CBS Ranks top 68 programs since '38

[naginiF]

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/the-greatest-college-basketball-programs-ever-ranking-the-top-teams-of-all-time-nos-68-51/

This should be a fun roller coaster ride with Wisconsin and DePaul being in the first batch (68-51) published.

I'm guessing MU @ 26

[GooooMarquette]

I'm taking 28.

[brewcity77]

Looking at the criteria, we fare pretty well.

Record: 1,434-868 (since 38-39)
Regular Season Titles: 3 (wonder how independent years are treated)
NCAA Appearances: 33
Final Fours: 3
Top-60 NBA picks: 32
Weeks Ranked: 376

I'll go with 24.

[oldwarrior81]

Jeff Sagarin ranked MU at 24th all-time

[Uncle Rico]

College Basketball wasn't invented until April of 1994.

[brewcity77]

Guessing the top-10:

1) UCLA
2) Kentucky
3) North Carolina
4) Duke
5) Kansas
6) Michigan State
7) Louisville
8) Villanova
9) Connecticut
10) Oklahoma State

[GooooMarquette]

Guessing the top-10:

1) UCLA
2) Kentucky
3) North Carolina
4) Duke
5) Kansas
6) Michigan State
7) Louisville
8) Villanova
9) Connecticut
10) Oklahoma State

Pretty good list. I agree with 1-5, but would fill out the next five as follows:

6. Louisville
7. Villanova
8. Indiana
9. Michigan State
10. UConn

[brewcity77]

Good catch! I meant to have Indiana at 8 and forgot to add them in my debate between 'Nova and UConn. D'oh!

1) UCLA
2) Kentucky
3) North Carolina
4) Duke
5) Kansas
6) Michigan State
7) Louisville
8) Indiana
9) Villanova
10) Connecticut
11) Oklahoma State

[asdfasdf]

Good catch! I meant to have Indiana at 8 and forgot to add them in my debate between 'Nova and UConn. D'oh!

1) UCLA
2) Kentucky
3) North Carolina
4) Duke
5) Kansas
6) Michigan State
7) Louisville
8) Indiana
9) Villanova
10) Connecticut
11) Oklahoma State

Out of curiosity, why do you rank oklahoma state so high?

[brewcity77]

Out of curiosity, why do you rank oklahoma state so high?

Past dominance, mostly. It goes back to 1939, and they were dominant in the 1940s into the 50s. They edge Ohio State because of one more title.

Cincinnati, Michigan, Arkansas, and Syracuse are in that mix as well. All in that 11-20 range. I wouldn't really quibble much with any order in there, just picked Oklahoma State because they have the most Final Fours of teams with multiple championships that aren't listed above them.

[oldwarrior81]

Sagarin's list included Purdue higher than I thought

Purdue was listed as a top 10 program in 40's, 70's, 80's and 90's
top 30 in the 50's and 60's.

actually 7 Big Ten teams in his top 20.

[The Big East]

These are always fun lists.

The author did not incorporate NIT into the mix.

I guess the question is what year would be the cutoff , maybe when NCAA went to 64 teams?

[brewcity77]

These are always fun lists.

The author did not incorporate NIT into the mix.

I guess the question is what year would be the cutoff , maybe when NCAA went to 64 teams?

It's all in there. The cutoff is 1938-39. And the NIT is included:

The rankings were compiled using an objective statistical formula based on 13 categories: wins, losses, national championships, Final Four appearances, Elite Eight appearances, NCAA Tournament bids, regular-season championships, NIT championships (they held significant value long ago), total weeks ranked, wins over ranked opponents, top-10 NBA Draft picks, first-round/11-30 NBA draft picks and second round/31-60 NBA draft picks.

[The Sultan]

Good catch! I meant to have Indiana at 8 and forgot to add them in my debate between 'Nova and UConn. D'oh!

1) UCLA
2) Kentucky
3) North Carolina
4) Duke
5) Kansas
6) Michigan State
7) Louisville
8) Indiana
9) Villanova
10) Connecticut
11) Oklahoma State

I think Indiana will be higher than Michigan State.  More national titles and conference championships.  I would put them at six or seven.

[The Big East]

It's all in there. The cutoff is 1938-39. And the NIT is included:

I missed that. So that will help schools like Seton Hall and the Johnnies

[GooooMarquette]

I think Indiana will be higher than Michigan State.  More national titles and conference championships.  I would put them at six or seven.

Agreed. IU has 5 National Championships and 39 NCAA appearances; MSU has 2 National Championships and 33 NCAA appearances. IU also has more all-time wins, more Big Ten titles and a higher winning percentage.

I put IU at 8 and MSU at 9, but I could see them move a spot or two...as long as IU is above MSU.

[Galway Eagle]

Would've been interesting to see the rankings of every school. I've wondered how you grade a school like Loyola Chicago. Few schools have two final fours let alone a championship. But then they've pretty much had nothing else going for them.

[brewcity77]

I think Indiana will be higher than Michigan State.  More national titles and conference championships.  I would put them at six or seven.

Entirely possible. Probably just some recency bias as they've been comparatively mediocre since Knight left.

[The Sultan]

Entirely possible. Probably just some recency bias as they've been comparatively mediocre since Knight left.

I have been having these discussions on various forums for about 25 years, and Indiana has slipped from a consensus all time top four or five program down to the lower top ten in many eyes.  Still a great program, but they haven't been able to find that coach to get them back.  (Likely had it in Sampson if he could have stopped himself from cheating.)

[Uncle Rico]

I have been having these discussions on various forums for about 25 years, and Indiana has slipped from a consensus all time top four or five program down to the lower top ten in many eyes.  Still a great program, but they haven't been able to find that coach to get them back.  (Likely had it in Sampson if he could have stopped himself from cheating.)

2011-12 Indiana was close. 

[Coleman]

DePaul and Providence in the first batch.

Does the entire current Big East make it?

Curious how they treat Butler and Creighton.

[Galway Eagle]

DePaul and Providence in the first batch.

Does the entire current Big East make it?

Curious how they treat Butler and Creighton.

No chance Creighton makes it.

[shoothoops]

Marquette is 35.

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[Shooter McGavin]

Didn't think we would be that low.  Wojo's tenure really hurt us.😂

[lawdog77]

Our lack of regular season titles really hurt us.