Big East Poll and NET rankings

[The Sultan]

UAPB really doesn't. They were underdogs and forcing OT probably helped them. Green Bay was a favorite and winning would've given them the chance to win again and improve our NET. Though ultimately, I doubt it has much impact.

Less than 24 hours after UWGB's loss, their two top scorers (Amari Davis and Josh Jefferson) entered the transfer portal.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Less than 24 hours after UWGB's loss, their two top scorers (Amari Davis and Josh Jefferson) entered the transfer portal.

That happened prior to the game. Neither played. They also had three other players enter the portal at the same time. Getting Baby BOned?

[The Sultan]

That happened prior to the game. Neither played. They also had three other players enter the portal at the same time. Getting Baby BOned?

Really?  I only heard about it after the loss, so I assumed it was right after.  I think Will is in for a couple of rough years.

[ATL MU Warrior]

That happened prior to the game. Neither played. They also had three other players enter the portal at the same time. Getting Baby BOned?

Were any of them their guards that played so well against us?  Granted, that's the only 40 minutes of UWGB basketball I watched this year, but my recollection is that their guards were pretty darn good, albeit smallish.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Were any of them their guards that played so well against us?  Granted, that's the only 40 minutes of UWGB basketball I watched this year, but my recollection is that their guards were pretty darn good, albeit smallish.

One of them played well against us. Josh Jefferson had 17 points, 5 rebounds, 6 assists, 1 turnover but was 3/9 from 2 and 3/11 from 3 so he needed a lot of shots for those 17 points. Amari Davis did not play as well against us, 7 points, 3 rebounds, 1 assist, 2 turnovers, 2/8 from 2 and 0/1 from 3.

I would not hate picking up Josh Jefferson. He's 6'2 190, has an assist rate of 21.5 (334th in D1) a TO% of 13.6 (359th), and is a capable 3P shooter (34%). I could see him being a very capable ball controlling backup PG.

Davis I don't see translating to the high major level as well. Some high major will likely take a flier on him but I wouldn't expect him to be a major contributor.

[ATL MU Warrior]

One of them played well against us. Josh Jefferson had 17 points, 5 rebounds, 6 assists, 1 turnover but was 3/9 from 2 and 3/11 from 3 so he needed a lot of shots for those 17 points. Amari Davis did not play as well against us, 7 points, 3 rebounds, 1 assist, 2 turnovers, 2/8 from 2 and 0/1 from 3.

I would not hate picking up Josh Jefferson. He's 6'2 190, has an assist rate of 21.5 (334th in D1) a TO% of 13.6 (359th), and is a capable 3P shooter (34%). I could see him being a very capable ball controlling backup PG.

Davis I don't see translating to the high major level as well. Some high major will likely take a flier on him but I wouldn't expect him to be a major contributor.

Thanks for reply.  I guess my memory is not good...I thought I remembered one of their guards going off from three on us.

[brewcity77]

Thanks for reply.  I guess my memory is not good...I thought I remembered one of their guards going off from three on us.

Probably remembering PJ Pipes, who went 4/10 from 3, 8/15 overall, and led the Phoenix with 22 points, but he's a senior. No idea his future plans.

[ATL MU Warrior]

Probably remembering PJ Pipes, who went 4/10 from 3, 8/15 overall, and led the Phoenix with 22 points, but he's a senior. No idea his future plans.

That's the one.  Thanks! 

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

UAPB really doesn't. They were underdogs and forcing OT probably helped them. Green Bay was a favorite and winning would've given them the chance to win again and improve our NET. Though ultimately, I doubt it has much impact.

Yeah, I just don't see how NET is even relevant at this point.  Its win the BET or bust for Marquette.  Its not like Marquette has a chance of getting in at 8-11, even with a run to the BET final.  If anything, we should be rooting for results that get Nova the #2 seed so someone else can beat them and we don't have to play them in the 2nd round, if we're lucky enough to win next Wednesday.. 

[brewcity77]

Yeah, I just don't see how NET is even relevant at this point.  Its win the BET or bust for Marquette.  Its not like Marquette has a chance of getting in at 8-11, even with a run to the BET final.  If anything, we should be rooting for results that get Nova the #2 seed so someone else can beat them and we don't have to play them in the 2nd round, if we're lucky enough to win next Wednesday..

My hope is for a blowout win tonight to get us to the top-75 of NET. Not for us, but for the resumes of the rest of our league.

[MU82]

My hope is for a blowout win tonight to get us to the top-75 of NET. Not for us, but for the resumes of the rest of our league.

My hope is for a blowout win tonight because I'd like to see us thrash DePaul within an inch of their lives.

[MarquetteMike1977]

Just checked today's updated NET Marquette # 88 but MU has 4 Quad 1 Wins. Nobody outside of the Top NET 46 has more than 4 Quad 1 Wins.

[MuggsyB]

Just checked today's updated NET Marquette # 88 but MU has 4 Quad 1 Wins. Nobody outside of the Top NET 46 has more than 4 Quad 1 Wins.

What's the 4th quad 1 win?  We could make the NIT with 2 more wins but I doubt it.

[MarquetteMike1977]

What's the 4th quad 1 win?  We could make the NIT with 2 more wins but I doubt it.

Not sure but believe our 4th Quad 1 Win was Saint John's NET 74 on the road as defeating a Top 75 NET team on the road qualifies as a Quad 1 Win. Agree with 2 more wins we could maybe make the NIT.

[MarquetteMike1977]

Marquette, Michigan State, Minnesota and Stanford are the 4 Teams with 4 Quad 1 Wins Outside the Top 46 NET.

[The Big East]

 Big East NET rankings as of March 2, 2021

New Old
11   11   Villanova   
23   23   Creighton   
34   35   UConn   
52   53   Seton Hall   
53   50   Xavier   
74   73   St. John's
79   79   Providence   
88   88   Marquette   
89   96   Georgetown   
114   116   Butler   
167   166   DePaul

[UWW2MU]

Crazy to think that if just a few little things went a little differently that we'd be sitting decently on the bubble.  Say if the vs DePaul, @Prov, and @Xavier were wins (which they all easily could have been), this would be a real solid resume for the bubble.

Despite how poorly we've played, it's only a few turnovers or a couple missed shots away from dancing... which I find astounding.   

[Galway Eagle]

Crazy to think that if just a few little things went a little differently that we'd be sitting decently on the bubble.  Say if the vs DePaul, @Prov, and @Xavier were wins (which they all easily could have been), this would be a real solid resume for the bubble.

Despite how poorly we've played, it's only a few turnovers or a couple missed shots away from dancing... which I find astounding.

Could probably add Seton Hall 1 on there when Koby traveled on the tie making shot.

Of course there's the inverse where we don't win against Wisconsin and we're even farther away from the bubble.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Crazy to think that if just a few little things went a little differently that we'd be sitting decently on the bubble.  Say if the vs DePaul, @Prov, and @Xavier were wins (which they all easily could have been), this would be a real solid resume for the bubble.

Despite how poorly we've played, it's only a few turnovers or a couple missed shots away from dancing... which I find astounding.

For me it's more about Lewis' injury. Gotta think a healthy Justin would have made a difference in the losses to SJU, Creighton,  and at Hall.  But it's a roster construction problem when an injury to your sixth man leaves you so shorthanded that you drop as many games as we did.

[hairy worthen]

Crazy to think that if just a few little things went a little differently that we'd be sitting decently on the bubble.  Say if the vs DePaul, @Prov, and @Xavier were wins (which they all easily could have been), this would be a real solid resume for the bubble.

Despite how poorly we've played, it's only a few turnovers or a couple missed shots away from dancing... which I find astounding.

Well just about every team can say that. If you are going to look at games they could have won, then you have to look at games they could have lost, it usually evens out

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Crazy to think that if just a few little things went a little differently that we'd be sitting decently on the bubble.  Say if the vs DePaul, @Prov, and @Xavier were wins (which they all easily could have been), this would be a real solid resume for the bubble.

Despite how poorly we've played, it's only a few turnovers or a couple missed shots away from dancing... which I find astounding.

Yeah, honestly don't even need the @PC game.  Beat Depaul, and don't have that kid hit a prayer at the buzzer @X, and Marquette is 13-10 and very much in the bubble conversation. 

[Silent Verbal]

Crazy to think that if just a few little things went a little differently that we'd be sitting decently on the bubble.  Say if the vs DePaul, @Prov, and @Xavier were wins (which they all easily could have been), this would be a real solid resume for the bubble.

Despite how poorly we've played, it's only a few turnovers or a couple missed shots away from dancing... which I find astounding.

It's not astounding at all.  That's sports.  If we hadn't been completely lucky on the Lewis tip, we wouldn't have beat Wisconsin.  If Zegarowski hadn't shot himself in the d!ck the first time we played Creighton, that would also likely have been a loss.  And there go our two best wins.

Not astounding at all.  Over the course of a season, things tend to even out and you are what you are.

[bilsu]

It's not astounding at all.  That's sports.  If we hadn't been completely lucky on the Lewis tip, we wouldn't have beat Wisconsin.  If Zegarowski hadn't shot himself in the d!ck the first time we played Creighton, that would also likely have been a loss.  And there go our two best wins.

Not astounding at all.  Over the course of a season, things tend to even out and you are what you are.

I think the overall point is that unless you are really good the season is going to fall on the outcome of a few games. Be on the right side of those games like Buzz's second team, which won three straight overtime games or on the wrong side like Buzz' last team. I forget how many teams that 17-15 team lost in overtime and some of them were double overtimes.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Were any of them their guards that played so well against us?  Granted, that's the only 40 minutes of UWGB basketball I watched this year, but my recollection is that their guards were pretty darn good, albeit smallish.

Probably remembering PJ Pipes, who went 4/10 from 3, 8/15 overall, and led the Phoenix with 22 points, but he's a senior. No idea his future plans.

Good news ATL. Pipes has now also entered the transfer portal. Don't like him as much as Jefferson personally, but making 2.4 threes a game with 41% accuracy likely gets you a spot somewhere on a high major roster.

[PGsHeroes32]

It's not astounding at all.  That's sports.  If we hadn't been completely lucky on the Lewis tip, we wouldn't have beat Wisconsin.  If Zegarowski hadn't shot himself in the d!ck the first time we played Creighton, that would also likely have been a loss.  And there go our two best wins.

Not astounding at all.  Over the course of a season, things tend to even out and you are what you are.

That Wisconsin game game was back and forth the entire game. Sure, just like a lot of the losses that we could have won. This is a game that we "could have lost" but we sure as hell were not lucky to win it.

Creighton. Meh. We had a shot to tie them at home as well. Again, could be 0-2 against them. But it wasn't some egregious fluke.

The moral of all this is. Even with how blatantly flawed and overall blahhhh this team is. Weve really not matched up with two teams(Nova and UConn). Everything else has been competitive. Like really competitive.

And that is actually astounding, because we really are not good. But if Lewis was healthy its reasonable to believe a couple of 1 possession losses go our way. Which is more reasonable then you saying we are lucky because Creightons guy actually played and authored his own fate into to the ground. THat argument works better if Zagarowski was out.