Big East Poll and NET rankings

[The Big East]

Big East Poll Rankings as of February 22,2021

AP
8. Villanova
13. Creighton
Coaches
6. Villanova
11. Creighton
Others Receiving Votes
U Conn Seton Hall

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Anyone know what a reasonable guess at our ranking would be if we beat UNC Wednesday?

I think we’d jump to high 70s low 80s with two Ws this week. While they’re both attainable wins, I think there’s very little chance that actually happens. But may as well enjoy the sliver of hope while it lasts. Opening Day still 5 weeks away!

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Anyone know what a reasonable guess at our ranking would be if we beat UNC Wednesday?

It depends. Squeak out a 1 point win? Maybe a 5-10 spot jump. Come out of nowhere and beat them down by 20? Could be 20+ spot jump.

The other thing to keep in mind is that we only know NET rankings, we don't actually know what our NET score is since the formula hasn't been released and I don't believe anyone has reverse engineered it yet. Theoretically, there could be 40 teams ahead of us tied for 60th and one win could cause a massive jump. Or there could be a massive gap between us and #99 and win doesn't even move us 1 spot in the rankings.

[The Big East]

Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 22, 2021
New  Old
10   10   Villanova   
25   25   Creighton   
50   50   Xavier   
51   49   Seton Hall   
55   54   UConn
76   75   St. John's
90   88   Providence   
97   96   Georgetown   
100   100   Marquette   
142   143   Butler   
160   159   DePaul   

[MarquetteMike1977]

Marquette’s BPI is 82 today

[bilsu]

 Does MU scheduling UNC and losing by double digits hurt all the other Big East teams Net ranking?

[brewcity77]

Does MU scheduling UNC and losing by double digits hurt all the other Big East teams Net ranking?

Yes. Keep it to 7-8 or better and it probably helps. 9-10 or worse and it hurts. The amount it hurts other teams depends on how bad the loss is and how many times we play them.

[The Big East]

Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 23,2021
New  Old
10   10   Villanova   
24   25   Creighton   
46   55   UConn   
51   51   Seton Hall   
52   50   Xavier   
79   76   St. John's
88   90   Providence   
100   100   Marquette   
103   97   Georgetown   
143   142   Butler   
159   160   DePaul   

[MarquetteMike1977]

NET Guesses I will go with 89

[DoctorV]

I’ll go with 86

[brewcity77]

83

[The Big East]

Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 24, 2021
New  Old
8   10   Villanova   
20   24   Creighton   
41   46   UConn   
54   51   Seton Hall   
59   52   Xavier   
77   79   St. John's
80   88   Providence   
86   100   Marquette   
99   103   Georgetown   
130   143   Butler
161   159   DePaul   

[MU82]

I’ll go with 86

Chicken Dinner!

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Just keep winning.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

DePaul back down to Q4 status.

Best thing for the conference would be for St. John's, Providence, Marquette, and DePaul to keep winning.

[Galway Eagle]

DePaul back down to Q4 status.

Best thing for the conference would be for St. John's, Providence, Marquette, and DePaul to keep winning.

Is that also the best thing for us? Seems like we're competing with them to create an extra bid for the conference

[MarquetteMike1977]

I’ll go with 86

Nice do You have a NET computer 👍

[DoctorV]

I think the best thing in conference for MU, outside of the obvious of winning the next three and finishing 9-10 in conference, would be to jump ahead of Georgetown, Butler, Providence, St John’s, and X in the standings before the BET.

That would leave Marquette in the 5th seed behind Nova, CU, SH, UConn. At the end of the day options matter, just like numbers do, and I don’t think Marquette will even be in the at large convo with a 6 seed or lower in a 4/5 bid conference.

I also still find it hard to believe that the BE doesn’t get at the very least 4 bids, and MUs win last night helped with that. I think the easiest to “fall off” is X because of so few games played. They are currently .500 with CU, Gtown and MU left. If they split the next two and Marquette beats them on the final Matchday to finish off the end of the season winning streak then Marquette definitely jumps ahead of them in the pecking order imo (MU would be 9-10 and have a better winning percentage than 6-7 X and higher seed).

As for Providence and St John’s- they play each other next so one goes to 8-10. St J then plays SH and Providence then plays Nova. I think the best scenario here is that the Friars win the head to head and then hopefully lose to Nova. They can both finish up 9-10 and I have no idea on the tie breakers, both were season splits.

As an aside- Gtown play at DePaul on Saturday. I know this probably seems wild but MU should try to convince them to come up to mke on Sunday. Both would be playing B2b games and Marquette after flying back from the east coast but desperate times call for desperate measures!

[DoctorV]

Nice do You have a NET computer 👍

Just having a good scoop week. Maybe I should retire while on top

[Galway Eagle]

I think the best thing in conference for MU, outside of the obvious of winning the next three and finishing 9-10 in conference, would be to jump ahead of Georgetown, Butler, Providence, St John’s, and X in the standings before the BET.

That would leave Marquette in the 5th seed behind Nova, CU, SH, UConn. At the end of the day options matter, just like numbers do, and I don’t think Marquette will even be in the at large convo with a 6 seed or lower in a 4/5 bid conference.

I also still find it hard to believe that the BE doesn’t get at the very least 4 bids, and MUs win last night helped with that. I think the easiest to “fall off” is X because of so few games played. They are currently .500 with CU, Gtown and MU left. If they split the next two and Marquette beats them on the final Matchday to finish off the end of the season winning streak then Marquette definitely jumps ahead of them in the pecking order imo (MU would be 9-10 and have a better winning percentage than 6-7 X and higher seed).

As for Providence and St John’s- they play each other next so one goes to 8-10. St J then plays SH and Providence then plays Nova. I think the best scenario here is that the Friars win the head to head and then hopefully lose to Nova. They can both finish up 9-10 and I have no idea on the tie breakers, both were season splits.

As an aside- Gtown play at DePaul on Saturday. I know this probably seems wild but MU should try to convince them to come up to mke on Sunday. Both would be playing B2b games and Marquette after flying back from the east coast but desperate times call for desperate measures!

I sort of agree with the GTown thing. I mean if Wojo truly thinks they have an outside shot at a bid then he needs to be pressuring everybody and their mother (Scholl, GTown AD, Ewing, Val) to get that game made up. If he doesn't believe we have a shot well then I hope he gets a pink slip.

[cheebs09]

I sort of agree with the GTown thing. I mean if Wojo truly thinks they have an outside shot at a bid then he needs to be pressuring everybody and their mother (Scholl, GTown AD, Ewing, Val) to get that game made up. If he doesn't believe we have a shot well then I hope he gets a pink slip.

Does that Georgetown game move the needle any? I don’t think a win moves us up any. The only difference would be a cosmetic one of conference record. I don’t think the committee really looks at that though.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

I sort of agree with the GTown thing. I mean if Wojo truly thinks they have an outside shot at a bid then he needs to be pressuring everybody and their mother (Scholl, GTown AD, Ewing, Val) to get that game made up. If he doesn't believe we have a shot well then I hope he gets a pink slip.

Wojo definitely thinks they have a shot. Honestly, at 9-10 (which on paper is fairly attainable if we can find a win on Saturday), I am not really sure how you leave Marquette out with their wins.  They're going to have more Q1 wins than the vast majority of the field.  I don't think they play that UNC game if Wojo doesn't think they have a shot. I was hoping Ben Steele was going to ask a question to Wojo last night in the presser about if he thinks they can get themselves back in the convo.  Wojo wouldn't have answered it with anything more than platitudes but it would have been interesting. 

I also still find it hard to believe that the BE doesn’t get at the very least 4 bids, and MUs win last night helped with that. I think the easiest to “fall off” is X because of so few games played. They are currently .500 with CU, Gtown and MU left. If they split the next two and Marquette beats them on the final Matchday to finish off the end of the season winning streak then Marquette definitely jumps ahead of them in the pecking order imo (MU would be 9-10 and have a better winning percentage than 6-7 X and higher seed).

As an aside- Gtown play at DePaul on Saturday. I know this probably seems wild but MU should try to convince them to come up to mke on Sunday. Both would be playing B2b games and Marquette after flying back from the east coast but desperate times call for desperate measures!

I am not as in tune with the bubble this season as I usually am, but I think the 5 bids is the floor for the Big East. 6 more likely than 4 IMO. 

And definitely agreed on the Gtown game.  Problem is, Gtown is scheduled to play Xavier at home on Tuesday and Marquette @Depaul on Tuesday.  However, Depaul is done after their game with Marquette next Tuesday.  It would require some shifting, but the only way this would work is the Marquette/Depaul game gets pushed to Wednesday or Thursday.  Gtown's game with X also gets pushed to Thursday.  After Gtown plays @Depaul this Saturday, they come to Milwaukee to play MU on Monday. 

Marquette:
Sat @ UCONN
Mon vs. Gtown
Wed / THU @ Depaul
Sat v. Xavier

Gtown
Sat @ Depaul
Mon @ Marquette
Wed / Thu vs. X
Sat @ UCONN

Depaul
Sat vs. Gtown
Wed / Thu vs. Marquette

Doable, but a definite gauntlet for Marquette and Gtown with 4 games in 7 days.  But no back to backs. 

[Galway Eagle]

Does that Georgetown game move the needle any? I don’t think a win moves us up any. The only difference would be a cosmetic one of conference record. I don’t think the committee really looks at that though.

I think I just have that old mindset of get to .500 in the Big East and you're in. Forgot Buzz proved that wrong his last year and Wojo his 4th year.

So never mind.

[drewm88]

Does that Georgetown game move the needle any? I don’t think a win moves us up any. The only difference would be a cosmetic one of conference record. I don’t think the committee really looks at that though.

TRank agrees. https://barttorvik.com/teamcast.php?team=Marquette&year=2021

[Galway Eagle]

TRank agrees. https://barttorvik.com/teamcast.php?team=Marquette&year=2021

So even winning out with or without GTown we're not in. Shame.