Big East Poll and NET rankings

[Uncle Rico]

I feel like Cincinnati dropped a line or two the year Kenyon Martin got hurt.

MU82 is correct.  Considerations are different now.  Quite frankly, injured players should matter in seeding

[The Sultan]

I feel like Cincinnati dropped a line or two the year Kenyon Martin got hurt.

They dropped from a #1 to #2.  But that was over 20 years ago, and I the NCAAs policy has changed since.  In fact, I think it changed specifically because of the controversy around Martin's injury.

They lost in the second round that year to a Bill Self coached Tulsa team.

[brewcity77]

What's interesting is that injured players aren't supposed to hurt your seed, but players that return (see also: James Bouknight) are able to improve it. I'll dig in tomorrow, but I expect to knock Nova down a few spots, if only because of the PC loss. I think they land either as a 3 or 4.

[Herman Cain]

NM posted in wrong thread

[The Big East]

Big East NET Rankings as of Games of March 08, 2021
New  Old
11   11   Villanova   
25   25   Creighton   
31   31   UConn   
57   57   Xavier   
58   58   Seton Hall   
68   68   St. John's
77   77   Providence   
86   87   Marquette   
95   95   Georgetown   
118   119   Butler   
165   164   DePaul   

[DoctorV]

It seems pretty certain that MU would have to get the auto-bid to dance, but beating GTown, Nova, and StJ/SH and losing in the final would put Marquette at 16-14 with 11-12 BE record including the BET with a 7-2 finish.

This would also likely put Marquette, depending on margins, in the mid 60s in the NET with a lot of quality wins and possibly make it interesting. St John's got in with a NET in the 70s a few years back.

Fortunately the computers don't adjust for Villanovas injuries so Marquette would get a really solid bump up there. Unfortunately I'm sure the committee would take that W with a grain of salt and Marquette would still be left out.

It would be amazing to even get to the Final on Saturday

[mu_hilltopper]

I'll have what you guys are having.

[DoctorV]

I'll have what you guys are having.

I've been having some intense bubbling guts all morning

[WarriorPride68]

It seems pretty certain that MU would have to get the auto-bid to dance, but beating GTown, Nova, and StJ/SH and losing in the final would put Marquette at 16-14 with 11-12 BE record including the BET with a 7-2 finish.

This would also likely put Marquette, depending on margins, in the mid 60s in the NET with a lot of quality wins and possibly make it interesting. St John's got in with a NET in the 70s a few years back.

Fortunately the computers don't adjust for Villanovas injuries so Marquette would get a really solid bump up there. Unfortunately I'm sure the committee would take that W with a grain of salt and Marquette would still be left out.

It would be amazing to even get to the Final on Saturday

after 7 years of being beatdown, I sincerely appreciate & envy your optimism.

[mug644]

It seems pretty certain that MU would have to get the auto-bid to dance, but beating GTown, Nova, and StJ/SH and losing in the final would put Marquette at 16-14 with 11-12 BE record including the BET with a 7-2 finish.

This would also likely put Marquette, depending on margins, in the mid 60s in the NET with a lot of quality wins and possibly make it interesting. St John's got in with a NET in the 70s a few years back.

Fortunately the computers don't adjust for Villanovas injuries so Marquette would get a really solid bump up there. Unfortunately I'm sure the committee would take that W with a grain of salt and Marquette would still be left out.

It would be amazing to even get to the Final on Saturday

Reading these last few messages, another, opposite thought, occurred to me. MU's season could be over in just a bit over 24 hours. It's been a frustrating, hard-to-take year, but I sure don't want it to end!

[The Lens]

after 7 years of being beatdown, I sincerely appreciate & envy your optimism.

It's not just 7 years...it's our incredibly mediocre Conf Tourney record since 2002 (Made the CUSA Finals).

Since then, I believe we've made the Conf Tourney semis only three times (2008, 2010 and 2019). 

To say we're due is an understatement.

(And yes I know we own the Big East's longest streak for Thursday appearances)

[brewcity77]

It seems pretty certain that MU would have to get the auto-bid to dance, but beating GTown, Nova, and StJ/SH and losing in the final would put Marquette at 16-14 with 11-12 BE record including the BET with a 7-2 finish.

This would also likely put Marquette, depending on margins, in the mid 60s in the NET with a lot of quality wins and possibly make it interesting. St John's got in with a NET in the 70s a few years back.

Marquette has absolutely zero chance of an at-large. The only way into the NCAA tournament is winning on Saturday. Period.

In the past five years, only 5 teams have gone from out to at-large in the final week. None came from further than the first 8 teams out, and Marquette is beyond the 16th team out. Zero shot of at-large. Zero zero zero.

[The Thing]

Marquette has absolutely zero chance of an at-large. The only way into the NCAA tournament is winning on Saturday. Period.

In the past five years, only 5 teams have gone from out to at-large in the final week. None came from further than the first 8 teams out, and Marquette is beyond the 16th team out. Zero shot of at-large. Zero zero zero.

So you're saying there's a chance!

[1318WWells]

Marquette has absolutely zero chance of an at-large. The only way into the NCAA tournament is winning on Saturday. Period.

In the past five years, only 5 teams have gone from out to at-large in the final week. None came from further than the first 8 teams out, and Marquette is beyond the 16th team out. Zero shot of at-large. Zero zero zero.

Comparing this year to past years seems futile. Resumes and results are so uneven. Unlike any year before.

Hope MU might get some credit for playing one of the tougher non-con schedules, avoiding any COVID stoppages of their own, adding a quality non con road game on the fly (and winning), and finishing the year strong.

Make the BET final and see if the committee sets some new precedents in this unprecedented year.

[brewcity77]

Comparing this year to past years seems futile. Resumes and results are so uneven. Unlike any year before.

Hope MU might get some credit for playing one of the tougher non-con schedules, avoiding any COVID stoppages of their own, adding a quality non con road game on the fly (and winning), and finishing the year strong.

Make the BET final and see if the committee sets some new precedents in this unprecedented year.

No chance. The last hope of an at-large ended when they lost to UConn. Maybe they get into the NIT. Maybe. The only way they get into the NCAA is by winning the auto.

[The Big East]

Big East D1 NET Rankings as of games of March 9, 2021
New  Old
11   11   Villanova   
25   25   Creighton   
31   31   UConn   
58   57   Xavier   
59   58   Seton Hall   
67   68   St. John's
77   77   Providence   
87   86   Marquette   
94   95   Georgetown   
117   118   Butler   
165   165   DePaul   

[MarquetteMike1977]

Just having a good scoop week. Maybe I should retire while on top

👍👍 lol Maybe I should of retired as a fan after our Marquette Old Big East Run. But Love MU Basketball and can not.

[WarriorPride68]

Horrid is different than bad. Yet, both don't describe the Big East Conference this year or most likely ever.

Big East is a 3 bid league right now. Least amount of bids of any P6 & tied with Mountain West as a 3 bid league

Big East top seed is currently a 4 seed per lunardi

[The Big East]

Big East NET Rankings as of games of March 11, 2021

New  Old
17   12   Villanova   
20   25   Creighton   
28   31   UConn   
55   58   Seton Hall   
60   62   Xavier   
68   66   St. John's
81   85   Georgetown   
84   81   Providence
92   92   Marquette
120   113   Butler
161   152   DePaul

[MarquetteMike1977]

As bad as Marquette's season has been there are only 5 teams outside the Top NET 37 with 4 or more QUAD 1 Wins and Marquette is one of them.

[BrewCity83]

Big East NET Rankings as of games of March 11, 2021

New  Old
17   12   Villanova   
20   25   Creighton   
28   31   UConn   
55   58   Seton Hall   
60   62   Xavier   
68   66   St. John's
81   85   Georgetown   
84   81   Providence
92   92   Marquette
120   113   Butler
161   152   DePaul

That looks fishy...how does Creighton climb 5 spots just by beating  a sub-100 Butler?  And how does UConn gain at all by beating DePaul?

[rocky_warrior]

That looks fishy...how does Creighton climb 5 spots just by beating  a sub-100 Butler?  And how does UConn gain at all by beating DePaul?

I suspect the winning margins (both blowouts) created the changes.

[brewcity77]

That looks fishy...how does Creighton climb 5 spots just by beating  a sub-100 Butler?  And how does UConn gain at all by beating DePaul?

NET changes seem to be almost entirely predicated on victory margins. Win by more than the system expects & you go up. Win by a lot more, go up a lot.

[Herman Cain]

Big East NET Rankings as of games of March 12,2021
17   20   Creighton   
19   17   Villanova   
30   28   UConn   
57   55   Seton Hall      
59   60   Xavier   
69   68   St. John's
76   81   Georgetown   
81   84   Providence   
92   92   Marquette   
123   120   Butler   
163   161   DePaul   

[Dr. Blackheart]

NET changes seem to be almost entirely predicated on victory margins. Win by more than the system expects & you go up. Win by a lot more, go up a lot.

Yep. It's a pretty flawed system.