CBS Ranks top 68 programs since '38

[JoeSmith1721]

Not sure why regular season titles are included in the criteria. Seems like a fairly arbitrary and unfair way to judge programs for a number of reasons.

[The Sultan]

I'm outraged.

[brewcity77]

Regular season titles is disingenuous when you consider programs that were independent for decades. We have more wins & NCAA bids than the next 7 teams. I think the weighting is flawed in that regard.

[Shooter McGavin]

Regular season titles is disingenuous when you consider programs that were independent for decades. We have more wins & NCAA bids than the next 7 teams. I think the weighting is flawed in that regard.

Agreed Brew.  Very arbitrary.  In the end, who cares? 

[wadesworld]

If Norlander isn't talking about the MU fanbase come the next Eye on College Basketball podcast, MUScoop has failed miserably.

[Coleman]

Regular season titles are really dumb. Not only is it unfair to independents, it favors teams like Gonzaga who are in weak conferences. \

That said, 35 isn't far off what I would have guessed (low 30s).

[Uncle Rico]

Regular season titles are even dumber when you realize many leagues have irregular matchups

[GooooMarquette]

Will this affect our seeding in March?

[The Big East]

Regular season titles is disingenuous when you consider programs that were independent for decades. We have more wins & NCAA bids than the next 7 teams. I think the weighting is flawed in that regard.

An adjustment needs to be made for Independents for sure.

[MU82]

Looking at those ranked above us, we probably should be a little higher, but it doesn't bother me one way or the other. All rankings like this have an "arbitrary-ness" to them.

It's largely been an NCAA Tournament regular in the past 30 years, though an interesting factoid about Marquette is Rick Majerus coaching there for four seasons but failing to get the program to the NCAAs.

Of course, Rick coached at Marquette for only three seasons. Messing up a simple fact like that doesn't help writer's credibility, though we all make mistakes.

[Billy Hoyle]

An adjustment needs to be made for Independents for sure.

there must have been one made to have ND above us with two fewer Final Four appearances, no national titles and only one regular-season title. We have fewer wins but the same number of losses, only three fewer NCAA tourney appearances. I guess the draft picks are the difference between 35 and 23?

[shoothoops]

These teams complete the list:

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/the-greatest-college-basketball-programs-ever-ranking-the-top-teams-of-all-time/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

[Galway Eagle]

These teams complete the list:

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/the-greatest-college-basketball-programs-ever-ranking-the-top-teams-of-all-time/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

This list got really ridiculous real quick. Way too much weight to conference titles it seems

[brewcity77]

This list got really ridiculous real quick. Way too much weight to conference titles it seems

Western Kentucky and Utah show the value of dominating mid-tier conferences.

[Billy Hoyle]

Western Kentucky and Utah show the value of dominating mid-tier conferences.

Uh, Gonzaga? 25 conference titles. Until 1999 they'd done nothing and end up ahead of us.

[brewcity77]

Uh, Gonzaga? 25 conference titles. Until 1999 they'd done nothing and end up ahead of us.

There's plenty of examples. But no doubt us being non-affiliated for decades doesn't help in something like this.

[The Big East]

The methodology was flawed. Western Kentucky was never that good even when they were good.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I'm all for using an algorithm to give you an idea of where teams/players belong in a list. But after the initial results you manually tweak to account for bugs in the formula.

[bilsu]

Uh, Gonzaga? 25 conference titles. Until 1999 they'd done nothing and end up ahead of us.

Do you really think we should be ahead of Gonzaga?

[The Sultan]

Do you really think we should be ahead of Gonzaga?

Definitely.

[Galway Eagle]

Do you really think we should be ahead of Gonzaga?

Overall? Please make a detailed case that Gonzaga has been the better program since 1938 using their metrics other than conference championships since we'd have as many too in that two and now recently three team conference

[WhiteTrash]

Overall? Please make a detailed case that Gonzaga has been the better program since 1938 using their metrics other than conference championships since we'd have as many too in that two and now recently three team conference

This is a no-brainer.  There is no reasonable argument for GU over MU.

I get this is simple click baiting, so no reason to get upset.

[Galway Eagle]

This is a no-brainer.  There is no reasonable argument for GU over MU.

I get this is simple click baiting, so no reason to get upset.

Agree. Admittedly I'm a sucker for click bait and various analytical approaches to meaningless rankings but as Tamu said you have to take a look and make the logical edits after your algorithm runs

[MU82]

Recency bias.

[GooooMarquette]

Recency bias.

Yep. They've been great since 2000, but had exactly 2 NCAA tournament appearances in the 20th century.