General Big East Thread 20-21

[MuggsyB]

Giant win for Xavier. They will be in the NCAA Tournament barring they crap out versus Georgetown and Marquette next week.

They certainly helped themselves but I still think they have work to do.

[Johnny B]

creighton is not that good tbh. could be first round bye bye

[MuggsyB]

Nova looks awful at Hinkle.  I assume they will blow them out in the 2nd half but this can't make Jay Wright happy.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Nova looks awful at Hinkle.  I assume they will blow them out in the 2nd half but this can't make Jay Wright happy.

Amazing what a good defense (Butler third in BE can do for a crappy team. If there is any bigger indictment of Wojo is his defensive scheme and how Jordan can have his less talented team ahead of MU based on defense alone.

[MuggsyB]

Amazing what a good defense (Butler third in BE can do for a crappy team. If there is any bigger indictment of Wojo is his defensive scheme and how Jordan can have his less talented team ahead of MU based on defense alone.

I strongly agree with you Dr. B.  Butler is also doing this without Thompson.  Amazing performance thus far. 

[BCHoopster]

It's about making shots, and Butler has some shooters, as well as defending the 3, which MU does not

[MuggsyB]

Whoa....did you see that flop tech foul???  Crazy call.

[MuggsyB]

I have to say....Gillespie gets away with a lot of garbage.  Constantly pushes off and can be a total heck.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Whoa....did you see that flop tech foul???  Crazy call.

Horrible call.

[MarquetteMike1977]

Butler 73 Villanova 61 10 seconds left

[MarquetteMike1977]

Butler 73 Villanova 61 Final

[Uncle Rico]

Villanova's defense is pretty "meh".  Can see them getting bounced on the first weekend.

[Billy Hoyle]

Villanova's defense is pretty "meh".  Can see them getting bounced on the first weekend.

Ice cold from three too and way too dependent upon it.

[Uncle Rico]

Ice cold from three too and way too dependent upon it.

Yup, 38% of their scoring comes from it.  They don't get to the line at all. 

[MarquetteMike1977]

Marquette's victories against Villanova occurred when Villanova was cold from outside.

[MarquetteMike1977]

Not sure but I feel it was good for MU when Markus was on the NCAA board. I feel it is bad for MU that Butler's Barry Collier is on the current NCAA board with no term limits.

[bilsu]

Villanova's defense is pretty "meh".  Can see them getting bounced on the first weekend.

When they were trouncing us a couple of weeks ago, I did not think they were a great team. As soon as they have a so so shooting night they will get beat in NCAA tournament. I think the Big East in total will not win more than 3 NCAA games.

[Uncle Rico]

When they were trouncing us a couple of weeks ago, I did not think they were a great team. As soon as they have a so so shooting night they will get beat in NCAA tournament. I think the Big East in total will not win more than 3 NCAA games.

Wouldn't surprise me.  The league is pretty weak.  Losing Chris Mack and Chris Holtmann hurt the league.  Their replacements haven't been as good. 

[MU82]

Amazing what a good defense (Butler third in BE can do for a crappy team. If there is any bigger indictment of Wojo is his defensive scheme and how Jordan can have his less talented team ahead of MU based on defense alone.

Jordan is obviously better than Wojo. That's why he has lost 5 of his last 6 to Wojo, 4 of them blowouts, including a 100-point loss less than 2 weeks ago.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Jordan is obviously better than Wojo. That's why he has lost 5 of his last 6 to Wojo, 4 of them blowouts, including a 100-point loss less than 2 weeks ago.

Of course that is not what I said but have at it.

Butler obviously had worse talent than MU and maybe DePaul. But Wojo has been abysmal the 2nd time through the BE as his team doesn't improve as the season goes on. Yet, Butler, with injuries to Thompson and Nze continues to improve and compete by playing good defense. Meanwhile, MU is 1-6 the 2nd time through and counting. The third straight year of dives.

There is no good reason talent-wise why Butler is ahead of MU in the standings. You are smart enough to figure out the rest.

[MU82]

Of course that is not what I said but have at it.

Butler obviously had worse talent than MU and maybe DePaul. But Wojo has been abysmal the 2nd time through the BE as his team doesn't improve as the season goes on. Yet, Butler, with injuries to Thompson and Nze continues to improve and compete by playing good defense. Meanwhile, MU is 1-6 the 2nd time through and counting. The third straight year of dives.

There is no good reason talent-wise why Butler is ahead of MU in the standings. You are smart enough to figure out the rest.

You know who Wojo killed his second time through? Jordan! And he did so without Lewis (and Lewis' backup).

Obviously, saying Wojo's body of work is better than Jordan's is damning with the faintest praise.
To say I'm not impressed with either would be insulting the word "unimpressed."

And who's fault is it that Butler has little talent?

Oh, and I'd have fired Wojo 5 weeks ago.

[Dr. Blackheart]

You know who Wojo killed his second time through? Jordan! And he did so without Lewis (and Lewis' backup).

Obviously, saying Wojo's body of work is better than Jordan's is damning with the faintest praise.
To say I'm not impressed with either would be insulting the word "unimpressed."

And who's fault is it that Butler has little talent?

Oh, and I'd have fired Wojo 5 weeks ago.

So what's your point besides being obtuse?

[MU82]

So what's your point besides being obtuse?

You compared Jordan and Wojo. I simply pointed out that, head-to-head, Wojo has killed Jordan.

If I misread the intent of your post, management regrets the error.

[JWags85]

You compared Jordan and Wojo. I simply pointed out that, head-to-head, Wojo has killed Jordan.

If I misread the intent of your post, management regrets the error.

He hasn't killed him. He was 3-3 vs Wojo into this year.  Marquette has played well against them this year somehow, but it's not like Wojo has Jordan's number overwhelmingly.

[MU82]

He hasn't killed him. He was 3-3 vs Wojo into this year.  Marquette has played well against them this year somehow, but it's not like Wojo has Jordan's number overwhelmingly.

Wojo has won 5 of the last 6 matchups. 4 of the wins were by 18, 10, 19 and 16 points. The one close win, MU had a huge lead most of the game before Butler rallied late. The one loss was in OT. I'd call that domination - or darn close to it - over a 3-year stretch.

But yes, in Jordan's first season, playing entirely with Holtmann's players, he went 2-0 against Wojo. That is true.

Again, being better than LaVall Jordan is not really anything to hang one's hat on. But Wojo certainly has dominated Jordan these last 3 years.