbrel, who I believe has a club option for next year.

The Cubs were far and away the best team in baseball for the entirety of their 2016 championship run, and with their young core, looked like they'd be the best team in the NL for the next half decade.  They haven't been back to the World Series since.  That's a big disappointment, any way you slice it.

I would think Baez would have significant value as a short-term rental. He is a low cost (remainder of this season's $10M) guy, and a GM would have little trouble convincing himself that a motivated Baez could return to form in August, September and October.

Agree about the others, though the Cubs probably still could find trading partners, especially if they're willing to help pay some of their salaries.

And obviously agree about the franchise falling off a cliff. Another example of why every title, and every realistic shot at a title, should never be taken for granted.

[wadesworld]

I'd rent Rizzo and Bryant for the rest of the year.

[The Sultan]

I'd rent Rizzo and Bryant for the rest of the year.

Yeah but for whom? 

[4everwarriors]

Cubs aren't tradin' those suckers to another Central Div. team, hey?

[Jockey]

I would think Baez would have significant value as a short-term rental. He is a low cost (remainder of this season's $10M) guy, and a GM would have little trouble convincing himself that a motivated Baez could return to form in August, September and October.

Agree about the others, though the Cubs probably still could find trading partners, especially if they're willing to help pay some of their salaries.

And obviously agree about the franchise falling off a cliff. Another example of why every title, and every realistic shot at a title, should never be taken for granted.

He just ain't worth much. About as close to an average MLB hitter for his career as you can get.

The trades for Lindor, Carasco, Arenado, Darvish & Josh Bell included a return including the grand total of 1 Top 100 prospects. And those were guys you were getting for an entire year.

Teams just are no longer willing to part with top prospects like they used to even a couple years ago (Eloy & Cease for Quintana)

[The Sultan]

He just ain't worth much. About as close to an average MLB hitter for his career as you can get.

The trades for Lindor, Carasco, Arenado, Darvish & Josh Bell included a return including the grand total of 1 Top 100 prospects. And those were guys you were getting for an entire year.

Teams just are no longer willing to part with top prospects like they used to even a couple years ago (Eloy & Cease for Quintana)

Yep.  Its just not worth giving up control over a young, top prospect to roll the dice on a three month rental.

[MU82]

He just ain't worth much. About as close to an average MLB hitter for his career as you can get.

The trades for Lindor, Carasco, Arenado, Darvish & Josh Bell included a return including the grand total of 1 Top 100 prospects. And those were guys you were getting for an entire year.

Teams just are no longer willing to part with top prospects like they used to even a couple years ago (Eloy & Cease for Quintana)

You very well could be right. We'll know soon enough if the Cubs will be able to move any of these guys.

[Pakuni]

Grandal out 4-6 weeks with a torn tendon.
White Sox hitters are cursed.

[Jockey]

You can't let Arrieta start another game.

[Dish]

If you're season is going to end the first week of July, might as well go down in total flames.

[PGsHeroes32]

deGrom gave up 2 solo bombs today.

Otherwise was an economical 7 innings 10 Ks on 85 pitches and 2 other singles


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[Dish]

This Twins team has been dead for a while, but man do they look like they've quit.

[PGsHeroes32]

This Twins team has been dead for a while, but man do they look like they've quit.

Tough not to when someone in the decision making process allows them to continue to trot out Andrelton Simmons everyday.

[MU82]

deGrom gave up 2 solo bombs today.

Otherwise was an economical 7 innings 10 Ks on 85 pitches and 2 other singles


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ERA's over 1 now. What a loser.

[Uncle Rico]

I've said it once and I'll say it a million times, Fire Counsell