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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: Skatastrophy on December 07, 2020, 07:58:52 PM
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The Heat have decided not to field a G-League team this year (Sioux Falls Skyforce)
https://heatnation.com/team-news/report-miami-heat-decide-not-to-field-g-league-team-this-season/
It will be interesting to see if other teams follow the Heat's lead, and how many games the Heat's 2-way players will get. I'd imagine a lot.
Could be a dream come true for Markus Howard if this becomes a trend.
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The Heat have decided not to field a G-League team this year (Sioux Falls Skyforce)
https://heatnation.com/team-news/report-miami-heat-decide-not-to-field-g-league-team-this-season/
It will be interesting to see if other teams follow the Heat's lead, and how many games the Heat's 2-way players will get. I'd imagine a lot.
Could be a dream come true for Markus Howard if this becomes a trend.
Wonder how much geography plays into this as well. Every other G League affiliate is a relatively short car ride away from their parent club. No other G League squad is so remote in comparison. It’s always been funny imagining the culture shock of going from no money in Sioux Falls to even NBA minimums in South Beach, but this could be a legit factor.
The Pelicans are the only other with their G League being in Erie, PA. Interesting to see if they follow. That club is slated to move to Birmingham in the next year or two, they only play in Erie due to red tape in creation so they used the existing structure after the Hawks’ affiliate moved to Atlanta
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Wonder how much geography plays into this as well. Every other G League affiliate is a relatively short car ride away from their parent club. No other G League squad is so remote in comparison. It’s always been funny imagining the culture shock of going from no money in Sioux Falls to even NBA minimums in South Beach, but this could be a legit factor.
Normally I think you'd be onto something, but I dug into it a little further into the rumor mill:
The G-league is planning to play a shortened season in a bubble in Atlanta this year. 1-month, $500k entry fee per team.
There are reports that the following NBA teams will not be fielding a G-Leauge team in the bubble: Lakers, Celtics, Heat, Pistons
The Sixers and the Raptors are in, so not all teams are opting out. Still, this will be interesting to keep an eye on.
Source: https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2020/12/heat-lakers-among-teams-likely-to-bypass-g-league-bubble.html
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Anyone else anxious that Giannis hasn’t signed the Supermax yet? He has until 12/21, but was hoping he’d have signed by now.
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Nah, he wood bee an itdeeot knot ta sign, aina?
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Oops. Wrong topic.
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So Dez has a positive test so they pulled him off the field pregame. The NFL says that they did contact tracing and no one else is impacted.
The Fox guys were dumbfounded. Curt asked Jimmy how that could be, and the response was “I don’t know. Who am I? Dr. Fauci?”
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Anyone else anxious that Giannis hasn’t signed the Supermax yet? He has until 12/21, but was hoping he’d have signed by now.
After that presser today, I'm very concerned.
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After that presser today, I'm very concerned.
He gone
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As much as I want to see him on the Heat with Jimmy, I want the Bucks to keep him. Sucks being a small market team.
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After that presser today, I'm very concerned.
A lot of fairly plugged in “NBA culture” people on Twitter have been hinting at it for awhile. Not the NBA writer types, but those with lots of friends and relationships either with players or their personal teams behind the scenes. Desperately want to be wrong, but I haven’t felt good about it in awhile
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Didn’t think just Jrue was enough to keep him and wish they backed out when the Bogdan deal broke down. They’re going to be bad for a long time.
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What did he say? Quick summary, please.
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What did he say? Quick summary, please.
From Malika Andrews:
Giannis Antetokounmpo, when asked about his contract, says: "Right now, I am not focused on that. I am just trying to focus on myself."
He adds that he is leaving those discussions to his agent, Alex Saratsis, and the front office.
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To be clear, there are no real negotiations in the supermax except the existence of a player option.
In summary for us Bucks fans:
(https://i.makeagif.com/media/8-22-2014/nOrg_v.gif)
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Eye sed last summer da Bucks should trade his sorry ass. Dis smacks of Abdul-Jabbar v2. Chit happens wen da inmates run da asylum, hey?
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From Malika Andrews:
Giannis Antetokounmpo, when asked about his contract, says: "Right now, I am not focused on that. I am just trying to focus on myself."
He adds that he is leaving those discussions to his agent, Alex Saratsis, and the front office.
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To be clear, there are no real negotiations in the supermax except the existence of a player option.
In summary for us Bucks fans:
(https://i.makeagif.com/media/8-22-2014/nOrg_v.gif)
My thought/hope is he’s looking for a 2 year extension plus a player option for the third. That way he can sign a bigger deal later and keep some flexibility.
I just can’t picture them making that Jrue trade without assurances. They gave up so much that if Giannis leaves, you can’t even tank for a good pick.
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Eye sed last summer da Bucks should trade his sorry ass. Dis smacks of Abdul-Jabbar v2. Chit happens wen da inmates run da asylum, hey?
Yes, free agency, which has been around for 50 years, is the problem. Bring back the reserve clause!
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I just can’t picture them making that Jrue trade without assurances. They gave up so much that if Giannis leaves, you can’t even tank for a good pick.
In an actual professional front office, yeah. But that's not the Bucks.
If he's not gonna extend, you have to shop him. It's the only way to not totally suck for the next decade.
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In an actual professional front office, yeah. But that's not the Bucks.
If he's not gonna extend, you have to shop him. It's the only way to not totally suck for the next decade.
Looking forward to bringing back all of the Warriors expensive trash like Wiggins, Oubre or the remains of Klay Thompson
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I’d take Klay Thompson on one leg over Middleton if both were on max deals
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Eye sed last summer da Bucks should trade his sorry ass. Dis smacks of Abdul-Jabbar v2. Chit happens wen da inmates run da asylum, hey?
Huh? What inmates?
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Eye sed last summer da Bucks should trade his sorry ass. Dis smacks of Abdul-Jabbar v2. Chit happens wen da inmates run da asylum, hey?
You mean when players decide to exercise their contractual rights?
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You mean when players decide to exercise their contractual rights?
Rumors have been that Giannis wants assurances that the team is “going for it” and wants specific players, which he denies.
Giannis has to bear some responsibility for the playoff losses. He is 2-time mvp and hasn’t exactly carried the team in the playoffs. At the end of the day, I think he signs before 12-21. Nothing in his answers yesterday make me feel differently. It would be a huge distraction to the season if he didn’t. If he doesn’t sign, he should just say he is going into free agency instead of stringing everyone along.
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Rumors have been that Giannis wants assurances that the team is “going for it” and wants specific players, which he denies.
Giannis has to bear some responsibility for the playoff losses. He is 2-time mvp and hasn’t exactly carried the team in the playoffs. At the end of the day, I think he signs before 12-21. Nothing in his answers yesterday make me feel differently. It would be a huge distraction to the season if he didn’t. If he doesn’t sign, he should just say he is going into free agency instead of stringing everyone along.
Bogdan was the guy he wanted. I really think that one going south could have swung his view.
And you're absolutely right about that. Until that jumper develops it's gonna be the same story in the playoffs.
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Harden added Milwaukee to his list of destinations. Probably similar to AD adding the Bucks to show he wasn’t just focused on the Lakers.
Other than trading Middleton, which is still far below what’s needed, I don’t know what the Bucks could offer to have Houston not hang up immediately. Plus, I don’t know if we have the gentleman’s clubs to make a Harden trade successful.
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Harden added Milwaukee to his list of destinations. Probably similar to AD adding the Bucks to show he wasn’t just focused on the Lakers.
Other than trading Middleton, which is still far below what’s needed, I don’t know what the Bucks could offer to have Houston not hang up immediately.Plus, I don’t know if we have the gentleman’s clubs to make a Harden trade successful.
Gary Payton would say no.
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A coworker of mine said before Giannis even returned from Greece that he did an interview with some Greek media where he basically said if he was going to sign the supermax it'd be in the time between the last preseason game and the first regular season game. He wanted to focus on basketball during the preseason. I always thought, and still do, that he would sign the supermax shortly before the deadline.
If the Bogdan thing is what sours Giannis to Milwaukee so be it. Bogdan is a good player, but he's not some superstar that Milwaukee lost out on. If winning titles is what Giannis wants to sign long term, the Bucks got the far better player (Jrue) this offseason. And they were always getting only one of those two players.
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IMO he's going to have to go to another team if he wants a ring.
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If you told me 2 years ago that we’d make the ECF and be one of the top 2 or 3 teams the last 2 years, I would have said he signs no doubt.
I was worried we’d be hovering in that 5-7 seed range while Giannis developed and still have a huge gap to being a contender. For all the issues the Bucks FO has that make them shoot themselves in the foot, they have gotten the team to be a contender. They really couldn’t have done a ton more to get him to stay.
Now, Giannis can see that it’s a crap show in the management and we are successful in spite of the FO, then maybe that’s causing him to pause. But until he develops a jumper, I don’t know how many teams he can go to that are in a better situation than Milwaukee.
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I just don't see how anybody can reasonably say "Giannis can't win a title in Milwaukee," or "Giannis can't be the best player on a title team." The Bucks were up 2-0 on the Raptors, who went on to win the Finals, in the ECF 2 years ago, and pushed game 3 to double overtime. They were also up 16 in the 3rd quarter of game 6, which would've led to a home game 7. At the end of the day they didn't win the title, but let's not act like that team had no chance to win the title. Quite honestly, they choked it away.
And last year, while not trying to take away from what the Lakers or the Heat did, I don't know what to take away from the bubble. It was a weird situation. Unfortunately this season will be as well. But the Bucks were clearly not the same team in the bubble that they had been prior to the bubble. They struggled in the "seeding games" and they lost a game to the freaking Magic before the Heat dominated them. I'm just not convinced the Bucks were that much worse than the Heat if covid doesn't hit and the teams aren't sent to a bubble after 2-3 months off.
And the Bucks are better this year than they were last year. Jrue is a real, real player. Bledsoe was a negative once it got to Playoff time.
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And last year, while not trying to take away from what the Lakers or the Heat did, I don't know what to take away from the bubble. It was a weird situation. Unfortunately this season will be as well. But the Bucks were clearly not the same team in the bubble that they had been prior to the bubble. They struggled in the "seeding games" and they lost a game to the freaking Magic before the Heat dominated them. I'm just not convinced the Bucks were that much worse than the Heat if covid doesn't hit and the teams aren't sent to a bubble after 2-3 months off.
Bubble was tough to read. Bucks gave no indication that they had any desire to be there.
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If you told me 2 years ago that we’d make the ECF and be one of the top 2 or 3 teams the last 2 years, I would have said he signs no doubt.
I was worried we’d be hovering in that 5-7 seed range while Giannis developed and still have a huge gap to being a contender. For all the issues the Bucks FO has that make them shoot themselves in the foot, they have gotten the team to be a contender. They really couldn’t have done a ton more to get him to stay.
Now, Giannis can see that it’s a crap show in the management and we are successful in spite of the FO, then maybe that’s causing him to pause. But until he develops a jumper, I don’t know how many teams he can go to that are in a better situation than Milwaukee.
Is the front office a problem in Milwaukee?
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Is the front office a problem in Milwaukee?
I believe it is. Edens and Lasry couldn't agree on Justin Zanik so they took the cheapest in-house option and made him GM. And Horst has done good things, no doubt. But there have been some missteps that are pretty bad. Especially considering the cap situation.
They screwed up a draft day deal with Atlanta by leaking that they were gonna take DiVincenzo. They botched getting a $10 million trade exception from the Brogdon sign-and-trade by not slightly altering how George Hill's deal was structured. The Bogdan fiasco. And they ended up having to give Connaughton another year and more money because they forgot he wasn't eligible for a second year player option. The lack of knowledge around the cap rules is stunning, honestly. And with the limited space they have, all this stuff matters even more.
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I believe it is. Edens and Lasry couldn't agree on Justin Zanik so they took the cheapest in-house option and made him GM. And Horst has done good things, no doubt. But there have been some missteps that are pretty bad. Especially considering the cap situation.
They screwed up a draft day deal with Atlanta by leaking that they were gonna take DiVincenzo. They botched getting a $10 million trade exception from the Brogdon sign-and-trade by not slightly altering how George Hill's deal was structured. The Bogdan fiasco. And they ended up having to give Connaughton another year and more money because they forgot he wasn't eligible for a second year player option. The lack of knowledge around the cap rules is stunning, honestly. And with the limited space they have, all this stuff matters even more.
They also have a screwy system for who is head decision maker. Lasry for a certain number of years then Edens. They don’t always agree on things so there is no long term continuity. Just stupid.
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I believe it is. Edens and Lasry couldn't agree on Justin Zanik so they took the cheapest in-house option and made him GM. And Horst has done good things, no doubt. But there have been some missteps that are pretty bad. Especially considering the cap situation.
They screwed up a draft day deal with Atlanta by leaking that they were gonna take DiVincenzo. They botched getting a $10 million trade exception from the Brogdon sign-and-trade by not slightly altering how George Hill's deal was structured. The Bogdan fiasco. And they ended up having to give Connaughton another year and more money because they forgot he wasn't eligible for a second year player option. The lack of knowledge around the cap rules is stunning, honestly. And with the limited space they have, all this stuff matters even more.
Alex Lasry tweeted out a picture of their draft board at the start of the draft one year. I think it showed they had DJ Wilson as top 10 on their board.
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Lasry's also in bed with Clinton. Shows ya watt he knows, hey?
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Lasry's also in bed with Clinton. Shows ya watt he knows, hey?
Stop it!
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Lasry's also in bed with Clinton. Shows ya watt he knows, hey?
Yeah. He’s smart on political issues.
But this is the NBA thread so stuck to the topic please.
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I believe it is. Edens and Lasry couldn't agree on Justin Zanik so they took the cheapest in-house option and made him GM. And Horst has done good things, no doubt. But there have been some missteps that are pretty bad. Especially considering the cap situation.
They screwed up a draft day deal with Atlanta by leaking that they were gonna take DiVincenzo. They botched getting a $10 million trade exception from the Brogdon sign-and-trade by not slightly altering how George Hill's deal was structured. The Bogdan fiasco. And they ended up having to give Connaughton another year and more money because they forgot he wasn't eligible for a second year player option. The lack of knowledge around the cap rules is stunning, honestly. And with the limited space they have, all this stuff matters even more.
Appreciate this.
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Appreciate this.
Different sport, but this is why Russ Ball has a job in the NFL. Bucks sorely need this attention to detail. Even amateurs like me knew they pissed away the TE opportunity from the Brogdon trade, and that would have fetched a legitimate player.
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Lasry's also in bed with Clinton. Shows ya watt he knows, hey?
which one? wait, figuratively or literally? You just dont know with them
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https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1337796510537441284
> "The NBA Competition Committee has unanimously recommended to expand the active roster list from dressing 13 players to 15 for games in upcoming season. The Board of Governors are slated to meet Dec. 17 to approve the change."
This will help keep rosters consistent given the pandemic. Could really help guys like Markus see a *ton* of games this year.
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Giannis signing the extension.
https://twitter.com/Giannis_An34/status/1338912608662003715?s=20
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What a relief. Easily the most significant contract related event in Bucks history
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What a freaking 24 hours of basketball.
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There was always a chance, but I figured it was at least 90% that he was gonna sign. He's comfortable here, plus that's a lot more money than he would have gotten anywhere else.
Just outstanding news!!
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I'm not even an NBA fan. Hearing the news brought a tear to my eye. Wonderful news!!
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Congrats to all of our Bucks fans friends. Freak is so fun to watch. Here's hoping he keeps getting better, and that the Bucks can continue to improve their roster around him.
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What a relief. Easily the most significant contract related event in Bucks history
Well yeah, I mean there's what two other players in bucks history that would be on his level (or better) and both were traded away.
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It would be just so nice for either the Bucks or Brewers to break through and PLAY for a championship. Since the Brewers were in the 1982 World Series, the Bucks are 0-5 in the conference finals, and the Brewers are 0-2 in the LCS.
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Well yeah, I mean there's what two other players in bucks history that would be on his level (or better) and both were traded away.
Just one. (Kareem)
Ray Allen was never at this level.
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What a relief. Easily the most significant contract related event in Bucks history Wisconsin sports history
IMO
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Just one. (Kareem)
Ray Allen was never at this level.
Maybe he means Kent Benson
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IMO
Reggie White FA signing is up there as well.
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There was always a chance, but I figured it was at least 90% that he was gonna sign. He's comfortable here, plus that's a lot more money than he would have gotten anywhere else.
Just outstanding news!!
90% is bordering on irrational confidence given everything. The rumors over the last few weeks were concerning to say the least. Also, there have only been a handful of MVPs from small market teams over the last 30 years. Garnett, Durant, Westbrook, and Giannis (not counting Malone cause he’s a weirdo). Sticking with a small team, especially in this era, just seems highly unlikely. At the very least, they should get another 3-4 years out of Giannis, which is incredibly huge.
IMO
One could probably argue Reggie White given the outsized influence of the Packers vs the Bucks in this state
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No Greenie Weenie for the Bucks. Please, don't trade his "sorry ass!"
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Reggie White FA signing is up there as well.
Correct. I forgot about that one. Reggie White is the most significant on many levels.
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90% is bordering on irrational confidence given everything. The rumors over the last few weeks were concerning to say the least. Also, there have only been a handful of MVPs from small market teams over the last 30 years. Garnett, Durant, Westbrook, and Giannis (not counting Malone cause he’s a weirdo). Sticking with a small team, especially in this era, just seems highly unlikely. At the very least, they should get another 3-4 years out of Giannis, which is incredibly huge.
One could probably argue Reggie White given the outsized influence of the Packers vs the Bucks in this state
The difference is that GA never expressed the willingness to leave that the others did. He has always talked affectionately about Milwaukee.
LeBron, Durant, Garnett, Westbrook, Harden all publicly expressed the desire to leave their former teams.
I would have been very surprised if he had refused to sign the extension.
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One could probably argue Reggie White given the outsized influence of the Packers vs the Bucks in this state
Not only that, but he wasn't *re*signing. He was a UFA.
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This signing is right up there with Reggie signing with the Packers as FA. This would have been a ball buster if he had not signed. Big time news and very jacked up over it.
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This signing is right up there with Reggie signing with the Packers as FA. This would have been a ball buster if he had not signed. Big time news and very jacked up over it.
Milwaukee has 2 in their prime MVPs who have signed long term deals to stay.
This is game changing stuff.
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Milwaukee has 2 in their prime MVPs who have signed long term deals to stay.
This is game changing stuff.
And GB has one, as well.
We could end up with MVPs in the same year in all 3 major sports.
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For a guy who brags constantly about how good a basketball player he was/is -- indeed, that he could have beaten MJ 1-on-1, LaVar Ball was 0-for-3 in teaching his own sons how to shoot.
All three have had horrible form, although Lonzo's is finally looking better after NBA coaches from two different organizations have had to re-work it. The Hornets just drafted LaMelo, and he is a wizard with the basketball, but his shooting form is ugly bordering on ridiculous.
I know many middle-school coaches who have taught their players far better shooting form. The great LaVar Ball went oh-fer.
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Kan da Bucks and Lakers now chitkan Giannis' brothers, hey?
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For a guy who brags constantly about how good a basketball player he was/is -- indeed, that he could have beaten MJ 1-on-1, LaVar Ball was 0-for-3 in teaching his own sons how to shoot.
All three have had horrible form, although Lonzo's is finally looking better after NBA coaches from two different organizations have had to re-work it. The Hornets just drafted LaMelo, and he is a wizard with the basketball, but his shooting form is ugly bordering on ridiculous.
I know many middle-school coaches who have taught their players far better shooting form. The great LaVar Ball went oh-fer.
Yet 2 of his 3 sons were top 3 picks in the NBA Draft. I'd love to fail that badly at developing my children into basketball players someday, if that's what my kids desire.
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The Giannis signing should make it easier to recruit another big start to Milwaukee. I think many were reluctant to come, as they thought that Giannis may leave, or that they could recruit Giannis to their team instead.
Now he is a Buck for 5-years, and he can say he isn't going anywhere and they can build a powerhouse in Milwaukee.
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The Giannis signing should make it easier to recruit another big start to Milwaukee. I think many were reluctant to come, as they thought that Giannis may leave, or that they could recruit Giannis to their team instead.
Now he is a Buck for 5-years, and he can say he isn't going anywhere and they can build a powerhouse in Milwaukee.
In theory, yeah. But the cap situation will be tough if they extend Jrue and keep Khris.
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I think Jrue and Khris get two years to figure this out, and if it doesn't work, it will be another rebuild.
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Yet 2 of his 3 sons were top 3 picks in the NBA Draft. I'd love to fail that badly at developing my children into basketball players someday, if that's what my kids desire.
Please show me where I said he "failed" at developing his kids into basketball players.
Two of them are very skilled -- indeed, I said LaMelo is "a wizard with the basketball" -- and the other obviously has talent, too.
What I said is that all three have terrible form on their shots. Nearly every pro scout/coach agrees with that. You disagree? Have you seen what their shots look like?
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Yet 2 of his 3 sons were top 3 picks in the NBA Draft. I'd love to fail that badly at developing my children into basketball players someday, if that's what my kids desire.
Rajon Rondo has proven that if you can pass and defend and rebound as a lanky PG, you can be be an All Star and play in the league for a LONG time. Lonzo is in the same mold. And Melo was a top 3 pick despite endless scrutiny and bias against him being overhyped due to his Dad.
For a guy who brags constantly about how good a basketball player he was/is -- indeed, that he could have beaten MJ 1-on-1, LaVar Ball was 0-for-3 in teaching his own sons how to shoot.
All three have had horrible form, although Lonzo's is finally looking better after NBA coaches from two different organizations have had to re-work it. The Hornets just drafted LaMelo, and he is a wizard with the basketball, but his shooting form is ugly bordering on ridiculous.
I know many middle-school coaches who have taught their players far better shooting form. The great LaVar Ball went oh-fer.
I think Melo ends up being better than his older brother. Here%u2019s my thought, Melo was 5%u20199-5%u201910 when we started seeing all those videos of him scoring absurd amounts of points in HS games. Shooting over people, having to sky jumpers. Then in a VERY short period of time, he%u2019s spiked up to 6%u20198. He can shoot over the top of people and up until this point, was able to get away with a lot because of his athleticism. Both leads to inconsistency.
I read somewhere that he doesn%u2019t have a consistent shooting form and kind of tweaks/plays around with it from shot to shot. Which shows some creativity to his offensive game that clearly matches the rest of his skill set, but doesn%u2019t exactly translate well to the NBA game. He%u2019ll get it sorted out. He was a better shooter than his brothers when he was younger anyways.
And any criticism, minor or even tongue in cheek, about Lavar Ball and his grooming of his sons seems really silly or salty at this point. I%u2019d argue shooting is the easiest core skill to teach or fix. What Lonzo and Melo do otherwise is remarkable. Their basketball IQs are off the charts. With one of 3 brothers being a bum, they still are already in discussions for most successful basketball families of all time...without a pro baller father.
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Kan da Bucks and Lakers now chitkan Giannis' brothers, hey?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/amp/kostas_antetokounmpo_gets_memed_after_brother_giannis_spurns_lakers/s1_127_33576377
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Rajon Rondo has proven that if you can pass and defend and rebound as a lanky PG, you can be be an All Star and play in the league for a LONG time. Lonzo is in the same mold. And Melo was a top 3 pick despite endless scrutiny and bias against him being overhyped due to his Dad.
I think Melo ends up being better than his older brother. Here%u2019s my thought, Melo was 5%u20199-5%u201910 when we started seeing all those videos of him scoring absurd amounts of points in HS games. Shooting over people, having to sky jumpers. Then in a VERY short period of time, he%u2019s spiked up to 6%u20198. He can shoot over the top of people and up until this point, was able to get away with a lot because of his athleticism. Both leads to inconsistency.
I read somewhere that he doesn%u2019t have a consistent shooting form and kind of tweaks/plays around with it from shot to shot. Which shows some creativity to his offensive game that clearly matches the rest of his skill set, but doesn%u2019t exactly translate well to the NBA game. He%u2019ll get it sorted out. He was a better shooter than his brothers when he was younger anyways.
And any criticism, minor or even tongue in cheek, about Lavar Ball and his grooming of his sons seems really silly or salty at this point. I%u2019d argue shooting is the easiest core skill to teach or fix. What Lonzo and Melo do otherwise is remarkable. Their basketball IQs are off the charts. With one of 3 brothers being a bum, they still are already in discussions for most successful basketball families of all time...without a pro baller father.
Fair enough ... though I still wish he could shoot better. Maybe, like Magic (and even Rondo), he'll develop something. You are right about him being a gifted player, though. The highlights I've seen from only his couple exhibition games with the Hornets including 4-5 "Oh wow!" passes.
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Jimmy Butler does not want to be your hero
Really nice piece
https://www.si.com/nba/2020/12/15/jimmy-butler-heat-most-interesting-man-daily-cover
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Jimmy Butler does not want to be your hero
Really nice piece
https://www.si.com/nba/2020/12/15/jimmy-butler-heat-most-interesting-man-daily-cover
Great read. Love JFB
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A testimony to hard work. Knowing his back story and even how some were calling him a wasted scholarship during his first few games at MU makes it even cooler.
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Thanks for posting that. A superbly written article that tells the reader all she or he needs to know about Jimmy.
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Jimmy Butler does not want to be your hero
Really nice piece
https://www.si.com/nba/2020/12/15/jimmy-butler-heat-most-interesting-man-daily-cover
It's a great article. I'd like to think that the writer wanted to make the title of the article, "Jimmy don't give a f---" but SI wouldn't allow it so they went with "Jimmy Butler Does Not Want To Be Your Hero" and just put the DWade quote in the sub-title.
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The best part of JFB, and the reason he’s so popular, especially in NBA writer circles, is his utter authenticity. Sure he can be overly aggressive, sure he can be douchey from some perspectives, but he never catches heat (no pun intended) cause he’s unabashedly himself. At worst, he’s probably guilty of playing up his own reputation and habits, but there’s far worse things. He backs up his talk and his actions. He’s truly one of a kind and easily my fav Marquette NBA player which says a lot when you have a guy like Wade out there
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Jimmy Butler does not want to be your hero
Really nice piece
https://www.si.com/nba/2020/12/15/jimmy-butler-heat-most-interesting-man-daily-cover
Tremendous article. JFB has incredible energy .
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Max Strus (undrafted out of DePaul) has been playing well for the Heat, put up some gaudy numbers last night against the Raptors. Strus had played a minute for the Bulls/Windy City before he was injured last year. Heat picked him up on a two way.
KZ Okpala is turning into a fine young player too. I know it's preseason, but it's fun to watch young guys making a name for themselves. The Heat continue to have a wonderful eye to unproven talent.
(https://i.redd.it/adyiw0pd92661.jpg)
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Max Strus (undrafted out of DePaul) has been playing well for the Heat, put up some gaudy numbers last night against the Raptors. Strus had played a minute for the Bulls/Windy City before he was injured last year. Heat picked him up on a two way.
KZ Okpala is turning into a fine young player too. I know it's preseason, but it's fun to watch young guys making a name for themselves. The Heat continue to have a wonderful eye to unproven talent.
(https://i.redd.it/adyiw0pd92661.jpg)
No idea if Strus will make it or not, but he's a tough kid who is willing to mix it up, and he also can hit 3s, so he has a chance. And he is with an organization that sees talent and develops those who weren't top-5 picks and/or weren't drafted.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CJATVl8p2R4/?igshid=x9fdhoavyjds
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Max Strus (undrafted out of DePaul) has been playing well for the Heat, put up some gaudy numbers last night against the Raptors. Strus had played a minute for the Bulls/Windy City before he was injured last year. Heat picked him up on a two way.
Strus is surprising that he’s sticking a bit. He’s a good shooter, but doesn’t have great size and he’s not that athletic, but kudos to putting in the work.
Speaking of surprising, Sean McDermott from Butler is on a two way with the Grizzlies and getting A LOT of time in the preseason. Dude wasn’t at all impressive to me in college and he’s old, 24 already. But the NBA has shown you can never have enough shooting
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Bucks losing a second round pick in 2022 thanks to the Bogdan $hit$how.
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Bucks losing a second round pick in 2022 thanks to the Bogdan $hit$how.
Pretty ridiculous in my opinion, unless they’ll be going after the Lakers, Clippers, and Nets for tampering over the last year. Also, Giannis said he showed the Bucks the recruiting texts he’s received from players.
Everyone does it. Were the Bucks so much more blatant than others?
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Pretty ridiculous in my opinion, unless they’ll be going after the Lakers, Clippers, and Nets for tampering over the last year. Also, Giannis said he showed the Bucks the recruiting texts he’s received from players.
Everyone does it. Were the Bucks so much more blatant than others?
It could be related to the fact that he was still a restricted free agent versus unrestricted. No idea though.
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Let’s also be honest, the Bucks are never going to get a benefit of the doubt or break more than an LA or NY team, just is what it is
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Whoops, meant to post in the NFL thread
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I would give up a 2nd round pick to not have to give Luke Kennard that contract
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NBA GMs picked Charlotte's LaMelo Ball as favorite to win rookie of the year.
During the preseason, he averaged 8.5 points, 5 rebounds, 3.8 assists and 3.5 turnovers. He shot 26.2% from the field.
Given what I heard about him, those numbers were expected. He is a gifted passer but he is flashy and often tries difficult passes, which helps explain the high TOs. And, like his older brothers, he comes into the NBA with poor shooting form. Here's hoping these weaknesses improve as he gains experience and as he receives NBA-level instruction.
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heartbreak
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Middleton not setting up a 2 for 1 on the Bucks second to last possession was bafflingly stupid. Jrue twice tried to get Middleton into the offense and Middleton waved him off. Jrue just threw his hands up like “okay?”
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Jrue is obviously a massive upgrade. Loved what I saw from him.
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Middleton not setting up a 2 for 1 on the Bucks second to last possession was bafflingly stupid. Jrue twice tried to get Middleton into the offense and Middleton waved him off. Jrue just threw his hands up like “okay?”
I was screaming at my TV like “WTF”. It could be recency bias, but I feel like Middleton has often made some baffling decisions on 2 for 1 opportunities. I remember a game last year where they had the ball with about 40 seconds left, he brought it up, sat on it outside the arc, and then fired a missed 3 with about 26 seconds on the clock. Like wha?!
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Jrue is obviously a massive upgrade. Loved what I saw from him.
He is very, very good. One of the more underrated players in the NBA. I think he’ll be the Bucks best player come Playoff time when games are decided in the half court.
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Why are the Bucks wearing surplus circa 1995 Cleveland Cavs unis?
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Why are the Bucks wearing surplus circa 1995 Cleveland Cavs unis?
Yeah, and when did they switch to two-tone blue as their team colors? It's always been green with red or dark gold trim.
Might just as well list the team colors as ROY G. BIV.... ::)
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In other news, I have a serious man crush on Jrue. Guy absolutely swallows people up on defense and controls pace like no Bucks point guard in my life ever has. And, from all accounts, is an awesome, awesome guy.
If DDV stays healthy I think he’ll be “good enough” at the 2. He works his ass off defensively and has the confidence needed offensively.
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In other news, I have a serious man crush on Jrue. Guy absolutely swallows people up on defense and controls pace like no Bucks point guard in my life ever has. And, from all accounts, is an awesome, awesome guy.
If DDV stays healthy I think he’ll be “good enough” at the 2. He works his ass off defensively and has the confidence needed offensively.
My first time watching them this year and really like the new guys. Portis is going to be a sneaky good pickup. Augustin looked good and Forbes with some nice 3 pointers. Donte looked better too.
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Yeah, and when did they switch to two-tone blue as their team colors? It's always been green with red or dark gold trim.
Might just as well list the team colors as ROY G. BIV.... ::)
Every team has their “city” uniform. The Heat’s colors aren’t Miami Vice style neon pink and turquoise. The Lakers are wearing light blue. Denver had rainbow colors in the past and now a city uniform that is red and orange. It’s meant to be an unrelated alternate Jersey related to something about the team or their city. The Bucks wore a MECCA-floor uniform 2 years ago, this isn’t a new thing. No different than Marquette wearing black or turquoise in certain games. It’s marketing and merchandising. Soccer teams have been wearing road kits and “3rd” kits for years that don’t follow a very conventional color palette. Having only 2 jerseys both related to your “team colors” hasn’t been common in most leagues for a long time.
And if you want to be particular, the Bucks were purple and green for a long time in the 90s and 2000s before returning to the green and red/gold
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Every team has their “city” uniform. The Heat’s colors aren’t Miami Vice style neon pink and turquoise. The Lakers are wearing light blue. Denver had rainbow colors in the past and now a city uniform that is red and orange. It’s meant to be an unrelated alternate Jersey related to something about the team or their city. The Bucks wore a MECCA-floor uniform 2 years ago, this isn’t a new thing. No different than Marquette wearing black or turquoise in certain games. It’s marketing and merchandising. Soccer teams have been wearing road kits and “3rd” kits for years that don’t follow a very conventional color palette. Having only 2 jerseys both related to your “team colors” hasn’t been common in most leagues for a long time.
And if you want to be particular, the Bucks were purple and green for a long time in the 90s and 2000s before returning to the green and red/gold
Kind of figured it was something about selling jerseys. And yeah – I forgot about the purple era.
Anything for a buck…
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Every team has their “city” uniform. The Heat’s colors aren’t Miami Vice style neon pink and turquoise. The Lakers are wearing light blue. Denver had rainbow colors in the past and now a city uniform that is red and orange. It’s meant to be an unrelated alternate Jersey related to something about the team or their city. The Bucks wore a MECCA-floor uniform 2 years ago, this isn’t a new thing. No different than Marquette wearing black or turquoise in certain games. It’s marketing and merchandising. Soccer teams have been wearing road kits and “3rd” kits for years that don’t follow a very conventional color palette. Having only 2 jerseys both related to your “team colors” hasn’t been common in most leagues for a long time.
And if you want to be particular, the Bucks were purple and green for a long time in the 90s and 2000s before returning to the green and red/gold
We all know that.
The Cream City were awesome. Liked the MECCA floor unis. These are garbage. 1995 Cleveland Cavs surplus sale
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We all know that.
The Cream City were awesome. Liked the MECCA floor unis. These are garbage. 1995 Cleveland Cavs surplus sale
Clearly “we all” don’t as Goo took it to mean the Bucks changed their colors all together.
That being said they are terrible. Boring, unimaginative, and with lame significance. Especially disappointing as they are a hot team in the league right now and so many other teams have amazing City uniforms
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I loved Milwaukee's alternate blue jerseys. Way cool.
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Here is a breakdown of all the NBA players by college. MU has 5 (Kentucky leads with 31, including four players on the Knicks).
https://www.si.com/college/unc/basketball/ncaa-division-i-nba-representation-202021
What caught my eye is Bucky has one player in the NBA, Frank Kaminsky. And he was cut by Sacramento last week and picked up by Phoenix. He was not in Uni for their first game (their second game is tonight).
So Bucky is close to having no NBA players.
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Here is a breakdown of all the NBA players by college. MU has 5 (Kentucky leads with 31, including four players on the Knicks).
https://www.si.com/college/unc/basketball/ncaa-division-i-nba-representation-202021
What caught my eye is Bucky has one player in the NBA, Frank Kaminsky. And he was cut by Sacramento last week and picked up by Phoenix. He was not in Uni for their first game (their second game is tonight).
So Bucky is close to having no NBA players.
As long as Gard or a Bo Ryan disciple is at the helm, this won’t change regardless of the success of the program. It’s diametrically opposed to the style and needs of the NBA game in both style of play and type of player.
Kaminsky would be out of the league if he was 2-3 inches shorter. He’s good enough shooter at 7 feet to stick around but he’s never gonna be a real rotation player again.
Dekker was unlucky with injuries, but he just wasn’t athletic enough to overcome the fact that he was an exceedingly mediocre shooter from distance when he was still in the league. He’s playing in Turkey and will continue to get nice paychecks at that level for years.
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Here is a breakdown of all the NBA players by college. MU has 5 (Kentucky leads with 31, including four players on the Knicks).
https://www.si.com/college/unc/basketball/ncaa-division-i-nba-representation-202021
What caught my eye is Bucky has one player in the NBA, Frank Kaminsky. And he was cut by Sacramento last week and picked up by Phoenix. He was not in Uni for their first game (their second game is tonight).
So Bucky is close to having no NBA players.
I’ll take their two recent Final Four banners over having NBA players any day.
They have three fifth year seniors starting. Trice is 24. While we may have upset them they’ll make a tourney run while we’ll hope to make it to the second round fir the first time since before their Final Four runs.
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As long as Gard or a Bo Ryan disciple is at the helm, this won’t change regardless of the success of the program. It’s diametrically opposed to the style and needs of the NBA game in both style of play and type of player.
Kaminsky would be out of the league if he was 2-3 inches shorter. He’s good enough shooter at 7 feet to stick around but he’s never gonna be a real rotation player again.
Dekker was unlucky with injuries, but he just wasn’t athletic enough to overcome the fact that he was an exceedingly mediocre shooter from distance when he was still in the league. He’s playing in Turkey and will continue to get nice paychecks at that level for years.
Dis iz y Herro opted out, aina?
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Dallas up on the Clippers, 77-27 at the half.
No, that isn’t a typo. I had to do a double take when I saw the score.
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Dallas up on the Clippers, 77-27 at the half.
No, that isn’t a typo. I had to do a double take when I saw the score.
No Kawhi. But thats obviously still an insane score. 27 first half pts in the NBA is pretty damn hard to pull off.
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Clips not on a back to back, playing at home. That first half was something. Looked like the end of games when anxious backups miss everything short or way off due to nerves or jitters. It was a breathtaking display of garbage basketball. If you told me one team scored 77 and the total for the half was under 105, id call you a liar
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Bucks giving up 130 to a Knicks team on the second half of a back to back was eye opening.
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Bucks giving up 130 to a Knicks team on the second half of a back to back was eye opening.
Not really. It’s early season NBA basketball.
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Not really. It’s early season NBA basketball.
Plus a lot of new guys to work into that system. That cant continue though, Yikes.
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Bud's already sold hiz Fox Point crib. Hiz ass has gotta bee feelin' da heet, aina?
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Did TNT just change over to live look ins around the league because the Bucks-Heat game is too much of a blowout? I’ve never seen TNT do that before.
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Giannis the only Buck not to make a 3.
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Bud's already sold hiz Fox Point crib. Hiz ass has gotta bee feelin' da heet, aina?
Yeah. You’re a smart one. ;D
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Giannis the only Buck not to make a 3.
Gets his huge contract and he’s already mailing it in , SMDH
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Interesting trend that teams that are getting torched aren’t on the second end of back to backs. Weird to see so many 30-50 point blowouts handed to decent to above average teams.
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The Bucks are 2-2 with a 20 point loss this year and they still have a scoring margin of +16.25 points per game.
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The Bucks are 2-2 with a 20 point loss this year and they still have a scoring margin of +16.25 points per game.
To be expected.
This is a whole new team. I believe 10 of the top 15 guys in minutes played last year are gone. Takes a while for a new team to get up to speed.
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To be expected.
This is a whole new team. I believe 10 of the top 15 guys in minutes played last year are gone. Takes a while for a new team to get up to speed.
Agreed. Still, that scoring margin is pretty incredible for a 2-2 team.
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Interesting trend that teams that are getting torched aren’t on the second end of back to backs. Weird to see so many 30-50 point blowouts handed to decent to above average teams.
My rough take is that without training camps there is some lacking team chemistry and understanding. That leads to not only flat starts, but a lack of cohesive fight to claw back when you fall behind early. I think it’s been interesting that not just are the blowouts happening, the losing team just goes onto cruise control insanely early. You look at the Pelicans last night, they might as well have stayed in the locker room for the second half. You’re not even getting garbage scoring
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My rough take is that without training camps there is some lacking team chemistry and understanding. That leads to not only flat starts, but a lack of cohesive fight to claw back when you fall behind early. I think it’s been interesting that not just are the blowouts happening, the losing team just goes onto cruise control insanely early. You look at the Pelicans last night, they might as well have stayed in the locker room for the second half. You’re not even getting garbage scoring
Well said.
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3 things of note in tonight’s Lakers-Spurs game:
1. Pop gets ejected, so Becky Hammond becomes the first woman to coach an NBA team (or any team from big 4 men’s sports).
2. LeBron becomes only player in NBA history to score in double digits in 1,000 consecutive games.
3. Wes Matthews, who had yet to make a 3 this season, went 6-for-6 from downtown.
Good stuff!
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NBA viewers watched 81.5 hours of live games on ESPN, TNT and ABC in the opening week of the season, up 95% from opening week last season.
While that is encouraging for the league and its network partners, it needs to be noted that this year's opening week included Xmas, traditionally a strong day for NBA viewership.
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NBA viewers watched 81.5 hours of live games on ESPN, TNT and ABC in the opening week of the season, up 95% from opening week last season.
While that is encouraging for the league and its network partners, it needs to be noted that this year's opening week included Xmas, traditionally a strong day for NBA viewership.
Could this also have to do with the shortened season? I mean suddenly games meaning more than usual could be a factor in viewership.
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I doubt it. I think its completely an apples to oranges comparison due to when the first weeks of the season are being held. The NBA is getting great mileage out of a completely useless comparison.
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Anyhoo ... how 'bout that Becky Hammon?
For me, it's a lot more significant than Vanderbilt's kicker ... and I thought that was cool, too.
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Anyhoo ... how 'bout that Becky Hammon?
For me, it's a lot more significant than Vanderbilt's kicker ... and I thought that was cool, too.
No disrespect to Fuller, but this is a monumentally larger deal. We’ve been over the fluke nature of that situation, but Hammond has been on the bench with Pop for 6-7 seasons. There are a number of female assistant coaches in the NBA now, but Hammon blazed the path for all of them. Most were women’s coaches who got the gig in some fashion, Hammon literally jumped right in during her last season playing. She’s an incredible role model and is very likely gonna be an NBA head coach in the next few years which is remarkable.
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Hammon interviewed for the Bucks gig when Bud got the job.
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Anyhoo ... how 'bout that Becky Hammon?
For me, it's a lot more significant than Vanderbilt's kicker ... and I thought that was cool, too.
Awesome milestone! Hopefully she gets her chance for a full-time HC gig soon.
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Anyhoo ... how 'bout that Becky Hammon?
For me, it's a lot more significant than Vanderbilt's kicker ... and I thought that was cool, too.
I think it's pretty cool and look forward to seeing her as an NBA Head Coach in the future.
Speaking of Fuller, Marquette Women's Basketball played at Belmont the day after a Vandy football game and had a view of the field from their hotel room - fun tweet from Chloe Marotta - https://twitter.com/ChloeMarotta/status/1337904500980506624
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Awesome milestone! Hopefully she gets her chance for a full-time HC gig soon.
I feel she’s being her time for the Spurs job.
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Bucks declined Ersan’s option, who is still a free agent now, and now have Thenasis playing meaningful minutes every night.
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Also, does Bud realize he can stagger starters and backups? Wednesday night he lets 4 backups and Donte give up an 11-0 run to end the first quarter. Tonight he lets 4 backups and Middleton give up a 7-0 run late in the first.
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Bucks declined Ersan’s option, who is still a free agent now, and now have Thenasis playing meaningful minutes every night.
Literally just came here to say “Giannis already re-signed...so why is TA playing double digit minutes, he is awful.” Like he looks like the bad version of Rookie Giannis except he’s 28, not 18, and he has no flashes of greatness. I like when he gets near the rim and kind of chucks a brick off the backboard cause he has no feel or touch at all
Also, does Bud realize he can stagger starters and backups? Wednesday night he lets 4 backups and Donte give up an 11-0 run to end the first quarter. Tonight he lets 4 backups and Middleton give up a 7-0 run late in the first.
Oh you didn’t enjoy scoring 2 points in the last 4 min against a Bulls team that is allergic to defense with a lineup of Portis, Augustin, TA and a passive Middleton?
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Literally just came here to say “Giannis already re-signed...so why is TA playing double digit minutes, he is awful.” Like he looks like the bad version of Rookie Giannis except he’s 28, not 18, and he has no flashes of greatness. I like when he gets near the rim and kind of chucks a brick off the backboard cause he has no feel or touch at all
Oh you didn’t enjoy scoring 2 points in the last 4 min against a Bulls team that is allergic to defense with a lineup of Portis, Augustin, TA and a passive Middleton?
Honestly Jamil Wilson is SIGNIFICANTLY better than Thenasis. Heck, Henry is much better than him.
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By the way, Donte is averaging 14 points, 3.4 rebounds, 1.4 assists, and 1.8 steals while shooting 54% from the field and 62% from 3, and Bud is only playing him 24 minutes per game. Meanwhile Pat C is playing 18 minutes per game.
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I’d be interested to see how covid spreads around the NBA. Bulls down 4 players due to the covid protocol, not necessarily all positive but at least in close contact with someone who was positive. But the rest of the team is out there playing. Would be interested to see if any of the players on the court tonight test positive in the next couple of days. And then if the Bucks suddenly have cases coming up. I’m sure these things are all being studied.
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Y duzant #34 just stuff his free throws from da line, hey?
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We’ve talked a decent amount about the fairly poor level of basketball in the NBA this season, specifically with regard to blowouts, and the likelihood that no training camps/short off seasons played a role. Well on that same note, it’s a bit empirical, but 4th quarters have been HORRIFIC. Ugly, sloppy basketball. And not just with backups. I’ve watched a half dozen games over the last few days where teams were scoring on a pretty good 55ish PPQ clip...and then throw up like 30, 35 in the 4th. It’s bizarre and awful to watch. And it’s not teams tightening up D down the stretch, cause it’s happening pretty early on. Warriors Blazers tonight, for example, has been really fun. 98-80 after 3...they’ve combined for 12 points halfway through the 4th. It’s an over bettor wasteland
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I think we are going to be in for a lot of bad NBA basketball this year. The off season was too short, no training camp, lack of fans, etc. It will limp along for most of the season before a ho-hum playoffs IMO.
Contrast this to the NFL which I think has had a pretty good season quality wise. No offseason program. Limited training camp. No preseason games. So I know its silly to compare the two, but maybe its a function of time off.
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Y duzant #34 just stuff his free throws from da line, hey?
You are old enough to remember they used to ask the same question about Wilt.
He was a 51% FT shooter, so the most amazing thing about his 100-point game was that he went 28-of-32 from the line.
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You are old enough to remember they used to ask the same question about Wilt.
He was a 51% FT shooter, so the most amazing thing about his 100-point game was that he went 28-of-32 from the line.
Second most amazing thing about the game was there is absolutely no film of the game.
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Conspiracy!
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Back then, the NBA was about as followed as the G-League is today. So it actually would have been surprising had there been television cameras in Hershey, PA that day.
That, or it was staged by the Capricorn One people!
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I think we are going to be in for a lot of bad NBA basketball this year. The off season was too short, no training camp, lack of fans, etc. It will limp along for most of the season before a ho-hum playoffs IMO.
Contrast this to the NFL which I think has had a pretty good season quality wise. No offseason program. Limited training camp. No preseason games. So I know its silly to compare the two, but maybe its a function of time off.
The NFL will never go back to OTF’s or four preseason games after this year. The NFLPA is going to get what they wanted thanks to COVID.
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The NFL will never go back to OTF’s or four preseason games after this year. The NFLPA is going to get what they wanted thanks to COVID.
Good. There is NOTHING worse than NFL exhibition games. If you get season tickets, they make you pay full price for those 2 effen home games that are worse than getting stabbed in the eye with an ice pick.
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Good. There is NOTHING worse than NFL exhibition games. If you get season tickets, they make you pay full price for those 2 effen home games that are worse than getting stabbed in the eye with an ice pick.
I don't have season tickets for any team - I just hate the NFL preseason. I'd love to see a reduction of exhibition games.
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Good. There is NOTHING worse than NFL exhibition games. If you get season tickets, they make you pay full price for those 2 effen home games that are worse than getting stabbed in the eye with an ice pick.
Season tickets aside, they are often a great situation if you live in a cold weather climate. I’ve been to half a dozen Bears games over the last decade. 3 were preseason and were 3 of the 4 best experiences, outside a season opener and narrowly ahead of a November game where we were in the United Club seats. Vastly cheaper on the secondary market, enjoy watching football on a warm summer day...beats the hell out of paying through the nose to sit in frigid temps. I would love to go to a Super Bowl where the Bears are playing, but otherwise I’m ok never paying for NFL tickets again, it’s way better on TV (unlike basketball and baseball).
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I don't have season tickets for any team - I just hate the NFL preseason. I'd love to see a reduction of exhibition games.
Agree with all of this. I'd love to see a reduction to zero.
Season tickets aside, they are often a great situation if you live in a cold weather climate. I’ve been to half a dozen Bears games over the last decade. 3 were preseason and were 3 of the 4 best experiences, outside a season opener and narrowly ahead of a November game where we were in the United Club seats. Vastly cheaper on the secondary market, enjoy watching football on a warm summer day...beats the hell out of paying through the nose to sit in frigid temps. I would love to go to a Super Bowl where the Bears are playing, but otherwise I’m ok never paying for NFL tickets again, it’s way better on TV (unlike basketball and baseball).
Glad you enjoyed it. I'd rather just sit on an outdoor patio at one of my favorite breweries with a group of friends. Different strokes, and all that.
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In a 1-2 possession game, the Mavs missed their last 7 3P attempts, plus a travel trying to maneuver for another that likely would have missed. My god most of these games are awful. The Clips pulled out a win against the Suns, but Leonard was horrible and they went 4 min without scoring down the last 5 min of the game.
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Steph went off.
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Agree with all of this. I'd love to see a reduction to zero.
Glad you enjoyed it. I'd rather just sit on an outdoor patio at one of my favorite breweries with a group of friends. Different strokes, and all that.
Ewe have friends, hey?
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Ewe have friends, hey?
Only on Scoop. We watching the UConn game at my place or yours?
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Ur always welcome kin, hey?
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Steph is back and it is fun.
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Steph is back and it is fun.
Some idiots tried to downplay it but this pass is unreal
https://twitter.com/bradyklopfernba/status/1347771640520667137?s=21
One of the things that made me love him as a player watching the 2013 playoffs, back before he exploded, was his passing. He’s the best shooter ever, but he is an ABSURD passer with flair and vision
Speaking of passing, Melo Ball with the resounding victory in the first battle of the Ball brothers. Shot was a bit shaky early on, but an assist away from a triple double in a huge come from behind victory on the road where his brother struggled. Dude is a star in the making
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Some idiots tried to downplay it but this pass is unreal
https://twitter.com/bradyklopfernba/status/1347771640520667137?s=21
Speaking of passing, Melo Ball with the resounding victory in the first battle of the Ball brothers. Shot was a bit shaky early on, but an assist away from a triple double in a huge come from behind victory on the road where his brother struggled. Dude is a star in the making
The streaming service I use does not carry the local sports channel, so on Friday I got what might be my only chance to see the Hornets all season. It was the only Charlotte game either ESPN or TNT is scheduled to show, although if the Hornets contend in the second half of the season that could change.
I was incredibly impressed with LaMelo. Watching an entire game, rather than just a minute of highlights on Sportscenter, I could see that he had an amazing feel for the game. For one thing, he is a gifted rebounder with a Rodman-like knack for knowing how the ball will bounce off the rim. Offensively, everything seems to come very easily for him ... except his shot, which is unorthodox and needs work.
Yep, he vastly outplayed Lonzo, who almost always settled for being outside the 3-point arc, both as a shooter and passer. This was a stark contrast to LaMelo, who regularly drove the lane to set up scoring opportunities for himself and his teammates.
Also as you mentioned, LaMelo was only an assist shy of a triple-double ... and he came back the next night against Atlanta and got it by going 22-12-11 in 31 minutes. He is the youngest player in NBA history to record one.
I can see why preseason GM and coaches' polls predicted he'd be rookie of the year. I hope I get to see him play a few more times this season!
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The hope is that the Regional Sports Networks will become their own streaming service soon. I think they will need to do that to survive.
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The hope is that the Regional Sports Networks will become their own streaming service soon. I think they will need to do that to survive.
I like that idea, especially if they have reasonable a la carte options.
And it's not just for locals like me who'd like to watch the Hornets. People move around. The person who lives in Phoenix might be a huge Bulls-Blackhawks-Cubs-White Sox fan. It would be nice if that person had an opportunity to pay $8.95/mo (or whatever) for the Chicago RSN.
I like it, brand. Here's hopin' it happens.
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Bogdan with a fractured knee.
[teal]Bucks dodged a bullet there [/teal]
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Bogdan with a fractured knee.
[teal]Bucks dodged a bullet there [/teal]
Still early, but DDV has been the better player this year as it is.
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Heat v Celtics cancelled. Not enough players due to covid protocols (Heat have fewer than the minimum 8 players).
Bring back the bubble!
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Heat v Celtics cancelled. Not enough players due to covid protocols (Heat have fewer than the minimum 8 players).
Bring back the bubble!
I’m not sure you’d get the buy-in from the players. It sounded like things inside were not that much fun. To do that for a longer period of time with more teams would be even tougher.
I think the bubble only comes back if it’s cancelling the season or bubble. Then paychecks would be threatened.
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Heat v Celtics cancelled. Not enough players due to covid protocols (Heat have fewer than the minimum 8 players).
Bring back the bubble!
Now Pelicans v Mavericks and Celtics v Bulls cancelled too....
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James Harden to the Nets for four 1sts and more.
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Will Kyrie stop pouting now?
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Will Kyrie stop pouting now?
Never.
He is who he is.
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Will Kyrie stop pouting now?
I hope he comes back soon. I think him breaking up the locker room is the only way the Nets don't win the East.
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I don't know how this works with Kyrie in the mix, but we'll see.
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It's a four-team deal.
Rockets: Victor Oladipo, Dante Exum, Rodions Kurucs, 3 BKN first-rounders (22, 24, 26), 1 MIL first (22, unprotected), 4 BKN 1st round swaps (21, 23, 25, 27)
Nets: James Harden
Pacers: Caris LeVert, 2nd-rounder
Cavs: Jarrett Allen, Taurean Prince
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It's a four-team deal.
Rockets: Victor Oladipo, Dante Exum, Rodions Kurucs, 3 BKN first-rounders (22, 24, 26), 1 MIL first (22, unprotected), 4 BKN 1st round swaps (21, 23, 25, 27)
Nets: James Harden
Pacers: Caris LeVert, 2nd-rounder
Cavs: Jarrett Allen, Taurean Prince
Honestly, this is as close to a win win as you can get for almost everyone.
Nets wanted Harden.
Rockets get Dipo, who really wanted out of Indy, a ton of picks, and Exum who is still only 25, is finally healthy and has tons of upside and can play under Wall and learn from him.
Pacers get a replacement for Dipo in Lavert who is a similar kind of player. They showed last night what a tough team they have, and hopefully it improves chemistry.
And the Cavs, just for playing along, move a guard from a crowded backcourt and get a solid complimentary player in Prince and one of the best young big men in the league in Allen.
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I hope he comes back soon. I think him breaking up the locker room is the only way the Nets don't win the East.
He's always been a team first guy.
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Honestly, this is as close to a win win as you can get for almost everyone.
Nets wanted Harden.
Rockets get Dipo, who really wanted out of Indy, a ton of picks, and Exum who is still only 25, is finally healthy and has tons of upside and can play under Wall and learn from him.
Pacers get a replacement for Dipo in Lavert who is a similar kind of player. They showed last night what a tough team they have, and hopefully it improves chemistry.
And the Cavs, just for playing along, move a guard from a crowded backcourt and get a solid complimentary player in Prince and one of the best young big men in the league in Allen.
Besides Houston, the Pacers are the big winner here. They get an equivalent to Oladipo in LeVert who is cheaper and has two more years left on his deal after this year.
Brooklyn trading bunch of unprotected picks. Shades of the KG/Pierce trade in 2013. How did that work out again, Brooklyn?
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One thing I don't understand about the NBA Covid protocal, when a team doesn't have 8 players why can't they call up someone like Vander or Buycks who are staying in shape and ready to play? Seems like there would be plenty of guys like that out there.
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Besides Houston, the Pacers are the big winner here. They get an equivalent to Oladipo in LeVert who is cheaper and has two more years left on his deal after this year.
Brooklyn trading bunch of unprotected picks. Shades of the KG/Pierce trade in 2013. How did that work out again, Brooklyn?
Harden is in his prime. KG and Pierce were not. And these Nets were better before the trade than those Nets were. The Nets are totally stacked. Just up to whether Kyrie and Harden can coexist.
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Harden is in his prime. KG and Pierce were not. And these Nets were better before the trade than those Nets were. The Nets are totally stacked. Just up to whether Kyrie and Harden can coexist.
Dude is a specimen (from last night).
(https://blacksportsonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/James-Harden-Fat.jpg)
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Dude is a specimen (from last night).
(https://blacksportsonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/James-Harden-Fat.jpg)
Harden is always hard to gauge fitness cause even at his peak fitness he’s got that Paul Pierce/Chris Paul soft borderline pudge arm look going. The jokes about him wearing a fat suit to force a trade were hilarious today tho
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Personally I think this is the end of the Nets. Between Harden's me me me, Durant's poutyness and Kyrie's bi-polarishness, that team is done.
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Never.
He is who he is.
I think that when it's all said and done, winning a championship with Kyrie on the roster might prove to be LeBron's single greatest accomplishment.
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I think that when it's all said and done, winning a championship with Kyrie on the roster might prove to be LeBron's single greatest accomplishment.
Except they don’t win that title without Kyrie being unreal. Beyond the sublime winning shot in Game 7, if he doesn’t go supernova alongside Lebron in Game 5 and add 26 in Game 7, they don’t it pull it off. Lebron fans love acting like he carried Kyrie or overcame him. But that was hardly the case, and he didn’t get fully wacky until he left Cleveland.
As for the Lebron leadership angle, he and Kyrie clearly didn’t get along and according to my friends in Cleveland close to the franchise, Channing Frye and Kevin Love were the ones who helped guide and get all they could out of Kyrie
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Except they don’t win that title without Kyrie being unreal. Beyond the sublime winning shot in Game 7, if he doesn’t go supernova alongside Lebron in Game 5 and add 26 in Game 7, they don’t it pull it off. Lebron fans love acting like he carried Kyrie or overcame him. But that was hardly the case, and he didn’t get fully wacky until he left Cleveland.
As for the Lebron leadership angle, he and Kyrie clearly didn’t get along and according to my friends in Cleveland close to the franchise, Channing Frye and Kevin Love were the ones who helped guide and get all they could out of Kyrie
Absolutely. I think Kyrie is an incredible player. I also think they would have won another title the year before if Kyrie hadn't gotten injured.
I was just making a joke about Kyrie's widely-discussed tendency to create some locker room challenges.
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Cleveland was one Draymond Greene suspension away from showing the same futility as the Buffalo Bills.
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Assuming full health for both rosters Cleveland probably wins in 14-15 and GS probably wins in 15-16.
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Except they don’t win that title without Kyrie being unreal. Beyond the sublime winning shot in Game 7, if he doesn’t go supernova alongside Lebron in Game 5 and add 26 in Game 7, they don’t it pull it off. Lebron fans love acting like he carried Kyrie or overcame him. But that was hardly the case, and he didn’t get fully wacky until he left Cleveland.
As for the Lebron leadership angle, he and Kyrie clearly didn’t get along and according to my friends in Cleveland close to the franchise, Channing Frye and Kevin Love were the ones who helped guide and get all they could out of Kyrie
This.
But Kyrie seems toxic now. It's gonna be interesting in Brooklyn.
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#34 is a joke at the free throw line. MVP, my ass, aina?
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#34 is a joke at the free throw line. MVP, my ass, aina?
1-10 is a problem. It's strange because he shot over 70% early in his career.
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1-10 is a problem. It's strange because he shot over 70% early in his career.
All his shooting percentages have trended upwards the last few years....except FT. It’s bizarre indeed
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#34 is a joke at the free throw line. MVP, my ass, aina?
What is it with you and Giannis?
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Giannis' best basketball attributes are his height and length. He is a "freak of nature" because of the things he's capable of doing on the basketball floor, given those measurables. For all his "at the end of the day, its about getting better" rhetoric, I don't see it materializing. He's not a great shooter, nor a great passer. Yes, he's a great defender and rebounder. I don't see him exhibiting a high basketball IQ. Lock yourself in a gym each day and shoot 1000 free throws. You can just see it in his face that he has no confidence in free throw shooting, especially with the game on the line. He'll never win a championship as the alpha dog. Needs more talent surrounding him to take the pressure off his game. That's when he can excel.
I can't stand LBJ, on and off the court. But, from a pure basketball standpoint, even at age 36, he's the best overall basketball player on the planet, and its not even close, hey?
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LBJ is a better player yes.
But I just don't think you can shoot yourself into a being a better shooter. If you don't have the touch, you can only do so much. Giannis is a very efficient player and one of the best defenders in the NBA. And winning a championship isn't easy. If he wins one, he will be the alpha dog on that team. I mean, there are only a couple players in the league who are arguably better.
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FT are in his head now and a confidence issue. He shot 72% or better 5 straight seasons, then fell to 63% last year and under 60% this year. He’s clearly capable of much better from the line because he’s done it consistently, but it’s snowballed and his confidence is shot.
It’s a real problem for the Bucks to make a title run. He’s their best player obviously and will be there a ton how he plays.
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Giannis sucks. He’ll never be any good. If he’s gonna keep sucking, the Bucks should punish him by trading him to the Hornets for a second-round draft pick. That’ll show him!
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Honestly, even though it’s close, that was an ugly first half of basketball in Brooklyn. 6 made FGs in the last 5 min of the second. Gross
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Quite the big IF
But if Kyrie can at least semi screw his head on. Nets gonna be pretty unstoppable.
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Giannis' best basketball attributes are his height and length. He is a "freak of nature" because of the things he's capable of doing on the basketball floor, given those measurables. For all his "at the end of the day, its about getting better" rhetoric, I don't see it materializing. He's not a great shooter, nor a great passer. Yes, he's a great defender and rebounder. I don't see him exhibiting a high basketball IQ. Lock yourself in a gym each day and shoot 1000 free throws. You can just see it in his face that he has no confidence in free throw shooting, especially with the game on the line. He'll never win a championship as the alpha dog. Needs more talent surrounding him to take the pressure off his game. That's when he can excel.
I can't stand LBJ, on and off the court. But, from a pure basketball standpoint, even at age 36, he's the best overall basketball player on the planet, and its not even close, hey?
Giannis is a career 72% FT shooter. Lebron is a career 73% FT shooter.
Should the "best player on the planet and it's not even close" lock himself in the gym each day too?
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Giannis is a career 72% FT shooter. Lebron is a career 73% FT shooter.
Should the "best player on the planet and it's not even close" lock himself in the gym each day too?
Giannis free throw shooting in a small sample does appear to be badly plummeting and has I think been terrible throughout his playoff career.
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Giannis free throw shooting in a small sample does appear to be badly plummeting and has I think been terrible throughout his playoff career.
63%, but was 70% in the playoffs in 2018. Yes it’s bad, but FWIW, to the previous point, you don’t want Lebron shooting FTs in critical moments either.
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63%, but was 70% in the playoffs in 2018. Yes it’s bad, but FWIW, to the previous point, you don’t want Lebron shooting FTs in critical moments either.
I might be looking wrong but I see GIannis playoff free throw% as follows
73.9, 54.3, 69.1, 63.7 and 58% in order. So his first year was the only real strong one. 62.7% average for his playoff career. I believe Lebron is actually slightly better in playoffs than regular season at like 74%.
You are definitely right though that LeBron isnt some guy make it a point to have at the line.
My comment was more so just to show that I can see where the free throw comment came from. Recency bias(Giannis has been declining) or strictly in playoffs(basically what a casual viewer like myself mostly sees) point towards him needing to work at it.
As a more casual viewer who only watches big games and playoffs, I probably woulda had a similar take on Giannis at the line as that poster.
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Last nights game was fun. A series of Bucks + Nets would be amazing.
Bucks had plenty of chances to win the game and you arent going to stop Harden/Durant. Can only hope to contain the supporting players which Bucks did not do (Harris had a great shooting night which is very unlikely to happen consistently).
I like Bucks chances in a 7 game series. The Nets had no answer for the Giannis/Khris p&r. Granted, Bucks had no answer to Durant pullups and Harden floaters. So it comes down to the bench and role players, and I think Bucks have a better of the two but a slim margin.
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Last nights game was fun. A series of Bucks + Nets would be amazing.
Bucks had plenty of chances to win the game and you arent going to stop Harden/Durant. Can only hope to contain the supporting players which Bucks did not do (Harris had a great shooting night which is very unlikely to happen consistently).
I like Bucks chances in a 7 game series. The Nets had no answer for the Giannis/Khris p&r. Granted, Bucks had no answer to Durant pullups and Harden floaters. So it comes down to the bench and role players, and I think Bucks have a better of the two but a slim margin.
Harris shoots like that every night. The Nets are a terrible matchup for the Bucks for a number of reasons. The biggest being they have their big just stand under the hoop on defense and Harden will hit 20 floaters a game plus get Jordan on the lob 5 more times, and KD will get into pick and rolls with Jordan and hit the midrange pull-up 20 times a game.
The Bucks only real chance against the Nets in a 7 game series would be Kyrie blowing up the locker room or Bud being canned and a new defensive system being implemented. That defensive system will get abused by the Nets. The Bucks have absolutely incredible on ball defenders on the perimeter in Jrue and Donte but they have to play 2 on one defense in the pick and roll because whoever the Bucks play at the 5 isn’t allowed to step outside of the semicircle under the hoop it seems. Their thought process of “let’s make average perimeter stretch bigs like Jeff Green beat us 4 out of 7 games.” The theory is very sound. The problem is Jeff Green will be a 30-35% perimeter shooter on normal shots, while the Bucks give him shots with 10 feet of nobody around him. Those aren’t the shots he’s making 30-35% of the time. Those are shots NBA players make 50% of the time. So then these “bad” perimeter shooters suddenly are having career shooting against the Bucks (Jae, Jimmy last year, VanVleet the year before) and the Bucks are just like “Well damn, these dudes couldn’t throw it into the ocean while standing next to it the next round!” Well yeah, they’re entirely different qualities of shots, even though they’re all the same distance from the basket.
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You can live with KD and Harden getting theirs, but I still struggle with Bud's approach to guarding the perimeter. Harris and Jeff Green were the ones who killed them. I was screaming at the last three Harris got... Jrue and Donte didn't talk on whether to stick or switch, and Harris got a wide open look.
Agreed on the depth, though I do think the Bucks need some help on the wing. Can you count on DDV/Pat/Forbes in the playoffs? Not sold.
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Getting pretty tired of players manufacturing super teams.
Hoping for Bucks vs Nuggets in the Finals. Even Mavs vs Celtics would be fine.
I especially DON'T want Lakers vs Nets but feels kind of inevitable at this point.
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I really like Kyrie, but you cant make this up. He returns after 2 weeks, leading the Nets in scoring...but they are losing by double digits to a terrible Cavs team scoring at will. Just a perfect drama storyline
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I really like Kyrie, but you cant make this up. He returns after 2 weeks, leading the Nets in scoring...but they are losing by double digits to a terrible Cavs team scoring at will. Just a perfect drama storyline
And people thought Lebron was the problem...
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5 Nets played 42+ minutes. KD and Harden played 50+. In a January game against the Cavs. Yikes.
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Getting pretty tired of players manufacturing super teams.
Why is it OK for GMs to manufacture super teams, but not for the players to do so?
Not trying to be snarky at all. I don't know why one would bother you if the other doesn't. Or maybe they both bother you.
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5 Nets played 42+ minutes. KD and Harden played 50+. In a January game against the Cavs. Yikes.
In a game they ended up losing anyway.
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Why is it OK for GMs to manufacture super teams, but not for the players to do so?
Not trying to be snarky at all. I don't know why one would bother you if the other doesn't. Or maybe they both bother you.
My guess is the players holding hostage where they go. I think it was AD who said he’d basically only play for the Lakers. Harden had a very limited number of teams, if any were true beyond NJ. It’s one thing to demand a trade, but another to basically force your way onto a certain team to build a super team.
Just my opinion.
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And people thought Lebron was the problem...
This was their first game playing together.
Did you say the same thing when Lebron failed his first season in Miami, playing alongside an equal (Wade) and another top 10 player (Bosh), because they couldn't learn how to play together?
Or the first season in LA, playing alongside another equal in Davis?
Elite performers have ego's that are hard to work with, period.
Also, this guy is clearly a problem.
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/nets/ny-kyrie-irving-absence-20210120-buw6yvgfabgevkb6iov4kglv5e-story.html
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This was their first game playing together.
Did you say the same thing when Lebron failed his first season in Miami, playing alongside an equal (Wade) and another top 10 player (Bosh), because they couldn't learn how to play together?
Or the first season in LA, playing alongside another equal in Davis?
Elite performers have ego's that are hard to work with, period.
Also, this guy is clearly a problem.
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/nets/ny-kyrie-irving-absence-20210120-buw6yvgfabgevkb6iov4kglv5e-story.html
Good lord, I hope you know that what he does off-court is completely irrelevant to what he does on court.
Anyway, there was a narrative here and elsewhere that Lebron was SOOO hard to play with and poor Kyrie had to put up with him. Of course he's done nothing since while Lebron has won another championship.
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My guess is the players holding hostage where they go. I think it was AD who said he’d basically only play for the Lakers. Harden had a very limited number of teams, if any were true beyond NJ. It’s one thing to demand a trade, but another to basically force your way onto a certain team to build a super team.
Just my opinion.
This is it. Especially since the trades are lopsided. The Lakers got Davis, a top 6 player, for a fringe all-star and bunch of spare parts. The first round picks that New Orleans gets are basically lottery tickets, not lottery picks.
Harden to the Nets required a convoluted 4 team trade. The Rockets traded a top ten player for a fringe all star and a truckload of lottery tickets.
These trades are anti-competitive.
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This is it. Especially since the trades are lopsided. The Lakers got Davis, a top 6 player, for a fringe all-star and bunch of spare parts. The first round picks that New Orleans gets are basically lottery tickets, not lottery picks.
Harden to the Nets required a convoluted 4 team trade. The Rockets traded a top ten player for a fringe all star and a truckload of lottery tickets.
These trades are anti-competitive.
The NBA is a star driven league. Those stars are using the leverage they have earned. They can't be faulted for that.
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...terrible Cavs team...
Hey!
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where do u watch the game. black out on tnt and not on fsw?? ive never seen this before in my life
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where do u watch the game. black out on tnt and not on fsw?? ive never seen this before in my life
I'm watching NBA on TNT right now. Is the game really blacked out in Milwaukee?
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Game in not on FS Wisconsin. Game is onTNT in Milwaukee. Boardcast doesn't start until 6:45.
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bizarrely the game is balcked out on my cable. i went on my dads youtube tv account and now i can watch. very odd. never seen that before
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Giannis free throw shooting in a small sample does appear to be badly plummeting and has I think been terrible throughout his playoff career.
LeBron’s best FT% years were 2011 and earlier....
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Bucks running and gunning to get into the lead. So late in the half Middleton decides to ball stop at the top of the key and start jab stepping for long 2s
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Bud stinks. This team is going nowhere
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Bud has plateaued. But they lost a tight game to the Lakers with Giannis playing bad. Jrue and basically the entire bench have played 15 games with the Bucks. They’re the second best team in the East.
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The NBA is a star driven league. Those stars are using the leverage they have earned. They can't be faulted for that.
Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.
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Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.
I love that the PLAYERS are the ones who are held to this standard, but the TEAMS who trade, cut, all sorts of players aren't.
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I love that the PLAYERS are the ones who are held to this standard, but the TEAMS who trade, cut, all sorts of players aren't.
"Thank you for stopping by, Joe, please have a seat. I know that you've been here in Los Angeles for six years, and we really appreciate all that you've done for us. I know you're very involved in the community, that your wife works with local non-profits and your three kids are in local schools and have lots of friends here. But we just traded you to Detroit. Thanks again and good luck."
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I love that the PLAYERS are the ones who are held to this standard, but the TEAMS who trade, cut, all sorts of players aren't.
I hold the teams to the same standards. I don't think the Lakers and Nets should partake in it either.
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"Thank you for stopping by, Joe, please have a seat. I know that you've been here in Los Angeles for six years, and we really appreciate all that you've done for us. I know you're very involved in the community, that your wife works with local non-profits and your three kids are in local schools and have lots of friends here. But we just traded you to Detroit. Thanks again and good luck."
Somebody never saw Moneyball.
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I hold the teams to the same standards. I don't think the Lakers and Nets should partake in it either.
Well unless you change the rules and the CBA, it won't change. And I am not sure the NBA wants it to.
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"Thank you for stopping by, Joe, please have a seat. I know that you've been here in Los Angeles for six years, and we really appreciate all that you've done for us. I know you're very involved in the community, that your wife works with local non-profits and your three kids are in local schools and have lots of friends here. But we just traded you to Detroit. Thanks again and good luck."
You spelled Blake Griffin wrong
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Jimmy Butler is back on the Miami bench after being out for nearly 3 weeks with COVID. He seems to have lost quite a bit of weight. Hopefully he recovers faster than Kendrick Nunn. It took Nunn almost 4 months to get back into game shape.
https://twitter.com/willmanso/status/1354591477905690625?s=21
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What's up wit Herro, hey?
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What's up wit Herro, hey?
"Neck spasms" for over a week. Spoelstra/Riley never let us peons know what's up.
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And... Herro is slated to play tonight. You reverse jinxed him!
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Bucks are fookin' awful, aina?
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Budenholzer might be worse than Wojo. He accelerated the timeline of a championship contender by 2 years, but nobody playing this defense will ever win a title. The defensive system makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, in any way. They intentionally give up the corner three. They have their DPOY guard the worst offensive player so he can roam, they drop Brook so they protect the paint, yet they collapse everyone when the ball handler gets into the paint! If Brook and Giannis are going to leave their guys wide open so they don’t give anything up at the rim, the other 3 should be staying attached to the shooters.
There’s no chance this team even makes the ECF, which is insane. Just wasting a year of Giannis.
Also, how the organization allowed Giannis’s shot form go from “not good, but can work with it” to “entirely broken beyond repair” is beyond belief. It’s atrocious.
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NOLA with 96 pts with 2:30 left in the 3Q?
WTF? Have they been this bad on D all year?
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NOLA with 96 pts with 2:30 left in the 3Q?
WTF? Have they been this bad on D all year?
Yes. Their philosophy is “We’ll give up 3s to average shooters” and has been Bud’s entire time here. In theory, good idea. But the execution is flawed. Those shooters are average 3 point shooters on normal NBA 3 point shots. The Bucks give up warmup 3 point shots to those guys. NBA players will make those at a 50%+ clip every night, but the Bucks will say it’s an outlier because the guy can’t shoot. But the outliers happen every night.
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Throw Bud on da get outta town dog bus wit Woj, hey?
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Throw Bud on da get outta town dog bus wit Woj, hey?
Are you available to coach both MU and the Bucks simultaneously? I like your style.
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Are you available to coach both MU and the Bucks simultaneously? I like your style.
Keep dis up Mugster ans ewe mae just earn yoself an invite two da next Meat Summit, hey?
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Not to go all Dodds here, but they're playing in empty or mostly empty arenas. That has to make it easier to shoot.
Lopez is at the heart of the issue here. Can't switch everything when he's on the floor. And dropping him to rim protect leaves guys open.
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Bucks need another scorer, preferably at the 2 guard and its not Donte. Would also help if they desired to play defense also, hey?
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Lopez is at the heart of the issue here. Can't switch everything when he's on the floor. And dropping him to rim protect leaves guys open.
+100. He is an atrocious defender in space and was absolutely exploited by the Raptors in the ECF 2 years ago once they pulled him more than 5 feet from the basket. The Bucks revived his career that year and should have took the chance to move him then.
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LeBron says he could join the 50-40-90 club if he “wanted to.” The guy’s never shot above 78% from the line in his career. That’s a lot of “not wanting to.” He can make the case that he’s only ever been above 38% from three once in his career because of shot selection or whatever. But the difficulty of a free throw does not change, ever. It’s the same quality of shot.
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LeBron says he could join the 50-40-90 club if he “wanted to.” The guy’s never shot above 78% from the line in his career. That’s a lot of “not wanting to.” He can make the case that he’s only ever been above 38% from three once in his career because of shot selection or whatever. But the difficulty of a free throw does not change, ever. It’s the same quality of shot.
Your internet is slow.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nba/news/lebron-james-says-he-could-hit-50-40-90-mark-if-he-wanted-to/amp/
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Your internet is slow.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nba/news/lebron-james-says-he-could-hit-50-40-90-mark-if-he-wanted-to/amp/
Even worse. Evidently he REALLY doesn’t want to.
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It’s the same thing every single night for the Bucks. Turnovers galore. Other team sets its franchise record for 3s made. Bucks end the first with 4 backups on the court and give up a run that puts nets them ten points or more in the hole. And the Bucks will just write it off as a team having an aberrationally hot night from 3.
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Adios Bud, hey?
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Adios Bud, hey?
Yeah I think that's the move that needs to be made.
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68 first half points given up to the Pels and the Hornets on back to back nights.
Can we just trade Wojo and Bud for the hell of it? See what happens.
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Bucks tie it at 110, seem like they have things back in control finally....then they give up a 16-4 run and get blown off the court to end the game. My god this team couldnt guard Cardinal Stritch. Team also looked completely gassed down the stretch. Couldn’t possibly be because Bud has the dumbest rotations imaginable
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Whatcha all think of LaMelo?
He's been spectacular some nights and invisible some others. But hey, he's 19 years old, and though his shot obviously needs a little tweaking, he has incredible basketball instincts. I'm gonna enjoy watching him in Charlotte until somebody steals him away.
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Bedda dan his bro. Bedda shot, bedda passer. Kant stand his old man, hey?
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Whatcha all think of LaMelo?
He's been spectacular some nights and invisible some others. But hey, he's 19 years old, and though his shot obviously needs a little tweaking, he has incredible basketball instincts. I'm gonna enjoy watching him in Charlotte until somebody steals him away.
He’s gonna be a super star. I think his floor is peak Celtics years of Rajon Rondo. He’s a 6’8 PG with incredible vision and incredible instincts. That tip dunk the other night was a prime example, he just has a 6th sense and nose for the ball.
The “worst” part of his game is shooting/scoring, yet he’s managed to average 12 a game while usually not starting and not being an offensive focal point behind Hayward, Rozier, and Graham. Hell he’s shooting 43/30/76. Not great, but if that’s his “issue” it could be way worse. He’ll only get better
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He’s gonna be a super star. I think his floor is peak Celtics years of Rajon Rondo. He’s a 6’8 PG with incredible vision and incredible instincts. That tip dunk the other night was a prime example, he just has a 6th sense and nose for the ball.
The “worst” part of his game is shooting/scoring, yet he’s managed to average 12 a game while usually not starting and not being an offensive focal point behind Hayward, Rozier, and Graham. Hell he’s shooting 43/30/76. Not great, but if that’s his “issue” it could be way worse. He’ll only get better
Agree on all. And with Rozier (2nd leading scorer at 18/game) getting hurt, he'll now move into the starting lineup and will be asked to score more.
He's a kid, and he's got a great future.
Kant stand his old man, hey?
This ain't HS or college. His old man is a non-factor.
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This ain't HS or college. His old man is a non-factor.
His dad raised 2 sons with incredible basketball IQ, skills, and great work ethics. He’s honestly been a non-issue since Lonzo left LA. Occasional sound bites, but a complete non factor when assessing Melo as a character or NBA player
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His father was annoying, and I thought things would have fallen apart for them when they ran off to Latvia, but they've stuck together as a family and all made the NBA. Father and mother must have done something right.
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His dad raised 2 sons with incredible basketball IQ, skills, and great work ethics. He’s honestly been a non-issue since Lonzo left LA. Occasional sound bites, but a complete non factor when assessing Melo as a character or NBA player
Yep. Now that I've seen LaMelo and Lonzo play, the latter for a couple years now, my only criticism of the way Pops prepared them is that neither had very good shooting form. Otherwise, both have been solid citizens and very good team players so far. That kind of thing usually (not always, but usually) comes from the parents.
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Entertaining OT game between Heat and Hornets last night.
Jimmy played well, as usual, and did a lot of trash-talking, as usual, but he celebrated too soon as Miami blew a 10-point lead in the final 3 minutes of regulation. He missed an open 3 at the regulation buzzer and then did little in OT.
Malik Monk, a former No. 1 pick who had become an afterthought in Charlotte, came off the bench to score 36 points, including the tying 3.
Max Strus, the former DePaul star who had been in the G-League, has increasingly become part of Miami's rotation. He had 19 points in 20 minutes.
LaMelo Ball made his first career start (in place of injured Terry Rozier) and was all over the box score despite foul trouble.
And Tyler Herro, part of the infamous Hauser Hate Triangle, had only 11 points on 3-10 shooting and was victimized repeatedly by Monk, Devonte Graham and Gordon Hayward. Whichever Hornet was being "defended" by Herro immediately became the focal point of that offensive possession. Monk/Graham/Hayward shot over Herro and/or drove past him all night.
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Entertaining OT game between Heat and Hornets last night.
Jimmy played well, as usual, and did a lot of trash-talking, as usual, but he celebrated too soon as Miami blew a 10-point lead in the final 3 minutes of regulation. He missed an open 3 at the regulation buzzer and then did little in OT.
Malik Monk, a former No. 1 pick who had become an afterthought in Charlotte, came off the bench to score 36 points, including the tying 3.
Max Strus, the former DePaul star who had been in the G-League, has increasingly become part of Miami's rotation. He had 19 points in 20 minutes.
LaMelo Ball made his first career start (in place of injured Terry Rozier) and was all over the box score despite foul trouble.
And Tyler Herro, part of the infamous Hauser Hate Triangle, had only 11 points on 3-10 shooting and was victimized repeatedly by Monk, Devonte Graham and Gordon Hayward. Whichever Hornet was being "defended" by Herro immediately became the focal point of that offensive possession. Monk/Graham/Hayward shot over Herro and/or drove past him all night.
According to Tyler himself, him and Duncan are targeted on defense because they're "white boys." It couldn't be because when you have to choose between attacking Jimmy Butler, Bam Adebyo, Andre Iguodala, Duncan Robinson, and Tyler Herro down the stretch of games there are three guys who are incredible defenders and two guys who aren't good defenders. Nope. Just their skin color.
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C'mon man, everywon nos "white boys=non-athletic," aina?
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According to Tyler himself, him and Duncan are targeted on defense because they're "white boys." It couldn't be because when you have to choose between attacking Jimmy Butler, Bam Adebyo, Andre Iguodala, Duncan Robinson, and Tyler Herro down the stretch of games there are three guys who are incredible defenders and two guys who aren't good defenders. Nope. Just their skin color.
Did you listen to the interview? Reddick specifically asked him if you think you get targeted cause you’re “white with short arms” related to his own experiences. And Herro responded while chuckling the entire time. It was a joking reference to league perception while neither of them believe themselves to be superior defenders. Don’t make it to be anything deep cause it wasn’t
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Yeah, NBA players joke about that stuff all the time. It's a favorite subject in the LR, whether the guys are Black or white. They're pretty funny about it, and they give it to each other (and themselves) pretty good. Can't get away with that stuff in "proper society," obviously, but that's their own little world and just about anything goes (as long as it's good-natured).
Notably, one of the guys doing the attacking every time Herro was on him was the very white Hayward. But he's pretty good attacking anybody. I was one who thought the Hornets gave him too much $$$$, but when he's healthy he's really really good. The Celtics had relegated him to 4th or 5th option; he's loving his role in Charlotte.
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Did you listen to the interview? Reddick specifically asked him if you think you get targeted cause you’re “white with short arms” related to his own experiences. And Herro responded while chuckling the entire time. It was a joking reference to league perception while neither of them believe themselves to be superior defenders. Don’t make it to be anything deep cause it wasn’t
+1
Old Man and the Three is a great podcast
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The Bucks' defensive effort on Monday against Portland was the best I had seen all season. I was looking forward to see if that was turning a corner or just a one time thing in a game they needed to win to snap a losing streak. Their defense looked great again last night, and in both games they were able to sit the starters the entire fourth quarter with 30 point leads going into the quarter. The Blazers were without CJ and Nurkic on Monday so that made things easier, but doing what they did to a tough Pacers team last night was encouraging.
And my man crush on Jrue is just continuing to grow. His defense is so, so good. And he's so smooth offensively and really has all the weapons you need. He's a big time difference maker.
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Pretty accurate Fo, but they still need another scorer. Replace #0 with that player and I'm good, hey?
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Pretty accurate Fo, but they still need another scorer. Replace #0 with that player and I'm good, hey?
With ya, Doc. Donte is a perfect 6th man and would elevate that second unit. But they need someone more reliable on the wing.
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In fact, insert Portis into the lineup and moving Middleton to the backcourt is a better starting 5, hey?
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In fact, insert Portis into the lineup and moving Middleton to the backcourt is a better starting 5, hey?
It may be a better starting five, but I like Portis coming off the bench.
I think you can see why the Bucks really wanted Bogdan.
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It may be a better starting five, but I like Portis coming off the bench.
They'd have some defensive issues swapping Portis for Donte.
The bench is an area I'm worried about. Augustin hasn't been good, Forbes' utility is limited. Pat is what he is, good every few games. The hard cap is gonna make it difficult to improve the roster all that much,
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KD was out due to contract tracing to start the game, then was cleared after tip, played 19 minutes, and then pulled back to the locker room because of contact tracing. Seems well handled.
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KD was out due to contract tracing to start the game, then was cleared after tip, played 19 minutes, and then pulled back to the locker room because of contact tracing. Seems well handled.
Not even at halftime. Midway through the 3rd, in a tie game. Absurdly handled all around
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KD needs to go into bubble. This is second time he’s been shutdown for contract tracing.
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Curry with 41 for GS tonight...and it isn’t quite midway through the third.
Just nailed a three from a couple steps beyond the midcourt line.
Edit: they just showed the replay coming back from the TO, and he was well inside the center court circle.
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Did you see that??? Curry going bananas is still one of the best things to watch in sports.
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This Denver/Milwaukee game could be 1st to 140. Wow. 42-37 at the end of the 1Q.
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This Denver/Milwaukee game could be 1st to 140. Wow. 42-37 at the end of the 1Q.
It’ll be that way anytime Jrue is out.
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It’ll be that way anytime Jrue is out.
What's the most threes attempted combined in a game? I think with 9 mins left in the 2nd Q there have been around 35 launched from distance.
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Hope they get it back in the 2H. Entertaining as hell until that ugly last 6 min
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Besides being offensively gifted, LaMelo is an absolute blast to watch.
Last 6 games, he is averaging 23 ppg, 7 apg and 6 rpg, leading Hornets to a 4-2 record. Despite his funky shooting form, he's hitting .525 from 3 over that stretch, including 7/12 last night.
I think the T-Wolves and Warriors will regret passing on him.
Being the youngest player to go 25-5-5 or some other arbitrary grouping of stats ... those aren't "records," so it's kinda funny to hear ESPN and others call them that. But they are nice accomplishments, and I hope he keeps setting those "records."
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Nice win for the Bucks last night. K-Midd was magic.
But man, Lopez looks rough out there. Jokic is the slowest guy he'll guard all year and he couldn't hang. I really wonder if they move him before the deadline.
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Nice win for the Bucks last night. K-Midd was magic.
But man, Lopez looks rough out there. Jokic is the slowest guy he'll guard all year and he couldn't hang. I really wonder if they move him before the deadline.
Didn’t watch the game, but Jokic is literally the best big man in the game right now, and probably will finish in the top 3 of MVP voting, so not sure this one performance is all that indicative of Lopez.
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Didn’t watch the game, but Jokic is literally the best big man in the game right now, and probably will finish in the top 3 of MVP voting, so not sure this one performance is all that indicative of Lopez.
Was thinking the same thing. Jokic looks slow but he is very good at finding his spots, and he can hit the 3.
I didn't see the game, but Lopez is hardly the only big who has or will have trouble defending Jokic - who is averaging 27.5 ppg on .565 shooting (.400 from 3).
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Jokic is unbelievable. Many are calling him the best passing big man ever already, and it’s not an out of line statement. He had a play last night where he was backing his man down on the baseline, turned for one of his standard high fadeaways, but as he was turning saw Millsap near the hoop, so while in his fadeaway shooting motion, he overhead zipped it over the defender’s shoulder for an easy lay up. It was absurd. He plays the game in slow motion but he’s so patient and his vision is incredible.
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Jokic is unbelievable. Many are calling him the best passing big man ever already, and it’s not an out of line statement. He had a play last night where he was backing his man down on the baseline, turned for one of his standard high fadeaways, but as he was turning saw Millsap near the hoop, so while in his fadeaway shooting motion, he overhead zipped it over the defender’s shoulder for an easy lay up. It was absurd. He plays the game in slow motion but he’s so patient and his vision is incredible.
Bill Walton was an incredible passer. Is Jokic heading in that direction of big man passing greatness?
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Bill Walton was an incredible passer. Is Jokic heading in that direction of big man passing greatness?
He’s already there. You can debate the “best ever crown” but he’s every bit the passer Walton was, if not more. Especially given his unicorn “point center” position he plays at times. I’d say peak, pre-injury Sabonis is his best passing comp given the flair and style he passes with.
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Didn’t watch the game, but Jokic is literally the best big man in the game right now, and probably will finish in the top 3 of MVP voting, so not sure this one performance is all that indicative of Lopez.
No question he's gonna make a lot of guys look bad. I'm looking at last night in the larger context of the season so far.
They don't know what to do with Brook defensively. Drop coverage leaves shooters open, or the lane for floaters. Switching leaves him on a guard, and takes his value away as a rim protector. With the evolution of the league, there aren't many guys who he can play more or less straight up.
Finally got that last night, and did not look good. It's an issue they will need to solve before the playoffs.
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Mavs have stopped playing the National Anthem before games.
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Mavs have stopped playing the National Anthem before games.
Good.
It's a silly thing to play before sporting events but not before operas, movies, school plays, comedy-club sessions, the ballet, concerts, work functions, church services, and any number of things.
The immediate defense is "tradition." That also was used to keep Blacks out of MLB and the SEC, to keep women from voting, to keep pros out of the Olympics, to keep women in the kitchen and the bedroom, etc. It's rarely a very good defense of anything IMHO.
I hope this decision by Mark Cuban starts a new tradition!
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Good.
It's a silly thing to play before sporting events but not before operas, movies, school plays, comedy-club sessions, the ballet, concerts, work functions, church services, and any number of things.
The immediate defense is "tradition." That also was used to keep Blacks out of MLB and the SEC, to keep women from voting, to keep pros out of the Olympics, to keep women in the kitchen and the bedroom, etc. It's rarely a very good defense of anything IMHO.
I hope this decision by Mark Cuban starts a new tradition!
I don’t ever recall hearing the national anthem before about a play, concert or ballet, and I would be surprised to hear if it is common at operas.
But I do agree it seems pretty odd at sporting events.
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I don’t ever recall hearing the national anthem before about a play, concert or ballet, and I would be surprised to hear if it is common at operas.
But I do agree it seems pretty odd at sporting events.
I've been told that they used to play it before movies (or at least some theaters did), but if so it was before my time.
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The National Anthem was first played by a military band in the 7th inning of the Cubs vs. Red Sox World Series game following this bombing in 1918 in the midst of WWI. As an aside, post-COVID, Fort Henry is worth a tour to learn the history.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/chicago.suntimes.com/platform/amp/2018/9/2/18430034/100-years-ago-the-bombing-of-chicago-s-federal-building
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Jimmy was murdered last night. I hope he's okay
https://www.youtube.com/v/g0NGoNqZ-Yc
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I've been told that they used to play it before movies (or at least some theaters did), but if so it was before my time.
Before my time too. Wouldn't surprise me if it was a WWII-era thing that died down sometime after the war.
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Mavs have stopped playing the National Anthem before games.
How will those in attendance know that they have freedom?
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Good.
It's a silly thing to play before sporting events but not before operas, movies, school plays, comedy-club sessions, the ballet, concerts, work functions, church services, and any number of things.
The immediate defense is "tradition." That also was used to keep Blacks out of MLB and the SEC, to keep women from voting, to keep pros out of the Olympics, to keep women in the kitchen and the bedroom, etc. It's rarely a very good defense of anything IMHO.
I hope this decision by Mark Cuban starts a new tradition!
Agreed. Stop throwing politics at me just cuz I like sports.
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NBA mandates the playing of the anthem before games, Mavs will comply.
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NBA mandates the playing of the anthem before games, Mavs will comply.
Now THAT is political correctness.
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If one segment of society feels alienated and angry about hearing the national anthem, and another segment feels the exact opposite, what exactly is the solution? Make a decision based on which action hemorrhages less money?
And I'm curious to know if American basketball players kneel or stand in other countries for their national anthems if they are played? I hate to break it to you but wokeness and cancel culture is not moving our country towards unity or less prejudice of all kinds. It's having the exact opposite effect.
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If one segment of society feels alienated and angry about hearing the national anthem, and another segment feels the exact opposite, what exactly is the solution? Make a decision based on which action hemorrhages less money?
And I'm curious to know if American basketball players kneel or stand in other countries for their national anthems if they are played? I hate to break it to you but wokeness and cancel culture is not moving our country towards unity or less prejudice of all kinds. It's having the exact opposite effect.
The national anthem is rarely played before sporting events in most countries outside the U.S. and Canada. It is pretty much a uniquely American tradition.
And I hate to break it to you Muggs, but mindless nationalism isn't moving our country toward unity either. Playing the national anthem prior to a sporting event serves no purpose. It's been politicized and used as a litmus test for "loving your country" and then wielded like a hammer.
For instance, who has been a victim of "cancel culture" more than Colin Kaepernick? Funny because I never saw conservatives up in arms about him being "cancelled" at the time. I wonder why???
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Last I checked players were ordered to stand for the nat.anthem in China. Not all forms of nationslism are mindless. I honestly don't care about the anthem per se but we're basically at a point where if you don't agree with one point of view or the other you are labeled the worst on both sides. It's absurd and leads to further division.
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MU could play Radiohead for the starting lineups and fulfill the “National Anthem” requirement. Just saying...
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Last I checked players were ordered to stand for the nat.anthem in China. Not all forms of nationslism are mindless. I honestly don't care about the anthem per se but we're basically at a point where if you don't agree with one point of view or the other you are labeled the worst on both sides. It's absurd and leads to further division.
I'm not so sure China is the best example of the unifying benefits of requiring players to stand for the national anthem.
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MU could play Radiohead for the starting lineups and fulfill the “National Anthem” requirement. Just saying...
How about Hendrix from Woodstock? Hell, I'd be thrilled to stand through that.
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Most would agree that the two greatest national anthems ever sung were by Marvin Gaye and Whitney Houston. Maybe they should be played before games?
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Most would agree that the two greatest national anthems ever sung were by Marvin Gaye and Whitney Houston. Maybe they should be played before games?
Whitney Houston recorded her version in a studio then lipsynced it at the Super Bowl. It gets an asterisk.
Besides, nobody beats Carl Lewis' rendition.
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Jim Cornelison.
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Whitney Houston recorded her version in a studio then lipsynced it at the Super Bowl. It gets an asterisk.
Besides, nobody beats Carl Lewis' rendition.
Ha!
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Bucks second half meltdown is one thing. But down 1 with 2.5 left, you draw up a play that is either Giannis in the lane or him having to pull up for a long jumper? Good lord. How that wasn’t a curl play or double screen for a Middleton jumper I’ll never know
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Bucks second half meltdown is one thing. But down 1 with 2.5 left, you draw up a play that is either Giannis in the lane or him having to pull up for a long jumper? Good lord. How that wasn’t a curl play or double screen for a Middleton jumper I’ll never know
Just saw that. Strange decision by Budenholzer.
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If one segment of society feels alienated and angry about hearing the national anthem, and another segment feels the exact opposite, what exactly is the solution? Make a decision based on which action hemorrhages less money?
And I'm curious to know if American basketball players kneel or stand in other countries for their national anthems if they are played? I hate to break it to you but wokeness and cancel culture is not moving our country towards unity or less prejudice of all kinds. It's having the exact opposite effect.
Gotta drag the old farts and racists toward progress. Otherwise, maybe we should have kept slavery, Jim Crow laws, never given women the right to vote.
Wokeness is such a stupid term. Treat people how they want to be treated, not how you think they should be treated. That should be your only rule. The 'cancel culture is bad' narrative is being used for everything. Should Morgan Wallen be cancelled? What does that even mean? He was dropped from his label, and only made more money because of it. He should remain 'cancelled' as long as he doesn't admit his mistakes and try to fix them. That is all the left is ever really asking for. Instead, we have a culture where admitting you are wrong, or have learned something is impossible.
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Bucks second half meltdown is one thing. But down 1 with 2.5 left, you draw up a play that is either Giannis in the lane or him having to pull up for a long jumper? Good lord. How that wasn’t a curl play or double screen for a Middleton jumper I’ll never know
Not only that, but how almost every coach in the NBA talks about starting and ending quarters strong and then there’s Bud who ends at least one of the first three quarters (and usually the first and third quarters) with 4 backups and one starter on the court seeing their team net a negative 10 points every night is beyond me. Last night you’re up 11 with about 2:30 left in the third and leave a lineup of Pat C, DJ Augustin, Bobby Portis, Tory Craig, and Middleton out there to give up an 11-2 run to cut the lead to 2 and now you’re in a battle in the fourth and have given the Suns all the momentum. No surprise that the Suns then come out and hit back to back 3s to push the run to 17-2 and now you’re playing catch-up after having led by double digits most of the night.
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Nah man, ya kant give up 125 pts every nite. Da elefant inda room iz Bud tinks out scorin' teems iz da wey ta wynn in da Association. Let it flie, aina?
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Nah man, ya kant give up 125 pts every nite. Da elefant inda room iz Bud tinks out scorin' teems iz da wey ta wynn in da Association. Let it flie, aina?
They've been a lot better since the losses to the Pelicans and Hornets on consecutive nights. They've been switching up their coverages defensively a lot more. I think Jrue is getting Bud to change some things.
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Getting a 2002 vibe from this Bucks team. They just look disjointed and disinterested.
The guard depth is a huge problem, as we're seeing with Jrue out. Almost 12 million combined to Augustin and Connaughton, who have both been bad.
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They are going to need a new voice in the locker room after this year.
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I thought you refuted my statement a month ago that Bud's ass was not getting warmer, hey?
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I thought you refuted my statement a month ago that Bud's ass was not getting warmer, hey?
I actually think I agreed with you.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=61039.msg1303387#msg1303387
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I'm not a Bucks fan, so I don't follow news/opinions on them closely. But weren't most Scoopers who are Bucks fans actually pretty bullish on Bud? That's what I seem to recall, but I absolutely allow that I could be wrong about that.
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I don't pretend to know how this could be done, but the Bucks have to move away from Lopez. Also, need another scorer, preferably at the 2 guard, hey? As their team is constituted now, they are at best, behind the Nets and '6ers, hey?
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I'm not a Bucks fan, so I don't follow news/opinions on them closely. But weren't most Scoopers who are Bucks fans actually pretty bullish on Bud? That's what I seem to recall, but I absolutely allow that I could be wrong about that.
He accelerated the organization by 2 years. But he's plateaued where he plateaued in Atlanta. He was the right hire, but he's not going to be the guy that gets them to the Finals.
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I don't pretend to know how this could be done, but the Bucks have to move away from Lopez. Also, need another scorer, preferably at the 2 guard, hey? As their team is constituted now, they are at best, behind the Nets and '6ers, hey?
The Bucks are better than the 76ers. The 76ers' schedule has been incredibly weak. And their offense isn't the issue. It's really the defensive scheme and fundamentals more than anything. The fact that they train their wings to get airborn when closing out to a perimeter shooter is...not ideal. And then the scheme itself is laughable, and then they start to try to adjust on the fly because it isn't working and they look like chickens with their head cut off.
I'm just hoping they're working out a deal with Jrue while he's out. It's very clear how important he is to this team. If he were to walk this offseason, that's a major issue.
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I'm just hoping they're working out a deal with Jrue while he's out. It's very clear how important he is to this team. If he were to walk this offseason, that's a major issue.
If he walks it would be catastrophic after what they gave up to get him.
I don't pretend to know how this could be done, but the Bucks have to move away from Lopez. Also, need another scorer, preferably at the 2 guard, hey? As their team is constituted now, they are at best, behind the Nets and '6ers, hey?
I agree. Him, Pat, Augustin are the spots they need to upgrade. And getting a decent 2 can strengthen that second unit if Donte heads to the bench.
The bench unit is just so bad defensively, that if they're not making shots it's hard to play any of 'em. At least Portis hits the glass.
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He accelerated the organization by 2 years. But he's plateaued where he plateaued in Atlanta. He was the right hire, but he's not going to be the guy that gets them to the Finals.
Thanks. NBA history (and all pro leagues' history, for that matter) is filled with guys who are good (maybe even very good) coaches but are not "the right coach" to get a team to the promised land.
Doug Collins, obviously, is the example that many cite, but there have been plenty of others.
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Pistons looking to trade or waive Blake Griffin. Who needs an over the hill power forward?
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Maebea Kendall Jenner, hey?
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Pistons looking to trade or waive Blake Griffin. Who needs an over the hill power forward?
Assuming the Pistons would have to pay just about his entire salary, I could see several teams taking him as a role player. That would be the same way Portland took Melo, who somewhat surprisingly has re-emerged as an important player for him.
If the Hornets didn't have to pay him more than scraps, I absolutely would take him on the team. He'd be pretty good as a 20-minute guy on the second unit. And who knows ... maybe he'd pull a Melo and actually become a serious contributor again if he doesn't have to be the alpha male.
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It all comes down to his knee. Even after getting shipped out of LA, he was REALLY damn good his first years in Detroit. That 18-19 season was arguably his best all around season as a pro. And he developed into a solid 3pt shooter on good volume, 25-8-5. But he’s just not been the same with the knee issues in the last 2 years. He could be a later in career K Love type with his ability to stretch the floor and step out, but he’s just been so pedestrian since he got hurt.
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Zach Lavine should be an All-Star this year. Anyone disagree?
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JFB was just the $1000 answer (in the form of a question of course) on Jeopardy! - single jeopardy of course. He’s officially a superstar!
Of course the 3 nerds didn’t get it.
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Bucks playing like crap again. Letting the Raps score at will. But love love LOVE needing a bucket down 8 under 3:30 left and having Pat C out there bricking deep shots ::) ::)
Edit: Bucks scored 4 points in the last 5 minutes. Only 1 FG.
I know they are missing Holiday but SHEESH this is not a good team
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I'd fire Bud today. Darvin Hamm has gotten some head coaching interviews. See what he's got. If not go get Juwan Howard in the offseason or maybe the Celtics move on from Brad Stevens. This team gets punked by far inferior teams night in and night out.
Oh and Jrue now can ask the Bucks for anything and everything he wants.
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I'd fire Bud today. Darvin Hamm has gotten some head coaching interviews. See what he's got. If not go get Juwan Howard in the offseason or maybe the Celtics move on from Brad Stevens. This team gets punked by far inferior teams night in and night out.
Oh and Jrue now can ask the Bucks for anything and everything he wants.
BUMP. This team is absolute trash, Jrue or not
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Bucks sleep walking through another game, just like their coach. Absolutely no fire, no sense of urgency. Bud gives the vibe that he just doesn't care.
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Bud accelerated the timeframe by 2 years for the Bucks. But it’s over for him.
And outside of getting Jrue, Horst had an absolutely terrible offseason. THREE year deal for DJ Augustin? He’s absolutely terrible. Not realizing that by giving Pat C a 2 year deal you’re using part of your mid level exception, which you need because you have literally no cap room? So then you have to go back to him and give him an extra year for more money/year just to incentivize him to sign that instead of the 2 year deal? How are you that incompetent?
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Bud accelerated the timeframe by 2 years for the Bucks. But it’s over for him.
And outside of getting Jrue, Horst had an absolutely terrible offseason. THREE year deal for DJ Augustin? He’s absolutely terrible. Not realizing that by giving Pat C a 2 year deal you’re using part of your mid level exception, which you need because you have literally no cap room? So then you have to go back to him and give him an extra year for more money/year just to incentivize him to sign that instead of the 2 year deal? How are you that incompetent?
Buds gotta go. I loved him at first, but teams have figured them out, he hasn't adjusted and his own team isn't responding to him. They really look flat and disinterested.
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Bud accelerated the timeframe by 2 years for the Bucks. But it’s over for him.
And outside of getting Jrue, Horst had an absolutely terrible offseason. THREE year deal for DJ Augustin? He’s absolutely terrible. Not realizing that by giving Pat C a 2 year deal you’re using part of your mid level exception, which you need because you have literally no cap room? So then you have to go back to him and give him an extra year for more money/year just to incentivize him to sign that instead of the 2 year deal? How are you that incompetent?
Not only is Augustin terrible, he’s the worst type of PG for a team like the Bucks. He plays like the quintessential back up Euro PG. Doesnt like to push, takes no chances with aggressive passes, loves to drive and just dribble under the hoop and back out for a pass to reset the offense. Just a horrible fit for a team who is so explosive offensively like the Bucks.
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I also loved that even though we were down 15 and on a 4 game losing streak, Bud will still go 4 backups and one starter to close out the first half. And we’ll sit Giannis down 14 for the first 4 minutes of the fourth, but we’ll leave him in down 20 with 2:30 left until the shot clock is turned off. He’ll be fresh enough to cut it to 9 by the end of the game at least!
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I also loved that even though we were down 15 and on a 4 game losing streak, Bud will still go 4 backups and one starter to close out the first half. And we’ll sit Giannis down 14 for the first 4 minutes of the fourth, but we’ll leave him in down 20 with 2:30 left until the shot clock is turned off. He’ll be fresh enough to cut it to 9 by the end of the game at least!
Yup, his rotations are atrocious
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Does Darvin Ham change the trajectory of this season? I doubt it.
They're stuck between a rock and a hard cap this year. Roster is what it is. I think you play it out and make the change after losing the 4-5 series in the first round.
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Does Darvin Ham change the trajectory of this season? I doubt it.
They're stuck between a rock and a hard cap this year. Roster is what it is. I think you play it out and make the change after losing the 4-5 series in the first round.
You know what you have with Bud. At least you can let Hamm audition for the job. If it doesn’t work out it’s no problem, he’s just the interim for the rest of the year.
Jrue might be the league MVP. This team is totally lost without him.
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You know what you have with Bud. At least you can let Hamm audition for the job. If it doesn’t work out it’s no problem, he’s just the interim for the rest of the year.
Not just that. You can attempt to realistically assess your roster. The team is super flat, uninspired, apathetic. Give Bud the boot, see if there is any burst from new blood with Ham, or is it just a team that’s not set up to be any better than they are. Cause otherwise it can be hard to tell
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Sometimes in the NBA, you just need a change of voice. This team is crying for one.
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At the end of the day...this team sucks, hey?
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At the end of the day...this team sucks, hey?
The more I think about it, the more I think they're screwed when it comes to roster construction. If you sign Jrue for 30M, you'd have 118M spent on four guys. If Jrue walks, you f*cked your draft prospects for a decade for a one year rental.
It's hard enough to pry Lasry's wallet open when he's not funding a senate race.
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I'm hoping Ayo falls back far enough to be available for the Bucks. I love his game and think he could push Donte to the bench, where Donte would be really good. I don't know why Ayo is projected at the very end of the first round. If I had a pick somewhere between like 7-13 I'd be thrilled with Ayo. Otherwise I would like to see Jared Butler.
If Jrue signs with the Bucks long term (I think he will), they'll be fine. I still like Brook, but Bud's unwilingness to let him eat in the post when teams put a guy like Paskal on him makes him useless. If you're going to keep Bud they should trade Brook. But with Jrue, Middleton, and Giannis you have a legit big 3. You just have to be smart with what you put around them.
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I'm hoping Ayo falls back far enough to be available for the Bucks. I love his game and think he could push Donte to the bench, where Donte would be really good. I don't know why Ayo is projected at the very end of the first round. If I had a pick somewhere between like 7-13 I'd be thrilled with Ayo. Otherwise I would like to see Jared Butler.
He’s not all that athletic is the main knock. So it limits his rebounding potential and ability to finish at the rim in the NBA. His form and release point for his jumper I’ve read are a concern too. They work fine now, but could be an issue projecting forward. But he would be good value there. Also don’t hate the idea of Nix
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16 first quarter points for the the Fawns. Always good to see Thanasis playing significant minutes early on!
Edit: I don’t love Middleton, but he is a very good player. However he is HORRIBLE in this current offense. He tries to play iso jab step basketball like Melo and he’s just not good at it. This offense is just like putting bleach in your eyes right now. To the man they all look like crap. Giannis even looks like he’s going through the motions
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Front page of ESPN has Lebron MVP talk again. The constant drumbeat of Lebron deserving an MVP is nauseating. This season, it would be easier to argue that he isn't even top 10 (currently ranked 11th in efficiency), and that he isn't even the best player on his team.
He is infinitely behind players like Embiid, and Jokic. And still behind Giannis, Doncic and Curry.
Can't wait for an entire season of the media trying to convince the world that Lebron is somehow the MVP.
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Front page of ESPN has Lebron MVP talk again. The constant drumbeat of Lebron deserving an MVP is nauseating. This season, it would be easier to argue that he isn't even top 10 (currently ranked 11th in efficiency), and that he isn't even the best player on his team.
He is infinitely behind players like Embiid, and Jokic. And still behind Giannis, Doncic and Curry.
Can't wait for an entire season of the media trying to convince the world that Lebron is somehow the MVP.
I can see arguing that somebody other than LeBron deserves MVP this season. Arguing that LeBron is not even top 10, however, doesn't help your case.
He affects every single thing that the league's defending champion and, possibly, still best team does on the court. And his numbers are great, too. Let's wait to see how everything looks - including the standings - 2 months from now.
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1. It's an article to get clicks. Beyond that, it doesn't say that LBJ is the MVP. It says with Davis out, his play during this stretch could mean that he could stake a claim to be MVP.
2. Forgetful is right. He is not the best player in the league.
3. Forgetful isn't right. He is a top 10 player.
Don't spend too much time worrying about an article in February.
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I can see arguing that somebody other than LeBron deserves MVP this season. Arguing that LeBron is not even top 10, however, doesn't help your case.
He affects every single thing that the league's defending champion and, possibly, still best team does on the court. And his numbers are great, too. Let's wait to see how everything looks - including the standings - 2 months from now.
Just to be clear, I didn't say he wasn't top 10. I said it is easier to make the case that he isn't top 10, than to make the case that he is MVP.
He's outside of the top 10 in player efficiency. He is 17th in WS/48 (5 spots behind his teammate). In my opinion, AD has outplayed him this year.
I would actually argue for him being top 10, but can see arguments against it. There really aren't any arguments for him being MVP, besides the "its Lebron, and his team is good"...which isn't actually an argument.
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Just to be clear, I didn't say he wasn't top 10. I said it is easier to make the case that he isn't top 10, than to make the case that he is MVP.
He's outside of the top 10 in player efficiency. In my opinion, AD has outplayed him this year.
I would actually argue for him being top 10, but can see arguments against it. There really aren't any arguments for him being MVP, besides the "its Lebron, and his team is good"...which isn't actually an argument.
Sorry, but there is absolutely no argument for him not being in the top 10, so you continue to hurt your own thesis.
The Lakers are one of the 2-3 best teams in the NBA, and LeBron drives everything they do. Like every other Laker, AD benefits significantly from being LeBron's teammate - which is one reason why AD so desperately wanted to be LeBron's teammate. I doubt there are many NBA GMs who if asked, "Which Lakers player would you want this season?" would choose AD over LeBron.
Of course LeBron is in the MVP discussion - and he should be. Again, the season is barely 2 months old. Let's talk again in 2 months.
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Sorry, but there is absolutely no argument for him not being in the top 10, so you continue to hurt your own thesis.
The Lakers are one of the 2-3 best teams in the NBA, and LeBron drives everything they do. Like every other Laker, AD benefits significantly from being LeBron's teammate - which is one reason why AD so desperately wanted to be LeBron's teammate. I doubt there are many NBA GMs who if asked, "Which Lakers player would you want this season?" would choose AD over LeBron.
Of course LeBron is in the MVP discussion - and he should be. Again, the season is barely 2 months old. Let's talk again in 2 months.
He's outside of the top 10 in several advanced stats often used to assess MVP candidates. These include WS/48 and PER ratings. In both of those stats he is behind AD.
There is the argument against him being top 10.
I agree with you that he is still top 10, but it is a pretty easy argument to say otherwise.
Him being "in the discussion" right now is ridiculous. Just like it was ridiculous when Jordan was "in the discussion" during his return year to the Wizards. I agree, in 2 months we'll know more.
And AD wanted to play with Lebron, because he wanted a championship and they have complimentary styles/games. Lebron doesn't make AD better, just gave AD a solid chance at a championship. Any player that needs the ball in his hands, isn't made better by being on a team with Lebron (or Giannis, or others for that matter). For instance, Steph Curry would not be made better by being on a team with Lebron, and Lebron wouldn't be made better by being on a team with Steph...both players would benefit from playing with AD.
If I was Golden State, and was offered a healthy Lebron or AD, you'd have to be an idiot not to take AD. Not because of who is better/worse, but rather simply who can compliment your existing star the best.
Sultan is right though, it is click bait, designed to troll people. They got me. I need to be better.
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He's outside of the top 10 in several advanced stats often used to assess MVP candidates. These include WS/48 and PER ratings. In both of those stats he is behind AD.
There is the argument against him being top 10.
I agree with you that he is still top 10, but it is a pretty easy argument to say otherwise.
Him being "in the discussion" right now is ridiculous. Just like it was ridiculous when Jordan was "in the discussion" during his return year to the Wizards. I agree, in 2 months we'll know more.
And AD wanted to play with Lebron, because he wanted a championship and they have complimentary styles/games. Lebron doesn't make AD better, just gave AD a solid chance at a championship. Any player that needs the ball in his hands, isn't made better by being on a team with Lebron (or Giannis, or others for that matter). For instance, Steph Curry would not be made better by being on a team with Lebron, and Lebron wouldn't be made better by being on a team with Steph...both players would benefit from playing with AD.
If I was Golden State, and was offered a healthy Lebron or AD, you'd have to be an idiot not to take AD. Not because of who is better/worse, but rather simply who can compliment your existing star the best.
Sultan is right though, it is click bait, designed to troll people. They got me. I need to be better.
OK. We will agree to disagree about most of this.
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OK. We will agree to disagree about most of this.
And I need to remember to suppress my Lebron hate. I swear in another life/dimension he must have kicked my dog or something, because he really gets under my skin and I don't have a great reason why.
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Acting, flopping Harden dupes refs into calling game-deciding (and bogus) offensive foul on Kawhi.
Terrible.
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Acting, flopping Harden dupes refs into calling game-deciding (and bogus) offensive foul on Kawhi.
Terrible.
It’s probably a no call, but Kawhi did extend his arm and clear out. Harden was playing very good defense and KL doesn’t get to the rim unless he did. However, players do it all the time and don’t get called. It was kind of bizarre.
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Maybe they’ll both sit until they’re traded to a team together.
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It’s probably a no call, but Kawhi did extend his arm and clear out. Harden was playing very good defense and KL doesn’t get to the rim unless he did. However, players do it all the time and don’t get called. It was kind of bizarre.
Harden actually reached out and put both hands on Kawhi before Kawhi extended his arm. Should have been no call, but Harden made the initial contact and maintained it. And then, after Kawhi extended his arm to get Harden off of him, Harden acted as if he had just been shot by a sniper.
Hey, I don't blame Harden (who, BTW, might be playing the best all-around basketball of his career). It was a brutally bad call IMHO.
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Nuggets had 4-on-1 break down by 2 with 5-6 seconds left last night.
Instead of going for the easy tying layup, all 4 players stopped at the arc and they ended up bricking a 3.
Stoopid.
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Nuggets had 4-on-1 break down by 2 with 5-6 seconds left last night.
Instead of going for the easy tying layup, all 4 players stopped at the arc and they ended up bricking a 3.
Stoopid.
I saw that. What a mess.
Shows that even at the professional level, sometimes the guys just screw up.
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Nuggets had 4-on-1 break down by 2 with 5-6 seconds left last night.
Instead of going for the easy tying layup, all 4 players stopped at the arc and they ended up bricking a 3.
Stoopid.
Jamal Murray took a lot of heat, but if you watch him, he pulls up, draws Beal towards him, and then rears back for what looks like an overhand bounce pass into a wide open lane....but Porter Jr, who has proven to be kind of a dolt, inexplicably drifts to the perimeter instead of where Murray was looking to pass it. Campazzo is an extremely smart player normally, no clue why he didn’t notice MPJ screwed up and cut to the lane himself. Just baffling execution
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Jamal Murray took a lot of heat, but if you watch him, he pulls up, draws Beal towards him, and then rears back for what looks like an overhand bounce pass into a wide open lane....but Porter Jr, who has proven to be kind of a dolt, inexplicably drifts to the perimeter instead of where Murray was looking to pass it. Campazzo is an extremely smart player normally, no clue why he didn’t notice MPJ screwed up and cut to the lane himself. Just baffling execution
Totally agree. Murray could have been more aggressive there, but it was the two guys on his right who just stopped at the arc. Crazy.
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Jamal Murray took a lot of heat, but if you watch him, he pulls up, draws Beal towards him, and then rears back for what looks like an overhand bounce pass into a wide open lane....but Porter Jr, who has proven to be kind of a dolt, inexplicably drifts to the perimeter instead of where Murray was looking to pass it. Campazzo is an extremely smart player normally, no clue why he didn’t notice MPJ screwed up and cut to the lane himself. Just baffling execution
This makes a lot of sense. I kept wondering why at least one of the other 2 didn't make an aggressive cut for an easy bucket.
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Jimmy and the Heat on a streak and about to go on a big run.
Hes playing top 10 level ball since his rona break. Dragic is back. Herro and Bradley should be soon.
That team still really strong.
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Jimmy and the Heat on a streak and about to go on a big run.
Hes playing top 10 level ball since his rona break. Dragic is back. Herro and Bradley should be soon.
That team still really strong.
Yes. Jimmy is getting back to elite balling.
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I do think the incessant launching of the 3pt shot is making the NBA game less watchable. It also skews the stats historically. Part of the problem is while analytics are here to stay they don't tell you how dumb that play was in the Denver game. Or for example how many bad three point shots lead to easy points on the other end.
Also, the way the game is refereed is problematic. Not only can't you touch a guy on the perimeter, but often they jump into you and draw 3 FT's a la Harden. That's not basketball imo. I think they should definitely push the line back for starters but I would also bring back more physicality on the ball.
They just took the goal of scoring more points too far. They take tons of threes and lots of FT's. There is no longer competent post or mid-range play. No one wants to see brawls and mugging like the late 80's/90's but I think it's time to tweak a few things.
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I believe the Bucks are 1-11 when tied or trailing going into the fourth this season (with the 1 win being a tie last game against the NOP). So today Bud sits on his timeouts while leading by 11 coming down the stretch of the 3rd and gives up a 13-0 run, and then STILL goes to his garbage lineup to close out the quarter, seeing the run balloon to 21-5. So now the Bucks get to play from behind in the fourth after being in complete control all game.
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I believe the Bucks are 1-11 when tied or trailing going into the fourth this season (with the 1 win being a tie last game against the NOP). So today Bud sits on his timeouts while leading by 11 coming down the stretch of the 3rd and gives up a 13-0 run, and then STILL goes to his garbage lineup to close out the quarter, seeing the run balloon to 21-5. So now the Bucks get to play from behind in the fourth after being in complete control all game.
He took a TO when they cut it to five. Agree about the line up though.
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I believe the Bucks are 1-11 when tied or trailing going into the fourth this season (with the 1 win being a tie last game against the NOP). So today Bud sits on his timeouts while leading by 11 coming down the stretch of the 3rd and gives up a 13-0 run, and then STILL goes to his garbage lineup to close out the quarter, seeing the run balloon to 21-5. So now the Bucks get to play from behind in the fourth after being in complete control all game.
Would Brad Stevens be an upgrade? I assume so, but don’t know if the shine is off him a bit.
Naturally, this is all assuming he’s not begging for the MU job.
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I haven’t watched much of the Bucks. Is their defensive rebounding always this bad?
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He took a TO when they cut it to five. Agree about the line up though.
Got it. I thought it was very early, more just one of the timeouts where there hasn’t been a break so you take one.
And now, after great defense for 2.5 quarters, the Clippers are very comfortable and the Bucks can’t get stops. They almost always give up a run to close out the third and have zero momentum going into the fourth when they play a quality team.
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The FF would have exploded with that Giannis block.
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Fun game. Did not think the Bucks would get the momentum back. I really like this team. I just don’t trust Bud to make adjustments necessary. But maybe he’s just using the regular season to figure things out.
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Fun game. Did not think the Bucks would get the momentum back. I really like this team. I just don’t trust Bud to make adjustments necessary. But maybe he’s just using the regular season to figure things out.
This how I feel but maybe they are starting to figure it out.
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If y'all haven't seen SNL's Weekend Update's hilarious segment on Lavar Ball talking about LaMelo (and other stuff), I highly recommend.
And speaking of LaMelo ...
Super entertaining game between the Hornets and Kings late last night. Hornets win 127-126 on an old-fashioned 3-point play by Malik Monk, who has gone from being in the doghouse to being a stud. Hornets win despite missing 3 starters, including top scorer Gordon Hayward, and are now only 1 game under .500.
LaMelo - who leads all rookies in scoring, assists and rebounds - goes 24-12-4. PJ Washington gets 42. Monk 21 off the bench.
The Kings' young backcourt is really dynamic, with Hield and Fox combining for 50. I have to admit that Hield is a lot better pro than I thought he'd be.
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Bucks better makes some moves at the trade deadline, 'cuz they ain't chit. 10 pts outta the startin' backcourt ain't gonna cut it. I'd dump anyone not named Holiday, hey?
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Bucks better makes some moves at the trade deadline, 'cuz they ain't chit. 10 pts outta the startin' backcourt ain't gonna cut it. I'd dump anyone not named Holiday, hey?
But this is why they targeted Bogdan. Dante is just a guy.
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It sounds like the players got rid of Lloyd Pierce in Atlanta. Having watched the Bucks it seems to me their problems are defense and how Budenholzer uses Giannjs. I would agree they need to make a move. Brooklyn is just too talented.
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It sounds like the players got rid of Lloyd Pierce in Atlanta. Having watched the Bucks it seems to me their problems are defense and how Budenholzer uses Giannjs. I would agree they need to make a move. Brooklyn is just too talented.
I think that’s totally merited in ATL. You look at that team, they have a bonafide stud in Young, a really good player in Collins, some fantastic high upside young talent with Hunter and Reddish, then solid supporting players like Capela, Huerter, and Gallo (who also provides some vet experience and presence)...but they STINK. Their inconsistency is baffling. I know Bogdan has missed a lot of games but still
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I think that’s totally merited in ATL. You look at that team, they have a bonafide stud in Young, a really good player in Collins, some fantastic high upside young talent with Hunter and Reddish, then solid supporting players like Capela, Huerter, and Gallo (who also provides some vet experience and presence)...but they STINK. Their inconsistency is baffling. I know Bogdan has missed a lot of games but still
Can the worst defender in the NBA be a bonafide stud? He absolutely kills them at that end. He's also not the most efficient guy on offense. Tons of skill, can score and pass the ball, but not sure he makes teams better at this point.
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Bucks signing Myles Powell to a two-way. Sigh.
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Can the worst defender in the NBA be a bonafide stud? He absolutely kills them at that end. He's also not the most efficient guy on offense. Tons of skill, can score and pass the ball, but not sure he makes teams better at this point.
This. The Hawks will never be any good with Trae Young as their leader.
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Can the worst defender in the NBA be a bonafide stud? He absolutely kills them at that end. He's also not the most efficient guy on offense. Tons of skill, can score and pass the ball, but not sure he makes teams better at this point.
I don’t think he’s the guy to make a team great, but he’s certainly good enough to push an offense to a playoff level. Russell Westbrook type problems
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I don’t think he’s the guy to make a team great, but he’s certainly good enough to push an offense to a playoff level. Russell Westbrook type problems
I don't think as highly as you do of Young but agree the coaching staff wasn't close to tapping the potential of the roster. The firing seemed fair.
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Bucks signing Myles Powell to a two-way. Sigh.
The Bucks, bad again. Nature is healing.
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It's a real shame Embiid didn't come to MU. I also remember Mike Dunleavy Sr. saying that Jo-Jo was by far the best player in that draft.
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Worth the Bucks playing like absolute garbage in the second half to have Jrue hit that game winner. Welcome back.
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Jimmy Buckets!!!!!!!!
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Worth the Bucks playing like absolute garbage in the second half to have Jrue hit that game winner. Welcome back.
If there is one thing I have gathered casually skimming this thread at times.
You are a huge Jrue Holiday guy
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If there is one thing I have gathered casually skimming this thread at times.
You are a huge Jrue Holiday guy
Yes. Very big fan of his. He probably gets the benefit of simply not being Eric Bledsoe, but still.
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In an interesting article, the Hornets coach talked about how, in normal seasons, he'd be down to an 8-9 man rotation by now. But because the team will be playing 37 games in 67 days after the ASB, he'll have a 10-man rotation or even more sometimes.
The Hornets, like most teams, are scheduled to have only 2 instances of 2 straight off days in the final 2 months, and have a ton of back-to-backs.
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Blake Griffin to the Nets. My god. We’ve discussed how rough he’s been since his injury, but very interesting to see how he can be not having to be option 1 or 2.
He’s a very good passer. Which just makes it silly. You have 4 exceptionally skilled iso players in Durant, Harden, Kyrie, and now Blake. All are very good passers. You have 2 other guys who shoot north of 40% from 3 in Harris and Jeff Green.
You can basically run inside out iso with a combo of 2 of those 4 and then 1 of the shooters floating. Coached by a staff that’s speciality is spacing and ball movement. My god.
Yea Blake plays bad defense, but the Nets were never gonna be the early 2000s Pistons. Figuring out a way to slow them down offensively is going to be impossible.
Not expecting All Star Blake, but the Blazers have shown how dangerous a former superstar can be in a pared down, less focused role with Melo.
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Blake Griffin to the Nets. My god. We’ve discussed how rough he’s been since his injury, but very interesting to see how he can be not having to be option 1 or 2.
He’s a very good passer. Which just makes it silly. You have 4 exceptionally skilled iso players in Durant, Harden, Kyrie, and now Blake. All are very good passers. You have 2 other guys who shoot north of 40% from 3 in Harris and Jeff Green.
You can basically run inside out iso with a combo of 2 of those 4 and then 1 of the shooters floating. Coached by a staff that’s speciality is spacing and ball movement. My god.
Yea Blake plays bad defense, but the Nets were never gonna be the early 2000s Pistons. Figuring out a way to slow them down offensively is going to be impossible.
Not expecting All Star Blake, but the Blazers have shown how dangerous a former superstar can be in a pared down, less focused role with Melo.
Darn. I seriously was thinking he might be a fit with the Hornets. Rich get richer. I'm sure it's a very low-risk deal for the Nets.
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The Inside the NBA 4 part documentary that wraps up tonight has been so damn good.
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In his 15 games since moving into the Hornets' starting lineup, LaMelo is averaging 20.7 points, 6.7 assists, 6.2 rebounds, and is using his funky form to shoot 45% from 3-point range.
Leads all rookies in scoring, assists and rebounds. And there are not many players who are more fun to watch. Sky's the limit.
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In his 15 games since moving into the Hornets' starting lineup, LaMelo is averaging 20.7 points, 6.7 assists, 6.2 rebounds, and is using his funky form to shoot 45% from 3-point range.
Leads all rookies in scoring, assists and rebounds. And there are not many players who are more fun to watch. Sky's the limit.
LaMelo Ball is the real deal. Best rookie so far and only Tyrese Haliburton is close.
Meanwhile, Anthony Edwards is a low efficiency volume scorer, just as he was in college. Right now, Edwards is dead last among in advanced metrics like VORP and Win Shares. In fact, he's negative in both.
Ball leads all rookies in VORP and Win Shares. Looks like a huge win for the Hornets. And if Edwards doesn't improve, a huge miss for Minnesota.
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LaMelo Ball is the real deal. Best rookie so far and only Tyrese Haliburton is close.
Meanwhile, Anthony Edwards is a low efficiency volume scorer, just as he was in college. Right now, Edwards is dead last among in advanced metrics like VORP and Win Shares. In fact, he's negative in both.
Ball leads all rookies in VORP and Win Shares. Looks like a huge win for the Hornets. And if Edwards doesn't improve, a huge miss for Minnesota.
Hornets picked 3rd, and it was obvious the top 3 would be Edwards, Wiseman and Ball. I was hoping the Hornets would get LaMelo. Second choice was Wiseman because I thought he could mature into a Bosh-type player. I didn't want Edwards, so I was thrilled when the Wolves picked him.
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I was just surprised to read that the best "clutch" team in the league is Charlotte.
The NBA defines clutch time as the last five minutes of a game with a margin of five points or less. In those situations, the Hornets have outscored opponents by a league-best margin of 53.4 points per 100 possessions.
Terry Rozier has been at the heart of that. In 39 clutch-time minutes, he has scored 48 points, shooting 13 of 23 from the field and 9 of 17 from 3-point range. The Hornets are 10-4 in those games. Each of the last 3 games, he has won with a series of incredible plays. Thursday, with Jordan sitting courtside, he rallied Charlotte with a 4-point play (fouled while making a 25-footer) and two circus-shot floaters.
I was one of many who thought the Hornets way overpaid for Rozier as a replacement for Kemba. But he has been very good in his year and a half in Charlotte, and so far this season he has been quite a bit better than Kemba.
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Jimmy should be a legitimate MVP candiate.
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Henry Ellenson getting a lot of run against the Bulls tonight.
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Lakers coach Frank Vogel chose Kuzma to shoot a technical FT last night. Kuzma, 65% from the line, shot an airball.
Warriors players were laughing their asses off. Guess they needed a reason chuckle, as they lost by about 800 points.
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I'm watching Zion W.
He's VERY cool. Temendous quickness and athleticism. I'm not sure why he doesn't touch the ball every possession. A bigger Barkley? He's totally unguardable inside.
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Jimmy should be a legitimate MVP candiate.
Still going
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What an incredibly idiotic defensive effort by Donte giving Philly a wide open 3 to tie the game.
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LaMelo Ball out for the year.
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LaMelo Ball out for the year.
F4ck.
I feel bad for the kid, and for the Hornets.
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Awful to hear the news on LaMelo Ball. The good news ia he's 19.
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Awful to hear the news on LaMelo Ball. The good news ia he's 19.
Yeah, long term he'll be fine. The Hornets finally were making strides this season. They don't play a lick of defense, but they have an entertaining offensive team with a lot of weapons, and LaMelo became the engine behind it.
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RIP Elgin Baylor.
Great player, not-so-great GM.
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RIP Elgin Baylor.
Great player, not-so-great GM.
Before my time as a fan but I've seen video and read a lot about him. He was Julius and Michael of that era.
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Who was better Baylor or West? It seems like Mr. Baylor was underrated, his early stats are sick. Plus he changed the game. May he rest in peace.
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Arturas Karnisovas and Marc Eversley this morning.
(https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/5b27e1e1620b85218fbc6cc3/1579579755449-KPY6GU7FHH8PASER8ZFN/Trading+places+2.gif?content-type=image%2Fgif)
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Love the Vuc trade for the Bulls honestly. People overvalue draft picks. They get a proven All Star in his prime, a decent role player, and shed a terrible contract. If they somehow move Lauri for Lonzo, Karnisovas will have remade the shizshow of GarPax in a day and created a very interesting team.
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Hornets GM says LaMelo might be back in time to play during the last month of the regular season and then the playoffs.
“There is a possibility (of Ball playing again), just based on other players who have had this injury, that maybe he does come back for some portion of the year," Mitch Kupchak said. “The one thing we know we’re not going to do in any event is put his health in jeopardy. If we get to the end of the (regular season), and we’re in a playoff hunt, and he’s not quite ready — (where) we feel we could get him back on the court and push it — we won’t do that.”
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Bucks starting to look a little better. 10-4 since the beginning of March. And last night, Giannis was unstoppable against Portland. 47 points (18–21 FGs, 11-13 FTs) and 12 boards.
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Bucks starting to look a little better. 10-4 since the beginning of March. And last night, Giannis was unstoppable against Portland. 47 points (18–21 FGs, 11-13 FTs) and 12 boards.
I thought it would take at least half of this season for the Bucks to gel - especially on defense. So many new players this year. It takes time to develop the kind of teamwork necessary to do well in the playoffs. Barring injury, they shguld be ready to go next month.
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Holiday signing a 4 year extension with Bucks, great news considering the picks they gave up for him.
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Huge number for Jrue, but glad to hear he’s settled in and likes it in MKE. Really wish they could have a Big 3 of Jrue, Giannis, and then find a third instead of Middleton, but it is what it is
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Worth every penny and trade.
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Jrue is just beginning to settle in and assert himself in this offense - every game I notice a new facet of his game that just completely lifts this team in a way Bled could not. Last night without Giannis and Khris in a funk early was just a Jrue clinic. Look forward to seeing playoff Jrue.
A max for 4 years into his 30s is a lot of money, and it's going to be a challenge to field a roster around the big 3 contracts. But at least they'll have the opportunity to try.
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Nice job by the Bucks.
We'll get to see over the next few years if Holiday, Giannis and Middleton are good enough stars for the "you need 3 stars to win championships" rule to bring a title to Milwaukee.
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The Bucks should have fun tonight against the Hornets' JV squad.
If Milwaukee loses, Bud should be fired before the postgame press conference.
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The Bucks should have fun tonight against the Hornets' JV squad.
If Milwaukee loses, Bud should be fired before the postgame press conference.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31224937/milwaukee-bucks-rule-all-five-starters-vs-charlotte-hornets (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31224937/milwaukee-bucks-rule-all-five-starters-vs-charlotte-hornets)
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https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31224937/milwaukee-bucks-rule-all-five-starters-vs-charlotte-hornets (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31224937/milwaukee-bucks-rule-all-five-starters-vs-charlotte-hornets)
Yeah ... I didn’t know the Bucks were gonna play their backup JV team.
Hornets needed the game a lot more than the Bucks did.
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Zach Lavine had 39 in the first half last night for the Bulls, 7/9 from 3, and they were cruising over the Hawks. My friends were going crazy, talking about 60.
Lavine scuffles in the second half, doesn’t hit another 3, and the Bulls end up scoring less in the second half than Lavine had himself in the first, until a pair of garbage time baskets, one of which got Lavine to 50. Brutal
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Zach Lavine had 39 in the first half last night for the Bulls, 7/9 from 3, and they were cruising over the Hawks. My friends were going crazy, talking about 60.
Lavine scuffles in the second half, doesn’t hit another 3, and the Bulls end up scoring less in the second half than Lavine had himself in the first, until a pair of garbage time baskets, one of which got Lavine to 50. Brutal
Thanks for nothing, Bulls. Wanted you to win this game!
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Alex Rodriguez and Marc Lore are purchasing a minority stake in the Minnesota Timberwolves, with plans to take control of the franchise in two years.
https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1381018036619128845?s=21
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Alex Rodriguez and Marc Lore are purchasing a minority stake in the Minnesota Timberwolves, with plans to take control of the franchise in two years.
https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1381018036619128845?s=21
So, where will they be playing then? My money is on them evolving into the Seattle Sonicwolves.
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Nah, Seattle Superwolves, if Seattle still exists, hey?
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Nah, Seattle Superwolves, if Seattle still exists, hey?
Well, the name of the arena is “Climate Pledge” so it will be spared.
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I so wanted the new hockey team in Seattle to be called the Starpucks.
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I so wanted the new hockey team in Seattle to be called the Starpucks.
Considering Howard Schultz’s legacy in Seattle sports that was never going to happen...but it should have. Brilliant!
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Considering Howard Schultz’s legacy in Seattle sports that was never going to happen...but it should have. Brilliant!
Of course ... but I loved the name.
Kraken? Quite silly ... though they do have a pretty cool logo.
(https://mma.prnewswire.com/media/1218874/Seattle_Kraken_Logo.jpg?p=publish&w=200)
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Of course ... but I loved the name.
Kraken? Quite silly ... though they do have a pretty cool logo.
(https://mma.prnewswire.com/media/1218874/Seattle_Kraken_Logo.jpg?p=publish&w=200)
100%. Great logo, not so great name. I was hoping for Sockeyes.
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Jamal Murray tearing his ACL really blows. I love watching the Nuggets.
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Jamal Murray tearing his ACL really blows. I love watching the Nuggets.
Its terrible. Ive never been an Aaron Gordon fan, but that was a really nice trade and they were playing fantastic since he joined. Facu and Jokic are the best and most creative passing duo in the league and the team just plays really fun basketball. Just a gut punch
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Lol
https://twitter.com/thecomeback/status/1382129997196926978?s=21
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A friend of mine just shared this stat:
There are only three players in the history of the NBA that have recorded 40 or more games of 10 assiata and zero turnovers in their career. Jason Kidd is 4th with 27 games. Without looking can you guess the top 3?
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A friend of mine just shared this stat:
There are only three players in the history of the NBA that have recorded 40 or more games of 10 assiata and zero turnovers in their career. Jason Kidd is 4th with 27 games. Without looking can you guess the top 3?
Off the top of my head, probably Stockton and CP3
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Off the top of my head, probably Stockton and CP3
You got 2/3
Stockton is #2 with 44 games
CP3 is # 3 with 42 games.
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You got 2/3
Stockton is #2 with 44 games
CP3 is # 3 with 42 games.
Magic? But probably Lebron.
I can't imagine Harden has had that many 0 assist games.
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You got 2/3
Stockton is #2 with 44 games
CP3 is # 3 with 42 games.
Nash?
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Nope, nope, nope. Remember.....zero turns those 40+ games.
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Jokic.
Just tell us.
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I'm disappointed in you all. My only hint is he is not a Hall of Famer.
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Magic? But probably Lebron.
I can't imagine Harden has had that many 0 assist games.
Interesting stat.
Before Anthony Davis got hurt, the Lakers were 21-6.
After Davis got hurt, and before Lebron got hurt they went 7-8.
After beating Utah tonight, the Lakers are now 7-8 since Lebron got hurt.
It will be interesting to see how they do when Davis comes back.
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I'm disappointed in you all. My only hint is he is not a Hall of Famer.
Knowing you, it’s probably Muggsy
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Knowing you, it’s probably Muggsy
Bam!!
46 times Bogues achieved this feat!
In all seriousness that's incredibly impressive. To think at his height he was so skilled as to rarely turn it over is a testament to his ball-handling, decision making, and prime-time zoomability. He never gets the credit he deserves for his ball-handling. Is it because he wasn't flashy like Uncle Drew?
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Muggsy is the reason I'm a WF fan, granted I lived in W-S the same time he was at WF.
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Bam!!
46 times Bogues achieved this feat!
In all seriousness that's incredibly impressive. To think at his height he was so skilled as to rarely turn it over is a testament to his ball-handling, decision making, and prime-time zoomability. He never gets the credit he deserves for his ball-handling. Is it because he wasn't flashy like Uncle Drew?
It’s because he was a good, but not great player, who played on a lot of good but not great teams, and last played 20 years ago.
I mean the guy never made an all star team.
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Muggsy is the reason I'm a WF fan, granted I lived in W-S the same time he was at WF.
I'm envious! I've only watched him on video and have not seen his WF games I enjoyed the 30/30 "Baltimore Boys" if you haven't seen it.
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Bam!!
46 times Bogues achieved this feat!
In all seriousness that's incredibly impressive. To think at his height he was so skilled as to rarely turn it over is a testament to his ball-handling, decision making, and prime-time zoomability. He never gets the credit he deserves for his ball-handling. Is it because he wasn't flashy like Uncle Drew?
I’d argue that his height actually contributed to his lack of turnovers as much as anything. Keeping your dribble low is always taught as way to keep control and prevent steals, well he could dribble at his waist and be way lower than a 6 foot PG.
Also, the Kyrie comparison is just not a good one. Muggsy was never a scorer, I think he averaged more than 10 points twice. That’s a very different type of handles than someone like Kyrie who is breaking people down off the dribble to get to the rim and get himself open for jumpers. He may be an enigma and a difficult teammate but what he does with a basketball is absolutely sublime. I’ve never seen a Muggsy highlight in the same realm.
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I’d argue that his height actually contributed to his lack of turnovers as much as anything. Keeping your dribble low is always taught as way to keep control and prevent steals, well he could dribble at his waist and be way lower than a 6 foot PG.
Also, the Kyrie comparison is just not a good one. Muggsy was never a scorer, I think he averaged more than 10 points twice. That’s a very different type of handles than someone like Kyrie who is breaking people down off the dribble to get to the rim and get himself open for jumpers. He may be an enigma and a difficult teammate but what he does with a basketball is absolutely sublime. I’ve never seen a Muggsy highlight in the same realm.
Yes, Kyrie has more flash and the ball is in his hands more. We can also add Curry to this discussion. However, the question is, even as a scorer, are you a better ball-handler if you turn ball over 3 times as much as another guy as a PG?
I realize I am biased but Muggsy by all accounts could not be pressed. Now you can say this is because he was lower to the ground, but his vertical and lateral quickness is superior to anyone I've ever seen. That includes Iverson.
He blew by guys when they tried to pressure like Shaq dominated the paint in his prime or a Walrus dominates clams. I don't think people realize the level of quickness that we're talking about. This attribute made it nearly impossible to pressure him even from guys with great length that could disrupt his passing. All I'm saying is he absolutely should be in the discussion among the greatest ball-handlers imo.
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Muggsy was really great except for the couple weeks the Monstars stole his talent
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Yes, Kyrie has more flash and the ball is in his hands more. We can also add Curry to this discussion. However, the question is, even as a scorer, are you a better ball-handler if you turn ball over 3 times as much as another guy as a PG?
I realize I am biased but Muggsy by all accounts could not be pressed. Now you can say this is because he was lower to the ground, but his vertical and lateral quickness is superior to anyone I've ever seen. That includes Iverson.
He blew by guys when they tried to pressure like Shaq dominated the paint in his prime or a Walrus dominates clams. I don't think people realize the level of quickness that we're talking about. This attribute made it nearly impossible to pressure him even from guys with great length that could disrupt his passing. All I'm saying is he absolutely should be in the discussion among the greatest ball-handlers imo.
He was very quick and shifty, there is no denying that, but his ball handling was very much straight line. Press him and he’d blow past you up court. There isn’t a ton of film on him carving guys up on the perimeter. Creating space with devastating crossovers or wizardry, etc...He wasn’t even the best ball handlers of his contemporaries with guys like Tim Hardaway and Isiah Thomas. Then you add in the Iverson, Curry, Kyrie, Maravich, Chris Paul set.
Bogues was a unique talent and I know he’s your guy, but there is a reason he was never an All Star and isn’t talked about as an all time great in even a category like ball handling. Cause he was always “very good” at his peak, but not all time great level
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Yes, Kyrie has more flash and the ball is in his hands more. We can also add Curry to this discussion. However, the question is, even as a scorer, are you a better ball-handler if you turn ball over 3 times as much as another guy as a PG?
Yes, we can argue just that.
Irving, Curry, Iverson, etc, took/take many more chances than Bogues did, often driving into the lane to either set up themselves or their teammates. That's how their offenses functioned. They weren't/aren't just making a bounce pass to LJ or Mourning on the block, standing back, and watching the big guys go to work.
I liked Muggsy as a player, but let's be real about how good he was. He was good. The others much better than good.
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I haven't argued he's as good as these players a single time in this discussion. I'm specifically talking about his ability to handle the basketball. Full disclosure I was 5-10 yrs old during Muggsy's prime but have watched quite a bit of video. He primarily went downhill or laterally without yo-yoing like a Kyrie, Iverson, Curry, etc.
He was a pass first guy always, since he was a child. Just because he didn't attack to score doesn't mean he could not yo-yo for a step-back or what have you. It wasn't his game as he could get to any spot he wanted to without the flash.
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I haven't argued he's as good as these players a single time in this discussion. I'm specifically talking about his ability to handle the basketball. Full disclosure I was 5-10 yrs old during Muggsy's prime but have watched quite a bit of video. He primarily went downhill or laterally without yo-yoing like a Kyrie, Iverson, Curry, etc.
He was a pass first guy always, since he was a child. Just because he didn't attack to score doesn't mean he could not yo-yo for a step-back or what have you. It wasn't his game as he could get to any spot he wanted to without the flash.
I saw him play live back in the day. Yeah he was a good ball handling PG, but he could not get to any spot he wanted to - at least consistently. Backcourts with size gave him troubles. Again, he was good, but not great. And if you throw his size in there, he did the absolute most with his abilities. But if I'm picking the best point guards of his era, he's not in my top 10.
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I saw him play live back in the day. Yeah he was a good ball handling PG, but he could not get to any spot he wanted to - at least consistently. Backcourts with size gave him troubles. Again, he was good, but not great. And if you throw his size in there, he did the absolute most with his abilities. But if I'm picking the best point guards of his era, he's not in my top 10.
I'm sure you're being fair FBM. At the same time our diminutive citizens are often overlooked. :)
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Sterling Brown was jumped outside of a nightclub in Miami and got hit in the head with a bottle. Good lord, dude can’t catch a break
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Sterling Brown was jumped outside of a nightclub in Miami and got hit in the head with a bottle. Good lord, dude can’t catch a break
He was targeted or was it a random thing?
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Curry is still absolutely ridiculous. 40+ again tonight.
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Curry is still absolutely ridiculous. 40+ again tonight.
He ain’t human.
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Curry is still absolutely ridiculous. 40+ again tonight.
Curry is truly one of a kind. Just absurdly amazing basketball player.
This season every team knows to shut him down. They are often running two defenders at him non-stop. he still beats them. No player like him right now in terms of domination.
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Curry is truly one of a kind. Just absurdly amazing basketball player.
This season every team knows to shut him down. They are often running two defenders at him non-stop. he still beats them. No player like him right now in terms of domination.
Curry has no superstar with him with has to carry the team with constant double teams. People were making fun of him and the Warriors early in the year, how he couldn’t play without a star and carry a team.
So what has he done in April? Over 10 games, he’s averaging 41 pts on 51% 3pt shooting on 14 attempts per game. LMAO. WTF man. I mean, that’s playing NBA2K on beginner mode.
I also saw a graphic, after tonight, he has 21 games with 10 or more 3PT made. Klay Thompson is second with 5 games. Nobody else has more than 3....STEPH HAS 4 IN APRIL ALONE. There are simply not proper superlatives for him
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Curry has no superstar with him with has to carry the team with constant double teams. People were making fun of him and the Warriors early in the year, how he couldn’t play without a star and carry a team.
So what has he done in April? Over 10 games, he’s averaging 41 pts on 51% 3pt shooting on 14 attempts per game. LMAO. WTF man. I mean, that’s playing NBA2K on beginner mode.
I also saw a graphic, after tonight, he has 21 games with 10 or more 3PT made. Klay Thompson is second with 5 games. Nobody else has more than 3....STEPH HAS 4 IN APRIL ALONE. There are simply not proper superlatives for him
How about this stat: Curry has 20 games of 10 or more triples. Number two is Klay Thompson with 5 and then there are several with 3. So in the last 10 games he's tied for 3rd all time with 10 triples in a single game. :)
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Not only is Curry the best shooter I've ever seen, he's easily the best player among those who are described first as "shooters." He is so much more than just a 3-point shooter, but he is so great in that incredible, valuable skill that the rest of his game is often overlooked.
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How about this stat: Curry has 20 games of 10 or more triples. Number two is Klay Thompson with 5 and then there are several with 3. So in the last 10 games he's tied for 3rd all time with 10 triples in a single game. :)
Did you just rephrase my last paragraph in a more confusing way as a new stat? :o ;D
Not only is Curry the best shooter I've ever seen, he's easily the best player among those who are described first as "shooters." He is so much more than just a 3-point shooter, but he is so great in that incredible, valuable skill that the rest of his game is often overlooked.
Completely. Honestly, after the Davidson run that shattered the Badgers hearts and won my favor forever, I kind of forgot about him for a few years. He was good but not super remarkable those first few years. But the 2013 playoffs is where I was completely sold. And it wasn’t even his shooting, it was his passing. There was so much flare and skill and precision. And people got sick of the dancing and celebrations when they were juggernauts, but it was the same with him and Klay then, before he had even made an ASG. It was just “holy hell” at his vision, his cajones to make the daring play, all before becoming a sniper from 35.
And we talked about it in previous posts, but if he wasn’t the best shooter of all time, people would talk about his dribbling WAYYY more. This was from tonight
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4Heb1c6ClmM
He makes 3 dribbles including a cross between the legs and behind his back without the ball getting more than a foot from his body, which is enough to get even a savvy experienced defender off kilter and then he’s toast. He’d be the best ball handler in the league if not for Kyrie. Which is preposterous given what a shooter he is.
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Curry has no superstar with him with has to carry the team with constant double teams. People were making fun of him and the Warriors early in the year, how he couldn’t play without a star and carry a team.
So what has he done in April? Over 10 games, he’s averaging 41 pts on 51% 3pt shooting on 14 attempts per game. LMAO. WTF man. I mean, that’s playing NBA2K on beginner mode.
I also saw a graphic, after tonight, he has 21 games with 10 or more 3PT made. Klay Thompson is second with 5 games. Nobody else has more than 3....STEPH HAS 4 IN APRIL ALONE. There are simply not proper superlatives for him
Curry has just been an absolute joy to watch the past couple of weeks. That graphic about the number of 10+3PT games is remarkable. They also mentioned during the game tonight that he is the first guy in NBA history to have 50+ three-pointers over a six game stretch.
Like you said, he makes you run out of superlatives.
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Curry has just been an absolute joy to watch the past couple of weeks. That graphic about the number of 10+3PT games is remarkable. They also mentioned during the game tonight that he is the first guy in NBA history to have 50+ three-pointers over a six game stretch.
Like you said, he makes you run out of superlatives.
I haven't followed very closely but is there a reason he's nor in the MVP discussion? Would that team win 15 games without him?
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That call to end the Bucks game was sure something.
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I haven't followed very closely but is there a reason he's nor in the MVP discussion? Would that team win 15 games without him?
I think it’s because guys rarely get much notice for MVP when their team is on the fringe of making the playoffs. But you’re right; Golden State would be positively awful without him.
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I think it’s because guys rarely get much notice for MVP when their team is on the fringe of making the playoffs. But you’re right; Golden State would be positively awful without him.
He's never had a season where he's shot under 41% from distance. Think about that for a second. He's way more than just a shooter but he's certainly the best long-distance shooter ever. The thing is unlike other great shooters he can spot-up and drain it off the dribble. He's also only shooting .922 from the line this year. Tough question but where would you rank him all-time? I think he's top 15. Certainly the best under 6'4. I actually think he's underrated because he creates so many opportunities for his teammates.
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Really glad the Bucks picked Monta Ellis over Steph in the Bogut trade so they could make a run at the 8 seed. Granted, they might have done NBA fans a favor because I don’t think Steph becomes this good with that coaching staff.
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I haven't followed very closely but is there a reason he's nor in the MVP discussion? Would that team win 15 games without him?
There was some chatter earlier in the year, and now again during this run, but not as much as is deserved. Likely, simply due to their record.
But despite his supernatural performances, Jokic has been unreal from a statistical perspective and should be the hands down favorite. If Embiid returns to his earlier season form he is also a front runner.
Jokic, Embiid, Curry, Harden, Giannis, and Lillard, are all having great years and down the stretch we'll have to see who differentiates themselves.
No one else should even be in the conversation.
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There was some chatter earlier in the year, and now again during this run, but not as much as is deserved. Likely, simply due to their record.
But despite his supernatural performances, Jokic has been unreal from a statistical perspective and should be the hands down favorite. If Embiid returns to his earlier season form he is also a front runner.
Jokic, Embiid, Curry, Harden, Giannis, and Lillard, are all having great years and down the stretch we'll have to see who differentiates themselves.
No one else should even be in the conversation.
I know you hate LeBron so much that you would be saying he’s undeserving even if the Lakers were unbeaten and he were averaging 50-30-20.
But they’re not, he’s not, and I agree with your list.
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He's never had a season where he's shot under 41% from distance. Think about that for a second. He's way more than just a shooter but he's certainly the best long-distance shooter ever. The thing is unlike other great shooters he can spot-up and drain it off the dribble. He's also only shooting .922 from the line this year. Tough question but where would you rank him all-time? I think he's top 15. Certainly the best under 6'4. I actually think he's underrated because he creates so many opportunities for his teammates.
I think he could end up borderline top 10. Besides the obvious greatness, he has changed the way the game is played.
Candidates for lower end of top 10 includes guys like Kobe, Oscar, Duncan, Shaq, Moses, West, Hakeem. I think Steph is in that group.
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I think he could end up borderline top 10. Besides the obvious greatness, he has changed the way the game is played.
Candidates for lower end of top 10 includes guys like Kobe, Oscar, Duncan, Shaq, Moses, West, Hakeem. I think Steph is in that group.
Is the top 6?
Jordan
Kareem
Lebron
Wilt
Bird
Magic
As far a 7-10 I think it's inordinately difficult. Can you really not have Russell? I have a really tough time not having Shaq there as well. It's really, really, tough after what I would imagine is most people's 1-6.
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Is the top 6?
Jordan
Kareem
Lebron
Wilt
Bird
Magic
As far a 7-10 I think it's inordinately difficult. Can you really not have Russell? I have a really tough time not having Shaq there as well. It's really, really, tough after what I would imagine is most people's 1-6.
It’s easy to name the top guys. It’s hard to set a particular order for them.
Even when narrowing it down to top 3 - MJ, Lebron, and Kareem - it’s hard to put then in order.
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It’s easy to name the top guys. It’s hard to set a particular order for them.
Even when narrowing it down to top 3 - MJ, Lebron, and Kareem - it’s hard to put then in order.
Agreed. And I think part of the difficulty is that those three guys had such monumentally different games.
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Didn't Curry's run start with Juan getting more minutes!?!
(https://crello.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/coincidence.gif)
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I know you hate LeBron so much that you would be saying he’s undeserving even if the Lakers were unbeaten and he were averaging 50-30-20.
50-30-20 and unbeaten, and I might, I emphasize might, give it to him. 40-20-10 and 1 loss, no chance in hell.
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What's up with Tyler Herro?
https://sports.yahoo.com/report-heat-concerned-tyler-herro-191203649.html
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What's up with Tyler Herro?
https://sports.yahoo.com/report-heat-concerned-tyler-herro-191203649.html
It looks like there’s rumors that his girlfriend who is an Instagram model is pregnant. But that’s hardly news for an NBA player.
Partying too much?
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Maybe Sam and Joey were right about not wanting Herro as a teammate, after all.
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50-30-20 and unbeaten, and I might, I emphasize might, give it to him. 40-20-10 and 1 loss, no chance in hell.
;)
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What's up with Tyler Herro?
https://sports.yahoo.com/report-heat-concerned-tyler-herro-191203649.html
He’s not set the world on fire this year, but I think it’s oversized expectations based on an unexpected boost to start his career. His shooting numbers (3PT% and EFG) are down a bit, nothing extreme, and his other stats have actually improved. He just hasn’t taken a leap.
Listen, the Heat very well may have concerns, but they are hyper sensitive, and as noted, had similar concerns during the Big 3 when they were winning titles. It’s part of what makes them a successful franchise. But by and large this feels like just hunting for a headline and story.
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It looks like there’s rumors that his girlfriend who is an Instagram model is pregnant. But that’s hardly news for an NBA player.
Partying too much?
Miami is a dangerous place to live if you have a lot of money and like to party. Can easily spiral out of control.
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lebron the insurrectionist and his 50 million twitter followers...he needs to apologize and call off his dogs. he just put the ohio cop and his family in danger, not to mention countless others this is not the way to unite and heal. this cop probably saved some black lives
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lebron the insurrectionist and his 50 million twitter followers...he needs to apologize and call off his dogs. he just put the ohio cop and his family in danger, not to mention countless others this is not the way to unite and heal. this cop probably saved some black lives
After the last 4 years you’re just now becoming worried about putting people on blast on Twitter?
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lebron the insurrectionist and his 50 million twitter followers...he needs to apologize and call off his dogs. he just put the ohio cop and his family in danger, not to mention countless others this is not the way to unite and heal. this cop probably saved some black lives
I really need to watch the news more, as I wasn't aware we elected him as president
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Ah yes, the good old “He should know his place”
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After the last 4 years you’re just now becoming worried about putting people on blast on Twitter?
in other words you approve of what he said? i thought BLM meant something? so which "lives" matter to you? just change the fake name man
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What's up with Tyler Herro?
https://sports.yahoo.com/report-heat-concerned-tyler-herro-191203649.html
Herro balled out tonight. 22 points, 5-6 from 3.
https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/gameId/401307687
KNunn continunig to look pretty good. The Heat have a talented young roster.
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Is the top 6?
Jordan
Kareem
Lebron
Wilt
Bird
Magic
As far a 7-10 I think it's inordinately difficult. Can you really not have Russell? I have a really tough time not having Shaq there as well. It's really, really, tough after what I would imagine is most people's 1-6.
Russell has 5 MVPs (playing against Wilt,Oscar and Baylor) and 11 championships in 13 years. Not to mention what he did in college. have to put him near the top of the list and certainly in the top 5 with the other two centers and Jordan and LaBron, Would also put the Big O over Bird and Magic. Shaq never led the league in rebounding. Russell led the NBA in rebounds four times, had a dozen consecutive seasons of 1,000 or more rebounds,and remains second all-time in both total rebounds and rebounds per game.
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I think he could end up borderline top 10. Besides the obvious greatness, he has changed the way the game is played.
Candidates for lower end of top 10 includes guys like Kobe, Oscar, Duncan, Shaq, Moses, West, Hakeem. I think Steph is in that group.
Does Steph lay defense like Oscar and West? How big a criteria is defense and does his lack thereof eliminate Steph?
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Ah yes, the good old “He should know his place”
No, but he should be more responsible. He has since deleted the tweet.
I guess he watched the video.
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Russell has 5 MVPs (playing against Wilt,Oscar and Baylor) and 11 championships in 13 years. Not to mention what he did in college. have to put him near the top of the list and certainly in the top 5 with the other two centers and Jordan and LaBron, Would also put the Big O over Bird and Magic. Shaq never led the league in rebounding. Russell led the NBA in rebounds four times, had a dozen consecutive seasons of 1,000 or more rebounds,and remains second all-time in both total rebounds and rebounds per game.
Russell > Shaq for sure IMHO. Ultimate winner, all-time dominant defender and rebounder, even won titles as player/coach. Not as big a scorer, but didn't need to be.
Hard to compare Russell to Bird and Magic. They were such different players, and those two, in addition to being great, were so instrumental to the survival (and then the ascension) of the NBA. I think I'd rate Magic and Bird ahead of Oscar, but he'd be in my top 10.
So that's a pretty obvious top 8: Jordan, James, Russell, Chamberlain, Abdul-Jabbar, Johnson, Bird, Robertson.
Meaning we have Bryant, Curry, West, Moses Malone, Olajuwon, Duncan, Baylor, Erving (especially if we include ABA, and why wouldn't we?), O'Neal, Wade and maybe a couple others contending for the last 2 spots.
Curry certainly belongs in the conversation ... and he just turned 33. Could still have 2-4 outstanding seasons left. Could score 5,000+ more points, maybe win another title, go down as the all-time long-distance sniper.
Today, I'd probably choose Bryant and Erving just off the top of my head, but if I took a deeper look I probably could talk myself into several of the others over one or both of them.
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The one thing that always sticks with me about Russell, and no disrespect to his skills, but he’s often had his titles used to bolster his legacy, which is fine...except that the NBA literally had 8 teams during most of his career, and then only 12 at the end. That’s a much smaller pond to be a dominant fish
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No, but he should be more responsible. He has since deleted the tweet.
I guess he watched the video.
Glad we are back to caring about responsible social media platform usage then. Glad he had the sense to clarify his message.
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The one thing that always sticks with me about Russell, and no disrespect to his skills, but he’s often had his titles used to bolster his legacy, which is fine...except that the NBA literally had 8 teams during most of his career, and then only 12 at the end. That’s a much smaller pond to be a dominant fish
Totally agree.
A counterargument is that he always had to go through the best of his era because talent was concentrated, not spread out over 20 or 25 or 30 teams. Lakers teams he beat had Chamberlain, West, Baylor and Goodrich, for example. The St. Louis Hawks had Pettit, Lovellette, Hagan and Wilkens. Etc. Of course, his Boston teams were the most stacked of all.
Obviously, we can't "prove" anything. It's what makes debates fun. For me, Russell's rebounding, defensive presence, leadership and record as player/coach augment his bazillion titles enough to put him in my top 10 without hesitation.
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Project NBA draft pick Terrance Clarke from UK passed away in a car accident this afternoon. Absolutely awful. BJ Boston, projected to be a first round pick, was also involved in the accident, but no word yet on his condition. Clarke had just signed with Klutch yesterday. Horrible
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Project NBA draft pick Terrance Clarke from UK passed away in a car accident this afternoon. Absolutely awful. BJ Boston, projected to be a first round pick, was also involved in the accident, but no word yet on his condition. Clarke had just signed with Klutch yesterday. Horrible
Oh, no. That’s terrible.
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A great article in JSOnline about the 50th anniversary of the Bucks championship. A few items: Zopf had to report for Basic training with 18 games left; they think they were possibly the only team that watched film back then; 1st 3 home playoff games had to be played in Madison because the Sports Show was HUGE then.
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Project NBA draft pick Terrance Clarke from UK passed away in a car accident this afternoon. Absolutely awful. BJ Boston, projected to be a first round pick, was also involved in the accident, but no word yet on his condition. Clarke had just signed with Klutch yesterday. Horrible
Well written and tough to read from Cal
https://t.co/BUtwgoqowr
You don’t have to be a fan of his, but I’ve always admired how Cal has handled his one and done model with honesty and player focus. The UK family is super tight and the UK NBA guys are all quite close despite most bit spending more than a year in Lexington and playing with each other. That’s a testament to Cal and the culture he has built
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Julius Randle is the real deal and deserves tremendous credit. The guy has worked his ass off to improve his J. He now has a very well rounded game. I thought he could become a star....but didn't see him becoming a superstar. Everyone thought he was a tweener. All of a sudden he's draining 3's like Klay Thompson.
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Julius Randle is the real deal and deserves tremendous credit. The guy has worked his ass off to improve his J. He now has a very well rounded game. I thought he could become a star....but didn't see him becoming a superstar. Everyone thought he was a tweener. All of a sudden he's draining 3's like Klay Thompson.
He's a guy that strongly supports an argument I've made before that I get roasted for.
He made the right choice in asking out of LA when Lebron signed. He wouldn't be the player he is now had he stayed. Lebron makes players like him worse. Its the same reason Ball was better away from LA, and why Shroder doesn't want to stay in LA. They all are made worse playing besides Lebron. (Similar frustrations for Kyrie).
Lebron always has had to have the ball in his hands to be most effective. He is not particularly effective off ball, he doesn't move well, and isn't an effective enough shooter. That means any player that is also better with the ball in their hands (e.g. PGs, or similar point forwards) are worse with Lebron.
Randle is playing comparable to Lebron pre-injury. He'd be an also ran on the Lakers.
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He's a guy that strongly supports an argument I've made before that I get roasted for.
He made the right choice in asking out of LA when Lebron signed. He wouldn't be the player he is now had he stayed. Lebron makes players like him worse. Its the same reason Ball was better away from LA, and why Shroder doesn't want to stay in LA. They all are made worse playing besides Lebron. (Similar frustrations for Kyrie).
Lebron always has had to have the ball in his hands to be most effective. He is not particularly effective off ball, he doesn't move well, and isn't an effective enough shooter. That means any player that is also better with the ball in their hands (e.g. PGs, or similar point forwards) are worse with Lebron.
Randle is playing comparable to Lebron pre-injury. He'd be an also ran on the Lakers.
Lakers wouldn't have won a championship without Lebron so I doubt anyone is missing them.
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Lakers wouldn't have won a championship without Lebron so I doubt anyone is missing them.
To be fair, I think there was zero chance they win the championship if it wasn't for the bubble. The bubble benefitted them and the Heat a lot. They also wouldn't have won a championship if the Heat were healthy.
And, to be clear, my comment above is not to take anything away from Lebron. It is simply they type of player he is.
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To be fair, I think there was zero chance they win the championship if it wasn't for the bubble. The bubble benefitted them and the Heat a lot. They also wouldn't have won a championship if the Heat were healthy.
Zero chance? Not sure why you would say that. They were the #1 seed in the West, and #2 overall, before the Bubble even started.
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He's a guy that strongly supports an argument I've made before that I get roasted for.
He made the right choice in asking out of LA when Lebron signed. He wouldn't be the player he is now had he stayed. Lebron makes players like him worse. Its the same reason Ball was better away from LA, and why Shroder doesn't want to stay in LA. They all are made worse playing besides Lebron. (Similar frustrations for Kyrie).
Lebron always has had to have the ball in his hands to be most effective. He is not particularly effective off ball, he doesn't move well, and isn't an effective enough shooter. That means any player that is also better with the ball in their hands (e.g. PGs, or similar point forwards) are worse with Lebron.
Randle is playing comparable to Lebron pre-injury. He'd be an also ran on the Lakers.
My friend, you have repeatedly admitted that you dislike LeBron and don’t respect him as a basketball player, so any point you try to make about him is tainted by your bias.
But it’s cool that he has made all 4 of his championship teams worse, as well as all of his other NBA Finals teams.
He might be the worst player in basketball history. How has he even won a single regular-season game, with all the teammates he’s made bad and all the teams he’s ruined?
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https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31344010/golden-state-warriors-become-first-pro-team-launch-nft-collection (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31344010/golden-state-warriors-become-first-pro-team-launch-nft-collection)
Can someone explain to this old guy why this is "the wave of the future?"
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https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31344010/golden-state-warriors-become-first-pro-team-launch-nft-collection (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31344010/golden-state-warriors-become-first-pro-team-launch-nft-collection)
Can someone explain to this old guy why this is "the wave of the future?"
$$$$$$$$$$$$
It's a moneymaker.
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$$$$$$$$$$$$
It's a moneymaker.
But why? Why do people want to buy virtual ticket stubs, or video highlights (of NBA games)?
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Totally agree.
A counterargument is that he always had to go through the best of his era because talent was concentrated, not spread out over 20 or 25 or 30 teams. Lakers teams he beat had Chamberlain, West, Baylor and Goodrich, for example. The St. Louis Hawks had Pettit, Lovellette, Hagan and Wilkens. Etc. Of course, his Boston teams were the most stacked of all.
Obviously, we can't "prove" anything. It's what makes debates fun. For me, Russell's rebounding, defensive presence, leadership and record as player/coach augment his bazillion titles enough to put him in my top 10 without hesitation.
The game was different as well. During the Russel Chamberlain era big centers and forwards dominated the game as there was no 3pt line to defend. As great as they were I doubt they would dominate in todays game like they did back then, but will never know.
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But why? Why do people want to buy virtual ticket stubs, or video highlights (of NBA games)?
Same reason people would pay for autographs, signed jerseys, etc... Its a new form of memorabilia. Honestly, I feel like owning an NFT of an incredible highlight is much cooler and meaningful than a signed poster or 8x10 and people pay hundreds of dollars for those.
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The game was different as well. During the Russel Chamberlain era big centers and forwards dominated the game as there was no 3pt line to defend. As great as they were I doubt they would dominate in todays game like they did back then, but will never know.
Rudy Gobert starts and plays 31 mpg for the team with the NBA's best record. He had $75M career earnings entering this season, and he signed a 5-year, $205M/year contract extension a few months ago.
He is half the player Chamberlain and Russell were.
Oh, and he has taken six 3-pointers in his entire career, missing them all.
So please.
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So why hasn't a Chamberlain, Russell or Jabbar like big man emerge over the last 20 years or so? Basketball is more of a worldwide game and played by more people than ever, but the big man of a past era barely exists any longer.
The fact is the game is different. The skills that they brought really aren't valued as much. You bring up Gobert, but he is fifth on the team in FGA and TENTH in usage. At his peak Jabbar lead his team in FGA almost every year, and was second or third in usage behind Magic and someone else.
If Jabbar were here now, he would no doubt be used more than Gobert. But are the Jazz running the offense through him like the Lakers did? Doubtful.
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Rudy Gobert starts and plays 31 mpg for the team with the NBA's best record. He had $75M career earnings entering this season, and he signed a 5-year, $205M/year contract extension a few months ago.
He is half the player Chamberlain and Russell were.
Oh, and he has taken six 3-pointers in his entire career, missing them all.
So please.
With today's sharp shooters I doubt Wilt would ever score 100 points in a game. Back then the big centers were scoring machines as the guards fed them the ball. Today the big guys kick out to the 3pt line.
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So why hasn't a Chamberlain, Russell or Jabbar like big man emerge over the last 20 years or so? Basketball is more of a worldwide game and played by more people than ever, but the big man of a past era barely exists any longer.
The fact is the game is different. The skills that they brought really aren't valued as much. You bring up Gobert, but he is fifth on the team in FGA and TENTH in usage. At his peak Jabbar lead his team in FGA almost every year, and was second or third in usage behind Magic and someone else.
If Jabbar were here now, he would no doubt be used more than Gobert. But are the Jazz running the offense through him like the Lakers did? Doubtful.
We don't know how one of today's NBA coaches would use a singularly talented big man, but I suspect you're probably right that any of the star bigs from yesteryear would not get the kind of touches they used to get. The game has changed and that makes sense.
Nevertheless, I get a kick out of those who think that Rudy Gobert can earn $40M a year starting for the team with the NBA's best record ... but Kareem, Wilt and Russell would have trouble finding a job or something because they wouldn't have shot 3s.
Maybe it would depend on one of them being lucky enough to be coached by Quin Snyder.
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With today's sharp shooters I doubt Wilt would ever score 100 points in a game. Back then the big centers were scoring machines as the guards fed them the ball. Today the big guys kick out to the 3pt line.
Wilt not being able to score 100 points in a game now is hardly a condemnation, because nobody else has even come close.
I'll acknowledge that he wouldn't average 50 points a game over a season, too. OK?
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We don't know how one of today's NBA coaches would use a singularly talented big man, but I suspect you're probably right that any of the star bigs from yesteryear would not get the kind of touches they used to get. The game has changed and that makes sense.
Nevertheless, I get a kick out of those who think that Rudy Gobert can earn $40M a year starting for the team with the NBA's best record ... but Kareem, Wilt and Russell would have trouble finding a job or something because they wouldn't have shot 3s.
Maybe it would depend on one of them being lucky enough to be coached by Quin Snyder.
Has anyone said they wouldn’t find a job? Not that I can see.
The only thing I see is statements that they wouldn’t be as dominant as they were 40-50 years ago. They would either be rim protectors or would have needed to develop some face up game.
I have no idea why you keep bringing up Gobert. The ways he plays and how he is used isn’t anything like those guys.
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Has anyone said they wouldn’t find a job? Not that I can see.
The only thing I see is statements that they wouldn’t be as dominant as they were 40-50 years ago. They would either be rim protectors or would have needed to develop some face up game.
I have no idea why you keep bringing up Gobert. The ways he plays and how he is used isn’t anything like those guys.
I am hereby agreeing they wouldn't be as offensively dominant as they were in their eras. I do believe they would still be great and important players, and I believe the best coaches would make sure to get the likes of Wilt, Kareem and Shaq significantly involved offensively, even if not at the dominant level they displayed during their eras.
I keep bringing up Gobert because it's valid to do so in this discussion. For those who believe that even the best non-3-shooting bigs would have negligible value in today's NBA -- and many are arguing exactly that -- here's a rim-protector with little offensive game at all, a guy who has never made a 3-pointer in 7 NBA seasons, getting paid $40M/season and playing major minutes for the team with the NBA's best record.
And if Rudy Gobert has significant value -- which he obviously does -- so would the game's all-time greats.
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I am hereby agreeing they wouldn't be as offensively dominant as they were in their eras. I do believe they would still be great and important players, and I believe the best coaches would make sure to get the likes of Wilt, Kareem and Shaq significantly involved offensively, even if not at the dominant level they displayed during their eras.
I keep bringing up Gobert because it's valid to do so in this discussion. For those who believe that even the best non-3-shooting bigs would have negligible value in today's NBA -- and many are arguing exactly that -- here's a rim-protector with little offensive game at all, a guy who has never made a 3-pointer in 7 NBA seasons, getting paid $40M/season and playing major minutes for the team with the NBA's best record.
And if Rudy Gobert has significant value -- which he obviously does -- so would the game's all-time greats.
JFC. What a strawman you are building here. No one said that they would have "negligible value." What started you down the path was muwarrior69 saying:
"The game was different as well. During the Russel Chamberlain era big centers and forwards dominated the game as there was no 3pt line to defend. As great as they were I doubt they would dominate in todays game like they did back then, but will never know."
Which is now EXACTLY what you are agreeing with above.
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JFC. What a strawman you are building here. No one said that they would have "negligible value." What started you down the path was muwarrior69 saying:
"The game was different as well. During the Russel Chamberlain era big centers and forwards dominated the game as there was no 3pt line to defend. As great as they were I doubt they would dominate in todays game like they did back then, but will never know."
Which is now EXACTLY what you are agreeing with above.
I didn't say that's what muw69 said. I know you've read earlier comments on this subject because you made comments yourself. And some were saying today's NBA would have little or no room for these guys. I am saying they would be highly valued, highly compensated All-Stars, even in today's NBA.
Look, none of us can "prove" anything. They're all just a bunch of opinions. I can, however, prove that a defensively dominant but offensively challenged center can earn $40M serving a valuable role for the team with the NBA's best record, because one is doing it. If you want to call that a "strawman," that's A-OK with me.
I have neither the time nor interest in getting into a pages-long, semantics-based, typical-Scoop debate, so you can have the last word for now if you want it.
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https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31344010/golden-state-warriors-become-first-pro-team-launch-nft-collection (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31344010/golden-state-warriors-become-first-pro-team-launch-nft-collection)
Can someone explain to this old guy why this is "the wave of the future?"
My read is people trying to find the next Bitcoin and jumping in to try to make some quick money. Also, with the way the card market is taking off, there’s a market for this type of thing.
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I didn't say that's what muw69 said. I know you've read earlier comments on this subject because you made comments yourself. And some were saying today's NBA would have little or no room for these guys. I am saying they would be highly valued, highly compensated All-Stars, even in today's NBA.
Look, none of us can "prove" anything. They're all just a bunch of opinions. I can, however, prove that a defensively dominant but offensively challenged center can earn $40M serving a valuable role for the team with the NBA's best record, because one is doing it. If you want to call that a "strawman," that's A-OK with me.
I have neither the time nor interest in getting into a pages-long, semantics-based, typical-Scoop debate, so you can have the last word for now if you want it.
Just stop making up arguments that never existed.
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I didn't say that's what muw69 said. I know you've read earlier comments on this subject because you made comments yourself. And some were saying today's NBA would have little or no room for these guys. I am saying they would be highly valued, highly compensated All-Stars, even in today's NBA.
Look, none of us can "prove" anything. They're all just a bunch of opinions. I can, however, prove that a defensively dominant but offensively challenged center can earn $40M serving a valuable role for the team with the NBA's best record, because one is doing it. If you want to call that a "strawman," that's A-OK with me.
I have neither the time nor interest in getting into a pages-long, semantics-based, typical-Scoop debate, so you can have the last word for now if you want it.
No one ever said the NBA would have "little or no room" for those guys. I think the "worst" someone said was that they wouldn't draft Shaq in the top 5 of this year's draft. Getting picked sixth is still pretty great!
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I have no idea how many points Wilt would score in today's NBA. But remember, we are talking about a guy who was 7'1", with a 7'8" wingspan, that had the vertical leap of Michael Jordan, and could bench press 500 lbs.
I think he would be just fine in today's NBA.
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I have no idea how many points Wilt would score in today's NBA. But remember, we are talking about a guy who was 7'1", with a 7'8" wingspan, that had the vertical leap of Michael Jordan, and could bench press 500 lbs.
I think he would be just fine in today's NBA.
Obviously it’s hard to compare across eras, but even though his shot was a bit strange, I think if he existed now, he’d be a player like Porzingis, or maybe Embiid, than a classic back to the basket center
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Less than a minute into the game and Giannis just went to the bench with an ankle injury. Wtf
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If the half court offense is not running entirely through Jrue come Playoff time 1) the Bucks may not get out of the first round and 2) Bud has gotta go.
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Rookie of the Year favorite LaMelo Ball could return for the Hornets tonight, as could instant-offense 6th man Malik Monk.
Ball suffered a fractured wrist in a March 20 road loss to the Los Angeles Clippers. Monk has been out since April 1 with a right ankle sprain.
The Hornets are still waiting on the recovery of leading scorer Gordon Hayward, who suffered a right foot sprain April 2. Hayward was still in a walking boot, and coach James Borrego has said he isn’t close to a return.
Ball averaged 15.9 points, 6.1 assists and 5.9 rebounds in the 41 games he played before the injury. Since then, the Hornets have gone 10-10 and repeatedly have struggled to score 100 points because they have been missing so many top offensive players. While they have slipped from fourth to eighth in the conference, they still have a decent shot at being in the play-in tournament.
There was an almost two-week stretch where the Hornets played without 5 of their top 6 players. Borrego probably doesn't deserve Coach of the Year, but he should at least get some votes for holding the team together with tape and gauze.
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I'm watching Bucks/Nets. Obviously, Brooklyn with Harden is a huge favorite but Milwaukee certainly has a chance to get out of the East. Although I'm not sure Lopez and DiVincenzo are the right complementary players. They seem deep enough where they can play other guys? I haven't watched the Bucks much but I think they should be much better defensively. I'm not really sold on Budenholzer as a playoff coach frankly.
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Yes, hey?
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Could a Bucks fan explain to me why DiVincenzo played essentially the whole 4th Q if you watched the game today? I noticed Forbes had 11 pts in like 15 mins. Neither of these teams played much defense but I'm confused why DD would play 35 mins with his anemic production? Is he just a hot/cold player?
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Nice win, but the Nets at full strength... gentleman's sweep.
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Could a Bucks fan explain to me why DiVincenzo played essentially the whole 4th Q if you watched the game today? I noticed Forbes had 11 pts in like 15 mins. Neither of these teams played much defense but I'm confused why DD would play 35 mins with his anemic production? Is he just a hot/cold player?
Yes, but more importantly he's a defensive asset and not a liability that Forbes is. Capable of switching onto slightly bigger players. He's not the ideal 4th or 5th player for this roster, but he's what's left after the Bogdan deal fell through.
Also, are there 2 more players in the world capable of blocking a Durant fadeaway beyond Giannis? Good lord.
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Also, are there 2 more players in the world capable of blocking a Durant fadeaway beyond Giannis? Good lord.
No, literally the ONLY other person I think who could possibly do it is AD, and even then I’m not totally sure
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Yes, but more importantly he's a defensive asset and not a liability that Forbes is. Capable of switching onto slightly bigger players. He's not the ideal 4th or 5th player for this roster, but he's what's left after the Bogdan deal fell through.
Also, are there 2 more players in the world capable of blocking a Durant fadeaway beyond Giannis? Good lord.
I assumed it was for defense but having watched I thought both teams played awful defense to close the game. The Bucks have enough talent imo to get a chip. Middleton and Holiday are a very solid 2 and 3. I'm just not crazy about Lopez or Dante D. Could they play Portis and Forbes to close games in the playoffs?
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I assumed it was for defense but having watched I thought both teams played awful defense to close the game. The Bucks have enough talent imo to get a chip. Middleton and Holiday are a very solid 2 and 3. I'm just not crazy about Lopez or Dante D. Could they play Portis and Forbes to close games in the playoffs?
Many coaches would use any of several players for the 2 role-player slots, depending on matchups, size advantage/disadvantage, hot-hand, etc. If Player X is doing well on O and/or D, he gets 30+ minutes. If he's struggling and Player Y is doing better, he gets more playing time. If height is needed, go with Player A; if quickness is needed, Player B. You've got your three stars; the other two spots on the court are more interchangeable.
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Many coaches would use any of several players for the 2 role-player slots, depending on matchups, size advantage/disadvantage, hot-hand, etc. If Player X is doing well on O and/or D, he gets 30+ minutes. If he's struggling and Player Y is doing better, he gets more playing time. If height is needed, go with Player A; if quickness is needed, Player B. You've got your three stars; the other two spots on the court are more interchangeable.
DD played 30 mins and had a grand total of zero points. Maybe Budenholzer was asleep at the wheel?
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Mugs you say you don’t watch a lot of Bucks games. Now you are questioning how the coach allocates minutes.
Yeah I’m sure the coach was asleep at the wheel...
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Mugs you say you don’t watch a lot of Bucks games. Now you are questioning how the coach allocates minutes.
Yeah I’m sure the coach was asleep at the wheel...
Touche FBM. But it seemed weird to me. Forbes was very effective and Dante D played the majority of the 4th Q and increased his 0.0 production through three quarters, to 0.0. Aren't coaches supposed to know what's going on during the course of a particular game?
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DD played 30 mins and had a grand total of zero points. Maybe Budenholzer was asleep at the wheel?
I didn’t see one second of today’s Bucks game and have not seen enough of them this season to know if Bud is good, bad or just mediocre.
Did DD do well on defense? Did he rebound? Take care of the ball? Bring energy? Match up with his man better than somebody else might have? Again I have no answers to those questions because I didn’t see the game, but sometimes things aren’t as obvious as a box score might suggest.
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They need another guard. When you have to play one of DiVincenzo, Forbes, or Connaughton down the stretch it's not great.
This roster has some weird fits. Forbes and Portis can score off the bench but are unplayable defensively in closing minutes. Lopez is quickly becoming that way. Tucker helps, but they give up a ton on the glass when he's in.
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Dante D from my eyes is a pretty good defender and rebounder. Forbes is probably far worse and perhaps Portis is a chair out there. But neither Lopez or Dante are going to stop the most skilled offensive players. The question is who would you go with at 4 and 5 to close playoff games? I was surprised to see Budenholzer primarily went with DiVincenzo and Connaughton this afternoon. I'm just curious for those that have watched this Milwaukee team who you would have on the floor during crunch time when it counts?
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They need another guard. When you have to play one of DiVincenzo, Forbes, or Connaughton down the stretch it's not great.
I assume you are talking about for next season, because they aren't gonna get a guard who can help them this season.
Dante D from my eyes is a pretty good defender and rebounder. Forbes is probably far worse and perhaps Portis is a chair out there. But neither Lopez or Dante are going to stop the most skilled offensive players. The question is who would you go with at 4 and 5 to close playoff games? I was surprised to see Budenholzer primarily went with DiVincenzo and Connaughton this afternoon. I'm just curious for those that have watched this Milwaukee team who you would have on the floor during crunch time when it counts?
Floor spacing, perhaps? Giannis needs room to operate. Connaughton shoots 38% from 3 and DiVicenzo 37%. Those aren't Steph numbers but they're better than, say, Kemba. Just guessing that might be one reason they're playing.
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LaMelo returned earlier than expected from his broken wrist. Almost got a triple-double in his return game vs Detroit, including an absolutely ridiculous, 70-foot, underhanded pass that hit Miles Bridges in stride for a layup. It's exciting to think how good an offensive player this kid -- he's 19! -- is gonna be, because he's already incredible.
“You know if you’re running and you’re open, you’re gonna get the ball,” Bridges said. “There’s a different type of energy when you know there’s always someone looking up.”
The one good thing about so many Charlotte players being hurt at once is that Bridges has become an absolute stud. Known primarily for his vicious dunks, he became the go-to offensive player with Ball, Hayward, Monk and others out. He had 27 points, seven rebounds and four assists in LaMelo's return.
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Yeah, eye'd trade #12 four 'im straight up write now, boychik, aina?
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I assume you are talking about for next season, because they aren't gonna get a guard who can help them this season.
Yeah, looking forward. I think they win a series, maybe get to the ECF this year. But they don't have enough to get through Philly and Brooklyn.
Floor spacing, perhaps? Giannis needs room to operate. Connaughton shoots 38% from 3 and DiVicenzo 37%. Those aren't Steph numbers but they're better than, say, Kemba. Just guessing that might be one reason they're playing.
They're both serviceable shooters, who don't do anything else particularly well. Neither are good enough to close games for a contender. Donte's defense is okay... he's above average on-ball, but has really poor awareness off the ball. On a team with title aspirations, he's ideally a 20 minute guy off the bench.
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Yeah, looking forward. I think they win a series, maybe get to the ECF this year. But they don't have enough to get through Philly and Brooklyn.
They're both serviceable shooters, who don't do anything else particularly well. Neither are good enough to close games for a contender. Donte's defense is okay... he's above average on-ball, but has really poor awareness off the ball. On a team with title aspirations, he's ideally a 20 minute guy off the bench.
All that seems fair.
Not many teams with three max players have a roster that's otherwise filled with outstanding role players, but you're no doubt right about the Bucks needing an upgrade.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/HoodieKD7/status/1389068337812938752
Thoughts and prayers to LeBron. I really hope he doesn’t get CTE from the vicious hits to the head he takes like this.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/HoodieKD7/status/1389068337812938752
Thoughts and prayers to LeBron. I really hope he doesn’t get CTE from the vicious hits to the head he takes like this.
That crap should just be turned into flagrant 2's, ejection. Drives me nuts. (And just to be clear, I mean Lebron or anyone else faking being hit should be a flagrant 2).
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That crap should just be turned into flagrant 2's, ejection. Drives me nuts. (And just to be clear, I mean Lebron or anyone else faking being hit should be a flagrant 2).
Couldn't agree more.
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Nah, ya gotta furst have a brain ta suffer CTE, aina?
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Nah, ya gotta furst have a brain ta suffer CTE, aina?
Watch out 4ever. LeBron could get mad you criticized his intelligence. He might Tweet your picture and #You're Next. Remember this is the same guy who brilliantly eviscerated the former Houston GM because he had the gall to support freedom for Hong Kong. In his mind LeBron has the intellectual capacity of a Da Vinci or Newton....assuming he knows who they were.
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Watch out 4ever. LeBron could get mad you criticized his intelligence. He might Tweet your picture and #You're Next. Remember this is the same guy who brilliantly eviscerated the former Houston GM because he had the gall to support freedom for Hong Kong. In his mind LeBron has the intellectual capacity of a Da Vinci or Newton....assuming he knows who they were.
Don’t be ridiculous, of course LeBron knows who Newton is. He’s a popular guy after all.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/O5f9JGX7Ipk/maxresdefault.jpg
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LeBron is reel stoopid. He might never make it as a Scooper, where all of us smart peeple are.
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Dante played lights out in game 2 against the Nets. Pretty much the perfect game for his role.
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LeBron is reel stoopid. He might never make it as a Scooper, where all of us smart peeple are.
Lebron believes the he (and all other black men) are “literally being hunted every day, every time we step out of our homes” in America. Hard to string together cogent thoughts when you’re living in a sh!thole country bent on genocide, ai’na?
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Anyone notice we always get a “pile on the black guy” by the same posters here at Scoop? Tucker couldn’t do it any better.
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Anyone notice we always get a “pile on the black guy” by the same posters here at Scoop? Tucker couldn’t do it any better.
BLM and forgetful usually "pile on the black guy?"
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Anyone notice we always get a “pile on the black guy” by the same posters here at Scoop? Tucker couldn’t do it any better.
Jockey
Just quoting one of the King’s musings, though I didn’t put it in CAPS, as he did. When you (or anyone) quote a stupid Trump tweet, I believe that you’re “piling on”, mocking or criticizing (fairly) Donald Trump and nobody else. But if someone criticizes Lebron, it’s not about Lebron, it’s about all black men?
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LBJ is a flat out idiot regardless if he's blue, green, pink, or red, aina?
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LBJ is a flat out idiot regardless if he's blue, green, pink, or red, aina?
Hardly an idiot...but does say some odd things occasionally.
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BLM and forgetful usually "pile on the black guy?"
I first read this and thought, what are you talking about, have you lost your mind. Then realized it was about Lebron.
As an aside, even I was thinking of defending him in regards to intelligence. Like his game/politics or not, the man is clearly very smart. He doesn't dominate the market like he does by being stupid.
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I first read this and thought, what are you talking about, have you lost your mind. Then realized it was about Lebron.
As an aside, even I was thinking of defending him in regards to intelligence. Like his game/politics or not, the man is clearly very smart. He doesn't dominate the market like he does by being stupid.
I'd counter that he dominates the market by being a top 3 player of all time. Mostly being facetious, but what I would say about Lebron is that he's always trying to educate himself. Doesn't always get it right (for example, lots of 'smart' NBA stuck their feet in their mouths on China), but tries. More than a lot of us can say about our willingness to expand perspectives.
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LBJ is a flat out idiot regardless if he's blue, green, pink, or red, aina?
This is false, and I hope you know it.
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LBJ is a flat out idiot regardless if he's blue, green, pink, or red, aina?
Has anyone else noticed that some people want to talk about all the colors of the rainbow when they criticize people of color?
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For the record, I thought, and still think, Bill Walton is a idiot also. Especially, when he publicly stated, in an interview, that he felt it was important for President Nixon to know his sentiments concerning the Vietnam War. I am a non-discriminating critic of idiots. Shut up and dribble, hey?
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Shut up and dribble, hey?
Nope.
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I'm interested to see how the play-in tournament is received. If nothing else, it's a few single-elimination games so they should be very competitive.
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I'm interested to see how the play-in tournament is received. If nothing else, it's a few single-elimination games so they should be very competitive.
I really like the added element of excitement. Especially when you sometimes have a gulf between the top teams and the lower stretch of the playoff qualifiers. Its like a relegation battle in soccer in a way.
This year is particularly great cause of how a team like the Lakers is so annoyed by it.
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Looking forward to this year's version of "Bucks flame out in 5... maybe 6." Could be a first round exit this time!
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I think the Bucks get a bad rap. Sure, last year was a disaster. Two years ago they were a team short on playoff experience that lost in the ECF to the eventual champions. They lead the series 2-0 with the 3rd game in OT. They were 8-1 in the first two rounds. It's not like they have been terrible in the playoffs two years in a row.
Bucks win this series in 5 or 6. They are much better suited for the Heat this year than they were last year.
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I think the Bucks get a bad rap. Sure, last year was a disaster. Two years ago they were a team short on playoff experience that lost in the ECF to the eventual champions. They lead the series 2-0 with the 3rd game in OT. They were 8-1 in the first two rounds. It's not like they have been terrible in the playoffs two years in a row.
Bucks win this series in 5 or 6. They are much better suited for the Heat this year than they were last year.
Just a much better roster for the long run in my opinion.
Swap out Bledsoe for Holiday, big upgrade. Swap out Matthews for an improved DiVincenzo, probably a wash. But they are better as a starting unit.
But the bench upgrade is huge, IMO. Portis, Tucker, Forbes, Nwora and Teague is a big upgrade over Korver, Sterling Brown, George Hill, Marvin Williams, and Ilyasova.
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The only reason the Heat have any shot at all is the coaching advantage. Hopefully the players can overcome that.
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Just a much better roster for the long run in my opinion.
Swap out Bledsoe for Holiday, big upgrade. Swap out Matthews for an improved DiVincenzo, probably a wash. But they are better as a starting unit.
But the bench upgrade is huge, IMO. Portis, Tucker, Forbes, Nwora and Teague is a big upgrade over Korver, Sterling Brown, George Hill, Marvin Williams, and Ilyasova.
Couldn't agree more. Brown, Korver and Ersan getting meaningful minutes in the playoffs was doom.
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Couldn't agree more. Brown, Korver and Ersan getting meaningful minutes in the playoffs was doom.
I'm not sure Forbes, Portis, Nwora, or Teague is any good, either, when it comes to Playoff basketball. And I'd take Hill over Tucker overall for Playoff basketball as well.
It really will come down to how Donte plays and whether Bud uses Brook to punish teams who go small. If Donte is okay or better the Bucks can make a run. If he's terrible the Bucks will be in trouble.
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I'm not sure Forbes, Portis, Nwora, or Teague is any good, either, when it comes to Playoff basketball. And I'd take Hill over Tucker overall for Playoff basketball as well.
It really will come down to how Donte plays and whether Bud uses Brook to punish teams who go small. If Donte is okay or better the Bucks can make a run. If he's terrible the Bucks will be in trouble.
Not counting on anything from Nwora and I excluded Hill from my list. But I'd be surprised if the other three didn't contribute. Forbes will make shots and is 10x the defender Korver is, even if he's still pretty poor. Portis will at least give effort and rebound. Same with Tucker. Most importantly, they are an automatic improvement by not being the two laterally slowest players in the league.
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I'm not sure Forbes, Portis, Nwora, or Teague is any good, either, when it comes to Playoff basketball. And I'd take Hill over Tucker overall for Playoff basketball as well.
It really will come down to how Donte plays and whether Bud uses Brook to punish teams who go small. If Donte is okay or better the Bucks can make a run. If he's terrible the Bucks will be in trouble.
I dont expect anything from Nwora either, and Portis is only interesting cause all he's done is improve over the last 5 years. But the other 3 arent some green unknown quantities.
Teague has started 60 playoff games, averaged 15 and 5 over them, and knows Bud and his system very well. Thats about as good as you can ask for from a backup PG. And I'm not some raving Teague fan.
Tucker is a tough defender, a great glue guy, and does the dirty work.
Neither is expected to be THE MAN, but those are great second unit pieces.
Forbes played well in the playoffs 2 years ago for the Spurs. He's a great bench option too.
Hill is the only piece they will miss, but the benefits of the rest outweigh them.
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Even if they get by Miami, I think a full strength Brooklyn dispatches them with some ease.
The only way they win a title in this window is if they can get a better head coach in. I'm at peace with them flaming out if it helps expedite that process.
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Even if they get by Miami, I think a full strength Brooklyn dispatches them with some ease.
The only way they win a title in this window is if they can get a better head coach in. I'm at peace with them flaming out if it helps expedite that process.
I don't think they win a title regardless of their coach. It's a 2+ superstar league. Holliday is good, but they need another Dude alongside Giannis and Middleton isn't that guy. The minute they locked Middleton down, they conceded turning Giannis into a new version of Karl Malone.
My prediction: In 2023, the Lasry group flips the team and real estate for stupid money, Giannis forces a trade, and the Bucks go back to being the Bucks we all know and tolerate because their presence means MU gets to play in an NBA arena.
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Hill is the only piece they will miss, but the benefits of the rest outweigh them.
George Hill was a disaster in last year's playoffs.
As good a player and leader as he has been over the years, and even during his time with the Bucks, his play really sucked in the 2020 playoffs. I suspect he was overly distracted by the events of last summer as he was the guy who led the Bucks to boycott the first playoff game. I'm not saying this to take either political side, as I understand that some things (many things) are more important than basketball. But look up Hill's 2020 playoff stats and tell me how much the Bucks will miss him in this year's playoffs.
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Forbes and Portis couldn't guard Symir Torrence or Matt Heldt, let alone NBA caliber players. If Forbes isn't completely on fire, he's a net negative. Portis can play against smaller bigs that can't step out and shoot and aren't options on the roll in a pick and roll. AKA nobody that will be playing in the Playoffs. They can both get buckets offensively, but both give up many more than they get defensively.
Tucker will help make players uncomfortable on the defensive end, but he's averaging 2 points per game. He's a complete and utter non-threat offensively. He'll stand in a corner and opponents will have a big playing a complete free safety to help on Giannis's drive.
Pat C has been solid for a bench guy, but if I'm the Bucks opponent and that's the most complete player coming off the Bucks' bench, I'm feeling alright. Teague won't get more than 12 minutes per game, nor should he.
Spoe>>>>>>>>Bud
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Forbes and Portis couldn't guard Symir Torrence or Matt Heldt, let alone NBA caliber players. If Forbes isn't completely on fire, he's a net negative. Portis can play against smaller bigs that can't step out and shoot and aren't options on the roll in a pick and roll. AKA nobody that will be playing in the Playoffs. They can both get buckets offensively, but both give up many more than they get defensively.
Tucker will help make players uncomfortable on the defensive end, but he's averaging 2 points per game. He's a complete and utter non-threat offensively. He'll stand in a corner and opponents will have a big playing a complete free safety to help on Giannis's drive.
Pat C has been solid for a bench guy, but if I'm the Bucks opponent and that's the most complete player coming off the Bucks' bench, I'm feeling alright. Teague won't get more than 12 minutes per game, nor should he.
Spoe>>>>>>>>Bud
There are definitely some things I disagree with in here. But we agree about the coaching mismatch.
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Heat in 4
Coach Bud to Creighton
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When do the Hornets start playing? I could have sworn tip-off was a couple hours ago!
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I can't help but keep thinking about how unique Steph Curry is. Every team knows, stop Curry and the game is yours. They run everyone at him, double, triple and even quadruple team him.
He still beats them. There is no player I remember like that.
I think Jokic's all around performance gets him the MVP (averaging 26, 11 and 8 is pretty crazy), but its also hard to argue agains what Steph did this year.
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Tatum is the real deal. I really haven't watched him much but he's totally unguardable with his height and range. Is he a slightly lesser version of Durant? He seems to be a little bit stronger. The rest of this Celtics team is very mediocre without Jalen Brown.
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I can't help but keep thinking about how unique Steph Curry is. Every team knows, stop Curry and the game is yours. They run everyone at him, double, triple and even quadruple team him.
He still beats them. There is no player I remember like that.
I think Jokic's all around performance gets him the MVP (averaging 26, 11 and 8 is pretty crazy), but its also hard to argue agains what Steph did this year.
As crazy as it sounds I don't think most people realize how remarkable Curry truly has been. Because the rest of that team is well below sub-par without Klay Thompson. Unfortunately they have no answer for Davis and James. JTA may have to go off for 25 and lock down Lebron. I'm a little biased but I would vote Curry for the MVP. I mean seriously....that's a 20 win team or worse without him.
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I can't help but keep thinking about how unique Steph Curry is. Every team knows, stop Curry and the game is yours. They run everyone at him, double, triple and even quadruple team him.
He still beats them. There is no player I remember like that.
I think Jokic's all around performance gets him the MVP (averaging 26, 11 and 8 is pretty crazy), but its also hard to argue agains what Steph did this year.
I’ve never seen a person that can always get his shot despite not having a size advantage or insane athleticism. The closest is probably Kyrie, but Steph is a much better shooter so he gets the nod. The way he creates slivers and pockets of space to get off a 3, when entire game plans are built around taking away his deep ball, is incredible.
Also entertaining cause Twitter was hot and heavy making fun of him going into the year for not being able to carry a team and needing Klay, and he’s went Supernova in response
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Yeah butt, da Bucks are Giannis, Jrue, and a bunch of smoes, hey?
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I have enjoyed watching LaMelo Ball this season, but he wasn't the same player after he returned from his wrist injury. Last night, on the biggest stage of his young pro career, he played like a clueless 19-year-old.
I know that plus/minus is a flawed stat, but his minu-35 -- MINUS-35!!!!! -- spoke volumes.
Hornets have a few nice pieces, including LaMelo -- especially LaMelo. But right now they have the look of one of those middle-of-the-pack teams that will be on the playoff/lottery bubble every season, with lots of large salaries but little to show for it. Gotta be driving Jordan nuts. And Michael couldn't have liked the total lack of effort last night.
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I have enjoyed watching LaMelo Ball this season, but he wasn't the same player after he returned from his wrist injury. Last night, on the biggest stage of his young pro career, he played like a clueless 19-year-old.
I know that plus/minus is a flawed stat, but his minu-35 -- MINUS-35!!!!! -- spoke volumes.
Hornets have a few nice pieces, including LaMelo -- especially LaMelo. But right now they have the look of one of those middle-of-the-pack teams that will be on the playoff/lottery bubble every season, with lots of large salaries but little to show for it. Gotta be driving Jordan nuts. And Michael couldn't have liked the total lack of effort last night.
I hear you, but I think its an anomaly more than concern. The Pacers make 12 3s a game at a 35% clip. They made 7 out of 13 in the first quarter alone. Just blitzed a young team with a meh head coach. The entire starting lineup had a terrible +/- along with him.
Rough end of the season or not, they made the playoffs because of Melo. They have some other nice young pieces (Washington, Rozier, Graham, and Bridges) but none are even all star caliber yet. Took a transcendent ROY to push them. Would be interesting to have seen him in a full 7 game series.
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I hear you, but I think its an anomaly more than concern. The Pacers make 12 3s a game at a 35% clip. They made 7 out of 13 in the first quarter alone. Just blitzed a young team with a meh head coach. The entire starting lineup had a terrible +/- along with him.
Rough end of the season or not, they made the playoffs because of Melo. They have some other nice young pieces (Washington, Rozier, Graham, and Bridges) but none are even all star caliber yet. Took a transcendent ROY to push them. Would be interesting to have seen him in a full 7 game series.
I like this take, Wags. Before he got hurt, LaMelo was an offensive genius. He could work magic with the ball, and he shot way better than I expected. He's a defensive disaster, but so are most 19-year-olds. I'm very high on him, for obvious reasons.
The Hornets' coach and his staff seem better at developing talent (including some of the names you mentioned) than they are at game prep and in-game adjustments. But they are relatively young in their professions, too, so I'm inclined to give them a bit of a pass on this strange season. Three players who were in the G-League 1 and 2 years ago have become NBA contributors (Graham, Martin, McDaniels), Bridges has future star potential and Rozier really found his way.
Yes, the Pacers shot well but most of those 3s were wide open. I mean, McDermott can't do anything else; why would you leave him wide open from 3, especially after the first couple? And they also had a parade of layups and dunks. The degree of difficulty on just about every shot they took was low -- NBA players make those shots. It underscores that the Hornets need to be MUCH better defensively, need to find a couple of rim protectors who aren't offensive liabilities, just need to be more dedicated on that side of the ball.
They simply need more good players, and for at least 2-3 of their good young players to become All-Stars. And then they need to keep their All-Stars from bolting to LA, NY, etc. It's a lot to ask. We'll see if Jordan and Kupchak can pull it off.
OK ... that was way too much Hornets talk ... sorry!
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Yeah butt, da Bucks are Giannis, Jrue, and a bunch of smoes, hey?
There are still people out there who don't appreciate KM?
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I like this take, Wags. Before he got hurt, LaMelo was an offensive genius. He could work magic with the ball, and he shot way better than I expected. He's a defensive disaster, but so are most 19-year-olds. I'm very high on him, for obvious reasons.
The Hornets' coach and his staff seem better at developing talent (including some of the names you mentioned) than they are at game prep and in-game adjustments. But they are relatively young in their professions, too, so I'm inclined to give them a bit of a pass on this strange season. Three players who were in the G-League 1 and 2 years ago have become NBA contributors (Graham, Martin, McDaniels), Bridges has future star potential and Rozier really found his way.
Yes, the Pacers shot well but most of those 3s were wide open. I mean, McDermott can't do anything else; why would you leave him wide open from 3, especially after the first couple? And they also had a parade of layups and dunks. The degree of difficulty on just about every shot they took was low -- NBA players make those shots. It underscores that the Hornets need to be MUCH better defensively, need to find a couple of rim protectors who aren't offensive liabilities, just need to be more dedicated on that side of the ball.
They simply need more good players, and for at least 2-3 of their good young players to become All-Stars. And then they need to keep their All-Stars from bolting to LA, NY, etc. It's a lot to ask. We'll see if Jordan and Kupchak can pull it off.
OK ... that was way too much Hornets talk ... sorry!
Saw the box score, and noticed Kelan Martin, from Butler, scored 14. If that guy can be in the league, I can see why many college kids jump ship.
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Saw the box score, and noticed Kelan Martin, from Butler, scored 14. If that guy can be in the league, I can see why many college kids jump ship.
You mean the guy who averaged 22 and 6 on a good Butler team, was first team All BE, and an honorable mention AA?
He’s a bit small for the 3, but he’s very solid defensively and can score in a variety of ways. Weird example cause he’s the kind of dude who would have been an NBA lock before the migration to younger and raw talent came about
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You mean the guy who averaged 22 and 6 on a good Butler team, was first team All BE, and an honorable mention AA?
He’s a bit small for the 3, but he’s very solid defensively and can score in a variety of ways. Weird example cause he’s the kind of dude who would have been an NBA lock before the migration to younger and raw talent came about
Or the 6-6 slow forward, who only shot 35% from 3, had more turnovers than assists, and led his team to a 9-9 conference records. Kids will see what they want to see, or see what people in their ear tell them. My point stands, if Kelan Martin can make the NBA, any decent player will think they can make it. You do realize there were 46 Honorable Mention All Americans?
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Or the 6-6 slow forward, who only shot 35% from 3, had more turnovers than assists, and led his team to a 9-9 conference records. Kids will see what they want to see, or see what people in their ear tell them. My point stands, if Kelan Martin can make the NBA, any decent player will think they can make it. You do realize there were 46 Honorable Mention All Americans?
It was 36.5% as a senior, is that supposed to be terrible? Thats better than everyone on Marquette last year outside of Elliott. Thats better than everyone on Creighton, a team known for shooting a lot of 3s, not named Zegarowski or Ballock.
There were 4 seniors on the AP 1st or 2nd team that year. A bunch of underclassmen in the HM list. So he was one of, lets say, the top 30 seniors in college basketball that year. After being All Big East 2nd team for 2 years and First team his last year.
Again, he wasn't a lottery pick nor would anyone think he would be, but acting like he was some bum that validates any player thinking they can make the NBA is lunacy. Using someone like Juan as an example of "if he can make it, anyone can if they take a shot and work", ok. But Kelan Martin was a college stud who got NBA looks for good reasons and took advantage. Pretending like he was a scrub at Butler who would give irrational confidence to others is absurd. If you're gonna do that, at least use Sean McDermott who was literally just a guy for Butler that somehow has stuck with the Grizzlies
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I’m cool with the playin tournament being one and done.
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I’m cool with the playin tournament being one and done.
Yup.
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Bam. Juan just drilled a three after a left-handed flick pass from Curry.
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Juan just took it right at LeBron.
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Juan just took it right at LeBron.
That was sweet!!
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That was sweet!!
Yep. And "Juan just took it right at LeBron" is a sentence that, 7 or 5 or 2 years ago, any of us would have bet a million bucks would never be written!
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WTF??? Curry missed a FT? How,? Smh.
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Juan just took it right at LeBron.
Some might even say he…took him Juan on Juan.
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Tremendous defense from JTA!!
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Wiggins in his vintage “become 50% better when playing against Lebron” mode. Juan doing everything. Steph heating up. Lebron looking disinterested and not healthy and AD being stubborn. This is about as bad a start for the Lakers as you could script
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KABOOM!! Juan with another sweet triple!!
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KABOOM!! Another sweet triple by Juan.
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Just stop it Steph. Holy hell. 2 of those last 3 triples were cheat codes. The man has internalized all the post-Klay injury slander and turned into Omni-Man
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Just stop it Steph. Holy hell. 2 of those last 3 triples were cheat codes. The man has internalized all the post-Klay injury slander and turned into Omni-Man
Lillard may have similar range but Curry is Curry. For some reason my step-back doesn't get to the rim as easily from 28 feet. :(
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Just stop it Steph. Holy hell. 2 of those last 3 triples were cheat codes. The man has internalized all the post-Klay injury slander and turned into Omni-Man
The shot at the end of the half was kind of ridiculous. Roughly 5 seconds left, triple teamed, somehow still got a fadeaway step back 3 off. Nothing but net.
Cheat Code it is.
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Looks like the refs are trying to get the Lakers back in the game. Lebron has no lift.
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Warriors melting down with JTA on the bench.
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Zero reason Kerr hasn't inserted Juan back in the game.
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AD playing more like a top 250 NBA player
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Two MU players representing!! Wes nails a triple.
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Brutal qtr for Warriors
MU level of TO's. That lead to easy buckets.
And inexplicably throwing that schlub Wiggins on LeBron.
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They better overturn that "charge" on Juan vs LeFlop. Garbage call. GSW is just too small in this match-up.
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Curry is beyond belief.
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Lebron is the second best player of all time but he’s an absolute embarrassment with this crap. What an absolute loser
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Lebron is the second best player of all time but he’s an absolute embarrassment with this crap. What an absolute loser
That was absolutely pathetic.
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Wes was just 1/4 but he was a total difference maker and +17 in maybe 15 minutes. What a half for him.
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What a shame. Pope walked before that deep 3 by LeBron. The fact that this guy is still acting like he was shot is truly pathetic. JWags is exactly right what a total loser and embarrassment.
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Lmao blatant travel ignored before the kickout for the winning 3. Lakers got EVERY call the last 6 minutes. Welp. No way the Lakers were gonna miss the playoffs. Let’s go CP3
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Wes was just 1/4 but he was a total difference maker and +17 in maybe 15 minutes. What a half for him.
Big contribution by Wes.
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Lmao blatant travel ignored before the kickout for the winning 3. Lakers got EVERY call the last 6 minutes. Welp. No way the Lakers were gonna miss the playoffs. Let’s go CP3
I thought it was just me, but I agree with every single word you have written. I thought that was a clear walk and there were a number of other questionable calls that were pro Lakers down the stretch. Very unfortunate because Curry is just electric. Must see TV.
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If only LeBron wasn’t such a loser.
I mean, all the guy ever has done is lose.
That long 3 by the loser only went in cuz Adam Silver had the air conditioning turned on high right before that moment.
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Lebron is the second best player of all time but he’s an absolute embarrassment with this crap. What an absolute loser
BLM steal your Scoop password? :)
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And ignoring Kerr trying to call a timeout at the end was the cherry on top. Farcical officiating down the stretch.
Also I really, really hate that Wes plays for them. That flop on the screen Dray set was total horsecrap.
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If only LeBron wasn’t such a loser.
I mean, all the guy ever has done is lose.
That long 3 by the loser only went in cuz Adam Silver had the air conditioning turned on high right before that moment.
JWags wrote he is the 2nd best player ever. That doesn't change the fact that LeBron was fake writhing in pain as if Andre the Giant picked him up like a toddler and slammed him to the ground. Pathetic and embarrassing behavior.
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If only LeBron wasn’t such a loser.
I mean, all the guy ever has done is lose.
That long 3 by the loser only went in cuz Adam Silver had the air conditioning turned on high right before that moment.
You can be an incredible player who makes incredible plays and still be a loser. His post game interview was a joke too. The defending champs with two top 5 players snuck by Curry and role players and Lebron is acting like he’s blinded like Samson only getting through by sheer force of will.
And if you don’t think the Lakers got a favorable whistle down the stretch, you’re a Lebron or Lakers fan, period. Juan would have gotten called for a charge on a play that Lebron literally jumped into him if not for a challenge. And that was just the start. I’m honestly STUNNED Draymond wasn’t called for a flagrant
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You can be an incredible player who makes incredible plays and still be a loser. His post game interview was a joke too. The defending champs with two top 5 players snuck by Curry and role players and Lebron is acting like he’s blinded like Samson only getting through by sheer force of will.
And if you don’t think the Lakers got a favorable whistle down the stretch, you’re a Lebron or Lakers fan, period. Juan would have gotten called for a charge on a play that Lebron literally jumped into him if not for a challenge. And that was just the start. I’m honestly STUNNED Draymond wasn’t called for a flagrant
I missed his interview....details?? Let me guess did he say he couldn't see or needed smelling salts??
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I missed his interview....details?? Let me guess did he say he couldn't see or needed smelling salts??
On the final 3, “I saw 3 rims and just aimed at the middle one”. Also said he may need to wear an eyepatch. And no, the latter wasn’t said with a joking chuckle
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On the final 3, “I saw 3 rims and just aimed at the middle one”. Also said he may need to wear an eyepatch. And no, the latter wasn’t said with a joking chuckle
Omg. Wasn't that taken from Rocky III when Stallone said "I see three of him"?
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I'm incredibly biased towards GS so it's nice to see that all neutral observers also thought the officiating was crap.
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I'm incredibly biased towards GS so it's nice to see that all neutral observers also thought the officiating was crap.
I’m biased to GS as well and I didn’t think the officiating was bad. Not perfect, but not terrible.
If you pay attention on this board, we see the same LeBron hate every year.
It’s a frickin’ joke that people watching on TV think they know whether LeBron was hurt or not.
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I’m biased to GS as well and I didn’t think the officiating was bad. Not perfect, but not terrible.
If you pay attention on this board, we see the same LeBron hate every year.
It’s a frickin’ joke that people watching on TV think they know whether LeBron was hurt or not.
I mean. He took 3 shots while he was apparently blind. He went 3-3 on them. That’s some pretty incredible luck if that’s the case. Especially considering he was 6-16 from the field before having his eyes gauged out.
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I totally believe he’ll need double surgery to replace his eyeballs. First ever person to get a new eyeball and be able to see with it. And that’ll be done by the weekend.
Anybody questioning that didn’t see the blatant and vicious elbow to the chin Juan gave him on the charge that got over called. I mean, LBJ was showing the refs what happened and it was clear as day he was exactly right.
(I love that even though they have it slowed down and zoomed in and Juan’s elbow never came close to LBJ’s chin, Breen can’t say “he didn’t get elbowed.” It has to be “I didn’t see anything from that angle.”)
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He took 3 shots while he was apparently blind. He went 3-3 on them.
Actually, badly missed a FT ... though that isn't all that unusual for him. It reflects poorly on such a great player that he was never able to really improve his FT shooting.
I love that even though they have it slowed down and zoomed in and Juan’s elbow never came close to LBJ’s chin, Breen can’t say “he didn’t get elbowed.” It has to be “I didn’t see anything from that angle.”)
The refs didn't call the elbow. Van Gundy and Jackson said it wasn't an elbow. Breen said on the one angle they showed he couldn't tell. A one-man conspiracy!
Omg. Wasn't that taken from Rocky III when Stallone said "I see three of him"?
Ron Santo is one of the first athletes who played a major sport despite having diabetes -- at least one of the first who publicly said so. But he kept it a secret most of his career because he feared getting cut. He said that when he'd be low on sugar, he'd sometimes have badly blurred vision. During one of those spells, he hit a homer. "I saw three baseballs coming to the plate, and I just hit the one in the middle."
Also said he may need to wear an eyepatch. And no, the latter wasn’t said with a joking chuckle
He did say something about being "like a pirate." Avast ye swabs!
You can be an incredible player who makes incredible plays and still be a loser.
Wags, you can call him anything you want. Free country, and all that. But personally, I don't think "loser" is the word I'd choose for one of the winningest players in basketball history. He's also a billionaire who has given tens of millions of dollars to charitable causes. I wish Marquette and the other teams and athletes I actually root for "lost" like he has.
And if you don’t think the Lakers got a favorable whistle down the stretch, you’re a Lebron or Lakers fan, period. Juan would have gotten called for a charge on a play that Lebron literally jumped into him if not for a challenge. And that was just the start. I’m honestly STUNNED Draymond wasn’t called for a flagrant
I love watching great athletes in any sport, and I appreciate LeBron's place in history, but I wouldn't say I'm a "fan." And I'm definitely not a Lakers fan. But I can tell that you dislike LeBron a ton.
As I watched the game live, I did not think the officiating down the stretch was egregiously one-sided.
I think a very good case could have been made for that being a flagrant on Green. He made no play on the ball whatsoever, and his arms and hands definitely came downward and struck an opponent hard in the face. But I ultimately agree with Javie, Van Gundy, Jackson -- and you -- that it was just a regular foul.
BTW, I liked after the game that LeBron and Draymond hugged and chatted briefly. Two warriors and two winners saying, "Great game, see you next time."
And I do think Green is a winner, even though he often acts like a dope and even though his antics probably cost the Warriors the 2016 NBA championship.
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LeBron isn't a loser. He is about as big of a phony as you will find anywhere, in any field.
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I totally believe he’ll need double surgery to replace his eyeballs. First ever person to get a new eyeball and be able to see with it. And that’ll be done by the weekend.
Anybody questioning that didn’t see the blatant and vicious elbow to the chin Juan gave him on the charge that got over called. I mean, LBJ was showing the refs what happened and it was clear as day he was exactly right.
(I love that even though they have it slowed down and zoomed in and Juan’s elbow never came close to LBJ’s chin, Breen can’t say “he didn’t get elbowed.” It has to be “I didn’t see anything from that angle.”)
Yes. Let's not forget his reaction to Juan's "vicious elbow". Excellent point on the gutless Breen with that one. Anyone who doesn't think LeBron isn't one of the biggest phonies in the history of sports isn't dealing with reality.
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Yes. Let's not forget his reaction to Juan's "vicious elbow". Excellent point on the gutless Breen with that one. Anyone who doesn't think LeBron isn't one of the biggest phonies in the history of sports isn't dealing with reality.
Honestly the elbow one was worse for me.
At least with the Draymond one, he did legit get hit and in the moment while its complete cowardly he tried to sell the call.
The Juan play was a complete whiff, and he started trying to claim contact while sitting on the bench when the review was already going down. Everyone including the refs are at that point seeing its complete bs and there is nothing to try and sell.
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Wags, you can call him anything you want. Free country, and all that. But personally, I don't think "loser" is the word I'd choose for one of the winningest players in basketball history. He's also a billionaire who has given tens of millions of dollars to charitable causes. I wish Marquette and the other teams and athletes I actually root for "lost" like he has.
Fine, swap out “loser” with phony, childish, etc
I don’t care what he’s done off the court with charity, cause it’s certainly admirable but not germane to this discussion. I’ve never said he’s a monster or that he should “shut up and dribble.” I think much of his on court behavior, for a player of his ability and size and accomplishment is pathetic and always has been. And I also think he, very much like Aaron Rodgers, is OBSESSED with an ongoing narrative that paints him as heroic and overcoming, often to excess. A close win against an inferior team needs a brushing of personal adversity to show that he was really a dramatic victor, not that his team snuck past someone they should have handily beat. He’s been pretty consistent about it his entire career. Just like all the books he pretends he reads for photo ops in the locker room yet doesn’t get past the first 20 pages :o
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Bronnie's an idiot, aina?
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I can only imagine the carnage here if the Lakers win the title.
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Bronnie's an idiot, aina?
Why go after the guy's kid, eh?
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Fine, swap out “loser” with phony, childish, etc
I don’t care what he’s done off the court with charity, cause it’s certainly admirable but not germane to this discussion. I’ve never said he’s a monster or that he should “shut up and dribble.” I think much of his on court behavior, for a player of his ability and size and accomplishment is pathetic and always has been. And I also think he, very much like Aaron Rodgers, is OBSESSED with an ongoing narrative that paints him as heroic and overcoming, often to excess. A close win against an inferior team needs a brushing of personal adversity to show that he was really a dramatic victor, not that his team snuck past someone they should have handily beat. He’s been pretty consistent about it his entire career. Just like all the books he pretends he reads for photo ops in the locker room yet doesn’t get past the first 20 pages :o
Ty JWags. I forgot about his photo-op fake reading. Another very important example about his history of pathetic actions. There's no way to sugarcoat any of his nonsense.
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Ty JWags. I forgot about his photo-op fake reading. Another very important example about his history of pathetic actions. There's no way to sugarcoat any of his nonsense.
I had never heard about the fake reading thing, but googling "lebron pretending to read" the first result is rt.com. I have no idea whether he fakes reading, there's an nbcsports.com article that talks about how he's always pictured reading the first few pages of a book, but I can tell you any time you end up in a hit piece published by Pravda 2.0, it's not as damning as the Borscht-Crew thinks it is.
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I had never heard about the fake reading thing, but googling "lebron pretending to read" the first result is rt.com. I have no idea whether he fakes reading, there's an nbcsports.com article that talks about how he's always pictured reading the first few pages of a book, but I can tell you any time you end up in a hit piece published by Pravda 2.0, it's not as damning as the Borscht-Crew thinks it is.
I remember PMT calling him on it. He supposedly reads The Godfather every playoffs but is always on the first few pages.
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This book reading thing is very serious. This is where we miss Bill Barr as he could open an investigation so we could get to the bottom of this. The depth to which LeBron haters will sink is astounding to me.
Whether he reads books or not means next to nothing. The only effect it might have is that young kids see him with an open book and they themselves become more likely to read. Wouldn't that be terrible.
But give it a bit more time. You guys will come up with something equally silly.
I am a big GS fan. They didn't lose because the refs gave it to LA or because LeBron conned people. They won because LeBron hit a very tough 3 and Poole missed a wide open easy 3. They also didn't lose because KCP travelled and it wasn't called because you could just as easily pick out 20 other plays where the refs didn't call something.
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I find peoples' Lebron obsession to be really funny. The fact that he gets people all spun up is kinda amusing tbh. If the book thing causes people to melt down I hope he starts "reading" War and Peace in Russian, or Das Kapital in German, or an unabridged copy of "The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" just to screw with people. Mix it up with a copy of One Fish Two Fish Red Fish Blue Fish, just for the lulz.
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I find peoples' Lebron obsession to be really funny. The fact that he gets people all spun up is kinda amusing tbh. If the book thing causes people to melt down I hope he starts "reading" War and Peace in Russian, or Das Kapital in German, or an unabridged copy of "The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" just to screw with people. Mix it up with a copy of One Fish Two Fish Red Fish Blue Fish, just for the lulz.
I root for the guy just to see people here get flustered because it's so amusing.
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I have never rooted for any of LeBron’s teams to win the title, and I agree completely with Ficke and Sultan.
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I find peoples' Lebron obsession to be really funny. The fact that he gets people all spun up is kinda amusing tbh. If the book thing causes people to melt down I hope he starts "reading" War and Peace in Russian, or Das Kapital in German, or an unabridged copy of "The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" just to screw with people. Mix it up with a copy of One Fish Two Fish Red Fish Blue Fish, just for the lulz.
Its no different than Rodgers, but most of the people here are Packers fans so its a slanted perception.
I think Lebron gets a lot of Tebow factor in his coverage. Everything he does is glorified (in no small part because he has an unreal support team. As much as I don't care for Lebron, I admire the HELL out of Maverick Carter, despite not liking his primary product). Couple that with Lebron fans who migrate from team to team with him and right now are bigger and louder and more boisterous Lakers fans than people who sat courtside during the Showtime era, and its a perfect cocktail.
I get Fluffy's stance and in many cases I'm the same way. Chaos is endlessly amusing.
But FOH with the high horse nonsense sneering at "Lebron haters". Nobody is "melting down" over the book stuff. It was a light hearted jab. Same way people laugh at an athlete's fashion choice if they view themselves as a tastemaker. Nobody is losing their mind over it. Its just more phony behavior from someone who likes to portray themselves as "real".
Nobody is picking at little things. In big moment in a one and done game, the best player of a generation got poked in the eye and crumbled to the floor holding his face in one hand and his hamstring in the other, for some reason, and rolled around for minutes trying to draw a flagrant. Then hit a monster shot and when asked about it, unprompted, brought up getting hit in the eye and lied about supposed triple vision. It would have been patently absurd if Kuzma did it or Draymond. Hell if it was Draymond, the reaction would be even more crazed.
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Nobody is picking at little things. In big moment in a one and done game, the best player of a generation got poked in the eye and crumbled to the floor holding his face in one hand and his hamstring in the other, for some reason, and rolled around for minutes trying to draw a flagrant. Then hit a monster shot and when asked about it, unprompted, brought up getting hit in the eye and lied about supposed triple vision. It would have been patently absurd if Kuzma did it or Draymond. Hell if it was Draymond, the reaction would be even more crazed.
You do realize that is just an opinion - you have no idea how bad he was poked in the eye. The fact is that it was clearly visible.
I would also advise you to look at the way he landed. A lot of guys might have torn up a knee on that landing.
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Fine, swap out “loser” with phony, childish, etc
As I said, call him whatever you want ... though calling a guy who wins big almost everything year a “loser” did seem pretty silly.
As for the rest of this thread, it’s pretty funny how obsessed folks are with LeBron.
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As I said, call him whatever you want ... though calling a guy who wins big almost everything year a “loser” did seem pretty silly.
As for the rest of this thread, it’s pretty funny how obsessed folks are with LeBron.
Sorry we cant be all be so noble and detached and wise about sports as you, Mike. If only we were half obsessed with Lebron as you were about referencing a certain "emperor", "king", or "President Pandemic" in 75% of the threads here. 8-)
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As I said, call him whatever you want ... though calling a guy who wins big almost everything year a “loser” did seem pretty silly.
As for the rest of this thread, it’s pretty funny how obsessed folks are with LeBron.
Nobody's more obsessed with LeBron than LeBron. Or, I should say King James. Sorry LeBron!
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As I said, call him whatever you want ... though calling a guy who wins big almost everything year a “loser” did seem pretty silly.
As for the rest of this thread, it’s pretty funny how obsessed folks are with LeBron.
I was gonna say. It is funny. And I think some people don't know it works both ways.
He's so polarizing. Some people go out of their way to hate him and some go out of their way to love him.
We got multiple guys saying they root for his teams to win simply to see his haters meltdown. Ironically I root for a collapse to see his fanboys meltdown.
Personally he doesnt bother me much. His flopping is over the top. And the thought of him ever playing football is hilarious. But hes a solid human being.
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I was gonna say. It is funny. And I think some people don't know it works both ways.
He's so polarizing. Some people go out of their way to hate him and some go out of their way to love him.
We got multiple guys saying they root for his teams to win simply to see his haters meltdown. Ironically I root for a collapse to see his fanboys meltdown.
Personally he doesnt bother me much. His flopping is over the top. And the thought of him ever playing football is hilarious. But hes a solid human being got an incredible PR team around him, and has an absurd amount of money that allows him to donate a good amount to good things (which is good on him).
FIFY.
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Man, ya lost a bunch of us wit dat last sentence, hey?
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Nobody's more obsessed with LeBron than LeBron. Or, I should say King James. Sorry LeBron!
You're sort of a close second tho
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You're sort of a close second tho
Maybe second. But it's certainly not close. Nobody is in the same stratosphere.
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I was gonna say. It is funny. And I think some people don't know it works both ways.
He's so polarizing. Some people go out of their way to hate him and some go out of their way to love him.
We got multiple guys saying they root for his teams to win simply to see his haters meltdown. Ironically I root for a collapse to see his fanboys meltdown.
Personally he doesnt bother me much. His flopping is over the top. And the thought of him ever playing football is hilarious. But hes a solid human being.
Insert Mad Men "I don't think of you at all.gif." I'm mildly amused when people go to war over the guy, so I have no problem gently fanning the flames, but I can think of few things in major sports I care about less than the performance of the Lakers or any of their players not named Wesley.
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Is it automatic we slot Lebron ahead of Jabbar or Chamberlain? And what should be the penalty for fake reading? He was clearly exposed and looked like a buffoon. No one is denying his basketball greatness but facts are facts. I mean the guy looked like he was hit by a semi going 100 mph yesterday. How should the general public respond to his deceit and overall nonsense?
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Is it automatic we slot Lebron ahead of Jabbar or Chamberlain? And what should be the penalty for fake reading? He was clearly exposed and looked like a buffoon. No one is denying his basketball greatness but facts are facts. I mean the guy looked like he was hit by a semi going 100 mph yesterday. How should the general public respond to his deceit and overall nonsense?
I think they should get outraged and ask numerous leading questions on a message board.
And Lebron is top 5 all time IMO, in a sport that is tough to judge across eras.
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Is it automatic we slot Lebron ahead of Jabbar or Chamberlain? And what should be the penalty for fake reading? He was clearly exposed and looked like a buffoon. No one is denying his basketball greatness but facts are facts. I mean the guy looked like he was hit by a semi going 100 mph yesterday. How should the general public respond to his deceit and overall nonsense?
:o :o
I hope this is satire. I’ve made my feelings on LBJ well known but none of this has anything to do with how he stacks up as a player historically. In 25 years, my kids won’t know all of the silly crap he did. Reggie Miller was a notorious and flagrant flopper and that’s not a key tenant of his legacy
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:o :o
I hope this is satire. I’ve made my feelings on LBJ well known but none of this has anything to do with how he stacks up as a player historically. In 25 years, my kids won’t know all of the silly crap he did. Reggie Miller was a notorious and flagrant flopper and that’s not a key tenant of his legacy
It was somewhat in jest JWag but his photo-op with books is not a good look and another example of douchebaggery. On a serious note let's look at the greatest /top 5 players per decade. I was born in 1983 so I cannot truly grasp the greatness of many of the past legends. Nevertheless, I will give it a whirl.
1960's:
Chamberlain
Russell
Robertson
Baylor
West
1970's:
Jabbar
Barry
Erving
Hayes
Frazier
1980's
Bird
Magic
Moses
Thomas
McHale? Worthy?
1990's
Jordan
Hakeem
Barkley
K. Malone
Pippen
2000's
Shaq
Duncan
Bryant
Lebron
*WADE?
2010's
Lebron
Curry
Durant
Paul
Harden
This is just off the top of my head. I'm very unsure about the 70's.
* People seem to forget that Dwyane essentially had 2.5 healthy seasons. I will go to my grave believing his best was very comparable to Bryant by all metrics. Do not forget what he did in 2006, the fact that after surgery he was the best player on team USA in 2008, and was absolutely the MVP of the league on a garbage Heat team in 2009. :)
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Sorry we cant be all be so noble and detached and wise about sports as you, Mike. If only we were half obsessed with Lebron as you were about referencing a certain "emperor", "king", or "President Pandemic" in 75% of the threads here. 8-)
Politics! I’m telling!
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1980's
Bird
Magic
Moses
Thomas
McHale? Worthy?
Jordan would be the fifth. Won an MVP, as many first team All-NBA nods as Thomas and more than McHale and Worthy combined.
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Jordan would be the fifth. Won an MVP, as many first team All-NBA nods as Thomas and more than McHale and Worthy combined.
Ya...that's probably right. I wasn't thinking of his pre-titles career.
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My 2¢: LeBron is corny, but he's so damn good that I can look past his antics most of the time. Yeah, he flopped a couple times, but he also just dropped 35/9/8 on your team's head at age 36. To be able to compete at as high a level as he has for nearly two decades is absolutely incredible. He'll never be my favorite player but as a basketball fan, the plays he can make on the court outweigh the cringe stuff - by quite a bit.
Ok, the book thing is definitely silly. And the flopping/complaining is pretty pathetic and it does impact my opinion of him. Does that make him a "phony"? I don't know. But the man does his job well and wins a ton of games every single year. And PR team or not, I think he means well and does try to make a positive impact on the community.
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My 2¢: LeBron is corny, but he's so damn good that I can look past his antics most of the time. Yeah, he flopped a couple times, but he also just dropped 35/9/8 on your team's head at age 36. To be able to compete at as high a level as he has for nearly two decades is absolutely incredible. He'll never be my favorite player but as a basketball fan, the plays he can make on the court outweigh the cringe stuff - by quite a bit.
Ok, the book thing is definitely silly. And the flopping/complaining is pretty pathetic and it does impact my opinion of him. Does that make him a "phony"? I don't know. But the man does his job well and wins a ton of games every single year. And PR team or not, I think he means well and does try to make a positive impact on the community.
How dare you try to be reasonable on the internet. It's torches OR pitchforks, never both and always one. smdh.
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My 2¢: LeBron is corny, but he's so damn good that I can look past his antics most of the time. Yeah, he flopped a couple times, but he also just dropped 35/9/8 on your team's head at age 36. To be able to compete at as high a level as he has for nearly two decades is absolutely incredible. He'll never be my favorite player but as a basketball fan, the plays he can make on the court outweigh the cringe stuff - by quite a bit.
This reminds me of something I saw on Facebook earlier:
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I had two initial thoughts:
- It's easy to forget how damn good Larry Bird was. Absolutely phenomenal. Sneaky good and I'm always amazed when I look at his stats. He doesn't get his due.
- Now do age 36.
Here are the numbers:
Bird
- 0.0 PPG
- 0.0 RPG
- 0.0 APG
- 0.0 FG%
James
- 25.0 PPG
- 7.7 RPG
- 7.8 APG
- 51.3 FG%
I'm well aware that one could place a lot of caveats on this (e.g., Bird's age 35 numbers were also really good; Bird retired because of injury; James only played 45 games, etc.), but it is impressive how productive Lebron remains at 36.
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How dare you try to be reasonable on the internet. It's torches OR pitchforks, never both and always one. smdh.
Bro I'm 6'5", I bench 350, IQ 180. Dare you to say that to my face. You don't want this smoke, bro
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Fine, swap out “loser” with phony, childish, etc
I don’t care what he’s done off the court with charity, cause it’s certainly admirable but not germane to this discussion. I’ve never said he’s a monster or that he should “shut up and dribble.” I think much of his on court behavior, for a player of his ability and size and accomplishment is pathetic and always has been. And I also think he, very much like Aaron Rodgers, is OBSESSED with an ongoing narrative that paints him as heroic and overcoming, often to excess. A close win against an inferior team needs a brushing of personal adversity to show that he was really a dramatic victor, not that his team snuck past someone they should have handily beat. He’s been pretty consistent about it his entire career. Just like all the books he pretends he reads for photo ops in the locker room yet doesn’t get past the first 20 pages :o
I think Wags' comparison to Rodgers is spot on.
With both of them I respect the hell out of what they have done on the court and off it. But the way they carry themselves is exhausting.
LeBron's I Promise School, Miami bike program, etc. and Rodgers' MACC Fund / Small biz giving is amazing
Both of their behavior off the court is stellar. Both of their play on the field is amazing
But the narrative they write for themselves is hilarious...
Yesterday LeBron posted TR's Man in the Arena speech...days after telling us the Play In games are an injustice. Meanwhile Rodgers leaves Lambeau saying my future is a beautiful mystery and refuses to publicly address his situation with GB.
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Bro I'm 6'5", I bench 350, IQ 180. Dare you to say that to my face. You don't want this smoke, bro
Keefe is laughing at you and wondering how you aren't embarrassed to put those stats out to the universe.
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StillAWarrior - I don't know about the kids today, but I'm old enough to know that Bird was a force in his day. Super competitive and an extremely effective ballplayer
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Keefe is laughing at you and wondering how you aren't embarrassed to put those stats out to the universe.
I have a poster of Keefe on the wall in my garage gym, where I deadlift 550 for reps
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My 2¢: LeBron is corny, but he's so damn good that I can look past his antics most of the time. Yeah, he flopped a couple times, but he also just dropped 35/9/8 on your team's head at age 36. To be able to compete at as high a level as he has for nearly two decades is absolutely incredible. He'll never be my favorite player but as a basketball fan, the plays he can make on the court outweigh the cringe stuff - by quite a bit.
Ok, the book thing is definitely silly. And the flopping/complaining is pretty pathetic and it does impact my opinion of him. Does that make him a "phony"? I don't know. But the man does his job well and wins a ton of games every single year. And PR team or not, I think he means well and does try to make a positive impact on the community.
Yep, on all of the above.
This reminds me of something I saw on Facebook earlier:
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I had two initial thoughts:
- It's easy to forget how damn good Larry Bird was. Absolutely phenomenal. Sneaky good and I'm always amazed when I look at his stats. He doesn't get his due.
- Now do age 36.
Here are the numbers:
Bird
- 0.0 PPG
- 0.0 RPG
- 0.0 APG
- 0.0 FG%
James
- 25.0 PPG
- 7.7 RPG
- 7.8 APG
- 51.3 FG%
I'm well aware that one could place a lot of caveats on this (e.g., Bird's age 35 numbers were also really good; Bird retired because of injury; James only played 45 games, etc.), but it is impressive how productive Lebron remains at 36.
I really like this and my only nit is that I don't think Bird "doesn't get his due." He is included on almost any list of best basketball players ever, and he and Magic often are credited with "saving" the NBA. Not Russell or Wilt or West, not Michael, and certainly not LeBron ... but Bird and Magic.
It's a shame that injuries cut short Bird's career. He was amazing.
LeBron's longevity -- he is still a force at age 36 and in his 18th season -- truly is astonishing, especially when paired with his talent.
I can't put him up there with Jordan, but I've seen reasonable arguments that do.
Is it automatic we slot Lebron ahead of Jabbar or Chamberlain?
Yes.
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When are we going to call LeBron antics for what they are? Cheating. He is attempting to influence the ref to make a call to give his team an advantage when they do not deserve one. Cheating.
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When are we going to call LeBron antics for what they are? Cheating. He is attempting to influence the ref to make a call to give his team an advantage when they do not deserve one. Cheating.
And everyone does it. Sheesh, guys.
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When are we going to call LeBron antics for what they are? Cheating. He is attempting to influence the ref to make a call to give his team an advantage when they do not deserve one. Cheating.
lol, George Thompson used to talk about getting an acting degree when he was on the broadcast and one of our players drew a questionable shooting foul. Guess we have had a lot of cheaters over the years.
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When are we going to call LeBron antics for what they are? Cheating. He is attempting to influence the ref to make a call to give his team an advantage when they do not deserve one. Cheating.
You forgot teal
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I really like this and my only nit is that I don't think Bird "doesn't get his due." He is included on almost any list of best basketball players ever, and he and Magic often are credited with "saving" the NBA. Not Russell or Wilt or West, not Michael, and certainly not LeBron ... but Bird and Magic.
I think that you make a good point, but I think that position resonates with a certain age group (i.e., those roughly our age or older) but not nearly as much with younger. I can guarantee you that my son -- who follows sports in general and the NBA specifically pretty closely -- would never think of Bird as being in the same conversation as most of the others you mentioned. It's ignorant, I realize, but I think it's pretty common. Even I, who watched Bird play and thoroughly enjoyed the Magic/Bird rivalry, often find myself surprised when I watch old footage of Bird or look at his stats.
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Ah, if that was a non-tealed teal post, I missed it and take my well deserved shaming. My bad.
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I can't put him up there with Jordan, but I've seen reasonable arguments that do.
Yes.
I disagree on both points, Mike. I think LeBron's longevity with showing signs of a decline equalize the two. But, I don't know who was better.
A good argument could be made for Wilt or Kareem as #1 overall. They were so unstoppable that rules were changed solely as a way to defend them. That never happened with MJ or LeBron.
If total career - HS, college, NBA - are all included, then it is a no-brainer. Kareem is #1 easily. His HS accomplishments are legendary. As a freshman in college, he led the UCLA freshman team (they weren't eligible for varsity play) in a blowout over the UCLA varsity team which was #1 in the country. His pro stats stand on their own with all of the MVPs and Championships.
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I disagree on both points, Mike. I think LeBron's longevity with showing signs of a decline equalize the two. But, I don't know who was better.
A good argument could be made for Wilt or Kareem as #1 overall. They were so unstoppable that rules were changed solely as a way to defend them. That never happened with MJ or LeBron.
If total career - HS, college, NBA - are all included, then it is a no-brainer. Kareem is #1 easily. His HS accomplishments are legendary. As a freshman in college, he led the UCLA freshman team (they weren't eligible for varsity play) in a blowout over the UCLA varsity team which was #1 in the country. His pro stats stand on their own with all of the MVPs and Championships.
Kareem is a much better actor as well Airplane!>>>>>Conan the Destroyer>>>Space Jam>>Space Jam 2
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I disagree on both points, Mike. I think LeBron's longevity with showing signs of a decline equalize the two. But, I don't know who was better.
FWIW, Jordan plays 100 games a season and led the league in scoring and putting up his career averages in A/R/S at ages 33, 34, and 35. Lebron has played 100 games in a season once since he turned 30. Jordan also averaged 22/6/4 over 2 seasons at age 38/39 on teams with Kwame Brown and Bobby Simmons, not Anthony Davis.
Lebron's longevity has been impressive, especially since he entered the league at 19. But Jordan had longevity and high production into his mid 30s too. And he wasnt load managing like Lebron has for years. Hell, Lebron mailed in the back half of his first season in LA and sat out cause it was a bad team and he was focused on the next few years.
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Why are we bothering with LeBron and MJ and ignoring the real story?
https://twitter.com/tomhaberstroh/status/1395565747376635906
Tom Haberstroh
@tomhaberstroh
The Washington Wizards are the fifth different team that Ish Smith has carried to the playoffs. That's more than Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Larry Bird and Dirk Nowitzki combined.
9:22 PM · May 20, 2021·Twitter Web App
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Jordan did not play at age 30. He did not play at ages 35, 36, and 37. He also sat out almost all of his age 22 and age 31 seasons. He had only 11 seasons where he started over 70 games in the regular season.
James had 13 seasons over 70 games and none under 45 games. Lebron has played 81 more playoff games than Jordan. After all of the extra games, he is still the most dominant player in the NBA. In other words. Lebron has played over 300 more games SO FAR than Jordan did in his career.
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Jordan did not play at age 30. He did not play at ages 35, 36, and 37. He also sat out almost all of his age 22 and age 31 seasons. He had only 11 seasons where he started over 70 games in the regular season.
James had 13 seasons over 70 games and none under 45 games. Lebron has played 81 more playoff games than Jordan. After all of the extra games, he is still the most dominant player in the NBA. In other words. Lebron has played over 300 more games SO FAR than Jordan did in his career.
The bolded is untrue, no matter what the metric.
Jordan didnt play at 35? He turned 35 in the middle of the 98 championship season. And if Jordan played 36-37-38, you dont think he would have put up the same numbers, given what he did at 39?
And nobody is saying Lebron isn't impressive. But its not unprecendented. Karl Malone averaged 20 and 8 for multiple All Star seasons at an older age than Lebron and will have more games played unless Lebron plays another 4 full-ish seasons. Tim Duncan was still a double double machine All Star into his late 30s again with well more games than Lebron. And thats not even getting into Kareem.
There are myriad reasons to praise Lebron. And his high production this late in his career is to be commended. But unlike much of what he's done in his career, its not outlandish, its been carefully scripted and planned for 5+ years now, and is massively aided by a top 5 player taking tons of pressure off him. Its not a discredit, I just don't see how it gives any extra fuel to have him argued above Jordan.
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The bolded is untrue, no matter what the metric.
Jordan didnt play at 35? He turned 35 in the middle of the 98 championship season. And if Jordan played 36-37-38, you dont think he would have put up the same numbers, given what he did at 39?
And nobody is saying Lebron isn't impressive. But its not unprecendented. Karl Malone averaged 20 and 8 for multiple All Star seasons at an older age than Lebron and will have more games played unless Lebron plays another 4 full-ish seasons. Tim Duncan was still a double double machine All Star into his late 30s again with well more games than Lebron. And thats not even getting into Kareem.
There are myriad reasons to praise Lebron. And his high production this late in his career is to be commended. But unlike much of what he's done in his career, its not outlandish, its been carefully scripted and planned for 5+ years now, and is massively aided by a top 5 player taking tons of pressure off him. Its not a discredit, I just don't see how it gives any extra fuel to have him argued above Jordan.
Stats are also completely skewed in this era because of the lack of physicality on the perimeter and no one laying out people at the rim. You have to wonder how LeBaby would have reacted to actually getting power elbowed on a drive? Would an ambulance always be on call? Lebron's longevity is admirable, and certainly a component of greatness, but there are many other factors if we are going to talk about the GOAT. I was young but I do not recall Jordan writhing in fake pain, after barely getting touched, every game, during his illustrious career. LeBaby is a tremendous player, definitely top 5 ever, but he's even greater at fake reading and looking like a grenade detonated in his pocket on a regular basis.
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Stats are also completely skewed in this era because of the lack of physicality on the perimeter and no one laying out people at the rim. You have to wonder how LeBaby would have reacted to actually getting power elbowed on a drive? Would an ambulance always be on call? Lebron's longevity is admirable, and certainly a component of greatness, but there are many other factors if we are going to talk about the GOAT. I was young but I do not recall Jordan writhing in fake pain, after barely getting touched, every game, during his illustrious career. LeBaby is a tremendous player, definitely top 5 ever, but he's even greater at fake reading and looking like a grenade detonated in his pocket on a regular basis.
I'm no LeBron stan, but you are a child.
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Stats are also completely skewed in this era because of the lack of physicality on the perimeter and no one laying out people at the rim. You have to wonder how LeBaby would have reacted to actually getting power elbowed on a drive? Would an ambulance always be on call? Lebron's longevity is admirable, and certainly a component of greatness, but there are many other factors if we are going to talk about the GOAT. I was young but I do not recall Jordan writhing in fake pain, after barely getting touched, every game, during his illustrious career. LeBaby is a tremendous player, definitely top 5 ever, but he's even greater at fake reading and looking like a grenade detonated in his pocket on a regular basis.
Lebron would have been absolutely dominant in the Jordan era. And I think you’re more hung up on his politics.
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Stats are also completely skewed in this era because of the lack of physicality on the perimeter and no one laying out people at the rim. You have to wonder how LeBaby would have reacted to actually getting power elbowed on a drive?
That's just silly nonsense. LeBron is the big, strong guy. He is the one that would be handing out the punishment if that were allowed.
Sultan saved me the trouble of getting into why you really hate LeBron. When Massa says "shut up and dribble", he better obey.
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That's just silly nonsense. LeBron is the big, strong guy. He is the one that would be handing out the punishment if that were allowed.
Sultan saved me the trouble of getting into why you really hate LeBron. When Massa says "shut up and dribble", he better obey.
You may be right but why does he flop constantly and look like he's been shot on a regular basis? The criticism of him is valid imo despite his greatness as a player.
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You may be right but why does he flop constantly and look like he's been shot on a regular basis? The criticism of him is valid imo despite his greatness as a player.
Because it works? If he got zero calls, or drew Ts every time he did it, he'd stop. Is this a serious question?
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Because it works? If he got zero calls, or drew Ts every time he did it, he'd stop. Is this a serious question?
Does he also fake read because "it works"? My take is the guy is a disingenuous buffoon and I'm entitled to my opinion. It's quite frankly embarrassing. I'm certainly not the only one who finds his antics absurd. Great player but there's a reason many people dislike him.
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Lebron would have been absolutely dominant in the Jordan era. And I think you’re more hung up on his politics.
Lebron would have been fine in any era. He’s a great athlete and basketball player and would adjust to however the game was played. Same holds for MJ and the other greats. There are some players who are products of their era, but not many of the all-timers.
Lebron does what he does because it works - not because he’s not tough; not because he’s weak; not because he’s an attention whore (although he is). Because it works. It’s the most annoying thing about him, and I wish he didn’t do it. If they started T’ing him up, he’d adjust.
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Stats are also completely skewed in this era because of the lack of physicality on the perimeter and no one laying out people at the rim. You have to wonder how LeBaby would have reacted to actually getting power elbowed on a drive? Would an ambulance always be on call? Lebron's longevity is admirable, and certainly a component of greatness, but there are many other factors if we are going to talk about the GOAT. I was young but I do not recall Jordan writhing in fake pain, after barely getting touched, every game, during his illustrious career. LeBaby is a tremendous player, definitely top 5 ever, but he's even greater at fake reading and looking like a grenade detonated in his pocket on a regular basis.
Jordan didn’t writhe in fake pain because he didn’t have to. He was the beneficiary of a tremendous number of absolute bullcrap phantom foul calls during his career.
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Did you just see that tip-throwdown by JTA??
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Ain't nothin' Muggster. Wait 'til he busts out in a sweat, hey?
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Jordan didn’t writhe in fake pain because he didn’t have to. He was the beneficiary of a tremendous number of absolute bullcrap phantom foul calls during his career.
I assume Jordan was the beneficiary of calls during his career but that's different than writhing in fake pain nor do I accept Lebron "has to" do this. What else must he do or else? Is he required to say asinine things constantly, pretend he can't see, and essentially be an assclown? Is that part of his contract? Look, I realize I'm being a bit hyperbolic because that's my style, but there is no way to justify some of his ridiculous antics. No normal person doesn't get touched and pretends he's at Normandy during WW2.
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Ain't nothin' Muggster. Wait 'til he busts out in a sweat, hey?
Touche! Let's hope he can help Curry out with some buckets.
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I think that you make a good point, but I think that position resonates with a certain age group (i.e., those roughly our age or older) but not nearly as much with younger. I can guarantee you that my son -- who follows sports in general and the NBA specifically pretty closely -- would never think of Bird as being in the same conversation as most of the others you mentioned. It's ignorant, I realize, but I think it's pretty common. Even I, who watched Bird play and thoroughly enjoyed the Magic/Bird rivalry, often find myself surprised when I watch old footage of Bird or look at his stats.
Fair enough, though does he know much about anybody other than Michael and Magic of the pre-2000 stars?
There's lots of recency bias in these arguments.
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Does he also fake read because "it works"? My take is the guy is a disingenuous buffoon and I'm entitled to my opinion. It's quite frankly embarrassing. I'm certainly not the only one who finds his antics absurd. Great player but there's a reason many people dislike him.
How many times are you gonna do the fake-read thing? And if you want to bring up “frankly embarrassing”, a mirror would do the trick.
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I disagree on both points, Mike. I think LeBron's longevity with showing signs of a decline equalize the two. But, I don't know who was better.
A good argument could be made for Wilt or Kareem as #1 overall. They were so unstoppable that rules were changed solely as a way to defend them. That never happened with MJ or LeBron.
If total career - HS, college, NBA - are all included, then it is a no-brainer. Kareem is #1 easily. His HS accomplishments are legendary. As a freshman in college, he led the UCLA freshman team (they weren't eligible for varsity play) in a blowout over the UCLA varsity team which was #1 in the country. His pro stats stand on their own with all of the MVPs and Championships.
Jordan played in all 82 games at age 39 with the Wizards, averaged 37 minutes per game. The previous season, he was one of the leading MVP contenders, and deservedly so, until his body broke down.
But yes, you can make a "good argument" for whomever you want. And if you want to include H.S. and college -- or even middle school and biddy ball -- that is your right. This is 'Merica ... or so I've fake read!
Seriously, given the skill sets and the accomplishments, I believe Jordan and James are hands down the two best players ever. They did/do more things great than anybody, and their games would translate to any era of play. They would have been the two best players in the '60s IMHO; Jordan would have been the best today; LeBron would have been one of the two best in the '90s. That's my opinion. Others are entitled to theirs.
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You may be right but why does he flop constantly and look like he's been shot on a regular basis? The criticism of him is valid imo despite his greatness as a player.
I assume Jordan was the beneficiary of calls during his career but that's different than writhing in fake pain nor do I accept Lebron "has to" do this. What else must he do or else? Is he required to say asinine things constantly, pretend he can't see, and essentially be an assclown? Is that part of his contract? Look, I realize I'm being a bit hyperbolic because that's my style, but there is no way to justify some of his ridiculous antics. No normal person doesn't get touched and pretends he's at Normandy during WW2.
I think it’s funny that the youngsters think flopping is a recent phenomenon.
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How many times are you gonna do the fake-read thing? And if you want to bring up “frankly embarrassing”, a mirror would do the trick.
Jockey, I'm just reiterating an example of his mendacity. And this has manifested itself in numerous instances including when he faked a hate crime at his home. We can agree to disagree about Lebron as a man but there is no question he's among the select best in the history of the sport of basketball. But frankly I think people need to open their eyes about what I would term his overall douchebaggery. If you fake read for the purpose of a particular narrative, or make crap up for that matter, it a sign of someone who is a pathological liar.
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Jockey, I'm just reiterating an example of his mendacity. And this has manifested itself in numerous instances including when he faked a hate crime at his home. We can agree to disagree about Lebron as a man but there is no question he's among the select best in the history of the sport of basketball. But frankly I think people need to open their eyes about what I would term his overall douchebaggery. If you fake read for the purpose of a particular narrative, or make crap up for that matter, it a sign of someone who is a pathological liar.
I mean a lot of professional athletes engage in douchebaggery.
But it’s weird how many are obsessed with Lebron’s. I guess it’s his politics, “The Decision,” or the fact that he threatens the status of Jordan (talk about douchebaggery), but it is just so odd.
You’ve made about a dozen posts in this topic about it...yet no one is disagreeing with your premise about his off court stuff.
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I mean a lot of professional athletes engage in douchebaggery.
But it’s weird how many are obsessed with Lebron’s. I guess it’s his politics, “The Decision,” or the fact that he threatens the status of Jordan (talk about douchebaggery), but it is just so odd.
You’ve made about a dozen posts in this topic about it...yet no one is disagreeing with your premise about his off court stuff.
That's fair. Sometimes I get a little carried away. My apologies FBM.
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Yeah butt, da Bucks are Giannis, Jrue, and a bunch of smoes, hey?
Smoe 1 ... Doc 0, nu?
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Lotsa golf yet ta bee played, boychik, aina?
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Lotsa golf yet ta bee played, boychik, aina?
Shaddup an drill, nu?
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“Markus Howard has really lit up that Nugget bench. Michael Malone calls him a ‘bucket getter.’”
- ESPN announcer Jason Benetti
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“Markus Howard has really lit up that Nugget bench. Michael Malone calls him a ‘bucket getter.’”
- ESPN announcer Jason Benetti
https://twitter.com/ryancbs4/status/1396306732628934659?s=21
Watching one of the biggest and brightest young stars in the NBA get this fired up and motivational for Markus is amazing. Kid has made believers out of the Nuggets and their fans. Incredible how good he’s been in meaningful minutes compared to how much he struggled in spot garbage time earlier in the year
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https://twitter.com/ryancbs4/status/1396306732628934659?s=21
Watching one of the biggest and brightest young stars in the NBA get this fired up and motivational for Markus is amazing. Kid has made believers out of the Nuggets and their fans. Incredible how good he’s been in meaningful minutes compared to how much he struggled in spot garbage time earlier in the year
Bam. Don't forget the young man shot 54% from distance his Freshman year when he wasn't the first option. The kid can shoot the rock, hopefully he finds a niche.
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I still can't believe there are people (and Bucks fans) who think Khris Middleton is not good at basketball.
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I still can't believe there are people (and Bucks fans) who think Khris Middleton is not good at basketball.
I don’t think there has ever been a doubt that he is good at basketball, just if he’s good enough to be the second star on a championship team and/or consistently produce like a max player
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I don’t think there has ever been a doubt that he is good at basketball, just if he’s good enough to be the second star on a championship team and/or consistently produce like a max player
I'm not sure about that and I was a doubter of Middleton. The bottom line is Giannis has to step up his game in the playoffs. From the little I've watched he's still far too hesitant with his jumper and his free-throw percentage is way too low. In general I think the Bucks' problem is that they don't get as many transition hoops in the playoffs as they do in the regular season. I'm not a huge fan of Budenholzer's h-c offense.
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I don’t think there has ever been a doubt that he is good at basketball, just if he’s good enough to be the second star on a championship team and/or consistently produce like a max player
There are definitely people who think he's not good at basketball. Are those people who I should bother engaging with? Probably not.
The question about whether he can be the second star on a championship caliber team is a fair one.
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Good thing Jrue > Middleton.
But that was a big time shot and he played well yesterday.
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There are definitely people who think he's not good at basketball. Are those people who I should bother engaging with? Probably not.
The question about whether he can be the second star on a championship caliber team is a fair one.
Well he's not Anthony Davis or James Harden. After those two teams however I'm not sure there's a clear #2 who is better. It's certainly open for discussion. It seems to me he has to be the #1 at times when Giannis is a little off or missing foul shots.
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Apparently Middleton is good enough at basketball to go 27-6-6 — including the winning bucket in the final seconds — in a playoff game against a talented, proven, well-coached team that many are picking to return to the NBA Finals.
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Another beautiful flop performance from Lebron today.
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Another beautiful flop performance from Lebron today.
He'll never amount to anything.
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It's hard to see Brooklyn losing with their overall talent.
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Another beautiful flop performance from Lebron today.
And they are calling out Paul for a dirty play.
Paul boxed out the FT shooter. Lebron had both feet on the ground when the box out began. Lebron went over the back of Paul's boxout. But somehow it was a foul on Paul, and a dirty play by him...and Lebron had to writhe in pain on the ground.
All this could have been avoided if Lebron had been suspended for violating COVID protocols like he was supposed to be.
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And they are calling out Paul for a dirty play.
Paul boxed out the FT shooter. Lebron had both feet on the ground when the box out began. Lebron went over the back of Paul's boxout. But somehow it was a foul on Paul, and a dirty play by him...and Lebron had to writhe in pain on the ground.
All this could have been avoided if Lebron had been suspended for violating COVID protocols like he was supposed to be.
I didn't see it but very much appreciate the synopsis.
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And they are calling out Paul for a dirty play.
Paul boxed out the FT shooter. Lebron had both feet on the ground when the box out began. Lebron went over the back of Paul's boxout. But somehow it was a foul on Paul, and a dirty play by him...and Lebron had to writhe in pain on the ground.
All this could have been avoided if Lebron had been suspended for violating COVID protocols like he was supposed to be.
Paul grabbed Lebron’s arm. It was a clear foul. Did he oversell it? I have no idea, but it was undoubtedly a foul.
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I didn't see it but very much appreciate the synopsis.
It’s wrong.
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Paul grabbed Lebron’s arm. It was a clear foul. Did he oversell it? I have no idea, but it was undoubtedly a foul.
So if a guy goes over the back on a man boxing out, and the man boxing out then grabs the persons arm, who is it a foul on? Not to mention that type of grab of the arm happens probably on 60% of box outs in the NBA.
I'd go with the person instigating the contact, the person going over the back.
Bottom line, most definitely not a dirty play as the Lakers are selling it now. And Lebron was once again flopping and acting. If that is what Lebron considers an aggressive and dangerous play, he wouldn't have made it a single season in the 80's/early 90's. Heck, he wouldn't have made it a single series against the bad boy pistons.
https://heavy.com/sports/los-angeles-lakers/lebron-james-chris-paul-dangerous-play/
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So if a guy goes over the back on a man boxing out, and the man boxing out then grabs the persons arm, who is it a foul on? Not to mention that type of grab of the arm happens probably on 60% of box outs in the NBA.
I'd go with the person instigating the contact, the person going over the back.
Bottom line, most definitely not a dirty play as the Lakers are selling it now. And Lebron was once again flopping and acting. If that is what Lebron considers an aggressive and dangerous play, he wouldn't have made it a single season in the 80's/early 90's. Heck, he wouldn't have made it a single series against the bad boy pistons.
https://heavy.com/sports/los-angeles-lakers/lebron-james-chris-paul-dangerous-play/
You flat out have no idea what you are talking about. Paul cut in (early) from beyond the three point line and moved under Lebron and grabbed his arm.
Furthermore no one, including Paul, contested the call. Because it was obvious. Even the article you linked to doesn’t question the call.
Jeez I know you hate Lebron and all, but your bias is causing you to see things that aren’t there. Or you know jack sh*t about basketball. Which given your Bird>>>Lebron takes I’m not ruling out.
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How serious is Donovan Mitchell's injury?
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There are only three players playing right now that I would slot ahead of Wade all-time: Lebron, Curry, and Durant. I think people seem to forget what he did in the 2006 Finals. It was as dominant a series in the history of the NBA.
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You flat out have no idea what you are talking about. Paul cut in (early) from beyond the three point line and moved under Lebron and grabbed his arm.
Paul did not cut in early, he didn't cross the 3-pt line before Lebron released the ball. He initiated the box out when Lebron had both feet on the ground (not moving under). Lebron tried to go through Paul to get to the ball, their arms got tangled and Paul grabbed his arm. There is plenty commentary on the internet about whether it should have been a foul on Paul, and that it was a flop. Paul moved on, because thats pretty much who he is...a just play ball kind of guy. Can call a foul on Paul there, or Lebron.
If you want to see how common arms getting tangled like that is, go back and watch the Warriors v. Grizzlies game from a couple nights ago. Grabbing of arms like that happens on nearly every play with Looney and Valanciunas. Never called, because that physicality is part of NBA basketball and they aren't taking dives. It was called here only because Lebron took a dive.
If you want to find someone cutting in early, Lebron actually crosses the FT line a split second early. Would never be called as it was bang-bang, but that is the only person cutting in early.
Finally, I never said I have a problem with the foul being called, its fine. Rather pointing out as many on the internet have, that you could actually call a foul on Lebron there. My only point was the absurdity of Lebron and the Lakers. It was a dive. It was not aggressive or dirty, but they are playing it up as if Paul walked up to Lebron while he was shooting the free throw and kicked him square in the nuts.
That crap drives me nuts. I'm more like Paul, just play basketball. Hell, I've seen guys get elbowed in the face, a tooth pop out, and they just pick it up off the floor push it back in and finish the game, not even calling a foul.
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You flat out have no idea what you are talking about. Paul cut in (early) from beyond the three point line and moved under Lebron and grabbed his arm.
Furthermore no one, including Paul, contested the call. Because it was obvious. Even the article you linked to doesn’t question the call.
Jeez I know you hate Lebron and all, but your bias is causing you to see things that aren’t there. Or you know jack sh*t about basketball. Which given your Bird>>>Lebron takes I’m not ruling out.
It was a foul, correctly called. It also wasn’t dirty. Lebron had no reason to collapse to the ground like he did, holding his arm before he even landed. It was egregious flopping and overacting. But he was trying to create a mess and change momentum/steal points, it is what it is at this point. Shrug
Cam Payne somehow being the only one ejected during the scrum was bizarre. Also bizarre was AD deciding not to show up
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It was a foul, correctly called. It also wasn’t dirty. Lebron had no reason to collapse to the ground like he did, holding his arm before he even landed. It was egregious flopping and overacting. But he was trying to create a mess and change momentum/steal points, it is what it is at this point. Shrug
Cam Payne somehow being the only one ejected during the scrum was bizarre. Also bizarre was AD deciding not to show up
Ty JWags, I was watching golf. Did LeBron wear goggles or an eye-patch today? How was he able to complete after getting that hammer elbow from JTA?
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It was a foul, correctly called. It also wasn’t dirty. Lebron had no reason to collapse to the ground like he did, holding his arm before he even landed. It was egregious flopping and overacting. But he was trying to create a mess and change momentum/steal points, it is what it is at this point. Shrug
Cam Payne somehow being the only one ejected during the scrum was bizarre. Also bizarre was AD deciding not to show up
Agree on all counts except Payne shoved a guy then threw the ball too. No biggie in the end.
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Paul did not cut in early, he didn't cross the 3-pt line before Lebron released the ball. He initiated the box out when Lebron had both feet on the ground (not moving under). Lebron tried to go through Paul to get to the ball, their arms got tangled and Paul grabbed his arm. There is plenty commentary on the internet about whether it should have been a foul on Paul, and that it was a flop. Paul moved on, because thats pretty much who he is...a just play ball kind of guy. Can call a foul on Paul there, or Lebron.
If you want to see how common arms getting tangled like that is, go back and watch the Warriors v. Grizzlies game from a couple nights ago. Grabbing of arms like that happens on nearly every play with Looney and Valanciunas. Never called, because that physicality is part of NBA basketball and they aren't taking dives. It was called here only because Lebron took a dive.
If you want to find someone cutting in early, Lebron actually crosses the FT line a split second early. Would never be called as it was bang-bang, but that is the only person cutting in early.
Finally, I never said I have a problem with the foul being called, its fine. Rather pointing out as many on the internet have, that you could actually call a foul on Lebron there. My only point was the absurdity of Lebron and the Lakers. It was a dive. It was not aggressive or dirty, but they are playing it up as if Paul walked up to Lebron while he was shooting the free throw and kicked him square in the nuts.
That crap drives me nuts. I'm more like Paul, just play basketball. Hell, I've seen guys get elbowed in the face, a tooth pop out, and they just pick it up off the floor push it back in and finish the game, not even calling a foul.
<yawn>
Another playoffs, another tirade from forgetful acting like an NBA fan...
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Ty JWags, I was watching golf. Did LeBron wear goggles or an eye-patch today? How was he able to complete after getting that hammer elbow from JTA?
You're slipping, Muggs. You forgot to mention fake reading.
I can't believe this guy even gets any minutes. He's been a loser his entire life, and he is a reprehensible human being who eats babies, drowns kitties and farts in elevators.
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Some real Q-Lebron level conspiracies here.
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Also bizarre was AD deciding not to show up
From The Athletic:
Jae Crowder and Deandre Ayton successfully forced Davis away from the basket and he rewarded them with repeated long jumpers that clanked off the rim.
In arguably the most important game of the season, Davis turned in a disappointing 13 points on 5-of-16 shooting. Only three of his 16 shots were at the basket. The Lakers were outscored by 18 points in his 39 minutes on the floor.
With LeBron James hitting a pair of early 3s and Drummond establishing himself in the post in the game’s opening minutes, Davis admitted, “I kind of got lost in the offense.”
Think about that for a second. The same guy who had dominated the Suns 14 days earlier just … got lost?
“There’s no way we’re winning a game, let alone a series, with me playing the way that I played,” Davis said. “So, I mean, this is on me. I take full responsibility, for sure. We’ll be better Game 2.”
https://theathletic.com/2608499/2021/05/23/lakers-anthony-davis-takes-blame-for-game-1-loss-to-suns-this-is-on-me/?source=dailyemail
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Lol
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From The Athletic:
In arguably the most important game of the season, Davis turned in a disappointing 13 points on 5-of-16 shooting. Only three of his 16 shots were at the basket
https://theathletic.com/2608499/2021/05/23/lakers-anthony-davis-takes-blame-for-game-1-loss-to-suns-this-is-on-me/?source=dailyemail
On the other 13 shots, what was he shooting at?
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On the other 13 shots, what was he shooting at?
That's funny.
No wonder AD sucked ... he was taking shots at the scorer's table and mascot instead of at the basket!
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He was taking shots at people he disagrees with on the internet.
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Lol
Omg. Ty.. hadn't even thought of that angle.
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As far as the play with Chris Paul yesterday, having now watched the replay, my conclusion is Lebron is full of crap. If he actually did injure himself it was because he fake flopped. He's holding his arm and writhing in fake pain like an assclown. And while some of you may not have a problem with his antics, a lot of people are getting sick of his b-ass.
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a lot of people are getting sick of his b-ass.
Threatened, victimized w-people are especially sick of his b-ass.
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Threatened, victimized w-people are especially sick of his b-ass.
I'm not really sure why you are invoking race in this discussion.
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Someone buy Mugs a fainting couch. There’s flopping in the NBA???
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I'm not really sure why you are invoking race in this discussion.
Because you mentioned LeBron's b-ass?
And because the breakdown of folks who are constantly outraged about LeBron is about 99.5% white and 0.5% Black?
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Ty JWags, I was watching golf. Did LeBron wear goggles or an eye-patch today? How was he able to complete after getting that hammer elbow from JTA?
OCD. Get medicated now. That will spare us this constant drivel.
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Because you mentioned LeBron's b-ass?
And because the breakdown of folks who are constantly outraged about LeBron is about 99.5% white and 0.5% Black?
There are TONS of non-white NBA fans who can’t stand Lebron unless you’re choosing to zero in on off the court stuff. Muggs hysterics aside, it’s dumb to say that the only people sick of his varied attention seeking and diva antics are victimized whitefolk. Let’s keep it NBA related and not sink another thread.
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There are TONS of non-white NBA fans who can’t stand Lebron unless you’re choosing to zero in on off the court stuff. Muggs hysterics aside, it’s dumb to say that the only people sick of his varied attention seeking and diva antics are victimized whitefolk. Let’s keep it NBA related and not sink another thread.
Fair. I pushed my hyperbole limit here, Wags.
LeBron does and says lots of dopey things, as do many athletes -- and non-athletes.
He is one of the greatest basketball players ever, he is a role model to many, and he is a billionaire, so sure, he probably should be above dopiness. But wow ... some Scoopers are over the top on him.
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There are TONS of non-white NBA fans who can’t stand Lebron unless you’re choosing to zero in on off the court stuff. Muggs hysterics aside, it’s dumb to say that the only people sick of his varied attention seeking and diva antics are victimized whitefolk. Let’s keep it NBA related and not sink another thread.
Muggs is not hysterical. However if you think I should chillax, perhaps you can tell me what fake books LeBron is reading? Maybe one would calm me down or stimulate me in some way?
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Muggs is not hysterical. However if you think I should chillax, perhaps you can tell me what fake books LeBron is reading? Maybe one would calm me down or stimulate me in some way?
Wow. You are a sick, obsessive dude.
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Whoa......pretty decent quarter for the Bucks.
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hopefully they just go full capacity for a potebtial ecf. idk everyone looks decently close together tonight anyways. 2 weeks from now might as well at that point. is 50% that much safer.
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Forbes is on serious fire. Wow just wow.
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You're slipping, Muggs. You forgot to mention fake reading.
I can't believe this guy even gets any minutes. He's been a loser his entire life, and he is a reprehensible human being who eats babies, drowns kitties and farts in elevators.
Fartin' in church iz moor effective, aina?
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Miami getting dirty.
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Didn't this game start at 6:30 Central?
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Didn't this game start at 6:30 Central?
like 648
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I don't think I've ever seen a foul call like that. Pushed the screener into the shooter. Dedmon clearly fouled Tucker, who crashed into a shooting Portis. Dedmon never touched Portis but Portis ends up shooting three FTs.
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I don't think I've ever seen a foul call like that. Pushed the screener into the shooter. Dedmon clearly fouled Tucker, who crashed into a shooting Portis. Dedmon never touched Portis but Portis ends up shooting three FTs.
Lol. So this game is at 2.5 hrs and counting in a 30 pt blowout? Were the zebras looking at replays the entire first half?
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Question for Bucks fans: Would you rather have Jrue Holiday or Malcom Brogdon? If memory serves Brogdon had no intention of resigning with the Bucks but I was just curious what people think.
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Iz da grate Tyler Herro stil on da Hots?
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Heat in 6
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Question for Bucks fans: Would you rather have Jrue Holiday or Malcom Brogdon? If memory serves Brogdon had no intention of resigning with the Bucks but I was just curious what people think.
Holiday and it’s not even close, IMO. He’s as good offensively as Brogdon and he’s an exceptional defender. I’ve thought Holiday was one of the most underrated players in the league for a long time.
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Markus is on the floor early in the 2nd Q.
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Bam!! Sweet drive with a lefty finish from Markus Howard.
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Broadcasters making very favorable comments about our all-time scoring leader.
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Meanwhile....Lillard is pretty good. He's sort of overshadowed by Curry but both of them are absolutely ridiculous range-wise.
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Broadcasters making very favorable comments about our all-time scoring leader.
Greg Anthony has always been pro Marquette. I appreciated his studio commentary in 2013 while both Gottlieb and Barkley gave us no chance against Miami.
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Uh....Lillard is going bananas.
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Holiday and it’s not even close, IMO. He’s as good offensively as Brogdon and he’s an exceptional defender. I’ve thought Holiday was one of the most underrated players in the league for a long time.
This. Holiday does something just about every game that just amazes me, whether it is straight up defense, a steal, a slash or a pass. And he's a bit of a utility knife where he seems to fill whatever void we need that night.
15 asst tonight. Plus-minus is not everything, but he paced a dominant bench unit in the first quarter and had a game high +37
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Iz da grate Tyler Herro stil on da Hots?
Yeah. Herro and Jimmy B showin’ off their skills for everybody.
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I didn't realize how solid Holiday was this year offensively. If the Bucks get by Miami I think he's the key player vs Brooklyn on both ends of the floor.
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This. Holiday does something just about every game that just amazes me, whether it is straight up defense, a steal, a slash or a pass. And he's a bit of a utility knife where he seems to fill whatever void we need that night.
Game 1 was what really illustrated the difference between Jrue and Bled/Brogdon. That game followed the same script as a lot of Bucks playoff losses have followed the past few years. The offense bogs down, the ball starts to stick, and they struggle to score. But Jrue is so much more effective at creating good shots for himself than either of those two were, and it ended up keeping them in the game.
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Uh....Lillard is going bananas.
Just saw the highlights - Lillard is so fun to watch. One of my favorite current players
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Agree with the above posts. Holiday >>>> Brogdon. And I like Brogdon.
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Yeah. Herro and Jimmy B showin’ off their skills for everybody.
Well, Jimmy B has been a great player for years. We'll see if the same eventually can be said of Herro.
Maybe Herro will be great. It's possible; he has talent. But I do think a few were a little quick to (as Dennis Green would have said) crown his arse.
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I didn't realize how solid Holiday was this year offensively. If the Bucks get by Miami I think he's the key player vs Brooklyn on both ends of the floor.
This could end up coming back to haunt me, but I worry about sound defensive teams more than say the Nets.
No one is stopping their Big 3, but the Bucks can slow them down. But do the Nets have the team defensive discipline and philosophy to "build a wall" etc and stop the Bucks?
People like to rag on the Bucks for their playoff failures. Look at who has beat them: Celtics, Raptors, Heat. Tremendous defensive teams.
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This could end up coming back to haunt me, but I worry about sound defensive teams more than say the Nets.
No one is stopping their Big 3, but the Bucks can slow them down. But do the Nets have the team defensive discipline and philosophy to "build a wall" etc and stop the Bucks?
People like to rag on the Bucks for their playoff failures. Look at who has beat them: Celtics, Raptors, Heat. Tremendous defensive teams.
And the Celtics series was a 2/7 matchup under JKidd. They weren't expected to win that one.
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Speaking of LeBron's terrifying shoulder injury, that was even better acting than the eye poke acting. Dude's trying to pretend like CP3 ripped his shoulder out of its socket, but while laying on the ground he's moving it from holding his arm against his chest to up over his head, which obviously you would not be doing if your shoulder was really bothering you as badly as LeBron was pretending it was. Then when he realized all the attention was off of him and on the scuffle between Cam Payne and Karuso, he lets CP3 help him up, then like limps (not sure why) to the spot the scuffle happened (where he knows the cameras will be focused), which was in the complete opposite direction of where a trainer would be (on his bench), walking with his arm draped down as if it is hanging out of its socket again. And then he's just totally fine.
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Well, Jimmy B has been a great player for years. We'll see if the same eventually can be said of Herro.
Maybe Herro will be great. It's possible; he has talent. But I do think a few were a little quick to (as Dennis Green would have said) crown his arse.
From what I have read out of Miami, the Heat are not happy with him. The feeling was that he was going full Hollywood and acting like a star without the resume to back it up. They felt he didn’t work near as hard.
I fully expect Butler to be much better the next 2 games.
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CP3 doesn't look right. Very unfortunate cause they can't win if he's not healthy.
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Jae might wanna change his middle name to "Brick" this series.
Guy is long on every single shot. Pretty sure hes 0/10 from deep in the series.
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Jae might wanna change his middle name to "Brick" this series.
Guy is long on every single shot. Pretty sure hes 0/10 from deep in the series.
True dat. He's having serious issues.
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True dat. He's having serious issues.
There he is!!!
Team is playing infinitely better with Jae on the court though, even if hes missing.
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There he is!!!
Team is playing infinitely better with Jae on the court though, even if hes missing.
The fact that Phoenix is in this game is pretty incredible with Paul being a total non-factor.
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My game back in the day was very Doncicesque. He just has me by 15 inches.
It's a real shame CP3 is injured.
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Booker is a very good player. Hes not a star.
Game completely turned when he came back in late in the 4th. Hes not very good defensively(generous) and he doesnt have that clutch gene on O yet
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Booker is a very good player. Hes not a star.
Game completely turned when he came back in late in the 4th. Hes not very good defensively(generous) and he doesnt have that clutch gene on O yet
They can't win with an injured CP3.
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Booker is a very good player. Hes not a star.
Game completely turned when he came back in late in the 4th. Hes not very good defensively(generous) and he doesnt have that clutch gene on O yet
At this point, you’re totally correct. But, he’s only 24 and the vast majority of his career has been putting up empty numbers on terrible teams through little fault of his own. He has hardly any experience winning when it matters. It will come, he’s insanely gifted
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My game back in the day was very Doncicesque. He just has me by 15 inches.
It's a real shame CP3 is injured.
Ewe should cee a urologist, hey?
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Booker is a very good player. Hes not a star.
Game completely turned when he came back in late in the 4th. Hes not very good defensively(generous) and he doesnt have that clutch gene on O yet
It don't matta. He's porkin' Kendall, hey?
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Ewe should cee a urologist, hey?
Ha! I guess I walked into that one.
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It don't matta. He's porkin' Kendall, hey?
who?
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who?
Someone has not been Keeping up with the Kardashians.
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who?
The former Pirates catcher.
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Booker is a very good player. Hes not a star.
Game completely turned when he came back in late in the 4th. Hes not very good defensively(generous) and he doesnt have that clutch gene on O yet
Agreed - he's currently Klay Thompson without the defense. Certainly not a bad player by any stretch, but not gonna carry a team
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Someone has not been Keeping up with the Kardashians.
Didn't know Jason Kendall became a reality tv goon. Or that he was dating an NBA player. What a world we live in.
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bucks going essenitally full capcity for remainder of play off. i am cool with it. theres still an argument against it but imo its getting pretty close to where there isnt anymore.
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Ja Morant's ceiling? The young man has game and is only 21.
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Ja Morant's ceiling? The young man has game and is only 21.
Joey's face knows how high Ja's ceiling is!
Seriously, he has 5-10x All-Star written all over him. When he starts hitting the 3 more consistently and just matures as an all-around player, he will be a top-5 PG (or better). On some nights, he already is.
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Cat's blast ta watch. Hopefully, Nads, he won't pull a Herro, hey?
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Cat's blast ta watch. Hopefully, Nads, he won't pull a Herro, hey?
Morant is already twice the player Herro is, but sure.
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Cat's blast ta watch. Hopefully, Nads, he won't pull a Herro, hey?
So much fun to watch. It feels a lot like watching Iverson.
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So much fun to watch. It feels a lot like watching Iverson.
He has that gear that's for sure. Iverson was so fun to watch. And was maybe 160 lbs. Talk about toughness.
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Trae spit on by a fan last night. Westbrook has popcorn dumped on him by a fan last night. Fans were really stir crazy and letting loose now that covid is over!
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It's a really tough question but at the time of their draft I did think Morant would be a better pro than Zion. Mainly because of the position he plays and the fact that he would constantly have the ball in his hands. But Zion is so explosive and did trim down a bit. Frankly I'm not sure who I take between the two. Does Williamson make his teammates better?
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It's a really tough question but at the time of their draft I did think Morant would be a better pro than Zion. Mainly because of the position he plays and the fact that he would constantly have the ball in his hands. But Zion is so explosive and did trim down a bit. Frankly I'm not sure who I take between the two. Does Williamson make his teammates better?
Given the choice today, I’d definitely take Morant. More important position, and less likely to break down physically.
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Given the choice today, I’d definitely take Morant. More important position, and less likely to break down physically.
Yeah except the Derrick Rose example should give you concern that he is one injury away from being pretty run of the mill. I give Rose a lot of credit for figuring out how to be effective coming back from injury.
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Given the choice today, I’d definitely take Morant. More important position, and less likely to break down physically.
Id agree with you. I think Morant's ceiling is pretty dang high. I'd be shocked if he's not a perennial All Star provided he doesn't get hurt. He's fearless, he knows his game well, and he has a savvy to him already.
The thing with Zion though, that has me very high on him, is beyond just being only 20, he still feels like he's figuring the game out. Like learning how to be a complete player that is not just a physical freak. Which would be normal...if he didn't just average 27/7/4 in his second season. Thats insane. I think a decent comp is Julius Randle, who is another slightly undersized, yet bruising PF. He was a decent but instinctive player relying on athleticism for the first chunk of his career until it clicked recently. Also, Randle went from a terrible outside shooter on a few attempts to shooting 40% on 5 attempts a game this year. If Zion can develop an outside shot like that? Good lord. His health will be a question, especially ankles and knees, but training and maintenance is so good these days, who knows what can be prevented.
Yeah except the Derrick Rose example should give you concern that he is one injury away from being pretty run of the mill. I give Rose a lot of credit for figuring out how to be effective coming back from injury.
There were also a ton of external factors that hurt Rose. Plenty of players tear an ACL and return just fine. Rose's brother, some mental hesitancy, and the fact that he never took care of himself for the majority of his early 20s, diet and training wise, contributed to his fall off as well. He grew and matured a lot after leaving Chicago which has lead to this second act.
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Trae spit on by a fan last night. Westbrook has popcorn dumped on him by a fan last night. Fans were really stir crazy and letting loose now that covid is over!
The Philly fan has had his season tickets revoked and been banned from the arena indefinitely. With any luck, he'll also face a criminal charge.
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The Philly fan has had his season tickets revoked and been banned from the arena indefinitely. With any luck, he'll also face a criminal charge.
I think we need to pass a law that if you go at a pro athlete like this, they are legally free to attack you.
You want to spit/throwstuff at a freak of nature? Best hope you are ready to throw hands, son.
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The Philly fan has had his season tickets revoked and been banned from the arena indefinitely. With any luck, he'll also face a criminal charge.
How do they enforce this? Facial recognition?
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I haven't watched much NBA until the playoffs but Zion's stats are certainly very impressive. I'm wondering though why that team didn't do better? They seem to have talent. Morant looks to me like a kid who can be excellent defensively like a J. Holiday. I'm not really interested in all the stats when comparing these guys, I'm asking myself who is more likely to lead a team to a title or deep in the playoffs?
I think I would probably go with Morant because he seems to have all the intangibles and leadership qualities as well. He clearly makes players better around him.
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How do they enforce this? Facial recognition?
I doubt it. They can probably stop him from buying tickets under his name. Beyond that, I'm sure it's more of a deterrent thing, as in "We can't stop you from coming in, but if we catch you, we'll have you arrested for trespassing."
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Id agree with you. I think Morant's ceiling is pretty dang high. I'd be shocked if he's not a perennial All Star provided he doesn't get hurt. He's fearless, he knows his game well, and he has a savvy to him already.
The thing with Zion though, that has me very high on him, is beyond just being only 20, he still feels like he's figuring the game out. Like learning how to be a complete player that is not just a physical freak. Which would be normal...if he didn't just average 27/7/4 in his second season. Thats insane. I think a decent comp is Julius Randle, who is another slightly undersized, yet bruising PF. He was a decent but instinctive player relying on athleticism for the first chunk of his career until it clicked recently. Also, Randle went from a terrible outside shooter on a few attempts to shooting 40% on 5 attempts a game this year. If Zion can develop an outside shot like that? Good lord. His health will be a question, especially ankles and knees, but training and maintenance is so good these days, who knows what can be prevented.
There were also a ton of external factors that hurt Rose. Plenty of players tear an ACL and return just fine. Rose's brother, some mental hesitancy, and the fact that he never took care of himself for the majority of his early 20s, diet and training wise, contributed to his fall off as well. He grew and matured a lot after leaving Chicago which has lead to this second act.
Wags, I agree with all this.
Morant is special. There's nothing on the court he can't do, and he's only going to improve over time. The injury thing does scare me a bit, but I think part of that is D Rose's injury still feels very recent in my mind... even though it was nearly a decade ago.
Zion is so unique. Nobody in the league can build a head of steam like he can. When his jumper starts falling at a higher clip, the entire side of the court is going to open up for him. These two are electric and will be fun to watch for a long time.
As for Rose, as a Bulls fan I (like so many others) was so disappointed he never became what we all thought/hoped he would. Hometown kid, youngest MVP, perennial playoff clashes with LeBron? YES PLEASE. That said, I think getting out of Chicago was the best thing for him. He had a lot of hangers-on in the city and getting outside his childhood circle has let him mature and secure a pretty nice career. He's never going to be an MVP-caliber player again, but he's still a guy that can get 20+ on any given night.
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Id agree with you. I think Morant's ceiling is pretty dang high. I'd be shocked if he's not a perennial All Star provided he doesn't get hurt. He's fearless, he knows his game well, and he has a savvy to him already.
The thing with Zion though, that has me very high on him, is beyond just being only 20, he still feels like he's figuring the game out. Like learning how to be a complete player that is not just a physical freak. Which would be normal...if he didn't just average 27/7/4 in his second season. Thats insane. I think a decent comp is Julius Randle, who is another slightly undersized, yet bruising PF. He was a decent but instinctive player relying on athleticism for the first chunk of his career until it clicked recently. Also, Randle went from a terrible outside shooter on a few attempts to shooting 40% on 5 attempts a game this year. If Zion can develop an outside shot like that? Good lord. His health will be a question, especially ankles and knees, but training and maintenance is so good these days, who knows what can be prevented.
There were also a ton of external factors that hurt Rose. Plenty of players tear an ACL and return just fine. Rose's brother, some mental hesitancy, and the fact that he never took care of himself for the majority of his early 20s, diet and training wise, contributed to his fall off as well. He grew and matured a lot after leaving Chicago which has lead to this second act.
Agree with all of this.
Sure, Morant could get injured going to the hoop or in other ways. Any athlete can, but yes he plays all-out and takes it to the rim hard. But Wade, Kemba, Iverson, Jordan and others did so as well ... and while each had an injury or two, they weren't ruined by this style of play. They also adjusted as they got older, learned to be great without taking it to the rim all the time.
Zion carries a lot of weight and plays in a way in which he stresses his body a lot. He already has had long stretches on the sideline during his college and pro career, and that's worrisome to me. But I remember similar being said about Barkley, who ended up being a star for years with relatively few injuries. Agree with you that he is an impressive athlete with skill who could become incredible if he develops a perimeter game.
Really, I'd take 'em both!
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The Philly fan has had his season tickets revoked and been banned from the arena indefinitely. With any luck, he'll also face a criminal charge.
I can see that for the dude who spit on Trae Young, but a criminal charge for dumping popcorn? Assault by kernel? Everything done with regards to his ticket and arena privileges makes total sense, but nothing he did could cause actual physical harm. Its less than even throwing a drink or water.
That said, I think getting out of Chicago was the best thing for him. He had a lot of hangers-on in the city and getting outside his childhood circle has let him mature and secure a pretty nice career. He's never going to be an MVP-caliber player again, but he's still a guy that can get 20+ on any given night.
I mean it as no intentional disrespect, but while he seemed like a fairly polite and decent dude, I always got the impression D Rose is not very bright and had a severe lack of self awareness and perception. Which made him ripe for bad influence from many people in Chicago. I think if he had the exact same experience, injury wise, elsewhere and without his overbearing brother, it could have been a totally different story.
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I can see that for the dude who spit on Trae Young, but a criminal charge for dumping popcorn? Assault by kernel? Everything done with regards to his ticket and arena privileges makes total sense, but nothing he did could cause actual physical harm. Its less than even throwing a drink or water.
I disagree. A fan has no right to physically interact with a player. Makes no difference if he is dropping popcorn or an anvil on a players head.
By saying “nothing he did could cause actual physical harm”, you are giving the OK for all kinds of damage. Should a fan be allowed to verbally sexually harass a WNBA player? It’s not causing any physical harm.
Yes, I realize that I am taking this to a step you aren’t and wouldn’t endorse. But the degree of harassment isn’t important.
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I disagree. A fan has no right to physically interact with a player. Makes no difference if he is dropping popcorn or an anvil on a players head.
By saying “nothing he did could cause actual physical harm”, you are giving the OK for all kinds of damage. Should a fan be allowed to verbally sexually harass a WNBA player? It’s not causing any physical harm.
Yes, I realize that I am taking this to a step you aren’t and wouldn’t endorse. But the degree of harassment isn’t important.
So you think criminal charges are warranted?
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Morant is already twice the player Herro is, but sure.
Yeah butt iz he bedder dan yo hommie, Ball, hey?
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Yeah butt iz he bedder dan yo hommie, Ball, hey?
At many things, yes.
For one thing, defense is totally optional for LaMelo right now, whereas Ja seems willing and able to be a defensive disruptor.
Ja is better at putting himself in position to score, quicker and more explosive.
When it comes to court vision and passing ability, LaMelo is gifted and has great imagination, kind of Larry Bird-like. One thing that surprises me is that, so far in their young careers, LaMelo has been the better 3-point shooter.
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So you think criminal charges are warranted?
Under a strict interpretation of the law, they may be.
Would I charge him if I was a local DA? No.
Should he be permanently banned from the arena? Yes, I think he should. I am generally against zero tolerance policies, but ANY physical interaction with a player on the court or field should have consequences.
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I can see that for the dude who spit on Trae Young, but a criminal charge for dumping popcorn? Assault by kernel? Everything done with regards to his ticket and arena privileges makes total sense, but nothing he did could cause actual physical harm. Its less than even throwing a drink or water.
I don't know the statutes in Pennsylvania, but in Illinois, misdemeanor battery is defined as:
"Knowingly without legal justification by any means (1) causes bodily harm to an individual or (2) makes physical contact of an insulting or provoking nature with an individual."
Being showered with popcorn from above absolutely can constitute contact of an insulting or provoking nature, and the statute reads "by any means," so it can be done with an object just as much as a fist or foot. And, there doesn't seem to be any claim that this wasn't done knowlngly.
If not battery, disorderly conduct also applies. That statute reads, in part, that a person is guilty of disorderly conduct through "any act in such unreasonable manner as to alarm or disturb another and to provoke a breach of the peace."
Again, I don't know Pennsylvania law and I'm not going to look it up right now, but I doubt their statutes are vastly different.
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So you think criminal charges are warranted?
100%.
Besides serving as mechanisms to define what's illegal, enact justice and punish offenders, criminal laws exist to serve as a deterrent to unwelcome behavior that is against the public good. Deterrence literally is written into states' criminal codes.
Make an example of this guy.
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Dude, I would have thought you to be more sympathetic to the "America wildly overcriminalizes minor acts, and that leads to a ballooning and out of control carceral state, which contrbutes in no small part to the current moment of civic unrest" and want some dang discretion exercised.
Sometimes people are jackwagons. Sometimes jackwagons can be punished in ways that don't involve running to the dang criminal justice system.
Are you trolling us?
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Dude, I would have thought you to be more sympathetic to the "America wildly overcriminalizes minor acts, and that leads to a ballooning and out of control carceral state, which contrbutes in no small part to the current moment of civic unrest" and want some dang discretion exercised.
Sometimes people are jackwagons. Sometimes jackwagons can be punished in ways that don't involve running to the dang criminal justice system.
Are you trolling us?
I'm going to guess a misdemeanor or ordinance violation charge isn't going to clog up the courts. We're talking about a guy here who has lower level season tickets to an NBA team. This isn't going to trap him in the criminal justice system and overcrowd our jails. He's going to show up in court and pay a fine.
Deterrence matters.
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So you think criminal charges are warranted?
A salt and buttery.
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A salt and buttery.
Awesome. Literally LOL’d
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A salt and buttery.
This is just awesome.
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I don't know the statutes in Pennsylvania, but in Illinois, misdemeanor battery is defined as:
"Knowingly without legal justification by any means (1) causes bodily harm to an individual or (2) makes physical contact of an insulting or provoking nature with an individual."
Being showered with popcorn from above absolutely can constitute contact of an insulting or provoking nature, and the statute reads "by any means," so it can be done with an object just as much as a fist or foot. And, there doesn't seem to be any claim that this wasn't done knowlngly.
If not battery, disorderly conduct also applies. That statute reads, in part, that a person is guilty of disorderly conduct through "any act in such unreasonable manner as to alarm or disturb another and to provoke a breach of the peace."
Again, I don't know Pennsylvania law and I'm not going to look it up right now, but I doubt their statutes are vastly different.
I have no issue with a disorderly conduct citation. “Criminal charges” felt more like assault or battery. Battery feels like a VERY liberal reading of that statute. If someone pursued a battery charge against someone that tossed a cup of water at them in an argument at a restaurant, we’d all deem it absurd. Might as well slap it on the next person who throws a paper airplane that lands near an opposing bench. Insulting and provoking behavior if I say so myself.
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A salt and buttery.
Well done.
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I have no issue with a disorderly conduct citation. “Criminal charges” felt more like assault or battery. Battery feels like a VERY liberal reading of that statute. If someone pursued a battery charge against someone that tossed a cup of water at them in an argument at a restaurant, we’d all deem it absurd. Might as well slap it on the next person who throws a paper airplane that lands near an opposing bench. Insulting and provoking behavior if I say so myself.
If someone walks into a restaurant and tosses a cup of water at an employee that they don’t even know and with whom they had no interaction - then yes they should be charged.
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I always got the impression D Rose is not very bright and had a severe lack of self awareness and perception.
I don’t know about this. He did crush his SATs!
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I don’t know about this. He did crush his SATs!
Well done, sir.
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The Bucks are bludgeoning the Heat. What in the world happened to that Miami team? Was it all smoke and mirrors in the bubble? Bam is not playing like a Bam level player, that's for sure.
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The Bucks are bludgeoning the Heat. What in the world happened to that Miami team? Was it all smoke and mirrors in the bubble? Bam is not playing like a Bam level player, that's for sure.
A combination of the Bubble, and social unrest as a distraction.
They really shouldn't have had an NBA championship last year in my opinion. I don't think those games were remotely the same.
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A combination of the Bubble, and social unrest as a distraction.
They really shouldn't have had an NBA championship last year in my opinion. I don't think those games were remotely the same.
Agreed.
Asterisk season.
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Yeah butt, da Bucks are Giannis, Jrue, and a bunch of smoes, hey?
Smoe 22, The Great Tyler Herro 9
Smoe 3, TGTH 0
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I think the Bucks can beat Brooklyn. Although no one seems to think they have a chance.
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A combination of the Bubble, and social unrest as a distraction.
They really shouldn't have had an NBA championship last year in my opinion. I don't think those games were remotely the same.
Didn’t all the playoff teams play in the same bubble? Or did the Lakers and Heat benefit from some kind of Super Premium Double Platinum Bubble?
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Didn’t all the playoff teams play in the same bubble? Or did the Lakers and Heat benefit from some kind of Super Premium Double Platinum Bubble?
Some teams clearly had no desire to be there.
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The Bucks are bludgeoning the Heat. What in the world happened to that Miami team? Was it all smoke and mirrors in the bubble? Bam is not playing like a Bam level player, that's for sure.
Losing Jae hurt the Heat
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Losing Jae hurt the Heat
Actually, you are right. At least on the defensive end. The Bucks changed their offense from the series last year. The Heat have no one - Robinson, Nunn, Herro, etc. who can handle Holiday and Middleton. Giannis is setting more picks and letting those two do whatever they want.
I expected a game 2 blowout. This one surprised me. I thought the heat had more heart.
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Some teams clearly had no desire to be there.
If true, that’s on them. It doesn’t diminish what the teams that wanted to be there accomplished.
Hell, it looked like the Heat didn’t want to be in Miami tonight.
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Didn’t all the playoff teams play in the same bubble? Or did the Lakers and Heat benefit from some kind of Super Premium Double Platinum Bubble?
The Lakers won the championship
Lebron is on the Lakers
Therefore the championship doesn't count
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The Bucks are bludgeoning the Heat. What in the world happened to that Miami team? Was it all smoke and mirrors in the bubble? Bam is not playing like a Bam level player, that's for sure.
Couple thoughts.
First, the Bam max extension is going to go down as a very poor decision by the Heat. I just don't see how you can give that kind of money to a guy who is that limited offensively.
Second, I think being in the bubble actually helped Tyler Herro because it limited the distractions that we hear have been a problem for him previously. He hasn't look great all year, but has absolutely looked run of the mill in this series.
Third, we will see how they do against the Nets, but I really love how Bud has worked their rotations in this series. And while Giannis is their best player, there have been times were both him and Middleton have been on the bench and the game just works around Jrue. Such an upgrade over Bledsoe.
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Couple thoughts.
First, the Bam max extension is going to go down as a very poor decision by the Heat. I just don't see how you can give that kind of money to a guy who is that limited offensively.
Second, I think being in the bubble actually helped Tyler Herro because it limited the distractions that we hear have been a problem for him previously. He hasn't look great all year, but has absolutely looked run of the mill in this series.
Third, we will see how they do against the Nets, but I really love how Bud has worked their rotations in this series. And while Giannis is their best player, there have been times were both him and Middleton have been on the bench and the game just works around Jrue. Such an upgrade over Bledsoe.
Yup on this series. Bud has actually coached circles around Spoe. PJ Tucker has brought a lot more to the Bucks than I thought he would. Having him and Giannis chasing around Nunn, Robinson, and Herro for much of their time on the court has completely taken those three out of the series (outside of game 1 for Duncan, when Middleton was on him a lot). Those three were so comfortable last year. That's a huge difference maker this year. Then having Jrue absolutely hounding Dragic the entire court has really frustrated Dragic. He was very comfortable last year as well. And having Giannis guard Jimmy much of the series when he didn't guard Jimmy at all last year has made Jimmy basically disappear.
The versatility defensively is huge this year. And Bud has done a great job in scheming things I never saw coming, particularly the two forwards (PJ/Giannis) chasing around their guards a good amount of time.
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Some teams clearly had no desire to be there.
Which ones?
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The Lakers won the championship
Lebron is on the Lakers
Therefore the championship doesn't count
Yeah, the Hate All Things LeBron Team, captained by forgetful, is fun (albeit predictable).
LeBron scores 40? "He doesn't make his teammates better."
LeBron gets 20 assists? "He couldn't score."
LeBron hits winning 3 over Steph? "So effen lucky ... and Caldwell-Pope traveled!"
LeBron wins 2020 NBA title? "In bubble. Doesn't count."
LeBron wins 4 NBA titles? "He did it with superteams."
LeBron still a stud in his 18th NBA season? "18 years of flopping and fake-reading!"
Fun!
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Yeah, the Hate All Things LeBron Team, captained by forgetful, is fun (albeit predictable).
LeBron scores 40? "He doesn't make his teammates better."
LeBron gets 20 assists? "He couldn't score."
LeBron hits winning 3 over Steph? "So effen lucky ... and Caldwell-Pope traveled!"
LeBron wins 2020 NBA title? "In bubble. Doesn't count."
LeBron wins 4 NBA titles? "He did it with superteams."
LeBron still a stud in his 18th NBA season? "18 years of flopping and fake-reading!"
Fun!
Don't blame people for hating the guy,. He's responsible for 95% of it. And yes, people that fake read for a photo-op should be mocked relentlessly and mercilessly. And it is quite enjoyable to mock "The King" to tell you the truth. I mean who does this guy think he is? Or is this fake book reading some surrealist wizardry a la Magritte's "This is not a pipe"? Will LeGritte come out to a presser with War and Peace and a sign that reads: "This is not a book"?
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Don't blame people for hating the guy,. He's responsible for 95% of it. And yes, people that fake read for a photo-op should be mocked relentlessly and mercilessly. And it is quite enjoyable to mock "The King" to tell you the truth. I mean who does this guy think he is? Or is this fake book reading some surrealist wizardry a la Magritte's "This is not a pipe"? Will LeGritte come out to a presser with War and Peace and a sign that reads: "This is not a book"?
I don't care if you hate the guy or are (REALLY) obsessed with his reading habits, but I grow weary of people diminishing his accomplishments on the basketball court.
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I don't care if you hate the guy or are (REALLY) obsessed with his reading habits, but I grow weary of people diminishing his accomplishments on the basketball court.
That's fair. His basketball accomplishments should not be diminished. As for his fake reading it's certainly not the worst thing he's done off the court but it's easy to mock and shouldn't be glossed over. It's indicative of far greater problems this man has, mainly that he's a pathological liar.
If you remember Coach K got caught red-handed when he completely fabricated a story about Dillon Brooks. He felt he had to apologize in this case because a person was involved with his deceit and absurd statements. LeBron has close.to 50 m Twitter followers. When he says or writes asinine things, or fake reads to project a certain narrative, it's offensive frankly.
I can be a little obsessive but I believe fake reading is a symptom of a deeply troubled human being. In fact Lebron should thank the many basketball fans who have pointed this out and seek a medical professional. Fake Readers are textbook pathological liars FBM. This is a guy who probably has no idea where his lies begin and end so perhaps I should be more sympathetic.
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I care very little about what any athlete does off the field of play unless it is either really, really bad or really, really good. They are just people doing a job for a lot of money.
So yeah, I can gloss over what he does off the court, and not find it offensive in the least, because I legitimately don't care. I have other things in my life to obsess about. What some basketball player does while not playing isn't going to be one of them.
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Don't blame people for hating the guy,. He's responsible for 95% of it. And yes, people that fake read for a photo-op should be mocked relentlessly and mercilessly. And it is quite enjoyable to mock "The King" to tell you the truth. I mean who does this guy think he is? Or is this fake book reading some surrealist wizardry a la Magritte's "This is not a pipe"? Will LeGritte come out to a presser with War and Peace and a sign that reads: "This is not a book"?
OCD or crazy? Tough decision.
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If you remember Coach K got caught red-handed when he completely fabricated a story about Dillon Brooks. He felt he had to apologize in this case because a person was involved with his deceit and absurd statements. LeBron has close.to 50 m Twitter followers. When he says or writes asinine things, or fake reads to project a certain narrative, it's offensive frankly.
An NBA player fake reading truly is the great challenge of our times. But like the Greatest Generation, we too shall rise to the occasion.
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DiVicenzio out for the rest of the playoffs.
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Yeah, the Hate All Things LeBron Team, captained by forgetful, is fun (albeit predictable).
LeBron wins 4 NBA titles? "He did it with superteams."
This is a legit criticism.
Heat titles - assembled a team with three top 5 picks who will all be HOF players
Cavs title - Irving (#1 pick), Love (perennial all-star before post-Lebron injuries, #5 pick)
Lakers title - added Davis (top 10 player in the NBA, #1 pick)
I'm no Bulls fan, I still refuse to wear anything Jordan Brand, but the only "superstar" the Bulls brought in as a FA during Jordan's era was Rodman, and he had played his way out of Detroit and San Antonio so it wasn't like they were outbidding anyone.
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This is a legit criticism.
Heat titles - assembled a team with three top 5 picks who will all be HOF players
Cavs title - Irving (#1 pick), Love (perennial all-star before post-Lebron injuries, #5 pick)
Lakers title - added Davis (top 10 player in the NBA, #1 pick)
I'm no Bulls fan, I still refuse to wear anything Jordan Brand, but the only "superstar" the Bulls brought in as a FA during Jordan's era was Rodman, and he had played his way out of Detroit and San Antonio so it wasn't like they were outbidding anyone.
So the 60s Celtics, 80s Lakers, 80s Celtics, Shaq/Wade Heat, late-aughts Celtics, etc etc etc squads weren't "superteams"?
Or were those OK because they were mostly put together by GMs and not by players?
Do you have the same gag reflex at the mention of the Steph-KD Warriors?
The entire 1972-73 Knicks starting lineup is in the Hall of Fame. DeBusschere and Monroe were acquired in two of the biggest trades of that era to join a powerhouse that already included Frazier, Bradley and Reed. Superteam! Title shouldn't count!
What a silly criticism of LeBron or Steph or Garnett or Wade or any of today's modern players.
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This is a legit criticism.
No, it's not. It's a very dumb criticism that displays ignorance of the NBA.
Nobody wins an NBA title without multiple superstars on the roster. The lone exception of the past 40 years might be the 2004 Pistons, but even they had an MVP finalist (Billups) and all-star game starter/best defensive player in the league at the time (Wallace).
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So the 60s Celtics, 80s Lakers, 80s Celtics, Shaq/Wade Heat, late-aughts Celtics, etc etc etc squads weren't "superteams"?
Or were those OK because they were mostly put together by GMs and not by players?
Do you have the same gag reflex at the mention of the Steph-KD Warriors?
The entire 1972-73 Knicks starting lineup is in the Hall of Fame. DeBusschere and Monroe were acquired in two of the biggest trades of that era to join a powerhouse that already included Frazier, Bradley and Reed. Superteam! Title shouldn't count!
What a silly criticism of LeBron or Steph or Garnett or Wade or any of today's modern players.
I look at how they were created. LeBron only went to those teams if he had superstars go with him.
I do think KD took the coward's way out. He choked in 2016 in OKC so he went to a team where he didn't have to be the alpha dog and would win a title. The same for the Nets if they win the title.
I didn't say the titles didn't count, you did. But, I discount LeBron's titles based upon how he chose teams where he could win a title.
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I look at how they were created. LeBron only went to those teams if he had superstars go with him.
I do think KD took the coward's way out. He choked in 2016 in OKC so he went to a team where he didn't have to be the alpha dog and would win a title. The same for the Nets if they win the title.
I didn't say the titles didn't count, you did. But, I discount LeBron's titles based upon how he chose teams where he could win a title.
My $.02, I am glad LeBron took his talents to South Beach, as it helped Wade get a couple more titles. I dont think he went back to Cleveland because that was the best place for him to win. I think he went back because that was home. So, 3 legit titles, one Bubble championship.
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My $.02, I am glad LeBron took his talents to South Beach, as it helped Wade get a couple more titles. I don’t think he went back to Cleveland because that was the best place for him to win. I think he went back because that was home. So, 3 legit titles, one Bubble championship.
No, that was the brilliant and lucrative marketing narrative. He went back cause they had a ROY and 2 time All Star in his first 3 seasons as well as the 1st pick they could move for another star. If the Cavs had Derrick Williams instead of Irving and no coveted #1 pick (which Wiggins very much was) he’s not “coming home”.
I don’t blame him for making sure it was a great situation but pretending it was altruistic longing for home isn’t true.
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I get it. I detest everything about Jordan and the Bulls to this day. Same thing with Tiger. The difference is that I don't try to deny their greatness simply because I loathed them.
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I look at how they were created. LeBron only went to those teams if he had superstars go with him.
So we're going to hold it against LeBron that Cavs management couldn't build a championship roster around him, as did the Bulls around Jordan, Celtics around Bird, Lakers around Magic, etc.?
That seems, well, unfair.
And, just FWIW, Anthony Davis didn't "go with" LeBron to the Lakers, he was traded there the following year.
nd Love and Kyrie didn't "go with" LeBron to the Cavs. Kyrie already was there and the Cavs traded for Love six weeks after LeBron signed. But now we're also supposed to fault LeBron because the team tried to build a winning roster around him?
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DiVicenzio out for the rest of the playoffs.
Never thought I say this, but that's a big blow, hey?
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Never thought I say this, but that's a big blow, hey?
Yep. Need all the defensive versatility on the perimeter next round, and this hurts big time.
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So we're going to hold it against LeBron that Cavs management couldn't build a championship roster around him, as did the Bulls around Jordan, Celtics around Bird, Lakers around Magic, etc.?
That seems, well, unfair.
And, just FWIW, Anthony Davis didn't "go with" LeBron to the Lakers, he was traded there the following year.
nd Love and Kyrie didn't "go with" LeBron to the Cavs. Kyrie already was there and the Cavs traded for Love six weeks after LeBron signed. But now we're also supposed to fault LeBron because the team tried to build a winning roster around him?
Again this is not intended to crap on Lebron, though Ive done plenty of that in the past, but you are MASSIVELY underselling Lebron's profound need for, and subsequent, level of input/control on front office dealings. "GM Lebron" has been an ongoing joke since he went back to Cleveland and who is brought in. There is no way he was going to Cleveland without insisting and discussing with the front office that they were moving for stars. Same with AD, the narrative even when he signed was it was a throwaway year before they moved for someone (likely AD given his blatant tampering proof agent situation) the year after, hence why Lebron didnt do much to integrate himself into that young team and sidelined himself as soon as an injury popped up.
By that token, the Big 3 was nothing to do with Lebron, it was just the Heat front office making moves.
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Yeah, the Hate All Things LeBron Team, captained by forgetful, is fun (albeit predictable).
LeBron scores 40? "He doesn't make his teammates better."
LeBron gets 20 assists? "He couldn't score."
LeBron hits winning 3 over Steph? "So effen lucky ... and Caldwell-Pope traveled!"
LeBron wins 2020 NBA title? "In bubble. Doesn't count."
LeBron wins 4 NBA titles? "He did it with superteams."
LeBron still a stud in his 18th NBA season? "18 years of flopping and fake-reading!"
Fun!
While it is true that I really dislike Lebron, and deserve some ribbing for it. I would like to point out that I really do not enter many of the Lebron discussions anymore (although I'm willing to make an effort to craft up some new, and even more outlandish claims and attacks on him for entertainment purposes if desired).
My opinion on them not having the playoffs last year are not related to Lebron, and I didn't say or mean that it shouldn't be counted. Rather was just pointing out that I don't think the Bucks were mentally dialed in to the games last year.
A side point. The only team I dislike as much as I dislike Lebron is the Lakers. So there is a double whammy in those regards now.
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Yup on this series. Bud has actually coached circles around Spoe. PJ Tucker has brought a lot more to the Bucks than I thought he would. Having him and Giannis chasing around Nunn, Robinson, and Herro for much of their time on the court has completely taken those three out of the series (outside of game 1 for Duncan, when Middleton was on him a lot). Those three were so comfortable last year. That's a huge difference maker this year. Then having Jrue absolutely hounding Dragic the entire court has really frustrated Dragic. He was very comfortable last year as well. And having Giannis guard Jimmy much of the series when he didn't guard Jimmy at all last year has made Jimmy basically disappear.
The versatility defensively is huge this year. And Bud has done a great job in scheming things I never saw coming, particularly the two forwards (PJ/Giannis) chasing around their guards a good amount of time.
I imagine it wont be just one, but thoughts on who Jrue should line up against Brooklyn? He has dominated Kyrie in the regular season, but maybe put him on Harden, make Kyrie play hero ball??? Then do your best w/ Giannis, PJ Tucker, and Middleton on Durant.
With DD out now, who was serviceable to good as defensive player, throws a bit of a wrench in it. Hope for MKE to sweep and somehow Boston to win a game to get rest, because the JH, Giannis, and KM are gonna play A LOT of minutes.
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I look at how they were created. LeBron only went to those teams if he had superstars go with him.
I do think KD took the coward's way out. He choked in 2016 in OKC so he went to a team where he didn't have to be the alpha dog and would win a title. The same for the Nets if they win the title.
I didn't say the titles didn't count, you did. But, I discount LeBron's titles based upon how he chose teams where he could win a title.
Well, that’s just silly IMHO.
Over the years, Auerbach surrounded Russell with a dozen Hall of Famers, maybe more, but those titles were more legit? Okey dokey. If Russell really were any good he’d have won 10 titles with the Cincinnati Royals, right?
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just pointing out that I don't think the Bucks were mentally dialed in to the games last year.
If true, shame on the Bucks.
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Well, that’s just silly IMHO.
Over the years, Auerbach surrounded Russell with a dozen Hall of Famers, maybe more, but those titles were more legit? Okey dokey. If Russell really were any good he’d have won 10 titles with the Cincinnati Royals, right?
I look at a team like the Spurs - their big four were all draft picks: Duncan, Manu, Parker, Kawai. Duncan didn't have to join a super team to win a title. The Bad Boys teams were led by draft picks (Isaiah, Dumars, Rodman, Salley) and role players acquired via trade (Laimbeer, Aguirre, Mahorn, Edwards, Johnson, ). Isaiah didn't bolt to go play with superstars after he couldn't get past the Celts then the Lakers like KD did with the Thunder. Now, if LeBron had been able to win with his first Cleveland team...
Even the Lakers teams of the 80's and Bulls teams of the 90's were built mainly from their own draft picks and trades for role players and didn't have established all-stars join them via free agency to get them over the hump.
LeBron needed to be on super teams created upon his arrival to win titles.
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2004 Pistons traded for or signed Big Ben, Chauncey, and Rasheed. They had the ultimate vagabond coach in Larry Brown. I see no difference with LeBron.
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Could someone explain to me why Kawhi Leonard or Paul George isn't checking Doncic? Whatever happened to getting around a screen?
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Would you take Doncic or Jokic? I assume most would automatically say Luka but I'm nor so sure.
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Would you take Doncic or Jokic? I assume most would automatically say Luka but I'm nor so sure.
Jokic is an absolute baller, and will be for the next 6-8 years, but Luka is 4 years younger, and won’t hit his peak until 3-4 years from now. Luka all the way
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I look at a team like the Spurs - their big four were all draft picks: Duncan, Manu, Parker, Kawai. Duncan didn't have to join a super team to win a title. The Bad Boys teams were led by draft picks (Isaiah, Dumars, Rodman, Salley) and role players acquired via trade (Laimbeer, Aguirre, Mahorn, Edwards, Johnson, ). Isaiah didn't bolt to go play with superstars after he couldn't get past the Celts then the Lakers like KD did with the Thunder. Now, if LeBron had been able to win with his first Cleveland team...
Even the Lakers teams of the 80's and Bulls teams of the 90's were built mainly from their own draft picks and trades for role players and didn't have established all-stars join them via free agency to get them over the hump.
LeBron needed to be on super teams created upon his arrival to win titles.
So what you’re saying is that because Cleveland management was more inept than the management of all those teams you named, LeBron should have been content to never win titles rather than proactively work within the rules to help build teams that had legitimate shots at titles.
Cool. Duncan somehow won titles more “legitimately” because he had Popovich build a team around him. That doesn’t sound ridiculous at all.
It was fine that Ainge built a super team in Boston but not that Riley did in Miami. Fantastic take, Billy.
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I look at a team like the Spurs - their big four were all draft picks: Duncan, Manu, Parker, Kawai. Duncan didn't have to join a super team to win a title. The Bad Boys teams were led by draft picks (Isaiah, Dumars, Rodman, Salley) and role players acquired via trade (Laimbeer, Aguirre, Mahorn, Edwards, Johnson, ). Isaiah didn't bolt to go play with superstars after he couldn't get past the Celts then the Lakers like KD did with the Thunder. Now, if LeBron had been able to win with his first Cleveland team...
Even the Lakers teams of the 80's and Bulls teams of the 90's were built mainly from their own draft picks and trades for role players and didn't have established all-stars join them via free agency to get them over the hump.
LeBron needed to be on super teams created upon his arrival to win titles.
Who cares? Titles are titles.
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Would you take Doncic or Jokic? I assume most would automatically say Luka but I'm nor so sure.
Uhh Luka, hands down. No debate.
Not a knock on Jokic though.
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I thought it was funny that LBJ chose to take less than the max and convince Bosh to join him in Miami with Wade by convincing both of those guys to take less than max money so they could all fit on one team, but then he complained about having never signed a max contract and talks about how underpaid he was while he was with the Heat.
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I imagine it wont be just one, but thoughts on who Jrue should line up against Brooklyn? He has dominated Kyrie in the regular season, but maybe put him on Harden, make Kyrie play hero ball??? Then do your best w/ Giannis, PJ Tucker, and Middleton on Durant.
With DD out now, who was serviceable to good as defensive player, throws a bit of a wrench in it. Hope for MKE to sweep and somehow Boston to win a game to get rest, because the JH, Giannis, and KM are gonna play A LOT of minutes.
Yeah that's the major issue with losing Donte. He does a good job of fighting over screens and chasing perimeter shooters around the court. The good thing is Middleton has had some experience chasing Duncan around against the Heat this series, so I think he could match up with Joe Harris. I almost would like to see PJ Tucker put on Harden, Giannis on KD, and Jrue just taking Kyrie out of the series. But this certainly makes it tougher.
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I thought it was funny that LBJ chose to take less than the max and convince Bosh to join him in Miami with Wade by convincing both of those guys to take less than max money so they could all fit on one team, but then he complained about having never signed a max contract and talks about how underpaid he was while he was with the Heat.
I thought it was funny that LBJ won the first and second of his 4 titles, helped Wade to his second and third titles, and made it possible for Bosh to win two titles he otherwise never would have won.
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I thought it was funny that LBJ won the first and second of his 4 titles, helped Wade to his second and third titles, and made it possible for Bosh to win two titles he otherwise never would have won.
Well, Bosh would’ve had one more if LBJ wasn’t in the fetal position in a corner against Dallas the first year he took a pay cut to play with 2 other top 5 players in the NBA (while mockingly coughing at Dirk as Dirk was lighting them up…at least Wade, the proven champion LBJ needed to jump to, backed the trash talk up with his play).
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Shoutout to the Cs for getting at least one.
If that’s the defense Bklyn has planned for MKE, sheesh…Bucks just should just pick n roll w/ GA and Middleton to death, and if/when that doesn’t work, throw Giannis at the 5, allow Holiday to create off the dribble.
Bucks should average 125+
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Well, Bosh would’ve had one more if LBJ wasn’t in the fetal position in a corner against Dallas the first year he took a pay cut to play with 2 other top 5 players in the NBA (while mockingly coughing at Dirk as Dirk was lighting them up…at least Wade, the proven champion LBJ needed to jump to, backed the trash talk up with his play).
Would you say that was the worst performance by a player of Lebron's caliber in the Finals ever? You're exactly right, he didn't show up. I have a hard time believing any other player that is considered top 10 of all time would play that poorly. And keep in mind Nowitzki didn't exactly have great players around him.
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Well, Bosh would’ve had one more if LBJ wasn’t in the fetal position in a corner against Dallas the first year he took a pay cut to play with 2 other top 5 players in the NBA (while mockingly coughing at Dirk as Dirk was lighting them up…at least Wade, the proven champion LBJ needed to jump to, backed the trash talk up with his play).
You're right, wades. LeBron is a coward who has never won and never will.
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Would you say that was the worst performance by a player of Lebron's caliber in the Finals ever? You're exactly right, he didn't show up. I have a hard time believing any other player that is considered top 10 of all time would play that poorly. And keep in mind Nowitzki didn't exactly have great players around him.
Well, given that nobody except Jordan is "a player of LeBron's caliber," no.
But Kobe had several poor games. For example, G1 vs 76ers in 2001 Finals, 7-22 shooting, 15 pts, 6 TOs in a loss to Phil. He also had 3 terrible games against Sacramento in the 2002 conference finals as LA fell behind 3 games to 2.
When you play in as many huge games as Kobe and LeBron did/have in their careers, you'll have some stinkers.
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Well, given that nobody except Jordan is "a player of LeBron's caliber," no.
But Kobe had several poor games. For example, G1 vs 76ers in 2001 Finals, 7-22 shooting, 15 pts, 6 TOs in a loss to Phil. He also had 3 terrible games against Sacramento in the 2002 conference finals as LA fell behind 3 games to 2.
When you play in as many huge games as Kobe and LeBron did/have in their careers, you'll have some stinkers.
That's true. Kobe was a dumpster fire for a number of games. However, I don't have him in my top 10 of all-time.
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You're right, wades. LeBron is a coward who has never won and never will.
Not at all what was said. But okay.
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The Bucks look abysmal early in this game. Hopefully they get it together. I still think Giannis' issues in the half-court offense is a concern moving forward. He has no confidence in a simple jump shot.
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That's true. Kobe was a dumpster fire for a number of games. However, I don't have him in my top 10 of all-time.
Again, there are few (if not only one) players "of LeBron's caliber" ... but feel free to look up some of Larry Bird's playoff performances, including some in the Finals: https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/birdla01/gamelog-playoffs/
Lots of clunkers. It happens. They are human.
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Go Bucks
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Smoes 4, Spoes 0
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Smoes 4, Spoes 0
Forbes 60, Butler 58
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Forbes 60, Butler 58
Talk of the bench upgrades not being significant didnt age well. Forbes was unreal, Portis was very solid, and Tucker played fantastic defense
Also, a lot of gleeful mocking of Butler on Twitter, which is dumb. He struggled offensively and the Bucks defensive schemes on him were really good, but dude still averaged 15/8/7 with no foul trouble and few TOs all series. Outside of Bam, nobody else on the Heat showed up. Ariza was terrible, Dragic was bad after Game 1, Herro was bad, Robinson was bad. He could have went for 25/8/8 if his shooting efficiency was up and it still wouldn’t have mattered.
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Talk of the bench upgrades not being significant didnt age well. Forbes was unreal, Portis was very solid, and Tucker played fantastic defense
Also, a lot of gleeful mocking of Butler on Twitter, which is dumb. He struggled offensively and the Bucks defensive schemes on him were really good, but dude still averaged 15/8/7 with no foul trouble and few TOs all series. Outside of Bam, nobody else on the Heat showed up. Ariza was terrible, Dragic was bad after Game 1, Herro was bad, Robinson was bad. He could have went for 25/8/8 if his shooting efficiency was up and it still wouldn’t have mattered.
Bam showed up this series for the Heat?
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Bam showed up this series for the Heat?
He wasn’t great either, but at least he was close to his season averages for the series. He wasn’t a complete zero like some
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He wasn’t great either, but at least he was close to his season averages for the series. He wasn’t a complete zero like some
He looked absolutely pedestrian.
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what's weird is watching doncic hit step back, fade away 35 footers with a hand in his face, but struggle at the free throw line. yes, i realize it's not uncommon, but just took particular notice last night. he sure ain't shy though
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Bam showed up this series for the Heat?
bam, Butler, and Dragic were awful.
But the Bucks were gonna win this series. They are a much better team coming together at the perfect time. Many thought all year that they would be playing their best ball at this time of year.
Giannis, Kris, Brooks, Dante, and Connaughton. That's it from last year - everyone else was new to the team and the system. The defense slowly got better and better as the season came to a close.
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Forbes 60, Butler 58
Agree with Wags that Jimmy at least showed up ... but you're right, baumu, that is an amazing "score" between a guy some have never heard of and an All-Star.
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Jimmy had the least impressive playoff triple double I can remember
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Agree with Wags that Jimmy at least showed up ... but you're right, baumu, that is an amazing "score" between a guy some have never heard of and an All-Star.
So did the fans. :-\ Jimmy had as much effect on winning as they did.
Jimmy is my least fave MU player in the NBA. Yeah, he's a top 20-ish guy in the league, but he just isn't a fun guy to watch - at least for me.
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Jimmy is my least fave MU player in the NBA. Yeah, he's a top 20-ish guy in the league, but he just isn't a fun guy to watch - at least for me.
Why? You didn't have fun watching him dominate in the playoffs last season with a great all-around game? Not criticizing you, just wondering why.
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Why? You didn't have fun watching him dominate in the playoffs last season with a great all-around game? Not criticizing you, just wondering why.
Plays incredibly hard, plays great defense, true leader and motivator, talks trash but backs it up. Agreed, kind of odd. His development as a pro is one of my all time favorite Marquette NBA stories to watch
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Why? You didn't have fun watching him dominate in the playoffs last season with a great all-around game? Not criticizing you, just wondering why.
Probably his attitude. He wants to be top dog. The problem is that he isn’t good enough to be a #1 guy - lots of guys in the 10-20 range who are really good players but who will never win a title unless they wanna be a #2. He coulda won in Philly if he let himself be the 2nd or 3rd guy. But he wanted to be the Alpha.
I expect he will chase a title in his mid-30s by taking a lesser role.
Other than Jimmy, I root for all MU guys.
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Probably his attitude. He wants to be top dog. The problem is that he isn’t good enough to be a #1 guy - lots of guys in the 10-20 range who are really good players but who will never win a title unless they wanna be a #2. He coulda won in Philly if he let himself be the 2nd or 3rd guy. But he wanted to be the Alpha.
I expect he will chase a title in his mid-30s by taking a lesser role.
Other than Jimmy, I root for all MU guys.
We disagree on much of this, but thanks for answering.
Loved having Jimmy at Marquette, appreciate what he turned himself into as a pro, and root for him all the time.
Diff'rent strokes, and all that.
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We disagree on much of this, but thanks for answering.
Loved having Jimmy at Marquette, appreciate what he turned himself into as a pro, and root for him all the time.
Diff'rent strokes, and all that.
I, as well, was a huge fan of Jimmy at MU. Also for his first few years in the NBA.
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Probably his attitude. He wants to be top dog. The problem is that he isn’t good enough to be a #1 guy - lots of guys in the 10-20 range who are really good players but who will never win a title unless they wanna be a #2. He coulda won in Philly if he let himself be the 2nd or 3rd guy. But he wanted to be the Alpha.
I expect he will chase a title in his mid-30s by taking a lesser role.
Other than Jimmy, I root for all MU guys.
Jimmy has absolutely no issue with defering. Guy is a bit psycho and hard headed no doubt, but he has never been a guy that needs to be the go to guy.
His issues in Minny and Philly were players/coaches that didnt rise to his level of work. Jimmy definitely has to share some of that blame not being able to adapt to them the same way they couldnt adapt to his level.
But one of the main reasons why many people think Kawhi ends up in Miami and its a perfect fit is that because of the players Jimmy and Kawhi are.
Kawhi is not interested in being a vocal leader/top dog. But Jimmy will take that role. And on the flip side, Kawhi can be the top dog as a player.
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His issues in Minny and Philly were players/coaches that didnt rise to his level of work. Jimmy definitely has to share some of that blame not being able to adapt to them the same way they couldnt adapt to his level.
So, you think Embiid and Simmons don't want to try hard?
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So, you think Embiid and Simmons don't want to try hard?
Embiid and JImmy didnt have issues, at all.
Simmons?? Yeah, the guy is kinda known for being lazy and showing zero interest in developing any sort of shot(which would make him unstoppable).
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Simmons?? Yeah, the guy is kinda known for being lazy and showing zero interest in developing any sort of shot(which would make him unstoppable).
Simmons is basically the same player as when he came in the league. He’s a freak athlete and very talented, but his game has almost plateau’d statistically. He’s a good defender cause of his length, but he’s not a an absolute lockdown defender like he could be. Hell, he could work with the absolute best and still he uses his nobody brother as a shooting coach, for the most lacking skill in his game. He’s had attitude question marks since his draft evals.
Contrast that with Butler who has been on an upward trajectory as a player since getting into the league and is known as a relentless worker
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I just saw that Phoenix won today. How serious is Davis' injury? Jae had a nice game statistically.
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Jimmy was 100% right about KAT and that cast of clowns in Minnesota.
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Jimmy was 100% right about KAT and that cast of clowns in Minnesota.
Jimmy was also right in MN about Thibs not taking his long-term health seriously with the number of minutes Jimmy was getting played every night. Imagine watching the team max Wiggins?
Jimmy was right about Brett Brown not having a gameplan in Philly. The amount of time that Jimmy's role in the offense was standing in the corner was absolutely wild.
Jimmy found a great home in Miami. He's a gritty guy that plays somewhat ugly basketball that's still based on initiating a ton of contact. The Heat couldn't get anyone going the entire series, so credit to Milwaukee for crushing their spirit.
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I just saw that Phoenix won today. How serious is Davis' injury? Jae had a nice game statistically.
They said AD is day to day with the groin, no guarantee he plays game 5...aka he’ll be fine
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They said AD is day to day with the groin, no guarantee he plays game 5...aka he’ll be fine
Ty.
Apparently some dumbass fan in Boston threw a water bottle at Kyrie. Smh.
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Jimmy was also right in MN about Thibs not taking his long-term health seriously with the number of minutes Jimmy was getting played every night. Imagine watching the team max Wiggins?
Jimmy was right about Brett Brown not having a gameplan in Philly. The amount of time that Jimmy's role in the offense was standing in the corner was absolutely wild.
Jimmy found a great home in Miami. He's a gritty guy that plays somewhat ugly basketball that's still based on initiating a ton of contact. The Heat couldn't get anyone going the entire series, so credit to Milwaukee for crushing their spirit.
So Jimmy is right all the time, plays harder than everyone, and he’s smarter than the coaches?
Thank you all for making me know I am right. Jimmy will never win a title being the alpha. He ain’t good enough.
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I see it is still open season on NBA players. Westbrook, Morant’s parents, and now Kyrie. For some reason, I can’t quite put my finger on, certain people have become targets.
I’ll go back to something I’ve said before (and I’ll take the flack for it). Any player who is physically attacked should be able to defend himself. This is only going to get worse.
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I see it is still open season on NBA players. Westbrook, Morant’s parents, and now Kyrie. For some reason, I can’t quite put my finger on, certain people have become targets.
I’ll go back to something I’ve said before (and I’ll take the flack for it). Any player who is physically attacked should be able to defend himself. This is only going to get worse.
Well think about how dumb you have to be, especially in this day an age, to so some of this garbage? There are cameras everywhere.
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So Jimmy is right all the time, plays harder than everyone, and he’s smarter than the coaches?
Thank you all for making me know I am right. Jimmy will never win a title being the alpha. He ain’t good enough.
Who said he was smarter? Thibs runs players into the ground. That’s part of his style. Jimmy knew that wasn’t going be conducive to his long term career. And given the TWolves are headed for yet another top 5 pick and Thibs got canned, he read the situation right there.
And Brett Brown’s offense that Jimmy didn’t like got him fired.
You have no backing for any of your emotional dislikes of him. Your main gripe is he thinks he’s really good. He basically willed a team to a finals and took a team that was much better than the Heat to 6 games, with him as the unquestioned leader. But it’s fine, we’re all just silly with our facts and evidence being totally wrong, just proving your gut right.
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So Jimmy is right all the time, plays harder than everyone, and he’s smarter than the coaches?
Thank you all for making me know I am right. Jimmy will never win a title being the alpha. He ain’t good enough.
I think this all would have been better if you would have started your JImmy hate with "I am also extremely irrational".
You are free to dislike any player you want, MU related or not. But man, try to at least be intelligent about it.
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So Jimmy is right all the time, plays harder than everyone, and he’s smarter than the coaches?
Thank you all for making me know I am right. Jimmy will never win a title being the alpha. He ain’t good enough.
Your criticisms were his attitude and that he wants to be the alpha. There is no evidence that he wants to be the alpha and therefore can't play with other top players so lets just dismiss that one. And his "attitude" was often well justified when looked at in context and in retrospect.
Not to mention that as the alpha, he took them to within two games of the championship against a team with LBJ and AD as its cornerstones.
I actually expect pretty major changes in Miami this year that would team up Jimmy with another top player. Khawhi maybe?
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The Bucks/Nets series should be a lot of fun. But now that I've watched a bit I just don't see Milwaukee beating them. I hope I'm wrong but when you have three guys that can create their own shot and score 30 a game, plus a dead-eye spot shooter along side, it's an enormous advantage. The Bucks are going to have to average 127 min I think to have a legitimate chance.
We really haven't seen a "Big 3" like this before. Not only can they all score at will off the bounce, but they have deep range. I just look at the last 5-6 mins of the game and think Brooklyn has an enormous advantage over anyone. They are poor defensively but I'm not sure it matters when you can drop 135 like a walk in the park. If you were Budenholzer who would you have Holiday guard Kyrie or Harden?
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Your criticisms were his attitude and that he wants to be the alpha. There is no evidence that he wants to be the alpha and therefore can't play with other top players so lets just dismiss that one. And his "attitude" was often well justified when looked at in context and in retrospect.
Not to mention that as the alpha, he took them to within two games of the championship against a team with LBJ and AD as its cornerstones.
I actually expect pretty major changes in Miami this year that would team up Jimmy with another top player. Khawhi maybe?
I disagree with your assessment, but there is time to find out which of us is correct.
Having Khawhi in Miami would be fascinating. Make no mistake, though. Quiet as he is, Khawhi is an Alpha.
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The Bucks/Nets series should be a lot of fun. But now that I've watched a bit I just don't see Milwaukee beating them. I hope I'm wrong but when you have three guys that can create their own shot and score 30 a game, plus a dead-eye spot shooter along side, it's an enormous advantage. The Bucks are going to have to average 127 min I think to have a legitimate chance.
We really haven't seen a "Big 3" like this before. Not only can they all score at will off the bounce, but they have deep range. I just look at the last 5-6 mins of the game and think Brooklyn has an enormous advantage over anyone. They are poor defensively but I'm not sure it matters when you can drop 135 like a walk in the park. If you were Budenholzer who would you have Holiday guard Kyrie or Harden?
Bucks lineups will be fascinating. I stick Jrue on Harden to start. Harden and KD can win with hero ball, take your chances with Kyrie. I think locking down Joe Harris is an X Factor for the Bucks.
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Bucks lineups will be fascinating. I stick Jrue on Harden to start. Harden and KD can win with hero ball, take your chances with Kyrie. I think locking down Joe Harris is an X Factor for the Bucks.
I'm just not sure what you do defensively. Kyrie and Harden have A+ handles. You're not going to stop them from going downhill or elevating and getting clean looks. I would focus on keeping them off the line.
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I am currently watching Washington go with the hack a Simmons approach.
Yeah, Jimmy was the issue
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I think locking down Joe Harris is an X Factor for the Bucks.
I agree, and that's where not having Donte hurts.
I don't know what to make of this series... last month I'd have taken the Nets in 5 or 6. The Bucks' defensive effort against Miami was so good, that it's making me think they could possibly pull this off.
The Nets going from Jordan to Griffin/Claxton makes me wonder how much the Bucks can play Brook. Have to think Tucker is gonna play heavy minutes.
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Lakers without AD down 30 at halftime. Lebron 3 for 10 with 3 TOs and going through the motions conserving energy. Sheesh. They better hope AD is back on Thur cause the Suns have momentum and confidence and CP3 looks healthy
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Lakers without AD down 30 at halftime. Lebron 3 for 10 with 3 TOs and going through the motions conserving energy. Sheesh. They better hope AD is back on Thur cause the Suns have momentum and confidence and CP3 looks healthy
So weird what they were doing with LeBron in the 1st half. Had him basically playing the entire half getting clocked, when he was barely trying anyways
Might as well just sit him a bit and get ready for Thursday.
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CP3 is 50% at best.
Ya....not sure why LeBron was playing that many mins down 30.
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Eff the NBA for putting the Port-Den game on NBA-TV.
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Lillard is seriously ridiculous. He gets overlooked because of Curry.
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Jokic is really good. But boy is he also a complete moron.
Dude is hoisting 3s he has no business taking.
He bitches about every no call which is usually cause he takes a wild shot rather than posting up
He is now taking long twos with maybe the worst big man defender in nba history on him.
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Lillard is seriously ridiculous. He gets overlooked because of Curry.
He gets overlooked because Portland has only built flawed teams around him. He got no support tonight. I wouldn’t be shocked at ALL to see him leave this summer.
Jokic is really good. But boy is he also a complete moron.
Dude is hoisting 3s he has no business taking.
He bitches about every no call which is usually cause he takes a wild shot rather than posting up
He is now taking long twos with maybe the worst big man defender in nba history on him.
I feel like that is just some small sample recency bias. He shot 57% from the floor this year, 39% from 3. Hes never shot under 50% for a season, regular or playoffs. He’s shot over 40% from 3 on each season on the playoffs he’s played. He’s a very good shooter. He does have a weird looking shot and motion which makes misses look especially bad, but outside of step backs, there isn’t really bad shots for him. Those ugly looking fadeaways he makes with absurd consistency.
And calling one of the highest basketball IQ players in the league, a center who averaged over 8 assists a game cause of his vision and understanding of the game, a “moron” is a hilariously bad take.
He went for 38/11/9 with 4 blocks on 45% shooting in a victory, in a tight series without their team’s second star, after an MVP season, and you’re calling him a moron who takes bad shots. Man you’re hard to please :o :o
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Lakers without AD down 30 at halftime. Lebron 3 for 10 with 3 TOs and going through the motions conserving energy. Sheesh. They better hope AD is back on Thur cause the Suns have momentum and confidence and CP3 looks healthy
Loses his Robin and he goes down 30 at the half in a game 5.
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He gets overlooked because Portland has only built flawed teams around him. He got no support tonight. I wouldn’t be shocked at ALL to see him leave this summer.
I feel like that is just some small sample recency bias. He shot 57% from the floor this year, 39% from 3. Hes never shot under 50% for a season, regular or playoffs. He’s shot over 40% from 3 on each season on the playoffs he’s played. He’s a very good shooter. He does have a weird looking shot and motion which makes misses look especially bad, but outside of step backs, there isn’t really bad shots for him. Those ugly looking fadeaways he makes with absurd consistency.
And calling one of the highest basketball IQ players in the league, a center who averaged over 8 assists a game cause of his vision and understanding of the game, a “moron” is a hilariously bad take.
He went for 38/11/9 with 4 blocks on 45% shooting in a victory, in a tight series without their team’s second star, after an MVP season, and you’re calling him a moron who takes bad shots. Man you’re hard to please :o :o
Uhh there is a difference between taking 3s in the flow and the launching he was doing tonight. I think the announcers mentioned it about 15 times.
I am not hard to please, a dumb shot is a dumb shot. He was whining and taking dumb shots consistently. And I flat out said he is still really good.
It will never, ever, ever, ever ,ever ,ever ,ever, ever be a good shot to take a 23 foot long two with Enes Kanter on you. This is not my opinion.
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Must’ve been a really good book Lebron had to get back to leaving with 6 minutes left in the game.
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Danny Ainge stepping down in Boston, Brad Stevens to become new team president and leave coaching.
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Uhh there is a difference between taking 3s in the flow and the launching he was doing tonight. I think the announcers mentioned it about 15 times.
I am not hard to please, a dumb shot is a dumb shot. He was whining and taking dumb shots consistently. And I flat out said he is still really good.
It will never, ever, ever, ever ,ever ,ever ,ever, ever be a good shot to take a 23 foot long two with Enes Kanter on you. This is not my opinion.
Misunderstood you on the 3s. I thought you meant he shouldnt be taking 3s the same way you would say a 29% shooter from deep has no business taking them early in the clock. I hear you.
He was weird with his shot selection at times last night. But I guess it didnt register cause he has that odd element of his game. Seemingly random decisions to throw a looping fall away where the same position and same defender he'd easily spin to the rim or find a cutter. Its part of what makes him so good and difficult to guard. The whining is what it is, but he's earned the bizarreness of his shot selection cause ive seen him have games where he takes those "dumb shots" and goes 8/10 in a half.
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LeBron sucked, and he checked out, too. It happens, but it's a bad look for one of the best players ever.
Even if AD comes back, I'd expect the Suns to win the series. They're just better.
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The rest of Stevens career is going to be interesting. He’s still a relatively young guy. One of the reasons he left college was disliking recruiting. Now he’s burned out from coaching. I feel he will get the itch again after a few years in the Front Office.
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LeBron sucked, and he checked out, too. It happens, but it's a bad look for one of the best players ever.
Even if AD comes back, I'd expect the Suns to win the series. They're just better.
I'm not going to discount LA yet. I agree that Lebron was checked out of that game, but it was also out of reach early.
He will likely take the criticism personally, and come out extra motivated. His legacy/image defines him. If AD is back, the combination of a highly motivated Lebron and AD could be enough. Especially if Paul's shoulder isn't up to snuff.
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I'm not going to discount LA yet. I agree that Lebron was checked out of that game, but it was also out of reach early.
He will likely take the criticism personally, and come out extra motivated. His legacy/image defines him. If AD is back, the combination of a highly motivated Lebron and AD could be enough. Especially if Paul's shoulder isn't up to snuff.
Booker finally had a good game but I agree with you. I hope I'm wrong but If AD is back I still think the Lakers find a way in 7. CP3 is maybe 30% healthy. Last night was just the perfect storm for the Lakers. If Paul was healthy it would be over but he's not.
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The rest of Stevens career is going to be interesting. He’s still a relatively young guy. One of the reasons he left college was disliking recruiting. Now he’s burned out from coaching. I feel he will get the itch again after a few years in the Front Office.
Stevens is really a super talented coach...without a niche. He's an unreal Xs and Os guy, probably the best at drawing up plays after TOs or side out of bounds in the league. And I think his player development is actually very good. But he's not a good manger of egos or general player/locker room management...which is paramount in the NBA. Which is why the Cs seemingly underperform in the playoffs.
I get that he hates recruiting, but he's really best suited to going back to college, maybe at a sub-blue blood level, and just get a top assistant who does literally all of the recruiting. His Xs and Os strength is much better suited there.
My joking, yet sort of serious, theory is he moves to the FO and they dismantle the team, save for maybe Jaylen Brown or Tatum. A coach comes in to guide a mediocre rebuilding team, for 2-3 years, that does poorly. Then Stevens returns to take over a fresh revitalized roster of guys he picked who he thinks he can coach. Feels even more feasible when I see Jason Kidd and Lloyd Pierce mentioned as candidates who both STINK. Pierce literally just got fired in Atlanta and he was awful.
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Stevens is really a super talented coach...without a niche. He's an unreal Xs and Os guy, probably the best at drawing up plays after TOs or side out of bounds in the league. And I think his player development is actually very good. But he's not a good manger of egos or general player/locker room management...which is paramount in the NBA. Which is why the Cs seemingly underperform in the playoffs.
I get that he hates recruiting, but he's really best suited to going back to college, maybe at a sub-blue blood level, and just get a top assistant who does literally all of the recruiting. His Xs and Os strength is much better suited there.
My joking, yet sort of serious, theory is he moves to the FO and they dismantle the team, save for maybe Jaylen Brown or Tatum. A coach comes in to guide a mediocre rebuilding team, for 2-3 years, that does poorly. Then Stevens returns to take over a fresh revitalized roster of guys he picked who he thinks he can coach. Feels even more feasible when I see Jason Kidd and Lloyd Pierce mentioned as candidates who both STINK. Pierce literally just got fired in Atlanta and he was awful.
I hope McMillan gets the full-time gig in Atlanta. He got a raw deal in Indy.
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Rick Bonnell, the long-time and well-respected Hornets beat writer for the Charlotte Observer, died last night. He was only 63.
I didn't know him well, just well enough to have exchanged pleasantries with him when he'd be covering the same events I did. But he was always nice, always had a smile and a joke, and he worked his butt off. Not all that long after he started at the Observer, he became widely regarded as one of the better NBA writers in the country -- status he maintained right through this season.
He will be missed in our community.
Here is the lovely tribute that Observer columnist Scott Fowler wrote about him:
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/scott-fowler/article251835193.html
A snippet:
Having Rick Bonnell suggest a Hornets story angle to you in Charlotte was like having Springsteen suggest a lyric in New Jersey to an aspiring songwriter. Bonnell knew the Hornets like no one else, and I mean literally no one. He covered everyone from Muggsy Bogues and Dell Curry to Larry Johnson and Alonzo Mourning to LaMelo Ball and Gordon Hayward.
Bonnell didn’t just have institutional knowledge. He was an institution.
If I trailed slightly behind him at a Hornets game on the way to our seats, a fan would sometimes see the dapper reporter with the bald head gleaming in the lights and yell, “Hey, Rick!” He always stopped to talk. He thought about the readers first and what they might want to know and he’d frame his postgame questions to try to figure that out.
And did he have a good contact list?! Oh my Lord.
Let’s put it this way: Rick could text Michael Jordan, the Hornets owner but also one of the most elusive men in the world when he wants to be, and get a text reply back. It often came within minutes.
“As much as any reporter I know, Rick was accurate, insightful and fair,” said Gary Schwab, who was Bonnell’s sports editor for much of his career. “That’s why Michael Jordan returned Rick’s calls.”
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How many times are we gonna hear about Ben Simmons being 6’11”? Probably even more than we heard about Markus being 17 during his freshman year.
Simmons is 6’8.25 “. I guess when you round that off, it comes out to 6’11”.
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Did Marv Albert just say that the Knicks have won one playoff series in 21 years?? Can that be right?
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Hockey people get all misty-eyed talking about the handshake line at the end of every playoff series. And it IS a good, long-standing tradition.
But players on every NBA team do the equivalent of this after every single playoff game. And that’s pretty cool, too.
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How many times are we gonna hear about Ben Simmons being 6’11”? Probably even more than we heard about Markus being 17 during his freshman year.
Simmons is 6’8.25 “. I guess when you round that off, it comes out to 6’11”.
He measured 6'10" at the NBA Combine.
Has he shrunk?
Given that he was 19 then, I'd say it's more likely that he grew than shrunk, but most likely that he's still 6'10".I
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Ty Lue might want to consider getting the ball out of Doncic's hands? Dude has 17 pts, 5-5 from distance, with 2:15 left in the Ist Q.
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He measured 6'10" at the NBA Combine.
Has he shrunk?
Given that he was 19 then, I'd say it's more likely that he grew than shrunk, but most likely that he's still 6'10".I
Yea I’m not sure where that 6’8 comes from. There are plenty of 6’8 players in the league he is clearly taller than. I remember reading last year that he most recently measured 6’9 and a half barefoot. So he’s easily over 6’10 in shoes. I mean just look at him next to Embiid
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Did Marv Albert just say that the Knicks have won one playoff series in 21 years?? Can that be right?
Easier to believe when you realize they've missed the playoffs in 15 of the past 21 seasons.
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Ty Lue might want to consider getting the ball out of Doncic's hands? Dude has 17 pts, 5-5 from distance, with 2:15 left in the Ist Q.
Luka’s status was questionable due to his neck (though he clearly was never gonna sit). He thus responds with 27/3/8 in the first half, 5/7 from deep. Sweet Jesus. And the Mavs needed every bit. Remember when Porzingis was a budding star and not a zero?
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Luka’s status was questionable due to his neck (though he clearly was never gonna sit). He thus responds with 27/3/8 in the first half, 5/7 from deep. Sweet Jesus. And the Mavs needed every bit. Remember when Porzingis was a budding star and not a zero?
I remember we were told Porslingis was a "budding star". The guy is 7'4 and plays like a 6'4 2G. Sweet Jesus is right. I'm not sure what more Doncic can do? The same was true of Lillard last night.
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He measured 6'10" at the NBA Combine.
Has he shrunk?
Given that he was 19 then, I'd say it's more likely that he grew than shrunk, but most likely that he's still 6'10".I
He measured at 6’8.25” without shoes. That is his height.
I am 6’2”” in bare feet. I don’t call myself 6’3 when I put on shoes and leave the house. I dott do that for a simple reason. I am 6’2”.
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I'm pretty sure the industry standard in the NBA is to list a players height with his shoes
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He measured at 6’8.25” without shoes. That is his height.
I am 6’2”” in bare feet. I don’t call myself 6’3 when I put on shoes and leave the house. I dott do that for a simple reason. I am 6’2”.
Maybe he improved his posture.
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Maybe he improved his posture.
Or grew an Afro for measurement day.
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He measured at 6’8.25” without shoes. That is his height.
I am 6’2”” in bare feet. I don’t call myself 6’3 when I put on shoes and leave the house. I dott do that for a simple reason. I am 6’2”.
Fine, but then you need to knock every NBA player's height down an inch or two, since all official measurements are with shoes.
Seems more like a "I don't like Ben Simmons" thing than a "I care a lot about accuracy in the reporting of NBA player heights" thing.
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Fine, but then you need to know every NBA player's height down an inch or two, since all official measurements are with shoes.
Seems more like a "I don't like Ben Simmons" thing than a "I care a lot about accuracy in the reporting of NBA player heights" thing.
Bingo.
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Fine, but then you need to knock every NBA player's height down an inch or two, since all official measurements are with shoes.
Seems more like a "I don't like Ben Simmons" thing than a "I care a lot about accuracy in the reporting of NBA player heights" thing.
I seem to recall Jockey having an issue with Harry Froling as well. Hmmmm
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I seem to recall Jockey having an issue with Harry Froling as well. Hmmmm
He's a heightist.
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I seem to recall Jockey having an issue with Harry Froling as well. Hmmmm
Not me. Although I have posted about the myth of Draymond Green being 6’7”.
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He's a heightist.
Clever! ;D
At 6’2” (see how I keep mentioning that?), I look down on people under 6 foot.
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Bingo.
Actually, I love Simmons’ game. And what does discussing height have to do with liking a player? With this reasoning, I must really detest Markus. SMH.
If I recall, you were the one who said Simmons was lazy. As if that could possibly be the case for the guy who will be Defensive player of the year.
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Fine, but then you need to knock every NBA player's height down an inch or two, since all official measurements are with shoes.
Seems more like a "I don't like Ben Simmons" thing than a "I care a lot about accuracy in the reporting of NBA player heights" thing.
Cool! I’m 6’3.5” 8-)
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Actually, I love Simmons’ game. And what does discussing height have to do with liking a player? With this reasoning, I must really detest Markus. SMH.
If I recall, you were the one who said Simmons was lazy. As if that could possibly be the case for the guy who will be Defensive player of the year.
Cause you latch onto these inane arguments where you are the only one saying them. Ben Simmons measured 6'8 barefoot at age 19 5 years ago. Beyond the fact that every player height listed ever has been with shoes on, you are insistent on his "true height". And thats not including the fact that many people around the NBA have mentioned he grew and was measured at 6'9+ barefoot in Philly. Its just a silly insistent hill to die on.
And I never called Simmons lazy. I said he was largely the same player he was when he came into the league and he had attitude/work ethic issues called out in his pre-draft and throughout his career. Gobert is largely the DPOY, but Ive never questioned his effort in game. Just that he had a rep for not working as hard on off days, which is a stark contrast to Butler, and that is reflected in his shooting remaining mediocre far longer than it shoot for a guy with his game.
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When ever I have met an all time NBA or NFL great in person it seems like they were actually their listed size or even taller.
I was at a corporate event many years ago with John Havliczek and the guy was every bit of 6-6 220 and with the his trademark broad shoulders , long arms and big hands . Easy to see why he was so good.
I also saw Bill Walton and he was definitely closer to 7-2 than his listed height . A mountain of a man.
Even guys like Barry Sanders and Jim Brown , were just a walking balls of muscle unlike no one else.
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Good night to remember that time when GarPax passed on MPJ to draft Wendell Carter.
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Good night to remember that time when GarPax passed on MPJ to draft Wendell Carter.
Not quite as bad as when Paxson tried to trade up so he could draft Wade but couldn’t get it done because he refused to give up Donyell Marshall.
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Uhhhh.....Booker is on fire early for the Suns. 6-6 from downtown and 22 pts in the 1sr Q.
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This is an unmitigated a** whooping. Lebron and AD will be resting by halftime at this rate
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This is an unmitigated a** whooping. Lebron and AD will be resting by halftime at this rate
Game is long from over. The Suns just squandered 10 points because they totally lost focus. Inexcusable.
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Suns are playing like complete garbage now. You need to seize the moment. They better wake up or they will piss this game away.
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Booker putting up a 50 spot to send the Lakers home, in LA, would be pretty special
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Booker putting up a 50 spot to send the Lakers home, in LA, would be pretty special
Book has been spectacular. Jae has been really good. The rest of the Suns have had a complete meltdown. The fact that the Lakers will have a chance to win this one is greatly disappointing JWags. Phoenix better come out in the 4th with a sense of urgency.
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Crowder hitting dagger 3s was fun.
Back to back possessions with the Lakers desperate, Cam Johnson stripped Lebron on a drive and then Jae blocked him the next possession on a layup. Huge
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What happened? Jae just ran to the locker room like Usain Bolt.
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Both finalists from the bubble ... gone.
Suns-Nuggets should be fun.
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Both finalists from the bubble ... gone.
Suns-Nuggets should be fun.
Im not sure Phoenix can guard Jokic. Great to see Jae and Markus in the 2nd round.
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LeBron in LA
2018-19: Missed Playoffs
2019-20: NBA Champions after getting AD
2020-21: Lost First Round after Davis gets injured
Will he bail for a new super team or get another top 10 player to join him. Otherwise, he isn’t winning another title.
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What happened? Jae just ran to the locker room like Usain Bolt.
Jae did the LeBron Salsa dance and got ejected.
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Jae did the LeBron Salsa dance and got ejected.
I don’t think last night could have went more perfectly for Jae. Been going at Lebron all series. Meme starts going around of Lebron smiling going against Crowder in the post cause he thinks he’s easy. So Jae starts the game white hot to kickstart the huge lead. Then hits dagger threes late. Then gets the last trash talking word and sprints happily to the locker room. Just incredible
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I don’t think last night could have went more perfectly for Jae. Been going at Lebron all series. Meme starts going around of Lebron smiling going against Crowder in the post cause he thinks he’s easy. So Jae starts the game white hot to kickstart the huge lead. Then hits dagger threes late. Then gets the last trash talking word and sprints happily to the locker room. Just incredible
That's great but I would like to know how you felt last night went for Lebron? :)
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I didn't get the end of that game last night. The Lakers bench was chirping at Booker for dunking with 40 seconds left. Did they want him to take a shot clock violation? Starting a possession with 27 seconds left I get taking a shot clock violation leaving 3 seconds on the game clock, but starting a possession with over a minute left? You're mad at the Suns for scoring on that possession?
Seemed like Jae's dance came as a result of the Lakers bench trying to team up on Booker. See ya Lakers!
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Jae did the LeBron Salsa dance and got ejected.
https://twitter.com/mkf/status/1400683518263402500?s=20
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I didn't get the end of that game last night. The Lakers bench was chirping at Booker for dunking with 40 seconds left. Did they want him to take a shot clock violation? Starting a possession with 27 seconds left I get taking a shot clock violation leaving 3 seconds on the game clock, but starting a possession with over a minute left? You're mad at the Suns for scoring on that possession?
Seemed like Jae's dance came as a result of the Lakers bench trying to team up on Booker. See ya Lakers!
The Lakers bench is beyond annoying. They relish in being the fun clowning celebration crew when Lebron and AD and others are clicking. But they get peeved and offended super easily. Its happened multiple times this. Hope they enjoy vacation! 1-2-CANCUN!
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I didn't get the end of that game last night. The Lakers bench was chirping at Booker for dunking with 40 seconds left. Did they want him to take a shot clock violation? Starting a possession with 27 seconds left I get taking a shot clock violation leaving 3 seconds on the game clock, but starting a possession with over a minute left? You're mad at the Suns for scoring on that possession?
Seemed like Jae's dance came as a result of the Lakers bench trying to team up on Booker. See ya Lakers!
definitely a very weak ejection. The officials were just trying to prevent something more from happening. Thankfully it's not the kind of ejection that will lead to a fine or suspension.
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I don’t think last night could have went more perfectly for Jae. Been going at Lebron all series. Meme starts going around of Lebron smiling going against Crowder in the post cause he thinks he’s easy. So Jae starts the game white hot to kickstart the huge lead. Then hits dagger threes late. Then gets the last trash talking word and sprints happily to the locker room. Just incredible
That was great stuff. When Jae hit that second late 3, I actually stood up and said, "Yeah!" What a great warrior.
When you do all the silly stuff LeBron does, you have to be ready to be mocked.
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LeBron in LA
2018-19: Missed Playoffs
2019-20: NBA Champions after getting AD
2020-21: Lost First Round after Davis gets injured
Will he bail for a new super team or get another top 10 player to join him. Otherwise, he isn’t winning another title.
LeBron in LA
2018-19: Missed Playoffs
2019-20: NBA Champions after getting AD
2020-21: Lost First Round after Davis gets injured
Will he bail for a new super team or get another top 10 player to join him. Otherwise, he isn’t winning another title.
If that's the case, LeBron will just have to settle for 4 titles, 10 trips to the Finals, the all-time scoring leadership, generally accepted status as the second-best basketball player ever, and more than a billion bucks in the bank. What a loser!
Oh, and you forgot to do fun lists on how many titles Davis, Bosh, Irving, etc, have in the years they didn't play with James.
How many titles did Wade win without LeBron? Just 1? Not real good.
How many titles did Kareem win without Magic, Worthy, etc? Just 1? Pretty sad.
How many titles did Russell win without the dozen Hall of Famers he played with? Zero? Loser.
This kind of stuff isn't silly at all.
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I don’t think last night could have went more perfectly for Jae. Been going at Lebron all series. Meme starts going around of Lebron smiling going against Crowder in the post cause he thinks he’s easy. So Jae starts the game white hot to kickstart the huge lead. Then hits dagger threes late. Then gets the last trash talking word and sprints happily to the locker room. Just incredible
If it was LeBron showing up another player, you would have been apoplectic in your post. You and the LeBron haters would have gone nuts. The little crazy guy would have been ranting about LeBron and fake reading.
Kinda like the game threads where guys go nuts if someone stares down an MU player and then can't get enough of Theo intimidating a guy on the other team.
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If it was LeBron showing up another player, you would have been apoplectic in your post. You and the LeBron haters would have gone nuts. The little crazy guy would have been ranting about LeBron and fake reading.
Kinda like the game threads where guys go nuts if someone stares down an MU player and then can't get enough of Theo intimidating a guy on the other team.
Stop blaming other people for Lebron's issues. How is it my fault that he fake reads or leaves the court in Game 5 to "get treatment" with 6 mins to go in the game? If someone doesn't want to be criticized for fake reading, perhaps he should stop fake reading Jockey? WTH?
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If it was LeBron showing up another player, you would have been apoplectic in your post. You and the LeBron haters would have gone nuts. The little crazy guy would have been ranting about LeBron and fake reading.
Kinda like the game threads where guys go nuts if someone stares down an MU player and then can't get enough of Theo intimidating a guy on the other team.
Give me a break man. Find me a post where I complain about trash talking or showboating. I love that in the game. And I would have loved it if Jae did it to AD, or KCP, or f-ing Caruso. Dude has always been unafraid and thats part of what made him endearing at MU and beyond. Many players are afraid to go toe to toe with stars in situations like that cause of the understandable double standards in the NBA. I had no issue when Morant absolutely embarrassed Joey a few years ago. And if he had posed like Ric Flair and danced a jig next to him, I wouldn't have cared beyond being pissed that MU was playing like trash.
Ive talked about Lebron for being a diva, or embellishing injuries, or always having an excuse for his narrative. Ive never whined or complained about him celebrating a dunk, or staring down a bench, or doing his celebrations. I said nothing when Lebron was smirking and clowning Crowder with the bench earlier in the series when Twitter went nuts for it.
Get off your high horse with this nonsense just cause I gave you crap in this thread about other stuff. Apoplectic, FOH
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Stop blaming other people for Lebron's issues. How is it my fault that he fake reads or leaves the court in Game 5 to "get treatment" with 6 mins to go in the game? If someone doesn't want to be criticized for fake reading, perhaps he should stop fake reading Jockey? WTH?
Do you point out everyone's "issues" as well? Or do you (an others) have an issue with Lebron that compels you to obsess about his issues in particular?
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Do you point out everyone's "issues" as well? Or do you (an others) have an issue with Lebron that compels you to obsess about his issues in particular?
I'm not obsessing at all FBM. I will respond however when I am called out directly and someone brings up that it's silly to comment about his fake reading. In fact, I'm not the original poster that mentioned he fake reads. All of my responses to his systemic fake reading issues were retorts to those that seem to excuse his fake reading. When you fake read FBM, if you are attacked by an unstoppable rebel force, you have no one to blame but yourself.
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I'm not obsessing at all FBM.
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The Bucks are blowing a big opportunity at this point. Just dumb decisions on offense. They can score in the paint at will. Why launch isolation threes? This will be a missed opportunity if they lose this game without Harden.
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Eh. They aren’t shooting well. If they end up losing this it will be a missed opportunity, but hardly a fatal one.
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Eh. They aren’t shooting well. If they end up losing this it will be a missed opportunity, but hardly a fatal one.
I disagree somewhat. It's not fatal if you mean death but it doesn't look like Budenholzer knows what he's doing. Very poor execution and poise FBM.. Some of it is missed shots but there's a lot of mickey-mouse/isolation hoops in their h-c offense.
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I disagree somewhat. It's not fatal if you mean death but it doesn't look like Budenholzer knows what he's doing. Very poor execution and poise FBM.. Some of it is missed shots but there's a lot of mickey-mouse/isolation hoops in their h-c offense.
They have had open shots behind the line but just missed them. This isn’t a Bud thing.
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Defense is a problem though...
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They have had open shots behind the line but just missed them. This isn’t a Bud thing.
I wouldn't put Giannis at the top vs a set D very much. Get him the ball down low
They've definitely missed a lot of open looks but they are primarily taking shots off the bounce from the perimeter. Not a lot of patience in their offense right now. As I stated before they will need to average 125 min to win the series. Middleton has had a brutal game.
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I wouldn't put Giannis at the top vs a set D very much. Get him the ball down low
They've definitely missed a lot of open looks but they are primarily taking shots off the bounce from the perimeter. Not a lot of patience in their offense right now. As I stated before they will need to average 125 min to win the series. Middleton has had a brutal game.
Didn’t you say you don’t watch many Bucks games? And weren’t you bitching back in game one of the Miami series about how Bud was allocating minutes? (Before sweeping them of course.)
Maybe you should invest a little more time before you question how the coach runs an offense that scored more points than any other in the league.
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Fair point. We will see if Budenholzer adjusts in Game 2. Regular season stats don't mean much once you meet the elite teams in the playoffs or have certain matchups.
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They have had open shots behind the line but just missed them. This isn’t a Bud thing.
Thought he got a little greedy with the bench minutes, but hardly the reason they lost.
More concerning, as you said, was the defense. A lot of the good we saw against Miami went away. Reverted back to the regular season tendencies.
Offensively, using Giannis as the screener/roll is far more effective than him as the initiator.
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Sixers look flat and terrible. Simmons has been pretty awful. Danny Green has become a major has-been
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Trae Young getting plaudits but he had kind of a mediocre second half and a terrible +\-. Huerter was massive off the bench
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Atlanta bringing the ball up in the last 3 minutes looked eerily familiar
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Conundrum: I don’t particularly like the Sixers as a team, but Rivers is a favorite of mine.
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I listened to some of the Hawks/76ers on xm on the way to the golf course. The Philly play by play guy is absolutely phenomenal. He's so good that he made a 25 pt ass kicking from the opposite team in the first half still sound exciting. What can we do to get him behind the mic for Marquette hoops? He's the best p by p guy I've ever heard. Tom McGinnis?? Love the guy.
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So...the Nets are good.
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Nobody can guard Durant.
But what are they doing with Holiday on Durant and Connaughton on Irving? Predictable ending to that quarter.
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Nobody can guard Durant.
Which is expected. But the offense looks terrible against a mediocre defense. That part confounds me.
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Which is expected. But the offense looks terrible against a mediocre defense. That part confounds me.
Middleton has had five bad quarters in this series.
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Ouch. WTF? 36-19? I see Middleton is 0-6. Not good.
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Pretenders, aina?
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This is bad. Really bad. And it's not all on Budenholzer. They are getting embarrassed on both ends of the floor. No flow, stuck in cement.
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Middleton has had five bad quarters in this series.
True. It's not just that though
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Isn't Middleton being a playoff dud kinda the norm??
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Griffin's a punk, hey?
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Pretenders, aina?
Smoes blow, nu?
The “great” players pretty much suck, too.
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Now yo talkin'. Adios Bud and Khris, hey?
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Bucks look like a Woj coached team, aina?
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That was ugly. I'm unclear what the Bucks are trying to do both defensively and offensively. They look hesitant and appear to be going through the motions. If Giannis has no confidence in a simple 12 foot J they won't be able to reach the promised land. But that said I have no earthly idea why they are not attacking the rim. I think they can turn it around but Budenholzer won't be back if this continues for the rest of the series imo.
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Tucker is getting absolutely abused by Durant. Giannis launching 3's is quite frankly stupid. Does anyone have an idea what Budenholzer is trying to do defensively? I was just curious.
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just an ineffiably pathetic performance. truly dont think u could play worse unless u tried
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Did Budenholzer make any adjustments after Game 1? The good news is the Bucks could not play worse. If they get drilled again and lose in 4 or 5 what would you do if you were the GM? That was atrocious.
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Who wins Jae or Markus?
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Bam. Markus just minced the mesh from the right corner.
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If they get drilled again and lose in 4 or 5 what would you do if you were the GM? That was atrocious.
I freshen up the old CV. .
If this keeps up I think you'll see a major house cleaning.
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I freshen up the old CV. .
If this keeps up I think you'll see a major house cleaning.
Yep. If they don't win the next two everyone is gone.
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I do love that the NBA nixed a trade for the Bucks because they were talking to a restricted free agent before free agency started (as if nobody “tampers” and multi year, multi million dollar deals are all negotiated and signed in 30 seconds after midnight strikes) because Woj got excited and Tweeted it was a #donedeal, take a 2nd round pick away on top of it, but they’ll let Harden go to strip clubs in a pandemic until he’s traded to one specific team and let Blake Griffin just not even leave the ground in basketball games until he’s free to go wherever he wants, as long as it’s NYC or LA.
The NBA is adult AAU. Sure a lesser known team can make a fun run by being well constructed and well coached, but ultimately the team that just gets their star to text other stars are going to win in the end.
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Yep. If they don't win the next two everyone is gone.
Who would you go after coaching-wise if it comes to that point?
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Who would you go after coaching-wise if it comes to that point?
Juwan Howard. Or package Nick Nurse and Masai Ujiri.
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Juwan Howard. Or package Nick Nurse and Masai Ujiri.
Interesting choices.
I missed the 1stQ but it didn't look like Giannis played with any sense of urgency tonight. And he still has no confidence with his jumper or free throws. I'm no fan of Budenholzer but the bottom line is the Bucks did not show up It kind of looked like me trying to guard Davante and I'm 5'4, 130 lbs.
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Juwan Howard. Or package Nick Nurse and Masai Ujiri.
It would be interesting if Howard would leave his alma mater for an NBA job.
Also, have there been reports that Nurse and Ujiri want out of Toronto? I'm not being snarky. I legit don't know.
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It would be interesting if Howard would leave his alma mater for an NBA job.
Also, have there been reports that Nurse and Ujiri want out of Toronto? I'm not being snarky. I legit don't know.
Ujiri was basically crying at his press conference saying he’d have to think about his future. Definitely seemed like he knew it wouldn’t be in Toronto.
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Ujiri was basically crying at his press conference saying he’d have to think about his future. Definitely seemed like he knew it wouldn’t be in Toronto.
Thanks.
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Suns enter 3Q trailing by 1, end it up by 9.
Jae plays entire quarter for Suns. Markus doesn’t play for Denver.
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Suns enter 3Q trailing by 1, end it up by 9.
Jae plays entire quarter for Suns. Markus doesn’t play for Denver.
Monte Morris is 1/10 and -28.
Might be time to give Markus some run
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Suns enter 3Q trailing by 1, end it up by 9.
Jae plays entire quarter for Suns. Markus doesn’t play for Denver.
Bad choice by Malone. Denver's guards had a rough 3rd Q.
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Watching Suns from about midway through 3Q, it’s like watching Hoosiers. Phoenix never seemed to miss.
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Watching Suns from about midway through 3Q, it’s like watching Hoosiers. Phoenix never seemed to miss.
CP3 looks closer to back. That changes everything. Both Utah and Phoenix are really good. Ayton has stepped it up.
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Jae passed MJ and Dirk on the all time NBA playoff 3pt FG list tonight.
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I do love that the NBA nixed a trade for the Bucks because they were talking to a restricted free agent before free agency started (as if nobody “tampers” and multi year, multi million dollar deals are all negotiated and signed in 30 seconds after midnight strikes) because Woj got excited and Tweeted it was a #donedeal, take a 2nd round pick away on top of it, but they’ll let Harden go to strip clubs in a pandemic until he’s traded to one specific team and let Blake Griffin just not even leave the ground in basketball games until he’s free to go wherever he wants, as long as it’s NYC or LA.
The NBA is adult AAU. Sure a lesser known team can make a fun run by being well constructed and well coached, but ultimately the team that just gets their star to text other stars are going to win in the end.
Even if true (life is not fair) does not excuse the fact that the Bucks simply failed to show up in Brooklyn. Looking like the problems are more intestinal fortitude and intelligence, not so much talent.
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Jae passed MJ and Dirk on the all time NBA playoff 3pt FG list tonight.
Which tells you all you need to know about how much basketball has changed.
Michael's famous "Shrug Game," when he hit six 3's? Today, six 3's in a game really does elicit a shrug, because it's relatively common!
Still ...
I am 100% sure that if Michael needed to be a great 3-point shooter because that's what the game had become, he would have turned himself into a great 3-point shooter. Same with Stockton, Wilkins, Gervin, etc etc etc. It was still a novelty shot when they played, something a team used rarely. If the game then was played the way it is now, Frazier and Isiah would have turned themselves into great 3-point shooters.
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Even if true (life is not fair) does not excuse the fact that the Bucks simply failed to show up in Brooklyn. Looking like the problems are more intestinal fortitude and intelligence, not so much talent.
The lights do seem a little too bright for the Bucks, but even if they were "bringing it," I just don't think they would be very competitive with the Nets. I'll bump my post below. The talent is nice for a regular season team, and Bud still coaches them like it's regular season basketball. Come Playoff time in modern basketball, you need two MVP level players. The Bucks have one, and his game doesn't carry over well into the Playoffs. Things were falling their way in 2019 and they collapsed on their own. That was the season to get their title.
Forbes and Portis couldn't guard Symir Torrence or Matt Heldt, let alone NBA caliber players. If Forbes isn't completely on fire, he's a net negative. Portis can play against smaller bigs that can't step out and shoot and aren't options on the roll in a pick and roll. AKA nobody that will be playing in the Playoffs. They can both get buckets offensively, but both give up many more than they get defensively.
Tucker will help make players uncomfortable on the defensive end, but he's averaging 2 points per game. He's a complete and utter non-threat offensively. He'll stand in a corner and opponents will have a big playing a complete free safety to help on Giannis's drive.
Pat C has been solid for a bench guy, but if I'm the Bucks opponent and that's the most complete player coming off the Bucks' bench, I'm feeling alright. Teague won't get more than 12 minutes per game, nor should he.
Spoe>>>>>>>>Bud
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Who would you go after coaching-wise if it comes to that point?
Go after a former player...not named Kidd. Its a joke that a lifelong coach like Bud, with a pedigree including sitting next to Pop, is getting his ass handed to him by a do nothing cat like Nash, hey?
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The lights do seem a little too bright for the Bucks, but even if they were "bringing it," I just don't think they would be very competitive with the Nets. I'll bump my post below. The talent is nice for a regular season team, and Bud still coaches them like it's regular season basketball. Come Playoff time in modern basketball, you need two MVP level players. The Bucks have one, and his game doesn't carry over well into the Playoffs. Things were falling their way in 2019 and they collapsed on their own. That was the season to get their title.
Yep. This is why people are so hesitant on Middleton.
Anyway, I am also not going to lay this all on the coach. Yeah sure his rotations are questionable at times, but that's not why they lost. I mean, no one can guard Durant. That being said, in the NBA sometimes you just need a new voice. And I think the Bucks are at that moment.
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Which tells you all you need to know about how much basketball has changed.
Michael's famous "Shrug Game," when he hit six 3's? Today, six 3's in a game really does elicit a shrug, because it's relatively common!
I think some context is deserved. It wasn't just 6 threes in a game, it was 6 threes in the first half as part of a 35-point half. The shrug happened before halftime. Even in today's NBA, it would be impressive.
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I think some context is deserved. It wasn't just 6 threes in a game, it was 6 threes in the first half as part of a 35-point half. The shrug happened before halftime. Even in today's NBA, it would be impressive.
Yes, very true, thanks for that.
I am also not going to lay this all on the coach. Yeah sure his rotations are questionable at times, but that's not why they lost. I mean, no one can guard Durant. That being said, in the NBA sometimes you just need a new voice. And I think the Bucks are at that moment.
Also very true. It might or might not be "fair," but a change would seem warranted. Same with Portland sacking their coach, who almost always seemed to get the most (or close to it) out of his teams. At some point, "a new voice" is necessary.
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I almost hate posting this, because there are enough Scoopers already who hate LeBron more than most people should be hated, but here are the results of an interesting (albeit unscientific) "study" about the most hated NBA players ...
(https://brobible.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/lebron-james-most-hated-map.png?w=650)
The study tracked negative tweets such as “I hate LeBron” or “LeBron sucks” and similar negative comments for many players. The data was then grouped by region and measured against which players received the most negative tweets across a map of states. James won it, going away with 24 states lining up against him. However, Kyrie Irving factored in second place, with 18 states hating him the most.
https://www.breitbart.com/sports/2021/06/07/study-finds-lebron-james-most-hated-player-in-the-nba/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+breitbart+%28Breitbart+News%29
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The lights do seem a little too bright for the Bucks, but even if they were "bringing it," I just don't think they would be very competitive with the Nets. I'll bump my post below. The talent is nice for a regular season team, and Bud still coaches them like it's regular season basketball. Come Playoff time in modern basketball, you need two MVP level players. The Bucks have one, and his game doesn't carry over well into the Playoffs. Things were falling their way in 2019 and they collapsed on their own. That was the season to get their title.
The good news is they can't play or shoot worse but you hit on a key point. "His game doesn't carry over well into the playoffs." This is a huge problem. We know Middleton has been awful in Brooklyn but Giannis shouldn't get a free pass. He has to either get his ass in the mid or low post or shoot the 12 footer with confidence. In this particular series he should be dominating in the paint as should Lopez frankly. Play more inside out which will lead to better shot attempts from distance.
The Bucks averaged 120 a game in the regular season but in the half court they have not adjusted to players dropping 6 feet from Giannis when he has the ball up top. Budenholzer hasn't adjusted his strategy and GIannis has not tweaked his game.
Now, the defense has been piss poor as well but Brooklyn is going to score. No one can guard Durant one on one or Kyrie. It's about stopping Harris and others from getting wide open triples.
I disagree somewhat with your two MVP's premise. This has been true in recent years but none of the teams left in the West and 3 teams in the East don't have two MVP'S. For Milwaukee Giannis has to dominate and Middleton and Holiday have to play a lot better. Attack the rim, period.
I have no idea why Budenholzer doesn't relentlessly have them attack. The Bucks shot one FT in the first half. They won't get back on track if they hesitate and refuse to attack. I wouldn't say a word if I was Budenholzer but write ATTACK, ATTACK, ATTACK, 1000 times on their white or chalkboard. There needs to be far more tenacity from the Bucks. The Bucks being successful helps Marquette. They need to get their act together.
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The good news is they can't play or shoot worse but you hit on a key point. "His game doesn't carry over well into the playoffs." This is a huge problem. We know Middleton has been awful in Brooklyn but Giannis shouldn't get a free pass. He has to either get his ass in the mid or low post or shoot the 12 footer with confidence. In this particular series he should be dominating in the paint as should Lopez frankly. Play more inside out which will lead to better shot attempts from distance.
The Bucks averaged 120 a game in the regular season but in the half court they have not adjusted to players dropping 6 feet from Giannis when he has the ball up top. Budenholzer hasn't adjusted his strategy and GIannis has not tweaked his game.
Now, the defense has been piss poor as well but Brooklyn is going to score. No one can guard Durant one on one or Kyrie. It's about stopping Harris and others from getting wide open triples.
I disagree somewhat with your two MVP's premise. This has been true in recent years but none of the teams left in the West and 3 teams in the East don't have two MVP'S. For Milwaukee Giannis has to dominate and Middleton and Holiday have to play a lot better. Attack the rim, period.
I have no idea why Budenholzer doesn't relentlessly have them attack. The Bucks shot one FT in the first half. They won't get back on track if they hesitate and refuse to attack. I wouldn't say a word if I was Budenholzer but write ATTACK, ATTACK, ATTACK, 1000 times on their white or chalkboard. There needs to be far more tenacity from the Bucks. The Bucks being successful helps Marquette. They need to get their act together.
As long as he doesn't say it in a televised huddle during a TO. If Scoop's taught me anything it's that repeating something obvious over and over again in a huddle is proof that you're a bad coach.
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As long as he doesn't say it in a televised huddle during a TO. If Scoop's taught me anything it's that repeating something obvious over and over again in a huddle is proof that you're a bad coach.
Ha!! Touche.
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Giannis got posterized by a dude who's 1/3 of his former self and is 100% in #34's head. Holiday looked like a rookie and the rest of the shmoes are just guys. Game, set, match...aina?
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Never thought I'd see 82 post a Breitbart article
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Giannis got posterized by a dude who's 1/3 of his former self and is 100% in #34's head. Holiday looked like a rookie and the rest of the shmoes are just guys. Game, set, match...aina?
Giannis just short-circuits when things get tough. The quick jumpers, the drives into traffic, just not making intelligent basketball plays.
Which kinda leads me to think that while it's wonderful he signed the supermax, I don't see him as a title-winner as the featured guy. It's far too easy to gameplan for him over the course of a series.
Unless the next coach can get through to him on where to best create, or he gets an actual shooting coach to fix those busted mechanics, I don't see things changing.
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Giannis just short-circuits when things get tough. The quick jumpers, the drives into traffic, just not making intelligent basketball plays.
Which kinda leads me to think that while it's wonderful he signed the supermax, I don't see him as a title-winner as the featured guy. It's far too easy to gameplan for him over the course of a series.
Unless the next coach can get through to him on where to best create, or he gets an actual shooting coach to fix those busted mechanics, I don't see things changing.
The owners are gonna flip the team to cash out on the real estate speculation that was the point of their purchase all along and Giannis is going end up traded. I bet the odds of him playing out his deal to the end in Mke are between slim and none.
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The owners are gonna flip the team to cash out on the real estate speculation that was the point of their purchase all along
Wouldn't surprise me. Especially if Alex loses the senate race.
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Giannis just short-circuits when things get tough. The quick jumpers, the drives into traffic, just not making intelligent basketball plays.
Which kinda leads me to think that while it's wonderful he signed the supermax, I don't see him as a title-winner as the featured guy. It's far too easy to gameplan for him over the course of a series.
Unless the next coach can get through to him on where to best create, or he gets an actual shooting coach to fix those busted mechanics, I don't see things changing.
Had the same conversation with my friends. I don’t think he’s versatile enough to be the best player on a title team. The fact you have to sweat out if he will even beat the 10 second count on a free throw is crazy.
I love Giannis, but until he’s able to consistently hit a jumper, him having the ball at the top of the key is a big issue. Which seems to be a focal point in this offense.
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Wouldn't surprise me. Especially if Alex loses the senate race.
As he should, aina?
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Never thought I'd see 82 post a Breitbart article
It was interesting. And the facts weren't from Breitbart; they just ran the content.
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Do we know why there are soft shell crabs on Dwight Howard's head?
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Do we know why there are soft shell crabs on Dwight Howard's head?
Thanks, Bob Brenly.
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Jazz-Clippers opener was very entertaining.
Donovan Mitchell ... wow. 11 effen teams passed on drafting him in 2017 - Sacramento passed on him twice!
Jordan's Hornets had the 11th pick and were choosing between Mitchell and Malik Monk. Oops. The Pistons had the next pick and chose Luke Kennard over Mitchell. More oops.
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Do we know why there are soft shell crabs on Dwight Howard's head?
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The refs in this Suns/Nuggets game are something
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Malone needs to play Markus. The Denver guards have been atrocious.
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Jazz-Clippers opener was very entertaining.
Donovan Mitchell ... wow. 11 effen teams passed on drafting him in 2017 - Sacramento passed on him twice!
Jordan's Hornets had the 11th pick and were choosing between Mitchell and Malik Monk. Oops. The Pistons had the next pick and chose Luke Kennard over Mitchell. More oops.
To be fair, while hindsight is 20/20, Mitchell is a 6’1 2 guard who wasn’t a great 3P shooter (33% for his career at UL, 35 as a sophomore). He’s always been super athletic and can score, but that isn’t a recipe for success in the NBA traditionally. Monk on the other hand was 2 inches taller, maybe 3, SEC POY as a freshman, and shot 40% from deep. At the time it was pretty much a no brainer to take Monk there if you needed a bucket getting 2G.
Monk just had his best year as a pro finally playing on a decent team with a real PG. Mitchell has got to play on good to great teams with a very good HC and excellent PGs, which has certainly helped his development explode.
In other news, Crowder back to his Game 6 form tonight
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CP3 is looking healthier. I love when a guy can completely dominate a game taking 7 shots. He only has 24 dimes and 1 turnover so far in this series.
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Happy Birthday Jon McGlocklin
https://twitter.com/Bucks/status/1402997630997733383
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To be fair, while hindsight is 20/20, Mitchell is a 6’1 2 guard who wasn’t a great 3P shooter (33% for his career at UL, 35 as a sophomore). He’s always been super athletic and can score, but that isn’t a recipe for success in the NBA traditionally. Monk on the other hand was 2 inches taller, maybe 3, SEC POY as a freshman, and shot 40% from deep. At the time it was pretty much a no brainer to take Monk there if you needed a bucket getting 2G.
Monk just had his best year as a pro finally playing on a decent team with a real PG. Mitchell has got to play on good to great teams with a very good HC and excellent PGs, which has certainly helped his development explode.
In other news, Crowder back to his Game 6 form tonight
We'll agree generally on 20/20 hindsight. There was little reason nor calling for several of the teams that passed on Mitchell to take him.
However, we'll disagree on it being a "no-brainer" for the Hornets to take Monk over Mitchell. There were articles and columns locally here for weeks and weeks leading to the draft. Go with Monk, an athletic sniper who didn't play defense and had a reputation for not working hard and hope he grows up; or Mitchell, a dogged defender, hard worker and a slasher whose long arms helped him "play taller" than his listed height and hope that his shot develops over time? The Hornets' braintrust was reportedly pretty evenly divided, and the "tiebreaker" went to Jordan (a notoriously poor judge of talent as an NBA executive) and the then-GM Rich Cho, who made a grand total of one good draft pick in 7 years (Kemba).
Like the coach at the time (Steve Clifford) and a couple others in the organization, preferred Mitchell because I thought at the worst he had a chance to be another Kyle Lowry. I happened to be right on this one, but I've been plenty wrong other times.
And Luke Effen Kennard? Example No. 6883 of why the Pistons have sucked for years.
See, this is why I think Sam will get a good, long look. The NBA is intoxicated when it comes to perimeter shooting. I'm not even criticizing the intoxication, because I realize it's today's game. But the desperation to find shooters has led to some pretty damn terrible decisions.
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We'll agree generally on 20/20 hindsight. There was little reason nor calling for several of the teams that passed on Mitchell to take him.
However, we'll disagree on it being a "no-brainer" for the Hornets to take Monk over Mitchell. There were articles and columns locally here for weeks and weeks leading to the draft. Go with Monk, an athletic sniper who didn't play defense and had a reputation for not working hard and hope he grows up; or Mitchell, a dogged defender, hard worker and a slasher whose long arms helped him "play taller" than his listed height and hope that his shot develops over time? The Hornets' braintrust was reportedly pretty evenly divided, and the "tiebreaker" went to Jordan (a notoriously poor judge of talent as an NBA executive) and the then-GM Rich Cho, who made a grand total of one good draft pick in 7 years (Kemba).
Like the coach at the time (Steve Clifford) and a couple others in the organization, preferred Mitchell because I thought at the worst he had a chance to be another Kyle Lowry. I happened to be right on this one, but I've been plenty wrong other times.
And Luke Effen Kennard? Example No. 6883 of why the Pistons have sucked for years.
See, this is why I think Sam will get a good, long look. The NBA is intoxicated when it comes to perimeter shooting. I'm not even criticizing the intoxication, because I realize it's today's game. But the desperation to find shooters has led to some pretty damn terrible decisions.
Fair enough, I guess I wasn't super swayed by the knocks on Monk. They didn't seem too out of the ordinary for a 19 year old former McD AA who was very successful in his only collegiate year. Plenty of guys fix that with quickness in the NBA.
As for Kennard, totally agree. Whats funny, is that it was 5 years after they drafted Kyle Singler, who I feel like had a lot of similarities and was also an awful pro
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Fair enough, I guess I wasn't super swayed by the knocks on Monk. They didn't seem too out of the ordinary for a 19 year old former McD AA who was very successful in his only collegiate year. Plenty of guys fix that with quickness in the NBA.
As for Kennard, totally agree. Whats funny, is that it was 5 years after they drafted Kyle Singler, who I feel like had a lot of similarities and was also an awful pro
One of the fun debates sports gives us are the 20/20 hindsight draft rehashes. You obviously are right that much (most?) of the time they aren't really fair, but we're still kinda addicted to them.
Some are obvious, like passing on Carmelo, Bosh and Wade to take Darko -- I mean people were freakin' about that in real-time, especially passing on Carmelo. Others are more subtle.
With Mitchell, we now know that a bunch of teams passed on a guy who might be D-Wade 2.0. Fair? Hey, all's fair in love and fandom!
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This is insane. The Bucks D hasn’t even been that stifling, the Nets just are literally colder than any team I’ve ever seen since the Bucks in game 2
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This is insane. The Bucks D hasn’t even been that stifling, the Nets just are literally colder than any team I’ve ever seen since the Bucks in game 2
Only up 12. I missed the 1Q but why on earth does Giannis continue to take 3's? He's also 1-5 from the line.
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This is insane. The Bucks D hasn’t even been that stifling, the Nets just are literally colder than any team I’ve ever seen since the Bucks in game 2
you jinxed them. 30-11 first quarter for the Bucks, so far 15-2 for the Nets in the second.
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you jinxed them. 30-11 first quarter for the Bucks, so far 15-2 for the Nets in the second.
Apparently.
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The Bucks have 3 points in over 7.5 mins.in the 2nd Q. Their h-c offense is an absolute disaster. WTH is Budenholzer doing?
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Van Gundy is 100% correct. Giannis should not be initiating offense in their h-c sets. He has zero confidence in his jump shot and they are literally giving him a wide open look from 12 feet and beyond. He is 3 for 29 from distance in the playoffs. Enough. Get him off the ball. The Bucks look like they're in serious trouble. Durant has shot horribly and it's a 1pt game.
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Brook Lopez has one two point attempt. While playing a team that plays Blake Griffin, Kevin Durant, and Bruce Brown at the 5. And while watching Giannis shoot 7 three pointers, none of which are at the end of the shot clock.
Bud has absolutely gotta go. He didn’t learn from the Toronto series when they let Fred Van Vleet guard Brook and we still just had him float around the perimeter.
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Trying to win an isolation game against the greatest isolation team ever assembled in the history of the sport. Worked so well in game 2, let’s just run it back in game 3.
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No ball movement.
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Wow. A W is a W.
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Brook Lopez has one two point attempt. While playing a team that plays Blake Griffin, Kevin Durant, and Bruce Brown at the 5. And while watching Giannis shoot 7 three pointers, none of which are at the end of the shot clock.
Bud has absolutely gotta go. He didn’t learn from the Toronto series when they let Fred Van Vleet guard Brook and we still just had him float around the perimeter.
I'm with you. 8 threes for Giannis? WTF? He should take the 12-14 footer with confidence but axe launching triples. The Bucks must get Holiday and others involved in the offense or the next few games could be ugly.
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It was ugly, but they won. I wonder if that takes some pressure off them now that they got a W under their belts.
Granted, they aren’t really putting themselves in positions to succeed. Even Van Gundy said after a Giannis 3 that they really needed to get their best player a shot in his best spot. A Giannis 3 ain’t it.
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It was ugly, but they won. I wonder if that takes some pressure off them now that they got a W under their belts.
Granted, they aren’t really putting themselves in positions to succeed. Even Van Gundy said after a Giannis 3 that they really needed to get their best player a shot in his best spot. A Giannis 3 ain’t it.
Has Budenholzer or Giannis looked at his 3pt shooting percentage in the playoffs? His jumper and FTP should be much better. It's all mental. Stop hesitating and take the 12 footer but not the triple.
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Nice work by Smoe Middleton.
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The Bucks' overall 3pt percentage has been abysmal through three games. If they can ger it back on track they have a chance.
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Has Budenholzer or Giannis looked at his 3pt shooting percentage in the playoffs? His jumper and FTP should be much better. It's all mental. Stop hesitating and take the 12 footer but not the triple.
His jumper looked pretty smooth his second year. Now it’s a roller coaster if he can get a free throw off in time.
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Can't disagree with all the angst but seems to me that was a pretty decent defensive effort. Some great play by Lopez down the stretch.
Would be nice to get a few points out of Connaughton and Forbes.
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His jumper looked pretty smooth his second year. Now it’s a roller coaster if he can get a free throw off in time.
I believe he was a 73% FT shooter. His jump shot is an absolute dumpster fire and getting worse. What he needs to do imo is go to the Semi-J, meaning shooting it on the way up a la Curry. It's not that he has a bad jumper now, he has no jumper. Someone fked him up and it's quite sad.
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Donovan is exhibit A that college numbers are meaningless. Averaged 11 pts and 2 assists at Louisville.
It is all about skills and how they project at the next level.
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Mitchell is putting on a show for the Jszz. Hopefully they get Conley back.
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I believe he was a 73% FT shooter. His jump shot is an absolute dumpster fire and getting worse. What he needs to do imo is go to the Semi-J, meaning shooting it on the way up a la Curry. It's not that he has a bad jumper now, he has no jumper. Someone fked him up and it's quite sad.
Reminds me of what happened to Steve Sax
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I think I'll root for the Jazz the rest of the way. I love watching Mitchell, they have a lot of guys who play their roles very well, they are well-coached, their fans are loud and supportive, and they're as deserving of a title as anybody. They had the best record in the league, and yet before the playoffs everybody talked about the Nets, Lakers, Clippers, Sixers, Heat, even the Suns. And the fact that Wade is part of their new ownership group is the cherry on top.
The Suns seem very likeable too, and I'm a huge Jae fan. I'd like to see the Bucks come out of the East, but can they?
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I think I'll root for the Jazz the rest of the way. I love watching Mitchell, they have a lot of guys who play their roles very well, they are well-coached, their fans are loud and supportive, and they're as deserving of a title as anybody. They had the best record in the league, and yet before the playoffs everybody talked about the Nets, Lakers, Clippers, Sixers, Heat, even the Suns. And the fact that Wade is part of their new ownership group is the cherry on top.
The Suns seem very likeable too, and I'm a huge Jae fan. I'd like to see the Bucks come out of the East, but can they?
The Jazz need Conley. With him I think they're the most complete team. After the Bucks I'd be cool with Utah or Phoenix winning it. I think most people don't want Brooklyn.
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Cool stuff here. Good for Jrue and Juan
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31610564/portland-trail-blazers-carmelo-anthony-5-finalists-nba-kareem-abdul-jabbar-social-justice-champion-award (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31610564/portland-trail-blazers-carmelo-anthony-5-finalists-nba-kareem-abdul-jabbar-social-justice-champion-award)
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The Jazz need Conley. With him I think they're the most complete team. After the Bucks I'd be cool with Utah or Phoenix winning it. I think most people don't want Brooklyn.
Agree with all of this.
If the Nets do make the Finals, I hope Harden is healthy ... and I hope the West winner beats 'em!
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https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2021/6/11/22529547/kevin-durant-pj-tucker-fight-bodyguard-bucks-vs-nets-nba-playoffs
Hah. I thought this was just a Fiserv security guard who overstepped his roll and thought it was a bad look for the Bucks. Turns out the "security guard" is KD's personal body guard, who is on the Net's payroll. The NBA should step in and do something about this. If players cannot enter the court of play during scuffles, I can't imagine a personal body guard is allowed to...
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https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2021/6/11/22529547/kevin-durant-pj-tucker-fight-bodyguard-bucks-vs-nets-nba-playoffs
Hah. I thought this was just a Fiserv security guard who overstepped his roll and thought it was a bad look for the Bucks. Turns out the "security guard" is KD's personal body guard, who is on the Net's payroll. The NBA should step in and do something about this. If players cannot enter the court of play during scuffles, I can't imagine a personal body guard is allowed to...
There should be no circumstances in which someone's personal detail should be allowed. No wonder Ham was pissed breaking it up.
Otherwise we dissolve into anarchy and end up with something like this.
(https://a1.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=%2Fphoto%2F2009%2F0127%2Fncb_a_providence_300.jpg&w=267)
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There should be no circumstances in which someone's personal detail should be allowed. No wonder Ham was pissed breaking it up.
Otherwise we dissolve into anarchy and end up with something like this.
(https://a1.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=%2Fphoto%2F2009%2F0127%2Fncb_a_providence_300.jpg&w=267)
#NeverForget
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There should be no circumstances in which someone's personal detail should be allowed. No wonder Ham was pissed breaking it up.
Otherwise we dissolve into anarchy and end up with something like this.
(https://a1.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=%2Fphoto%2F2009%2F0127%2Fncb_a_providence_300.jpg&w=267)
I think this Jonathan Xavier gets a bad rap for coming onto the court. The man clearly took all the necessary steps by calling timeout before stepping on the court.
In all seriousness, I have to imagine the Nets or KD will be fined. Or at least they should.
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I think this Jonathan Xavier gets a bad rap for coming onto the court. The man clearly took all the necessary steps by calling timeout before stepping on the court.
In all seriousness, I have to imagine the Nets or KD will be fined. Or at least they should.
Jonathan's Cuddles > Wojo's
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I think this Jonathan Xavier gets a bad rap for coming onto the court. The man clearly took all the necessary steps by calling timeout before stepping on the court.
EASILY the most hilarious thing about that entire situation. The TO motion still cracks me up whenever I see it.
https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2021/6/11/22529547/kevin-durant-pj-tucker-fight-bodyguard-bucks-vs-nets-nba-playoffs
Hah. I thought this was just a Fiserv security guard who overstepped his roll and thought it was a bad look for the Bucks. Turns out the "security guard" is KD's personal body guard, who is on the Net's payroll. The NBA should step in and do something about this. If players cannot enter the court of play during scuffles, I can't imagine a personal body guard is allowed to...
I really want to hear KD's statement on this. Cause not only is the whole thing patently absurd, but Tucker and KD are friends off the court. Both have praised each other in the press. Tucker is locked in, super intense lunatic on the court and KD is ruthless as we all know. They always jaw at each other. It wasn't like some bad blood where people were gonna swing on each other.
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I never noticed the sweet handlebar on the security guard until now.
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He may be Durant's personal security guard, but he is employed by the Nets.
Fines and suspensions should happen. The security guard should be treated the same way that any fan who ran onto the court is treated. At a minimum, he should be banned from FiServ.
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He may be Durant's personal security guard, but he is employed by the Nets.
Fines and suspensions should happen. The security guard should be treated the same way that any fan who ran onto the court is treated. At a minimum, he should be banned from FiServ.
I would imagine that his salary is built into Durant's deal and he's employed by the Nets for access reasons, like this.
I agree he should be fined and suspended. But if he is indeed a Nets employee, he shouldn't be banned the same way a coach or trainer wouldn't be banned for the same. If he was truly a civilian in Durant's employ that rushed out of the stands, that would be a different story, but he's not. From all accounts he was on the Nets sideline and baseline all game.
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Jae is one win away from another conference final
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Jae is one win away from another conference final
Jae is a true impact player, even if he makes his money doing many of the little things that go unnoticed by all but his coaches, teammates and real close observers.
Defensively, he's doing much of what he did at Marquette, using his strength and intelligence to defend guys often much taller than he is. He has found himself isolated on Jokic in the post numerous times, and he has held his own.
Offensively, he's being used quite a bit differently than Buzz deployed him. He mostly hangs out around the 3-point line, waiting for kick-out passes from Paul or Booker. He does a great job of moving the basketball, making that "one more pass" to set up guys even more open than he is. And when he does shoot, he has made 43% of his 3s in the playoffs, and 52% in this series. At Marquette, he was more of a force in the lane because that's what we needed him to be.
One of my all-time favorites, a true warrior. Really happy for him for his NBA success.
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I really thought Lazar would have a long career out of the Lazar/Jae/Jimmy group. Jae, and especially Jimmy, vastly outperformed my expectations.
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Jae is a true impact player, even if he makes his money doing many of the little things that go unnoticed by all but his coaches, teammates and real close observers.
Defensively, he's doing much of what he did at Marquette, using his strength and intelligence to defend guys often much taller than he is. He has found himself isolated on Jokic in the post numerous times, and he has held his own.
Offensively, he's being used quite a bit differently than Buzz deployed him. He mostly hangs out around the 3-point line, waiting for kick-out passes from Paul or Booker. He does a great job of moving the basketball, making that "one more pass" to set up guys even more open than he is. And when he does shoot, he has made 43% of his 3s in the playoffs, and 52% in this series. At Marquette, he was more of a force in the lane because that's what we needed him to be.
One of my all-time favorites, a true warrior. Really happy for him for his NBA success.
I’m with you all the way, Mike. Very proud that Jae is an alum. Sad that his “kind” is no longer welcome at Marquette. Sadder still that so many Scoopers think that somehow makes us “special” and better than we were previously.
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I’m with you all the way, Mike. Very proud that Jae is an alum. Sad that his “kind” is no longer welcome at Marquette. Sadder still that so many Scoopers think that somehow makes us “special” and better than we were previously.
I think it’s sad that you still can’t apparently grasp the issue at hand even after it’s been explained to you repeatedly.
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I’m with you all the way, Mike. Very proud that Jae is an alum. Sad that his “kind” is no longer welcome at Marquette. Sadder still that so many Scoopers think that somehow makes us “special” and better than we were previously.
Jae's kind isn't welcome at Marquette?
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Jae's kind isn't welcome at Marquette?
Lenny’s really isn’t all that with it so we need to be patient and explain it to him multiple times.
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Lenny’s really isn’t all that with it so we need to be patient and explain it to him multiple times.
Explain yourself please.
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Jae's kind isn't welcome at Marquette?
In terms of being a juco with questionable academics to qualify, I think he is saying.
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Jae's kind isn't welcome at Marquette?
Obviously, Lenny is talking about JC players. We know why and that is on Buzz.
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Wojo recruited jucos. Believe he even had one on an official.
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Jae's kind isn't welcome at Marquette?
Correct. Gonna be a one and done with no intention of ever graduating? Welcome. Gonna be a freshman transfer who has no intention of graduating and is leaving after one year? Come on down.
But if you’re a juco who will be a semester short when your eligibility is up? No thanks. We don’t want your kind, MU is not for you. Anymore, at least.
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Correct. Gonna be a one and done with no intention of ever graduating? Welcome. Gonna be a freshman transfer who has no intention of graduating and is leaving after one year? Come on down.
But if you’re a juco who will be a semester short when your eligibility is up? No thanks. We don’t want your kind, MU is not for you. Anymore, at least.
The NCAA rules changed. MU wants to be eligible to play in the post season. They’ll take JUCOs who don’t hurt the chances of that.
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Explain yourself please.
I’ll explain for him, Chili. He’s been beating this “Lenny is forgetful, Lenny doesn’t get it, Lenny’s out of it” drum for awhile.
Not sure if he’s trying to be funny or if he’s just being a Dick. If the former, epic fail. If the latter, mission accomplished.
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I’ll explain for him, Chili. He’s been beating this “Lenny is forgetful, Lenny doesn’t get it, Lenny’s out of it” drum for awhile.
Not sure if he’s trying to be funny or if he’s just being a Dick. If the former, epic fail. If the latter, mission accomplished. Hi
Pretty good! Must have been a nice nap!
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The NCAA rules changed. MU wants to be eligible to play in the post season. They’ll take JUCOs who don’t hurt the chances of that.
Again explained repeatedly. Again Lenny’s doesn’t get it. Sad.
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NBA playoffs are soooooo much better with crowds.
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I’m with you all the way, Mike. Very proud that Jae is an alum. Sad that his “kind” is no longer welcome at Marquette. Sadder still that so many Scoopers think that somehow makes us “special” and better than we were previously.
Glad we had Jae. Loved watching him play. Enjoy hearing announcers often say our alma mater’s name in association with him.
I also have no problem with Marquette no longer allowing athletes who have no chance to graduate.
Both can be true.
I mean, I appreciate the contributions to Marquette of both Buzz and Crean, too. Breaking one of Scoop’s unwritten rules, I know.
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How serious is Kyrie's injury?
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How serious is Kyrie's injury?
Looked like the definition of a sprained ankle. Probably will swell up quite a bit and then really just come down to his pain tolerance.
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I also have no problem with Marquette no longer allowing athletes who have no chance to graduate.
No chance to graduate? With his “class”, sure - like lots of guys I knew at Marquette. But I’ll bet Jae is waaaay closer to graduating than Henry Ellenson, DJ Carton, Dawson Garcia and lots of other guys who have played basketball on scholarship at MU.
And according to Wades and Sultan, it’s not a “Marquette” rule, but an NCAA rule - if we broke it there’s no NCAA participation for us. And it’s been published ad infinitude on Scoop. I’ve never seen this new NCAA rule published on Scoop but Sultan says it’s delineation is ubiquitous here…
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No chance to graduate? I’ll bet Jae is waaaay closer to graduating than Henry Ellenson, DJ Carton, Dawson Garcia and lots of other guys who have played basketball on scholarship at MU.
And according to Wades and Sultan, it’s not a “Marquette” rule, but an NCAA rule - if we broke it there’s no NCAA participation for us. And it’s been published ad infinitude on Scoop. I’ve never seen this new NCAA rule published on Scoop but Sultan says it’s delineation is ubiquitous here…
I have no idea if it's an NCAA rule or not. Maybe TAMU knows.
Ellenson, Carton, Garcia and "lots of other guys" could work toward graduating with their class the day they registered as Marquette students. That the first two chose to leave college early, and third also might be doing so, is beside the point. And I'm pretty sure you know it.
I have no problem with what Marquette is doing regarding jucos who can't graduate. You do. Reasonable people can disagree.
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Nm
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No chance to graduate? With his “class”, sure - like lots of guys I knew at Marquette. But I’ll bet Jae is waaaay closer to graduating than Henry Ellenson, DJ Carton, Dawson Garcia and lots of other guys who have played basketball on scholarship at MU.
And according to Wades and Sultan, it’s not a “Marquette” rule, but an NCAA rule - if we broke it there’s no NCAA participation for us. And it’s been published ad infinitude on Scoop. I’ve never seen this new NCAA rule published on Scoop but Sultan says it’s delineation is ubiquitous here…
Yeah you obviously don’t understand NCAA APR.
A one and done who can graduate but leaves early on good academic terms doesn’t hurt your chances of playing in the post season. A guy coming in with no chance of graduating does hurt your chances of playing in the post season. So you have it wrong. But you’ll try to twist some words into pretzels because that’s what you do.
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Correct. Gonna be a one and done with no intention of ever graduating? Welcome. Gonna be a freshman transfer who has no intention of graduating and is leaving after one year? Come on down.
But if you’re a juco who will be a semester short when your eligibility is up? No thanks. We don’t want your kind, MU is not for you. Anymore, at least.
I guess I don't consider Jae's "kind" to be reduced down to his pre-Marquette academics. I consider Jae to be a fantastic person on and off the court who came from an extremely disadvantaged background. I expect Marquette will continue to recruit people like Jae who also meet the bare bones minimum requirements that Marquette requires for admission and I will be just as proud to call them alumni as I am to call Jae an alum.
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I think Kyrie is going to be out awhile.
Was that play a little dirty by Giannis? Seemed like he slid under him.
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I think Kyrie is going to be out awhile.
Was that play a little dirty by Giannis? Seemed like he slid under him.
I thought Giannis was just moving in for a rebound. When I saw replays, he didn't look down at where Kyrie might land and then put his foot there, or anything. I have no "proof" it wasn't dirty, but I see no reason to believe it was.
Late in the game, Van Gundy said something like: "Now Kevin Durant knows what it's like to be like most of the other superstars in this league." In other words, he isn't on a superteam if 2/3 of the supers aren't playing on the team.
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I think one of the other issues was KD got as unfriendly a whistle tonight as I’ve ever seen. I’m not saying it was unfair or some conspiracy, but KD gets reffed a certain way all year and most of the playoffs, but for whatever reason they allowed him to be played very rough and physically today. He still scored, but he had a tough time of it and was decked a few times I was shocked didnt draw whistles.
Another interesting thing, for anyone who wants a good estimation of the difference between the NBA and high level Euro/Euroleague basketball…Mike James was an absolute superstar the last 2-3 years for CSKA. Scoring PG extraordinaire who could get his looks at will and torch from outside….he’s been an absolute bum almost the entire playoffs
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Jae had 3 pts and took 1 shot(made it obviously) in that first qtr. And it was a stellar quarter for him.
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I guess I don't consider Jae's "kind" to be reduced down to his pre-Marquette academics. I consider Jae to be a fantastic person on and off the court who came from an extremely disadvantaged background. I expect Marquette will continue to recruit people like Jae who also meet the bare bones minimum requirements that Marquette requires for admission and I will be just as proud to call them alumni as I am to call Jae an alum.
Jae is a great representative of MU and one of my all time favorites .
I would disagree that Jae came from a disadvantaged background . Jaes father played in The NBA and has been heavily involved with Jaes career . From what i have read I would characterize Jaes situation as having some bad academic counseling in JC. To Jaes credit he has overcome all that and is in a great place .
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Jokic is gone, hello Suns sweep. Wow just wow.
CP3 is dominating in the mid-range.
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CP3 is dominating in the mid-range.
Impossible.
midrangenomatta
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Yeah you obviously don’t understand NCAA APR.
A one and done who can graduate but leaves early on good academic terms doesn’t hurt your chances of playing in the post season. A guy coming in with no chance of graduating does hurt your chances of playing in the post season. So you have it wrong. But you’ll try to twist some words into pretzels because that’s what you do.
Would it ding your APR a bit? Sure. You don’t make a habit out of it. But is bringing in a guy like Jae occasionally going to keep you out of the tournament? LOL.
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Jokic is gone, hello Suns sweep. Wow just wow.
CP3 is dominating in the mid-range.
What a joke of a call, no pun intended. They ejected him not because he hit anyone hard - it was a glancing blow at worst- but because of how hard his arm swung. And he clearly was making a play on the ball.
J hate to sound like old man/Charles Barkley, but that was a routine foul in the 90s.
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What a joke of a call, no pun intended. They ejected him not because he hit anyone hard - it was a glancing blow at worst- but because of how hard his arm swung. And he clearly was making a play on the ball.
J hate to sound like old man/Charles Barkley, but that was a routine foul in the 90s.
That was not a joke.
It was a brief lapse in judgment but the look on his face said it all, he lost his cool and fully wound up and swung his arm violently. Also, it very clearly hit Payne pretty good
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That was not a joke.
It was a brief lapse in judgment but the look on his face said it all, he lost his cool and fully wound up and swung his arm violently. Also, it very clearly hit Payne pretty good
Oh, please. Jokic is a 284-pound man. If he "got Payne pretty good," Payne would have been down for the count. The shot barely got him. Didn't even leave a mark.
Is it your position that NBA fouls should now be called not by the actual contact made, but on "the look on his face"? Farcical.
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What a joke of a call, no pun intended. They ejected him not because he hit anyone hard - it was a glancing blow at worst- but because of how hard his arm swung. And he clearly was making a play on the ball.
J hate to sound like old man/Charles Barkley, but that was a routine foul in the 90s.
I’d be totally fine with a Flagrant 1, the 2 was a bit too much for me. He lost his cool, but there was no bad intent and he got mostly ball. I think a very real question is “does Lebron/Curry/KD/Harden get tossed for that foul?” I don’t think so. Which is just interesting how Jokic is officiated/handled even as an MVP
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Oh, please. Jokic is a 284-pound man. If he "got Payne pretty good," Payne would have been down for the count. The shot barely got him. Didn't even leave a mark.
Is it your position that NBA fouls should now be called not by the actual contact made, but on "the look on his face"? Farcical.
No, my position on intent was the clear look on his face.
The foul was the contact.
Simple stuff really
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I thought it should have been a F-1.
Congrats to Jae for back to back conf Finals. They could very well win the chip. They're a complete team.
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Would it ding your APR a bit? Sure. You don’t make a habit out of it. But is bringing in a guy like Jae occasionally going to keep you out of the tournament? LOL.
So…set a limit on the number of “Jae’s type” you can have? That is okay, even though saying “Jae’s type is not welcome anymore” is…well, setting a limit on the number of “Jae’s type” you can have?
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Congrats to Jae and The Suns. Next series should be tougher but hope they win.
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So…set a limit on the number of “Jae’s type” you can have? That is okay, even though saying “Jae’s type is not welcome anymore” is…well, setting a limit on the number of “Jae’s type” you can have?
Not the same at all. My HS had a quota at Madison every year that limited the number of attendees per class. Two of my good friends from undergrad went to HS’s that has quotas at both our alma mater and OSU, once it became a academically competitive and desirable school in the last decade. Students from all were most certainly welcome at the respective schools, just a limit on how many on campus at a time. Same deal in this scenario.
As for the game tonight, for all the criticism and jokes and shade that’s been thrown at him, man watching Chris Paul play PG is a joy. He was absolutely unreal now and he’s really on the perfect team for his role and experience now. When he gets cooking, every mid range jumper that doesn’t fall feels like an absurd anomaly
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As for the game tonight, for all the criticism and jokes and shade that’s been thrown at him, man watching Chris Paul play PG is a joy. He was absolutely unreal now and he’s really on the perfect team for his role and experience now. When he gets cooking, every mid range jumper that doesn’t fall feels like an absurd anomaly
To me, he's been MVP of the playoffs so far.
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As for the game tonight, for all the criticism and jokes and shade that’s been thrown at him, man watching Chris Paul play PG is a joy. He was absolutely unreal now and he’s really on the perfect team for his role and experience now. When he gets cooking, every mid range jumper that doesn’t fall feels like an absurd anomaly
He's a 1st ballot HoF'er who has gotten a lot less criticism than guys like LeBron, Durant, and Westbrook, among others.
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Watching the replay of the Kyrie injury I can see how some might view that as a dirty play by Giannis. It didn't look intentional but it's like he tried to box him out while he was in the air? I'm just not sure what to think here.
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What a joke of a call, no pun intended. They ejected him not because he hit anyone hard - it was a glancing blow at worst- but because of how hard his arm swung. And he clearly was making a play on the ball.
J hate to sound like old man/Charles Barkley, but that was a routine foul in the 90s.
More of an indictment of 90s NBA.
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Watching the replay of the Kyrie injury I can see how some might view that as a dirty play by Giannis. It didn't look intentional but it's like he tried to box him out while he was in the air? I'm just not sure what to think here.
I just watched it again. I don't think he was trying to box out anybody. I think he simply was moving in for the rebound.
I don't watch the Bucks nearly as much as others here. Does Giannis have a history of or reputation for dirty play?
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To me, he's been MVP of the playoffs so far.
I like Chris Paul, and he had a dynamite series, but he should have been t'd up (or worse) for this. I know he and the Facu have a history.
https://twitter.com/DNVRMango/status/1404258037641232384 (https://twitter.com/DNVRMango/status/1404258037641232384)
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I like Chris Paul, and he had a dynamite series, but he should have been t'd up (or worse) for this. I know he and the Facu have a history.
https://twitter.com/DNVRMango/status/1404258037641232384 (https://twitter.com/DNVRMango/status/1404258037641232384)
I didn't see that until right now. That's weird. What's the context? Why did he do it? Why do you think the ref didn't T him up?
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I didn't see that until right now. That's weird. What's the context? Why did he do it? Why do you think the ref didn't T him up?
It probably goes back to the 2012 Olympics. He probably didn't get a T because stars get preferential treatment
https://slate.com/culture/2012/08/nicolas-batum-facundo-campazzo-there-is-an-epidemic-of-groin-punching-in-olympic-mens-basketball.html (https://slate.com/culture/2012/08/nicolas-batum-facundo-campazzo-there-is-an-epidemic-of-groin-punching-in-olympic-mens-basketball.html)
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So, with these Net injuries, can the Bucks win two more?
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I just watched it again. I don't think he was trying to box out anybody. I think he simply was moving in for the rebound.
I don't watch the Bucks nearly as much as others here. Does Giannis have a history of or reputation for dirty play?
No. Giannis is as straight up a player as you will find in this league. Just a lot of legs under the hoop - I think this is very different than your typical jumpshooter penalty. No idea what the rule says in terms of whether that should have been an F-1 by default. Seems like a bang-bang play that you can't really regulate out of the game.
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So, with these Net injuries, can the Bucks win two more?
If both Harden and Kyrie are out? Certainly seems possible.
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He's a 1st ballot HoF'er who has gotten a lot less criticism than guys like LeBron, Durant, and Westbrook, among others.
Cool, don’t see how that negates anything I said other than being unnecessarily contrarian. But do you man
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I just watched it again. I don't think he was trying to box out anybody. I think he simply was moving in for the rebound.
I don't watch the Bucks nearly as much as others here. Does Giannis have a history of or reputation for dirty play?
No reputation that I’m aware of. He did spear Dunleavy early on in his career and get ejected. If I remember right, Dunleavy had thrown a number of dirty elbows.
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No reputation that I’m aware of. He did spear Dunleavy early on in his career and get ejected. If I remember right, Dunleavy had thrown a number of dirty elbows.
That was the 2015 playoffs if I recall. Giannis was still a 20 year old super inexperienced dude who totally lost his cool in his first playoffs. Over the last 5 years, he's really done nothing that would even register as "dirty".
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The Kyrie injury was definitely not dirty.
Giannis was trying to do anything cheap there. Just was a unfortunate play.
Hopefully Kyrie can come back because as a neutral fan this series is much more entertaining if the Nets are not missing 2/3rds of their studs
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The Kyrie injury was definitely not dirty.
Giannis was trying to do anything cheap there. Just was a unfortunate play.
Hopefully Kyrie can come back because as a neutral fan this series is much more entertaining if the Nets are not missing 2/3rds of their studs
As a Bucks fan, I'm happy they are in a strong position and back in the mix. As a basketball fan, this series has been terrible viewing.
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As a Bucks fan, I'm happy they are in a strong position and back in the mix. As a basketball fan, this series has been terrible viewing.
Yeah. Games 1 and 4 were the best played games, and neither were really in any doubt for a majority of the game. I would love for the Bucks to have won this series against a fully healthy Nets team, but I'll take winning the series any way possible. They didn't take advantage of Harden going out in Brooklyn. I hope they take advantage of any breaks they get along the way going forward.
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As a Bucks fan, I'm happy they are in a strong position and back in the mix. As a basketball fan, this series has been terrible viewing.
Not at all what I was expecting or hoping for. Thought we'd get a continuation of what we saw in the regular season. But some of the stars (Jrue) or key role players (Joe Harris, where you at) have not been shining as bright.
Hope the Nets get at least one of their stars back to add some intrigue to this. Durant-Griffin-Harris is not better than Giannis-Khris-Jrue
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I would love for the Bucks to have won this series against a fully healthy Nets team
Chance of this happening was minuscule.
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So…set a limit on the number of “Jae’s type” you can have? That is okay, even though saying “Jae’s type is not welcome anymore” is…well, setting a limit on the number of “Jae’s type” you can have?
Prohibition is not the same as setting limits to stay within the rules. The fact that you think it is explains a lot.
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Prohibition is not the same as setting limits to stay within the rules. The fact that you think it is explains a lot.
Where's the limit then?
Seems incredibly contradictory. Shameful we don't allow these "types" into Marquette anymore...unless we can't play in the NCAA Tournament. Then we need to limit the number of these "types" we welcome.
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If both Harden and Kyrie are out? Certainly seems possible.
If they are out, the Bucks should be favored (probably heavily favored) to win the series.
When healthy, Durant always has been one of the very best players in the world ... but the same is true of LeBron, and he couldn't win with no help. Jordan couldn't, either.
Durant-Griffin-Harris is not better than Giannis-Khris-Jrue
This.
I also agree with Wags that the series has really stunk -- barely watchable at times. If I were a Bucks fan, though, I'd happily take it if they end up winning.
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If they are out, the Bucks should be favored (probably heavily favored) to win the series.
When healthy, Durant always has been one of the very best players in the world ... but the same is true of LeBron, and he couldn't win with no help. Jordan couldn't, either.
This.
I also agree with Wags that the series has really stunk -- barely watchable at times. If I were a Bucks fan, though, I'd happily take it if they end up winning.
This is 100% correct. The Bucks should win and be HEAVILY favored. Lost in this series is that the Bucks have not played well offensively. They hit a few threes yesterday but in general have shot the ball poorly and have taken poor shots. They should attack the rim at will and play far more disciplined and intelligent basketball. If they lose this series, with the Nets' injuries, it's a condemnation of the entire team and coaching staff. You drop the hammer, take no prisoners, and move on to the ECF. If the Bucks play anywhere near their capabilities they absolutely win this series.
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Where's the limit then?
Seems incredibly contradictory. Shameful we don't allow these "types" into Marquette anymore...unless we can't play in the NCAA Tournament. Then we need to limit the number of these "types" we welcome.
The limit? I don’t know, neither do you. Are all P6 conferences denying admittance to the Jae Crowders of the world? Is it illegal? If the answers are no and no, then why does MU need a specific policy against it? The BB coach and the AD make a lot of money and should be able to figure out how to navigate the APR highway. You obviously can’t fill your rosters with Jaes (or Wades, for that matter) but it’s not “contradictory” to make exceptions. Having a “No Jaes need apply” policy is (imo) dumb for both the basketball team and dumb for the university.
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Lenny, FFS Marquette isn't denying admittance to any basketball player and no one is saying "Jae's no need apply." Your hyperbolic, strawman arguments are so very Chicos. Which means they are pretty bad.
But you've picked this hill to die on...
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Lenny, FFS Marquette isn't denying admittance to any basketball player and no one is saying "Jae's no need apply." Your hyperbolic, strawman arguments are so very Chicos. Which means they are pretty bad.
But you've picked this hill to die on...
Sultan, FFS, it has been stated by MANY here (you, too?) that Marquette instituted a new policy (post Jae) to henceforth not accept as scholarship athletes any Jucos (maybe transfers, too?) who could not graduate within the time of their eligibility. This is (to my knowledge) not an NCAA rule but rather a Marquette policy. If these aren’t the facts by all means correct them - I’d love for it not to be true. If it is true:
1. Your statement that MU by policy is not denying admittance to any athletes is flat out false.
2. There is zero hyperbole, strawmen or Chicoian logic in my argument, only facts - at least as they’ve been reported here.
3. Nobody is dying on this hill but you.
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Sultan, FFS, it has been stated by MANY here (you, too?) that Marquette instituted a new policy (post Jae) to henceforth not accept as scholarship athletes any Jucos (maybe transfers, too?) who could not graduate within the time of their eligibility. This is (to my knowledge) not an NCAA rule but rather a Marquette policy. If these aren’t the facts by all means correct them - I’d love for it not to be true. If it is true:
1. Your statement that MU by policy is not denying admittance to any athletes is flat out false.
2. There is zero hyperbole, strawmen or Chicoian logic in my argument, only facts - at least as they’ve been reported here.
3. Nobody is dying on this hill but you.
You are the one who keeps bringing it up. Repeatedly. Then engaging it bad faith tactics. Repeatedly. That is the definition of dying on a hill Chicos.
But I guess you forget things easily these days.
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Sultan, FFS, it has been stated by MANY here (you, too?) that Marquette instituted a new policy (post Jae) to henceforth not accept as scholarship athletes any Jucos (maybe transfers, too?) who could not graduate within the time of their eligibility. This is (to my knowledge) not an NCAA rule but rather a Marquette policy. If these aren’t the facts by all means correct them - I’d love for it not to be true. If it is true:
1. Your statement that MU by policy is not denying admittance to any athletes is flat out false.
2. There is zero hyperbole, strawmen or Chicoian logic in my argument, only facts - at least as they’ve been reported here.
3. Nobody is dying on this hill but you.
My understanding is it is due NCAA rules in a way. By not being on track to graduate, it negatively impacts the APR.
We weren’t in a critical state, but our APR wasn’t trending the greatest. Our score for 2013 was 941 out of 1000. Below 930 over a certain period meant being ineligible for the NCAA tourney. Which I believe around this time UCONN and UWM were declared ineligible.
I would be surprised if MU isn’t in the majority with a policy like this. They can still accept JUCOs, but it is difficult due to the lack of a Physical Ed major.
https://painttouches.com/2013/06/11/apr-marquette-big-east/
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You are the one who keeps bringing it up. Repeatedly. Then engaging it bad faith tactics. Repeatedly. That is the definition of dying on a hill Chicos.
But I guess you forget things easily these days.
So you cite no inaccuracies, no hyperbole, no strawmen on my part - you just throw out the words. And your misstatements about MU’s policy re admissions of athletes? They go undefended because you know they’re untrue and are indefensible. Then toss out vague BS (bad faith “tactics”? LOL - WTF is that mumbo jumbo supposed to mean?) and your uniquely ridiculous definition of “hill dying”. Then top it off with a pathetic stab at humor and maybe a bit of ageism.
Take a break, man. You be happier and less angry. Scoop isn’t supposed to be a full time job.
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Embiid was a hot MVP candidate. Currently working on a scoreless second half as the Sixers blow a big lead by the entire team vanishing on offense
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My understanding is it is due NCAA rules in a way. By not being on track to graduate, it negatively impacts the APR.
We weren’t in a critical state, but our APR wasn’t trending the greatest. Our score for 2013 was 941 out of 1000. Below 930 over a certain period meant being ineligible for the NCAA tourney. Which I believe around this time UCONN and UWM were declared ineligible.
I would be surprised if MU isn’t in the majority with a policy like this. They can still accept JUCOs, but it is difficult due to the lack of a Physical Ed major.
https://painttouches.com/2013/06/11/apr-marquette-big-east/
Cheebs
Thanks for the reasonable response.
Marquette’s APR scores have been as follows:
2004-05 918
2005-06 927
2006-07 954
2007-08 970
2008-09 975
2009-10 980
2010-11 970
2011-12 960
2012-13 959
2013-14 949
2014-15 962
2015-16 966
2016-17 950
2017-18 955
2018-19 968
Those are the last figures I can find. Other than 2004-05 and 2005-06 we’ve never been under 930. Or particularly close to it. Jae’s situation may have given us a ding (don’t know how much, I confess I don’t know the calculations) but based on the numbers I surmise it wasn’t all that big a deal.
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Cheebs
Thanks for the reasonable response.
Marquette’s APR scores have been as follows:
2004-05 918
2005-06 927
2006-07 954
2007-08 970
2008-09 975
2009-10 980
2010-11 970
2011-12 960
2012-13 959
2013-14 949
2014-15 962
2015-16 966
2016-17 950
2017-18 955
2018-19 968
Those are the last figures I can find. Other than 2004-05 and 2005-06 we’ve never been under 930. Or particularly close to it. Jae’s situation may have given us a ding (don’t know how much, I confess I don’t know the calculations) but based on the numbers I surmise it wasn’t all that big a deal.
I believe the numbers you are quoting are 4-year rolling averages. So if our 4-year average declined from 980 to 949, it likely means there were a few years where we were close to or below 930.
Student athletes need to qualify with the NCAA and with the school they attend. It's possible to qualify with one but not the other. It doesn't mean the school is run by snobs, it just means that different academic institutions have different requirements for admission (and NCAA rules state that schools must hold athletes to the same admission standards they hold non-athletes). The P.E. credits factor into this as the NCAA will accept those but many schools (like MU) will not. Qualifying with the NCAA is easier but harder to "massage" if the student doesn't qualify. Qualifying with the school is typically harder but it is a lot easier for the school to massage their requirements to sneak a student in. I think when the APR scores approached the danger zone, MU decided there would be no more massaging (too bad Bo didn't follow suit). Personally, I don't have a problem with this. A basketball scholarship is earned on the court and by meeting very low academic requirements. You don't earn it academically, there are literally hundreds of deserving, talented recruits who have earned it...many of whom have come from disadvantaged situations. I'm proud to call Jae an alum because he's a fantastic rep on and off the court and I trust we'll continue to recruit quality individuals moving forward.
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Can we split this into a side thread? It’s the heart of the playoffs
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Can we split this into a side thread? It’s the heart of the playoffs
It could just be ended. It has been explained to Lenny many times over why the changes were made. The conversation should be over.
But you’re right. We know how this will go and it’s a different topic than the thread is.
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Lenny's just bookmark this topic in the future so you can remember how ridiculous your "Jae's type" arguments are?
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I believe the numbers you are quoting are 4-year rolling averages. So if our 4-year average declined from 980 to 949, it likely means there were a few years where we were close to or below 930.
There is both a yearly score and a 4 year rolling score. The numbers I quoted were published as yearly scores, not 4 year rolling scores. If the NCAA publishes the 4 year rolling scores anywhere I have been unable to find them.
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There is both a yearly score and a 4 year rolling score. The numbers I quoted were published as yearly scores, not 4 year rolling scores. If the NCAA publishes the 4 year rolling scores anywhere I have been unable to find them.
I’ll make this my last post, since I’ve kept this off the rails long enough.
Based on the NCAA website and the Paint Touches article I posted, you are using the multi-year scores. The NCAA’s annual score is made up of 4 years.
The article (which referenced a Jay Bee tweet) shows the single-year score for 2011-2012 was 941, which is factored into the 960.
Jay Bee probably understands this WAY better than me, but it seems after the new rules, we were back to increasing our score. I just don’t know how long that takes to actually impact the score.
We weren’t in danger of missing the NCAA, but we were trending towards the danger zone. I also seem to remember Larry’s policies were to get ahead of NCAA rule changes. I don’t know if those were ever implemented.
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So to sum it up, like was said from the very start (of the same argument for the 100th time), changes to NCAA rules were made, and "Jae's type" make it harder to remain eligible for post season play.
Do we need to continue with the circular argument of you trying to twist words into pretzels and being proven wrong over and over again some more Lenny? Or can we give it up now? At least for this occurrence of you bringing up "Jae's type?"
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There is both a yearly score and a 4 year rolling score. The numbers I quoted were published as yearly scores, not 4 year rolling scores. If the NCAA publishes the 4 year rolling scores anywhere I have been unable to find them.
As Cheebs explains, I believe you have the numbers reversed. The "yearly" numbers published by the NCAA are 4-year rolling averages. I'm honestly not certain where individual year scores are published.
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How ‘bout these NBA playoffs, eh?
Enormous opportunity for the Buckaroos tonight!
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Over/under on the number of Willis Reed references if Harden plays?
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Over/under on the number of Willis Reed references if Harden plays?
Since I don’t think he’d be in the game long, it would be pretty low. Starting with his lack of conditioning to get out of Houston and missing so much time lately, I doubt he’s in great game shape.
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They just need someone to take the pressure off of Durant because he'll be doubled and bumped every time he touches the ball.
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They just need someone to take the pressure off of Durant because he'll be doubled and bumped every time he touches the ball.
It will be interesting to see what Tucker gets away with on Durant. He’s been pretty physical. I have to imagine the Nets are lobbying the league for a tighter whistle on him.
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If they're going to call Tucker more tightly then they need to call Blake Griffin more tightly as well.
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Ken Mauer has just whistled PJ Tucker for his third foul.
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If they're going to call Tucker more tightly then they need to call Blake Griffin more tightly as well.
I think there are going to be a fair number of early whistles in this one.
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Glad Harden's playing, and I hope he's healthy enough to play well.
While I'm rooting for the Bucks in this one, I'm not a Bucks fan and I don't have any money on the game. Just want to see the best players play well and a good game for a change.
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It’s partially cause he’s backing up guys like Harden and Kyrie. But holy hell is Mike James is awful. If Im Bud, I double KD with James man and let him have anything he wants outside of 15 feet.
Speaking of awful, 4.25 games in, zero games in which both teams have even been competent at the same time. Unless something changes in the second quarter, this series is may be over.
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It’s partially cause he’s backing up guys like Harden and Kyrie. But holy hell is Mike James is awful. If Im Bud, I double KD with James man and let him have anything he wants outside of 15 feet.
Speaking of awful, 4.25 games in, zero games in which both teams have even been competent at the same time.
James is definitely pretty damn bad ha.
Nets just can't shoot for sh it right now. Green has knocked down a couple but Harris is a complete mess right now. Brown missed multiple wide open looks. Shamat had a Symir style brick.
Harden clearly toughing it out but just not himself. Can't drive at all.
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The Bucks should win this game easily. Holiday with two really dumb fouls.
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Bud did a good job of managing the foul situation there. When they move the ball they look really good. Sometimes they get lulled into playing isolation basketball and it is terrible and leaves a Nets team that is playing bad a chance to stay in the game.
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Agreed. Getting to halftime with only Jrue at 3 is a win.
Two other thoughts:
1. I'm amazed at how well Connaughton has played these last two games.
2. Harden is hurting his team when he's in.
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Jeff Green is the only Net consistently hitting shots. Stop leaving him wide open!
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TNT guys ragging on Bucks’ offense was something.
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Forget the fact that Harden, Harris and any player not named Durant, Green and maybe Griffin sucks.
The Nets literally allow the Bucks to shoot a wide open 3 every time after the Nets hit one.
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TNT guys ragging on Bucks’ offense was something.
Didn’t watch the halftime show. Games 2 and 3 it was an issue. Tonight the offense has looked great to me. Sure they have possessions where Khris or Giannis dribble too much and make it easy on the defense. But overall it’s looked great to me.
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Didn’t watch the halftime show. Games 2 and 3 it was an issue. Tonight the offense has looked great to me. Sure they have possessions where Khris or Giannis dribble too much and make it easy on the defense. But overall it’s looked great to me.
They want Lopez to post more. 🙄🙄
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Jeff Green is the only Net consistently hitting shots. Stop leaving him wide open!
Terrible job by the Bucks. Inexcusable they allowed the Nets back in the game. This guy is shooting practice triples and is in rhythm. Poor attention to detail by Budenholzer.
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Terrible job by the Bucks. Inexcusable they allowed the Nets back in the game. This guy is shooting practice triples and is in rhythm. Poor attention to detail by Budenholzer.
Do you always just blame the coach?
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This game will simply come down to whether or not Harden realizes that Durant is the winner.
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Do you always just blame the coach?
Not always. But he's not good FBM.
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Nets spread the floor with shooters and attacked. Smart move. Bucks don’t want to take their rim protector out but he has to respect Griffin’s shot.
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I actually agree with Grant Hill that the Bucks spent waaaaay too much of that third quarter going 1-on-1.
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I actually agree with Grant Hill that the Bucks spent waaaaay too much of that third quarter going 1-on-1.
Absolutely.
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Running the game through Durant. Smart move by Nash.
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Danger time. Will they get it together?
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Running the game through Durant. Smart move by Nash.
Yes. And the Bucks are letting him go 94 ft.
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Yes. And the Bucks are letting him go 94 ft.
No they aren’t. They are running him off pick and rolls.
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No they aren’t. They are running him off pick and rolls.
Completely disagree FBM. Double the guy immediately. Double him on the in bounds pass if you need to.
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Completely disagree FBM. Double the guy immediately. Double him on the in bounds pass if you need to.
I guess you weren’t paying attention earlier. When they do double and it’s opening up driving lanes all over.
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Completely disagree FBM. Double the guy immediately. Double him on the in bounds pass if you need to.
Weren't you just tilting about Green hitting open 3s??
I think every single one of them came after Durant doubles.
KD has 9 dimes. He is shredded them every way imaginable.
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I guess you weren’t paying attention earlier. When they do double and it’s opening up driving lanes all over.
You live with that. If Shamet or Brown beat you then you tip your cap. He should be doubled the second he touches the ball. Have you looked at Durant's 2nd half?
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Weren't you just tilting about Green hitting open 3s??
I think every single one of them came after Durant doubles.
KD has 9 dimes. He is shredded them every way imaginable.
Yep. Yep. Sometimes you just can’t guard the best player on the floor. Especially when others are hitting shots.
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They should probably leave Bud in Brooklyn. Let the team coach themselves the rest of the way. Dude is a deer in the headlines.
Durant is f-ing supernatural when he’s dialed in
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You live with that. If Shamet or Brown beat you then you tip your cap. He should be doubled the second he touches the ball. Have you looked at Durant's 2nd half?
Bitch when they double off Green. Bitch when they don’t. Hard to take you seriously.
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Bitch when they double off Green. Bitch when they don’t. Hard to take you seriously.
They just allowed Durant to catch the ball 15 feet from the rim and go one on one vs Middleton on an island. WTF FBM? The guy is like 15-20? Yes, Green has killed them but no one else has hit jack squat.
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They just allowed Duraht to catch the ball 15 feet from the rim and go one on one vs Middleton on an island. WTF FBM? The guy is like 15-20? Yes, Green has killed them but no one else has hit jack squat.
But you literally were complaining strictly about Green getting open 3s and you blamed it all on Bud. You cannot have it every way you want.
The coaching to allow Durant to absolutely shred them on pick and rolls was horrendous. Not many people will argue that.
But you are calling every defensive option on Durant bad and Buds fault. Doesn't work that way.
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Great players beat you sometimes. The Bucks need to answer when they’re on offense.
But every possession, whichever Buck has the ball at halfcourt goes 1-on-1. Holiday has been especially terrible, with several possessions reminiscent of the worst of Markus - dribble the clock down and then force a bad shot, with no teammate ever touching the basketball.
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But you literally were complaining strictly about Green getting open 3s and you blamed it all on Bud. You cannot have it every way you want.
The coaching to allow Durant to absolutely shred them on pick and rolls was horrendous. Not many people will argue that.
But you are calling every defensive option on Durant bad and Buds fault. Doesn't work that way.
Yep. Complaining about everything is exhausting.
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But you literally were complaining strictly about Green getting open 3s and you blamed it all on Bud. You cannot have it every way you want.
The coaching to allow Durant to absolutely shred them on pick and rolls was horrendous. Not many people will argue that.
But you are calling every defensive option on Durant bad and Buds fault. Doesn't work that way.
Both Green's threes and Durant isoing are Budenholzer's fault. Have you looked at the stats of the other Nets players?
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Sorry, but the last Buck possession suck. Giannis has a hampered Hardennon the block and settles for a 15-foot fadeaway.
The Nets will take that 100 times out of 100.
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My complaints are more on the offensive end right now.
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Both Green's threes and Durant isoing are Budenholzer's fault. Have you looked at the stats of the other Nets players?
So double team Durant and Green?
Have the other 3 Nets play 3 on 1?
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Both Green's threes and Durant isoing are Budenholzer's fault. Have you looked at the stats of the other Nets players?
Lol. I guess I’ll just have to ignore you in these threads.
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So double team Durant and Green?
Have the other 3 Nets play 3 on 1?
You get the ball out of Durant's hands. Period.
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My one question is one that many are probably wondering.
Why has Giannis a supposed DPOY not guarded Durant at all?
Unless Bud has flat out told him no. This falls on both coach and player imo.
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I really don’t know what you can do when he is hitting those shots. They are spreading the floor and the double teams have to come from far away. Middleton’s defense wasn’t bad there either.
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Dammit.
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You get the ball out of Durant's hands. Period.
"Terrible job by the Bucks. Inexcusable they allowed the Nets back in the game. This guy is shooting practice triples and is in rhythm. Poor attention to detail by Budenholzer."
That's you complaining about the ball leaving Durants hands.
This is some like multiple personality type stuff you got going on here.
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I really don’t know what you can do when he is hitting those shots. They are spreading the floor and the double teams have to come from far away. Middleton’s defense wasn’t bad there either.
The Bucks had no business losing this game FBM. We may disagree on particulars but I'm pretty sure you agree with this being a debacle.
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If the Bucks lose game 6, Bud will be fired.
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If the Bucks lose game 6, Bud will be fired.
Not sure Bud is back if they win game 6. No adjustments down the stretch, just banking on regression.
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My complaints are more the panic on the offensive end after running good offense all night. They respond by running isolations which hasn’t worked all series.
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My complaints are more the panic on the offensive end after running good offense all night. They respond by running isolations which hasn’t worked all series.
You’re right. It’s the same thing that has happened for 3 years in a row now.
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My complaint is you have two First Team All Defensive players and neither of them spent a single possession on the best player in the world who was going for a 49 point triple double.
Jrue should’ve spent the first two minutes on Harden and when you realized Harden was a statue he shouldn’t have spent a single possession guarding him. Instead Bud kept him glued to Harden for 48 minutes. That’s insanity.
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My complaint is you have two First Team All Defensive players and neither of them spent a single possession on the best player in the world who was going for a 49 point triple double.
Jrue should’ve spent the first two minutes on Harden and when you realized Harden was a statue he shouldn’t have spent a single possession guarding him. Instead Bud kept him glued to Harden for 48 minutes. That’s insanity.
I think in-game adjustments have always been Bud’s Achilles heel.
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My complaint is you have two First Team All Defensive players and neither of them spent a single possession on the best player in the world who was going for a 49 point triple double.
Jrue should’ve spent the first two minutes on Harden and when you realized Harden was a statue he shouldn’t have spent a single possession guarding him. Instead Bud kept him glued to Harden for 48 minutes. That’s insanity.
Jrue hasn’t played KD very well this series, but I don’t know why they kept Tucker or Giannis off of him at the end.
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In Muggsy’s defense …
In the 3Q, Durant wasn’t killing the Bucks on every possession. He’d be posting up and they kept using Green’s man to double him, leaving Green WIDE open. After awhile, you have to respect Green and at least keep somebody within a mile of him.
And then, down the stretch, Durant was absolutely on fire. On fire! So you say, “OK, even if we have to leave somebody else open, we have to do what we can to make things tougher for him.”
It’s an in-game adjustment.
Both can be true: You can’t leave Green wide, wide open in the 3Q when he keeps hitting 3s, AND you have to focus completely on Durant as he’s taking over down the stretch.
Having said all that, I think the Bucks lost because they stopped playing good team offense. Durant was gonna get his, but the Bucks blew possession after possession going 1-on-1.
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My complaints are more the panic on the offensive end after running good offense all night. They respond by running isolations which hasn’t worked all series.
Yea. I think the Bucks need a new coach, but it’s not all on him. It’s like Packer fans blaming McCarthy. Some of it is the same stuff as when Kidd was there. Giannis goes iso and isn’t dynamic enough to do that under pressure. Then Middleton goes iso and forces a tough shot.
I think the Bucks need a new voice, but I don’t think they are filled with high BBall IQ or calm under pressure guys in their star positions.
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In Muggsy’s defense …
In the 3Q, Durant wasn’t killing the Bucks on every possession. He’d be posting up and they kept using Green’s man to double him, leaving Green WIDE open. After awhile, you have to respect Green and at least keep somebody within a mile of him.
And then, down the stretch, Durant was absolutely on fire. On fire! So you say, “OK, even if we have to leave somebody else open, we have to do what we can to make things tougher for him.”
It’s an in-game adjustment.
Both can be true: You can’t leave Green wide, wide open in the 3Q when he keeps hitting 3s, AND you have to focus completely on Durant as he’s taking over down the stretch.
Having said all that, I think the Bucks lost because they stopped playing good team offense. Durant was gonna get his, but the Bucks blew possession after possession going 1-on-1.
Durant was killing them by passing out of the double teams as soon as they ran the offense through KD. They didn’t play Claxton all second half because the strategy was clear.
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If the Bucks lose game 6, Bud will be fired.
I think he will be if they lose Game 7.
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Yea. I think the Bucks need a new coach, but it’s not all on him. It’s like Packer fans blaming McCarthy. Some of it is the same stuff as when Kidd was there. Giannis goes iso and isn’t dynamic enough to do that under pressure. Then Middleton goes iso and forces a tough shot.
I think the Bucks need a new voice, but I don’t think they are filled with high BBall IQ or calm under pressure guys in their star positions.
Yeah I agree with this pretty much completely.
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My complaints are more the panic on the offensive end after running good offense all night. They respond by running isolations which hasn’t worked all series.
Yes. Their offense was terrible as well.
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There's a lot of blame to go around but the fact remains that this was a game the Bucks had no business losing. Personally, I saw terrible decision making on both ends of the floor and no adjustments down the stretch from their head coach. Am I wrong here?
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For most of the game, Harden was Junior Cadougan.
Kyrie was in street clothes.
Harris, Brown, Shamet, Claxton and James might as well have been middle-school players.
I’m Capt. Obvious here: You simply can’t lose that game if you’re the Bucks.
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Barkley being really tough on Bud. Said it was Really dumb coaching.
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There's a lot of blame to go around but the fact remains that this was a game the Bucks had no business losing. Personally, I saw terrible decision making on both ends of the floor and no adjustments down the stretch from their head coach. Am I wrong here?
You aren’t wrong. They went away from what worked on offense and didn’t adjust.
I think we saw that while Giannis has had MVPs, he’s a tier below the Durant’s, Lebron’s, and Curry’s of the world. He just can’t take over a game and lift his team like those guys.
We had a HOF player have a career game and Jeff Green went Jean Felix. But they certainly had many opportunities to win that game and shot themselves in the foot with really bad offense. They should not have lost that game.
That fadeaway by Giannis with Harden on him was the game in a nutshell. He hits it every once in awhile, but that’s not your best chance to succeed when you really need to go to your bread and butter.
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Hyperbole is a thing. I am guilty of it often.
I actually think this may be the dumbest thing I have ever read.
https://twitter.com/ReggieMillerTNT/status/1405001116794855424
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You aren’t wrong. They went away from what worked on offense and didn’t adjust.
I think we saw that while Giannis has had MVPs, he’s a tier below the Durant’s, Lebron’s, and Curry’s of the world. He just can’t take over a game and lift his team like those guys.
We had a HOF player have a career game and Jeff Green went Jean Felix. But they certainly had many opportunities to win that game and shot themselves in the foot with really bad offense. They should not have lost that game.
That fadeaway by Giannis with Harden on him was the game in a nutshell. He hits it every once in awhile, but that’s not your best chance to succeed when you really need to go to your bread and butter.
Agreed. I was also wondering why Giannis didn't check KD more down the stretch or at least move to the 5 and switch off the high screen? But you and others do make good points about the Bucks' offense in the 2nd half.
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Yea. I think the Bucks need a new coach, but it’s not all on him. It’s like Packer fans blaming McCarthy.
Its not all on Budd. it was pretty much all on McCarthy. Did you watch that Seattle game?
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Its not all on Budd. it was pretty much all on McCarthy. Did you watch that Seattle game?
Same theme. Playing not to lose.
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For most of the game, Harden was Junior Cadougan.
That's nonsense and an undeserved cheap shot at a decent player and the last good point guard we've had around here.
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Durant btw scored 31 pts in the 2nd half on 10-13 shooting.
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I think we saw that while Giannis has had MVPs, he’s a tier below the Durant’s, Lebron’s, and Curry’s of the world. He just can’t take over a game and lift his team like those guys.
We had a HOF player have a career game and Jeff Green went Jean Felix. But they certainly had many opportunities to win that game and shot themselves in the foot with really bad offense. They should not have lost that game.
That fadeaway by Giannis with Harden on him was the game in a nutshell. He hits it every once in awhile, but that’s not your best chance to succeed when you really need to go to your bread and butter.
So I took a bit to sit on the game and get past the disappointment. The only silver lining is, as a huge NBA fan, Durant is unreal and such a cheat code in literally every facet of the game, that you can only marvel at him.
But for me, looking at the Bucks, I think the BIGGEST issue, besides the offensive scheme breaking down repeatedly, their two "best" players, Middleton and Giannis, are pretty much zeros in the iso game. I think in a well run offensive set, the open court, or a fast/secondary break, Giannis is pretty much impossible to guard. But if you slow it down and have him beat a decent defender 1 v 1? He's lacking. Same for Middleton, great rhythm shooter, plays well off Giannis, but put him on an island with a plus defender? He can get buckets but he's not superlative there.
All of the above is what kills this Bucks team. You have a coach in Bud who struggles with in game adjustments and a 2 pronged scoring threat that is VERY susceptible to skilled and attuned half court coaching tweaks.
Also, Brook Lopez put up the quietest 15 pt game I can remember. He feels like a constant also-ran, even though his stats arent vastly different than the last 2 seasons.
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Wags, I have said this before, and you nailed it again. The biggest problem with the Bucks is they don't have a guy who you can give the ball to down the stretch and say "get us a basket." Running isolations in the fourth quarter is a strategy as old as the NBA itself. That's pretty much what the Nets were doing. And the reasons for it are simple. It's easy when the crowd is loud and the players are fatigued, running with a hot shooter works, etc. etc. etc. But the Bucks can't do that.
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https://theathletic.com/news/suns-chris-paul-enters-nbas-covid-19-health-and-safety-protocols-sources/AnqFCLjqlqkT
Chris Paul enters Covid protocols. He *may* have been vaccinated, but if he wasn't, that was extremely dumb.
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But for me, looking at the Bucks, I think the BIGGEST issue, besides the offensive scheme breaking down repeatedly, their two "best" players, Middleton and Giannis, are pretty much zeros in the iso game. I think in a well run offensive set, the open court, or a fast/secondary break, Giannis is pretty much impossible to guard. But if you slow it down and have him beat a decent defender 1 v 1? He's lacking. Same for Middleton, great rhythm shooter, plays well off Giannis, but put him on an island with a plus defender? He can get buckets but he's not superlative there.
Lord help me but... is it D'Antoni time?
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Lord help me but... is it D'Antoni time?
Have heard rumors he'd want the Bucks job. Please no. All isolation with a roster that is terrible in isolation. Plus more lack of defense.
I've wanted Juwan Howard since the middle of the college season. Obviously no proven track record of success in the NBA. But spent time under Spoelstra and played under Riley, should have the respect of the players, etc.
Have also heard rumors that Rick Carlisle would want the Bucks job. Would rather have him than Dantoni, but he does love isolation with Luka right now. Also hasn't won a Playoff series since he won the 2011 NBA title.
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Kawhi Leonard may be out for the rest of the playoffs. The Bucks are perhaps the healthiest team left. They STILL have every opportunity to get this done , advance to the ECF, and have a legitimate shot to win the chip. That lost last night was beyond inexcusable. That was a total meltdown on both ends of the floor and a self-inflicted mess. Will Budenholzer have this team ready to play and seize the moment? This could be great for MU, that's why I'm not happy about last night.
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Have heard rumors he'd want the Bucks job. Please no. All isolation with a roster that is terrible in isolation. Plus more lack of defense.
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Have also heard rumors that Rick Carlisle would want the Bucks job. Would rather have him than Dantoni, but he does love isolation with Luka right now. Also hasn't won a Playoff series since he won the 2011 NBA title.
Fair. Not sure if D'Antoni has any desire to party like its 2006 anymore. Anything resembling his offense in Houston would be no bueno.
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They STILL have every opportunity to get this done , advance to the ECF, and have a legitimate shot to win the chip.
I would be shocked beyond belief if the Bucks manage to win the next two games. I think it will go seven, but would not even be surprised to see it end in six. Sorry, they just don't play team ball enough. When things are going well, it seems like individual players start to believe everything will go in and just start jacking it. Last night's game was critical.
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Kawhi Leonard may be out for the rest of the playoffs. The Bucks are perhaps the healthiest team left. They STILL have every opportunity to get this done , advance to the ECF, and have a legitimate shot to win the chip. That lost last night was beyond inexcusable. That was a total meltdown on both ends of the floor and a self-inflicted mess. Will Budenholzer have this team ready to play and seize the moment? This could be great for MU, that's why I'm not happy about last night.
Assuming CP3 covid doesnt protocol doesnt have him miss time against the Jazz. The Suns are probably the healthiest team.
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I would be shocked beyond belief if the Bucks manage to win the next two games. I think it will go seven, but would not even be surprised to see it end in six. Sorry, they just don't play team ball enough. When things are going well, it seems like individual players start to believe everything will go in and just start jacking it. Last night's game was critical.
Wut? They play very good team ball, almost too much, but when the scheme isn’t working or they are tired or the defense is dialed in, they are lacking iso excellence to break out of slumps. Claiming a team isn’t playing “team basketball” and just hero ball is the most tired trope when an NBA team isn’t playing well. The Bucks offense has broken down in the playoffs year over year when teams haven’t they figured out, and it’s not cause guys are trying to do too much and Jack shots
As for D’Antoni, please no. He was an innovator and ahead of his time, but he’s not the guy to get a team over the hump
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I'd have to go back and watch the Nets comeback again, but it sure felt like they were targeting Lopez a ton and the Bucks had no answer. And given how well things went Sunday playing small I'm furious that they didn't play it that way sooner. By the time Bud woke up and made the change, the momentum was already firmly with Brooklyn and it was too late. Too many soft switches on high ball screens, poor communication on others. It was a disaster.
As for the offense, the fact that they had Harden out there for 40 minutes and didn't attack him more than a few times is malpractice. I don't have a problem with iso ball when it's used correctly. There were a handful of times when Holiday had Harden up top, and rather than spread the floor and let him cook they brought a ball screen which brought help or a switch. Just dumb f*cking basketball for the last 19 minutes of the game.
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I'd have to go back and watch the Nets comeback again, but it sure felt like they were targeting Lopez a ton and the Bucks had no answer. And given how well things went Sunday playing small I'm furious that they didn't play it that way sooner. By the time Bud woke up and made the change, the momentum was already firmly with Brooklyn and it was too late. Too many soft switches on high ball screens, poor communication on others. It was a disaster.
Was Bobby Portis hurt? He didn't play yesterday at all, and if you are going to go small, that's the guy you bring in, and with his experience is going to manage PnR better than Lopez did.
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I'd have to go back and watch the Nets comeback again, but it sure felt like they were targeting Lopez a ton and the Bucks had no answer. And given how well things went Sunday playing small I'm furious that they didn't play it that way sooner. By the time Bud woke up and made the change, the momentum was already firmly with Brooklyn and it was too late. Too many soft switches on high ball screens, poor communication on others. It was a disaster.
As for the offense, the fact that they had Harden out there for 40 minutes and didn't attack him more than a few times is malpractice. I don't have a problem with iso ball when it's used correctly. There were a handful of times when Holiday had Harden up top, and rather than spread the floor and let him cook they brought a ball screen which brought help or a switch. Just dumb f*cking basketball for the last 19 minutes of the game.
Outstanding synopsis. Spot-on/100% accurate.
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Was Bobby Portis hurt? He didn't play yesterday at all, and if you are going to go small, that's the guy you bring in, and with his experience is going to manage PnR better than Lopez did.
Bud was asked about that, and his answer is pretty infuriating. “We just kind of went with more of a spread court, more spacing. Bobby is going to be ready. He’ll be ready to go and help us whenever we need him.”
The other thing that really drove me nuts was picking KD up as far out as they did. It let them get into their action sooner to give him more space to get downhill. And if left guys like Griffin and Green open on the perimeter and they punished it.
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I'd have to go back and watch the Nets comeback again, but it sure felt like they were targeting Lopez a ton and the Bucks had no answer. And given how well things went Sunday playing small I'm furious that they didn't play it that way sooner. By the time Bud woke up and made the change, the momentum was already firmly with Brooklyn and it was too late. Too many soft switches on high ball screens, poor communication on others. It was a disaster.
As for the offense, the fact that they had Harden out there for 40 minutes and didn't attack him more than a few times is malpractice. I don't have a problem with iso ball when it's used correctly. There were a handful of times when Holiday had Harden up top, and rather than spread the floor and let him cook they brought a ball screen which brought help or a switch. Just dumb f*cking basketball for the last 19 minutes of the game.
My recollection is Durant really got going when he could get a screen from the guy Lopez was guarding, and Lopez sunk to protect the paint and Durant had pretty open elbow jumpers.
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Bud was asked about that, and his answer is pretty infuriating. “We just kind of went with more of a spread court, more spacing. Bobby is going to be ready. He’ll be ready to go and help us whenever we need him.”
But that answer makes no sense to me. Portis makes a lot more sense than Brook does under that philosophy. In fact, that answer is so bizarre it makes me wonder if he didn't play for an injury or some other reason, and Bud is protecting the player.
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Not that you need validation from me or anybody else, but ... several good comments, MUfan12.
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Kareem told ESPN the Bucks are a “great team” but that they need “a better approach” as an organization.
Asked if he thought this Bucks team can win an NBA title, he said:
“No, I don’t.”
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Kareem told ESPN the Bucks are a “great team” but that they need “a better approach” as an organization.
Asked if he thought this Bucks team can win an NBA title, he said:
“No, I don’t.”
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/kareem-abdul-jabbar-doesnt-think-this-bucks-team-is-capable-of-winning-a-title-k-d-would-kill-those-guys/
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Call me crazy but I expect the Bucks to win in 7.
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It won't be the first time you've been called crazy.
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It won't be the first time you've been called crazy.
You're supposed to be on my side Tower!
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Call me crazy but I expect the Bucks to win in 7.
This isn't crazy.
Next game at home, they will be fired up. I expect double digit win. They can win game 7 unless Bud implodes again. Unlikely that kd goes off like that again and more unlikely Green scores 27 again. They can win the series for sure, but I have already prepared myself for the worst.
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Not sure if this was already posted. Chris Paul out for Covid 19 protocol. That will not help The Suns and Jae's cause.
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1405143542675165190
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Sixers are one of the worst second half teams I can remember. They just sleepwalk
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Sixers are one of the worst second half teams I can remember. They just sleepwalk
They dont have killers.
Simmons is a complete joke. Like embarrassing how he hasnt improved shooting a basketball. And actually getting worse.
Embiid is a lot like Giannis. Make him shoot in the clutch. Guy wilts.
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Wow. Wasn't Philly up like 25?
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As a Bucks fan I feel better after watching the 76ers exceed Milwaukee in bedwetting
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Simmons is a complete joke. Like embarrassing how he hasnt improved shooting a basketball. And actually getting worse.
This came up a few weeks ago when people objected to Simmons being called lazy after he just finished second in DPOY. This is a prime example. If he had a jump shot, he’d be near unstoppable, and he’s done seemingly nothing to get himself there. His performance from the FT line today was one of the most pathetic things I’ve ever seen from a “superstar”. Dude was making Giannis look like Steph Curry from the line.
Also, I love the dude and he’s a great guy and a good coach, but it might be time to start having a conversation about Doc. Since the Big 3 in Boston, he’s never made it past the conference semis and lost in the first round/missed the playoffs more years than he’s won a first round matchup. And it’s always been with good rosters.
The Sixers had a near 20 point lead they blew last game and had a 99.7% win probability late in the 3rd quarter tonight
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Just last year, Doc's Clippers team held a 3-1 lead in the conference semis and a seven point lead heading into the fourth quarter of Game 5. They were outscored by 13 in the fourth and lost the next two.
Again, I love the guy for his MU connections, but I would have no interest in him as a Bucks' coach should they fire Bud.
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This came up a few weeks ago when people objected to Simmons being called lazy after he just finished second in DPOY. This is a prime example. If he had a jump shot, he’d be near unstoppable, and he’s done seemingly nothing to get himself there. His performance from the FT line today was one of the most pathetic things I’ve ever seen from a “superstar”. Dude was making Giannis look like Steph Curry from the line.
Also, I love the dude and he’s a great guy and a good coach, but it might be time to start having a conversation about Doc. Since the Big 3 in Boston, he’s never made it past the conference semis and lost in the first round/missed the playoffs more years than he’s won a first round matchup. And it’s always been with good rosters.
The Sixers had a near 20 point lead they blew last game and had a 99.7% win probability late in the 3rd quarter tonight
I was thinking the same about our friend Glenn, and I'm sad that I am.
As for Simmons, how would you like to be the organization that was stuck giving a max deal to that guy? They had no choice, really -- kind of the Joe Mauer Syndrome -- but wow. If I were coaching against the Sixers, I'd send him to the line 10 times a game (20 shots), minimum.
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As for Simmons, how would you like to be the organization that was stuck giving a max deal to that guy? They had no choice, really -- kind of the Joe Mauer Syndrome -- but wow. If I were coaching against the Sixers, I'd send him to the line 10 times a game (20 shots), minimum.
There were a number of proposed and theorized trades about Simmons to the Warriors given their pick situation. Honestly, it’s kind of a perfect fit for him. If he’s surrounded with shooters and he can be a distributor and transition scorer, he can still be an excellent mismatch of a PG. But if you can sag on him at all, forget about it
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If you were coaching Milwaukee what would you do about Giannis' shot? It's a complete disaster as are his free throws. The bottom line is, regardless of Budenholzer's issues or his teammates, is that he has to be able to shoot the ball as a #1. And it's gotten much worse imo. He is literally being given a 12 foot jumper. I'm wondering what his overall percentage is beyond 5 feet from the rim? My guess is under 35%? 30%? He shot 73% from the line one season, this is primarily mental. I think they are still very capable of getting to the Finals with the injuries, and other guys haven't shown up, but it's on Giannis to figure out how to make easy J's and FT's.
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At da end of da dey, peddle his ass, hey?
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If you were coaching Milwaukee what would you do about Giannis' shot? It's a complete disaster as are his free throws. The bottom line is, regardless of Budenholzer's issues or his teammates, is that he has to be able to shoot the ball as a #1. And it's gotten much worse imo. He is literally being given a 12 foot jumper. I'm wondering what his overall percentage is beyond 5 feet from the rim? My guess is under 35%? 30%? He shot 73% from the line one season, this is primarily mental. I think they are still very capable of getting to the Finals with the injuries, and other guys haven't shown up, but it's on Giannis to figure out how to make easy J's and FT's.
As he added strength he got more mechanical with his shot. Rookie year he had a lower release, but it was smoother. If he kept that shot with his body now he'd miss everything long.
He hand picked his shooting coach and wants to work his way. That needs to change. Personally, I'd speed him up. See what the shot looks like instinctually when he doesn't have time to think about it. If that means a lower release point so be it, he's tall enough it won't get blocked.
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At da end of da dey, peddle his ass, hey?
They probably will after the current ownership group cashes out and the next group needs to cut costs.
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As he added strength he got more mechanical with his shot. Rookie year he had a lower release, but it was smoother. If he kept that shot with his body now he'd miss everything long.
He hand picked his shooting coach and wants to work his way. That needs to change. Personally, I'd speed him up. See what the shot looks like instinctually when he doesn't have time to think about it. If that means a lower release point so be it, he's tall enough it won't get blocked.
It’s amazing to me how little touch he has around the rim. He threw up some floaters last game that were rocks.
I think he just thinks too much and is robotic. For his free throws, I’d probably just have him dribble once and fire. I don’t think it would be any worse at this point.
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Carlisle out in Dallas.
That's a guy I'd like to see linked to the vacant Bucks job next week.
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Carlisle out in Dallas.
That's a guy I'd like to see linked to the vacant Bucks job next week.
I like Carlisle, but no thanks. In the last decade since winning the title, he has won....ZERO playoff series.
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This game also sucks. I know injuries played a role, but two of the most exciting and entertaining teams in the league have combined for a bunch of atrocious basketball
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This game also sucks. I know injuries played a role, but two of the most exciting and entertaining teams in the league have combined for a bunch of atrocious basketball
I have been alternating between this and golf, so I've only seen bits and pieces. But so far, from what I've seen, it looks like the Bucks aren't double-teaming Durant much. They are content with making him work for 2-pointers and not leaving shooters wide open from 3.
No matter the defense on him, Durant is gonna get his. Harden is a shell of himself and Kyrie isn't playing. Don't let the scrubs beat you.
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Questionable if da smoes kan hang on, aina?
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I have been alternating between this and golf, so I've only seen bits and pieces. But so far, from what I've seen, it looks like the Bucks aren't double-teaming Durant much. They are content with making him work for 2-pointers and not leaving shooters wide open from 3.
No matter the defense on him, Durant is gonna get his. Harden is a shell of himself and Kyrie isn't playing. Don't let the scrubs beat you.
The Bucks are only playing iso ball in the 4th. Should be up 20+.
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This game also sucks. I know injuries played a role, but two of the most exciting and entertaining teams in the league have combined for a bunch of atrocious basketball
Fair point
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Questionable if da smoes kan hang on, aina?
Knot a wurd, nu?
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Bucks went small this game. Much easier to switch every pick. Smart move.
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Bucks went small this game. Much easier to switch every pick. Smart move.
Agreed.
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Sew Bud's a genius now, hey?
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Sew Bud's a genius now, hey?
Not exactly. In fact this series should be over and Tues was an inexcusable loss.
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Ass kickin', aina?
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Should I bet the farm on the Bucks winning G7? I'd like to retire before the age of 40. Or will they flame out to a depleted team?
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Should I bet the farm on the Bucks winning G7? I'd like to retire before the age of 40. Or will they flame out to a depleted team?
I have zero confidence in any of my teams in games like this, so I am expecting a comfortable Nets win. I really hope I’m wrong and the Bucks show up poised and shoot well from 3.
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I have zero confidence in any of my teams in games like this, so I am expecting a comfortable Nets win. I really hope I’m wrong and the Bucks show up poised and shoot well from 3.
Fair enough. They're the far better team with the Nets' injuries, but their lack of poise is worrisome.
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Should I bet the farm on the Bucks winning G7? I'd like to retire before the age of 40. Or will they flame out to a depleted team?
It's the Bucks so... you should never bet on them winning anything substantial.
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Sew Bud's a genius now, hey?
Not a genius, but not as bad as some here think he is.
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I have zero confidence in any of my teams in games like this, so I am expecting a comfortable Nets win. I really hope I’m wrong and the Bucks show up poised and shoot well from 3.
This is where I'm at. It just so rarely ends well for them that I can't expect anything.
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Right. After the last few years of Packers and Brewers playoff defeats, I am thoroughly conditioned to a heartbreaking Bucks loss on Saturday.
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This is where I'm at. It just so rarely ends well for them that I can't expect anything.
I get that but truthfully I think they should win and are the much better team with the Nets' injuries.
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Should I bet the farm on the Bucks winning G7? I'd like to retire before the age of 40. Or will they flame out to a depleted team?
Oh, absolutely.
Hurry up and get all the $$$ you have -- take out a second mortgage, cash in your 401ks, etc.
The Bucks certainly have proven they're a sure thing!
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Right. After the last few years of Packers and Brewers playoff defeats, I am thoroughly conditioned to a heartbreaking Bucks loss on Saturday.
Game 5 was the closest I've felt to the 2014 NFCC game against Seattle.
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Wow. 32 pt 2nd half swing in the Jazz/Clippers game. Freaking crazy stuff. Golbert is a liability vs small ball.
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Quin Snyder has been paralyzed for almost the entire 2nd half.
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The Clippers are on their way to an 80 pt 2nd half. At what point do you say to yourself what we're doing defensively isn't working? What an absolute meltdown from the Jazz.
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The Clippers are on their way to an 80 pt 2nd half. At what point do you say to yourself what we're doing defensively isn't working? What an absolute meltdown from the Jazz.
Must be a Duke thing
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Doc's connection to Duke is....?
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Doc's connection to Duke is....?
His son Austin played there for like 9 months, so pretty close ties.
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It's amazing to think Reggie Jackson is playing on a min contact. The guy has been unconscious in the games I've watched and I assume a lot of teams could have had him. And it's not just threes, he's making plays all over the floor.
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It's amazing to think Reggie Jackson is playing on a min contact. The guy has been unconscious in the games I've watched and I assume a lot of teams could have had him. And it's not just threes, he's making plays all over the floor.
Mr. June!
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It's amazing to think Reggie Jackson is playing on a min contact. The guy has been unconscious in the games I've watched and I assume a lot of teams could have had him. And it's not just threes, he's making plays all over the floor.
Cause Reggie Jackson thinks he’s the best player on the court whenever he’s out there. And he only has 2 modes, lethal scorer or poor shot taking liability. Unfortunately for him, he shows a lot of the latter over the last few years and that’s why he is on what he is on.
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Cause Reggie Jackson thinks he’s the best player on the court whenever he’s out there. And he only has 2 modes, lethal scorer or poor shot taking liability. Unfortunately for him, he shows a lot of the latter over the last few years and that’s why he is on what he is on.
I get it JWags but the guy has litt it up. His EFG % is .636 in the playoffs. He's also .923 from the FT line and has relatively few turns. Having sone swag isn't a bad thing in the playoffs.
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It's amazing to think Reggie Jackson is playing on a min contact. The guy has been unconscious in the games I've watched and I assume a lot of teams could have had him. And it's not just threes, he's making plays all over the floor.
NM
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The Clippers are on their way to an 80 pt 2nd half. At what point do you say to yourself what we're doing defensively isn't working? What an absolute meltdown from the Jazz.
Great coaching by Lue. Spread out the offense and render Gobert ineffective defensively. DPOY can’t decent away from the rim.
Oh, and have a character from Field of Dreams go off to the point fans say, “Kawhi who?”
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Uhhh....Holiday and Middleton need to wake the H up for the Bucks to win this game. Very poor shot selection.
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Giannis is morphing inta a smoe. Petrified of Blake, hey?
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Uhhh....Holiday and Middleton need to wake the H up for the Bucks to win this game. Very poor shot selection.
Holiday is killing the Bucks so far.
… And now Giannis with an airball FT.
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Giannis is morphing inta a smoe. Petrified of Blake, hey?
Lol no. He's roasted blake 4 games in a row. Nothing to do with him.
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Sphincter tightenin' up, aina?
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Holiday is killing the Bucks so far.
… And now Giannis with an airball FT.
Holiday and Middleton are a combined 4 for 21. And they're only down 5. They need to take the mid-range J with confidence after the blow by. But in general there's too much iso ball and very little patience from Milwaukee.
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#34 needs ta book an appt wit a sports shrink, hey?
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How James Harden is reffed is a complete embarrassment. Hilarious that the guy who coaches James Harden is also the guy who goes to the media talking about how other players do things that “aren’t basketball.”
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Bucks peed themselves bye blowin' game 5. Durant can get points wit ease. Bucks game sucks ass and adios Bud. Nets win bye 20, hey?
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Giannis isn’t the problem.
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#34 needs ta book an appt wit a sports shrink, hey?
One thing I have realized in my time on Scoop. You know jack sh*t about basketball.
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How many points duz he have in da paint, hey?
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Holiday and Middleton couldn't have played worse in the 1st half. Very disappointing....but they're only down 6. I'm perplexed at what Holiday is doing out there. Because he's a very solid player. Nerves?
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How James Harden is reffed is a complete embarrassment. Hilarious that the guy who coaches James Harden is also the guy who goes to the media talking about how other players do things that “aren’t basketball.”
Point well taken BLM.
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One thing I have realized in my time on Scoop. You know jack sh*t about basketball.
Lol, duz dat include da tyme usin' udder screen names, orr only Fluffy BM, hey?
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Lol, duz dat include da tyme usin' udder screen names, orr only Fluffy BM, hey?
Yep.
I know you have a problem with Giannis. 15 points on 5/9. More than fine. He isn’t the problem tonight.
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How James Harden is reffed is a complete embarrassment. Hilarious that the guy who coaches James Harden is also the guy who goes to the media talking about how other players do things that “aren’t basketball.”
I agree. He initiates contact and gets the call.
Honestly, if you told me they’d be down 6 at half before the game, I’d be pretty relieved. Hopefully Middleton can get going or someone locates the real Jrue. Got some momentum at the end there with Giannis and Lopez going inside.
I also never in a million years would have thought Brook Lopez was the Nets all-time leading scorer.
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Come out wit it. Don't leave us hangin'. Watt's da problem, hey?
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Come out wit it. Don't leave us hangin'. Watt's da problem, hey?
Clearly it’s Middleton and Holiday shirverling up like turtles. Put Giannis on Durant and let the DPOY go…
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Clearly it’s Middleton and Holiday shirverling up like turtles. Put Giannis on Durant and let the DPOY go…
My only issue with that is his energy level looks low. I don’t know if he’s sick or hurt, but I don’t know if he can keep with Durant.
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I agree. He initiates contact and gets the call.
Honestly, if you told me they’d be down 6 at half before the game, I’d be pretty relieved. Hopefully Middleton can get going or someone locates the real Jrue. Got some momentum at the end there with Giannis and Lopez going inside.
I also never in a million years would have thought Brook Lopez was the Nets all-time leading scorer.
Agreed. Don't you think the Bucks should stop Durant from going hard right when he iso's from the top? The Bucks have no chance of winning this game if Middleton doesn't wake up. He needs to be far more patient with his shot selection. I would also play Forbes a bit to see if he can get the triple going. Attack the paint mercilessly, play power hoops. Then move the ball inside out in lieu of mickey-mouse iso ball with the lateral dribble.
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Throw Bud inta da fryer two doe. Bucks have no ball movement on offense and puttin' Holiday on Durant wuz just stupid. As for #34, he's no alpha dog, hey?
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No foul on that Giannis drive? WTF??
Time to get Middleton going.
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Joe Harris is an absolute trainwreck
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Joe Harris is an absolute trainwreck
He may have read your text.
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Joe Harris is an absolute trainwreck
He made one!!
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Speaking of disasters? Holiday???? Point blank miss.
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Throw Bud inta da fryer two doe. Bucks have no ball movement on offense and puttin' Holiday on Durant wuz just stupid. As for #34, he's no alpha dog, hey?
Giannis is running this team right now.
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Giannis is running this team right now.
He’s come out great. Hope he can take them to the finish. His kicking out to shooters has been great the last few games.
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Fouls are hurting the Bucks.
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Bud needs to sit Holiday. Talk to him for a few mins, see if he can find a way to focus. Absolutely killing them.
He may have read my text before that drive and dish to Giannis?
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Bucks in prime position to win this game. Force Durant left and bring help.
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Bucks are looking a little tired here. Giannis with the bad decision at the end there seemed partially due to fatigue.
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Bucks are looking a little tired here. Giannis with the bad decision at the end there seemed partially due to fatigue.
The Nets should be more tired.
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Holiday is driving me nuts. Wow...just wow.
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Careless. Can't happen.
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Bucks blew their shot in game 5. NBA was NEVER letting Brooklyn lose game 7 at home.
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Bucks blew their shot in game 5. NBA was NEVER letting Brooklyn lose game 7 at home.
There have been a few questionable calls.
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Get the effin ball out of Durant's hands.
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Bucks gonna pull it off
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Sweet Jesus!! Have to get that rebound.
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WTH was that? Holiday should have given the ball back to Middleton. Let's go now.
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You have got to be kidding me!! Ughhh.
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Unfreaking real.
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Just knew that was gonna happen
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Shocker. Let's allow Durant to go one on one. Fk.
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Moral victory is it was a 2
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Forbes for the W?
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What an absolute meltdown on the inbound. Brook Lopez=Brandon Bostick
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Bucks gonna pull it off
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Bucks have the ball, up 2, with 15 secs left. They have Holiday dick around with the ball instead of getting the rock to Middleton. Mistake #1. Then they get a break and have two full secs to get a shot, after a time-out, and get diddly squat. Mistake #2. Then Brooklyn gets the ball, they have arguably the best scorer In history, and you allow him to go one on one. Mistake #3. Absolutely and totally inexcusable.
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Great block by Lopez.
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Never a doubt!!!
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YES!!!
Never a doubt.
Bucks winning helps MU.
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That was easy!!
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If Hawks can beat Philly then the Bucks have a decent chance to win it all.
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Bucks got outworked majority of OT...but only gave up 2 points. Color me impressed.
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Giannis: 50 minutes, 40 points, 13 rebs
Not an alpha player aiina?
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I’m shocked.
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Congrats to the Bucks. Huge defensive plays by Lopez and Holiday down the stretch. They might never have a better shot at the Finals than they do now.
Related: The Nets actually would have had a chance had Lopez missed one of his FTs, but I don’t think they knew it.
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Congrats to the Bucks. Huge defensive plays by Lopez and Holiday down the stretch. They might never have a better shot at the Finals than they do now.
Related: The Nets actually would have had a chance had Lopez missed one of his FTs, but I don’t think they knew it.
Actually, no. Can't rebound & shoot in 0.3 seconds. A Nets player would have had to punch the rebound and hope it went in 94 feet away. I would say that is impossible.
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A quick shout out to Joe Harris for his performance in this series. :)
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Actually, no. Can't rebound & shoot in 0.3 seconds. A Nets player would have had to punch the rebound and hope it went in 94 feet away. I would say that is impossible.
Well, Lopez could have missed the first and made the second.
Also, the Nets still had a timeout, at least according to the TV graphics.
It’s a moot point. Just was a strange ending with guys hugging even though they had a chance.
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Bucks blew their shot in game 5. NBA was NEVER letting Brooklyn lose game 7 at home.
C’mon wades. Conspiracy theories not only are beneath you, they are proven wrong so often. Or maybe the NFL actually wanted the Bills to make 4 straight Super Bowls!
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C’mon wades. Conspiracy theories not only are beneath you, they are proven wrong so often. Or maybe the NFL actually wanted the Bills to make 4 straight Super Bowls!
Ask him about Arrieta some time. :-\
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C’mon wades. Conspiracy theories not only are beneath you, they are proven wrong so often. Or maybe the NFL actually wanted the Bills to make 4 straight Super Bowls!
Well, the NBA wanted the Sixers in the Finals in 2001…..
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Bucks peed themselves bye blowin' game 5. Durant can get points wit ease. Bucks game sucks ass and adios Bud. Nets win bye 20, hey?
Trolls gotta troll. Let me guess. Phi/Atl in 4 right?
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Gotta say, thought the 3 possessions at the end of the first half when Jrue was on Durant, and he literally got whatever he wanted would be the end of things, but credit to Bud, when PJ was in foul trouble/out, he put Khris on KD and he did an excellent job. Almost makes up for the play drawn up at the end of regulation, WTF was that? Brook in the corner with no outlet???
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Giannis: 50 minutes, 40 points, 13 rebs
Not an alpha player aiina?
Therrapee musta werked
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Gotta say, thought the 3 possessions at the end of the first half when Jrue was on Durant, and he literally got whatever he wanted would be the end of things, but credit to Bud, when PJ was in foul trouble/out, he put Khris on KD and he did an excellent job. Almost makes up for the play drawn up at the end of regulation, WTF was that? Brook in the corner with no outlet???
Lopez didn't seem to understand time and score. Even if you throw up a wild shot and catch rim, that's 1-2 seconds in the air, another second for the rebound, and Brooklyn has to go the length of the court in 3 seconds to get a look. Not impossible, but just throwing up a shot, which he had plenty of time to do, would've likely ended it. And who knows, maybe he would've made some wild chuck, like 2008.
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Lopez didn't seem to understand time and score. Even if you throw up a wild shot and catch rim, that's 1-2 seconds in the air, another second for the rebound, and Brooklyn has to go the length of the court in 3 seconds to get a look. Not impossible, but just throwing up a shot, which he had plenty of time to do, would've likely ended it. And who knows, maybe he would've made some wild chuck, like 2008.
And that's seems to be what Middleton said to him immediately after.
BTW, on the subsequent Durant shot that tied the game, Jrue was coming over to double Durant, but he spun away from the double-team before he shot the ball. So this idea that Bud called some terrible defensive play doesn't really hold up. Durant is just one of the great shot makers of this era.
Link to the video:
https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/status/1406449820856815618?s=20
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I think the Bucks have to be feeling really good. Holiday had a rough series but he was instrumental in the 4th last night. I expect him to play much better in the next round. Now, I'm not sure why the bench isn't playing but they have a great opportunity to win the whole thing. Giannis having that kind of the game on the road bodies very well for Milwaukee.
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One of the criticisms of Bud was that he uses too many bodies at times. Well, now you can shorten the rotation to benefit from that rest.
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One of the criticisms of Bud was that he uses too many bodies at times. Well, now you can shorten the rotation to benefit from that rest.
Yea, he’s definitely learned from the Toronto ECF. I don’t know if it would have mattered because the wall seemed to stump Giannis that year, but Kawhi getting to go against our bench for 10 mins a game that year was suboptimal.
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Gotta say, thought the 3 possessions at the end of the first half when Jrue was on Durant, and he literally got whatever he wanted would be the end of things, but credit to Bud, when PJ was in foul trouble/out, he put Khris on KD and he did an excellent job. Almost makes up for the play drawn up at the end of regulation, WTF was that? Brook in the corner with no outlet???
Watching replays, it looks like Lopez was the third option on the play. The other 2 ended up getting covered. That happens all the time.
Not knowing the shot clock - even though it was accentuated during the timeout - was on Lopez.
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When the game is on the line the Bucks need to give Middleton the ball. So before that in bounds play the Bucks made a terrible mistake. The guy is 6'8, a bona fide all-star, can create his own space, and is a very good shooter. There is no reason known to man why Holiday should have been holding the ball and then going one on one. Especially when he was like 5-21. Middleton is the best option in these situations and should get the rock. The shot Middleton made in overtime is a shot he can get pretty consistently.
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The Chris Paul situation is pretty interesting. Apparently he's vaccinated. So, if that's the case, what's the protocol for his return? I assume he's getting tested regularly. Does this mean he's getting positive tests? Delta variant?
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The Chris Paul situation is pretty interesting. Apparently he's vaccinated. So, if that's the case, what's the protocol for his return? I assume he's getting tested regularly. Does this mean he's getting positive tests? Delta variant?
My only other thought is does he have myocarditis? Is the NBA testing and holding people out for that like the Big Ten was?
I would think he was having symptoms of Covid otherwise as someone vaccinated, he wouldn’t need to be tested right? Or is NBA protocol different?
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My only other thought is does he have myocarditis? Is the NBA testing and holding people out for that like the Big Ten was?
I would think he was having symptoms of Covid otherwise as someone vaccinated, he wouldn’t need to be tested right? Or is NBA protocol different?
I thought he was originally being held out because he broke their rules? Maybe he does have symptoms, I dunno, but according to what I just heard on the radio he has been vaccinated.
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Feels like a State Farm commercial set up.
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Lopez didn't seem to understand time and score. Even if you throw up a wild shot and catch rim, that's 1-2 seconds in the air, another second for the rebound, and Brooklyn has to go the length of the court in 3 seconds to get a look. Not impossible, but just throwing up a shot, which he had plenty of time to do, would've likely ended it. And who knows, maybe he would've made some wild chuck, like 2008.
The Nets had a TO to advance the ball.
But yeah, if Lopez just chucks up the shot it wastes at least half the clock. Gives potential for a wild rebound etc..
And then ultimately gives the Nets less time to get their shot on the other end.
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Bucks peed themselves bye blowin' game 5. Durant can get points wit ease. Bucks game sucks ass and adios Bud. Nets win bye 20, hey?
You are impressively clueless.
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Was it just me or did Giannis have more arc on his 3s and free throws in Game 7? That first 3 he made, it looked much higher than normal.
I agree with Barkley, he shouldn’t be shooting them, but seemed like he made an adjustment on it
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Was it just me or did Giannis have more arc on his 3s and free throws in Game 7? That first 3 he made, it looked much higher than normal.
I agree with Barkley, he shouldn’t be shooting them, but seemed like he made an adjustment on it
I was thinking that on his FTs, and thought maybe I was seeing things. I didn't notice on his 3s.
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Was it just me or did Giannis have more arc on his 3s and free throws in Game 7? That first 3 he made, it looked much higher than normal.
I agree with Barkley, he shouldn’t be shooting them, but seemed like he made an adjustment on it
You're correct Cheebs. And he looked good with that J 16 feet and in. That's a shot he can get at will and make consistently. If he can get that on track, with the free throws, Marquette kids will be playing in the same arena as the best player in the NBA.
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Huge adjustment in the 2nd half was to put Giannis on Brown instead of Blake. Nets love to use Brown as a screen & roll guy. The adjusted eventually but there was a period of time where the Nets were using brown to screen, bringing Giannis into the play. He blew everything up.
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Big win for Jae and the Suns to open the series.
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That was a fantastic basketball game.
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I really like this Suns team. A lot of talented young players and a couple of key vets.
Jae was great today.
Hopefully Paul is back soon.
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I really like this Sins team. A lot of talented young players and a couple of key vets.
Jae was great today.
Hopefully Paul is back soon.
I know from experience that you Never Trust the Bucks, but if the Bucks don't pee themselves, the Suns are the one team that could give the Bucks a run
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Simmons just passed up a dunk because he was afraid he might get fouled.
Hawks back way off him, daring him to shoot 10-footers.
Supermax contract for a tall Derrick Wilson.
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Clippers. Sixers. Maybe Doc is the problem.
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Clippers. Sixers. Maybe Doc is the problem.
Because the 6ers had so much success before Doc arrived.
Maybe it’s the fact that their team is built around a guy with a 70 year old body and a point guard who is scared to shoot the ball.
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No wonder JFB hated this team
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How do nba playoff refs miss such a blatant travel as Morton who clearly landed from his jump before shooting?
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How do nba playoff refs miss such a blatant travel as Morton who clearly landed from his jump before shooting?
Have a hot date and a plane to catch?
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Is ATL a better match-up for Milwaukee?
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Simmons just passed up a dunk because he was afraid he might get fouled.
Hawks back way off him, daring him to shoot 10-footers.
Supermax contract for a tall Derrick Wilson.
Derrick hit a few during TBT. :)
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Seriously, what do you do about Simmons? I guess you trade him to a bad team, along with draft picks, just to unload the contract.
Sixers are effed. Time to re-start The Process.
BTW, this means the NBA playoffs have no Juan, no Wes, no Jimmy, no Markus, no D-Wade and no Rivers.
Jae is the Last Warrior Standing!
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Is ATL a better match-up for Milwaukee?
Yes. Holiday on Trae Young will be fun to watch. But I think this sets up very well for the Bucks.
Seriously, what do you do about Simmons? I guess you trade him to a bad team, along with draft picks, just to unload the contract.
Sixers are effed. Time to re-start The Process.
Simmons for CJ McCollum and others? I think he could actually work with Dame. They could use his defensive help
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Yes. Holiday on Trae Young will be fun to watch. But I think this sets up very well for the Bucks.
Simmons for CJ McCollum and others? I think he could actually work with Dame. They could use his defensive help
Bucks in 6?
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Bucks in 6?
Gentleman's sweep. Bogdan goes off in one.
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Gentleman's sweep. Bogdan goes off in one.
Huerter can play. Is DeAndre Hunter coming back?
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Huerter can play. Is DeAndre Hunter coming back?
No. Season ending knee surgery
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Huerter can play. Is DeAndre Hunter coming back?
No. And with very few exceptions, Khris Middleton is not Seth Curry on defense.
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This seems like a series the Bucks should win. It's certainly a great opportunity.
Omg Ben Simmons took a total of 3 shots in 7 Games during the 4th Q. Incredible stat.
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Atlanta, unlike Philly, can spread you out and shoot it from deep. They can also get out and run in transition. This is a worse matchup for the Bucks, as Philly would not be able to expose Brook in the pick and roll like Trae will. But Atlanta isn’t as good defensively and if the Bucks just play decent they should win this thing in 6 or less. They’re the better team. Just have to execute.
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Yes. Holiday on Trae Young will be fun to watch. But I think this sets up very well for the Bucks.
Simmons for CJ McCollum and others? I think he could actually work with Dame. They could use his defensive help
Agree about the ECF setting up very well for the Bucks, a much better all-around team. I'll say Milwaukee in 5.
And I like that trade idea ... though again, I'm guessing the Sixers would have to give up a ton just to move Simmons.
Just saw a stat on the postgame show:
Ben Simmons -- the starting PG on a team that fancied themselves as legit title contenders, one of the two faces of the franchise, a guy on a supermax contract -- made 3 shots in the fourth quarter in the 7-game series. Even more damning: He took zero fourth-quarter shots in the last 4 games. That's right, the "star" PG went 0-for-0 in the fourth quarter of four playoff games!
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Agree about the ECF setting up very well for the Bucks, a much better all-around team. I'll say Milwaukee in 5.
And I like that trade idea ... though again, I'm guessing the Sixers would have to give up a ton just to move Simmons.
Just saw a stat on the postgame show:
Ben Simmons -- the starting PG on a team that fancied themselves as legit title contenders, one of the two faces of the franchise, a guy on a supermax contract -- made 3 shots in the fourth quarter in the 7-game series. Even more damning: He took zero fourth-quarter shots in the last 4 games. That's right, the "star" PG went 0-for-0 in the fourth quarter of four playoff games!
Astounding stat. Was Doc asked about it? Why would he even play in the 4Q if he refused to shoot the ball?
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Astounding stat. Was Doc asked about it? Why would he even play in the 4Q if he refused to shoot the ball?
He and Joel just trolley problemed Ben Simmons.
https://twitter.com/rich_hofmann/status/1406817068813635586?s=19 (https://twitter.com/rich_hofmann/status/1406817068813635586?s=19)
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He and Joel just trolley problemed Ben Simmons.
https://twitter.com/rich_hofmann/status/1406817068813635586?s=19 (https://twitter.com/rich_hofmann/status/1406817068813635586?s=19)
Jojo didn't sound happy. He made a lot of excuses frankly. I haven't watched Simmons all that much but I think he should probably play the 4.
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Astounding stat. Was Doc asked about it? Why would he even play in the 4Q if he refused to shoot the ball?
I didn't see Rivers' postgame interview. But based on a question that was asked of Simmons (which I saw on the TNT show), it sounds like Rivers said he and Simmons had a lot of work to do before next season.
Jojo didn't sound happy. He made a lot of excuses frankly. I haven't watched Simmons all that much but I think he should probably play the 4.
I don't think Simmons does enough dirty work to play the 4 ... and he sure as shyte ain't a stretch-4! He makes Giannis look like KD!
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Jojo didn't sound happy. He made a lot of excuses frankly. I haven't watched Simmons all that much but I think he should probably play the 4.
Embiid, for all of his shooting, was not great tonight. 8 TOs are inexcusable. But he deserves better than his current supporting cast.
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I think Atlanta is capable of going bananas from distance. The Bucks need to keep Trae off the FT line. I definitely think Milwaukee is the favorite but hopefully they don't settle and Giannis attacks with ferocity but intelligence. I don't see a lot of bodies on AtL that can stop him.
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The area where people party outside at Fiserv, "The Deer District" do they have beer and food stands?
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The area where people party outside at Fiserv, "The Deer District" do they have beer and food stands?
The Deer District includes like a dozen bars/restaurants
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The Deer District includes like a dozen bars/restaurants
I'm talking about the immediate spot where people are congregating and jumping around. Not the restaurants/bars across the street or on 3rd. I'm just curious if there are beer and food vendors right there?
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I'm talking about the immediate spot where people are congregating and jumping around. Not the restaurants/bars across the street or on 3rd. I'm just curious if there are beer and food vendors right there?
What's shown on TV isn't the whole Deer District. Think of that area as the front yard. From there you can access a corridor that is surrounded by a dozen bars on each side. These aren't the bars on 3rd st, they're newly constructed since the Fiserv opened. I've never been during a game but my understanding is that you can move freely (as freely as you can when its packed) from the area that's shown on TV to the rest of the Deer District for all your refreshment needs. I don't believe there are any beer/food stands in the area you are talking about
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Bobby Portis averaged 11 points and 7 rebounds a game. His disappearance is very weird.
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What's shown on TV isn't the whole Deer District. Think of that area as the front yard. From there you can access a corridor that is surrounded by a dozen bars on each side. These aren't the bars on 3rd st, they're newly constructed since the Fiserv opened. I've never been during a game but my understanding is that you can move freely (as freely as you can when its packed) from the area that's shown on TV to the rest of the Deer District for all your refreshment needs. I don't believe there are any beer/food stands in the area you are talking about
Thx. I didn't realize what they actually considered the "deer district". Now, we need to get that area packed for MU games.
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What's shown on TV isn't the whole Deer District. Think of that area as the front yard. From there you can access a corridor that is surrounded by a dozen bars on each side. These aren't the bars on 3rd st, they're newly constructed since the Fiserv opened. I've never been during a game but my understanding is that you can move freely (as freely as you can when its packed) from the area that's shown on TV to the rest of the Deer District for all your refreshment needs. I don't believe there are any beer/food stands in the area you are talking about
Correct. However, during the Toronto series in 2019 there were a few pop up drink stands run by the bars in the courtyard that were selling cause there was a huge screen set up
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Bobby Portis averaged 11 points and 7 rebounds a game. His disappearance is very weird.
I was wondering if he's hurt... but while his defense improved this year he's not the guy I want on KD, ever. I think he'll see much more time in the ATL series basically because ATL is a much worse team and the Bucks should be able to get the starters down below 40 mpg and still win.
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BLM is right though. Atlanta can just put the ball in the basket. It isn't inconceivable that they can win this series simply by outscoring the Bucks four times in shoot-out games.
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Jojo didn't sound happy. He made a lot of excuses frankly. I haven't watched Simmons all that much but I think he should probably play the 4.
Simmons isn't a power forward. He's not a bad point guard from a handling perspective, but he either can't shoot or has a tremendous mental block. He likely needs a change of scenery but is likely untradeable with that contract.
The Sixers just looked like a mismatched collection of parts, and I'm not sure Doc is that great a coach these days anyway.
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Simmons isn't a power forward. He's not a bad point guard from a handling perspective, but he either can't shoot or has a tremendous mental block. He likely needs a change of scenery but is likely untradeable with that contract.
The Sixers just looked like a mismatched collection of parts, and I'm not sure Doc is that great a coach these days anyway.
NBA GMs are very creative. There have been many "untradeable" players who have ended up being traded. It requires being willing to give up assets -- usually draft picks -- just to get a team (usually a bad team) with cap room to take a player off your hands. It also sometimes requires taking another bad contract in exchange, but maybe it will be a shorter-term bad contract. I mean, Miles Plumlee had a disastrous contract, and yet GMs managed to trade him twice.
As for Rivers, unfortunately I agree that he certainly has not shown coaching greatness in many years. And I'm not sure Philly will be the place for him to restore his reputation. Of course, he doesn't "need" that anyway. He is a multimillionaire who could be a broadcasting star again if he wants to.
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BLM is right though. Atlanta can just put the ball in the basket. It isn't inconceivable that they can win this series simply by outscoring the Bucks four times in shoot-out games.
That's my fear. They have a little "bubble Miami" vibe to them.
The Bucks have struggled to guard teams like Atlanta who can spread them out... it really neutralizes the impact Brook and Giannis have defensively. Even with homecourt, I would have rather seen Philly.
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How Lopez does defensively is an issue with the way they spread the floor. You know ATL will try to exploit that. What in the world happened to Portis? You would think he could be valuable in this series.
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Simmons isn't a power forward. He's not a bad point guard from a handling perspective, but he either can't shoot or has a tremendous mental block. He likely needs a change of scenery but is likely untradeable with that contract.
The Sixers just looked like a mismatched collection of parts, and I'm not sure Doc is that great a coach these days anyway.
I just watched the clip where Simmons passed up the wide open dunk. Wow.
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“Respect to the Milwaukee Bucks in how they prepare, how they challenged us all series and made adjustments all series. We’ve got nothing but respect for that ballclub.” -- Kevin Durant
"Bud is the worst. His teams are never prepared. He never makes good adjustments. He deserves no respect." -- some Scoopers
"Iz dat wojo kohching da Does now? Fyre hiz azz, and hav hymn tayk Greek Freek wit him, oona?" -- Doc Dribble
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I think Holiday can win the matchup with Young more often than not. I don't think Atlanta wins without Young going nuclear multiple games.
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“Respect to the Milwaukee Bucks in how they prepare, how they challenged us all series and made adjustments all series. We’ve got nothing but respect for that ballclub.” -- Kevin Durant
"Bud is the worst. His teams are never prepared. He never makes good adjustments. He deserves no respect." -- some Scoopers
"Iz dat wojo kohching da Does now? Fyre hiz azz, and hav hymn tayk Greek Freek wit him, oona?" -- Doc Dribble
Fair, but Durant’s comments seem from the standard script for what to say in that situation.
I will say, I think Bud has coached much better in these playoffs than the past 2.
For not being rivals, the Hawks and Bucks are a little intertwined. Bud having fairly similar tenures in both spots. The Bogdan debacle this summer. I believe the Hawks were the main team targeting Giannis in the draft.
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I think Holiday can win the matchup with Young more often than not. I don't think Atlanta wins without Young going nuclear multiple games.
Last 4 games, Trae Young was 36/102 and 12/38 from 3. If he puts up those pedestrian chucker numbers, the Bucks win going away IMO
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I just watched the clip where Simmons passed up the wide open dunk. Wow.
Seeing all the reactions to it made me think it was going to be worse than it was. Yes, he has to dunk that, but it looked like he lost his momentum, when he was grabbed on his roll to the hoop, and the help defender was largely already there. He dumped it off to the guy that could go up with momentum.
Not good, but not terrible.
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"Bud is the worst. His teams are never prepared. He never makes good adjustments. He deserves no respect." -- some Scoopers
Credit where it's due, he has been much better in the last two games. They didn't take the bait defensively as much like the second half of G5.
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Seeing all the reactions to it made me think it was going to be worse than it was. Yes, he has to dunk that, but it looked like he lost his momentum, when he was grabbed on his roll to the hoop, and the help defender was largely already there. He dumped it off to the guy that could go up with momentum.
Not good, but not terrible.
I agree. Obviously someone like Giannis is throwing that down, but it wasn’t overly awful. It looked like he bobbled the ball a bit on his way up too. I anticipated him being alone under the basket and kicking it out.
I at least see a case for passing it. However, you’d expect someone at his level to throw it down.
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Credit where it's due, he has been much better in the last two games. They didn't take the bait defensively as much like the second half of G5.
Agreed.
I don't watch the Bucks enough to know if Bud is a "good coach" or "bad coach," but I have watched several of their playoff games, including most in the series vs. the Nets.
In the NBA, your stars have to go 1-on-1 sometimes, but I do wish the Bucks wouldn't settle for long, long stretches of playing 1-on-1 because they are better when they move the ball. Defensively, though, I agree with you that Bud made some very good adjustments as the Nets series went on.
I'll be looking forward to seeing how he plays a guy like Lopez against a team with much smaller, much quicker bigs and if the offense flows better.
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The area where people party outside at Fiserv, "The Deer District" do they have beer and food stands?
Haven't been there for a playoff game so maybe someone can chime in there, but yes. I've been there for other events and it's an enclosed area where they have beer and concession stands. I believe the surrounding bars are technically inside the District as well so people can filter in and out of them, drink in hand.
The crowd looked absolutely bonkers during game 7. Never in my life would I expect such excitement around the Bucks. Really a special time to be a fan.
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Haven't been there for a playoff game so maybe someone can chime in there, but yes. I've been there for other events and it's an enclosed area where they have beer and concession stands. I believe the surrounding bars are technically inside the District as well so people can filter in and out of them, drink in hand.
The crowd looked absolutely bonkers during game 7. Never in my life would I expect such excitement around the Bucks. Really a special time to be a fan.
I watched Game 2 of the 2019 ECF inside Good City. It was a bunch of fun. I don’t remember it being as crowded as the BKN series showed. They stamped your hand and I believe there was a security checkpoint.
I’ll ask my neighbor as he went on Saturday. Just watching, I’m not sure there was much room to leave your spot for a beer or bathroom break.
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“Respect to the Milwaukee Bucks in how they prepare, how they challenged us all series and made adjustments all series. We’ve got nothing but respect for that ballclub.” -- Kevin Durant
"Bud is the worst. His teams are never prepared. He never makes good adjustments. He deserves no respect." -- some Scoopers
"Iz dat wojo kohching da Does now? Fyre hiz azz, and hav hymn tayk Greek Freek wit him, oona?" -- Doc Dribble
Translation, please? tried Google Translate and got an error message.
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What's shown on TV isn't the whole Deer District. Think of that area as the front yard. From there you can access a corridor that is surrounded by a dozen bars on each side. These aren't the bars on 3rd st, they're newly constructed since the Fiserv opened. I've never been during a game but my understanding is that you can move freely (as freely as you can when its packed) from the area that's shown on TV to the rest of the Deer District for all your refreshment needs. I don't believe there are any beer/food stands in the area you are talking about
There are two main outdoor areas. The one directly outside Fiserv is the Bucks watch party. Then there is the Beer Garden. Both have alcohol/beverages. Food options are limited to none.
Once the game starts you cannot leave the area and come back in. You have no access to the restaurants and bars if you are watching outside unless you are not planning to re-enter.
In normal times you're absolutely correct, you can wander around the entire district. For the last three games once it hit capacity you were not able to leave and re-enter. Safety reasons and huge lines to get in.
If you want to get a table make sure you get there early. I arrived at 3 PM on Saturday and there were only 2 empty tables remaining. Game 7 was nuts. Hopefully the crowds are under capacity for the ECF so people have a bit more flexibility.
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What's shown on TV isn't the whole Deer District. Think of that area as the front yard. From there you can access a corridor that is surrounded by a dozen bars on each side. These aren't the bars on 3rd st, they're newly constructed since the Fiserv opened. I've never been during a game but my understanding is that you can move freely (as freely as you can when its packed) from the area that's shown on TV to the rest of the Deer District for all your refreshment needs. I don't believe there are any beer/food stands in the area you are talking about
Technically there aren't a dozen on each side.
The structure across the plaza from the Forum to the NE houses Good City & MECCA restaurants plus a walk in bar (I don't think you can even drink in there) and a chicken tender stand (Cream City Cluckery).
The structure to the SE houses Drink Wisconsinably plus a vacant storefront that used to be Punchbowl Social.
There are a few pop up tents selling beers. There's a food truck on the far south side that may have food but may also just be drinks.
I was there Tuesday for Game 5, we watched the 1st Q outside, went to Buck Bradleys for 2nd Q & Halftime and then went back to our spot for the 2nd half.
The Bucks have certainly created non home game revenue for themselves but they have also created a way for 3rd Street bars to profit as well. It's really, really cool.
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You know, Simmons kind of gave us a sneak preview of this in 2015 when he passed up an opportunity to try to beat Hank’s MU team in Brooklyn.
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Bucks will be taking on John Collins, who went to the post-G7 press conference wearing a t-shirt with an image of him posterizing Embiid. Gotta love it!
https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2021/06/21/john-collins-shirt-dunking-on-joel-embiid
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Cunningham is the lock #1? Would you project him to be as good as Doncic?
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Cunningham is the lock #1? Would you project him to be as good as Doncic?
We'll see!
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I'm a big Hakeem fan. I think he'd be absolutely fabulous in this era. I don't think he had any holes in his game. Tremendous overall athlete and player. And no, today's centers couldn't guard him.
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I'm a big Hakeem fan. I think he'd be absolutely fabulous in this era. I don't think he had any holes in his game. Tremendous overall athlete and player. And no, today's centers couldn't guard him.
Word.
And I just learned tonight that Ben Wallace is going to the Hall of Fame. I probably saw something when it was announced but it didn't really register.
He was a defensive beast and great rebounder during the prime of his career with the Pistons, I know, but he mailed it in his second season in Chicago and then had little impact as he hung around collecting paychecks for the next 4 years.
The guy averaged 5.7 points over his career And, in the end, he averaged only 9.6 rebounds and 2 blocks. Hard for me to see his body of work as Hall material, but whatevs.
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Word.
And I just learned tonight that Ben Wallace is going to the Hall of Fame. I probably saw something when it was announced but it didn't really register.
He was a defensive beast and great rebounder during the prime of his career with the Pistons, I know, but he mailed it in his second season in Chicago and then had little impact as he hung around collecting paychecks for the next 4 years.
The guy averaged 5.7 points over his career And, in the end, he averaged only 9.6 rebounds and 2 blocks. Hard for me to see his body of work as Hall material, but whatevs.
I'm just thinking out loud here but I think he would absolutely annihilate Embiid and Jokic. He could also probably guard at least 4 positions. In fact, if he tweaked his game for this era, I'm not sure there is a single thing he wouldn't do better than both of these players. Maybe Jokic is s better passer but that's about it.
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Cunningham is the lock #1? Would you project him to be as good as Doncic?
Project him to be as good as Doncic?? Uhh no that would be a bold projection.
Is the potential there for him to be around Doncic ability?? Yeah. But currently Luka has set a really, really high bar and hes only gonna get better.
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I'm just thinking out loud here but I think he would absolutely annihilate Embiid and Jokic. He could also probably guard at least 4 positions. In fact, if he tweaked his game for this era, I'm not sure there is a single thing he wouldn't do better than both of these players. Maybe Jokic is s better passer but that's about it.
Hakeem couldn’t guard four positions today. Great footwork in the post and great timing on his jumps, but not overly quick for today’s era. Don’t get me wrong - his game would fit fine. But he’s not “annihilating” Embiid.
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Hakeem couldn’t guard four positions today. Great footwork in the post and great timing on his jumps, but not overly quick for today’s era. Don’t get me wrong - his game would fit fine. But he’s not “annihilating” Embiid.
He would have adjusted his game. You're underrating his athletic ability, it was tier one. I also think Embiid can be a headcase. He had a number of meltdowns last series notwithstanding Simmons being a disaster. Are you saying Embiid is as good as Hakeem? I vehemently disagree if that's your take
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Hakeem would be great in any era
If you put him in a time machine and dropped him in this era, he wouldn't be as dominant as he was in his era.
If he was raised in this era, who knows? I would think it would be likely that he would be as dominant as he was in his original era.
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He would have adjusted his game. You're underrating his athletic ability, it was tier one. I also think Embiid can be a headcase. He had a number of meltdowns last series notwithstanding Simmons being a disaster. Are you saying Embiid is as good as Hakeem? I vehemently disagree if that's your take
There’s a wide gap between “just as good” and “annihilating someone.”
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Hakeem would be great in any era
If you put him in a time machine and dropped him in this era, he wouldn't be as dominant as he was in his era.
If he was raised in this era, who knows? I would think it would be likely that he would be as dominant as he was in his original era.
Your 2nd point it exactly what I was trying to articulate. If he was raised in this era my belief is he would be by far the best big in the game. Why? Because in his era he had no weaknesses. We're talking about a premier athlete here. If I'm not mistaken he didn't even pick up a basketball until he was 14? He probably would have been on Nigeria's national soccer team as well? I'm going to take Hakeem 100/100 times over Embiid or Jokic. He's also extremely likable.
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There’s a wide gap between “just as good” and “annihilating someone.”
Touche....but he annihilated great bigs in his era. I just like the guy.
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I'm just thinking out loud here but I think he would absolutely annihilate Embiid and Jokic. He could also probably guard at least 4 positions. In fact, if he tweaked his game for this era, I'm not sure there is a single thing he wouldn't do better than both of these players. Maybe Jokic is s better passer but that's about it.
For a second, I thought you were talking about Ben Wallace here … and I thought you were out of your mind … but then I realized you were talking’ about Olajuwon.
I was a huge Hakeem fan, so you’re preaching to the choir. Hakeem would be the best player in the league right now, though I like TAMU’s take, too.
I’ll bet he even would have made himself into a darn good 3-point shooter if he played today.
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For a second, I thought you were talking about Ben Wallace here … and I thought you were out of your mind … but then I realized you were talking’ about Olajuwon.
I was a huge Hakeem fan, so you’re preaching to the choir. Hakeem would be the best player in the league right now, though I like TAMU’s take, too.
I’ll bet he even would have made himself into a darn good 3-point shooter if he played today.
I agree completely. There's no question he could have tweaked his game and been very solid from the 3pt line. Jokic was the MVP. ...it's unreasonable to believe Olajuwon would not have been at a far higher level imo.
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I agree completely. There's no question he could have tweaked his game and been very solid from the 3pt line. Jokic was the MVP. ...it's unreasonable to believe Olajuwon would not have been at a far higher level imo.
I think one could make a pretty solid argument that Hakeem would have been the perfect 5 for today’s NBA, a cross between Embiid and Gobert.
There are probably a few Scoopers who think Cade Cunningham and Jalen Suggs woulda been drafted ahead of him, though - ha!
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I think one could make a pretty solid argument that Hakeem would have been the perfect 5 for today’s NBA, a cross between Embiid and Gobert.
There are probably a few Scoopers who think Cade Cunningham and Jalen Suggs woulda been drafted ahead of him, though - ha!
True dat. He really had no weaknesses in his game for his era. Did people forget he won two titles with essentially no #2? Drexler was well past his prime. Annihilate may have been too strong but I have a very hard time believing he would have much trouble shredding the 5's today.
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2 well coached teams tonite.
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What was that? Clippers ball?
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Ball don't lie?
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Bam! Tremendous assist from Jae!
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What a pass by Jae!
Oh, and nice FT bricks, Playoff P!!
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What a pass by Jae!
Oh, and nice FT bricks, Playoff P!!
Only took one great play by Jae to make up for his poor game. Good players step up.
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Only took one great play by Jae to make up for his poor game. Good players step up.
Great play by Jae. Great play call by Monty Williams. Glad to see Monty having success as I've always heard he is a class act. Hoping the Bucks can mop the floor with his squad in the finals. ;D
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Only took one great play by Jae to make up for his poor game. Good players step up.
Enormous play from JC. Perfect pass under prime-time pressure.
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Wasn’t that at least close to goaltending? I’m surprised they didn’t review it since they reviewed everything else.
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Wasn’t that at least close to goaltending? I’m surprised they didn’t review it since they reviewed everything else.
There is no goaltending on an inbounds pass.
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Wasn’t that at least close to goaltending? I’m surprised they didn’t review it since they reviewed everything else.
I think there is no goaltending directly off an inbounds pass? Breen and Van Gundy were half explaining it on the broadcast but I was having trouble following. Maybe since the inbounding team can't score without the ball being touched, the inbounder can't technically "shoot", so its a live ball out of his hands regardless of where the ball is in proximity to the hoop?
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There is no goaltending on an inbounds pass.
Makes sense why it hasn’t been discussed on ESPN. Thanks for the explanation.
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I think there is no goaltending directly off an inbounds pass? Breen and Van Gundy were half explaining it on the broadcast but I was having trouble following. Maybe since the inbounding team can't score without the ball being touched, the inbounder can't technically "shoot", so its a live ball out of his hands regardless of where the ball is in proximity to the hoop?
Basically, yes.
The refs did let at least two illegal things go on that play, though. Ayton clearly grabbed Zubac's jersey to basically steer Zubac into Booker, who clearly set a hard moving screen on Zubac. Both of which got Ayton just enough daylight to dunk home Jae's perfect pass.
Afterward, Payne was interviewed on ESPN and said something like, "Everybody knows that the refs let stuff go in those kinds of situations."
Only took one great play by Jae to make up for his poor game. Good players step up.
Jae didn't have a great offensive game but he battled George most of the night on defense, and George ended up 10-23 overall and 1-8 on 3s. Jae also made what would have been the best pass of the game earlier on another amazing alley-oop to Ayton.
He's the kind of player every winning team needs, one who does the dirty work and plays his role without ever complaining. The Heat definitely missed him.
Here's what Ayton said afterward about his decisive dunk:
"I'll start off by saying that's definitely Jae game-winner, making a great pass for a 7-footer."
Meanwhile, of his two FT bricks with 8.2 seconds left that gave the Suns a shot at that play, the self-proclaimed "Playoff P" said this:
"I'm not gonna put too much on that."
Perfect, Playoff P. Way to be a leader and hold yourself accountable.
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To be fair, despite having a horrific nickname, Paul George played like an animal down the stretch in the Utah series and is the primary reason they are still in the playoffs once Leonard went down. I don’t put too much stock in him not wanting to focus on the FTs. He didn’t blame or point fingers, I don’t put too much emphasis on self flagellation
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Hakeem would be the best player in the league right now
??? He was only the best player during his era when MJ retired for a bit. He wouldn't be the best player now.
You guys WAY overrate 1990s NBA.
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Great play by Jae. Great play call by Monty Williams. Glad to see Monty having success as I've always heard he is a class act. Hoping the Bucks can mop the floor with his squad in the finals. ;D
He was my choice when the Bucks canned Kidd. Got an absolutely raw deal in New Orleans.
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To be fair, despite having a horrific nickname, Paul George played like an animal down the stretch in the Utah series and is the primary reason they are still in the playoffs once Leonard went down. I don’t put too much stock in him not wanting to focus on the FTs. He didn’t blame or point fingers, I don’t put too much emphasis on self flagellation
He also was the reason they were in that position with the lead last night. His play late in the 4th was massive. He struggled for a while but took over down the stretch.
Overall hes had a fantastic playoff.
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To be fair, despite having a horrific nickname, Paul George played like an animal down the stretch in the Utah series and is the primary reason they are still in the playoffs once Leonard went down. I don’t put too much stock in him not wanting to focus on the FTs. He didn’t blame or point fingers, I don’t put too much emphasis on self flagellation
Agree about the Utah series. Playoff P finally lived up to the name he gave himself.
And I don't think the supposed team leader acknowledging "my bad" would have been self-flagellation. He didn't need to "focus" on the missed FTs, but he might have acknowledged them. Or not. It's a pretty minor thing, just part of his long legacy of playoff failure ever since he decided he was "Playoff P."
Look, when you publicly call yourself Playoff P, you'd better be damn great in the playoffs. It's like when Cam Newton did the whole Superman schtick -- he damn well better play like Superman more times than not. In 2015 he did ... until the Super Bowl ... when he played like Jimmy Olsen. So he deserved all the crap he had to take.
Reggie Jackson didn't come up with "Mr. October," but he embraced it ... and then he effen performed in October.
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Agree about the Utah series. Playoff P finally lived up to the name he gave himself.
And I don't think the supposed team leader acknowledging "my bad" would have been self-flagellation. He didn't need to "focus" on the missed FTs, but he might have acknowledged them. Or not. It's a pretty minor thing, just part of his long legacy of playoff failure ever since he decided he was "Playoff P."
Look, when you publicly call yourself Playoff P, you'd better be damn great in the playoffs. It's like when Cam Newton did the whole Superman schtick -- he damn well better play like Superman more times than not. In 2015 he did ... until the Super Bowl ... when he played like Jimmy Olsen. So he deserved all the crap he had to take.
Reggie Jackson didn't come up with "Mr. October," but he embraced it ... and then he effen performed in October.
Granted giving your self a nickname is lame, but his Playoff stats were pretty good
PPG (points per game, not playoff Paul George)
year Reg Playoff
2013 17 19
2014 22 23
2016 23 27
2017 24 28
2018 22 24
2019 28 28
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https://twitter.com/nbaleave/status/1306068599765901313?s=20 (https://twitter.com/nbaleave/status/1306068599765901313?s=20)
PG is a fine player but you run the risk of people dunking on you anytime you give yourself a nickname
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Granted giving your self a nickname is lame, but his Playoff stats were pretty good
PPG (points per game, not playoff Paul George)
year Reg Playoff
2013 17 19
2014 22 23
2016 23 27
2017 24 28
2018 22 24
2019 28 28
His stats were pretty good last night, too ... until he missed those 2 FTs to help cost his team the game.
His stats often look OK, but he has quite the history of choking.
For example ...
2013 - Game 7 at Miami - 7 points on 2-for-9 shooting.
2014 - Game 6 at Miami - 0-for-6 in the first half as Ind fell behind 60-34.
Lost in the first round in 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019 as ...
2016 - Game 7 at Tor - 2-for-8 in the second half and 7 turnovers for the game.
2017 - Swept by Cleveland as he shot .386 and committed 13 TOs.
2018 - Game 6 at Utah - 2-for-16 with 6 TOs.
2019 - Committed 20 TOs in losing to Portland in 5 games.
Then, 2020 in the bubble - Clippers took a 3-1 series lead vs Denver ... and he proceeded to shoot .382 over the next 3, including 4-for-16 in Game 7, when he also committed 5 TOs.
Playoff P, ladies and gentlemen!
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His stats were pretty good last night, too ... until he missed those 2 FTs to help cost his team the game.
His stats often look OK, but he has quite the history of choking.
For example ...
2013 - Game 7 at Miami - 7 points on 2-for-9 shooting.
2014 - Game 6 at Miami - 0-for-6 in the first half as Ind fell behind 60-34.
Lost in the first round in 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019 as ...
2016 - Game 7 at Tor - 2-for-8 in the second half and 7 turnovers for the game.
2017 - Swept by Cleveland as he shot .386 and committed 13 TOs.
2018 - Game 6 at Utah - 2-for-16 with 6 TOs.
2019 - Committed 20 TOs in losing to Portland in 5 games.
Then, 2020 in the bubble - Clippers took a 3-1 series lead vs Denver ... and he proceeded to shoot .382 over the next 3, including 4-for-16 in Game 7, when he also committed 5 TOs.
Playoff P, ladies and gentlemen!
Those are pretty bad, my only minor quibble would be the 2019 series, where he scored 36 on 14 for 20 shooting in the final loss (with 9 rebounds), and game four where he had 32 pts, 10 reb and 6 assists
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Those are pretty bad, my only minor quibble would be the 2019 series, where he scored 36 on 14 for 20 shooting in the final loss (with 9 rebounds), and game four where he had 32 pts, 10 reb and 6 assists
Fair. The TO total probably stemmed from him trying to do too much.
Look, he obviously is an immensely talented player, and he's had some darn good playoff performances, including several this postseason. But when you call yourself Playoff P, you'd better not go 2-for-16 with 6 TOs or not show up for entire halfs of deciding games.
He still has a chance to rewrite his personal history this postseason. Bricking those 2 FTs ain't gonna help, though.
I think the concept of "legacy" is badly overplayed, and often meaningless. I mean, there were people who actually thought Jordan would "diminish his legacy" by playing with Washington at the end of his career.
But in George's case, his legacy isn't too good. And he really has a chance to do something about it now. We'll see what he does.
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Fair. The TO total probably stemmed from him trying to do too much.
Look, he obviously is an immensely talented player, and he's had some darn good playoff performances, including several this postseason. But when you call yourself Playoff P, you'd better not go 2-for-16 with 6 TOs or not show up for entire halfs of deciding games.
He still has a chance to rewrite his personal history this postseason. Bricking those 2 FTs ain't gonna help, though.
I think the concept of "legacy" is badly overplayed, and often meaningless. I mean, there were people who actually thought Jordan would "diminish his legacy" by playing with Washington at the end of his career.
But in George's case, his legacy isn't too good. And he really has a chance to do something about it now. We'll see what he does.
Agree, his name should be Playoff P down the leg (in memory of Chico)
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He's going to be in the Hall of Fame. His legacy is just fine.
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Agree, his name should be Playoff P down the leg (in memory of Chico)
That made me laugh out loud. Though I do hope you know that hoopaloop didn't invent that phrase.
He's going to be in the Hall of Fame. His legacy is just fine.
Sure, and he also will have made hundreds of millions of dollars. Still, right now, his "legacy" (for lack of better word) will include ... "but he never even reached the NBA Finals, and he had a long history of personal postseason failures."
George is obviously nowhere near alone on that list. For instance, Bob Lanier never made it to the NBA Finals, either ... but he also didn't spit the bit as often as George has. And, of course, he didn't nickname himself Playoff B.
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Though I do hope you know that hoopaloop didn't invent that phrase.
What's a hoopaloop?
And yes, I do know that. Chicos didnt have any original content.
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He's going to be in the Hall of Fame. His legacy is just fine.
I mean Ben Wallace just made the HOF, averaging single digits points and rebounds for his career, (yadda yadda pts and rebounds are just for noobs who don’t understand basketball), but c’mon the Basketball HOF is not the best barometer for talent.
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Trae Young is absolutely torching the Bucks right now.
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I mean Ben Wallace just made the HOF, averaging single digits points and rebounds for his career, (yadda yadda pts and rebounds are just for noobs who don’t understand basketball), but c’mon the Basketball HOF is not the best barometer for talent.
Wallace was 4 time NBA DPOY. His 5 year peak was as defensively dominant as a player has been in the modern era. He averaged 9.6 rebounds for his career. You take out his rough, non starter years in Washington and he is well into double digits.
But as for your last statement, LMAO WTF?! Please tell me a bunch of other HOF players that don’t deserve to be there and show it’s not a good measure of talent or performance
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Trae Young is absolutely torching the Bucks right now.
A teams best player is “torching” us, and the Bucks are shooting 14% from 3, and they are still up by 3.
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Wallace is a borderline Hall of Famer, IMHO. And Playoff P will be, too, if his postseason body of work doesn't improve.
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Hawks remind me of Markus’ senior year. No defense and a small point guard making it rain.
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I was a huge Ben Wallace fan when he was with the Pistons. I’m shocked he made the HOF.
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Wallace was 4 time NBA DPOY. His 5 year peak was as defensively dominant as a player has been in the modern era. He averaged 9.6 rebounds for his career. You take out his rough, non starter years in Washington and he is well into double digits.
But as for your last statement, LMAO WTF?! Please tell me a bunch of other HOF players that don’t deserve to be there and show it’s not a good measure of talent or performance
Mea culpa on the hyperbole, obviously everyone in the HOF is talented and accomplished, but it was more of comment that the folks in Springfield seem to have a bit of flexibility to see who they enshrine as all time greats. But hey, I’m just a schmo who can barely hit an 18 footer.
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Big Ben couldn't hit an 18 footer, either.
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Uhhhh ....#11 on the Hawks is pretty good. This is a one man wrecking crew. They can't seem to guard the guy at all. He can get a three or a floater any time he wants. Would you force him left?
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This game shows what drives me nuts about Bud. No plan against Trae at all. It like a practice for him. How many 5-7 footers has he made with Lopez backing up?
Halftime adjustments? Nope. Just keep doing what didn’t work in the 1st half. Lopez will keep backing up.
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Uhhhh ....#11 on the Hawks is pretty good. This is a one man wrecking crew. They can't seem to guard the guy at all. He can get a three or a floater any time he wants. Would you force him left?
They need Lopez out so Young doesn’t get 15 ft of space on every screen.
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Then Lopez backs up again to give Huerter a 7 footer.
What is the point of this defense?
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And yet, here he is in the Eastern conference finals. Limit everybody else and game plan for the next game
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This game shows what drives me nuts about Bud. No plan against Trae at all. It like a practice for him. How many 5-7 footers has he made with Lopez backing up?
Halftime adjustments? Nope. Just keep doing what didn’t work in the 1st half. Lopez will keep backing up.
Keep in mind the Hawks essentially don't have 2 starters. The Bucks D tonight has been shredded by Young. They have no answers on that high screen. Huerter and Collins have played really well too.
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Obviously rooting for the Bucks, but man is Young fun to watch.
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Do you deny Trae the ball or get the ball out of his hands before half-court? Have you looked at his stat-line? It's still the 3rd Q brw.
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Middleton is so damn painful when this team needs a bucket and the half court is struggling.
Bud’s been wildly out coached again. Someone needs to step up besides Jrue
Obviously rooting for the Bucks, but man is Young fun to watch.
His shooting and passing. His janky foul hunting is far from it
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Middleton is so damn painful when this team needs a bucket and the half court is struggling.
Bud’s been wildly out coached again. Someone needs to step up besides Jrue
His shooting and passing. His janky foul hunting is far from it
Eh they call it so…
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I might go with Giannis at the 5. The help D is nowhere to be found for the Bucks tonight.
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By the way, Marv is in person…and still bad. Hung on too long.
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Atlanta is a very well coached team. Why Nate McMillan was fired by Indiana is puzzling.
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By the way, Marv is in person…and still bad. Hung on too long.
He seems not to know the difference between a 2 and a 3.
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Lost in this particular bad shooting game is that the Bucks have shot poorly from distance all throughout the playoffs.
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I dunno about that call. Wow.
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By the way, Marv is in person…and still bad. Hung on too long.
He’s been HORRIFIC. Like shockingly bad repeatedly
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By the way, Marv is in person…and still bad. Hung on too long.
Yeah, sadly, Marv lost his fastball at least a couple years ago.
Had a pretty damn good first 5 decades as an announcer, though.
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Young may have shot Atlanta out of this game
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Bucks not securing defensive rebs. Can't happen.
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Game would be over if the Bucks secured the D glass. Big probs now.
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Young may have shot Atlanta out of this game
When noted terrible announcer and former chucker Reggie Miller is calling you out for it…You know you’re taking terrible shots
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Would you foul Giannis if you were NM?
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Wow. Freaking brutal.
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Shocked. The Bucks really pissed themselves once they took a 7 pt lead under 3 mins.
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Yep. Went small but couldn’t get a rebound when it mattered.
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When noted terrible announcer and former chucker Reggie Miller is calling you out for it…You know you’re taking terrible shots
Both are better than having Malika “Giannis is going to leave Milwaukee” Andrews as the sideline reporter.
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I still feel pretty good about the Bucks chances after tonight. Young had to go for 48 and we didn’t play particularly well.
The Bucks looked like they thought they could breeze through this compared to playing against the Nets.
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Can’t grab a rebound to save your life and protect a lead late at home, awesome.
Can’t get a clean look when you need a bucket down 3 cause you have no iso threats, awesome.
Your 2nd max guy going 6/23 and 0/9 from deep including countless critical bricks, awesome.
Love having to rely on f-ing Patty McNotre Dame for big jumpers too
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Yep. Went small but couldn’t get a rebound when it mattered.
Yes, but many of those rebs were on long shots that bounced out to the perimeter. The box outs were poor as well but you simply have to get those long rebs. Killed them and can't happen.
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Would you foul Giannis if you were NM?
I sure wouldn’t have done it every time Reggie Miller called for it. We can see why he’s never been a coach.
On final play, Bucks got a good look for Middleton. When it left his hand, I thought it was going in.
It’s one game. Still picking the Buckaroos.
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I still feel pretty good about the Bucks chances after tonight. Young had to go for 48 and we didn’t play particularly well.
The Bucks looked like they thought they could breeze through this compared to playing against the Nets.
I think so too, but they gotta get their defense together. 3 out of the last 4 games they have given up at least 48 points to one guy.
It would also help if Holiday and Middleton could play well in the same game.
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Yeah Atlanta doesn’t have a big home court advantage so they be an clearly come back.
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Can’t grab a rebound to save your life and protect a lead late at home, awesome.
Can’t get a clean look when you need a bucket down 3 cause you have no iso threats, awesome.
Your 2nd max guy going 6/23 and 0/9 from deep including countless critical bricks, awesome.
Love having to rely on f-ing Patty McNotre Dame for big jumpers too
Middleton had an unusually poor game. I was a little surprised he went with PC down the stretch. Also, Portis played pretty well in the first half and rode pine the rest of the game. Are you angry at Budenholzer JWags? Who would be your 5 to close in this series?
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34 rebounds by Capela and Collins? Can't happen.
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I have way more faith in Trae Young strapping the Hawks on his back through this series than I do anyone on the Bucks.
You get 33/10 from Holiday and lose...at home...that’s no bueno.
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Out rebounded 51-45 on their home court.
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34 rebounds by Capela and Collins? Can't happen.
Bingo. Just out hustled.
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Out rebounded 51-45 on their home court.
And there were at least 3 possessions down the stretch where ATL scored on an offensive reb.
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This felt a lot like the first game of the Miami series. But instead of winning in 4 or 5, this thing is gonna be a series.
I guess I don't understand why they're not hedging hard on those screens, especially when Capela sets them. If you run size at Trae it's gonna be hard for him to hit the roll man. Hell, we saw it for years with Markus.
It took a huge effort from Trae, and an awful Middleton game, for Atlanta to win a one possession game. I'm not worried... yet.
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This felt a lot like the first game of the Miami series. But instead of winning in 4 or 5, this thing is gonna be a series.
I guess I don't understand why they're not hedging hard on those screens, especially when Capela sets them. If you run size at Trae it's gonna be hard for him to hit the roll man. Hell, we saw it for years with Markus.
It took a huge effort from Trae, and an awful Middleton game, for Atlanta to win a one possession game. I'm not worried... yet.
They seem to just be auto switching them? Middleton did have an awful game but Holiday had his best offensive game of the playoffs. The Bucks lost this game on the D glass but the fact is they have shot the ball poorly from distance the entire playoffs.
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4:18 Jrue Holiday makes 27-foot three pointer 98 - 105
4:07 Khris Middleton personal foul 98 - 105
3:53 Kevin Huerter misses 26-foot step back jumpshot 98 - 105
3:42 John Collins offensive rebound 98 - 105
3:42 John Collins makes dunk 100 - 105
3:35 Khris Middleton misses 27-foot three point jumper 100 - 105
3:32 Clint Capela defensive rebound 100 - 105
3:26 Trae Young makes 18-foot driving floating jump shot 102 - 105
3:26 Jrue Holiday shooting foul 102 - 105
3:26 Trae Young makes free throw 1 of 1 103 - 105
3:26 Bucks Full timeout 103 - 105
3:26 Solomon Hill enters the game for Danilo Gallinari 103 - 105
3:14 Giannis Antetokounmpo makes alley oop dunk shot (Jrue Holiday assists) 103 - 107
3:01 Trae Young misses 32-foot step back jumpshot 103 - 107
3:01 Hawks offensive team rebound 103 - 107
2:57 John Collins makes layup (Trae Young assists) 105 - 107
2:36 John Collins shooting foul 105 - 107
2:36 Pat Connaughton makes free throw 1 of 2 105 - 108
2:36 Pat Connaughton makes free throw 2 of 2 105 - 109
2:21 Khris Middleton shooting foul 105 - 109
2:21 Trae Young makes free throw 1 of 2 106 - 109
2:21 Trae Young makes free throw 2 of 2 107 - 109
2:08 Giannis Antetokounmpo makes 2-foot alley oop dunk shot (Jrue Holiday assists) 107 - 111
1:52 Trae Young misses 31-foot three point pullup jump shot 107 - 111
1:49 John Collins offensive rebound 107 - 111
1:45 Solomon Hill misses 28-foot three point jumper 107 - 111
1:43 Clint Capela offensive rebound 107 - 111
1:39 John Collins makes 23-foot three point jumper (Trae Young assists) 110 - 111
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Giannis makes the 4 bunnies that he makes the majority of the time, Hawks don't win this game. Khris plays nominally less terrible, Hawks don't win this game.
I honestly don't think the Hawks were that impressive, to the point they needed unsustainable efforts from Trae. Don't think that repeats over a series
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Giannis makes the 4 bunnies that he makes the majority of the time, Hawks don't win this game. Khris plays nominally less terrible, Hawks don't win this game.
I honestly don't think the Hawks were that impressive, to the point they needed unsustainable efforts from Trae. Don't think that repeats over a series
They weren't that impressive and yet they did something Durant couldn't do-win in Milwaukee.
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Giannis makes the 4 bunnies that he makes the majority of the time, Hawks don't win this game. Khris plays nominally less terrible, Hawks don't win this game.
I honestly don't think the Hawks were that impressive, to the point they needed unsustainable efforts from Trae. Don't think that repeats over a series
I think you're right but the Bucks "weren't that impressive" either. When you piss away a home game like that it's always a cause for concern. Even though most believe the Bucks are the better team. It's not like Atlanta shot the ball all that well either. The issue the Bucks have is can Lopez be on the floor? Because if he cannot they have to figure out the most effective defensive line-up without him.
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I have way more faith in Trae Young strapping the Hawks on his back through this series than I do anyone on the Bucks.
You get 33/10 from Holiday and lose...at home...that’s no bueno.
It’s not like the Bucks have anyone more capable of strapping a team on their back than Kevin Durant is either.
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Just one game.
It does magnify the importance of Game 2, though.
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They seem to just be auto switching them? Middleton did have an awful game but Holiday had his best offensive game of the playoffs. The Bucks lost this game on the D glass but the fact is they have shot the ball poorly from distance the entire playoffs.
They weren't auto switching from the beginning. They only did that when they went small. Which actually worked for awhile, on both ends of the floor, but going small was a problem when it came to rebounds. Especially when Giannis was the one switched onto Young and was away from the basket.
I guess I don't understand why they're not hedging hard on those screens, especially when Capela sets them.
They may do that, but I just don't think the Bucks like hedging hard. Young is really good at hitting the player cutting to the hoop on the roll too.
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Carlisle back to the Pacers. Does this mean Bud’s job is safe?
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Nah, lotsa coaches out der. If he chits his Haggars, he gowne, hey?
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I'd guess Bud is safe if they get through Atlanta. If they lose this one, could get interesting.
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If they get to the NBA Finals, he is definitely safe. Firing him at that point would look (and be) foolish.
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Dude is a disaster. Couldn't coach his way to a CYO championship. Jettison his ass along wit da udder smoes, hey?
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Dude is a disaster. Couldn't coach his way to a CYO championship. Jettison his ass along wit da udder smoes, hey?
If they lose this series it will be disastrous for the Bucks and Budenholzer. You have to take advantage of this opportunity. Truthfully I feel they're clearly the better team with Atlanta's injuries.
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I don’t think Bud is a bad coach, but I do worry he’s hit his ceiling in the ECF. His Milwaukee tenure currently looks a lot like Atlanta. This series could make it a different story.
He seems to be a very good regular season coach, but struggles in the playoffs. It seems he sticks with what got them there rather than what might be best against a particular team.
The Bucks came out with the urgency of a Tuesday night in December. In the NBA, I’m not sure how much of that is on the coach.
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One example of why I am not a Bud fan. In a regular season game this would be meaningless - just another game. But he did this in the conference finals. Last night, it probably cost them the game.
When Holiday returned to the floor in the 2nd quarter, Teague did not return to the bench. Instead, Connaughton made his way off the floor. And when Young brought the ball down, Holiday was not standing right next to him. Instead, Teague met him near half court and defended him for the next five possessions.
In that time, Young used four of the Hawks’ possessions to hit a floater, commit a turnover, make a step back 3 and then step into another 3 while Teague tried to go underneath a screen. In just over 90 seconds, Young scored eight points on Teague, and the Bucks’ lead shrunk from 40-31 to 43-39.
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Dude is a disaster. Couldn't coach his way to a CYO championship. Jettison his ass along wit da udder smoes, hey?
Weird how Dr. Tooth has been missing in this thread since the Bucks won game 7, but when they lose game 1, he pops back up again. Really weird.
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He is so right about so many things.
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LOL.
https://twitter.com/KDTrey5/status/1408167033334898691
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LOL.
https://twitter.com/KDTrey5/status/1408167033334898691
Then followed it up with
https://twitter.com/kdtrey5/status/1408169296405147649?s=21
Calling him “Scott” cracked me up
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Apparently Giannis should have been called for 10 secs, both times at the line, with under 6 secs to go. Smh. What is the deal with his routine?
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If you were Budenholzer how would you guard Trae Young? I believe Milwaukee should win the whole thing. And that absolutely helps Marquette hoops.
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If you were Budenholzer how would you guard Trae Young? I believe Milwaukee should win the whole thing. And that absolutely helps Marquette hoops.
Extremely physically. Make him feel it every time he enters the paint. Doesn't matter if 3 guys foul out. It will make him physically wilt by the 4th quarter. You simply cannot let him be comfortable or he'll torch you.
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Apparently Giannis should have been called for 10 secs, both times at the line, with under 6 secs to go. Smh. What is the deal with his routine?
https://theathletic.com/news/hawks-frustrated-by-giannis-antetokounmpos-free-throw-routine-sources/h1xZBBbzSymj?source=dailyemail
The Atlanta Hawks join a growing list of teams frustrated with Milwaukee Bucks star Giannis Antetokounmpo's free throw routine taking longer than the NBA's permitted 10 seconds, sources tell The Athletic.
Atlanta is not happy that the league is continuing to look the other way on the matter in the Eastern Conference Finals, sources said.
In the Hawks' Game 1 116-113 win over the Bucks on Wednesday, Antetokounmpo — by Atlanta's internal count — ranged between 11.5 seconds and 13.3 seconds on his eight attempts but wasn't whistled once. On Thursday, the NBA's Last Two Minute Report showed Antetokounmpo's final two attempts (at the 3.5-second mark) were ruled to have been 10-second violations. His last two shots should not have counted.
I mean, is it a rule or isn't it? He's often WELL over 10 seconds.
Yes, NBA refs often ignore rules -- mostly traveling, moving screens and entering the lane too early on FTs.
But this one is so obvious, as play is stopped and everybody in the world can see it every single time. Gotta call it.
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Extremely physically. Make him feel it every time he enters the paint. Doesn't matter if 3 guys foul out. It will make him physically wilt by the 4th quarter. You simply cannot let him be comfortable or he'll torch you.
Bucks aren’t exactly deep enough to have 3 guys foul out unless we want more Thanasis and Teague minutes in the second quarter.
I don’t know if you need a hard hedge as he isn’t the greatest 3 point shooter, but need to stop him before he gets a head of steam going to the paint. That’s where his passing and floater killed us.
Also, he seems to be going to the Harden school of drawing fouls, so I don’t know if I’d try to rough him up too much.
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Dude is a disaster. Couldn't coach his way to a CYO championship. Jettison his ass along wit da udder smoes, hey?
The Coach in Waiting is already settled in The Quon.
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If you were Budenholzer how would you guard Trae Young? I believe Milwaukee should win the whole thing. And that absolutely helps Marquette hoops.
Why? Does every NBA champ city help college bball schools in that city?
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Bucks aren’t exactly deep enough to have 3 guys foul out unless we want more Thanasis and Teague minutes in the second quarter.
I don’t know if you need a hard hedge as he isn’t the greatest 3 point shooter, but need to stop him before he gets a head of steam going to the paint. That’s where his passing and floater killed us.
Also, he seems to be going to the Harden school of drawing fouls, so I don’t know if I’d try to rough him up too much.
I think the idea that you hit him coming down the lane is a relic of the 90s. I don't mind the switching defenses with Lopez playing a lesser role, but the defense has to hit the boards.
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https://theathletic.com/news/hawks-frustrated-by-giannis-antetokounmpos-free-throw-routine-sources/h1xZBBbzSymj?source=dailyemail
The Atlanta Hawks join a growing list of teams frustrated with Milwaukee Bucks star Giannis Antetokounmpo's free throw routine taking longer than the NBA's permitted 10 seconds, sources tell The Athletic.
Atlanta is not happy that the league is continuing to look the other way on the matter in the Eastern Conference Finals, sources said.
In the Hawks' Game 1 116-113 win over the Bucks on Wednesday, Antetokounmpo — by Atlanta's internal count — ranged between 11.5 seconds and 13.3 seconds on his eight attempts but wasn't whistled once. On Thursday, the NBA's Last Two Minute Report showed Antetokounmpo's final two attempts (at the 3.5-second mark) were ruled to have been 10-second violations. His last two shots should not have counted.
I mean, is it a rule or isn't it? He's often WELL over 10 seconds.
Yes, NBA refs often ignore rules -- mostly traveling, moving screens and entering the lane too early on FTs.
But this one is so obvious, as play is stopped and everybody in the world can see it every single time. Gotta call it.
It's beyond ridiculous, but I don't think he goes THAT far over very often.
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It's beyond ridiculous, but I don't think he goes THAT far over very often.
I think part of it is the routine he does before even getting the ball. That’s not part of the 10 seconds, but definitely adds to how long it takes for him to shoot one Free Throw.
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Why? Does every NBA champ city help college bball schools in that city?
I just think Milwaukee is an unusual city in this regard. It's much smaller than other pure cities with big-time pro and college hoops. I would imagine that the early 70's in Milwaukee was hoops heaven with the Bucks and MU helping each other. I think the Bucks winning helps, it helps the entire city including MU.
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It's beyond ridiculous, but I don't think he goes THAT far over very often.
Agreed. He usually takes in the 9-12 second range.
It's a rule so if it gets called it's fine by me, but they should call it consistently one way or the other.
Also...
https://twitter.com/itsjwills/status/1408174029417201675
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I just think Milwaukee is an unusual city in this regard. It's much smaller than other pure cities with big-time pro and college hoops. I would imagine that the early 70's in Milwaukee was hoops heaven with the Bucks and MU helping each other. I think the Bucks winning helps, it helps the entire city including MU.
If you asked the average person where Marquette is, they'd guess upper Michigan.
The Bucks being good is fun... but has nothing to do with Marquette's success.
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If you asked the average person where Marquette is, they'd guess upper Michigan.
The Bucks being good is fun... but has nothing to do with Marquette's success.
I think it’s a bit unique as there’s not many college teams that share a facility with the same pro team. Also, I think sometimes in the off-season, Bucks and MU guys would play a little.
I don’t think it’s a material event, but something nice Shaka can point to.
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If you asked the average person where Marquette is, they'd guess upper Michigan.
The Bucks being good is fun... but has nothing to do with Marquette's success.
Not sure how those two statements even equate. We're not talking about whether Joe six pack in Little Rock Arkansas knows where our beloved alma mater is. We're talking about whether a recruit will pick MU because we share floorspace with the Bucks. IMO, I don't think it would be the biggest factor, but again, I am not an 18 years old who has NBA hopes.
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If you asked the average person where Marquette is, they'd guess upper Michigan.
The Bucks being good is fun... but has nothing to do with Marquette's success.
The Bucks being good in the 1980’s did jack squat for Marquette.
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I think part of it is the routine he does before even getting the ball. That’s not part of the 10 seconds, but definitely adds to how long it takes for him to shoot one Free Throw.
Yep. The ref stands there with the ball waiting for Giannis to practice his shooting form 2-3 times. Then he hands it to Giannis, who takes more than the allotted time.
It's beyond ridiculous, but I don't think he goes THAT far over very often.
11.5 seconds is 15% more than the time the rule allows, and 13.3 is 33% more. (Those were the two times the NBA admitted he took on those last 2 FTs in G1.) I'd guesstimate that he's between those times more often than not, so about 20% over the time allowed, and he does it pretty much every time. So I guess it depends on how one defines "THAT far."
Even though I think it's gotta be called, it really doesn't affect my life one way or another, so I don't want to get into a silly Scoop argument over semantics. If the NBA doesn't want to enforce its rules, whatevs. As I said, they already let offensive players get away with moving screens on just about every possession, and those affect a game much more than Giannis taking an extra 1.5 seconds.
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The Bucks being good in the 1980’s did jack squat for Marquette.
Yes....but MU has some coaching issues back then.
I don't see how it could hurt. The new arena and the surrounding area getting more exposure, if they get to the NBA Finals, might resonate with potential recruits? It's always nice to see the MU banners.
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Not sure how those two statements even equate. We're not talking about whether Joe six pack in Little Rock Arkansas knows where our beloved alma mater is. We're talking about whether a recruit will pick MU because we share floorspace with the Bucks. IMO, I don't think it would be the biggest factor, but again, I am not an 18 years old who has NBA hopes.
They weren't meant to equate. What I'm getting at is that we (this board) have a bit of an overinflated idea of what the rest of the US knows about the school... most don't even know where it is. And the Bucks being good won't change that, nor will it be 'good for Marquette'.
Like, how would it be good for Marquette?
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Regarding the Bucks/Hawks I think Young is far more dangerous getting into the paint than launching deep threes. I couldn't figure out why Holiday and others were blanketing him 40 feet from the rim. The kid has tier 1 blow by speed and he has mastered the floater and the alley oop lob.
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What I'm getting at is that we (this board) have a bit of an overinflated idea of what the rest of the US knows about the school... most don't even know where it is.
A couple weeks ago, we went to another couple's house for drinks and dinner. They also invited their neighbors, whom we hadn't met before. I was wearing my Marquette hat and the neighbor woman said, "That's Marquette University, right?" I started to say, "Yeah, it's in Milwaukee, not Michigan ... " but she interrupted to say, "I know exactly where it is. I played soccer at UNC-Charlotte and we had games there every year."
So that was a pleasant surprise to meet somebody who actually knew where MU was! As you say, more often than not folks think it's in Michigan -- and that even goes for some older folks here who had to watch their Tar Heels lose to the Warriors in '77.
Having said all that, even if it doesn't really "help" if Shaka to be able to say, "Yeah, we share the arena with the NBA champions" -- and neither of us really knows if it helps or not -- it certainly wouldn't hurt.
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Like, how would it be good for Marquette?
Shaka can tell recruits that they get to share a homecourt with the NBA champions. I doubt it does a lot, but with some recruits it will carry a little weight.
Put it this way. The phrase "you get to share a homecourt with the Milwaukee Bucks" has been cooler for the past three seasons than it was for the 22 seasons before that.
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Yep. The ref stands there with the ball waiting for Giannis to practice his shooting form 2-3 times. Then he hands it to Giannis, who takes more than the allotted time.
11.5 seconds is 15% more than the time the rule allows, and 13.3 is 33% more. (Those were the two times the NBA admitted he took on those last 2 FTs in G1.) I'd guesstimate that he's between those times more often than not, so about 20% over the time allowed, and he does it pretty much every time. So I guess it depends on how one defines "THAT far."
Most golfers know that the longer you stand over a putt, the harder it gets.
Just shoot the ball. It's a frickin' free throw.
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Most golfers know that the longer you stand over a putt, the harder it gets.
Just shoot the ball. It's a frickin' free throw.
Contrast Giannis' painful FT routine with that of Trae Young, who holds the ball for all of about 1 second before he shoots FTs.
Of course, Young only shoots 89%, so imagine how much better he'd be if he took 12 seconds to prepare for every shot!
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This discussion reminds me of one of my favorite Al quotes.
“He goes through so many things at the foul line, I think I’m watching ‘Macbeth.’”
--- Al McGuire on USC guard Harold Miner’s free throw ritual
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Mavs hire Jason Kidd for some reason.
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Mavs hire Jason Kidd for some reason.
For Luka. Same reason they hired their GM from Nike.
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Mavs hire Jason Kidd for some reason.
You couldn't come up with a single reason??
Not even the blatantly obvious one?
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You couldn't come up with a single reason??
Not even the blatantly obvious one?
Cool. Now what? They're stuck with a bad coach who has serious questions about his past.
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I think the idea that you hit him coming down the lane is a relic of the 90s. I don't mind the switching defenses with Lopez playing a lesser role, but the defense has to hit the boards.
Yep, if the Bucks rebound even remotely competently in the 4th on Wed, they win that game.
Trae Young is very good, but in his best game of the playoffs he only shot 50% and was not good from 3. He got to the line a bunch. He has had far more games shooting 7/8/9 for 25ish. If they hold him to that and under 10
FTs, they should be fine. If he plays like he did the last few games of the Sixers series, the Bucks win going away
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Yep, if the Bucks rebound even remotely competently in the 4th on Wed, they win that game.
Trae Young is very good, but in his best game of the playoffs he only shot 50% and was not good from 3. He got to the line a bunch. He has had far more games shooting 7/8/9 for 25ish. If they hold him to that and under 10
FTs, they should be fine. If he plays like he did the last few games of the Sixers series, the Bucks win going away
He created 72 points. The most ever in a conference finals game. PJ Tucker even said before the game while mic'd up that keeping Trae out of the lane is more important than the 3. Why they let this happen, I have no idea.The Bucks did not show any way to stop Rayford from getting in the lane.
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Cool. Now what? They're stuck with a bad coach who has serious questions about his past.
Now he coaches the team which is a move most assume the superstar franchise player approves of.
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Now he coaches the team which is a move most assume the superstar franchise player approves of.
.491 career winning percentage. I'm sure it'll work out great this time!
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Give Sheryl Crow lifetime tickets.
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Ass kickin', hey?
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This is the D I expected. See if they can maintain.
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That’s an experienced team putting the hammer down and a young team not responding.
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A great 1st half. Now they are just throwing up terrible 3s.
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Title aspiring teams come back at home and give a thump back after a game 1 like that. Great to see from the Bucks tonight.
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The Bucks are clearly the better team. Unfortunately the Bucks have shown time and again since they’ve become contenders that their stars will show up one game and be invisible the next. And their coach has struggled to adjust at times. Atlanta will come up with some adjustments. Let’s see if the Bucks respond and prove they’re ready to get over the hump.
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Nice to see the Bucks get their act together. Hopefully they maintain their focus the rest of the series.
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The Bucks are clearly the better team. Unfortunately the Bucks have shown time and again since they’ve become contenders that their stars will show up one game and be invisible the next. And their coach has struggled to adjust at times. Atlanta will come up with some adjustments. Let’s see if the Bucks respond and prove they’re ready to get over the hump.
There were some pretty solid adjustments tonight, and paired with some outside shots falling, it was a landslide. Brook came out a bit further, they guarded brilliantly against the backside lob, and Jrue got runouts off Trae misses in the lane.
The Bucks are the superior team, and they don't need everything to go right in this series to win. They just can't have a confluence of things going wrong.
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There were some pretty solid adjustments tonight, and paired with some outside shots falling, it was a landslide. Brook came out a bit further, they guarded brilliantly against the backside lob, and Jrue got runouts off Trae misses in the lane.
The Bucks are the superior team, and they don't need everything to go right in this series to win. They just can't have a confluence of things going wrong.
Atlanta can’t do much without Young. And the Bucks really shut him down yesterday. Switched everything.
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The Bucks are the superior team, and they don't need everything to go right in this series to win. They just can't have a confluence of things going wrong.
This.
I have seen a couple talking heads, especially after G1, say dopey crud like "actually, the Hawks are the better team."
Well, actually, they aren't. If both teams play well, the Bucks are much better. The only way the Hawks can win is if they play extremely well and the Bucks play quite poorly, as in G1. And even that was a 1-possession game the Bucks absolutely gave away.
I'm still thinkin' Milwaukee in 5, but I wouldn't be stunned if Atlanta wins one of the next two at home.
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This.
I have seen a couple talking heads, especially after G1, say dopey crud like "actually, the Hawks are the better team."
Well, actually, they aren't. If both teams play well, the Bucks are much better. The only way the Hawks can win is if they play extremely well and the Bucks play quite poorly, as in G1. And even that was a 1-possession game the Bucks absolutely gave away.
I'm still thinkin' Milwaukee in 5, but I wouldn't be stunned if Atlanta wins one of the next two at home.
The Bucks are clearly the better team but I think each game in a playoff series is a separate entity. I wouldn't glean that much from one blowout.
The Bucks from my observation are almost unbeatable when they're hitting threes. Last night they started something like 10-16 and finally had a pretty decent shooting game. They also got a ton of easy transition hoops. Both of these stats are fluid and can easily change from game to game.
In the paint I expect ATL to make an adjustment on Giannis. It's way too easy for him right now. I suspect they will sag deeper into the lane when he gets the ball up top, hard double if he posts, and try to take some charges on his spin move.
There's no question the Bucks are better but we've seen all playoffs they are capable of bricking from distance and kicking the ball away. They did make a good adjustment defensively but the Hawks do have guys that are capable of drilling threes. The Bucks have a much greater margin for error but can they play consistent hoops on both ends?
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The Bucks are clearly the better team but I think each game in a playoff series is a separate entity. I wouldn't glean that much from one blowout.
The Bucks from my observation are almost unbeatable when they're hitting threes. Last night they started something like 10-16 and finally had a pretty decent shooting game. They also got a ton of easy transition hoops. Both of these stats are fluid and can easily change from game to game.
In the paint I expect ATL to make an adjustment on Giannis. It's way too easy for him right now. I suspect they will sag deeper into the lane when he gets the ball up top, hard double if he posts, and try to take some charges on his spin move.
There's no question the Bucks are better but we've seen all playoffs they are capable of bricking from distance and kicking the ball away. They did make a good adjustment defensively but the Hawks do have guys that are capable of drilling threes. The Bucks have a much greater margin for error but can they play consistent hoops on both ends?
Agreed. G1 was only one game, and so was G2. You don't get extra credit for winning by 100.
The Bucks played like poo-poo in G1 and still lost only because they gave away the game and Atlanta had a guy who scored 48. I'm reasonably confident that combo won't happen again, and I'm extremely confident it won't happen again 3 more times this series.
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Does anybody have an answer as to why Budenholzer would challenge a foul call, up 40, with 7 secs to go in the 3rd Q? I thought that was bizarre.
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Does anybody have an answer as to why Budenholzer would challenge a foul call, up 40, with 7 secs to go in the 3rd Q? I thought that was bizarre.
Because it was Pat’s 5th foul and Pat was going to be on the court with the backups for some of the 4th quarter. He wasn’t going to need the challenge down the stretch in a tight game, so he used it to try to save a foul on a guy who would see the court in garbage time.
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Because it was Pat’s 5th foul and Pat was going to be on the court with the backups for some of the 4th quarter. He wasn’t going to need the challenge down the stretch in a tight game, so he used it to try to save a foul on a guy who would see the court in garbage time.
Oh...I hadn't thought about that. Ty.
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Because it was Pat’s 5th foul and Pat was going to be on the court with the backups for some of the 4th quarter. He wasn’t going to need the challenge down the stretch in a tight game, so he used it to try to save a foul on a guy who would see the court in garbage time.
Yep. Criticism of him using the challenge there was unwarranted.
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There’s a part of me that wonders how much Atlanta was just satisfied with the split, and that’s why it was so lopsided. But the Bucks did look like a much better team. They played with way more intensity than Game 1.
They did a great job of cutting off the head of the snake by swarming Young in the paint and using their length for deflections.
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Does anybody have an answer as to why Budenholzer would challenge a foul call, up 40, with 7 secs to go in the 3rd Q? I thought that was bizarre.
The shimmy.
This game was an attempt to embarrass Atlanta. A completely unnecessary challenge was part of that effort. Saving a 5th foul on a reserve when you are up 40 points is NOT a thing.
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The shimmy.
This game was an attempt to embarrass Atlanta. A completely unnecessary challenge was part of that effort. Saving a 5th foul on a reserve when you are up 40 points is NOT a thing.
It is when backups are going to play the entire fourth quarter and one of those backups just picked up a fifth foul with 14 minutes left in the game.
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It is when backups are going to play the entire fourth quarter and one of those backups just picked up a fifth foul with 14 minutes left in the game.
No. The backups who played in the 4th were from a lot deeper on the bench than Pat.
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There’s a part of me that wonders how much Atlanta was just satisfied with the split, and that’s why it was so lopsided. But the Bucks did look like a much better team. They played with way more intensity than Game 1.
They did a great job of cutting off the head of the snake by swarming Young in the paint and using their length for deflections.
With all due respect, not at all. The Bucks went on a 20-0 run midway through the 2nd quarter. It wasn’t a 10-12 pt game in the 3rd that Atlanta just rolled over in, they got their doors blown off early and often.
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No. The backups who played in the 4th were from a lot deeper on the bench than Pat.
Right. Because Pat has 5 fouls with 14 minutes left in the game.
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Does anybody have an answer as to why Budenholzer would challenge a foul call, up 40, with 7 secs to go in the 3rd Q? I thought that was bizarre.
This was applaudable pettiness from Bud. Pat got a couple cheap ones, the game was over so 🤷🏼♂️
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This was applaudable pettiness from Bud. Pat got a couple cheap ones, the game was over so 🤷🏼♂️
My point exactly.
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I was at the game, so not sure how much they showed Bud when he challenged, but if you didn't see it, his challenge motion to Scott Foster had this energy
(https://i.gifer.com/2dRB.gif)
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I was at the game, so not sure how much they showed Bud when he challenged, but if you didn't see it, his challenge motion to Scott Foster had this energy
(https://i.gifer.com/2dRB.gif)
I feel some micro-aggression here, GB. I may have to report you to the mods. :o
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This Suns-Clips series is objectively horrible. Every game has been awful or grinding in some way. They may not hit 50 in a single quarter tonight
EDIT: both teams under 38% shooting and a combined 9/45 from 3. Holy hell. And it’s not cause the defense has been thrilling and tight
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This Suns-Clips series is objectively horrible. Every game has been awful or grinding in some way. They may not hit 50 in a single quarter tonight
EDIT: both teams under 38% shooting and a combined 9/45 from 3. Holy hell. And it’s not cause the defense has been thrilling and tight
I thought game one was pretty damn good. Game two wasn't good but had the exciting finish. Not great since then. Tonight is particularly awful.
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This Suns-Clips series is objectively horrible. Every game has been awful or grinding in some way. They may not hit 50 in a single quarter tonight
EDIT: both teams under 38% shooting and a combined 9/45 from 3. Holy hell. And it’s not cause the defense has been thrilling and tight
Exactly right. I don't want to hear it's because of great defense. This is a brick-fest. I don't think either team has scored in 6 full mins of game-time.
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I thought game one was pretty damn good. Game two wasn't good but had the exciting finish. Not great since then. Tonight is particularly awful.
Awful is being kind. I’d rather watch the Pat Riley Knicks teams. This is hideous.
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Awful is being kind. I’d rather watch the Pat Riley Knicks teams. This is hideous.
It's as if they have no idea what to do other than the two best players on each team go one. Hideous fundamental basketball.
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I'm absolutely dumbfounded watching the end of this game. Never seen so many boneheaded plays in my life.
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I thought game one was pretty damn good. Game two wasn't good but had the exciting finish. Not great since then. Tonight is particularly awful.
Game 1 was good but still featured an awful first quarter. Game 2 had about 40 min of bad basketball with a good ending.
This is just offensive. Chris Paul has come back and completely slowed down the pace and tempo of the Suns offense to a major detriment
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This Suns-Clips series is objectively horrible. Every game has been awful or grinding in some way. They may not hit 50 in a single quarter tonight
EDIT: both teams under 38% shooting and a combined 9/45 from 3. Holy hell. And it’s not cause the defense has been thrilling and tight
Overreaction. This is just like 90's playoff games.
Example? When the Bulls beat Utah, no team scored even 100 points - in the entire series. If fact, 90 points was reached by one team only twice.
Bulls shot 43% for the series thanks to Kukoc. Jordan shot 42%; Pippen 41%. No one else scored more than 5 pts a game. Only one Jazz player scored more than 10.7 a game.
And that was better offense than the Championship series the year before.
Ugly, slow, and boring. Just like tonite's game. Nothing new to see.
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Overreaction. This is just like 90's playoff games.
Example? When the Bulls beat Utah, no team scored even 100 points - in the entire series. If fact, 90 points was reached by one team only twice.
Bulls shot 43% for the series thanks to Kukoc. Jordan shot 42%; Pippen 41%. No one else scored more than 5 pts a game. Only one Jazz player scored more than 10.7 a game.
And that was better offense than the Championship series the year before.
Ugly, slow, and boring. Just like tonite's game. Nothing new to see.
Can you be anything but needlessly contrarian lately? I never said it was historically bad, or would be remembered in in a decade, it’s just crappy basketball. Then you had to add some worthless “well actually…”
Basketball series that happened 25 years ago have nothing to do with the quality of the game today. It’s a far more free flowing offensive style of basketball with emphasis on the 3pt shot. The Bulls averaged under 100 pts a game in the 97/98 season, and just over 100 the year before. That’s not even the same realm as two teams who averaged around 115 for the season.
Tonight’s game wasn’t slow and boring, both teams had about 85 possessions, it was just terrible basketball.
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It's hard to get into this series without Kawhi. I can't think of a star player less suited to go it alone than Paul George.
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That was the worst NBA playoff game I have seen in a long, long time.
For one thing, the refs let the game get way too physical; that happens early in games sometimes and the refs reel it in. This time, they didn't.
Most of the ugliness was on the players and coaches, though. It was horrendous basketball.
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That was the worst NBA playoff game I have seen in a long, long time.
For one thing, the refs let the game get way too physical; that happens early in games sometimes and the refs reel it in. This time, they didn't.
Most of the ugliness was on the players and coaches, though. It was horrendous basketball.
Also, I have no idea what either the players or the coaches were doing on Phoenix to close that game. They fouled up three with 13.5 secs left. Then they nearly turn the ball over but get a favorable whistle and sink two free throws. I'm not sure why the play wasn't reviewed because it probably would have been Clippers ball .
They foui again up 3 with 7 secs left which wasn't so bad even though George wasn't in a great scoring position. But after sinking two more free throws, to get it back to 3, and the Clippers going the length of the court, they foul immediately, 90 ft from the rim with about 3 secs remaining The Clipper player literally had his back to the basket 90 ft away, it would have taken him 2-3 secs to gather and heave a shot from beyond half court and they could have fouled before that and knocked another 2 full secs off the clock. Terrible game management despite Mark Jackson saying they should foul at 13.5 secs.
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Also, I have no idea what either the players or the coaches were doing on Phoenix to close that game. They fouled up three with 13.5 secs left. Then they nearly turn the ball over but get a favorable whistle and sink two free throws. I'm not sure why the play wasn't reviewed because it probably would have been Clippers ball .
They foui again up 3 with 7 secs left which wasn't so bad even though George wasn't in a great scoring position. But after sinking two more free throws, to get it back to 3, and the Clippers going the length of the court, they foul immediately, 90 ft from the rim with about 3 secs remaining The Clipper player literally had his back to the basket 90 ft away, it would have taken him 2-3 secs to gather and heave a shot from beyond half court and they could have fouled before that and knocked another 2 full secs off the clock. Terrible game management despite Mark Jackson saying they should foul at 13.5 secs.
I wouldn't have fouled any of those times. The Clippers couldn't hit 3s all game. But like you, I at least could see the point to the one with about 7 seconds left. The foul with 3 seconds left was especially idiotic and gave the Clippers their only chance to actually win the game.
Most NBA coaches do not foul up 3 in those situations.
NBA refs are far more likely to call continuation than college refs are. NBA players are better than college players at making it look like they were shooting. NBA players are stronger and more used to shooting through contact, so if they are fouled while shooting they are more likely to get a chance at a 4-point play. Lots of NBA bigs are great at getting their hand on a missed FT and slapping it outside, where a teammate could be waiting to shoot a 3 that would win the game. NBA refs rarely enforce in-the-lane-too-early calls, and they mostly allow mortal combat in the lane on last-second rebound battles.
For all of those reasons, NBA coaches mostly are content to try to force opponents to shoot rushed and/or well-defended 3s.
Related: Because refs do allow mortal combat on FT misses, I was surprised Saric was called for fouling Cousins on a rebound battle with 6 seconds left. Of course, replays showed the ref blew the call, as it was Cousins who had hooked Saric. That foul call could have given LA a chance to tie, but Playoff P again had choked from the FT line. Anyway, it did give Cousins 2 shots and yet another attempt for LA to try to miss on purpose, but he fired his intentional miss off the backboard, seemingly not knowing a rule that even many middle-schoolers do. All part of the shyteshow that was that horrendous game.
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I wouldn't have fouled any of those times. The Clippers couldn't hit 3s all game. But like you, I at least could see the point to the one with about 7 seconds left. The foul with 3 seconds left was especially idiotic and gave the Clippers their only chance to actually win the game.
Most NBA coaches do not foul up 3 in those situations.
NBA refs are far more likely to call continuation than college refs are. NBA players are better than college players at making it look like they were shooting. NBA players are stronger and more used to shooting through contact, so if they are fouled while shooting they are more likely to get a chance at a 4-point play. Lots of NBA bigs are great at getting their hand on a missed FT and slapping it outside, where a teammate could be waiting to shoot a 3 that would win the game. NBA refs rarely enforce in-the-lane-too-early calls, and they mostly allow mortal combat in the lane on last-second rebound battles.
For all of those reasons, NBA coaches mostly are content to try to force opponents to shoot rushed and/or well-defended 3s.
Related: Because refs do allow mortal combat on FT misses, I was surprised Saric was called for fouling Cousins on a rebound battle with 6 seconds left. Of course, replays showed the ref blew the call, as it was Cousins who had hooked Saric. That foul call could have given LA a chance to tie, but Playoff P again had choked from the FT line. Anyway, it did give Cousins 2 shots and yet another attempt for LA to try to miss on purpose, but he fired his intentional miss off the backboard, seemingly not knowing a rule that even many middle-schoolers do. All part of the shyteshow that was that horrendous game.
We agree here. There's a difference say with a team in bounding at half court and five secs left down 3. I wouldn't have fouled any of those times last night, they were pretty fortunate. And the foul 90 ft from the rim at 3 secs left was one of the dumbest things I've ever seen. Could you imagine if that game was lost on that play? I thought the game actually WAS historically bad with awful fundamentals and execution. It was far more than great D or missing open looks. These were very poor possessions with the players and coaches seemingly gripping psychologically and in full meltdown mode.
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Can you be anything but needlessly contrarian lately? I never said it was historically bad, or would be remembered in in a decade, it’s just crappy basketball. Then you had to add some worthless “well actually…”
Maybe so, but this IS playoff basketball. Past championships are remembered fondly, but a lot of the time it was very ugly. Try watching Bulls-Pistons from the early 90s. Absolutely brutal. Almost unwatchable. Almost as bad as last night.
Today, if teams aren't hitting 3s, it is almost always ugly. People here called the Bucks-Nets series ugly, as well, but that was/is more the norm in the NBA come playoff time.
You say the game has changed, and it has. But that change is way more evident in the regular season than it is in the playoffs. And the deeper you get in the post-season, the "uglier" the games tend to get.
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Maybe so, but this IS playoff basketball. Past championships are remembered fondly, but a lot of the time it was very ugly. Try watching Bulls-Pistons from the early 90s. Absolutely brutal. Almost unwatchable. Almost as bad as last night.
Today, if teams aren't hitting 3s, it is almost always ugly. People here called the Bucks-Nets series ugly, as well, but that was/is more the norm in the NBA come playoff time.
You say the game has changed, and it has. But that change is way more evident in the regular season than it is in the playoffs. And the deeper you get in the post-season, the "uglier" the games tend to get.
Perusing the box scorers from the Bulls/Pistons there's no question there were a couple of dud offensive games. But of course the style of play was much more physical and both were considered very good defensive teams. Last night the teams combined to go 9-51 from downtown. There was a stretch in the 4th Q when it was like 4-2 after six mins. I'm not saying you're wrong Jockey but last night was a dumpster fire, and has to be in the discussion among the worst playoff games ever when you take into account both teams and their futility.
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Bucks come out with three turns their first three possessions. Down a touchdown early because of a complete lack of focus. This is why people are often frustrated with their play.
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Marv Albert should move his retirement to halftime.
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Yea, when he said Thanasis subbed in for Solomon Hill, I wasn’t sure if we got a new player.
If the Hawks want to keep shooting 35 footers, I’m here for it.
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Yea, when he said Thanasis subbed in for Solomon Hill, I wasn’t sure if we got a new player.
If the Hawks want to keep shooting 35 footers, I’m here for it.
Good for Trae for proving he can make them at a 25% clip. Keep going.
Bucks should be thrilled with that half. Got Giannis to the half with two fouls and still very active on both ends, and they overcame the Hawks surge you had to know was coming.
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The Hawks are +21 from 3 and it's tied. The Bucks need to come out in the 3Qwith a sense of urgency and take control.
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Holiday is having a brutal game. Way out of control.
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Disappointing to see the lack of poise from the Bucks.
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I’m about to flip out with the lack of energy and urgency. Just terrible.
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I’m about to flip out with the lack of energy and urgency. Just terrible.
Been a problem in the playoffs for the 3rd year in a row now.
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The time is now if you're the Bucks. Usurp this game, now. Drop the hammer.
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Was literally about to post how maddening and disappointing Middleton has been and then he just went supernova
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Was literally about to post how maddening and disappointing Middleton has been and then he just went supernova
He anticipated your post. It would be nice if Holiday made a shot down the stretch.
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McMillan is going to be questioned why he stuck with a clearly limited Trae when Lou Williams was playing well.
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Middleton took over at one end. Holiday at the other end.
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Middleton had a pretty good 4Q.
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Bucks in 5.
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You're either hot or you're due. Khris was due
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Question: Do you have to pay to watch the game outside in the "Deer District"?
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No.
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That's a really cool thing for the fans.
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That's a really cool thing for the fans.
It’s cool when the TNT guys come to town. Against Toronto 2 years ago, they were super friendly during commercial breaks talking with the crowd. Chuck’s a funny guy.
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Only allowed 2 points in the last 4 minutes. Hawks only got 6 shots off in those 4 minutes (+2 FTs). 3 of them were on the same possession.
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Only allowed 2 points in the last 4 minutes. Hawks only got 6 shots off in those 4 minutes (+2 FTs). 3 of them were on the same possession.
Do you think it's essentially over? It seems like the Bucks have the perfect opportunity.
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Do you think it's essentially over? It seems like the Bucks have the perfect opportunity.
Stars seem to be aligning...but I've been a Milwaukee sports fan for too long to believe that anything is essentially over
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Stars seem to be aligning...but I've been a Milwaukee sports fan for too long to believe that anything is essentially over
The NBA radio guys were ripping on Giannis for some reason after the game. "Airballed free throws, took dumb shots, does the same move offensively, etc, etc." Kinda weird considering he dropped 33 with 11.
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The NBA radio guys were ripping on Giannis for some reason after the game. "Airballed free throws, took dumb shots, does the same move offensively, etc, etc." Kinda weird considering he dropped 33 with 11.
Took exactly 2 dumb shots and was 1 for 2 on said shots.
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Took exactly 2 dumb shots and was 1 for 2 on said shots.
They literally said "He only took two shots in the 4th Q while Middleton took 13". Uhhhh.....wtf? Did they notice Middleton dropped 20 in the quarter and was sort of on fire? I'm not sure who these clowns are....one is Jason Jackson. They seemed to intimate the Hawks would have won if Young didn't turn his ankle.
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The Bucks were never losing that game. The Hawks road the energy of the crowd to a big first quarter lead like everyone knew they would. The Bucks weathered the storm and hung in there. The Hawks needed to be up 15 at the half. They were tied. They were not going to win that game.
They could still win the series, but the Bucks will need to play poorly for it to happen (which they are capable of).
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The Bucks were never losing that game. The Hawks road the energy of the crowd to a big first quarter lead like everyone knew they would. The Bucks weathered the storm and hung in there. The Hawks needed to be up 15 at the half. They were tied. They were not going to win that game.
They could still win the series, but the Bucks will need to play poorly for it to happen (which they are capable of).
Do you think the Bucks should win the chip based on their talent level vs the remaining teams? It hard to disagree they are capable of meltdowns.
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Was literally about to post how maddening and disappointing Middleton has been and then he just went supernova
I was thinking the same thing. Then he went off, and I felt bad for questioning his effort/focus.
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Do you think the Bucks should win the chip based on their talent level vs the remaining teams? It hard to disagree they are capable of meltdowns.
The Suns are very good. Jae defended Giannis well last year, and Ayton will be waiting as a help defender. Booker and CP3 will shoot 87 elbow jumpers off the high pick and roll from Ayton while Brook is dropping. I see the Suns as just as good as the Bucks, and Booker already gets the all star whistle that nobody on the Bucks does.
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The Suns are very good. Jae defended Giannis well last year, and Ayton will be waiting as a help defender. Booker and CP3 will shoot 87 elbow jumpers off the high pick and roll from Ayton while Brook is dropping. I see the Suns as just as good as the Bucks, and Booker already gets the all star whistle that nobody on the Bucks does.
The Suns are a terrible matchup for the Bucks. I think they’d rather see the Clippers if they get that far. As a fan, an NBA Finals against either doesn’t matter to me because I never thought I’d see it. Beat the Hawks first and let the chips fall where they may
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They literally said "He only took two shots in the 4th Q while Middleton took 13". Uhhhh.....wtf? Did they notice Middleton dropped 20 in the quarter and was sort of on fire? I'm not sure who these clowns are....one is Jason Jackson. They seemed to intimate the Hawks would have won if Young didn't turn his ankle.
I don't pay too much attention to Shaq or Chuck when they talk about basketball strategy. Usually they go back to their 90s era thinking where isolations ruled and stars were the ones who isolated.
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The Suns are very good. Jae defended Giannis well last year, and Ayton will be waiting as a help defender. Booker and CP3 will shoot 87 elbow jumpers off the high pick and roll from Ayton while Brook is dropping. I see the Suns as just as good as the Bucks, and Booker already gets the all star whistle that nobody on the Bucks does.
Ayton has really improved but he's their only big. I love Jae but he shouldn't be able to guard Giannis. I think it would be an intriguing series if it happens. When Middleton plays well the Bucks generally win. Remember in that potential match-up there's not much Finals experience on either squad.
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The Suns are a terrible matchup for the Bucks. I think they’d rather see the Clippers if they get that far. As a fan, an NBA Finals against either doesn’t matter to me because I never thought I’d see it. Beat the Hawks first and let the chips fall where they may
Yeah, they are tough and deep in the areas that can cause the Bucks headaches. Jae and Bridges are x-factors.
These two teams are capable of delivering the series we thought we were getting with Bucks-Nets
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Do you think the Bucks should win the chip based on their talent level vs the remaining teams? It hard to disagree they are capable of meltdowns.
I think the Bucks most likely lose to PHX in 5 or 6. If LAC gets through the Bucks have a good shot.
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Bucks would handle the Clippers pretty easily. Phoenix is an awful matchup, but based on both regular season games, would be an insanely competitive series.
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I don't pay too much attention to Shaq or Chuck when they talk about basketball strategy. Usually they go back to their 90s era thinking where isolations ruled and stars were the ones who isolated.
He said NBA radio, not NBA on TNT.
Chuck has been pretty favorable towards the Bucks for awhile.
Shaq has moments where he's actually a very good analyst. But too often he gets caught up in the banter with Chuck or being a wily old veteran talking to youths and loses the plot. The former is way more easy and fun, and the latter is something that I think a lot of former stars have to actively fight against when talking the current game.
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I thought Chuck has had some pretty good insights about Giannis and how he needs to stop shooting 3s. Their analysis isn’t very deep, but entertaining.
Also, it’s way better than when they make them try to talk about College Basketball.
Other than Marv/Reggie, my least favorite part of the coverage was all the awful Space Jam previews. The first is a classic (biased nostalgia). This one looks pretty bad.
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He said NBA radio, not NBA on TNT.
Radio, TV - what’s the difference, what’s the big deal.
Watch out, Sultan will call you pedantic, lol.
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Radio, TV - what’s the difference, what’s the big deal.
Watch out, Sultan will call you pedantic, lol.
Chicos has something to scream into the void.
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Jackson and Van Gundy were talking about Paul George not doing enough for the Clippers in the first half. Breen offered that George had 11 points, 4 rebounds and 4 assists. Jackson said that stats can be misleading and that somebody with 2 points can have more impact than someone with 20. And Van Gundy said that sometimes you just have to trust your eyes, and his eyes say George needs to do more.
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Jae back into one of his can't hit water if he fell out of a boat stretches. Hopefully means he will get back on a hot streak for the finals.
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Wow … George was tremendous in the third quarter.
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Jackson and Van Gundy were talking about Paul George not doing enough for the Clippers in the first half. Breen offered that George had 11 points, 4 rebounds and 4 assists. Jackson said that stats can be misleading and that somebody with 2 points can have more impact than someone with 20. And Van Gundy said that sometimes you just have to trust your eyes, and his eyes say George needs to do more.
How bad in general is ESPN with their coverage of the NBA? From their announcers, pre/post-game analysts, SAS, etc? Minus Tim Legler and Breen is their anyone there involved with the NBA that is remotely decent at their job? I know I am biased but I'm asking this with all seriousness.
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Dumb play by Crowder. Heck of a win for the Clippers.
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Playoff P
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How bad in general is ESPN with their coverage of the NBA? From their announcers, pre/post-game analysts, SAS, etc? Minus Tim Legler and Breen is their anyone there involved with the NBA that is remotely decent at their job? I know I am biased but I'm asking this with all seriousness.
Agreed. Bremen and Legler are excellent. No one else rates as even good.
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How bad in general is ESPN with their coverage of the NBA? From their announcers, pre/post-game analysts, SAS, etc? Minus Tim Legler and Breen is their anyone there involved with the NBA that is remotely decent at their job? I know I am biased but I'm asking this with all seriousness.
Doris Burke is still very good. He loses the plot and rambles sometimes but Van Gundy overall can be a very good analyst.
Not sure why they don’t move Maria Taylor to a more prominent hosting role with the NBA in the playoffs
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The problem is that Van Gundy oftentimes does a schtick instead of analyzing. And its really annoying. Breen is great. I think their studio is improving.
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Doris Burke is still very good. He loses the plot and rambles sometimes but Van Gundy overall can be a very good analyst.
Not sure why they don’t move Maria Taylor to a more prominent hosting role with the NBA in the playoffs
Oh God. I think Burke is absolutely terrible. And the only person worse is Mark Jones, so putting those two together makes it so hard for me to watch when they're on the call.
I love Van Gundy. He's great and usually calls it like it is. Breen is great. Jackson works well with Van Gundy. I love when they have the call.
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Mike Breen is the man
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2021/06/suns-clippers-kawhi-leonard-mike-breen-call (https://ftw.usatoday.com/2021/06/suns-clippers-kawhi-leonard-mike-breen-call)
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I forgot about Hubie Brown. Hard not to like that guy. I remember Jack Ramsay was great back in the day on radio. He loved vintage Wade.
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Oh God. I think Burke is absolutely terrible. And the only person worse is Mark Jones, so putting those two together makes it so hard for me to watch when they're on the call.
I think she is game and PBP partner dependent. Sometimes she's great, sometimes she's not so good. Mark Jones stinks tho, you wont get any argument there.
I forgot about Hubie Brown. Hard not to like that guy. I remember Jack Ramsay was great back in the day on radio. He loved vintage Wade.
Hubie Brown used to be great. But he's almost 90 and has lost a lot of steps. He's prone to making comments and observations that are just like "wtf?!" and getting players wrong, etc... He's a legend and used to be fantastic, but as we've said before when talking about Marv Albert, they just leave a lot of these guys on the air for far too long.
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Dick Stockton was still doing NFL games last season.
There are so many good, quality voices out there. Why the networks stick with guys too long is amazing to me.
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Does Ian Eagle ever do national broadcasts for the NBA? I know he does the NCAA Tournament and NFL games, and I believe he's still the Nets' TV play by play guy. But he should be doing NBA Playoff games.
Brian Anderson does earlier rounds for TNT, right? He does a good enough job. Would love to see Eagle, Anderson, Breen, and Harlan be the main play by play guys for the NBA Playoffs.
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Does Ian Eagle ever do national broadcasts for the NBA? I know he does the NCAA Tournament and NFL games, and I believe he's still the Nets' TV play by play guy. But he should be doing NBA Playoff games.
Brian Anderson does earlier rounds for TNT, right? He does a good enough job. Would love to see Eagle, Anderson, Breen, and Harlan be the main play by play guys for the NBA Playoffs.
Ian Eagle is the best play by play man for both pro/college hoops and football on TV. By far imo. I believe he works for TNT. His son is also excellent on the Clippers Radio Network. I love Kevin Harlan as well but Eagle is always fantastic. He is better prepared than anyone and knows hoops.
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nm Muggs answered.
I prefer Harlan though.
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I think she is game and PBP partner dependent. Sometimes she's great, sometimes she's not so good. Mark Jones stinks tho, you wont get any argument there.
Hubie Brown used to be great. But he's almost 90 and has lost a lot of steps. He's prone to making comments and observations that are just like "wtf?!" and getting players wrong, etc... He's a legend and used to be fantastic, but as we've said before when talking about Marv Albert, they just leave a lot of these guys on the air for far too long.
Fair Point JWags. Marv is s complete disaster right now. It's actually totally unacceptable despite the fact that he's retiring.
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I mentioned before how good some of these NBA radio guys are on their broadcasts. Davis is great for the Bucks and McInnis for the Sixers is also awesome. I would cash in my portfolio if we could get either of these guys to take over Marquette Hoops on radio. Honestly, I think we need a change and a person with prime-time talent and energy. We absolutely need to market our program better. I have no doubt we will turn the corner and be back to national prominence.
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How many people actually listen to Marquette radio play by play these days? On the list of things to market the program, it would be ranked approximately 39th.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/TreyLAC_/status/1409211601593401345?s=19
CP3 is one dirty player. Tried to clip him a step earlier, wasn’t able to, then wanted to do it so bad he went so far as to risk shredding his own hammy to clip Kennard.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/TreyLAC_/status/1409211601593401345?s=19
CP3 is one dirty player. Tried to clip him a step earlier, wasn’t able to, then wanted to do it so bad he went so far as to risk shredding his own hammy to clip Kennard.
CP3 is dirty but I don't think there's much there. Looks like he just slipped. If he doesn't slip you never would even notice the first "attempt".
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Video isn't clear enough for me there and I didn't watch it live. Could be a situation where you see what you want to see - I can interpret that video both ways - a slip, and an awkward extension with the intent to trip.
Meanwhile, I thought Jae's F1 on PG last night was particularly bad - was actually kind of surprised it was not an F2 given he had eyes on his follow-through straight into PG's face.
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Changing the subject:
I'd like to start a discussion of Tyronn Lue. I'm interested in people's opinion of him as a head coach.
I will give my opinion after seeing a couple responses.
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Lue's fantastic. Probably have him in a group just behind Spoelstra, Pop and Nurse.
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Changing the subject:
I'd like to start a discussion of Tyronn Lue. I'm interested in people's opinion of him as a head coach.
I will give my opinion after seeing a couple responses.
Behind Pop he is in that next group of Nurse, Spoelstra. He is something like 10-2 in elimination games and 12-1 in clinching games.
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Lue's fantastic. Probably have him in a group just behind Spoelstra, Pop and Nurse.
Surprised after the 1st 2 responses, but I agree completely.
His record deserves it, but I remember in Cleveland, where the consensus was that he lucked into the job cuz he was LeBron's buddy and only won because of LBJ.
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I give Lue a lot of credit for making strategic changes on the fly, similar to Nick Nurse. I also think he has the perfect demeanor for a head coach. Always confident but not cocky. I never see the guy really rattled during or after the game, nor are there major histrionics on the sidelines. A team is as confident as his/her coach. It's an extremely important quality and can absolutely impact winning imo.
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Surprised after the 1st 2 responses, but I agree completely.
His record deserves it, but I remember in Cleveland, where the consensus was that he lucked into the job cuz he was LeBron's buddy and only won because of LBJ.
I fell into this group during his time in Cleveland, but he's proven to be a good coach and his players clearly buy in.
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Lue's fantastic. Probably have him in a group just behind Spoelstra, Pop and Nurse.
Its interesting, I still don't think he's an overly impressive coach tactically or X&Os, but he's proven to be an awesome chemistry guy who can manage personalities and get the most out of his team. Do I think he'd be as good of a coach on a team like Charlotte or the Pacers? Probably not. But then again, Phil Jackson was of that mold and was supreme at guiding talented superstar ego laden teams. Lue seems to be similar.
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I fell into this group during his time in Cleveland, but he's proven to be a good coach and his players clearly buy in.
Same.
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Its interesting, I still don't think he's an overly impressive coach tactically or X&Os, but he's proven to be an awesome chemistry guy who can manage personalities and get the most out of his team. Do I think he'd be as good of a coach on a team like Charlotte or the Pacers? Probably not. But then again, Phil Jackson was of that mold and was supreme at guiding talented superstar ego laden teams. Lue seems to be similar.
When I posed this question, this was my main opinion. Without MJ, Phil probably never wins a title or is in the HoF. Without LBJ, Lue never wins a title with a chance for another. But because they had these guys, they were able to win and, in the process, show that they were quality coaches.
Whether it be players or coaches, getting the right opportunity means everything - both in winning and in legacy.
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Trae Young out tonight. Wow just wow. I'm shocked. Bucks need to drop the hammer.
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Allows Trae to play the what-ifs when they were losing in 5 regardless.
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Allows Trae to play the what-ifs when they were losing in 5 regardless.
Could be? He stepped on the ref's foot. I never thought in a million years he would miss a game because of that.
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To be clear, not suggesting he's not legitimately hurt or skipping out. Not in their fabric. Just saying what the narrative will be.
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To be clear, not suggesting he's not legitimately hurt or skipping out. Not in their fabric. Just saying what the narrative will be.
Good point. But honestly I'm super surprised. You see guys step on another's foot all the time. And he was basically stationary. Maybe he tweaked another injury?
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When I posed this question, this was my main opinion. Without MJ, Phil probably never wins a title or is in the HoF. Without LBJ, Lue never wins a title with a chance for another. But because they had these guys, they were able to win and, in the process, show that they were quality coaches.
Whether it be players or coaches, getting the right opportunity means everything - both in winning and in legacy.
Ability to manage egos is the single most important part of an NBA coach's job, and an MLB manager's job, too. You can be great at tactical stuff, but if you can't keep "the room" together, you can't win, especially in basketball.
Jackson was the best I've ever seen, though more and more of today's coaches follow that blueprint.
I think Lue is really good, and he's the kind of guy I root for.
And of course opportunity (and/or timing and/or good fortune) is huge. In baseball, Torre was the best ... but he didn't win big with the Mets or Cardinals or Braves. He needed the opportunity to manage the Yankees to have it all fall into place for him. Some might say, "But anybody could have won with those teams." 1. Wrong. 2. We'll never know. 3. What we do know is taht Joe DID win with them.
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Once again, starting the game with zero urgency when you have a chance to bury them.
It happens too often under Bud.
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The Bucks are just so unimpressive for a good team.
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Another poor start for the Bucks. Hopefully they get together.
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Bucks have been terrible. Officiating nearly as bad.
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Would somebody please let the Bucks know that the game has started?
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Is Young not playing? I'm not sure if Reggie Miller has told us?
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Ability to manage egos is the single most important part of an NBA coach's job, and an MLB manager's job, too. You can be great at tactical stuff, but if you can't keep "the room" together, you can't win, especially in basketball.
Jackson was the best I've ever seen, though more and more of today's coaches follow that blueprint.
I think Lue is really good, and he's the kind of guy I root for.
And of course opportunity (and/or timing and/or good fortune) is huge. In baseball, Torre was the best ... but he didn't win big with the Mets or Cardinals or Braves. He needed the opportunity to manage the Yankees to have it all fall into place for him. Some might say, "But anybody could have won with those teams." 1. Wrong. 2. We'll never know. 3. What we do know is taht Joe DID win with them.
Yes, Jackson was great at managing egos, but Talent wins. He could have managed egos better than anyone in history, but he won because MJ was one of his players.
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Bad play,bad officiating, bad announcing.
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Bad play,bad officiating, bad announcing.
Yup.
But no excuses. That was a putrid half of basketball from the Bucks. WTH are they doing in their h-c offense?
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Beyond embarrassing - Effort and execution.
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It’s not the officials fault that the Bucks weren’t ready to play.
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Beyond embarrassing - Effort and execution.
I think this is exactly right. No poise whatsoever. 38 pts?? Where's the intensity?
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I think this is exactly right. No poise whatsoever. 38 pts?? Where's the intensity?
I have no good answer for you on the intensity. They were sleepwalking and it is unacceptable. But ATL also becomes a very good defensive team without Trae. 96 DRTG if I remember correctly.
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They’re playing as if they needed to win one out of two on the road and they’ve accomplished that. Really shortsighted. They could end the series tonight.
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They’re playing as if they needed to win one out of two on the road and they’ve accomplished that. Really shortsighted. They could end the series tonight.
Couldn't agree more. There is zero excuse for going through the motions.
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Wow. That didn't look good with Giannis.
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#34 is done. Hyperextended, twisted= acl
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That looked bad. Afraid that's the end for Giannis this season, hopefully not ACL and he can at least be back next season.
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He may be okay. But man....these guys are catatonic. It's extremely strange to me.
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Tucker scored, they cut it to 5, they were taking the game over, and then, for reasons i'm not clear about, Tucker's basket was disallowed and its been all downhill ever since.
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Tucker scored, they cut it to 5, they were taking the game over, and then, for reasons i'm not clear about, Tucker's basket was disallowed and its been all downhill ever since.
Brook was clearing out by extending his arm. Good call.
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Tucker scored, they cut it to 5, they were taking the game over, and then, for reasons i'm not clear about, Tucker's basket was disallowed and its been all downhill ever since.
Ya....I didn't see an offensive foul there.
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Ya....I didn't see an offensive foul there.
Brook lifted his elbow into the defender’s face and held him back. It was obvious.
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Tucker scored, they cut it to 5, they were taking the game over, and then, for reasons i'm not clear about, Tucker's basket was disallowed and its been all downhill ever since.
So … because of that one play, the Bucks fall behind by 100? Riiiight.
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Giannis could be done. Wow....what a bummer. Even so that's not an excuse for this performance.
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Giannis could be done. Wow....what a bummer. Even so that's not an excuse for this performance.
Whatever. It's done. Doesn't matter.
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So … because of that one play, the Bucks fall behind by 100? Riiiight.
Please!
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Whatever. It's done. Doesn't matter.
What's done?
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Yes, Jackson was great at managing egos, but Talent wins. He could have managed egos better than anyone in history, but he won because MJ was one of his players.
Of course, Jock. Red and Pop and Daly needed talent, too. Only a fool would argue otherwise.
Jackson never won a title without a roster that included either Jordan or Bryant. Of course, neither Jordan nor Bryant ever won a title without Jackson.
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What's done?
They can't do it without Giannis.
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They can't do it without Giannis.
No. I would agree with that. Certainly not the Finals if they get there.
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I will say this: I'm impressed with Huerter. Really good player with underrated overall skills. Much quicker and better off the bounce than I imagined. And he's a legitimate 6'7.
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A complete and utter disaster for the bucks. Absolute choke job.
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The TNT crew just absolutely shredded Budenholzer and the Bucks. "Not ready to play." Hard to disagree with their assessment.
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For the Hawks this is following the exact same pattern as the Sixers series.
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For the Hawks this is following the exact same pattern as the Sixers series.
I thought what Barkley said was pretty spot-on tonight. He said the Bucks basically slepwalked in the first half and tried to turn it on in the 3rd Q. You simply cannot play that way in Game 4 of the ECF.
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After what happened the last two years and in the Nets' series you would think they would realize that you have to go pedal to the metal all the time if you want a championship. Just don't understand these guys.
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After what happened the last two years and in the Nets' series you would think they would realize that you have to go pedal to the metal all the time if you want a championship. Just don't understand these guys.
True Dat. I was puzzled by the obvious lethargy. Now the Hawks did play well....but still.
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Of course, Jock. Red and Pop and Daly needed talent, too. Only a fool would argue otherwise.
Jackson never won a title without a roster that included either Jordan or Bryant. Of course, neither Jordan nor Bryant ever won a title without Jackson.
:) :) We’ve had this discussion before. I think we are about 90% in agreement and a ways apart on the other 10%
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I will say this: I'm impressed with Huerter. Really good player with underrated overall skills. Much quicker and better off the bounce than I imagined. And he's a legitimate 6'7.
There were tons of memes and internet jokes about Huerter after the clincher in the Sixers series, which was incredibly stupid. He was Mr Basketball in NY, a top 60 recruit, and played for USA basketball, plus he was a top 20 pick. Just cause he’s a ginger doesn’t mean he’s some journeyman bum. Dude has been a baller his entire career.
As for the Bucks, I can’t fathom how they continue to start so slow. Bud bears a lot of responsibility there. Even still, before Giannis’ injury, the tide was turning. They got it to 5, Atlanta answered, but the Bucks started to get a rhythm. After the injury, they just looked shell shocked and checked out. Again, can’t help but look at coaching there.
But man this sucks. I haven’t felt this sick about an injury since Dominic James broke his foot.
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Of course they were shell shocked. What's tough for me to understand is why Bud didn't see that and call a timeout until the lead got to 20.
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Of course they were shell shocked. What's tough for me to understand is why Bud didn't see that and call a timeout until the lead got to 20.
I was listening on the radio at that point and could not understand how it went that long without a timeout.
I’m still hopeful they can beat Atlanta. Maybe we finally get some urgency out of this team and Middleton and Holiday can carry them through.
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:) :) We’ve had this discussion before. I think we are about 90% in agreement and a ways apart on the other 10%
You're allowed to be 10% wrong. That's a pretty good percentage, Jock!
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It's not just on Bud. The lack of consistency by Middleton and Holiday is frustrating as well. They are letting Jrue shoot and he just can't do it consistently.
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It's not just on Bud. The lack of consistency by Middleton and Holiday is frustrating as well. They are letting Jrue shoot and he just can't do it consistently.
Lost in Middleton’s hot 4th quarter, was the Bucks kind of sleepwalking through most of Game 3. It seems like they thought with Young out they could coast and flip the switch late again.
I don’t think this Bucks team is too mentally strong. Even with Kidd they’d go stretches of seeming like they are going through the motions. I don’t think Giannis and Middleton are guys that value each possession. Which regular season is fine, but really hurts in the playoffs.
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Lost in Middleton’s hot 4th quarter, was the Bucks kind of sleepwalking through most of Game 3. It seems like they thought with Young out they could coast and flip the switch late again.
I don’t think this Bucks team is too mentally strong. Even with Kidd they’d go stretches of seeming like they are going through the motions. I don’t think Giannis and Middleton are guys that value each possession. Which regular season is fine, but really hurts in the playoffs.
Barkley at halftime: "This Bucks team doesn't have a killer."
I have been saying this for a couple years now.
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Barkley at halftime: "This Bucks team doesn't have a killer."
I have been saying this for a couple years now.
Yup. When Giannis tries to be that, he puts his head down and tries to drive through guys. It’s what made the Toronto Wall Defense so effective.
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It's not just on Bud. The lack of consistency by Middleton and Holiday is frustrating as well. They are letting Jrue shoot and he just can't do it consistently.
Their offense is all iso. Not a lot of ball movement FBM.
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"Bucks fear Giannis suffered severe ACL injury"....FAKKKK
If thats the case, I honestly hope they lose this series. They aren't beating the Suns without Giannis and I dont need a few more years of Bud.
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"Bucks fear Giannis suffered severe ACL injury"....FAKKKK
If thats the case, I honestly hope they lose this series. They aren't beating the Suns without Giannis and I dont need a few more years of Bud.
To be fair, I think that is based off a Clippers Bleacher Report writer tweeting that last night. Now, it could be because he failed the manual test and are waiting in imaging.
My hope is that it goes without saying that people are scared it’s an ACL based on how he was injured, so there’s not really any information behind the tweet. I’m prepared for the worst though.
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It's not just on Bud. The lack of consistency by Middleton and Holiday is frustrating as well. They are letting Jrue shoot and he just can't do it consistently.
I disagree, FBM. Khris is more consistent than most. That's why his off shooting games are more obvious. You don't shoot with 50-40-90 unless you are a very steady player.
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First report I’ve seen says Giannis is out for the Playoffs but the MRI didn’t reveal any structural damage. They are going to do more tests though. Could it be too swollen at the moment to get a clear picture?
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First report I’ve seen says Giannis is out for the Playoffs but the MRI didn’t reveal any structural damage. They are going to do more tests though. Could it be too swollen at the moment to get a clear picture?
Is that guy legit? Reddit seemed to think he’s not someone who just throws stuff out there.
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Is that guy legit? Reddit seemed to think he’s not someone who just throws stuff out there.
Gotcha. I just had a coworker text that to me, so I really have no idea.
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Gotcha. I just had a coworker text that to me, so I really have no idea.
https://twitter.com/jajareetz/status/1410289378136674309?s=20
This is the tweet I’ve seen going around.
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Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
There is no structural damage to Giannis Antetokounmpo's left knee after his awkward landing last night in Atlanta; ligaments are sound, sources tell @ZachLowe_NBA and me. Timetable to return is unclear.
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STOP GIVING ME HOPE!!!
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https://twitter.com/jajareetz/status/1410289378136674309?s=20
This is the tweet I’ve seen going around.
dude with 2k followers and sources using *him* to leak Giannis' diagnosis... color me skeptical.
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Either they are pulling a Kawhi or there’s an outside chance he can play again this year. Surprised to leave the timetable open ended.
I still think Middleton and Holiday can get us past Atlanta.
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Hopefully Phoenix closes this out.
Jae with 19 and five triples so far.
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I like CP3 but did you see that flop?
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Beverley is the kind of guy that teammates love and opponents hate. I’d want him on my team.
But that was a real bad look.
He chirps all game every game … but as soon as someone says something to him, he pulls that chickenshyte move.
Anyway, congrats to Jae and the Suns.
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Beverley is the kind of guy that teammates love and opponents hate. I’d want him on my team.
But that was a real bad look.
He chirps all game every game … but as soon as someone says something to him, he pulls that chickenshyte move.
Anyway, congrats to Jae and the Suns.
They're going to be fairly big favorites in the Finals unless somehow Giannis comes back. Congrats to Jae and the Suns.
I just saw the Beverly play. That was beyond ridiculous and totally unacceptable.
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Beverley is the kind of guy that teammates love and opponents hate. I’d want him on my team.
But that was a real bad look.
He chirps all game every game … but as soon as someone says something to him, he pulls that chickenshyte move.
Well they did say he was from Tay Town in Chicago, so it could have been much worse.
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Anyone know what time they have to announce Giannis' status? Considering going to the game.
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Anyone know what time they have to announce Giannis' status? Considering going to the game.
He's out.
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He's out.
I think technically “doubtful” but I agree he’s likely out. I would think he’d have been upgraded to questionable by now if there was a chance. I thought Harden went from doubtful to questionable relatively early in the day.
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I think technically “doubtful” but I agree he’s likely out. I would think he’d have been upgraded to questionable by now if there was a chance. I thought Harden went from doubtful to questionable relatively early in the day.
Bucks announced him as out
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Bucks announced him as out
I should have checked the Bucks account. Thanks!
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I should have checked the Bucks account. Thanks!
Gonna be tough without him. Unless both of us coach the team Cheebs.. :)
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Gonna be tough without him. Unless both of us coach the team Cheebs.. :)
Bud frustrates me but I’ll defer to his coaching ability. Hoping this lights a fire under Middleton and Holiday can, but not so much they force things.
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Seems to me our only hope is that Kris has one of those crazy games like he did in game 3. Then hope Giannis can hobble around in game 7.
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Seems to me our only hope is that Kris has one of those crazy games like he did in game 3. Then hope Giannis can hobble around in game 7.
Will Budenholzer make adjustments? Obviously Middleton and Holiday will have to step it up.
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Tuesday night aside, I don’t know why it’s a foregone conclusion that no Giannis and no Trae Young means Atlanta is in the drivers seat. If Young was back, I get it. But I would hope Middleton and Holiday and the rest of the Bucks could beat Collins, Huerter, and co
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Will Budenholzer make adjustments? Obviously Middleton and Holiday will have to step it up.
Hawks announce Trae Young is out, too. I think the Hawks can overcome his loss easier than the Bucks with Giannis as evidenced the other night, I know, but in the long-term as well. Not sure where the Bucks offense comes from outside Khris
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Hawks announce Trae Young is out, too. I think the Hawks can overcome his loss easier than the Bucks with Giannis as evidenced the other night, I know, but in the long-term as well. Not sure where the Bucks offense comes from outside Khris
Maybe....but this is game the Bucks have to win on their home floor. Then you take your chances getting 1 of the next 2 and hope somehow Giannis can be back for the Finals. It's the lack of urgency that was beyond inexcusable in Game 4 and probably contributed to Giannis getting injured trying to come back from a big deficit imo.
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Maybe....but this is game the Bucks have to win on their home floor. Then you take your chances getting 1 of the next 2 and hope somehow Giannis can be back for the Finals. It's the lack of urgency that was beyond inexcusable in Game 4 and probably contributed to Giannis getting injured trying to come back from a big deficit imo.
I’m in agreement. I just like the Hawks roster as is better than the Bucks. It’s a possible legacy defining moment for Middleton. Hope he rises to the moment
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I’m in agreement. I just like the Hawks roster as is better than the Bucks. It’s a possible legacy defining moment for Middleton. Hope he rises to the moment
It's really hard to guess who will rise to the occasion. But the fact is Middleton and Holiday should be the two best players on the floor without Giannis and Trae Young. And Lopez has to score the ball as well.
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Tuesday night aside, I don’t know why it’s a foregone conclusion that no Giannis and no Trae Young means Atlanta is in the drivers seat. If Young was back, I get it. But I would hope Middleton and Holiday and the rest of the Bucks could beat Collins, Huerter, and co
You're right- I made my last post thinking Young was playing.
But query- I know this sounds stupid but haven't the Hawks performed better with Williams in there instead of Young?
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Hawks announce Trae Young is out, too. I think the Hawks can overcome his loss easier than the Bucks with Giannis as evidenced the other night, I know, but in the long-term as well. Not sure where the Bucks offense comes from outside Khris
It was one game, just as G1 was one game and didn't mean the Bucks were in serious trouble ... and G2 was one game and didn't mean the Hawks were done.
I expect the Bucks to win G5.
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Thanasis lol.
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Mini-meltdtdown to close the half for the Bucks. They should be up 18+ minimum.
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I think it would be prudent for TNT to put Marv AND Reggie to pasture immediately. They are honestly abysmal.
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Been very impressed with Portis so far. Lopez stepped up big, but needs to make that layup.
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Watching Gallinari and Collins easily going around Connaughton in a 1-minute span made me ask myself: And folks are saying bad defense will keep Sam Hauser out of the NBA?
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Lopez has been great tonight. It begs the question why he hasn't been used more in the paint offensively throughout the series.
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Hawks announce Trae Young is out, too. I think the Hawks can overcome his loss easier than the Bucks with Giannis as evidenced the other night, I know, but in the long-term as well. Not sure where the Bucks offense comes from outside Khris
What evidence?
The Bucks were already getting beat around and the injury happened in game. It wasnt something they game planned for beforehand.
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Watching Gallinari and Collins easily going around Connaughton in a 1-minute span made me ask myself: And folks are saying bad defense will keep Sam Hauser out of the NBA?
It's a fair question. Shooting is always going to be coveted. And Sam can absolutely drill the open J. At the same time he struggles to score or create off the dribble and has marginal speed and quickness. Perhaps you cannot relate to his molasses speed.
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Lopez has been great tonight. It begs the question why he hasn't been used more in the paint offensively throughout the series.
With Lopez and Giannis on the floor you use Lopez to spread the floor and give Giannis opportunities in the paint. Giannis on the perimeter leads to a defender packing the pain.
With Giannis out, Portis steps in. Portis is a threat on the perimeter. So you can interchange Portis and Lopez in the paint/perimeter. Allows you to exploit Lopez's size in the paint.
Portis spreads the floor more. The Hawks didn't have an answer tonight.
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Wow...Bogey would be an perfect fit on the Bucks. It's too bad that fell through. I still don't really get what happened.
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It's a fair question. Shooting is always going to be coveted. And Sam can absolutely drill the open J. At the same time he struggles to score or create off the dribble and has marginal speed and quickness. Perhaps you cannot relate to his molasses speed.
True, I was a regular Usain Bolt.
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With Lopez and Giannis on the floor you use Lopez to spread the floor and give Giannis opportunities in the paint. Giannis on the perimeter leads to a defender packing the pain.
With Giannis out, Portis steps in. Portis is a threat on the perimeter. So you can interchange Portis and Lopez in the paint/perimeter. Allows you to exploit Lopez's size in the paint.
Portis spreads the floor more. The Hawks didn't have an answer tonight.
When Holiday attacks the paint and is under control the Bucks are a much better team. What's amazing is the 3-Ball has been awful for the most part the entire playoffs.
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When Holiday attacks the paint and is under control the Bucks are a much better team. What's amazing is the 3-Ball has been awful for the most part the entire playoffs.
Holiday had a superb game, really a pleasure to watch tonight.
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Wow...Bogey would be an perfect fit on the Bucks. It's too bad that fell through. I still don't really get what happened.
I believe the thought was a Lasry leaked it and the NBA decided to enforce tampering rules on that one. Granted, the Bucks RealGM board are no fans of Alex Lasry for leaking stuff and posting the draft board.
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I fully expect Trae Young to be back for game 6.
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True, I was a regular Usain Bolt.
Occasionally I watch Usain Bolt vs a Cheetah superimposed in the 100m.
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Wow...Bogey would be an perfect fit on the Bucks. It's too bad that fell through. I still don't really get what happened.
I know he's been hurt but I'd rather have DiVincenzo honestly. Dante is a great defender and better fit for this team. I wouldn't habe wanted to lose him.
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Reminded once again of how back in 2008 Marquette got sent out west for the first game of the NCAA’s to play Stanford. Then I find out that Stanford has two seven footers (twins!). Then I find out that one of them is good and the other one is really good. Hate to remind everyone about that game.
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What if Milwaukee came out with this intensity every game?
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I believe the thought was a Lasry leaked it and the NBA decided to enforce tampering rules on that one. Granted, the Bucks RealGM board are no fans of Alex Lasry for leaking stuff and posting the draft board.
I don't remember the chronology but if the Bogdanovich deal had gone through would the Bucks had still made the deal for Jru?
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I don't remember the chronology but if the Bogdanovich deal had gone through would the Bucks had still made the deal for Jru?
I'm pretty sure they thought they had both guys.
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What if Milwaukee came out with this intensity every game?
Excellent point. Remember they had no business losing G1.
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I don't remember the chronology but if the Bogdanovich deal had gone through would the Bucks had still made the deal for Jru?
I’m pretty sure they were announced within hours of each other. The difference was Bogdanovich was a free agent, so the Bucks would have had to be tampering to agree to terms with him. Whereas the Holiday trade was just a normal trade with the Pelicans.
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I’m pretty sure they were announced within hours of each other. The difference was Bogdanovich was a free agent, so the Bucks would have had to be tampering to agree to terms with him. Whereas the Holiday trade was just a normal trade with the Pelicans.
Woj reported the Bogdan S&T which set the alarm bells off around the league.
He certainly would have helped, but it would have made the roster construction incredibly challenging with the hard cap.
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Woj reported the Bogdan S&T which set the alarm bells off around the league.
If I recall , Woj "leaked" the upcoming trade early , which with the Bogdonovich part of it being he wasn't available for sign and trade before a certain date ( I think it was like 2 days later) .. Meaning the Bucks were "tampering" so the league stepped in and said they couldn't do the transaction and I think they got fined too... The other teams were worried about the Bucks having their own "Super Team", so they pressured the league not to look the other way... 8-)
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Woj reported the Bogdan S&T which set the alarm bells off around the league.
If I recall , Woj "leaked" the upcoming trade early , which with the Bogdonovich part of it being he wasn't available for sign and trade before a certain date ( I think it was like 2 days later) .. Meaning the Bucks were "tampering" so the league stepped in and said they couldn't do the transaction and I think they got fined too... The other teams were worried about the Bucks having their own "Super Team", so they pressured the league not to look the other way... 8-)
Yup. I believe the Hawks were a team rumored to have raise a fuss. My Lasry comments were more that they were the ones to leak to Woj. There was a report Marc was talking up some big moves at the Governor’s meeting. That seems to be overblown though.
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Is tonight the night the Bucks finally fulfill the Brandon Jennings prophecy of Bucks in 6?
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Is tonight the night the Bucks finally fulfill the Brandon Jennings prophecy of Bucks in 6?
Bucks have more talent so , with a good effort ,they should win at home.
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Marv Albert doesn't even know the players on the floor. This is totally inexcusable regardless of his age. The Bucks should be up big but have been crazy sloppy.
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Last game was fun and wide open. Of course we were due for a grinder where nobody can make a damn shot
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Last game was fun and wide open. Of course we were due for a grinder where nobody can make a damn shot
Middleton and Holiday have 11 turns. If they play close to their abilities in the 2nd half Milwaukee should take this game.
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Welcome to game 6, Khris
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Marv Albert doesn't even know the players on the floor. This is totally inexcusable regardless of his age.
If the Bucks win, it’s the last game of his career; if they lose, it’s his next-to-last game. He’s been bad the last couple of years after 5 decades as the best announcer in basketball history. The rest of us should have that kind of run at anything.
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Connaughton just fouled Bogdonovich’s knee with his onions.
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If the Bucks win, it’s the last game of his career; if they lose, it’s his next-to-last game. He’s been bad the last couple of years after 5 decades as the best announcer in basketball history. The rest of us should have that kind of run at anything.
He's been bad the last decade. There's a reason Jabbar, Magic, Jordan, and Shaq are no longer on the floor.
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Welcome to game 6, Khris
My halftime though was that Middleton needed to show up. He must have wanted to show me up for thinking it.
My new thought, is Tucker needs to do better than 0-6 on wide open corner 3's.
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The Bucks have gotten one freaking stop the entire 4th Q. They better focus and drop the hammer.
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Bucks need to get their head out of their ass. Back to sloppy plays, bad shots, and forcing 1 on 1's.
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This is going to be a fist fight down the stretch, and the refs are not going to give the Bucks calls. If the Bucks don't get their act together they are going to lose this one.
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Bucks need to get their head out of their ass. Back to sloppy plays, bad shots, and forcing 1 on 1's.
Exactly right. I couldn't have said it better.
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WTF are the Bucks doing with their help D? Guys are literally standing and watching. I'm dumbfounded.
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My new thought, is Tucker needs to do better than 0-6 on wide open corner 3's.
I really like his defense and toughness and rebounding, but part of his game was always that corner 3 and I feel like his shooting has been beyond rough since coming to MKE
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I really like his defense and toughness and rebounding, but part of his game was always that corner 3 and I feel like his shooting has been beyond rough since coming to MKE
Agreed. I'm ok with 1-7 though. That last 3 was important.
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YES!!
Congrats to the Milwaukee Bucks. It's been 47 yrs. Hopefully Giannis is back for G1 of the Finals.
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I’ve been tough on Bud, but these last 2 games were on him. He made all the right moves. I give him full credit.
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I’ve been tough on Bud, but these last 2 games were on him. He made all the right moves. I give him full credit.
Teague was big tonight. I was wondering why he didn't play at all.
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This is going to be a fist fight down the stretch, and the refs are not going to give the Bucks calls. If the Bucks don't get their act together they are going to lose this one.
The Bucks got plenty of calls, including a couple of phantom ones for Middleton.
Nicely done by the Bucks. If Middleton and Holiday are hitting their shots, they’ll be tough even without Giannis. I obviously hope the Freak can return, though.
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My halftime though was that Middleton needed to show up. He must have wanted to show me up for thinking it.
My new thought, is Tucker needs to do better than 0-6 on wide open corner 3's.
I was screaming “Noooooo” right up until it went through the twines.
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Achieved one milestone
Now on to the finals.
Looking forward to Jae guarding Giannis again
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It should be a very good series. If Giannis is back Milwaukee is the clear favorite imo. These last two wins should give the Bucks tremendous confidence.
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The Bucks got plenty of calls, including a couple of phantom ones for Middleton.
Nicely done by the Bucks. If Middleton and Holiday are hitting their shots, they’ll be tough even without Giannis. I obviously hope the Freak can return, though.
Wasn't complaining about officiating, rather the nature of the game. In an elimination game the officials are going to give the benefit of the doubt to the team that is done and fighting to get back in, that means a tighter whistle when the bucks have the ball.
Being in the Bonus at the end really calmed my nerves.
Agree on the Bucks chances even without Giannis, Middleton and Holiday need to be aggressive and on their game.
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Holiday/Middleton vs Paul/Booker
I don't see any reason why the Bucks can't win these match-ups.
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He's been bad the last decade. There's a reason Jabbar, Magic, Jordan, and Shaq are no longer on the floor.
Your first sentence is not true.
Your second sentence is silly. Announcers, engineers, doctors, teachers, nurses, economists, chefs, writers, and hundreds of other professions aren't finished at 40 like almost all athletes are. Which you know.
I didn't see the first half of tonight's game, so if you say his announcing was "inexcusable," I believe you.
But I did watch the entire second half, doing so with the knowledge that this probably would be Albert's last game ever. So I was listening closely to him. One time, he said it was Milwaukee's ball when it actually was Atlanta's. Maybe a couple other minor, meaningless slips like that -- the kind any announcer makes over the course of a game. Otherwise, his call was spot-on. He emphasized all the big moments, shots and plays, and it was like listening to him 10 or 20 or 40 years ago.
I am a huge Marv Albert fan, having listened to him call Knicks and Rangers games on my little transistor radio when I was a kid. So I admit that I'm probably more willing to overlook his struggles the last couple of years. Still, I also have said many times that he clearly has "lost his fastball." And I did listen to the second half of tonight's game very closely.
Five decades as the best. I doubt there will ever be another announcer who is as great as Marv Albert was for as many years as he was great. As basketball fans, we've been very fortunate to get to listen to his calls all these years.
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Your first sentence is not true.
Your second sentence is silly. Announcers, engineers, doctors, teachers, nurses, economists, chefs, writers, and hundreds of other professions aren't finished at 40 like almost all athletes are. Which you know.
I didn't see the first half of tonight's game, so if you say his announcing was "inexcusable," I believe you.
But I did watch the entire second half, doing so with the knowledge that this probably would be Albert's last game ever. So I was listening closely to him. One time, he said it was Milwaukee's ball when it actually was Atlanta's. Maybe a couple other minor, meaningless slips like that -- the kind any announcer makes over the course of a game. Otherwise, his call was spot-on. He emphasized all the big moments, shots and plays, and it was like listening to him 10 or 20 or 40 years ago.
I am a huge Marv Albert fan, having listened to him call Knicks and Rangers games on my little transistor radio when I was a kid. So I admit that I'm probably more willing to overlook his struggles the last couple of years. Still, I also have said many times that he clearly has "lost his fastball." And I did listen to the second half of tonight's game very closely.
Five decades as the best. I doubt there will ever be another announcer who is as great as Marv Albert was for as many years as he was great. As basketball fans, we've been very fortunate to get to listen to his calls all these years.
Okay.. ...I'll say 5 yrs in lieu of 10 then.
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They should trade Giannis 😂😂😂😂
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They should trade Giannis 😂😂😂😂
Yes ... that was fun talk while it lasted!
Also fun: All the talk about how big a stiff Middleton was, and that the Bucks were just Giannis and a bunch of "smoes" (which isn't a word).
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Yes ... that was fun talk while it lasted!
Also fun: All the talk about how big a stiff Middleton was, and that the Bucks were just Giannis and a bunch of "smoes" (which isn't a word).
Th Middleton haters can go pound sand
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The NBA Radio guys just said Phoenix in 5 even with Giannis They were very critical of the Bucks' turns and shot selection. "Phoenix is a well-oiled machine". Perhaps these people didn't watch their last series? The Bucks have periodic meltdowns but have a great chance to get the chip if Giannis is 80% or better.
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All this whining about injuries and no one has mentioned that the Bucks would have won in 74 if Lucius Allen hadn't gotten hurt.
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It's interesting.....these guys rip Middleton for being inconsistent after he drops 23 in the 3rd Q in a clinching game? His stats have been solid and he's a 2-Way player. Is Booker mister consistent? Who are these people on NBA radio? They did the same thing to Giannis after the Nets series.
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The Bucks have had some really good teams over the years. When I was at Marquette, they had the Lanier-Moncrief-Bridgeman-Buckner group. The core of that team won 7 straight division titles but couldn't get past the Bird/McHale Celtics or the Erving/Malone Sixers.
They had teams with Ray Allen and Michael Redd, and then eventually the current era with Giannis and Middleton.
It's hard to believe that not a single one of those teams -- especially the ones from the '80s -- could somehow find a way to the NBA Finals. It's hard to believe they haven't made it since 1974, Kareem's next-to-last season on the team.
Just goes to show how difficult it is, so this has been a fine accomplishment already this season.
I got a lot of enjoyment out of watching the Lanier-Moncrief Bucks during my time at MU, and I'll be rooting for the current edition in the Finals.
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I didn't see the first half of tonight's game, so if you say his announcing was "inexcusable," I believe you.
But I did watch the entire second half, doing so with the knowledge that this probably would be Albert's last game ever. So I was listening closely to him. One time, he said it was Milwaukee's ball when it actually was Atlanta's. Maybe a couple other minor, meaningless slips like that -- the kind any announcer makes over the course of a game. Otherwise, his call was spot-on. He emphasized all the big moments, shots and plays, and it was like listening to him 10 or 20 or 40 years ago.
I am a huge Marv Albert fan, having listened to him call Knicks and Rangers games on my little transistor radio when I was a kid. So I admit that I'm probably more willing to overlook his struggles the last couple of years. Still, I also have said many times that he clearly has "lost his fastball." And I did listen to the second half of tonight's game very closely.
Five decades as the best. I doubt there will ever be another announcer who is as great as Marv Albert was for as many years as he was great. As basketball fans, we've been very fortunate to get to listen to his calls all these years.
I watched the entire game. Didn't find any fault with the announcing. But I'm also pretty forgiving on a random slip up on a player name, or team, or whose ball it was. It happens. I enjoyed the game, which means the announcing was fine.
There are a lot of college games where I want to mute the damn thing because the announcers are so bad and annoying.
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The Bucks have had some really good teams over the years. When I was at Marquette, they had the Lanier-Moncrief-Bridgeman-Buckner group. The core of that team won 7 straight division titles but couldn't get past the Bird/McHale Celtics or the Erving/Malone Sixers.
They had teams with Ray Allen and Michael Redd, and then eventually the current era with Giannis and Middleton.
It's hard to believe that not a single one of those teams -- especially the ones from the '80s -- could somehow find a way to the NBA Finals. It's hard to believe they haven't made it since 1974, Kareem's next-to-last season on the team.
Just goes to show how difficult it is, so this has been a fine accomplishment already this season.
I got a lot of enjoyment out of watching the Lanier-Moncrief Bucks during my time at MU, and I'll be rooting for the current edition in the Finals.
So many times I thought the bucks finally were ready to break through...and then they didn't.
So happy they pulled through this year and got to the finals. When Giannis went down, I really thought that might be another moment of bad luck ending a good run. Seems some WI teams are plagued with bad luck.
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The best thing about Marv is he never got in the way and you never felt like he favored one team over the other. This was true even when he was the Knick's home guy.
That being said I've heard from a few people that he is a bit of a jerk off the court.
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Over the years there were a group of announcers who i liked listening to no matter what teams were playing: Jack Brickhouse, Bob Prince, Ray Scott, Harry. I'd put Marv in that group.
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The best thing about Marv is he never got in the way and you never felt like he favored one team over the other. This was true even when he was the Knick's home guy.
That being said I've heard from a few people that he is a bit of a jerk off the court.
I’ve heard he can be a bit bitey.
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They should trade Giannis 😂😂😂😂
And fire the coach.
Whoever said those two things is a basketball savant.
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And fire the coach.
Whoever said those two things is a basketball savant.
To be fair Tower there has been a lot of national media critical of Budenholzer. At times you watch the Bucks and it can be very frustrating watching some of their bad shots and poor decisions on the floor. He does deserve credit for these last two wins but most understand the criticism of Budenholzer. Middleton on the other hand I really don't get the hate.
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To be fair Tower there has been a lot of national media critical of Budenholzer. At times you watch the Bucks and it can be very frustrating watching some of their bad shots and poor decisions on the floor. He does deserve credit for these last two wins but most understand the criticism of Budenholzer. Middleton on the other hand I really don't get the hate.
Indeed, even last night, as the Hawks were cutting into that lead late, the Bucks had a 5-6 possession stretch where either Middleton or Holiday dribbled for 20 seconds before hoisting less-than-optimal shots. A couple went in, a couple of times the Bucks got the rebounds, but it's bad offense and it doesn't speak well of the coaching.
That being said, I'm always a big-picture, body-of-work guy. And Budenholzer had a 60-win season in Atlanta, where such heights are rare; a 189-139 record his first 4 seasons in Atlanta before the wheels fell off in his last year there; a 162-65 (.714 win pct) record in his 3 Milwaukee seasons; and 2 trips to the conference finals. He and his assistants have had a role in developing a 2-time NBA MVP and plenty of other quality NBA players.
There are a lot of franchises that would love success like that.
It certainly is possible that he's one of those coaches who is just good enough to get a team so far -- the old Doug Collins effect. But if he wins a championship, it's pretty hard to say he's anything but a very good NBA coach; it might already be hard to say that.
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To be fair Tower there has been a lot of national media critical of Budenholzer. At times you watch the Bucks and it can be very frustrating watching some of their bad shots and poor decisions on the floor. He does deserve credit for these last two wins but most understand the criticism of Budenholzer. Middleton on the other hand I really don't get the hate.
There are so few elite coaches. It isn't like you can drive down to the CVS, careful not to park in a handicap spot, and find one better. Budenholzer has a pedigree and a record that indicated he was one of the coaches with the potential to accomplish what he has. It amuses and amazes me to no end thinking that, God forbid, the Bucks don't finish, there are those who will be calling for the coach to be fired.
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Great players make great coaches (sorry, 82).
They don’t win these 2 games with Bledsoe at PG instead of Holiday. That was a great trade.
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They should trade Giannis 😂😂😂😂
There is something the team should take away from its games without Giannis. Obviously, there were moments where the ball movement still stagnated, but on the whole, the absence of Giannis' gravity in the paint allowed Jrue and Brook to play their game a bit more naturally.
Jrue is so deadly at getting into the paint, and Brook is allowed to play like an outside-in big. Lethal combo in the PnR in game 5 - would love to see more of that whoever is manning the 4 and 5
To be clear, they are not better offensively or defensively without Giannis, but they need go find a way to marry their play styles where Brook and Jrue aren't relegated to jump shots that they CAN make at efficient clips, but are not their bag
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Great players make great coaches (sorry, 82).
They don’t win these 2 games with Bledsoe at PG instead of Holiday. That was a great trade.
Why are you sorry? I never once said anything different.
It is a balance. Have "bad" coaches won championships? I'm sure, but probably not many. Do you think Belichick, Popovich and Knight had anything to do with their teams winning aside from player procurement? Do you think it's just a coincidence that Jordan never even sniffed a Finals without Jackson as his coach but went to the Finals 6 times (winning all 6) in the 7 full seasons Jackson was his coach? Maybe it was. We'll never know.
And yes, getting Holiday was huge. An excellent player. Name the best coach/manager in the history of sports; he didn't win without good players.
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I watched the entire game. Didn't find any fault with the announcing. But I'm also pretty forgiving on a random slip up on a player name, or team, or whose ball it was. It happens. I enjoyed the game, which means the announcing was fine.
There are a lot of college games where I want to mute the damn thing because the announcers are so bad and annoying.
Totally agree.
So many times I thought the bucks finally were ready to break through...and then they didn't.
So happy they pulled through this year and got to the finals. When Giannis went down, I really thought that might be another moment of bad luck ending a good run. Seems some WI teams are plagued with bad luck.
Despite having a lot of very good players over the years (and even some great ones, such as Moncrief and Giannis), the Bucks went nearly a half-century between Finals appearances. Shows you what an incredible accomplishment it was for LeBron to be the leader of teams that made 10 Finals appearances, including 8 straight, with 4 titles, right?
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The best thing about Marv is he never got in the way and you never felt like he favored one team over the other. This was true even when he was the Knick's home guy.
Here is an answer about objectivity that Albert just gave in an interview with the NY Post:
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When I was a kid, I used to keep score of Knicks games as I listened to Marv's radio calls. (OK, I was a nerd; whatever!) I'd check the box score in the paper the next day and it was amazing how accurate not only the point totals were but also the rebounds and assists. Because Marv made it possible for me to "see" the game while listening to his radio call.
And even as he was accurate, he did add little flourishes that made games more enjoyable. Frazier wasn't just fouled, he was "run into." Monroe didn't just make a layup, "He drives and hits." Jackson didn't just defend an inbounds pass, he used his long arms for "the windmill effect."
And when opposing players made great plays, he said so. And when the Knicks sucked, he'd say so. He was the best chronicler of a live basketball game I've ever heard, and it's really not close.
He was a gifted hockey announcer, too.
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There are so few elite coaches. It isn't like you can drive down to the CVS, careful not to park in a handicap spot, and find one better. Budenholzer has a pedigree and a record that indicated he was one of the coaches with the potential to accomplish what he has. It amuses and amazes me to no end thinking that, God forbid, the Bucks don't finish, there are those who will be calling for the coach to be fired.
No doubt Tower, but after watching the last few games I'm trying to figure out why Portis and Teague literally didn't play vs Brooklyn? I like what Forbes can do with the 3-Ball but he's been erratic during the playoffs.
Teague can play the Point and has been around for a long time. He can move Holiday off the ball when he's in the game and still sort of defend the dribble drive with his quickness.
As far as Portis not playing before? I have no idea. This guy was a key contributor all year. I don't buy the match-ups argument when I look at the players Brooklyn had on the floor.
The fact is Milwaukee could be significantly better if they weren't so 3-Ball reliant. They are capable of dominating the paint against anyone. I look at Phoenix and outside of Ayton they have no size. Attack Tower, attack. Get Ayton in foul trouble and pummel the paint. Assuming Giannis is alright why would you not downhill attack with venom and ferocity? And Brook Lopez can score as well. What ever happened to the merciless power game? I think the Bucks absolutely have a great chance (assuming Giannis is okay) if they heed my advice. :)
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One thing that is kind of nice is that the Suns aren’t filled with a ton of Finals experience. It’s not like they are playing the Warriors or a LeBron team. Crowder was there last year, but this is a pretty new experience for both.
It’s going to be tough cheering against Crowder again. He plays the Bucks well.
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Indeed, even last night, as the Hawks were cutting into that lead late, the Bucks had a 5-6 possession stretch where either Middleton or Holiday dribbled for 20 seconds before hoisting less-than-optimal shots. A couple went in, a couple of times the Bucks got the rebounds, but it's bad offense and it doesn't speak well of the coaching.
I know people hate prevent style play, and it can bite you, but it wasn't really the problem last night. I mentioned that it was funny seeing them advertise Game 7 when the Bucks were up 22. They cut the lead down, but even then it never felt in doubt.
When you're up that much and taking 20 seconds off the clock, then your opponent takes 20 seconds to get 2 points, it's really hard to come back. Then add in a few stops and productive possessions and it becomes impossible. What the Bucks did was essentially kneel on it and there just wasn't enough time for Atlanta to turn it back.
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I know people hate prevent style play, and it can bite you, but it wasn't really the problem last night. I mentioned that it was funny seeing them advertise Game 7 when the Bucks were up 22. They cut the lead down, but even then it never felt in doubt.
When you're up that much and taking 20 seconds off the clock, then your opponent takes 20 seconds to get 2 points, it's really hard to come back. Then add in a few stops and productive possessions and it becomes impossible. What the Bucks did was essentially kneel on it and there just wasn't enough time for Atlanta to turn it back.
Generally agree, but I thought the Bucks started it too soon. I mean, they were only up 10 with 4:45 to go when Middleton hoisted a contested 3 at the shot clock. The lead got down to 6 with 3:41 to go. 6 points with almost 4 minutes left? That's nothing. Holiday made a difficult layup to put it back to 8 and then the Hawks took a couple of stupid shots, but again the Bucks led by only 8 with more than 2 minutes to go when Middleton hoisted another very-low-percentage shot. Luckily for the Bucks, they got the long rebound and then, yes, the strategy became more impossible for Atlanta to overcome.
Minor nit really, though. I'm not a Bucks fan, so I don't get upset on every perceived coaching fault of Budenholzer. As I said, looking at his body of work, it seems he's been a pretty darn good NBA coach.
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Rough day for Rachel Nichols
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Rough day for Rachel Nichols
https://nypost.com/2021/07/04/rachel-nichols-maria-taylor-diversity-dig-in-secret-espn-video/
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As I've stated before with the exception of Tim Legler and Breen, and Van Gundy as well on occasion, the hosts and commentators covering the NBA on ESPN suck for lack of a better word. No one is tuning in to watch their analysis other than actual live games. It doesn't matter if it's Maria Taylor, Nichols, SAS, Rose, Woj, Wilbon, or whoever. These people are pretty much awful and add nothing remotely entertaining to the broadcasts unlike TNT's quartet. And this has nothing to do with their political drivel, race, or gender. The question is are they entertaining and fun to watch? The resounding answer is an emphatic No.
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I know people hate prevent style play, and it can bite you, but it wasn't really the problem last night. I mentioned that it was funny seeing them advertise Game 7 when the Bucks were up 22. They cut the lead down, but even then it never felt in doubt.
When you're up that much and taking 20 seconds off the clock, then your opponent takes 20 seconds to get 2 points, it's really hard to come back. Then add in a few stops and productive possessions and it becomes impossible. What the Bucks did was essentially kneel on it and there just wasn't enough time for Atlanta to turn it back.
My thoughts exactly. Down the stretch I wanted them to use time and get decent shots. Just don’t turn it over. They would make enough of them to stay ahead.
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As I've stated before with the exception of Tim Legler and Breen, and Van Gundy as well on occasion, the hosts and commentators covering the NBA on ESPN suck for lack of a better word. No one is tuning in to watch their analysis other than actual live games. It doesn't matter if it's Maria Taylor, Nichols, SAS, Rose, Woj, Wilbon, or whoever. These people are pretty much awful and add nothing remotely entertaining to the broadcasts unlike TNT's quartet. And this has nothing to do with their political drivel, race, or gender. The question is are they entertaining and fun to watch? The resounding answer is an emphatic No.
Adrian Wojnarowski is one of the best reporters on any beat in the entire country. He often is the first to break NBA news, and that makes him very valuable to ESPN, who paid big bucks to steal him from Yahoo Sports. He doesn't try to "entertain." He is a just-the-facts reporter, and does a great job. Lumping him in with Stephen A. Smith and sideline reporters would be like lumping Springsteen in with Hilary Duff and Lil Wayne because they're all singers.
Rachel used to be a newspaper reporter, did a good job covering hockey and other stuff for the Washington Post about 20 years ago. She has been one of ESPN's better interviewers. But this is a horrific situation for her and she might have trouble surviving it at the network.
Wilbon's a good guy and used to be a good columnist for the Washington Post, but he's now a TV personality. I normally don't like TV shows where people scream at each other -- never liked Springer, or Maury, can't stand Around the Horn, etc -- but I admit that PTI is a guilty pleasure that I watch a couple times a week.
Sideline reporters in general have a bad job. They are paid well, so it's not bad in that respect. But they are expected to interview coaches who don't want to be interviewed in the middle of games, and they rarely are able to get anything insightful. It's not necessarily their fault. I mean, Pedro Gomez was a very good reporter, he just wasn't a good sideline reporter because there is no such thing really.
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You're right that Woj is the first to break stories, good for him. He's not a TV NBA analyst. As for the rest of them? They generally fall under the same category. No one is watching ESPN to hear their opinions and beyond that they aren't remotely entertaining. On the flipside people care about EJ and the TNT crew because they have great chemistry and are hilarious. They get the entertainment component of their job. It's actually embarrassing to watch ESPN with their wooden and laconic personalities try to emulate them. They can't and it's as clear as crystal.
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Rough day for Rachel Nichols
I’m not her biggest fan, but after reading the quotes…yikes there’s not much to this story that warrants grabbing the pitchforks. Really grabbing at straws with this one, but I guess that’s what you get when the demand for this type of story is so incredibly high. If anything, ESPN should be the ones answering for their lack of diversity in hiring or career opportunities as she alleges.
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I’m not her biggest fan, but after reading the quotes…yikes there’s not much to this story that warrants grabbing the pitchforks. Really grabbing at straws with this one, but I guess that’s what you get when the demand for this type of story is so incredibly high. If anything, ESPN should be the ones answering for their lack of diversity in hiring or career opportunities as she alleges.
Fully agree. It’s a bad look, but I was expecting MUCH worse when I saw the reactions this morning. She’s an “alpha” female who has climbed to a high rank in a very competitive cutthroat industry at a company who has a pretty terrible track record for women and minorities. My read was her frustration was more with ESPN and them having no clue what they are doing than some racially fueled anger at Maria Taylor. She frankly was fairly complementary to Taylor unprompted.
I asked the opinion on it if one of my good friends, who is black and actually a member of a diversity council at his large publicly traded company, and he said he thought it registered as a non issue of sorts for him, at least racially, and much of what I mentioned above is echoing his take
People comparing it to Jackie McMullen’s brutal quotes about Kyrie a few years ago are missing the mark IMO
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https://nypost.com/2021/07/04/rachel-nichols-maria-taylor-diversity-dig-in-secret-espn-video/
someone was keeping some powder dry. according to the article, this conversation was recorded last july...
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Fully agree. It’s a bad look, but I was expecting MUCH worse when I saw the reactions this morning. She’s an “alpha” female who has climbed to a high rank in a very competitive cutthroat industry at a company who has a pretty terrible track record for women and minorities. My read was her frustration was more with ESPN and them having no clue what they are doing than some racially fueled anger at Maria Taylor. She frankly was fairly complementary to Taylor unprompted.
I asked the opinion on it if one of my good friends, who is black and actually a member of a diversity council at his large publicly traded company, and he said he thought it registered as a non issue of sorts for him, at least racially, and much of what I mentioned above is echoing his take
People comparing it to Jackie McMullen’s brutal quotes about Kyrie a few years ago are missing the mark IMO
I hope you're right.
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Rachel Nichols apologized on air today at the start of The Jump. Sitting beside her, Kendrick Perkins and Richard Jefferson voiced their support for both her and Maria Taylor.
So Wags, you were right.
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Fully agree. It’s a bad look, but I was expecting MUCH worse when I saw the reactions this morning. She’s an “alpha” female who has climbed to a high rank in a very competitive cutthroat industry at a company who has a pretty terrible track record for women and minorities. My read was her frustration was more with ESPN and them having no clue what they are doing than some racially fueled anger at Maria Taylor. She frankly was fairly complementary to Taylor unprompted.
I asked the opinion on it if one of my good friends, who is black and actually a member of a diversity council at his large publicly traded company, and he said he thought it registered as a non issue of sorts for him, at least racially, and much of what I mentioned above is echoing his take
People comparing it to Jackie McMullen’s brutal quotes about Kyrie a few years ago are missing the mark IMO
I think ESPN is quickly fixing this before the Finals starts. And Nichols likely has some good points about ESPN and her frustrations. But saying or implying that any under-represented population got a job because of "diversity" is a horribly insulting thing to do.
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I think ESPN is quickly fixing this before the Finals starts. And Nichols likely has some good points about ESPN and her frustrations. But saying or implying that any under-represented population got a job because of "diversity" is a horribly insulting thing to do.
I don't disagree and I think its a terrible look for Nichols regardless. As I mentioned, I just don't think it was a racist/dislike of Taylor or other minorities as much as a tantrum against ESPN.
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Giannis upgraded to questionable. Do you do that if he’s not playing?
Either way, I’m going with the Suns in the series. They’re better and healthier.
Would be happy to be wrong, though, because I’ve come to really like the Bucks. (Not that I dislike the Suns, especially Jae.)
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Between Jae and Monty Williams, if there was anyone else I'd want to win it, it would be the Suns.
That said, I hope I don't have to see that happen.
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I don't disagree and I think its a terrible look for Nichols regardless. As I mentioned, I just don't think it was a racist/dislike of Taylor or other minorities as much as a tantrum against ESPN.
it was someone upset that something she worked for and was contracted to do was being taken away from her. Now Taylor is in her chair, and one of Taylor's hack proteges is on the sidelines, and Nichols is completely pushed out. So basically ESPN is validating what Nichols said and they're going to be forced to give Taylor the $8 million a year she's now publically demanding.
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Woj reports Giannis is a go for game 1. Giddy up!
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it was someone upset that something she worked for and was contracted to do was being taken away from her. Now Taylor is in her chair, and one of Taylor's hack proteges is on the sidelines, and Nichols is completely pushed out. So basically ESPN is validating what Nichols said and they're going to be forced to give Taylor the $8 million a year she's now publically demanding.
How is ESPN validating what Nichols said? Maybe they just think she’s better.
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Woj reports Giannis is a go for game 1. Giddy up!
I hope he is as close to 100% as possible, otherwise I think I'd rather him get there and then return in game 2.
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Interesting, given our discussions of guys leaving school early to get to the NBA by any number of routes, the Suns have 2 key rotation guys, Crowder and Cam Johnson, who both transferred and used up their eligibility in college before being drafted and turning 23 before they ever played a game.
Jevon Carter and that bum Kaminsky fit the bill as well, but they don’t play.
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I don’t know what this defensive scheme is. There are times that Suns players aren’t even setting a screen, just crossing paths with one another and the Bucks are switching it. You might as well let the Suns tell the Bucks who their defensive matchups are. At least that way the defender isn’t standing flat footed trying to pick up a moving ball handler.
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I don’t know what this defensive scheme is. There are times that Suns players aren’t even setting a screen, just crossing paths with one another and the Bucks are switching it. You might as well let the Suns tell the Bucks who their defensive matchups are. At least that way the defender isn’t standing flat footed trying to pick up a moving ball handler.
I think its called let Paul, arguable the best midrange shooter ever get any mid-range shot he wants.
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This court has very forgiving rims. At least 7-8 shots already have hit iron but still crept into the hoop.
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Bucks will get swept with this whistle.
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I’ve counted 8 misses inside of 3 feet by the Bucks.
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Jrue picked a bad time for his Bledsoe tribute
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Bucks will get swept with this whistle.
I'm confused as to what is a shooting foul. There were two Suns possessions where I positive the foul was on the ground, and both were allowed to be shooting fouls. One by Paul wasn't even close.
Then one at the end of the half, Lopez went up to tip the ball in was shoved in the back and still just missed the tip-in. Non-shooting foul. Holiday went on to turn it over.
Its probably the most bizarre aspect of NBA officiating. It sometimes appears random if fouls are considered shooting or non-shooting.
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I’ve counted 8 misses inside of 3 feet by the Bucks.
That, and lazy passes/dumb shots that are killing them right now.
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I'm confused as to what is a shooting foul. There were two Suns possessions where I positive the foul was on the ground, and both were allowed to be shooting fouls. One by Paul wasn't even close.
Then one at the end of the half, Lopez went up to tip the ball in was shoved in the back and still just missed the tip-in. Non-shooting foul. Holiday went on to turn it over.
Its probably the most bizarre aspect of NBA officiating. It sometimes appears random if fouls are considered shooting or non-shooting.
They said he was pushed before he touched the ball.
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I’ve counted 8 misses inside of 3 feet by the Bucks.
Bucks score 2 points in the final 4 minutes. Awesome.
I counted at least 3 offensive rebounds that could have been brought down but were instead converted to awkward tip attempts that missed
I'm confused as to what is a shooting foul. There were two Suns possessions where I positive the foul was on the ground, and both were allowed to be shooting fouls. One by Paul wasn't even close.
Then one at the end of the half, Lopez went up to tip the ball in was shoved in the back and still just missed the tip-in. Non-shooting foul. Holiday went on to turn it over.
Its probably the most bizarre aspect of NBA officiating. It sometimes appears random if fouls are considered shooting or non-shooting.
Yea it’s so ref dependents. The worst are the ones that ignore shooting fouls on rebounds cause there is no solid possession but have no issue calling the shooting foul on continuation when the shooter was flat footed at the time of contact
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Biggest problem is they can’t dominate the paint in this series. Ayton is the best big they’ve played against, and Jae does Jae things playing bigger than he is.
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The Bucks are having a brutal game. Holiday? WTF? You can't turn the ball over against Phoenix. The good news is Giannis looks okay.
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My favorite is when the broadcasters are praising a defensive play as they show the replay of the defender ripping straight across the offensive player’s arm.
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Breen is just too enthusiastic for my tastes. Calm down!
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Now they're just being outhustled.
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Breen is just too enthusiastic for my tastes. Calm down!
Sacrilege. He and Harlan are the best in the business. He’s incredible to listen to when your team is playing well
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Great call on Booker kick while shooting. Too often missed.
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Middleton on Holiday are 8-26. On a lot of clean looks. Phoenix looks better defensively to me but the Bucks are having a piss poor game.
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I expected Suns win tonite and Bucks win in Game 2..
Then it’s starts to get serious.
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Sacrilege. He and Harlan are the best in the business. He’s incredible to listen to when your team is playing well
But the key is having an announcer you can tolerate when your team is not playing well.
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What’d be more worrisome? Bud has never seen the Phoenix Suns play (in person or on film), or Bud has seen Phoenix plenty and this is the defensive scheme he came up with?
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Bucks have missed a bunch of close up shots that would have this game closer if they fall but...
This could possibly be the worst defensive game plan I have ever seen.
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I expected Suns win tonite and Bucks win in Game 2..
Then it’s starts to get serious.
If the Bucks are being outshot in attempts at the FT 6 to 19 like tonight, it won’t matter
Bud also looks completely bewildered again
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What’d be more worrisome? Bud has never seen the Phoenix Suns play (in person or on film), or Bud has seen Phoenix plenty and this is the defensive scheme he came up with?
What defensive scheme?
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Jae is 0 for everything tonight....but is tied with Chris Paul in +/- at +19. Dude just makes teams better
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Jae is 0 for everything tonight....but is tied with Chris Paul in +/- at +19. Dude just makes teams better
Just about every shot has been a total brick
But hes had some crazy good defensive plays and gotten a lot of tough boards. So fun to watch.
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They've tried different things, but personnel wise this is a terrible matchup.
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They've tried different things, but personnel wise this is a terrible matchup.
I agree with this. Thought they matched up better with the Clippers. This stretch with Giannis at the 5 is working well.
It’s a seven game series. Losing game one on the road is obviously not a disaster.
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I really don’t think the matchup is that bad for the Bucks. If Bud would let them play to a scouting report that makes any sense at all. Let Giannis roam on Crowder. Have Middleton chase Bridges/Johnson like he did Harris and Robinson. Keep Brook on Ayton and keep him off the boards. Let Jrue be a hound on the ball and fight through screens and don’t let CP3 totally control the game. Not having DiVencenzo hurts in chasing Booker around, but let PJ beat him up.
Now if you’re going to just switch when players aren’t even screening? Then yes. Terrible matchup. But that’s not how the defense should be played.
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This Suns team was a tailor made for Chris Paul.
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This Suns team was a tailor made for Chris Paul.
Paul is an all-time great. Holiday isn’t, but he’s been a very good NBA player. If Jrue is gonna get totally dominated by Paul, that’s very, very bad for the Bucks.
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Paul is an all-time great. Holiday isn’t, but he’s been a very good NBA player. If Jrue is gonna get totally dominated by Paul, that’s very, very bad for the Bucks.
Jrue vs Paul isn't a thing. Paul is switching onto whatever player he wants, walking them into a midrange and hitting.
Jrue ruining any sort of flow on offense on the other hand is a legitimate gripe.
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Paul is an all-time great. Holiday isn’t, but he’s been a very good NBA player. If Jrue is gonna get totally dominated by Paul, that’s very, very bad for the Bucks.
Yep. The Bucks' defense is concerning. And you're right about Holiday, he can't get dominated in the match-up with CP3.
All this said I think the Bucks can win this series. Giannis looks fine and it's just one game. PHX was like + 16 from the FT line. I thought the Bucks were a step slow tonight and didn't play with the proper focus or intensity.
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Jrue vs Paul isn't a thing. Paul is switching onto whatever player he wants, walking them into a midrange and hitting.
Jrue ruining any sort of flow on offense on the other hand is a legitimate gripe.
What should Budenholzer do defensively?
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What should Budenholzer do defensively?
Get the guys not to panic and switch before the screen even comes?
I'm honestly not sure what they can do. Giannis can't log extended minutes at the 5. Brook was the only one keeping them in the game in the third.
This feels like Suns in 5 to me.
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Jrue vs Paul isn't a thing. Paul is switching onto whatever player he wants, walking them into a midrange and hitting.
Jrue ruining any sort of flow on offense on the other hand is a legitimate gripe.
I didn't mean it was a 1-on-1 matchup, with one defending the other.
Each is the starting PG for his team. If one gets 32 points on 12-19 shooting, 9 assists and totally controls the flow of the game, and the other gets 10 points on 4-14 shooting and disappears offensively for long stretches, the latter's team has little to no chance.
I mean, no QB defends the opposing QB, either ... but if one has a dominant performance and the other is just OK, whose team is usually gonna win?
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Get the guys not to panic and switch before the screen even comes?
I'm honestly not sure what they can do. Giannis can't log extended minutes at the 5. Brook was the only one keeping them in the game in the third.
This feels like Suns in 5 to me.
I think it will be a 6 or 7 game series but the the Bucks can't allow the Suns to parade to the line and Holiday needs to play a lot better. Remember it's just one game.
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Get the guys not to panic and switch before the screen even comes?
I'm honestly not sure what they can do. Giannis can't log extended minutes at the 5. Brook was the only one keeping them in the game in the third.
This feels like Suns in 5 to me.
I think they can try to pick up Paul earlier, like they did with Trae. That makes it easier for Jrue (or whomever) to fight through a pick versus switch. The problem is that's doesn't really work in the NBA all that well because sometime the pick is going to work, and you get your wires crossed. That's why you usually have the switch....or the drop defense...because a bad one-on-one match up is better than a one on zero match up elsewhere.
IDK, maybe set a hard edge on the screen and try to keep the ball out of the hands of the roller?
To me the problem is on the offensive end. Too many turnovers. It was fixed before, it can be fixed again.
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I think they can try to pick up Paul earlier, like they did with Trae. That makes it easier for Jrue (or whomever) to fight through a pick versus switch. The problem is that's doesn't really work in the NBA all that well because sometime the pick is going to work, and you get your wires crossed. That's why you usually have the switch....or the drop defense...because a bad one-on-one match up is better than a one on zero match up elsewhere.
IDK, maybe set a hard edge on the screen and try to keep the ball out of the hands of the roller?
To me the problem is on the offensive end. Too many turnovers. It was fixed before, it can be fixed again.
Paul is so patient. He can look like he's not going anywhere for several seconds and then, all of a sudden, he has just enough of an edge to either take his little 10-15 foot pull-up, or find an open teammate.
Another problem is that the NBA doesn't call 99 out of 100 moving screens (and I'm probably being generous saying they call 1 out of 100). Whenever any player is called for a moving screen he is totally flabbergasted because it's just not called. So when a team executes it as well as Phoenix does, it's so difficult to defend.
I think the main thing the Bucks have to do is limit the wide-open shots to the great shooters. There was a 2H stretch last night where Booker had wide-open 3s on consecutive possessions. Why would Booker's man ever leave him? As Van Gundy said, the Bucks need to pick their poison, which means leaving Crowder and/or Craig open if they have to leave anybody open.
So ultimately I agree with you ... the biggest thing the Bucks have to do is run their offense as efficiently as possible -- match firepower with firepower.
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Paul is so patient. He can look like he's not going anywhere for several seconds and then, all of a sudden, he has just enough of an edge to either take his little 10-15 foot pull-up, or find an open teammate.
Another problem is that the NBA doesn't call 99 out of 100 moving screens (and I'm probably being generous saying they call 1 out of 100). Whenever any player is called for a moving screen he is totally flabbergasted because it's just not called. So when a team executes it as well as Phoenix does, it's so difficult to defend.
I think the main thing the Bucks have to do is limit the wide-open shots to the great shooters. There was a 2H stretch last night where Booker had wide-open 3s on consecutive possessions. Why would Booker's man ever leave him? As Van Gundy said, the Bucks need to pick their poison, which means leaving Crowder and/or Craig open if they have to leave anybody open.
So ultimately I agree with you ... the biggest thing the Bucks have to do is run their offense as efficiently as possible -- match firepower with firepower.
The best way you can limit leaving players open is to switch every screen. But when you do that, you are going to have to either deal with a limited Brook Lopez OR running a smaller line up out there and taking your best big man off the floor. And the problem is they don't have a decent back-up option at center - a quick, rim protector type.
I don't think it was a great defensive game plan and my guess is that we will see other options used. But the idea that Bud is a terrible coach and there were "no brainer" options available is fallacy.
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IDK, maybe set a hard edge on the screen and try to keep the ball out of the hands of the roller?
To me the problem is on the offensive end. Too many turnovers. It was fixed before, it can be fixed again.
I've wondered why they haven't used Brook more like that.
The more I think about it, the worse I feel about this series. The Bucks defensive philosophy is to concede the midrange but they're facing a team that hunts the midrange.
Turnovers were an issue, but they also had one of their best 3 PT nights and were barely competitive in the second half. That's also worrisome.
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Hard edging screens leaves a free path for the screener to roll to the basket. In college, the PG isn't going to make that pass consistently. In the NBA, its not going to work as well. And yeah you have hit on the problem. The Bucks WANT teams to shoot mid-range - versus getting a lay-up or leaving open wide open shooters.
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Long article in The Athletic about what didn't work. Here's a brief summary of what they think has a chance ...
There are other strategic tweaks for Budenholzer and the Bucks to deploy in Game 2 and beyond, and the Suns must prep for those adjustments. You saw one of them in the fourth quarter. Budenholzer took Lopez and Portis off the floor, playing Giannis Antetokounmpo — who moved well on his ailing knee — at center, and the speedier switch-up worked. The Bucks cut the deficit to seven points and won the quarter by three.
There were still mishaps. Pat Connaughton became the Paul target when the centers were off the floor, and after switching on to Paul, he laid too far back at the free-throw line, allowing Paul to rock into a comfortable (and important) 16-footer with six minutes left. The moment it went in, Connaughton looked over at Budenholzer, who grimaced at the soft coverage and begged Connaughton to pressure him more, taking away the jumper.
“We can maybe take away some of the rhythm or make it where he’s not getting to his shots as easily,” Budenholzer said after the game.
That could mean more of a hedge-and-recover approach in Game 2, perhaps putting the agile and disruptive Jrue Holiday on Paul more often instead of Booker and demanding he get over screens. That could mean more of a stingy switching approach, fighting through simple screens and not just willingly handing over whatever matchup the offense wants without fuss.
Adjustments will be made. The tape and numbers will tell Milwaukee to go small more, and trailing 1-0 in the series, you’d expect increased urgency, which immediately makes any scheme better.
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Wojo and Coach Bud are birds of a feather
https://streamable.com/3dccpg
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Wynn every dey, aina?
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If CP3 is making triples I think you have to tip your cap. What's concerning for the Bucks is Phoenix wasn't exactly lights out from distance but won comfortably on Tues. They have to keep the Suns off the line and Holiday needs to shake off a bad shooting game on Tues.
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I like that Kareem is showing some Bucks pride
https://mobile.twitter.com/kaj33/status/1413292146958819334
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Bucks torchin' Suns' asses in da paint, aina?
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Bucks torchin' Suns' asses in da paint, aina?
Getting hammered inside but still finishing, big difference from Tuesday.
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Bucks torchin' Suns' asses in da paint, aina?
They need to attack, attack, attack. I've said this repeatedly. If I was Giannis I wouldn't take a single jump shot.
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Holiday is out of control at times. Move the basketball once you get into the paint. and help comes. Defensively the Bucks need to eliminate the corner triple. Phoenix is +15 from distance.
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Bucks start hot as hell, then go literally 3:30+ without hitting a shot before the PC 3 in the corner. Infuriating stuff
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+20 for points in the paint and only +2 from the line. If Phoenix is gonna hit 8 3s a quarter we need to get to the line.
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How many 2 footers can one team miss?
At least 10 in game one and several already tonite.
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For the Bucks to win, Holiday and Middleton have to come alive, hey?
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Another one.
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Holiday is 3-12 and has missed at least 4 point blank shots. That's 7 for 26 so far in the series. No chance if he doesn't relax and finish easy buckets.
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Sounds about right.
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Suns are quicker to the ball and are shooting lights out. Who da fook is Cameron Payne, anyhow, hey?
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Suns are quicker to the ball and are shooting lights out. Who da fook is Cameron Payne, anyhow, hey?
He played at Murray St. Didn't do much before the Suns picked him up.
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Makin' himself millions in da Playoffs, hey?
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Another one.
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Bucks simply can't match this team, shot for shot. Suns were also the best NBA team on the road this season. All this adds up to game, set, match, hey?
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Middleton is just missing wide open looks. But why Giannis continues to take 3's I'll never know. Very frustrating.
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Guess it’s time to start $hitting on Khris again so he shows up.
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Middleton needs to play a hell of a lot better.
Also, Booker's last three was a two, his foot was over the line.
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Middleton needs to play a hell of a lot better.
Also, Booker's last three was a two, his foot was over the line.
It don't matta. Bambi ain't losin' dis game bye 1 point, aina?
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None of the Bucks have shot well and it's a 5pt game.
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Another one.
They shoot 23 footers better than we shoot layups.
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I thought Booker would dominate the Fawns in the series. But no, some schmuck from Murray St. is lighting them up, hey?
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Pretty sure they've shot their load, hey?
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Passing and teamwork is the difference in this game.
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What can you do when Middleton and Jrue play so poorly? They aren’t getting bad shots.
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The Bucks were 6-25 in the 2nd Q. Many of them were missed pretty good shots but it is all iso with no ball movement.
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Someone said Bud has a call into Woj looking for the answers. Good luck with that, aina?
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Bucks don’t have the offensive efficiency or 3 pt shooting to keep up with the Suns when they hit 3s.
They need a run to start the half big time.
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I thought Booker would dominate the Fawns in the series. But no, some schmuck from Murray St. is lighting them up, hey?
Payne has 2 points, are you even watching the game?
Are you confusing him with Mikail Bridges, a top 10 pick from Nova?
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Should the Bucks slow down the tempo? Budenholzer told them to play fast
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How to identify a troll 101. Posts in round one, zero. Posts in round 2, games 3-7, zero. Posts in round 3, games 2-6, zero. Posts in finals, game 2, first half alone, 10. This is why posters "attack" you, when you openly root against the home town team, and that team ends up winning.
As for the game, no amount of coaching is gonna make those Khris or Jrue wide open shots fall if they're not falling. This games has been on them thus far.
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The Bucks were 6-25 in the 2nd Q. Many of them were missed pretty good shots but it is all iso with no ball movement.
I don’t think ball movement is the problem. Missing good shots is the problem.
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Bucks don’t have the offensive efficiency or 3 pt shooting to keep up with the Suns when they hit 3s.
They need a run to start the half big time.
The Bucks don't have Paul as a leader to control tempo, organize the offense, and execute a game plan.
Paul is the difference.
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Payne has 2 points, are you even watching the game?
Are you confusing him with Mikail Bridges, a top 10 pick from Nova?
Or Cam Johnson? Idk. He is all over the place.
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Time to get Middelton going?
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Man.....I didn't understand that shot by Middleton.
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Middleton getting absolutely torched by Booker.
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Time to get Middelton going?
I'm not one to usually beat up on Middleton. But man has he been worthless in this game. Horrendous defense, bad shots, two really bad turnovers, and he has misread numerous pick and rolls.
We need him to go on one of his massive "he's on fire" runs.
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I'm not one to usually beat up on Middleton. But man has he been worthless in this game. Horrendous defense, bad shots, two really bad turnovers, and he has misread numerous pick and rolls.
We need him to go on one of his massive "he's on fire" runs.
There's no way Milwaukee can win if Middleton and Holiday shoot this poorly. 7 for 29 so fat tonight.
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Booker is just throwing darts.
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Booker with an answer every time the Bucks get close.
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Man....that would have been a huge 3 by Connaughton.
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Game over. Allowing three offensive rebs sealed their fate.
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Pathetic effort by all except GA.
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Pathetic effort by all except GA.
They played in spurts. Very disappointing.
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Pathetic effort by all except GA.
Agreed. Except I think you can give Connaughton a pass. He showed up. No one else did though.
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Agreed. Except I think you can give Connaughton a pass. He showed up. No one else did though.
Yeah, he worked. Problem is that he is the lesser player in every matchup.
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Agreed. Except I think you can give Connaughton a pass. He showed up. No one else did though.
Agreed. Where was Middleton tonight?
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Yeah, he worked. Problem is that he is the lesser player in every matchup.
No disagreement there.
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My optimism is letting me think we need to just win Game 3 so the guys can relax a bit and settle into the series.
However, it just seems like we can’t make the big plays to turn the corner. Whether it’s not securing boards or costly turnovers when you have a chance to change momentum.
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Agreed. Where was Middleton tonight?
This is the frustrating eye test with Middleton. It feels like he has 2 modes, nuclear and on fire, or all over the place and shooting poorly like tonight
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This is the frustrating eye test with Middleton. It feels like he has 2 modes, nuclear and on fire, or all over the place and shooting poorly like tonight
Paul and Booker have throttled Holiday and Middleton through two games. That's the biggest prob. It would be manageable if it was a slight advantage for Phoenix but you can't have the disparity we have seen thus far. I think momentum can shift in Milwaukee but tonight was a winnable game for the Bucks.
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It's just a matter of how many games at this point for Phoenix.
They're just better. They are deep, good shooters, make great reads on multiple actions, and have an inside presence that the Bucks haven't had to deal with for most of the postseason.
I think the Bucks get one Sunday but it'll be done in 5, maybe 6. And that's not a knock on my guys, I just think the Suns are that good.
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https://streamable.com/953rkd
Nice play by the Suns. Jae looking great keeping a good position to always be open, and keeping the rock moving with no dribbling.
Coach Bud with another Wojo speach in game 2 - https://streamable.com/9dp88f
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https://streamable.com/953rkd
Nice play by the Suns. Jae looking great keeping a good position to always be open, and keeping the rock moving with no dribbling.
Coach Bud with another Wojo speach in game 2 - https://streamable.com/9dp88f
"Play random". What does that mean?
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Coaching most definitely wasn’t the issue last night. Unless you think a hype speech is going to get Khris and Jrue to shoot better.
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Suns are the better team. I thought the gameplan was good last night. Bucks played well. The Suns are just the better team and hit a high percentage of threes at a high volume. Tip your cap.
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Make or miss league.
Defensively I liked what they did trying to combat the PNR, but some bad habits snuck back in with the overhelping. 17 corner three attempts is way too many to concede, especially to that team.
Unless the Bucks get screaming hot from three over the next few games this thing is over.
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Make or miss league.
Defensively I liked what they did trying to combat the PNR, but some bad habits snuck back in with the overhelping. 17 corner three attempts is way too many to concede, especially to that team.
Unless the Bucks get screaming hot from three over the next few games this thing is over.
If you’re going to overplay the PNR and help in the lane, that’s what’s going to happen. They have to pick their poison.
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I haven't been abe to watch the series (Pacific Time) but looking at the stats, do you think the Suns game plan is the let Giannis get his and shut down the supporting cast?
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I haven't been abe to watch the series (Pacific Time) but looking at the stats, do you think the Suns game plan is the let Giannis get his and shut down the supporting cast?
They've made a point to try and shut Middleton down, for sure. Jrue is getting pretty good shots but just missing 2/3 of them.
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Make or miss league.
Defensively I liked what they did trying to combat the PNR, but some bad habits snuck back in with the overhelping. 17 corner three attempts is way too many to concede, especially to that team.
Unless the Bucks get screaming hot from three over the next few games this thing is over.
You're right to a degree. The Bucks have basically shot the triple very poorly during the playoffs. I believe during the year they were in the top 5. That said Phoenix is getting much better looks both in their half-court sets and transition. They move the ball with excellent passing and spacing. So people can say "it's a make or miss league" but there's a huge difference in the quality of shots Phoenix is taking vs Milwaukee. The bottom line is Paul and Booker are destroying Holiday and Middleton and that's going to have to change for the Bucks to have any chance in this series.
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I think their success shutting Giannis down in game one lead them to believe they could minimize his damage by putting Ayton or Jae on him. That just didn't work in the second game. And the Bucks were just one shot away from making it a three point game with about five to go. He was the only one dragging the Bucks back into that game.
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I haven't been abe to watch the series (Pacific Time) but looking at the stats, do you think the Suns game plan is the let Giannis get his and shut down the supporting cast?
I don't think so. To me it looked like their game plan is to beat the crap out of anyone that gets close to the tin, and essentially punish players to overcome their weakness in the paint.
Giannis was just able to play through it in game 2. He was a beast.
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I haven't been abe to watch the series (Pacific Time) but looking at the stats, do you think the Suns game plan is the let Giannis get his and shut down the supporting cast?
You need youtube.tv. They only advertised it seemingly every commercial break.
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You need youtube.tv. They only advertised it seemingly every commercial break.
Been getting home from work too late, that’s the issue.
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An AP profile on Monty Williams includes this anecdote:
There are cameras and microphones everywhere at the NBA Finals, and they happened to catch an interaction late in Game 2 that was going viral before the game was even over.
It was Phoenix coach Monty Williams, talking to Suns center Deandre Ayton during a time out and trying desperately to cheer him up on what was a slow night statistically against the Milwaukee Bucks. Ayton’s head was down. His body language was awful. Williams wasn’t having it. He started talking, then grabbed Ayton’s wrist to further commandeer his attention.
Mind you, his voice was raised high enough only so Ayton could hear him over the din of the crowd. No yelling, no screaming, no swearing, no histrionics.
“You set a high level for yourself,” Williams said. “That’s why you’re down. That’s great. Now go reach that level, OK? And you can reach it with force. Doesn’t have to be stats all the time. Go dominate the game with force, because you set a high level for yourself. Go dominate the game with force. Let’s go.”
Ayton scored shortly after that time out ended. A few seconds after that, he got a steal. A couple minutes later, with Milwaukee within six and still having hope, Ayton found Chris Paul for a 3-pointer. The Bucks were never within two possessions of tying the game again.
I love that, because I love anything that "proves" a successful coach can be a good guy, and need not be a hard-arse to win big.
In 2014-15, Williams coached the Pelicans to a 45-37 record before they lost in the first round of the playoffs to the eventual champion Warriors.
The Pelicans then fired Williams. They thought they could do much better.
He was an assistant for 2 years, spent a couple years as a team executive, and spent a little time away from basketball as he mourned the loss of his wife, who died in a car accident.
The Suns hired him as coach before the COVID-19 season, when they had their best record in years and capped it by going 8-0 in the "mini-bubble."
This season, Williams is two wins away from the NBA title for a franchise that has never won one.
The Pelicans, meanwhile, are about to be on their third coach since they fired Williams. New Orleans is a basketball wasteland; AD already left and most expect Zion to do the same.
When (If) Monty Williams lifts the championship trophy over his head, the Pelicans can reflect on how much "better" they've done without him.
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An AP profile on Monty Williams includes this anecdote:
There are cameras and microphones everywhere at the NBA Finals, and they happened to catch an interaction late in Game 2 that was going viral before the game was even over.
It was Phoenix coach Monty Williams, talking to Suns center Deandre Ayton during a time out and trying desperately to cheer him up on what was a slow night statistically against the Milwaukee Bucks. Ayton’s head was down. His body language was awful. Williams wasn’t having it. He started talking, then grabbed Ayton’s wrist to further commandeer his attention.
Mind you, his voice was raised high enough only so Ayton could hear him over the din of the crowd. No yelling, no screaming, no swearing, no histrionics.
“You set a high level for yourself,” Williams said. “That’s why you’re down. That’s great. Now go reach that level, OK? And you can reach it with force. Doesn’t have to be stats all the time. Go dominate the game with force, because you set a high level for yourself. Go dominate the game with force. Let’s go.”
Ayton scored shortly after that time out ended. A few seconds after that, he got a steal. A couple minutes later, with Milwaukee within six and still having hope, Ayton found Chris Paul for a 3-pointer. The Bucks were never within two possessions of tying the game again.
I love that, because I love anything that "proves" a successful coach can be a good guy, and need not be a hard-arse to win big.
In 2014-15, Williams coached the Pelicans to a 45-37 record before they lost in the first round of the playoffs to the eventual champion Warriors.
The Pelicans then fired Williams. They thought they could do much better.
He was an assistant for 2 years, spent a couple years as a team executive, and spent a little time away from basketball as he mourned the loss of his wife, who died in a car accident.
The Suns hired him as coach before the COVID-19 season, when they had their best record in years and capped it by going 8-0 in the "mini-bubble."
This season, Williams is two wins away from the NBA title for a franchise that has never won one.
The Pelicans, meanwhile, are about to be on their third coach since they fired Williams. New Orleans is a basketball wasteland; AD already left and most expect Zion to do the same.
When (If) Monty Williams lifts the championship trophy over his head, the Pelicans can reflect on how much "better" they've done without him.
Budenholzer to the Pelicans?
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Team USA was -30 tonight.
Last time Team USA played Nigeria, they won 156-73 in London in 2012.
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Team USA was -30 tonight.
Last time Team USA played Nigeria, they won 156-73 in London in 2012.
Beyond being cold from deep and Nigeria being hot from 3, I genuinely question Pop’s approach. You have a bunch of lights out shooters and insane athletes, why are you trying to be methodical on offense?
Don’t even get me started on the final possession down 3. It was some of the stupidest basketball I’ve seen since end of game Wojo. You’re running weaves to try and get Lavine open when you have Beal, Lillard, and Durant there? And Tatum? Baffling. When I saw Lillard get the ball and not even look to shoot cause it was blatant he was supposed to toss to Lavine, I blurted out “what?!”
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Two good things to come out of USMNT humiliating loss tonight-
1) Exhibition game
2) Belongs to Popovich - this being especially good.
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Team USA was -30 tonight.
Last time Team USA played Nigeria, they won 156-73 in London in 2012.
Lost to a team 2-8 all time in Olympic play and #22 in FIBA rankings.
It can’t be sugar coated how embarrassing a loss this is.
Nice going Pop.
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Jay Wright should take over the HC position immediately.
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Lost to a team 2-8 all time in Olympic play and #22 in FIBA rankings.
It can’t be sugar coated how embarrassing a loss this is.
Nice going Pop.
I guess it can't be "sugar coated" ... except for the fact that it was an exhibition game that nobody outside of Nigeria gives a rat's rump about.
If the US team has a bad Olympics -- which by our standards means anything less than gold -- it will be remembered as the reddest of red flags. But if Pop's team wins gold, it will have meant ... well, is there such a thing as less than nothing?
So we'll see.
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Jay Wright should take over the HC position immediately.
Because of all of his experience coaching pros?
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Because of all of his experience coaching pros?
Pop has lost it. They could go with Kerr maybe.
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Because of all of his experience coaching pros?
Great point. Look at the problems Coach K had coaching NBA players, 75-1 all time, 3 for 3 Olympic gold.
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In the words of Linkin Park... In the end, it doesn't even matter.
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Pop has lost it. They could go with Kerr maybe.
Or Mike Brown. Wait...that probably won't work...
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I guess I'm just too patient, but I'm willing to wait until we actually see what happens in the actual Olympics before concluding that a coach who won 5 NBA titles has "lost it."
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I guess I'm just too patient, but I'm willing to wait until we actually see what happens in the actual Olympics before concluding that a coach who won 5 NBA titles has "lost it."
I don't know about "lost it", but Olympic/international basketball is a different animal. Not to mention managing high scoring superstars was never Spurs basketball. I just question his approach/tactics about
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I don't know about "lost it", but Olympic/international basketball is a different animal. Not to mention managing high scoring superstars was never Spurs basketball. I just question his approach/tactics about
Perhaps he is happy with the outcome.
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From the AP:
In listing his reasons for deciding to play in the Olympics for a third time, Kevin Durant put U.S. coach Gregg Popovich high on the list.
It’s no secret that players around the league hold the longtime San Antonio coach in the highest regard, and Durant said the opportunity to play for the five-time NBA champion factored into his thinking.
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From the AP:
In listing his reasons for deciding to play in the Olympics for a third time, Kevin Durant put U.S. coach Gregg Popovich high on the list.
It’s no secret that players around the league hold the longtime San Antonio coach in the highest regard, and Durant said the opportunity to play for the five-time NBA champion factored into his thinking.
Pop is too woke for some
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Looks like Jae is getting more specific Giannis duty tonight.
Usually Jae plays almost the entire 1st Qtr before his first rest.
Giannis went to bench 3.5 in. Jae went too. GIannis came back 2 min later and Jae followed.
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Perhaps he is happy with the outcome.
He's happy with his squad losing to a 30 pt underdog in one of the biggest upsets in international basketball history? They also looked horrible at times. It wasn't some epic game they fell short in.
If you're talking about from a some odd wake up call/motivation perspective, surely there are better ways for a HOF coach to get through or motivate a team than losing to a squad featuring Gabe Vincent prominently.
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Jeff Teague had about six good minutes in the playoffs.
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suns in 5 i hate to say
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funny when suns play like trash still win . lolololl
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suns in 5 i hate to say
If the Bucks are lucky.
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He's happy with his squad losing to a 30 pt underdog in one of the biggest upsets in international basketball history? They also looked horrible at times. It wasn't some epic game they fell short in.
If you're talking about from a some odd wake up call/motivation perspective, surely there are better ways for a HOF coach to get through or motivate a team than losing to a squad featuring Gabe Vincent prominently.
I didn’t see the game or know if it was even possible to see the game. NBA players are tough to coach, even if you are Pop. I’m just saying that from a coaching perspective, other than the obvious stigma of losing to a vastly inferior team, this is probably not the worst outcome.
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Bucks are on a run and the Suns bring in Kaminsky??
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Bucks are on a run and the Suns bring in Kaminsky??
Lol.
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I don’t think Bucks can win small ball.
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Kaminsky brought back in
And the game is quickly over.
Incredible they play this guy
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I don’t think Bucks can win small ball.
Disagreed. That’s where they need to win the series. When Ayton is on the bench, whether it’s them going small or Frank being on the court.
If they go small it means one of their top 3 players are out. The Bucks can match it and still have their 3 best players on the court. And their “small ball” still includes Giannis and one of Bobby or Tucker, so they can kill them on the glass.
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Kaminsky brought back in
And the game is quickly over.
Incredible they play this guy
The Saric injury is driving that. It didn’t look like Frank even had his shoes tied before that happened in Game 1.
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The Saric injury is driving that. It didn’t look like Frank even had his shoes tied before that happened in Game 1.
Play super small.
Nader cannot possibly be worse
the corpse of Etwan Moore. Galloway. Towel boy. Something ha.
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Frank is actually worse than Jeff Teague. Both getting NBA Finals minutes.
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Get the starters out please.
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Moving screens are so rarely called that Lopez couldn't believe it even though he shoved his guy right out of the way.
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Disagreed. That’s where they need to win the series. When Ayton is on the bench, whether it’s them going small or Frank being on the court.
If they go small it means one of their top 3 players are out. The Bucks can match it and still have their 3 best players on the court. And their “small ball” still includes Giannis and one of Bobby or Tucker, so they can kill them on the glass.
Yep. They did it by default tonight when Ayton got into foul trouble and dominated those minutes.
Sidebar: I'm going to eat my words later in the series, but Pat Connaughton, Chris Paul on ball defender...I don't hate it?
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I'm curious why Booker barely played in the 2nd half? Did I miss something?
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Yep. They did it by default tonight when Ayton got into foul trouble and dominated those minutes.
Sidebar: I'm going to eat my words later in the series, but Pat Connaughton, Chris Paul on ball defender...I don't hate it?
The lead stayed even when Ayton came out. It was when Paul went to the bench that the doors fell of for the Suns.
Paul is has a bigger impact on their team than any single player in the NBA has on their own team.
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Yeah Paul went out of the game with about 2:30 to go in the 3rd quarter with the Suns down 9. He came back in with 48 seconds to go and they were down 17 - soon to grow to 22. Without Paul on the floor, the offense just fell apart with iso moves and lack of ball movement.
The problem for Phoenix is they had no rim protection with Ayton out of the game. And while Jae does a decent job on Giannis at times, he didn't last night. He was having a field day in that quarter.
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Yeah Paul went out of the game with about 2:30 to go in the 3rd quarter with the Suns down 9. He came back in with 48 seconds to go and they were down 17 - soon to grow to 22. Without Paul on the floor, the offense just fell apart with iso moves and lack of ball movement.
The problem for Phoenix is they had no rim protection with Ayton out of the game. And while Jae does a decent job on Giannis at times, he didn't last night. He was having a field day in that quarter.
There were a couple times Jae crowded Giannis, who then easily went past Jae for layups.
Not sure why Jae would crowd a guy who has trouble hitting shots from beyond 10 feet. But hey ... our guy's name is Crowder, after all!
And yes, Paul is the most important Sun. Has been all season and definitely has been all postseason. With two full days off before G3 and two more full days off before G4, it will mean the Suns will have played only one game in a 5-day span. I think the Bucks can expect a rested and ready Chris Paul for G4.
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There were a couple times Jae crowded Giannis, who then easily went past Jae for layups.
Not sure why Jae would crowd a guy who has trouble hitting shots from beyond 10 feet. But hey ... our guy's name is Crowder, after all!
And yes, Paul is the most important Sun. Has been all season and definitely has been all postseason. With two full days off before G3 and two more full days off before G4, it will mean the Suns will have played only one game in a 5-day span. I think the Bucks can expect a rested and ready Chris Paul for G4.
The reason Crowder pick him up early is because he doesn't have the size to give space like Ayton does. If Giannis gets too far inside on Jae, it's over.
And the Bucks are getting the same benefit of rest. Was wondering if the Suns were located closer, say in Texas, whether or not they would have flown home last night.
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The reason Crowder pick him up early is because he doesn't have the size to give space like Ayton does. If Giannis gets too far inside on Jae, it's over.
And the Bucks are getting the same benefit of rest. Was wondering if the Suns were located closer, say in Texas, whether or not they would have flown home last night.
Size for what? To put a hand in Giannis' face and contest the 17-foot jumper the Suns actually want Giannis to take?
Yep, the Bucks are getting the same benefit of rest ... and it no doubt will especially help Giannis, who has to be sore even though he hasn't played like a guy coming off an ugly-looking injury. But Paul also has been beaten up, and he's 10 years older than Giannis.
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Crowder isn't coming THAT far out. He's meeting him further out than Ayton would.
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Not sure if it’s a major reason for Crowder playing Giannis so tight, but Crowder has drawn offensive fouls from Giannis by playing physical and Giannis lowering a shoulder.
Booker sitting so much was interesting. He can get hot in a hurry, so I’m not sure if his legs are that tired that he needed more time to rest. Especially with the 2 days between games in this stretch.
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I think Booker just played like sh*t when Paul was out the game, and Williams just decided his head wasn't right and left him out. I can't believe he would be physically tired when compared to everyone else.
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The key to the Bucks success was they pushed the tempo and the Suns were caught flat-footed, hey?
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The key to the Bucks success was they pushed the tempo and the Suns were caught flat-footed, hey?
Because their defense stepped up in the second quarter. The only way they can push tempo is if the Suns are turning it over or missing shots - and they did a lot of both in that quarter.
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Knot bad four a dude hoo don't no chit 'bout ball, aina?
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The key to the Bucks success was they pushed the tempo and the Suns were caught flat-footed, hey?
The key to the bucks success was that they finally knocked down open 3's, and quit missing 2-footers, and the Suns hot streak of hitting everything they shot from 3-pt land didn't go in, regression to the mean.
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The key to the bucks success was that they finally knocked down open 3's, and quit missing 2-footers, and the Suns hot streak of hitting everything they shot from 3-pt land didn't go in, regression to the mean.
It also helped the Bucks were better at rebounding. Game 1 and 2 felt like the Bucks got a big stop to turn the corner, but couldn’t secure the rebound. Then the Suns hit a 3.
They did a better job at getting to 50/50 balls. Hopefully they can keep that up as they looked a half step slower in Phoenix.
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The key to the bucks success was that they finally knocked down open 3's, and quit missing 2-footers, and the Suns hot streak of hitting everything they shot from 3-pt land didn't go in, regression to the mean.
Then Suns EFG% for the first two games was exactly at their season average. It wasn't regression. They are just an excellent shooting team.
The bucks actually outshot the Suns by a lot in game one.
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Then Suns EFG% for the first two games was exactly at their season average.
Together for sure. Game 1 was a poor shooting night by Sun's standards. They were en fuego Game 2. Average of both games gets them to their season average.
Game 1 was mostly poor play by the Bucks
Game 2 was mostly incredible play by the Suns
Game 3 was both incredible play by the Bucks and poor play by the Suns
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Together for sure. Game 1 was a poor shooting night by Sun's standards. They were en fuego Game 2. Average of both games gets them to their season average.
Game 1 was mostly poor play by the Bucks
Game 2 was mostly incredible play by the Suns
Game 3 was both incredible play by the Bucks and poor play by the Suns
I agree with this analysis.
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It’s always fun to watch international basketball cause you see some guys who were just good consistent NBA guys play as the star for their respective countries. One of those, I always forget, is Patty Mills. He’s a reliable NBA PG, but internationally he’s the engine that drives a solid Aussie team and he’s ELECTRIC.
Also, Pop’s offense with this team still F-ing sucks. It’s completely “make the extra pass” instead of just scoring
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Team USA was -16 tonight vs Australia.
They lost by 8.
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Team USA was -16 tonight vs Australia.
They lost by 8.
Scored 1 point the last 3 minutes. Pathetic tentative confused offense. But I’m sure Pop was “happy” with this result or some nonsense.
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Uh-Oh. What happened? Did koalas take the floor and perplex the USA players?
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Team USA was -16 tonight vs Australia.
They lost by 8.
Looks like the easiest money in the world can be made just by betting against the U.S. team.
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This is unbelievable what’s happening. We’re not even playing close to the world’s best. It’s not to late to save this, replace Popovich now. Today. No one should be losing to teams like this with NBA players. There is no excusing this away.
But Popovich did say they were better last night, so everyone can take a measure of comfort in that.
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Team USA was -16 tonight vs Australia.
They lost by 8.
Australia has never even medaled in the Olympics. The most men’s basketball competition appearances without a medal.
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This is unbelievable what’s happening. We’re not even playing close to the world’s best. It’s not to late to save this, replace Popovich now. Today. No one should be losing to teams like this with NBA players. There is no excusing this away.
But Popovich did say they were better last night, so everyone can take a measure of comfort in that.
How is Pop the problem?
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How is Pop the problem?
He’s woke
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It's clearly Kevin Love's fault.
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Somehow, I am sure this is Lebron's fault.
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Somehow, I am sure this is Lebron's fault.
Well, if he were starting instead of Jerami Grant, they would not be losing. So yeah, it is. :)
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My only thought with Pop having difficulties would be meshing a bunch of random guys together on the fly might not be his strength. On top of SA having great players, they had great players who bought into a system that they were a part of for many years. Maybe he’s trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.
I’d worry more when they lose the games that count, but it’s not a great start.
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My only thought with Pop having difficulties would be meshing a bunch of random guys together on the fly might not be his strength. On top of SA having great players, they had great players who bought into a system that they were a part of for many years. Maybe he’s trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.
I’d worry more when they lose the games that count, but it’s not a great start.
Thats sort of my thought. It feels like the offense alternates between clogged/ineffective iso and over complicated system ball that the team isn't used to or prepared for. So you get this weird combo that cant get buckets when it counts.
Also, I know they are working stuff out, but its clear certain guys are being given roles they are supposed to stick to. For example, we all know what a ruthless killing machine KD is when it comes to scoring. But most of the game, he was clearly instructed to pass/distribute as he clearly passed up open shots, didn't exploit clear mismatches, didn't finish where he normally would. But then you get to the 4th, and its "oh damn we need buckets" and KD was cold.
Again, they are still meaningless games, but its not encouraging to watch.
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He’s woke
Yep. This is what he gets for being a reverse racist -- canceling all the superstar white players who wanted to be on the team. Not to mention him refusing to let Mr. Potato Head be the official toy of Team USA.
#cantwinwithoutsamdekker
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The players are also used to NBA reffing and international reffing is very different.
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Didn't a bunch of them just wrap up their slog of an NBA season? And now they're probably using the exhibition games to try lineups/schemes out, which is what they should be used for?
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Didn't a bunch of them just wrap up their slog of an NBA season? And now they're probably using the exhibition games to try lineups/schemes out, which is what they should be used for?
It's not like Australia's players weren't just playing in the same NBA season...
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USA is 18.5-point fave tonight.
So who's betting big on Argentina?
The line on the actual Olympic opener vs. France opened at -19 but is down to -15.5.
USA is still 1/6 fave to win gold. Australia is next at 9/1, followed by Spain at 10/1.
France at 20/1 and Nigeria at 33/1 could be good value bets, especially if USA really does stink; have at it, people!
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USA is 18.5-point fave tonight.
So who's betting big on Argentina?
The line on the actual Olympic opener vs. France opened at -19 but is down to -15.5.
USA is still 1/6 fave to win gold. Australia is next at 9/1, followed by Spain at 10/1.
France at 20/1 and Nigeria at 33/1 could be good value bets, especially if USA really does stink; have at it, people!
Argentina seems to be the worst of the quad by a decent clip. They played Australia close but that was the Boomers working out some kinks. They got shellacked by Nigeria. Its really just Campazzo and an aged Luis Scola. The rest of their squad is streaky shooters. But I don't have any faith in the US to blow anyone out right now.
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https://www.nba.com/news/usa-basketball-announces-2021-olympic-team-roster
There is the roster. It strikes me that Holiday, Middleton, and Booker are still playing. They will need time to adapt to the system. The other thing noticeable thing is that this is not an all-star team.
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https://www.nba.com/news/usa-basketball-announces-2021-olympic-team-roster
There is the roster. It strikes me that Holiday, Middleton, and Booker are still playing. They will need time to adapt to the system. The other thing noticeable thing is that this is not an all-star team.
I mean, its not an all-star team if you mean Lebron, Steph, AD, and others arent playing. But outside of Grant, everyone on the roster is on a max deal and has made multiple ASGs. Well Lavine isnt on a max but is up for one. And Grant just had a breakout MIP year.
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Like all star games, the Olympics have lost their allure for me. But with all of the wailing and gnashing of teeth due to their losses, I thought I would check out their roster. Meh. And 3 playmakers are still playing. Maybe this will be the second team to underperform. (I don't count 1972. That was cheating). If so, there will be.much blaming, finger pointing, memes and tropes.
To me, it looks as much a scheduling and compressed season issue as it does a.personnel or coaching issue.
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Like all star games, the Olympics have lost their allure for me. But with all of the wailing and gnashing of teeth due to their losses, I thought I would check out their roster. Meh. And 3 playmakers are still playing. Maybe this will be the second team to underperform. (I don't count 1972. That was cheating). If so, there will be.much blaming, finger pointing, memes and tropes.
To me, it looks as much a scheduling and compressed season issue as it does a.personnel or coaching issue.
I hear you to an extent, but the collective shrug at the roster cause Lebron isn’t there is just silly to me. You have the best scorer on the planet in KD, you have Lillard who has been first or second All NBA the last 5 years, Tatum and Beal who are superstar scorers. Adebayo is the second best player on a team that made the finals last year, averaged double doubles the last 2 years and made All Defensive teams. Lavine who, while flawed, scores in flurries.
And the problem hasn’t been defense, they can’t score when they need to. The offense vanishes at times. It’s not like Booker or Middleton do something the aforementioned scorers can’t. The offensive woes or confusion is what is making people spaz.
They will figure it out, there is too much talent not to. But disappearing the entire second half last night, after the Nigeria debacle, is beyond puzzling.
I firmly disagree about Olympic basketball. If not for the US, I love watching players play in different roles. Tomas Satoransky is just a guy in the NBA, but he is the engine for the Czechs and he plays like an animal. Patty Mills in the yellow and green looks more like Steph Curry somehow. Luka just led Slovenia to their first Olympics ever. Nigeria is gonna be fun as long as they don’t give Okafor too many minutes that bum
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Why isn't JFB on the team?
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Why isn't JFB on the team?
Short season after bubble Finals, COVID wore him down, Max contract discussions underway.
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Team USA won by 28 tonight
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Team USA won by 28 tonight
Why didn't they win by 40+? Clearly Pop's fault.
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This item in an NBA notes column in The Athletic caught my eye:
Across the league, many believe Hawks forward/center John Collins increased his value as a maximum contract-caliber player during Atlanta’s run to the Eastern Conference finals. In 18 postseason games, Collins averaged 13.9 points, 8.7 rebounds and 35.7 percent 3-point shooting.
Really? 14 points, 9 rebounds and 36% 3-point shooting is all it takes to possibly get a max deal? Really? I guess a few teams will see the potential for Collins to increase those numbers significantly. But wow.
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This item in an NBA notes column in The Athletic caught my eye:
Across the league, many believe Hawks forward/center John Collins increased his value as a maximum contract-caliber player during Atlanta’s run to the Eastern Conference finals. In 18 postseason games, Collins averaged 13.9 points, 8.7 rebounds and 35.7 percent 3-point shooting.
Really? 14 points, 9 rebounds and 36% 3-point shooting is all it takes to possibly get a max deal? Really? I guess a few teams will see the potential for Collins to increase those numbers significantly. But wow.
When you're still only 23 years old, yes.
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When you're still only 23 years old, yes.
Yeah, and it seems these days you can always find trading partners to get rid of these contracts when you have to. And what's the alternative? Drafting someone late in the first round and hope they develop?
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This item in an NBA notes column in The Athletic caught my eye:
Across the league, many believe Hawks forward/center John Collins increased his value as a maximum contract-caliber player during Atlanta’s run to the Eastern Conference finals. In 18 postseason games, Collins averaged 13.9 points, 8.7 rebounds and 35.7 percent 3-point shooting.
Really? 14 points, 9 rebounds and 36% 3-point shooting is all it takes to possibly get a max deal? Really? I guess a few teams will see the potential for Collins to increase those numbers significantly. But wow.
I think this shows that the true max guys are underpaid. It’s why I think people get too hung up on Middleton being a max player thinking that means he should be a top 10 player to justify that. There are a lot of guys with max money that make people scratch their head, but that’s what it takes to sign those guys in free agency.
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Does it also have something to do with the limited quantity of max contracts available to a team? I honestly don't even pay attention to how that works, but I know that even if the Clippers took billionaire money and decided to just throw stupid $s at every free agent, some rule would prevent them from signing 5 max guys...
So the argument becomes less of "Is Collins good" than it is "Is Collins good enough that he justifies spending one of these limited quantities of max deals on him *as opposed to free agent X*?"
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Does it also have something to do with the limited quantity of max contracts available to a team? I honestly don't even pay attention to how that works, but I know that even if the Clippers took billionaire money and decided to just throw stupid $s at every free agent, some rule would prevent them from signing 5 max guys...
So the argument becomes less of "Is Collins good" than it is "Is Collins good enough that he justifies spending one of these limited quantities of max deals on him *as opposed to free agent X*?"
I agree with this. I also think the consolidation of talent on a few Superteams brings a few max guys onto one team and then they fill their roster with rookies or ring-chasing vets (Matthews, Korver, Tucker) that have already made their money and willing to take a below market deal. You then have 20-25 teams with cap space competing for these lower tier guys that have big contracts being thrown at them.
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This item in an NBA notes column in The Athletic caught my eye:
Across the league, many believe Hawks forward/center John Collins increased his value as a maximum contract-caliber player during Atlanta’s run to the Eastern Conference finals. In 18 postseason games, Collins averaged 13.9 points, 8.7 rebounds and 35.7 percent 3-point shooting.
Really? 14 points, 9 rebounds and 36% 3-point shooting is all it takes to possibly get a max deal? Really? I guess a few teams will see the potential for Collins to increase those numbers significantly. But wow.
His career numbers, from ages 19-23, are 17 PPG, 8 RPG, on 57% shooting and 38% 3P shooting. He is incredibly athletic as well. Prime candidate for a max contract.
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His career numbers, from ages 19-23, are 17 PPG, 8 RPG, on 57% shooting and 38% 3P shooting. He is incredibly athletic as well. Prime candidate for a max contract.
Thanks for those stats.
Still doesn't scream "max contract!" in my eyes, but the excellent conversation between cheebs and jficke does a nice job illuminating the entire max-contract world.
And I totally agree with cheebs about the "true max guys" being underpaid. If John Collins is worth a max deal, what are KD, LeBron and Giannis worth? Obviously, though, players and teams can only operate within the framework of the CBA, and this is what has been collectively bargained.
I'll be interested in seeing what Collins ends up getting.
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Good olympic players can shoot, can play physical defense, and can take 5 fouls on the way to the hoop and still score - without flopping or expecting a call, because the call is not coming.
Dame fits, KD fits, Melo fits but unfortunately isn't on the team this year, Book should be great, Beal won't make the ajdustment, Kris should, and Jrue would be perfect if he can work into the system. Bam might fit, Tatum can't take contact, Dray can't shoot, Levine is borderline. Grant and Love??? Inexplicable.
The main problem is these other international teams have been playing together since they were 16 and most have a distinct system and style of play that gets easy buckets when everyone knows the system. On a good day the top 5 international teams can beat anyone - including Team USA - because they will get a lot of "system" buckets and because they understand how to play D the international way. American style one on one basketball won't win games in this type of competition.
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Good olympic players can shoot, can play physical defense, and can take 5 fouls on the way to the hoop and still score - without flopping or expecting a call, because the call is not coming.
Dame fits, KD fits, Melo fits but unfortunately isn't on the team this year, Book should be great, Beal won't make the ajdustment, Kris should, and Jrue would be perfect if he can work into the system. Bam might fit, Tatum can't take contact, Dray can't shoot, Levine is borderline. Grant and Love??? Inexplicable.
The main problem is these other international teams have been playing together since they were 16 and most have a distinct system and style of play that gets easy buckets when everyone knows the system. On a good day the top 5 international teams can beat anyone - including Team USA - because they will get a lot of "system" buckets and because they understand how to play D the international way. American style one on one basketball won't win games in this type of competition.
Yeah, I have been hearing this for 30 some years now. About the "systems" of the top international teams, and how the "American style of basketball doesn't fit."
OTOH, Team USA is 138-5 in the Olympics with three of those losses coming in 2004.
It seems like whatever style America is playing, is working just fine.
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I hear ya.
And it seems the guys on the team think the same...
but the gap has closed.
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Good olympic players can shoot, can play physical defense, and can take 5 fouls on the way to the hoop and still score - without flopping or expecting a call, because the call is not coming.
Dame fits, KD fits, Melo fits but unfortunately isn't on the team this year, Book should be great, Beal won't make the ajdustment, Kris should, and Jrue would be perfect if he can work into the system. Bam might fit, Tatum can't take contact, Dray can't shoot, Levine is borderline. Grant and Love??? Inexplicable.
The main problem is these other international teams have been playing together since they were 16 and most have a distinct system and style of play that gets easy buckets when everyone knows the system. On a good day the top 5 international teams can beat anyone - including Team USA - because they will get a lot of "system" buckets and because they understand how to play D the international way. American style one on one basketball won't win games in this type of competition.
Draymond plays excellent defense and can initiate offense from the forward position. Which is important because other than Holiday, the team has no true PG. That’s why he’s on the team.
Grant shot around 38% from 3 the last few years, from the 4 spot. He can defend basically every position on the floor and is long and athletic. Not sure how that’s “inexplicable”…maybe cause he’s not a household name and was on a terrible team.
Kevin Love is a locker room guy, pure and simple. Won a Gold medal and a FIBA world championship. Been in the Finals a bunch of times. Again, can shoot with size for a team that doesn’t have much size. He’s not gonna play a ton of minutes but he’s a steadying presence for an inexperienced team.
Yeah, I have been hearing this for 30 some years now. About the "systems" of the top international teams, and how the "American style of basketball doesn't fit."
OTOH, Team USA is 138-5 in the Olympics with three of those losses coming in 2004.
It seems like whatever style America is playing, is working just fine.
Just like college basketball, a good system with guys who understand and buy in can make up for a lack of talent. But you’re still probably gonna get smacked by Duke or Kansas, superior talent usually wins. Same applies to Olympic ball. Australia and Spain and others have got a lot better, but the US will always have way more talent
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Awful start for the Bucks. WTH?
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The Bucks' offense is just guys dribbling and going one on one.
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The Bucks' offense is just guys dribbling and going one on one.
What game are you watching?
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Giannis needs to calm down and just take an easy 10 foot J if they sag like that. Book is having a great game .
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Giannis needs to calm down and just take an easy 10 foot J if they sag like that. Book is having a great game .
I don’t know if there’s such a thing as an easy 10 ft J for Giannis.
It would be huge to get 5 on Booker soon.
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No answer right now for Booker. I think you have ro deny him the ball.
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Jrue is such a black hole sometimes.
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Brutal game for Holiday. Needs to wake up.
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Jrue is such a black hole sometimes.
He's a composed and heady player most of the time, but he gets into these modes where he is a sloppy driver and loses the ball repeatedly or takes really bad shots in the paint
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Wow. Huge call and three FT's for Jae.
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6th foul on Booker right there, hey?
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Lol. Booker’s constant b!tching paid off. What a joke.
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Worst non-call in NBA history.
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How on earth do you not call that foul on Booker? Was that 6?
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NBA is rigged. Not fouling Booker out there is absolute garbage.
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I am interested to see how Booker shoots rest of the way. I wonder/hope he cooled off sitting so long.
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Holy hell. How was that not a foul on Booker?
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That was really bad. Really really bad.
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NBA is rigged. Not fouling Booker out there is absolute garbage.
I’ve always laughed at conspiracies but that play changed my mind.
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Booker fouled him about 3 times on the play. Pushed him in the back wrapped (and turned) him with his arm, and raked him across the arm. Ridiculous.
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I’ve always laughed at conspiracies but that play changed my mind.
No conspiracy. Bad call.
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But Giannis doesn’t get the protection that Booker does.
Crowder may be the biggest crybaby in the league.
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No conspiracy. Bad call.
No conspiracy, but that was beyond a bad call. It was atrocious.
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Really smart plays by Giannis to pass it off at the last moments.
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Wow. Was that Booker's 7th foul?? Smh.
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Booker gets away with another one.
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Really smart plays by Giannis to pass it off at the last moments.
I don’t hate that those were called on the floor.
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Wow. Was that Booker's 7th foul?? Smh.
Yeah, that is getting ridiculous. Especially after the absurd previous one, you can't not call that 2nd foul.
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Giannis just destroyed Ayton's soul with that block.
Wow. Was that Booker's 7th foul?? Smh.
100% correct Muggsy
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lol and then he complains about not getting a call.
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Lol at Booker whining at not getting a call.
Let’s steal one on Saturday Bucks.
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I can't believe they never replayed Giannis's block. That was epic.
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I can't believe they never replayed Giannis's block. That was epic.
but we’ll probably still see 40 replays of cam Johnson’s dunk the other day.
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Huge win for Milwaukee. Tremendous game from KM and a massive shot from Connaughton. Now, will Holiday get it together in Phoenix?
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We're bucks fans chanting "MU sucks" when Crowder was shooting free throws with about 2min left?
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I can't believe they never replayed Giannis's block. That was epic.
It was pretty incredible
https://twitter.com/slamonline/status/1415514598128721934?s=21
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We're bucks fans chanting "MU sucks" when Crowder was shooting free throws with about 2min left?
Wait a min....did they??? WTH??
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We're bucks fans chanting "MU sucks" when Crowder was shooting free throws with about 2min left?
I believe it was “refs you suck.”
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Maybe the best block I’ve ever seen.
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I believe it was “refs you suck.”
yeah it was this
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It was pretty incredible
https://twitter.com/slamonline/status/1415514598128721934?s=21
Wow. Tremendous play. I'm not sure I could do that on an 8 ft hoop. :(
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Top headline on ESPN:
“Refs ignore blatant Booker foul, Giannis gets the bucket as Bucks even series“
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Worse non call since that crap with Kobe and Sacramento many moons ago. Really Mickey Mouse.
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I believe it was “refs you suck.”
Got it. My fiancé and I looked at each other and realized that would've been the first college chant reference I could remember at an NBA game.
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Malika Andrews asks Middleton what it was like to trade buckets with Booker. As if he should he honored.
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Malika Andrews asks Middleton what it was like to trade buckets with Booker. As if he should he honored.
Mickey-Mouse question.
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Bucks’ fan victimization is so annoying.
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Brutal no-call on Booker, obviously. (Both times.) Tough game to call. They mostly decided to let more fouls go, but then they would mysteriously call a touch foul. Holiday was mugging Booker on just about every possession. Giannis was fouled constantly. Refs could have called 3-4-5 things every possession. On the jump ball with about 5 minutes left, the ball went out off the Bucks; but they were given possession and Middleton followed with a 3-pointer. And on and on. Tough job, but not one of their better efforts.
In the end, the team that played better at the most important junctures won. Chris Paul had a loose handle all night -- lots of fumbling the basketball even when he didn't turn it over -- and that last turnover was horrible. Incredible block by Giannis. Big shots by Middleton; looking forward to Doc Dribble calling him just another "smoe" again.
Congrats to the Bucks and their fans. Crucial game and they came away with the win.
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I'm a bandwagon Bucks fan but read and listened to many people that stated Phoenix would roll them in this series. It they can somehow get all three of their stars playing at a reasonably high level they have a great chance of getting this done. Obviously they are still underdogs with PHX having home-court, but they are capable of raising their level imo.
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Malika Andrews asks Middleton what it was like to trade buckets with Booker. As if he should he honored.
Booker is one of the brightest young stars in the league, an absolutely insane scorer, and soon to be his future Olympic teammate. He can go bucket for bucket with just about anyone, that’s not a silly question at all. NBA players love going bucket for bucket against other greats. Especially cause there isn’t a person in the league that takes Middleton over Booker for a pure scorer, and that’s not a slight on KM
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Have to say I thought Bucks were dead in the water down nine. Heck of a fight back to even the series. Will always be a memorable game for me.
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Has anyone else noticed that Giannis (at least 4 times) has gotten away with not being out of bounds when he throws the ball in play after a Suns bucket? Maybe this is common with many players during a game, but like the 10 sec FT thing he needs to be aware.
It's time for Holiday to find his shot. He's certainly capable. It looks to me that he rushing a bit and playing a bit too fast at times in the half-court. I also think Lopez should get more touches when he's on the floor. Keep attacking the paint, they have one big.
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Has anyone else noticed that Giannis (at least 4 times) has gotten away with not being out of bounds when he throws the ball in play after a Suns bucket? Maybe this is common with many players during a game, but like the 10 sec FT thing he needs to be aware.
It's time for Holiday to find his shot. He's certainly capable. It looks to me that he rushing a bit and playing a bit too fast at times in the half-court. I also think Lopez should get more touches when he's on the floor. Keep attacking the paint, they have one big.
The refs have always played loose with the overly technical stuff that doesn't actually impact the game. I wish they'd do the same in college.
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Has anyone else noticed that Giannis (at least 4 times) has gotten away with not being out of bounds when he throws the ball in play after a Suns bucket? Maybe this is common with many players during a game, but like the 10 sec FT thing he needs to be aware.
It's time for Holiday to find his shot. He's certainly capable. It looks to me that he rushing a bit and playing a bit too fast at times in the half-court. I also think Lopez should get more touches when he's on the floor. Keep attacking the paint, they have one big.
Giannis is fine. Stop worrying about the small stuff.
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The refs have always played loose with the overly technical stuff that doesn't actually impact the game. I wish they'd do the same in college.
I wonder why they don't officiate all the games like they do in the playoffs? I think fans would rather see them allow contact.
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I wonder why they don't officiate all the games like they do in the playoffs? I think fans would rather see them allow contact.
Part of the excitement of all sports is the subjective nature of the application of the rules.
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https://www.sportsnet.ca/nba/article/referee-admits-foul-suns-booker-bucks-holiday-missed/
Crew chief claims he didn't see a foul on Booker in real time. Watching the replay he says it was a foul
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Has anyone else noticed that Giannis (at least 4 times) has gotten away with not being out of bounds when he throws the ball in play after a Suns bucket? Maybe this is common with many players during a game, but like the 10 sec FT thing he needs to be aware.
It's time for Holiday to find his shot. He's certainly capable. It looks to me that he rushing a bit and playing a bit too fast at times in the half-court. I also think Lopez should get more touches when he's on the floor. Keep attacking the paint, they have one big.
He also travels 100% of the times he begins taking the ball up court after securing a rebound. Secure, step, step, dribble. Nobody cares about that either. It's part of the NBA's whole rules are selectively enforced thing and I'm sure he'd stop doing it if it ever were enforced.
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https://www.sportsnet.ca/nba/article/referee-admits-foul-suns-booker-bucks-holiday-missed/
Crew chief claims he didn't see a foul on Booker in real time. Watching the replay he says it was a foul
There was another pretty clear foul later on him too in my opinion. I wonder if Middleton missed the layup if it would have been called.
CP3 has been pretty brutal the last few games. I wonder if Jrue is wearing him down or he will bounce back at home. I’m also worried the role players may get it going at home.
I think the Bucks have a ton more confidence than they did going into Game 1. Definitely more than Game 2 in my opinion.
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amazing bucks win! shooting 40%/24%(from 3) to phoenix 51%/30%. 1st quarter bucks shooting dismal 29% but were only down by 4 was very telling. we take better advantage of phoenix to's my blood pressure would be better.
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There was another pretty clear foul later on him too in my opinion. I wonder if Middleton missed the layup if it would have been called.
CP3 has been pretty brutal the last few games. I wonder if Jrue is wearing him down or he will bounce back at home. I’m also worried the role players may get it going at home.
I think the Bucks have a ton more confidence than they did going into Game 1. Definitely more than Game 2 in my opinion.
The Bucks are doing a good job picking up CP3 full-court. But they won last night shooting 40%, that's not gonna get it done in Phoenix. Both teams look a bit gassed.. It may come down to the Paul/Holiday match-up.
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Phoenix had to feel a lot like the Bucks did after Game 2. Did a lot of things right, got a tremendous performance from their star, and still lost. Except this time the Suns could have had one hand on the trophy had they seen it out up 9.
That's a really tough building to win in. I'll be surprised if the Bucks have enough juice to do it. They looked like the tank was empty after the game.
One thing to watch... Lopez has played 23 minutes to Ayton's 38 per game. I wonder if that's the ace up Bud's sleeve, using a much fresher Brook to wear them down like he did against BKN and ATL.
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Look the price you pay when you rest players and sacrifice a couple regular season games is knowing you will have to win on the road in the playoffs. They did it against the Nets. They can do it against the Suns. The motivation of playing for a championship at home should be a driver.
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No conspiracy. Bad call.
I agree. Very bad call.
That said, how the hell does Booker commit that foul when he's already got five. As a rule, it's best to avoid hugging an opponent as he's going for a layup when you're on the verge of fouling out.
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Funniest line from the interwebs:
Devin Booker is the first person in NBA Finals history to record 40 points and 7 fouls.
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That's a really tough building to win in. I'll be surprised if the Bucks have enough juice to do it. They looked like the tank was empty after the game.
One thing to consider...Phoenix won game 1 with the Bucks on much shorter rest & won game 2 on a short (one day off) turnaround. The last two games, Milwaukee had more time off between games and won both, and have the same extra time between games 4/5 & 5/6.
I also think what Sultan said is key. Bud took some flack for both resting guys and experimenting with defenses this year. Clearly the record wasn't what it was the past two seasons, but no matter what happens from here the end result is better. They have to win on the road, but they got wins in Miami, Brooklyn, and Atlanta. No reason to think they can't do it again.
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Chris Paul- 5 turnovers
Milwaukee Bucks- 5 turnovers.
Giannis- 5 ORB
Phoenix Suns- 5ORB
As a result, the Bucks took 19 more shots and 10 more free throws.
That is how you survive when your PG goes 4-20 from the field
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One thing to consider...Phoenix won game 1 with the Bucks on much shorter rest & won game 2 on a short (one day off) turnaround. The last two games, Milwaukee had more time off between games and won both, and have the same extra time between games 4/5 & 5/6.
I also think what Sultan said is key. Bud took some flack for both resting guys and experimenting with defenses this year. Clearly the record wasn't what it was the past two seasons, but no matter what happens from here the end result is better. They have to win on the road, but they got wins in Miami, Brooklyn, and Atlanta. No reason to think they can't do it again.
Shorter turn around AND the Bucks had to travel.
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Shorter turn around AND the Bucks had to travel.
Plus, not knowing if Giannis is going to play probably made preparation difficult.
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Shorter turn around AND the Bucks had to travel.
I didn’t understand why they came home after game 6 in Atlanta. I know people who went to the “welcome back” from Atlanta at the airport, where the team landed at 2 AM and then probably took an hour to get home since they had to drive through a crowd of people. Then I know others who went to the “send off” to Phoenix at 5 PM that same day. Why would they not have just flown Atlanta to Phoenix?
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Likely had ta use up sum Kohl's Cash four fresh tidy whities, aina?
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I also think what Sultan said is key. Bud took some flack for both resting guys and experimenting with defenses this year. Clearly the record wasn't what it was the past two seasons, but no matter what happens from here the end result is better. They have to win on the road, but they got wins in Miami, Brooklyn, and Atlanta. No reason to think they can't do it again.
No doubt they are capable. Every time I've doubted them they've given me the finger and proved me wrong. Gotta stick with what works. ;D
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Seeing it in slo-mo, I'm not 100% positive Ayton gets this one down - he only had it by the fingertips, not sure how much control he actually had - but WOW what a play by Giannis.
https://twitter.com/BillyHeyen/status/1415519196541243392?s=20
Also, slightly casual from Book there. I know Ayton is 7 feet but he made the big man reach for that one. Should have been an easier catch closer to the rim.
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This won't be a popular opinion...but I absolutely hate the way Jae Crowder plays. I know part of it is due to the way the NBA is officiated but man I've never seen a 6-6 235lb man end up on the ground as often and easily as he does. That combined with his whining and trash talking makes me just view him as a punk instead of the tough gritty player he was at MU.
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You now sound like a fan of other Big East teams while he Jae was at MU. Andre Drummond and Huggy wonder what took you so long.
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This won't be a popular opinion...but I absolutely hate the way Jae Crowder plays. I know part of it is due to the way the NBA is officiated but man I've never seen a 6-6 235lb man end up on the ground as often and easily as he does. That combined with his whining and trash talking makes me just view him as a punk instead of the tough gritty player he was at MU.
He's learned how to flop with the best of them no doubt. But he trash talked at MU just as much as he does now. (Throat slash anyone?)
He's still a tough and gritty player - just not on the team you are rooting for.
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This won't be a popular opinion...but I absolutely hate the way Jae Crowder plays. I know part of it is due to the way the NBA is officiated but man I've never seen a 6-6 235lb man end up on the ground as often and easily as he does. That combined with his whining and trash talking makes me just view him as a punk instead of the tough gritty player he was at MU.
At least you didn't call him a thug.
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Love Jae. Always will.
Hope he goes 0 for the rest of the series.
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Chris Paul- 5 turnovers
Milwaukee Bucks- 5 turnovers.
Giannis- 5 ORB
Phoenix Suns- 5ORB
As a result, the Bucks took 19 more shots and 10 more free throws.
That is how you survive when your PG goes 4-20 from the field
Excellent stats, excellent point.
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Bradley Beal out of the Olympics due to COVID. Grant in protocols.
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I guess it hasn’t come out if Beal is vaccinated or not. If not, I can’t understand how someone would travel to Japan for the Olympics and not be vaccinated.
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I guess it hasn’t come out if Beal is vaccinated or not. If not, I can’t understand how someone would travel to Japan for the Olympics and not be vaccinated.
He'd be in good company.
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This won't be a popular opinion...but I absolutely hate the way Jae Crowder plays. I know part of it is due to the way the NBA is officiated but man I've never seen a 6-6 235lb man end up on the ground as often and easily as he does. That combined with his whining and trash talking makes me just view him as a punk instead of the tough gritty player he was at MU.
Crowder in the NBA is like a Dennis Rodman type. Does the little things, tons to help you win, but opponents will hate his tactics. He really oversells fouls and does the annoying dirty work.
It's different than at Marquette in that he's no longer among the most talented players on the court, but what hasn't changed, and what made him a great college player and made me completely confident he'd be a good NBA player is that he's willing to do whatever it takes to win.
That sounds like hyperbole, but whether it's being first to the floor for a loose ball, selling a foul, or just outworking everyone to a rebound, he's relentless. That's why he's always a fan favorite for his team, but will be anathema to opponents.
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I guess it hasn’t come out if Beal is vaccinated or not. If not, I can’t understand how someone would travel to Japan for the Olympics and not be vaccinated.
Multiple of the Yankees who tested positive were vaccinated, so people probably shouldn’t be quick to assume he wasn’t
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Multiple of the Yankees who tested positive were vaccinated, so people probably shouldn’t be quick to assume he wasn’t
Vaccinated people shouldn’t be tested unless symptomatic.
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This won't be a popular opinion...but I absolutely hate the way Jae Crowder plays. I know part of it is due to the way the NBA is officiated but man I've never seen a 6-6 235lb man end up on the ground as often and easily as he does. That combined with his whining and trash talking makes me just view him as a punk instead of the tough gritty player he was at MU.
He shoulda been a soccer player the way he flops. On defense, he whines over every foul.
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Crowder in the NBA is like a Dennis Rodman type. Does the little things, tons to help you win, but opponents will hate his tactics. He really oversells fouls and does the annoying dirty work.
It's different than at Marquette in that he's no longer among the most talented players on the court, but what hasn't changed, and what made him a great college player and made me completely confident he'd be a good NBA player is that he's willing to do whatever it takes to win.
That sounds like hyperbole, but whether it's being first to the floor for a loose ball, selling a foul, or just outworking everyone to a rebound, he's relentless. That's why he's always a fan favorite for his team, but will be anathema to opponents.
His flopping can be so over the top. It isn't just him, there are obviously plenty of players in the NBA who do it, but it just seems so fraudulent for a guy like him who carries himself as a tough guy, grinded through juco, was on the boot-camp Buzz teams, worked his way up from end of the bench player etc to now play like that.
Your perception of him doing whatever it takes to win though is an interesting viewpoint I hadn't really looked at it as but it's a fair one...if the refs are going to call it you might as well do it.
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Crowder in the NBA is like a Dennis Rodman type. Does the little things, tons to help you win, but opponents will hate his tactics. He really oversells fouls and does the annoying dirty work.
It's different than at Marquette in that he's no longer among the most talented players on the court, but what hasn't changed, and what made him a great college player and made me completely confident he'd be a good NBA player is that he's willing to do whatever it takes to win.
That sounds like hyperbole, but whether it's being first to the floor for a loose ball, selling a foul, or just outworking everyone to a rebound, he's relentless. That's why he's always a fan favorite for his team, but will be anathema to opponents.
Love Jae.
I can see why Miami wanted to keep him, and why the Suns went out and got him. He's the kind of player every winning team needs.
Saturday night, he might get hot from 3 and score 24 points ... and help the Suns win. Or he might score 3 points all night, dive on the floor a bunch of times, commit hard fouls, draw a few fouls, battle for rebounds, make Giannis work, flop a couple times to drive some people nuts ... and help the Suns win.
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His flopping can be so over the top. It isn't just him, there are obviously plenty of players in the NBA who do it, but it just seems so fraudulent for a guy like him who carries himself as a tough guy, grinded through juco, was on the boot-camp Buzz teams, worked his way up from end of the bench player etc to now play like that.
Your perception of him doing whatever it takes to win though is an interesting viewpoint I hadn't really looked at it as but it's a fair one...if the refs are going to call it you might as well do it.
Fraudulent? LMAO. He still plays tough, doesn’t back down, does anything to help his team win. If the refs stopped calling the flops, he wouldn’t do it anymore. Imagine calling an undersized forward who has clawed out a starting spot on 2 different finals teams “fraudulent” cause of some twisted sense of what tough supposedly is to you. I’d love you to tell Jae he’s fraudulent to his face or that you think he’s soft cause he sells some fouls like 90% of the league.
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He shoulda been a soccer player the way he flops. On defense, he whines over every foul.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/0RRJRUpHZ8o/maxresdefault.jpg)
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This won't be a popular opinion...but I absolutely hate the way Jae Crowder plays. I know part of it is due to the way the NBA is officiated but man I've never seen a 6-6 235lb man end up on the ground as often and easily as he does. That combined with his whining and trash talking makes me just view him as a punk instead of the tough gritty player he was at MU.
Crowder is a very good, if limited, player. Hard nosed, more than capable of holding his own in most match ups.
That's what last night was so irritating as a Bucks fan and a Jae fan. There are a lot of match ups that are not good for him in this series. That he's resorting to these antics is him telling on himself.
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I thought Jae was noticeably more obnoxious this past game which I think goes against the role he wants to play. I also think Booker has been more obnoxious though and I’ve lost a bit of respect for him after really only seeing highlights.
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Crowder is a very good, if limited, player. Hard nosed, more than capable of holding his own in most match ups.
That's what last night was so irritating as a Bucks fan and a Jae fan. There are a lot of match ups that are not good for him in this series. That he's resorting to these antics is him telling on himself.
Jae “resorts” to what the rules allow and to how the refs call it.
He’s a winner, he’s not dirty, he doesn’t cheat, he plays hard, his teammates and coaches love him.
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Jae “resorts” to what the rules allow and to how the refs call it.
He’s a winner, he’s not dirty, he doesn’t cheat, he plays hard, his teammates and coaches love him.
Isn’t flopping cheating?
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Jae “resorts” to what the rules allow and to how the refs call it.
He’s a winner, he’s not dirty, he doesn’t cheat, he plays hard, his teammates and coaches love him.
Well said.
Isn’t flopping cheating?
No. Kicking your leg out on a jumper to draw contact is, that’s why it’s now an offensive foul.
Flopping or embellishing contact is no different than almost every guard throwing their head back when they get bumped to draw ref attention. It’s the way the NBA has decided to officiate games.
Youd swear he was Brad Davidson punching groins or jumping out in front of drivers to draw weak charges the way people are talking about him. Every single Bucks fan here would be THRILLED if he was getting the minutes for them instead of Tucker or Patty C. Talking like he’s some journeyman bum who resorts to cheap antics cause he’s lacking in ability when I’m reality he signed a $10MM a year for a contender.
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He’s not even a top 2 flopper in his own team’s starting lineup. Or whiner.
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Isn’t flopping cheating?
Is intentionally fouling someone to keep them from getting an easy layup cheating? Or is it part of the game?
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Fraudulent? LMAO. He still plays tough, doesn’t back down, does anything to help his team win. If the refs stopped calling the flops, he wouldn’t do it anymore. Imagine calling an undersized forward who has clawed out a starting spot on 2 different finals teams “fraudulent” cause of some twisted sense of what tough supposedly is to you. I’d love you to tell Jae he’s fraudulent to his face or that you think he’s soft cause he sells some fouls like 90% of the league.
Easy there buddy, if you take a second to read the post before immediately becoming a keyboard warrior you would see that I clearly state the guy will do whatever it takes for his team to win. I think I’m criticizing the way the NBA is officiated more than the player and am stating that I dislike seeing the flopping from a guy like him with his background, which again I mentioned already, but you probably didn’t see with your fingers moving so fast as soon as you saw the word fraudulent.
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Easy there buddy, if you take a second to read the post before immediately becoming a keyboard warrior you would see that I clearly state the guy will do whatever it takes for his team to win. I think I’m criticizing the way the NBA is officiated more than the player and am stating that I dislike seeing the flopping from a guy like him with his background, which again I mentioned already, but you probably didn’t see with your fingers moving so fast as soon as you saw the word fraudulent.
::) ::) ::) You called him a "punk."
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Crowder is a very good, if limited, player. Hard nosed, more than capable of holding his own in most match ups.
That's what last night was so irritating as a Bucks fan and a Jae fan. There are a lot of match ups that are not good for him in this series. That he's resorting to these antics is him telling on himself.
Jae's "antics" only annoy you because you're rooting for the other team.
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Easy there buddy, if you take a second to read the post before immediately becoming a keyboard warrior you would see that I clearly state the guy will do whatever it takes for his team to win. I think I’m criticizing the way the NBA is officiated more than the player and am stating that I dislike seeing the flopping from a guy like him with his background, which again I mentioned already, but you probably didn’t see with your fingers moving so fast as soon as you saw the word fraudulent.
As FBM said, you already said you viewed him as a "punk". And if you were sincere about his background and grinding himself up from the end of the bench being admirable or whatnot, then doing whatever it takes to make his mark or help his team win, with how the game is being played or called, should be respected and not viewed as some black mark. He's hardly the only player that does it and thinking he should "be above it" because of some point of pride in your opinion is beyond silly. I'm sure it would be better if he was playing in Asia and no longer in the league cause he stuck to his gritty tough roots and didn't conform.
And its cute to call me a keyboard warrior cause I don't agree with your nonsense. This is just like the people who complain about Jimmy Butler and say he's not humble anymore cause he's not the same 20 year old underdog kid at Marquette.
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As FBM said, you already said you viewed him as a "punk". And if you were sincere about his background and grinding himself up from the end of the bench being admirable or whatnot, then doing whatever it takes to make his mark or help his team win, with how the game is being played or called, should be respected and not viewed as some black mark. He's hardly the only player that does it and thinking he should "be above it" because of some point of pride in your opinion is beyond silly. I'm sure it would be better if he was playing in Asia and no longer in the league cause he stuck to his gritty tough roots and didn't conform.
And its cute to call me a keyboard warrior cause I don't agree with your nonsense. This is just like the people who complain about Jimmy Butler and say he's not humble anymore cause he's not the same 20 year old underdog kid at Marquette.
Jimmy's become such a punk!
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And its cute to call me a keyboard warrior cause I don't agree with your nonsense. This is just like the people who complain about Jimmy Butler and say he's not humble anymore cause he's not the same 20 year old underdog kid at Marquette.
I don't care about JFB being humble or not. I admit that I haven't been a fan of him as a pro. He's been better the past few years but the tripping instances with Plumlee and Crowder bother me.
Crowder is f*cking awesome
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As FBM said, you already said you viewed him as a "punk". And if you were sincere about his background and grinding himself up from the end of the bench being admirable or whatnot, then doing whatever it takes to make his mark or help his team win, with how the game is being played or called, should be respected and not viewed as some black mark. He's hardly the only player that does it and thinking he should "be above it" because of some point of pride in your opinion is beyond silly. I'm sure it would be better if he was playing in Asia and no longer in the league cause he stuck to his gritty tough roots and didn't conform.
And its cute to call me a keyboard warrior cause I don't agree with your nonsense. This is just like the people who complain about Jimmy Butler and say he's not humble anymore cause he's not the same 20 year old underdog kid at Marquette.
Take off the blue and gold glasses man. Just because a guy played for Marquette doesn’t mean you have to love them the rest of their career. I respect what he did at Marquette and how he has worked to get to this stage, and I also dislike the way he now plays.
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Take off the blue and gold glasses man. Just because a guy played for Marquette doesn’t mean you have to love them the rest of their career. I respect what he did at Marquette and how he has worked to get to this stage, and I also dislike the way he now plays.
I would love to have Jae on the Bucks - "antics" and all.
I mean, PJ Tucker apparently has never committed a foul in his life based on his reaction every time he is called for one. (Only to have replay show it was clearly a foul.)
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Take off the blue and gold glasses man. Just because a guy played for Marquette doesn’t mean you have to love them the rest of their career. I respect what he did at Marquette and how he has worked to get to this stage, and I also dislike the way he now plays.
Thats fine, but I would wager its largely because he's facing off against a team you like more. It has nothing to do with blue and gold glasses for me. I just have no issue with how he plays. I also don't have an issue with Booker while people are complaining that he's soft and begging for fouls/flopping. And I'm a rabid Bucks fan.
Also, disliking how he plays is very different than calling him a punk or that his play is "fraudulent", FWIW.
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I would love to have Jae on the Bucks - "antics" and all.
I mean, PJ Tucker apparently has never committed a foul in his life based on his reaction every time he is called for one. (Only to have replay show it was clearly a foul.)
Seriously, what a meatball Bucks homer take on Jae. Truly bizarre
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Seriously, what a meatball Bucks homer take on Jae. Truly bizarre
The real meatball takes are responses saying “I would love for you to tell Jae to his face.”
I acknowledged multiple times plenty of players do it. I also never defended, or even brought up PJ Tucker, my comments were solely focused on Jae considering this is a Marquette board. Figured it wouldn’t be a popular take but still underestimated how many here Marquette has on their knees.
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The real meatball takes are responses saying “I would love for you to tell Jae to his face.”
I acknowledged multiple times plenty of players do it. I also never defended, or even brought up PJ Tucker, my comments were solely focused on Jae considering this is a Marquette board. Figured it wouldn’t be a popular take but still underestimated how many here Marquette has on their knees.
Uh...no.
Our point is that Jae is doing it because it works. And we aren't being critical of him, not because he is a Marquette alum, but because that's just how it is in the NBA.
But go ahead....keep calling him a "punk" when players on your team do the same thing.
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Flopping IS, in fact, cheating. Unfortunate some are not up-to-date on official NBA rules. An excerpt from the NBA's website:
In an effort to curb the unsportsmanlike practice known as “flopping,” the NBA implemented an anti-flopping rule starting in the 2012-13 season.
A “flop” is an attempt to either fool referees into calling undeserved fouls or fool fans into thinking the referees missed a foul call by exaggerating the effect of contact with an opposing player.
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I've made the executive decision on behalf of all MU fans. We no longer claim Jae Crowder as a Warrior. His antics and anti-basketball activity during this series have defiled his badge. You're welcome.
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Flopping IS, in fact, cheating. Unfortunate some are not up-to-date on official NBA rules. An excerpt from the NBA's website:
In an effort to curb the unsportsmanlike practice known as “flopping,” the NBA implemented an anti-flopping rule starting in the 2012-13 season.
A “flop” is an attempt to either fool referees into calling undeserved fouls or fool fans into thinking the referees missed a foul call by exaggerating the effect of contact with an opposing player.
Is intentionally fouling to stop the clock or to prevent an easy layup cheating? Or is it just part of the game? Because if committing a rule violation is cheating, than every team cheats 50+ times a game.
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Is intentionally fouling to stop the clock or to prevent an easy layup cheating? Or is it just part of the game? Because if committing a rule violation is cheating, than every team cheats 50+ times a game.
Committing an uncalled rule violation which directly helps you win is cheating. Which I suppose purports a level of responsibility on the referees to manage it. Worse yet is when it's a player's entire MO. Crowder, Harden, Booker, CP3, even Tucker. These players are foul merchants that seek to bend the rules to their advantage any way possible.
If someone shoots a free throw from 10 feet instead of 15 feet and the referees don't call it, I'd say that person cheated...
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Committing an uncalled rule violation is cheating. Which I suppose purports a level of responsibility on the referees to manage it.
If someone shoots a free throw from 10 feet instead of 15 feet and the referees don't call it, I'd say that person cheated...
Benefitting from rules violations that aren't called isn't cheating.
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Benefitting from rules violations that aren't called isn't cheating.
I think intent comes into play. Crowder intends to fool the referees into not calling him on his BS. And he succeeds. That's cheating. His entire intent is to break the rules without being called.
Fouling someone on a layup and the referees missing the call isn't exactly in the same arena as Crowder's tactics.
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Committing an uncalled rule violation which directly helps you win is cheating. Which I suppose purports a level of responsibility on the referees to manage it. Worse yet is when it's a player's entire MO. Crowder, Harden, Booker, CP3, even Tucker. These players are foul merchants that seek to bend the rules to their advantage any way possible.
If someone shoots a free throw from 10 feet instead of 15 feet and the referees don't call it, I'd say that person cheated...
Worst scoop take ever (and that includes the politics stuff). An uncalled travel is cheating? Giannis still having a foot inbounds when inbounding the ball is cheating? 3 second violation is cheating?
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Worst scoop take ever (and that includes the politics stuff). An uncalled travel is cheating? Giannis still having a foot inbounds when inbounding the ball is cheating? 3 second violation is cheating?
I'd say you have to add two caveats and I still stand by that:
1. The player PURPOSELY and KNOWLINGLY broke the rules
2. It was the players sole intent to fool the referees into making a poor call / non-call
If those 2 caveats hold true and the rule violation is uncalled, I would 100% call that cheating. And that's what Crowder tries to do.
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I'd say you have to add two caveats and I still stand by that:
1. The player PURPOSELY and KNOWLINGLY broke the rules
2. It was the players sole intent to fool the referees into making a poor call / non-call
If those 2 caveats hold true and the rule violation is uncalled, I would 100% call that cheating. And that's what Crowder tries to do.
I think that is ridiculous.
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Ahhhhhh.....
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James Harden, NBA MVP and multiple time league scoring leader who has also averaged double digit assists per game multiple seasons and has averaged 31/7/9 the last 5 years...entire MO is cheating and begging the refs to call it. Just a foul merchant.
Chris Paul...probably the best pure PG of the last decade, consensus first ballot HOF...just a foul merchant rule bender, nothing more, just his MO.
Devin Booker, averaged over 25 pts a game the last 3 years, takes 20+ shots a game, yet has never averaged more than 7.3 FTs per game in his career...simply a foul merchant who couldn't score otherwise.
Shameless cheaters, the lot of them, not a decent player in the mix
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James Harden, NBA MVP and multiple time league scoring leader who has also averaged double digit assists per game multiple seasons and has averaged 31/7/9 the last 5 years...entire MO is cheating and begging the refs to call it. Just a foul merchant.
Chris Paul...probably the best pure PG of the last decade, consensus first ballot HOF...just a foul merchant rule bender, nothing more, just his MO.
Devin Booker, averaged over 25 pts a game the last 3 years, takes 20+ shots a game, yet has never averaged more than 7.3 FTs per game in his career...simply a foul merchant who couldn't score otherwise.
Shameless cheaters, the lot of them, not a decent player in the mix
Correct
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James Harden, NBA MVP and multiple time league scoring leader who has also averaged double digit assists per game multiple seasons and has averaged 31/7/9 the last 5 years...entire MO is cheating and begging the refs to call it. Just a foul merchant.
Chris Paul...probably the best pure PG of the last decade, consensus first ballot HOF...just a foul merchant rule bender, nothing more, just his MO.
Devin Booker, averaged over 25 pts a game the last 3 years, takes 20+ shots a game, yet has never averaged more than 7.3 FTs per game in his career...simply a foul merchant who couldn't score otherwise.
Shameless cheaters, the lot of them, not a decent player in the mix
Yea. I think there’s a difference between whether these guys are cheating or if it’s good for the game. Clearly not cheaters, but I don’t think their style is good for basketball.
It’s not like the NBA is firing refs who don’t enforce flopping rules, travels, or lane violations. So until it’s being enforced, you can’t blame the players for taking advantage.
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Fouling is against the rules. So is traveling. So is carrying the ball. So are moving screens.
Lots of cheaters in basketball, all the way from the NBA down to bitty ball.
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Don't forget traveling. I would like to ban every NBA player who knowingly travels or Euro-steps.
Oh. Wait.....
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Don't forget traveling. I would like to ban every NBA player who knowingly travels or Euro-steps.
Oh. Wait.....
Giannis doesn't travel, boomer. Gather step + 1 + 2.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBabRHw3Lko
Good thing he went straight to the ref and told him he committed an uncalled violation that directly helped his team win.
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Committing an uncalled rule violation which directly helps you win is cheating. Which I suppose purports a level of responsibility on the referees to manage it. Worse yet is when it's a player's entire MO. Crowder, Harden, Booker, CP3, even Tucker. These players are foul merchants that seek to bend the rules to their advantage any way possible.
If someone shoots a free throw from 10 feet instead of 15 feet and the referees don't call it, I'd say that person cheated...
So it's only cheating if they don't get caught?
So if Ayton hacks Giannis intentionally to keep Giannis from dunking the ball and the refs call it, it is not cheating. But if Ayton hacks Giannis intentionally to keep Giannis from dunking the ball and the refs don't call it, Ayton cheated?
Or is flopping a special rule violation?
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Even by scoop standards this is a weird argument.
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So it's only cheating if they don't get caught?
So if Ayton hacks Giannis intentionally to keep Giannis from dunking the ball and the refs call it, it is not cheating. But if Ayton hacks Giannis intentionally to keep Giannis from dunking the ball and the refs don't call it, Ayton cheated?
Or is flopping a special rule violation?
Flopping kind of is, in and of itself, a special rule violation because there is an inherent attempt to deceive that isn't really a given in any other rule violation.
If Ayton hacked Giannis intentionally and, presumably, expected to be punished for it (Giannis gets a chance at the FTs and Ayton picks up a foul), that's not cheating.
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Yea. I think there’s a difference between whether these guys are cheating or if it’s good for the game. Clearly not cheaters, but I don’t think their style is good for basketball.
That’s completely fair. Listen, if the NBA switched to FIBA rules tomorrow. Officiated as such, outlawed flopping and made it an automatic T via video review, etc…those players listed above would adapt incredibly quickly and still be otherworldly. Acting like the opposite is true is just petty stupidity.
Listen, I think some of Harden’s game is obnoxious, but there have been plenty of players who have spoken how difficult it is to do it well, and evidence of how he refines the nuances of his game to take advantage of everything in the rules he can. The fact that people vilify players and act like it’s the only reason they are successful is asinine
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If Ayton hacked Giannis intentionally and, presumably, expected to be punished for it (Giannis gets a chance at the FTs and Ayton picks up a foul), that's not cheating.
Have you ever seen an NBA player expect a foul to be called on them? They all act like it's a complete surprise
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That’s completely fair. Listen, if the NBA switched to FIBA rules tomorrow. Officiated as such, outlawed flopping and made it an automatic T via video review, etc…those players listed above would adapt incredibly quickly and still be otherworldly. Acting like the opposite is true is just petty stupidity.
Listen, I think some of Harden’s game is obnoxious, but there have been plenty of players who have spoken how difficult it is to do it well, and evidence of how he refines the nuances of his game to take advantage of everything in the rules he can. The fact that people vilify players and act like it’s the only reason they are successful is asinine
Agreed. Especially in an era when efficiency is king, those guys are such good free throw shooters it’s an almost automatic 2 points. Plus they sometimes make the shot. These guys don’t need to do it, but since they get the calls, it’s an efficient play.
It does seem like they are making a point to call more of these on the ground. It seemed against the Nets and with Trae, they were more liberal with act of shooting.
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Obviously, Hack-a-Shaq back in the day, and Hack-a-Simmons or Hack-a-Whoever-Sucks-At-FTs is "cheating," too.
Oh, and watch an entire NBA game and count the moving screens. There literally are dozens of them every single game. Some guys reach out and actually grab the guy they are screening. But the refs don't enforce the rules, so it's "cheating."
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Oh, and watch an entire NBA game and count the moving screens. There literally are dozens of them every single game. Some guys reach out and actually grab the guy they are screening.
The difference between how they call illegal screens in NCAA and NBA couldn’t be a more stark contrast. NBA lets guys absolutely light up the defender. NCAA barely allows a proper screen to be set. They’re both ridiculous, college game drives me more nuts though.
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WTH is going on with USA Basketball right now? Keldon Johnson and Javale McGee added. No Trae, no Ja, Zion, Julius, De’Aaron etc, etc, etc??
Popovich has lost his mind. And please, spare me he’s getting guys who fit his system, his style, whatever. Supreme talent wins in the end. Johnson and especially McGee shouldn’t be near this team.
This just has disaster written all over it.
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Maybe those guys didn't want to go through the hassle that this year's Olympics is going to be.
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Available, vaccinated, and not nursing injuries?
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Available, vaccinated, and not nursing injuries?
Especially with a short offseason for some last year.
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And an Olympics that provide none of the "fun stuff" players get to do when they aren't playing. They just get to sit in their hotel rooms.
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And an Olympics that provide none of the "fun stuff" players get to do when they aren't playing. They just get to sit in their hotel rooms.
There will be a lot of bold proclamations about the results in these Olympics without any context. I’m already seeing those that follow the international game proclaiming the world has closed the gap on Team USA and while that’s probably true to a certain extent, if we send our best, Team USA rolls.
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All assumptions. Trae Young clearly wanted to play based on his tweet late Thursday. So there’s one great player to fill one of the two open spots who’s unquestionably better than who got picked.
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All assumptions. Trae Young clearly wanted to play based on his tweet late Thursday. So there’s one great player to fill one of the two open spots who’s unquestionably better than who got picked.
You state something as a fact. We provide reasonable explanations. You write them off.
Very typical.
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There will be a lot of bold proclamations about the results in these Olympics without any context. I’m already seeing those that follow the international game proclaiming the world has closed the gap on Team USA and while that’s probably true to a certain extent, if we send our best, Team USA rolls.
Of course. I mean I really don’t care about this stuff anyway, but it is clear that the US generates the best basketball talent. One Olympics doesn’t change that.
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You state something as a fact. We provide reasonable explanations. You write them off.
Very typical.
You provide ASSumptions and then argue to be arguing. Very typical.
You’re going with Trae would have said no to an invite? His tweet left gray area how he feels? Hardly.
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Suggestions for answers to a rhetorical question. The horrors.
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You provide ASSumptions and then argue to be arguing. Very typical.
You’re going with Trae would have said no to an invite? His tweet left gray area how he feels? Hardly.
Dude you’re the one who said Pop was going for system guys and throwing him under the bus based on assumptions. And then using a Tweet as evidence.
So spare me the outrage over the quality of your argument.
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Dude you’re the one who said Pop was going for system guys and throwing him under the bus based on assumptions. And then using a Tweet as evidence.
So spare me the outrage over the quality of your argument.
And you call out others for being intellectually dishonest. Look in the mirror. You want to debate about my Pop statement, don’t quote something totally separate as citation of my facts being wrong. And all the responses until now were about why other guys weren’t selected based on reasons unrelated to the coach. Now it’s about my Pop statement. So move goalposts freely as you wish.
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And you call out others for being intellectually dishonest. Look in the mirror. You want to debate about my Pop statement, don’t quote something totally separate as citation of my facts being wrong. And all the responses until now were about why other guys weren’t selected based on reasons unrelated to the coach. Now it’s about my Pop statement. So move goalposts freely as you wish.
I was debating your whole post because you made the accusation (without facts) that Pop was choosing his system guys over talent. Sorry your mind only revolves around simple concepts and can’t figure out YOU brought it up in the first place!
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I was debating your whole post because you made the accusation (without facts) that Pop was choosing his system guys over talent. Sorry your mind only revolves around simple concepts and can’t figure out YOU brought it up in the first place!
You were debating my whole post? Who knew until these last two?
I stated Pop has lost his mind picking these two. My next comment was anticipation of others explaining this as Pop choosing system guys, which has been stated before.
You are so insufferable.
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WTH is going on with USA Basketball right now? Keldon Johnson and Javale McGee added. No Trae, no Ja, Zion, Julius, De’Aaron etc, etc, etc??
Popovich has lost his mind. And please, spare me he’s getting guys who fit his system, his style, whatever. Supreme talent wins in the end. Johnson and especially McGee shouldn’t be near this team.
This just has disaster written all over it.
I'm with you....bizarre additions.
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You were debating my whole post? Who knew until these last two?
I stated Pop has lost his mind picking these two. My next comment was anticipation of others explaining this as Pop choosing system guys, which has been stated before.
You are so insufferable.
IOW, I shifted no goalposts. Thanks for the confirmation.
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The guys that were added have size. If Middleton, Booker, and Holiday don’t play, I could see Trae being a natural replacement. I’m not sure a short scorer is what they need based on the current roster.
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The guys that were added have size. If Middleton, Booker, and Holiday don’t play, I could see Trae being a natural replacement. I’m not sure a short scorer is what they need based on the current roster.
Bingo. Even with Beal being out, the team is heavy on shooters and guards, Young would have just been more of a logjam.
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Bingo. Even with Beal being out, the team is heavy on shooters and guards, Young would have just been more of a logjam.
How much can be expected of Holiday, Middleton, and Booker after a long playoffs, then immediate turnaround to halfway around the world to assimilate themselves to this team? I really question that. And Holiday’s strength is not shooting the ball.
Can never have enough shooters and playmakers in international play.
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How much can be expected of Holiday, Middleton, and Booker after a long playoffs, then immediate turnaround to halfway around the world to assimilate themselves to this team? I really question that. And Holiday’s strength is not shooting the ball.
Can never have enough shooters and playmakers in international play.
Holiday is there for perimeter defense and as the only true PG on the roster.
Durant, Lillard, Tatum, and Lavine all basically shot 40% from 3 the last 2 years. Even if Booker, Holiday, and Middleton only play 8 min each, (which is unlikely), you have 4 very good shooters to eat up an average of 24 min each across the PG, SG, and SF spots. And thats not including any Keldon Johnson minutes.
If you play KD and Lillard and Tatum 25 min, you only need 45 min from Booker, Middleton, Holiday, and Lavine. This team is totally fine with playmakers and shooters from the PG/SG/SF position. Especially when those big minute guys are the best scorer (probably player) on the planet in KD, a back to back to back 2nd team All NBA guy in Dame who is basically made for scoring big in international play with how most teams go under screens, and the most underrated star in the league in Tatum.
If everyone was perfectly rested and recovered and at their peaks, I don't think Booker, Middleton, and Holiday would likely be starting anyways. Maybe Holiday with Dame at the 2.
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https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31833949/thanasis-antetokounmpo-enters-nba-covid-19-protocol-miss-game-5-milwaukee-bucks
Antetokounmpo in COVID protocols.
The other one.
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lol dont care what this board says fck crowder
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Jae is on pace for a 70 pt performance.
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No defense at all right now for Milwaukee. Especially the help D.
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Why does every Suns fan look like they’re part of some sort of elderly abuse scam?
An absolutely pitiful performance from the bucks.
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This Bucks team doesn't look ready to play at all. Dumbfounding frankly. Terrible g-tend call on Antetokounmpo.
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If Teague is on the floor in the 1st quarter, the game is over.
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If Teague is on the floor in the 1st quarter, the game is over.
Forbes time?
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Teague getting lots of minutes, Middleton disappearing, no defense, jrue missing bunnies, Giannis shooting a 3 and missing FTs. Ballgame is already over.
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Forbes time?
He can’t be worse.
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That was brutal. Switching everything on D for no apparent reason, rec league turns, poor shot selection, and not enough tenacity on both ends of the floor.
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Good little run to start the 2nd. The Bucks need to do a way better job with the high screen.
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Bucks strategy is to spot da Sons a lead, lull 'em inta a false sense of security, then fook 'em in da forth quarter, aina?
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Welcome back Jrue
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What a completely bogus call on Lopez.
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Great response from the Bucks but they still have these mental errors that can drive me up the wall.
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Phenomenal half from Holiday. The guy is doing everything and had two quick fouls.
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The Giannis FT counting has officially jumped the shark with that clown flashing $100 bills
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Why on earth would Tucker foul there?
Great response after a slow start but you can't do dumb things.
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Why on earth would Tucker foul there?
Great response after a slow start but you can't do dumb things.
To get the ball out of Bookers hands and they had one to give.
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That was one incredible quarter. Gotta close this out.
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Right after I complained about Teague being in the game, Bud took a chance bringing Jrue back in earlier than he wanted.
Great move. I thought risk/reward was worth taking the chance as the game was close to being over.
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To get the ball out of Bookers hands and they had one to give.
Not 70 feet from the rim when you have 2 fouls FBM.
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Not 70 feet from the rim when you have 2 found FBM.
You asked. I answered. Take it up with PJ.
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You asked. I answered. Take it up with PJ.
I would mention it ito him but in a nice way. :)
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Way too easy for Booker.
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Wow....what a play from Jrue.
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Just some incredible offensive performances going on right now.
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Looks like Kareem prediction of Bucks in 6 may come true……..
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Does Booker ever stop whining?
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Booker's just a punk. Guess dat's watt happens wen ur porkin' Kendall, hey?
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Looks like Kareem prediction of Bucks in 6 may come true……..
Can they maintain focus in the 4th Q?
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Where is the help D on Booker's downhill drives?
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Ughhh. Big swing with those two threes by Phoenix. Had a chance to secure a reb, messed that up, and then three bad shots on the offensive end. Attack and get Middleton the ball.
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Does Booker ever stop whining?
He truly is insufferable.
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Need a bucket out of this timeout. Bud usually draws up plays that get us a good look.
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Wait a min....can you challenge a foul call?
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Gotta take better shots. Ughh.
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That was a ridiculous :"screen" from Crowder.
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Man, they hit so many tough shots.
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Very upsetting. Hopefully the Bucks hold on. I don't understand how that foul when Middleton drove wasn't called before the Booker three.
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Bucks stopped trying to run any offense and made a drained Middleton trying to create his own shot. Suns meanwhile are running plays and got back into this game.
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Bucks stopped trying to run any offense and made a drained Middleton trying to create his own shot. Suns meanwhile are running plays and got back into this game.
Good point. Can't happen.
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Meanwhile refs still refuse to call any fouls on Booker under 3 minutes.
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SLAM
THE
DOOR
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The initial angle of the Jrue pass made it look like it was going in the 5th row. Could have ran some clock but getting points there was huge.
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Wow!!
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YES!!! Great win!!
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NBA reffing continues to baffle me.
Maybe it's because I only watch when we get to the finals?
I dunno
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Some unbelievable performances tonight. All 3 finally played well and needed it. 1 game to go
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Wow, what a comeback to get ahead, and what a way to hold on even though Giannis couldn't make a FT.
Bucks won the hustle battle most of the night, and definitely down the stretch.
And this game was why getting Holiday was huge. He's had plenty of shooting woes, but he came through tonight, and the guy can just plain ball.
Get er done Tuesday, gentlemen!
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Tough break
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This is why they made the trade.
One more to go.
Exit: missed you comment, Mike.
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What an amazing turn of events for Holiday when you consider Wed night. The guy was unbelievable in all facets of the game. Drop the hammer Tues.
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This is still a long way from over.
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What a response after the first quarter. Held strong with a late Suns comeback and then making everything. Great win!
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Tuesday night gonna be a big celebration.
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This is still a long way from over.
No doubt but they're in an excellent position to close the show. Despite some late possession meltdowns and Giannis missing FT's this was a tremendous win.
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Jrue is tough and smart as they come. Just a winner. His shooting is up and down, but so valuable. What a performance, what a sequence to drive the dagger home tonight
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Jrue is tough and smart as they come. Just a winner. His shooting is up and down, but so valuable. What a performance, what a sequence to drive the dagger home tonight
We know he has had several brutal shooting games. But If you look at what he did tonight I actually think it was the best individual performance in the entire playoffs.
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We know he has had several brutal shooting games. But If you look at what he did tonight I actually think it was the best individual performance in the entire playoffs.
It’s up there. Durant’s game 5 I think is still at the top though.
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It’s up there. Durant’s game 5 I think is still at the top though.
When you take into account what he did defensively I think you can make an argument for Holiday. It seemed to me the only time Booker didn't score was when Holiday was checking him. I'm curious what his defensive stats were tonight.
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Connaughton was big again tonight and has been really solid all series.
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Connaughton has earned his entire contract this postseason, and I will need to be reminded of this corrrct take over the next two years.
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Anybody have any ticket connections for Tuesday?
Ticket prices are insane!
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They weren't going to do this, but the refs should have reviewed that Giannis oop for a flagrant on Chris Paul. Good thing Giannis is as strong as he is because that was a dangerous play by Paul.
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They weren't going to do this, but the refs should have reviewed that Giannis oop for a flagrant on Chris Paul. Good thing Giannis is as strong as he is because that was a dangerous play by Paul.
Yeah. That was straight up high key dirty. And stupid! Dunk makes it a 3 point game with 13.5 seconds left. CP fouls, Giannis misses but gets his own rebound. Ballgame.
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I know they never call it but the moving screen by Crowder that allowed CP3 to have a wide open three with the time to read a book was egregious to me.
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I know they never call it but the moving screen by Crowder that allowed CP3 to have a wide open three with the time to read a book was egregious to me.
They just don't call 'em.
The one or two times a week a moving screen actually gets called, the screener is shocked by the call ... and even though he did commit a foul, I don't blame him for being shocked.
It's called much more in college, but it's also arbitrarily called at that level, so I guess I prefer that the NBA never calls 'em if given a choice between the two.
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NBA refs are usually pretty consistent in-game. I actually think the refs have been pretty consistent with their calls throughout the series. (I'm not saying they get every call right by any means.)
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NBA refs are usually pretty consistent in-game. I actually think the refs have been pretty consistent with their calls throughout the series. (I'm not saying they get every call right by any means.)
Yeah. It’s amazing. There are times live that I’m shocked at a whistle, only to have them show a replay and PJ clearly hacked the guy or whatever. The only ones I typically still disagree with after a replay is when Jrue is fighting over a screen, the screener throws his shoulder into Jrue, who then gets pushed into the ball handler (Harden).
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IMO NBA reffing has improved tremendously under Silver. There are still issues but they are right way more than they are wrong.
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I did not have “Suns shoot 55% from the field, 68% from 3, and only lose the rebounding battle by 2 and still lose at home” on my BINGO card.
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They just don't call 'em.
The one or two times a week a moving screen actually gets called, the screener is shocked by the call ... and even though he did commit a foul, I don't blame him for being shocked.
It's called much more in college, but it's also arbitrarily called at that level, so I guess I prefer that the NBA never calls 'em if given a choice between the two.
Good point.
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$280/ticket for upper level on Craigslist has to be a scam right?
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$280/ticket for upper level on Craigslist has to be a scam right?
Absolutely. SRO face value was like $425.
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$280/ticket for upper level on Craigslist has to be a scam right?
Oh yeah, on StubHub get in price for SRO is north of a G
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$280/ticket for upper level on Craigslist has to be a scam right?
Could be a parking pass too.
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Still great to watch.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mq2swMyyUzc
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Get the win on Tuesday, so we can move on to winning the World Series. After that, it’s on to the Super Bowl.
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Still great to watch.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mq2swMyyUzc
Imagine the outrage if someone like Marcus Smart or Patrick Beverly had made the play Chris Paul did.
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Get the win on Tuesday, so we can move on to winning the World Series. After that, it’s on to the Super Bowl.
And then, it goes without saying, bringing the national basketball title home to Marquette!
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Get the win on Tuesday, so we can move on to winning the World Series. After that, it’s on to the Super Bowl.
I feel confident saying Milwaukee will never win a Super Bowl in any of our lifetimes.
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I feel confident saying Milwaukee will never win a Super Bowl in any of our lifetimes.
I never mentioned Milwaukee. If you weren’t looking to criticize, you might have realized that.
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And then, it goes without saying, bringing the national basketball title home to Marquette!
I thought about adding that, but I figure it’s gonna take Shaka 2 years to win it all.
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I thought about adding that, but I figure it’s gonna take Shaka 2 years to win it all.
Agree, it takes 5 years to judge, once Shaka wins 4 straight titles
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Agree, it takes 5 years to judge, once Shaka wins 4 straight titles
:) :) :) :)
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I have no doubt Marquette can get back to the promised land. In my view we absolutely can be on par with Nova and Gonzaga. I understand it will take time, and patience isn't one of my strong points, but the resources are there as is the tremendous fanbase. The entire city of Milwaukee can be mobilized if we get our program back in business.
The Deer District will turn into the Coliseum or Eagle 's Nest with wall to wall support and enthusiasm. Shaka is quite aware of our iconic history, will get the right players, and re-establish an identity. It's time to go to work and bring back badass teams that possess: speed, quicks, creativity, power, mesh mincing, intelligence, hops, tenacity, spurtability, switchables, handles, enforcers, merciless devastation, etc etc, etc.
Get the right players, with a myriad of skills, and move towards net cutting and being a steady force every March/April. It can be done and has been proven by comparable programs.
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I have no doubt Marquette can get back to the promised land. In my view we absolutely can be on par with Nova and Gonzaga. I understand it will take time, and patience isn't one of my strong points, but the resources are there as is the tremendous fanbase. The entire city of Milwaukee can be mobilized if we get our program back in business.
The Deer District will turn into the Coliseum or Eagle 's Nest with wall to wall support and enthusiasm. Shaka is quite aware of our iconic history, will get the right players, and re-establish an identity. It's time to go to work and bring back badass teams that possess: speed, quicks, creativity, power, mesh mincing, intelligence, hops, tenacity, spurtability, switchables, handles, enforcers, merciless devastation, etc etc, etc.
Get the right players, with a myriad of skills, and move towards net cutting and being a steady force every March/April. It can be done and has been proven by comparable programs.
All it takes is 3 consecutive strong recruiting classes to stick the roster properly
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All it takes is 3 consecutive strong recruiting classes to stick the roster properly
Exactly Herman.
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Prediction tomorrow night?
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Bucks in 6, aina?
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Crowder going off for a 30-20-10
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It's [moving screen] called much more in college, but it's also arbitrarily called at that level, so I guess I prefer that the NBA never calls 'em if given a choice between the two.
Chris Grimm says hi.
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All it takes is 3 consecutive strong recruiting classes to stock the roster properly
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Bucks in 6, aina?
Just like you predicted before the playoffs — great performances by Giannis’ supporting cast over and over and over again would lead to an NBA championship!
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Bucks in 6, aina?
Kareem called it
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There will be 65K outside of the arena? This should be commonplace for Marquette games. We simply must get back to greatness.
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There will be 65K outside of the arena? This should be commonplace for Marquette games. We simply must get back to greatness.
I know they were turning people away from the "official" Deer District once they hit 25K for game 5. IDK how they could more than double that in 3 days, so 65K would be extremely optimistic, even for a Bucks Championship clinching game. I don't think they can stop people from being just outside the Deer district, but how much room, and whether or not alcohol is permitted there will limit people significantly.
As for MU games, I think you're bat sh!it crazy to expect that, appreciate the enthusiasm though.
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I know they were turning people away from the "official" Deer District once they hit 25K for game 5. IDK how they could more than double that in 3 games, so 65K would be extremely optimistic, even for a Bucks Championship clinching game. I don't think they can stop people from being just outside the Deer district, but how much room, and whether or not alcohol is permitted there will limit people significantly.
As for MU games, I think you're bat sh!it crazy to expect that, appreciate the enthusiasm though.
I don't "expect that" but we first must get back to relevance. Once we reestablish a bona fide tier one program with the ability to inflict damage in the tournament? It's quite possible to mobilize the city a la Villanova imo.
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Kareem called it
He also called them losing to the Nets. BJ3 is the prophet here.
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I don't "expect that" but we first must get back to relevance. Once we reestablish a bona fide tier one program with the ability to inflict damage in the tournament? It's quite possible to mobilize the city a la Villanova imo.
Again, I don't see that happening anytime in the near future, but still appreciate the enthusiasm.
Edit: NBA also benefits by actually going into the summer months, even in a non-Covid year. It is against the rules for MU to play a post-season game at the Forum, so at best, you'd be asking for a significant portion people (on top of the 17+k capacity of the forum) to stand outside, to watch a college basketball game, in Wisconsin, in February. I'm sorry, but that has never happened, and never will happen, to expect anything close to that, is setting yourself up for disappointment.
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Again, I don't see that happening anytime in the near future, but still appreciate the enthusiasm.
Edit: NBA also benefits by actually going into the summer months, even in a non-Covid year. It is against the rules for MU to play a post-season game at the Forum, so at best, you'd be asking for a significant portion people (on top of the 17+k capacity of the forum) to stand outside, to watch a college basketball game, in Wisconsin, in February. I'm sorry, but that has never happened, and never will happen, to expect anything close to that, is setting yourself up for disappointment.
That's a fair point...but whatever happened to winter jackets? Aren't there this many people at Green Bay games? Anyway, I suppose it's unlikely but I believe MU hoops should be marketed better. The goals should always be high and even lofty.
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That's a fair point...but whatever happened to winter jackets? Aren't there this many people at Green Bay games? Anyway, I suppose it's unlikely but I believe MU hoops should be marketed better. The goals should always be high and even lofty.
IMO comparing MUBB to Packers Football is again setting yourself up for disappointment. I also think you underestimate the number of bars in Milwaukee. If I weren't a STH, and I had the choice of watching a MU game in the Deer District, or at a bar two blocks away, I wouldn't think twice about going to a bar.
A college sports team is almost never going to be able to compete with the local pro team. Nova isn't exactly in Philadelphia. Durham doesn't have a professional sports team. Neither does Chapel Hill, Bloomington, Lexington, Lawrence, Louisville, etc. In today's day and age, MU is never going to be the no. 1 sport in the city. That's not a slight at the potential of the bball program, that's just a fact.
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IMO comparing MUBB to Packers Football is again setting yourself up for disappointment. I also think you underestimate the number of bars in Milwaukee. If I weren't a STH, and I had the choice of watching a MU game in the Deer District, or at a bar two blocks away, I wouldn't think twice about going to a bar.
A college sports team is almost never going to be able to compete with the local pro team. Nova isn't exactly in Philadelphia. Durham doesn't have a professional sports team. Neither does Chapel Hill, Bloomington, Lexington, Lawrence, Louisville, etc. In today's day and age, MU is never going to be the no. 1 sport in the city. That's not a slight at the potential of the bball program, that's just a fact.
Okay. I may have gotten carried away and respect your opinion. I'm just hoping we can get back on track and think the Bucks' popularity could lead to more MU fans in the city.
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Okay. I may have gotten carried away and respect your opinion. I'm just hoping we can get back on track and think the Bucks' popularity could lead to more MU fans in the city.
I agree with that, I just think the ceiling of MUBB is consistently selling out the Forum. Which would be no small feat BTW, about 350 D1 teams would kill for the opportunity to do that.
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I agree with that, I just think the ceiling of MUBB is consistently selling out the Forum. Which would be no small feat BTW, about 350 D1 teams would kill for the opportunity to do that.
Yes. That should certainly be an immediate goal under the Shaka regime.
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IMO comparing MUBB to Packers Football is again setting yourself up for disappointment. I also think you underestimate the number of bars in Milwaukee. If I weren't a STH, and I had the choice of watching a MU game in the Deer District, or at a bar two blocks away, I wouldn't think twice about going to a bar.
A college sports team is almost never going to be able to compete with the local pro team. Nova isn't exactly in Philadelphia. Durham doesn't have a professional sports team. Neither does Chapel Hill, Bloomington, Lexington, Lawrence, Louisville, etc. In today's day and age, MU is never going to be the no. 1 sport in the city. That's not a slight at the potential of the bball program, that's just a fact.
Its not even a slight to MU, there arent thousands of people in the Deer District for a first round Bucks playoff game, much less a regular season game. I went down there for one of the games against Toronto in 2019 and they had a big screen and a decent amount of people outside the bars, but nothing like this. Even if Marquette was still playing when it was nice out, its ludicrous to expect any sort of crowd in an outdoor venue watching the game, save for E8 games and beyond really.
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There will be 65K outside of the arena? This should be commonplace for Marquette games. We simply must get back to greatness.
Nads kalls dis a super spreader event. Dude lives in 2020, hey?
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I know they were turning people away from the "official" Deer District once they hit 25K for game 5. IDK how they could more than double that in 3 days, so 65K would be extremely optimistic, even for a Bucks Championship clinching game. I don't think they can stop people from being just outside the Deer district, but how much room, and whether or not alcohol is permitted there will limit people significantly.
As for MU games, I think you're bat sh!it crazy to expect that, appreciate the enthusiasm though.
They are temporarily expanding out the Deer District an additional 5 acres and adding more TVs. I strongly considered driving up for the game but didn’t work out with work and family.
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God the wait for this game is gonna kill me.
I'm just VERY uncomfortable with the narrative around this one. My WI sports disaster radar is going bonkers.
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Nads kalls dis a super spreader event.
Did I, Doc Dribble? Please provide a link.
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God the wait for this game is gonna kill me.
I'm just VERY uncomfortable with the narrative around this one. My WI sports disaster radar is going bonkers.
+1 million
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I am predicting a Secretariat at Belmont type victory for the Bucks. Win by 31 pulling away at the end.
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God the wait for this game is gonna kill me.
I'm just VERY uncomfortable with the narrative around this one. My WI sports disaster radar is going bonkers.
Every Bucks fan today summed up
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https://twitter.com/KingJosiah54/status/1417491099137028117?s=20
This is awesome.
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Taught Michael Jackson wuz ded? Just a hoax, hey?
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Bucks couldn’t play much worse than they are right now. Luckily Suns are just as bad. Lots of nerves on both ends.
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I am predicting a Secretariat at Belmont type victory for the Bucks. Win by 31 pulling away at the end.
On track for the 31 point win.
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Connaughton has been brutal
Missed every shot. Turning the ball over.
Getting eaten up on defensive end.
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They’ve all been awful but Giannis.
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Officiating pretty terrible so far in the 2nd quarter. Suns hacking away non-stop no calls, and several touch fouls agains the Bucks. Changed the flow and momentum.
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Officiating pretty terrible so far in the 2nd quarter. Suns hacking away non-stop no calls, and several touch fouls agains the Bucks. Changed the flow and momentum.
Hardly.
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That was an infuriating quarter. Everyone outside of Giannis and borderline Khris has been awful. Don’t have a chance if Jrue is going to be this terrible.
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Middleton and Holiday 4-19.
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Bucks are just resting for their big charge in the 4th. They have this game comfortably under control. Giannis is too strong for Phoenix
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Middleton and Holiday 4-19.
Middleton is at least taking good shots.
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Hermie, they're suckin' major ass, hey?
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I am predicting a Secretariat at Belmont type victory for the Bucks. Win by 31 pulling away at the end.
At halftime its looking like Secretariat getting beat by Onion.
https://youtu.be/ik9U4JVrr_Q
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Alright one quarter.
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I think the Suns shot their load in the second quarter .
Giannis going to come in with The Money Shot at the end and win the game for The Bucks
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They better do it tonite. Don’t know if I can do this again.
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Entertaining game, even though it's often like MMA out there!
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4 minutes- put Lopez in for Pat
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Will the refs have the balls to foul out Ayton?
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Suns have no three point capability makes it impossible for them to win.
Giannis shooting multiple loads
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Yessssssssssss!
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Booker should focus his offseason on growing up and becoming an adult.
Spent the entire series bi tching about everything. Clanking bricks when it matters.
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Congrats to all the Bucks fans. Deserving champs.
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Legendary performance by G.
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Champs! Giannis will forever be a legend
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I will never forget what Giannis did the rest of my life
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Congrats to all the Bucks fans on this board, well deserved title.
I was wrong on my take that they gave up too much for Jrue, they got the ring, and that’s all that matters. Well done, party hard and enjoy it. So hard to win a title in any sport, happy for you guys/gals.
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Giannis was unreal in this game. Likely a top 5 finals performance of all time.
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Great win for City of Milwaukee . There will be a halo effect for MU.
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Giannis was unreal in this game. Likely a top 5 finals performance of all time.
Thoughts on better or comparable closing game performances? Petit in 58 from a quick search. Can't find any other 50 point game clinchers.
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So winning in 5 is a gentleman’s sweep. Is winning in 6 after being down 2-0 the Midwest Nice Sweep?
I was so wrong. I didn’t think Bud could make necessary adjustments. I didn’t think Giannis had a diverse enough game to be the top guy on a championship team. I didn’t think Middleton was a good enough as a number 2.
This is incredible.
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Thoughts on better or comparable closing game performances? Petit in 58 from a quick search. Can't find any other 50 point game clinchers.
Giannis is likely the best. I did a little looking, can't find any that are as good across the board.
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Giannis was unreal in this game. Likely a top 5 finals performance of all time.
Two iconic plays then a 50 point clincher. Incredible.
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Giannis is likely the best. I did a little looking, can't find any that are as good across the board.
Tim Duncan had like 21/20/10 in Game 6 in 2003, with like 8 blocks. Thats probably the closest. But he wasn't a supernova like Giannis was this game. This was absolutely unreal.
Even more so cause this playoffs had the BS narrative that Giannis was Robin to Middleton's Batman. AND, literally in the last 2 weeks, people were debating if the Bucks were better without him as they closed out Atlanta with him injured. Just an absolutely astounding Finals performance, legacy making, and incredibly deserved for just a top class individual.
Only players to have an MVP and a DPOY in the same season? MJ, Hakeem...and Giannis.
Only players to have multiple MVPs, a DPOY, and a Finals MVP? MJ...and Giannis. Absolutely incredible.
I don't know if its possible for a more uniquely perfect fit for player and non-major market team/city than Giannis and MKE/The Bucks.
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Tim Duncan had like 21/20/10 in Game 6 in 2003, with like 8 blocks. Thats probably the closest. But he wasn't a supernova like Giannis was this game. This was absolutely unreal.
Even more so cause this playoffs had the BS narrative that Giannis was Robin to Middleton's Batman. AND, literally in the last 2 weeks, people were debating if the Bucks were better without him as they closed out Atlanta with him injured. Just an absolutely astounding Finals performance, legacy making, and incredibly deserved for just a top class individual.
Only players to have an MVP and a DPOY in the same season? MJ, Hakeem...and Giannis.
Only players to have multiple MVPs, a DPOY, and a Finals MVP? MJ...and Giannis. Absolutely incredible.
I don't know if its possible for a more uniquely perfect fit for player and non-major market team/city than Giannis and MKE/The Bucks.
DWade game 6 2006:
36 points
10 boards
5 assists
4 steals
3 blocks
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Best individual performance I have seen in the Finals since Wade in '06. Don't forget about the 5 blocks and the fact that Giannis got very little help other than Portis.
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That performance may also open up the floodgates for Giannis Meaning 75%+ from the line and a pretty consistent jumper. And when that happens? Uh-Oh. We're talking about a unique talent and a great kid. Very refreshing to have him as the face of the league.
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Mad respect for Monty Williams. That guy is a class act.
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I feel like there's a bit of crow to be eaten here, are the responsible parties going to step up, or do they need to be called out first?
No shame in being wrong, but the ability to own it gain rep points.
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Mad respect for Monty Williams. That guy is a class act.
That was very classy.
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I feel like there's a bit of crow to be eaten here, are the responsible parties going to step up, or do they need to be called out first?
No shame in being wrong, but the ability to own it gain rep points.
I've been critical of Budenholzer but did believe the Bucks had enough to get the chip.
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I thought they were done about three different times in this postseason. But 34 wouldn't let them lose. What an incredible night.
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Glad Rodgers got another ring. Somethin' Brady can't out do him at. Eat chit Tom, aina?
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I feel like there's a bit of crow to be eaten here, are the responsible parties going to step up, or do they need to be called out first?
No shame in being wrong, but the ability to own it gain rep points.
Two years ago, I thought they’d win a title. After last year, I didn’t think they’d win a title. Didn’t think Bud had it in him, doubted Middleton. Giannis covers a lot of sins but Bud will be here as long as he wants now and quite frankly, him and his staff deserve a lot of credit. Fans think we have all the answers when we don’t. As for Khris, no one will ever wear the number 22 in Milwaukee ever again. Multiple times an all-star, playing for Team USA, nba champ. I watched a lot of him at Texas A&M. Good college player but never saw him being a vital cog to an NBA title winner. Of all the dudes getting rings, he’s the one that ought to tell the most people to kiss rear end.
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DWade game 6 2006:
36 points
10 boards
5 assists
4 steals
3 blocks
That was great. Giannis was way better last night.
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Was at the game last night. Could tell from the first 3 minutes or so that the Bucks were winning this game, and even with the ugly second quarter I never doubted it. The Suns did not want their ring. Jae missing open looks, Booker more worried about the reffing than playing, CP looked a billion percent uninterested in being hounded by Jrue for another two games, Ayton looking like the lights were WAY too bright. CP finally got going mid second quarter when Jrue moved over to Booker. The only Sun that actually showed up to play was...Frank Kaminski?
Incredible experience. I heard getting into Fiserv for games 3 and 4 through the main entrance wasn't an issue, but with the expanded Deer District it was an absolute joke last night. Stood in line just trying to get around the area for 5-10 minutes, didn't move an inch because the Deer District crowd was locked into their spots and nobody was going to move. So ditched that and went through the parking structure to the sky walk. That worked out way better. The Deer District is an awesome idea, but if you're going to have basically one entrance for 17K people to get into (I believe only one other very small general entrance on the northeast side, then a couple small entrances for certain types of tickets), putting 65K people right outside that entrance probably isn't the greatest idea.
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Tim Duncan had like 21/20/10 in Game 6 in 2003, with like 8 blocks. Thats probably the closest. But he wasn't a supernova like Giannis was this game. This was absolutely unreal.
Even more so cause this playoffs had the BS narrative that Giannis was Robin to Middleton's Batman. AND, literally in the last 2 weeks, people were debating if the Bucks were better without him as they closed out Atlanta with him injured. Just an absolutely astounding Finals performance, legacy making, and incredibly deserved for just a top class individual.
Only players to have an MVP and a DPOY in the same season? MJ, Hakeem...and Giannis.
Only players to have multiple MVPs, a DPOY, and a Finals MVP? MJ...and Giannis. Absolutely incredible.
I don't know if its possible for a more uniquely perfect fit for player and non-major market team/city than Giannis and MKE/The Bucks.
It was a loss, but what LeBron did in game 1 in 2018: 51, 8, 8 playing 47/48 min against that Warriors team. It’s in the conversation too.
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Also, Bud made me eat a loooooot of crow this year. He made adjustments this year that in past years he was unwilling to make, and the Bucks are champions because of it. Classy guy, so very happy he now isn't just a "regular season coach."
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Even more so cause this playoffs had the BS narrative that Giannis was Robin to Middleton's Batman. AND, literally in the last 2 weeks, people were debating if the Bucks were better without him as they closed out Atlanta with him injured.
After the initial "Wow, great job by the Bucks winning" vibe, the thing that went through my head last night was exactly what Wags articulated earlier in this thread: Some people -- and not just 2 or 3 -- actually were saying the Bucks were better without Giannis. Talk about a hot take.
Also ...
++ Looks like Middleton isn't just some guy. Is he KD? No, but he's not supposed to be. He's more like the Bucks' version of a healthy Klay Thompson, and that's pretty damn good.
++ Looks like Budenholzer isn't a bad coach after all. He obviously isn't perfect, but who is? I mean, elsewhere in this thread, Popovich is getting killed by some Scoopers, and even Phil Jackson is getting called overrated. I'm still scratching my head about Portis not playing at all in a few games, and yes, sometimes the offense stagnated for long stretches. But anybody who watches NBA basketball for any length of time knows that happens to every team. The Suns were lauded for their ball movement, and rightly so, but I saw a lot of Paul or Booker dribbling and forcing tough shot-clock attempts this series. At this level, a coach's No. 1 job is to blend all of a team's egos and get them to play together and play hard the vast majority of every game. And that's what the champion Bucks did. His secondary job is to put each of his players into a role in which he can succeed; Budenholzer also did that. As for in-game adjustments, he did well with those as the playoffs progressed. There's a feeling-out process for coaches, too.
++ Whether they were down 0-2 in a series or by double-digits in a game, the Bucks never quit. Now, they are very well-paid athletes and coaches, so that's part of the job description and I'm loathe to give out gold stars for this. If they did quit, they don't belong in the league. But still, this team showed resiliency again and again and again. Credit goes to the team's leaders, both on the floor and the sideline, for setting the tone, and also to the role players for doing their jobs well.
++ Holiday ... wow. Sure, it would be nice if he shot like Steph, but he does things Steph can't do, like lock down whomever he defends. That's such a game-changer that anything he provides on offense is almost a bonus. And thankfully for the Bucks, even if he usually didn't shoot well, Holiday provided a lot on offense.
++ It was interesting to watch how the Finals were officiated. Much of the time, maybe even most of the time, it reminded me of the late-'80s and into the '90s. Very physical, a lot of arm-barring, wipe-out screens allowed, a lot of play-ons despite significant contact. In general, I thought it benefited the Bucks because it let Holiday get up into whomever he was defending and because the Suns, in general, are the more finesse team. I am NOT saying the refs gave it to the Bucks; I am saying the Bucks were better suited to the way the games were called and I credit them for realizing it and taking advantage of it. The Suns also lost their poise after bad calls or no-calls a lot more often than the Bucks did, and I think that hurt them as well.
++ Before the Finals, I picked the Suns because I thought they were the better, healthier team, but I said I hoped I was wrong because I like this Bucks team. I'm glad I was wrong!
Hell of a run by the Bucks. They played the equivalent of another quarter-season (more actually), all against quality opponents. They played almost the entire postseason without one of their starters, and had to play two games without their superstar. It's quite a gauntlet, and the Bucks not only survived but thrived. Well done, from the top of the organization to their All-Star leaders, to the last guy on the bench. Deserving champs, for sure. Congrats again to all the Bucks fans on Scoop!
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My main feeling is disappointment re: Jae but congrats to MKE, it's great for the city.
I think anyone still clinging to the belief that Lebron is still the best player has been disabused of that notion. What a series he had.
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I also think the NBA was happy that the "super team" narrative went away for a season. Really good optics to have a largely home grown team in a small market with 65,000 people outside the arena - even if the TV ratings aren't great.
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More of curiosity since I don’t live in the area anymore, Bucks fans by and large behave themselves after the win last night?
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More of curiosity since I don’t live in the area anymore, Bucks fans by and large behave themselves after the win last night?
I heard on the news this AM that there were very few, and only minor issues. But there was a strong Police presence and that national guard was even mobilized.
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A few shootings on Water Street I believe.
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Yep, watch it live on TV. It was around 12:45am.
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First MKE world championship in my adult life. Congrats Bucks fans!
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I feel like there's a bit of crow to be eaten here, are the responsible parties going to step up, or do they need to be called out first?
No shame in being wrong, but the ability to own it gain rep points.
Don't be vague, talk yo crap
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Item in my NYT "Deal Book" feed, the newspapers daily business briefs:
Wall Street wins an N.B.A. championship. The Milwaukee Bucks defeated the Phoenix Suns in Game 6 of the league’s finals, earning their first championship in 50 years. It’s a major victory for the finals M.V.P. Giannis Antetokounmpo — and for the financiers who own the Bucks, including Jamie Dinan of York Capital, Wes Edens of Fortress and Marc Lasry of Avenue Capital.
I had forgotten who owned the Bucks. Which means they're owned by Wall Street moguls while the football team a couple hours away is owned by the public. That is not a judgment at all, just a fact that I find interesting.
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Item in my NYT "Deal Book" feed, the newspapers daily business briefs:
Wall Street wins an N.B.A. championship. The Milwaukee Bucks defeated the Phoenix Suns in Game 6 of the league’s finals, earning their first championship in 50 years. It’s a major victory for the finals M.V.P. Giannis Antetokounmpo — and for the financiers who own the Bucks, including Jamie Dinan of York Capital, Wes Edens of Fortress and Marc Lasry of Avenue Capital.
I had forgotten who owned the Bucks. Which means they're owned by Wall Street moguls while the football team a couple hours away is owned by the public. That is not a judgment at all, just a fact that I find interesting.
I do find it ridiculous that they go to the owners of the teams first in the NBA and NFL championship trophy presentations. Can't remember how they do it with the World Series.
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Don't be vague, talk yo crap
This made me lol.
I was really critical of Horst's handling of the bungled Bogdan sign and trade and then all of the assets that went away in the Jrue deal on an expiring. While some of how things turned out might have been serendipidity - I don't think this team wins a championship with Bogdan and Bledsoe doing his best Holiday impression instead of Holiday and Connaughton doing his best Bogdan impression - hats off to Horst for constructing a team that fit together incredibly well. The Tucker acquisition was huge and the role players really stepped up. Still a ton of future assets going away in the Jrue deal, especially if Giannis gets hurt in one of the seasons before the draft picks vest, but who cares. Jrue signed an extension and flags fly forever.
And I wasn't vocal about doubting Budenholzer, but the Finals went from what I thought was a bad matchup for the Bucks to feeling like a great matchup for the reasons Wades outlines. I think turning a bad matchup into a good one is probably the definition of great coaching, so hats off to Bud.
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I do find it ridiculous that they go to the owners of the teams first in the NBA and NFL championship trophy presentations. Can't remember how they do it with the World Series.
I'll admit I was kinda sad that Herb Kohl wasn't there for the trophy celebration. :-\
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Wow. Didn't think Bud had it in him. Watched it at Will's north woods, it was insanity and had a line out the door and down the block.
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Booker should focus his offseason on growing up and becoming an adult.
Spent the entire series bi tching about everything. Clanking bricks when it matters.
He gonna learn it from Chris Paul?
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Congrats to the Bucks and their fans. Well deserved.
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I do find it ridiculous that they go to the owners of the teams first in the NBA and NFL championship trophy presentations. Can't remember how they do it with the World Series.
I've never liked that. GIVE IT TO THE PLAYERS, then coaches, then owners. The owners are fine. They'll get their turn. Let the people who put their actual blood, sweat, and tears on the line get it first.
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Was at the game last night. Could tell from the first 3 minutes or so that the Bucks were winning this game, and even with the ugly second quarter I never doubted it. The Suns did not want their ring. Jae missing open looks, Booker more worried about the reffing than playing, CP looked a billion percent uninterested in being hounded by Jrue for another two games, Ayton looking like the lights were WAY too bright. CP finally got going mid second quarter when Jrue moved over to Booker. The only Sun that actually showed up to play was...Frank Kaminski?
Incredible experience. I heard getting into Fiserv for games 3 and 4 through the main entrance wasn't an issue, but with the expanded Deer District it was an absolute joke last night. Stood in line just trying to get around the area for 5-10 minutes, didn't move an inch because the Deer District crowd was locked into their spots and nobody was going to move. So ditched that and went through the parking structure to the sky walk. That worked out way better. The Deer District is an awesome idea, but if you're going to have basically one entrance for 17K people to get into (I believe only one other very small general entrance on the northeast side, then a couple small entrances for certain types of tickets), putting 65K people right outside that entrance probably isn't the greatest idea.
Wealthy, white privilege, hey?
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Wealthy, white privilege, hey?
Trying to make a political statement during what has been a celebration of the Bucks' first title in 50 years.
Some people show no respect to the mods. It's a shame that an adult could be so disrespectful.
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Wealthy, white privilege, hey?
Ask your friend Keefer for my HR department's email. Voice your concerns with what they're paying me.
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As far as this being the best Finala performance of all time it's either #1 or #2 in my lifetime. I think people are forgetting that two weeks ago we weren't even sure Giannis was going to play in this series. You add that he really got no help (other than Portis), and his defensive impact, I'm just curious where people rate this historically? I think the Jordan G6 in Utah is right there but I wasn't alive to see Magic in 1980, Frazier in 1970, or Russell or Petit in their eras.
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So winning in 5 is a gentleman’s sweep. Is winning in 6 after being down 2-0 the Midwest Nice Sweep?
I was so wrong. I didn’t think Bud could make necessary adjustments. I didn’t think Giannis had a diverse enough game to be the top guy on a championship team. I didn’t think Middleton was a good enough as a number 2.
This is incredible.
The Ope Sweep.
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As far as this being the best Finala performance of all time it's either #1 or #2 in my lifetime. I think people are forgetting that two weeks ago we weren't even sure Giannis was going to play in this series. You add that he really got no help (other than Portis), and his defensive impact, I'm just curious where people rate this historically? I think the Jordan G6 in Utah is right there but I wasn't alive to see Magic in 1980, Frazier in 1970, or Russell or Petit in their eras.
MJ's 1993 finals: 45.7 mpg, 41 ppg, 8.5 rpg, 6.3 apg and 1.7 spg.
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MJ's 1993 finals: 45.7 mpg, 41 ppg, 8.5 rpg, 6.3 apg and 1.7 spg.
Lol. That is flat out stupid.
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MJ's 1993 finals: 45.7 mpg, 41 ppg, 8.5 rpg, 6.3 apg and 1.7 spg.
I just meant in one individual game Pakumi.
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I'll admit I was kinda sad that Herb Kohl wasn't there for the trophy celebration. :-\
Depends on how much credit you give Kohl for "keeping the Bucks in Milwaukee". Otherwise, good riddance. He didn't know how to run the team and kept them in mediocrity for years cause being an 7/8 seed and making the playoffs was more important than have a few rough years but building a championship caliber team.
As for mocking Booker, he wasnt good last night (no Suns were outside of stretchs for Payne and CP3) but dude put up 42 and 40 in Games 4 and 5, in back and forth close games. He also was brilliant in Game 2, 31/5/6. Lot of Suns shrunk in big moments down the stretch, Booker is the last one who should get stick. He's a bonafide baller. Even last night he hit a couple contested mid range jumpers that were absurd
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Depends on how much credit you give Kohl for "keeping the Bucks in Milwaukee". Otherwise, good riddance. He didn't know how to run the team and kept them in mediocrity for years cause being an 7/8 seed and making the playoffs was more important than have a few rough years but building a championship caliber team.
As for mocking Booker, he wasnt good last night (no Suns were outside of stretchs for Payne and CP3) but dude put up 42 and 40 in Games 4 and 5, in back and forth close games. He also was brilliant in Game 2, 31/5/6. Lot of Suns shrunk in big moments down the stretch, Booker is the last one who should get stick. He's a bonafide baller. Even last night he hit a couple contested mid range jumpers that were absurd
Booker looked exhausted the last 6 minutes but he had a damn good series. His growth as an all-around player really impressed me during the postseason. He's entering his prime and will really be a handful. Needs to check his emotions a little better, but we could say that about lots of players.
I love Jae and he deserves a lot of credit for helping the Suns get to the Finals. But he missed 3-4 WIDE OPEN 3s last night when the Suns desperately needed somebody to step up. These guys aren't machines.
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Depends on how much credit you give Kohl for "keeping the Bucks in Milwaukee". Otherwise, good riddance. He didn't know how to run the team and kept them in mediocrity for years cause being an 7/8 seed and making the playoffs was more important than have a few rough years but building a championship caliber team.
As for mocking Booker, he wasnt good last night (no Suns were outside of stretchs for Payne and CP3) but dude put up 42 and 40 in Games 4 and 5, in back and forth close games. He also was brilliant in Game 2, 31/5/6. Lot of Suns shrunk in big moments down the stretch, Booker is the last one who should get stick. He's a bonafide baller. Even last night he hit a couple contested mid range jumpers that were absurd
Kohl is a lot like Selig. Not great owners, but without them we don’t have teams in Milwaukee. Maybe they traded notes when they were roommates at UW.
I think that’s a big thing about Booker. It seemed we held on long enough during the last few games that at the end, they were a bit tired and the Bucks made winning plays down the stretch. Holiday was great defensively. The Suns make so many tough shots.
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Depends on how much credit you give Kohl for "keeping the Bucks in Milwaukee". Otherwise, good riddance. He didn't know how to run the team and kept them in mediocrity for years cause being an 7/8 seed and making the playoffs was more important than have a few rough years but building a championship caliber team.
Both Kohl and Selig deserve a lot of credit for keeping the Bucks, and getting and keeping the Brewers, in Milwaukee. But other than that, they both sucked as owners. No coincidence that ownership changes with both franchises lead to a re-emergence.
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I'm not saying that Kohl didn't leave a lot to be desired as an owner, but he genuinely seemed to care about the team and the city, which is more than you can say about a lot of owners. It would nice to see him involved in this victory lap.
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I'm not saying that Kohl didn't leave a lot to be desired as an owner, but he genuinely seemed to care about the team and the city, which is more than you can say about a lot of owners. It would nice to see him involved in this victory lap.
I think Alex Lasry lives and dies with the Bucks, but I agree his father and Wes Edens seem detached.
But again, Kohl has no connection to what the Bucks have developed into. I wouldn't expect to see Selig connected to the Attanasio Brewers grand success. If someone sold a regional manufacturer and the new owners turned it into a national brand and then IPO'd, that first owner wouldn't be banging the gavel to open the NYSE with them, no matter how much he loved the company.
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My understanding is that the current owners have been quite respectful to Kohl, and I think he attended and was recognized at a game earlier in the playoffs. I mean, he is also 86 years old. (As is Selig.) I don't know how active and out there he is these days.
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Buy Hammond a ring too.
https://www.orlandopinstripedpost.com/2021/7/21/22586452/orlando-magic-giannis-antetokounmpo-john-hammond-nba-finals
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Buy Hammond a ring too.
https://www.orlandopinstripedpost.com/2021/7/21/22586452/orlando-magic-giannis-antetokounmpo-john-hammond-nba-finals
Hammond unearthing Giannis and subsequently hiding him to prevent other NBA teams from discovering him was a stroke of genius
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Hammond unearthing Giannis and subsequently hiding him to prevent other NBA teams from discovering him was a stroke of genius
I need to hear this backstory.
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One down.
Brewers - you’re up next!
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Hammond unearthing Giannis and subsequently hiding him to prevent other NBA teams from discovering him was a stroke of genius
I believe the Hawks were the other team that wanted him. I think Larry Drew coming from Atlanta to Milwaukee also helped let the Bucks know that Atlanta wanted him.
Not sure the exact details, but I think the Hawks thought he’d get past the Bucks and traded up to 16 for him.
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I believe the Hawks were the other team that wanted him. I think Larry Drew coming from Atlanta to Milwaukee also helped let the Bucks know that Atlanta wanted him.
Not sure the exact details, but I think the Hawks thought he’d get past the Bucks and traded up to 16 for him.
Listen to this.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30310623/the-giannis-draft-woj-pod-how-listen
Or read this.
https://www.ajc.com/sports/basketball/anatomy-2013-nba-draft-antetokounmpo-was-close-being-hawk/bPGo2DIQ1fh8CSymQAZjNO/
Atlanta was the only team he worked out for in the United States. They were going to pick Giannis and Dennis Schroeder, heard the Bucks MIGHT be interested in Giannis that morning, but didn't want to spend two picks to move up ahead of Milwaukee to get him.
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That was great. Giannis was way better last night.
I was responding to "best since when" and it was best since that, for me
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Not really surprising,....
Giannis Antetokounmpo's jersey is currently second globally among NBA players in sales.
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So this Chick-fil-a person in Milwaukee said Giannis could not get food for life there until he wins another title? WTF?? My guess is this will be rectified by the CEO.
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Hammond unearthing Giannis and subsequently hiding him to prevent other NBA teams from discovering him was a stroke of genius
Hammond unearthing dino DNA and subsequently wreaking havoc over Isla Nublar, decidedly less so.
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Hammond unearthing dino DNA and subsequently wreaking havoc over Isla Nublar, decidedly less so.
But he spared no expense!
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I'm not saying that Kohl didn't leave a lot to be desired as an owner, but he genuinely seemed to care about the team and the city, which is more than you can say about a lot of owners. It would nice to see him involved in this victory lap.
Clean up in aisle 8, hey?
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Booker's a great shoota, but he's a punk, hey?
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So this Chick-fil-a person in Milwaukee said Giannis could not get food for life there until he wins another title? WTF?? My guess is this will be rectified by the CEO.
You're right to be outraged that a man with a net worth measured in the hundreds of millions won't be getting free chicken tendies for life.
Better fix this extreme injustice.
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You're right to be outraged that a man with a net worth measured in the hundreds of millions won't be getting free chicken tendies for life.
Better fix this extreme injustice.
#privileged
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Booker's a great shoota, but he's a punk, hey?
Please define "punk," nu?
Name some other "punks" in sports.
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You're right to be outraged that a man with a net worth measured in the hundreds of millions won't be getting free chicken tendies for life.
Better fix this extreme injustice.
I'm surprised that Giannis hasn't been canceled yet for eating hate, with a large half sprite/half lemonade.
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I'm surprised that Giannis hasn't been canceled yet for eating hate, with a large half sprite/half lemonade.
Cancel culture has gotten pretty one-sided over the last year, so he’ll be fine
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You're right to be outraged that a man with a net worth measured in the hundreds of millions won't be getting free chicken tendies for life.
Better fix this extreme injustice.
How much money do you think Giannis has generated for the city of Milwaukee?
#underpaid
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All right, children, leave the cancel culture stuff out of it
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How much money do you think Giannis has generated for the city of Milwaukee?
#underpaid
Irrelevant. He gets paid hundreds of millions. He can afford the tendies.
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Irrelevant. He gets paid hundreds of millions. He can afford the tendies.
He's free advertising for c-f-a. Give the kid a break.
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So this Chick-fil-a person in Milwaukee said Giannis could not get food for life there until he wins another title? WTF?? My guess is this will be rectified by the CEO.
Its almost like the random store manager didn't have the authority to give Giannis free food and was joking around...and Giannis also wasn't serious in his demands....
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Its almost like the random store manager didn't have the authority to give Giannis free food and was joking around...and Giannis also wasn't serious in his demands....
Agreed. The CEO will likely do something for him. Add the Giannis Sprite/Lemonade drink, 50 piece, bbq chicken sandy....something.
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Please define "punk," nu?
Name some other "punks" in sports.
Mike, you know exactly what I mean. Dude bitches about every call. I don't give him a pass just because he's porkin' Kendall, hey?
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Agreed. The CEO will likely do something for him. Add the Giannis Sprite/Lemonade drink, 50 piece, bbq chicken sandy....something.
Making me think of the classic athlete-fastfood crossover: The Gilbert Burger. Named for all 400 lbs of the Gravedigger himself, Gilbert Brown.
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Agreed. The CEO will likely do something for him. Add the Giannis Sprite/Lemonade drink, 50 piece, bbq chicken sandy....something.
I feel like me and many others are now going to try that drink. Seems kind of good, even as a non-soda drinker.
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Booker's a great shoota, but he's a punk, hey?
Is Brooks Lopez a punk? He complains on every foul.
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I feel like me and many others are now going to try that drink. Seems kind of good, even as a non-soda drinker.
Cheebs it's a nice little drink. You may enjoy a Lemon Radler as well. I know it sounds crazy but it's Lemonade and Beer. It's refreshing and low-alchohol on a hot day.
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Is Brooks Lopez a punk? He complains on every foul.
Pretty certain he's a dumb ass punk, hey?
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Cheebs it's a nice little drink. You may enjoy a Lemon Radler as well. I know it sounds crazy but it's Lemonade and Beer. It's refreshing and low-alchohol on a hot day.
aka a shandy.
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aka a shandy.
Shandy= beer and lemonade
Radler= beer and any other juice or fruit soda
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Shandy= beer and lemonade
Radler= beer and any other juice or fruit soda
Yes. But the Germam and Austrian Radlers are the best ones.
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Is Brooks Lopez a punk? He complains on every foul.
Confirmed
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I've heard many people say this is Milwaukee's first title since 1971. That is factually incorrect.
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I've heard many people say this is Milwaukee's first title since 1971. That is factually incorrect.
True. The Wave won titles more recently. Plus, Milwaukee saved the Packers from relocating, so, they get a share of those titles, too
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Mike, you know exactly what I mean. Dude bitches about every call.
Well, if you say he's a punk, what else does anybody need to know for certain that he's a punk?
I mean, you said the Bucks were a bunch of "smoes" who couldn't win a title, and that proved true!
Good to have the ground rules, though. Everybody who bitches about calls is a "punk." Which means that just about everybody in every sport is a punk.
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True. The Wave won titles more recently. Plus, Milwaukee saved the Packers from relocating, so, they get a share of those titles, too
Milwaukee Milkmen won the title last year.
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Milwaukee Milkmen won the title last year.
Are people just messing with me? Smh.
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Well, if you say he's a punk, what else does anybody need to know for certain that he's a punk?
I mean, you said the Bucks were a bunch of "smoes" who couldn't win a title, and that proved true!
Good to have the ground rules, though. Everybody who bitches about calls is a "punk." Which means that just about everybody in every sport is a punk.
Wee finally agree on sumthin'. In udder werds, shut up and dribble, aina?
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Wee finally agree on sumthin'. In udder werds, shut up and dribble, aina?
Wee wish ewe wood!
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Are people just messing with me? Smh.
Don't worry, we all know the Milwaukee Admirals won the Calder Cup back in the 2000s
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Are people just messing with me? Smh.
We also recall last year’s Golden Eagles TBT championship. Never forget that shot by Travis Diener.
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We also recall last year’s Golden Eagles TBT championship. Never forget that shot by Travis Diener.
Yup. That's exactly right. What a beautiful sequence to slam the door.
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Confirmed
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Goddammit, I need a drink now.
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Don't worry, we all know the Milwaukee Admirals won the Calder Cup back in the 2000s
Thats the only thing that's helped people getting over the Milwaukee Iron losing in the AF2 Conference Finals
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No love for the Brewcity Bruisers?
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Duncan Robinson: 5 yrs, 90 mill. Most lucrative contract ever for an undrafted player. Are teams overvaluing the 3pt shot?
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$37 million for Olynik to the Pistons.
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Duncan Robinson: 5 yrs, 90 mill. Most lucrative contract ever for an undrafted player. Are teams overvaluing the 3pt shot?
I feel like this is gonna age like the Chandler Parson's contract
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Wow. The Bulls give Lonzo Ball 4yrs, 85 mill?
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Lotta really valuable future expiring contracts being created out there tonight.
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I was a combination of Giannis and Curry but unfortunately was severely undersized. :) Can you imagine a player with their skill-sets?
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PJ Tucker to the Heat, 2 year $15MM
Kyle Lowry to the Heat, and they locked up Jimmy for 4 more years at $184MM.