NBA Thread 2020-21

[MuggsyB]

Why? Does every NBA champ city help college bball schools in that city?

I just think Milwaukee is an unusual city in this regard.   It's much smaller than other pure cities with big-time pro and college hoops.  I would imagine that the early 70's in Milwaukee was hoops heaven with the Bucks and MU helping each other.   I think the Bucks winning helps, it helps the entire city including MU. 

[BM1090]

It's beyond ridiculous, but I don't think he goes THAT far over very often.

Agreed. He usually takes in the 9-12 second range.

It's a rule so if it gets called it's fine by me, but they should call it consistently one way or the other.

Also...

https://twitter.com/itsjwills/status/1408174029417201675

[Hards Alumni]

I just think Milwaukee is an unusual city in this regard.   It's much smaller than other pure cities with big-time pro and college hoops.  I would imagine that the early 70's in Milwaukee was hoops heaven with the Bucks and MU helping each other.   I think the Bucks winning helps, it helps the entire city including MU.

If you asked the average person where Marquette is, they'd guess upper Michigan.

The Bucks being good is fun... but has nothing to do with Marquette's success.

[cheebs09]

If you asked the average person where Marquette is, they'd guess upper Michigan.

The Bucks being good is fun... but has nothing to do with Marquette's success.

I think it's a bit unique as there's not many college teams that share a facility with the same pro team. Also, I think sometimes in the off-season, Bucks and MU guys would play a little.

I don't think it's a material event, but something nice Shaka can point to.

[lawdog77]

If you asked the average person where Marquette is, they'd guess upper Michigan.

The Bucks being good is fun... but has nothing to do with Marquette's success.

Not sure how those two statements even equate. We're not talking about whether Joe six pack in Little Rock Arkansas knows where our beloved alma mater is. We're talking about whether a recruit will pick  MU because we share floorspace with the Bucks. IMO, I don't think it would be the biggest factor, but again, I am not an 18 years old who has NBA hopes.

[Uncle Rico]

If you asked the average person where Marquette is, they'd guess upper Michigan.

The Bucks being good is fun... but has nothing to do with Marquette's success.

The Bucks being good in the 1980's did jack squat for Marquette. 

[MU82]

I think part of it is the routine he does before even getting the ball. That's not part of the 10 seconds, but definitely adds to how long it takes for him to shoot one Free Throw.

Yep. The ref stands there with the ball waiting for Giannis to practice his shooting form 2-3 times. Then he hands it to Giannis, who takes more than the allotted time.

It's beyond ridiculous, but I don't think he goes THAT far over very often.

11.5 seconds is 15% more than the time the rule allows, and 13.3 is 33% more. (Those were the two times the NBA admitted he took on those last 2 FTs in G1.) I'd guesstimate that he's between those times more often than not, so about 20% over the time allowed, and he does it pretty much every time. So I guess it depends on how one defines "THAT far."

Even though I think it's gotta be called, it really doesn't affect my life one way or another, so I don't want to get into a silly Scoop argument over semantics. If the NBA doesn't want to enforce its rules, whatevs. As I said, they already let offensive players get away with moving screens on just about every possession, and those affect a game much more than Giannis taking an extra 1.5 seconds.

[MuggsyB]

The Bucks being good in the 1980's did jack squat for Marquette.

Yes....but MU has some coaching issues back then. 

I don't see how it could hurt.  The new arena and the surrounding area getting more exposure, if they get to the NBA Finals, might resonate with potential recruits?  It's always nice to see the MU banners. 

[Hards Alumni]

Not sure how those two statements even equate. We're not talking about whether Joe six pack in Little Rock Arkansas knows where our beloved alma mater is. We're talking about whether a recruit will pick  MU because we share floorspace with the Bucks. IMO, I don't think it would be the biggest factor, but again, I am not an 18 years old who has NBA hopes.

They weren't meant to equate.  What I'm getting at is that we (this board) have a bit of an overinflated idea of what the rest of the US knows about the school... most don't even know where it is.  And the Bucks being good won't change that, nor will it be 'good for Marquette'.

Like, how would it be good for Marquette?

[MuggsyB]

Regarding the Bucks/Hawks I think Young is far more dangerous getting into the paint than launching deep threes.  I couldn't figure out why Holiday and others were blanketing him 40 feet from the rim.  The kid has tier 1 blow by speed and he has mastered the floater and the alley oop lob. 

[MU82]

What I'm getting at is that we (this board) have a bit of an overinflated idea of what the rest of the US knows about the school... most don't even know where it is.

A couple weeks ago, we went to another couple's house for drinks and dinner. They also invited their neighbors, whom we hadn't met before. I was wearing my Marquette hat and the neighbor woman said, "That's Marquette University, right?" I started to say, "Yeah, it's in Milwaukee, not Michigan ... " but she interrupted to say, "I know exactly where it is. I played soccer at UNC-Charlotte and we had games there every year."

So that was a pleasant surprise to meet somebody who actually knew where MU was! As you say, more often than not folks think it's in Michigan -- and that even goes for some older folks here who had to watch their Tar Heels lose to the Warriors in '77.

Having said all that, even if it doesn't really "help" if Shaka to be able to say, "Yeah, we share the arena with the NBA champions" -- and neither of us really knows if it helps or not -- it certainly wouldn't hurt.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Like, how would it be good for Marquette?

Shaka can tell recruits that they get to share a homecourt with the NBA champions. I doubt it does a lot, but with some recruits it will carry a little weight.

Put it this way. The phrase "you get to share a homecourt with the Milwaukee Bucks" has been cooler for the past three seasons than it was for the 22 seasons before that.

[Jockey]

Yep. The ref stands there with the ball waiting for Giannis to practice his shooting form 2-3 times. Then he hands it to Giannis, who takes more than the allotted time.

11.5 seconds is 15% more than the time the rule allows, and 13.3 is 33% more. (Those were the two times the NBA admitted he took on those last 2 FTs in G1.) I'd guesstimate that he's between those times more often than not, so about 20% over the time allowed, and he does it pretty much every time. So I guess it depends on how one defines "THAT far."

Most golfers know that the longer you stand over a putt, the harder it gets.

Just shoot the ball. It's a frickin' free throw.

[MU82]

Most golfers know that the longer you stand over a putt, the harder it gets.

Just shoot the ball. It's a frickin' free throw.

Contrast Giannis' painful FT routine with that of Trae Young, who holds the ball for all of about 1 second before he shoots FTs.

Of course, Young only shoots 89%, so imagine how much better he'd be if he took 12 seconds to prepare for every shot!

[cheebs09]

This discussion reminds me of one of my favorite Al quotes.

"He goes through so many things at the foul line, I think I'm watching 'Macbeth.'"

---  Al McGuire on USC guard Harold Miner's free throw ritual

[Hards Alumni]

Mavs hire Jason Kidd for some reason.

[lawdog77]

Mavs hire Jason Kidd for some reason.

For Luka. Same reason they hired their GM from Nike.

[PGsHeroes32]

Mavs hire Jason Kidd for some reason.

You couldn't come up with a single reason??

Not even the blatantly obvious one?

[Hards Alumni]

You couldn't come up with a single reason??

Not even the blatantly obvious one?

Cool.  Now what?  They're stuck with a bad coach who has serious questions about his past.

[JWags85]

I think the idea that you hit him coming down the lane is a relic of the 90s.  I don't mind the switching defenses with Lopez playing a lesser role, but the defense has to hit the boards.

Yep, if the Bucks rebound even remotely competently in the 4th on Wed, they win that game.

Trae Young is very good, but in his best game of the playoffs he only shot 50% and was not good from 3.  He got to the line a bunch.  He has had far more games shooting 7/8/9 for 25ish.  If they hold him to that and under 10
FTs, they should be fine. If he plays like he did the last few games of the Sixers series, the Bucks win going away

[lawdog77]

Yep, if the Bucks rebound even remotely competently in the 4th on Wed, they win that game.

Trae Young is very good, but in his best game of the playoffs he only shot 50% and was not good from 3.  He got to the line a bunch.  He has had far more games shooting 7/8/9 for 25ish.  If they hold him to that and under 10
FTs, they should be fine. If he plays like he did the last few games of the Sixers series, the Bucks win going away

He created 72 points. The most ever in a conference finals game. PJ Tucker even said before the game while mic'd up that keeping Trae out of the lane is more important than the 3. Why they let this happen, I have no idea.The Bucks did not show any way to stop Rayford from getting in the lane.

[PGsHeroes32]

Cool.  Now what?  They're stuck with a bad coach who has serious questions about his past.

Now he coaches the team which is a move most assume the superstar franchise player approves of.

[Hards Alumni]

Now he coaches the team which is a move most assume the superstar franchise player approves of.

.491 career winning percentage.  I'm sure it'll work out great this time!

[CreightonWarrior]

Give Sheryl Crow lifetime tickets.

[4everwarriors]

Ass kickin', hey?