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Re: Big East Poll and NET rankings
« Reply #250 on: March 03, 2021, 11:26:10 PM »
I’d say all of these losses were hanging in the balance in the final minutes (UCONN pulled away but that was an 18 point blown lead).

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I’d count maybe 3 close ones that were teetering in the final minutes that went our way. So, of the 15 “close” games, we only came away with 3 of them. That’s a problem.

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Re: Big East Poll and NET rankings
« Reply #251 on: March 04, 2021, 06:32:27 AM »
Big East NET rankings as of games of March 3, 2021
New  Old
10   11   Villanova   
25   23   Creighton   
33   34   UConn   
53   53   Xavier   
56   52   Seton Hall   
69   74   St. John's
82   79   Providence   
89   88   Marquette   
91   89   Georgetown   
113   114   Butler   
167   167   DePaul   

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Re: Big East Poll and NET rankings
« Reply #252 on: March 04, 2021, 11:56:17 AM »
I’d say all of these losses were hanging in the balance in the final minutes (UCONN pulled away but that was an 18 point blown lead).

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I’d count maybe 3 close ones that were teetering in the final minutes that went our way. So, of the 15 “close” games, we only came away with 3 of them. That’s a problem.

Losing close games is usually a reflection of 3 things (IMHO):

1. Poor coaching.

2. Lack of a "closer" on the team.

3. Bad luck.

I'd say we had/have a combination of all three.

Kunkel has turned out to be a mediocre-at-best player but against us he hit everything, including the winner that he literally threw in from 30 feet. That was extraordinarily bad luck. Probably a couple others can be in that category, too. Of course, the win over Wisconsin has to go into the good luck pile - first, a borderline foul call, then Justin's tip-in - so maybe they cancel each other out.

DJ is the nearest we have to a closer, but he is not the most consistent player in the land. We certainly have nothing close to a proven go-to guy in the clutch.

As for point No. 1 ... nuff said.
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Re: Big East Poll and NET rankings
« Reply #253 on: March 04, 2021, 04:38:00 PM »
Just checked today’s updated NET Marquette # 89 but MU has 4 Quad 1 Wins. Nobody outside of the Top NET 39 has more than 4 Quad 1 Wins.

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Re: Big East Poll and NET rankings
« Reply #254 on: March 04, 2021, 04:53:22 PM »
Losing close games is usually a reflection of 3 things (IMHO):

1. Poor coaching.

2. Lack of a "closer" on the team.

3. Bad luck.

I'd say we had/have a combination of all three.

Kunkel has turned out to be a mediocre-at-best player but against us he hit everything, including the winner that he literally threw in from 30 feet. That was extraordinarily bad luck. Probably a couple others can be in that category, too. Of course, the win over Wisconsin has to go into the good luck pile - first, a borderline foul call, then Justin's tip-in - so maybe they cancel each other out.

DJ is the nearest we have to a closer, but he is not the most consistent player in the land. We certainly have nothing close to a proven go-to guy in the clutch.

As for point No. 1 ... nuff said.

Mike

Pomeroy has us ranked as the 222nd “luckiest” team out of 357 - IOW, a little more unlucky than average.

I agree with Pomeroy that we’ve been a little unlucky. I also agree with you that coaching and the lack of a closer has made us a little more prone to “bad luck”.
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Re: Big East Poll and NET rankings
« Reply #255 on: March 04, 2021, 06:37:22 PM »
Marquette’s Standard Pomeroy Rating  is 76 and Our BPI is 76 too today.

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Re: Big East Poll and NET rankings
« Reply #256 on: March 04, 2021, 06:41:11 PM »
Marquette’s Standard Pomeroy Rating  is 76 and Our BPI is 76 too today.

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Re: Big East Poll and NET rankings
« Reply #257 on: March 04, 2021, 07:35:50 PM »
Mike

Pomeroy has us ranked as the 222nd “luckiest” team out of 357 - IOW, a little more unlucky than average.

I agree with Pomeroy that we’ve been a little unlucky. I also agree with you that coaching and the lack of a closer has made us a little more prone to “bad luck”.

We are totally in agreement here, Tony.
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Re: Big East Poll and NET rankings
« Reply #258 on: March 04, 2021, 07:58:47 PM »
Big East NET rankings as of games of March 3, 2021
New  Old
10   11   Villanova   
25   23   Creighton   
33   34   UConn   
53   53   Xavier   
56   52   Seton Hall   
69   74   St. John's
82   79   Providence   
89   88   Marquette   
91   89   Georgetown   
113   114   Butler   
167   167   DePaul

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Re: Big East Poll and NET rankings
« Reply #259 on: March 05, 2021, 01:50:02 AM »
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Re: Big East Poll and NET rankings
« Reply #260 on: March 05, 2021, 10:23:47 AM »
Big East NET Rankings as of games of March 4,2021
New  Old
10   10   Villanova   
26   25   Creighton   
32   33   UConn   
53   53   Xavier   
57   56   Seton Hall   
69   69   St. John's
83   82   Providence   
90   89   Marquette   
91   91   Georgetown   
115   113   Butler   
167   167   DePaul   

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Re: Big East Poll and NET rankings
« Reply #261 on: March 05, 2021, 11:02:40 AM »
Marquette Ranks #64 in DRatings

With all the best sites within the same range on their point estimates, this begs to question the accuracy of the NET ratings which has MU at 90. Personally, I think it is very positively biased toward the large conference B1G in the shortened COVID year, whereas the smaller BE gets hosed especially with so many games cancelled.

Don't get me wrong about thinking MU is a bubble team, but teams like Indiana, MSU, Stanford and Duke are not bubble teams by quality but they are in the mix by conference. I would hope that in this year the conversation is deeper but I doubt it. The NET fails in my book and is the worst of all the statistical rankings. C19 exposed it.

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Re: Big East Poll and NET rankings
« Reply #262 on: March 05, 2021, 12:08:50 PM »
Marquette ranks #63 in Sagarin.
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Re: Big East Poll and NET rankings
« Reply #263 on: March 05, 2021, 01:19:31 PM »
With all the best sites within the same range on their point estimates, this begs to question the accuracy of the NET ratings which has MU at 90. Personally, I think it is very positively biased toward the large conference B1G in the shortened COVID year, whereas the smaller BE gets hosed especially with so many games cancelled.

Don't get me wrong about thinking MU is a bubble team, but teams like Indiana, MSU, Stanford and Duke are not bubble teams by quality but they are in the mix by conference. I would hope that in this year the conversation is deeper but I doubt it. The NET fails in my book and is the worst of all the statistical rankings. C19 exposed it.

Who knows how much home court is factored in either. We were relatively poor against average teams (Q2) at the Fiserv this year. Meanwhile Minnesota didn’t win a road but took care of business at home and are way ahead in NET. NET really shouldn’t be used much this year. 

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Re: Big East Poll and NET rankings
« Reply #264 on: March 06, 2021, 07:35:01 AM »
Big East NET rankings as of games of March 5, 2021
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10   10   Villanova   
26   26   Creighton   
32   32   UConn   
52   53   Xavier   
57   57   Seton Hall   
68   69   St. John's
83   83   Providence
91   90   Marquette   
92   91   Georgetown   
115   115   Butler   
165   167   DePaul   

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« Reply #265 on: March 07, 2021, 07:31:47 AM »
Big East NET Rankings as of Games of March 6,2021
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11   10   Villanova   
24   26   Creighton   
31   32   UConn   
56   52   Xavier   
57   57   Seton Hall   
67   68   St. John's
76   83   Providence   
87   91   Marquette   
95   92   Georgetown   
118   115   Butler   
165   165   DePaul   

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Re: Big East Poll and NET rankings
« Reply #266 on: March 07, 2021, 09:07:46 AM »
Top 90, baby!
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Big East Tournament and NET rankings as of games of March 7, 2021
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11   11   Villanova   
25   24   Creighton   
31   31   UConn   
57   56   Xavier   
58   57   Seton Hall   
68   67   St. John's
77   76   Providence   
87   87   Marquette   
95   95   Georgetown   
119   118   Butler   
164   165   DePaul   

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Re: Big East Poll and NET rankings
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Big East Poll Rankings as of March 8,2021
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17. Creighton
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Re: Big East Poll and NET rankings
« Reply #269 on: March 08, 2021, 12:59:36 PM »
how far does the seed for Nova drop?

I'd guess a couple lines if the committee factors in Gillespie being out.
Not mentioning the status of Justin Moore's ankle injury.

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« Reply #270 on: March 08, 2021, 01:02:43 PM »
how far does the seed for Nova drop?

I'd guess a couple lines if the committee factors in Gillespie being out.
Not mentioning the status of Justin Moore's ankle injury.

Seeding isn't supposed to work like that. It doesn't matter if Nova isn't as good without Gillespie/Moore. What matters is what seed does their resume earn them.
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Re: Big East Poll and NET rankings
« Reply #271 on: March 08, 2021, 01:05:45 PM »
Seeding isn't supposed to work like that. It doesn't matter if Nova isn't as good without Gillespie/Moore. What matters is what seed does their resume earn them.

I feel like Cincinnati dropped a line or two the year Kenyon Martin got hurt.

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« Reply #272 on: March 08, 2021, 01:09:52 PM »
Seeding isn't supposed to work like that. It doesn't matter if Nova isn't as good without Gillespie/Moore. What matters is what seed does their resume earn them.

Any word on severity of Moore's injury?  Any chance he plays in the BET?
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« Reply #273 on: March 08, 2021, 01:13:54 PM »
Any word on severity of Moore's injury?  Any chance he plays in the BET?

VUHoops seems to think he is out. Wright said that the ankle injury was "very serious"
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Re: Big East Poll and NET rankings
« Reply #274 on: March 08, 2021, 01:14:21 PM »
I feel like Cincinnati dropped a line or two the year Kenyon Martin got hurt.

I believe that, back then, they considered things like injuries, play in last 10 games, etc. Supposedly they don't consider that stuff now.
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