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The Sultan

Quote from: Jockey on October 31, 2020, 03:32:33 PM
The bolded is just idiotic and fully chico-worthy. No one on this board has EVER said that. chico was the best at making something up and then arguing against it. You are now a very close second.

Secondly, you might want to read about the civil rights movement and the history of black voter intimidation by both police and whites through the use of guns. The act of carrying a gun may not always be intimidation, but wake up. When militias with military assault rifles show up the the polls, it is 100% an attempt at intimidation.


The first was clearly hyperbole.  Intelligent people would realize that.  You didn't.  Therefore....

Maybe you should read up on Michigan law.  Carrying a holstered firearm openly isn't illegal.  Waving or displaying a firearm in a threatening manner is considered brandishing and is therefore illegal.  If brandishing a firearm at the polls takes place, it should be dealt with.

There are exceptions to the right to open carry in Michigan laid out in state law.  The Michigan Secretary of State does not have the legal right to add to that list unilaterally. 
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass


The Sultan

"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

GB Warrior

Texas GOP attempting to disenfranchise voters who voted via drive-through in Houston,  where the plan was approved by the Republican Sec of State months ago. Really projecting strength here



wadesworld

I remember when the phrase "Not my President" triggered a bunch of MAGA snowflakes in 2016. I guess the proper response to a candidate or president you don't support/vote for is intimidation. The real American, patriotic way.

MU82

I hope every Scooper and his/her loved ones have voted.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

4everwarriors

Ah, no ewe don't, hey?
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

Jockey

Quote from: shoothoops on October 31, 2020, 03:40:34 PM
If only it were easy to vote:

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/article246861942.html

Why didn't they just put their comfy blankets over their heads to block the pepper spray?

Jockey

Quote from: shoothoops on October 31, 2020, 03:59:36 PM
If only voting was easy:

https://twitter.com/ericcervini/status/1322336226792321025

Armed men surrounding a bus is just fine. They probably weren't brandishing them.

The Sultan

Quote from: Jockey on October 31, 2020, 06:28:04 PM
Why didn't they just put their comfy blankets over their heads to block the pepper spray?


Quote from: Jockey on October 31, 2020, 06:32:07 PM
Armed men surrounding a bus is just fine. They probably weren't brandishing them.

Man do I own you.

"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Jockey

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 31, 2020, 07:18:17 PM

Man do I own you.


You have provided some good laughs for me and my wife today. We thank you.

forgetful

Quote from: GB Warrior on October 31, 2020, 04:28:51 PM
Texas GOP attempting to disenfranchise voters who voted via drive-through in Houston,  where the plan was approved by the Republican Sec of State months ago. Really projecting strength here

The right to vote is probably the most pro-American thing I can think of, it is so strange that a party that tries to promote itself as so "American" goes out of their way to suppress the vote.

GooooMarquette

Quote from: forgetful on October 31, 2020, 07:35:05 PM
The right to vote is probably the most pro-American thing I can think of, it is so strange that a party that tries to promote itself as so "American" goes out of their way to suppress the vote.


MAGA, hey?

shoothoops

#566

The Sultan

Quote from: shoothoops on October 31, 2020, 09:21:36 PM
If voting was easy PA version:

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1322712461724672000?s=19




I think Trump runs the risk of over playing his hand if it gets to the Supreme Court with moves like these.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

MU82

New NYT poll shows Biden widening his lead in Wisconsin to 11 points, and also leading in the battleground states of PA, AZ and FL.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/01/us/politics/biden-trump-poll-florida-pennsylvania-wisconsin.html?campaign_id=60&emc=edit_na_20201101&instance_id=0&nl=breaking-news&ref=headline&regi_id=108420427&segment_id=43084&user_id=d36dcf821462fdd16ec3636710a855fa

Joseph R. Biden Jr. holds a clear advantage over President Trump across four of the most important presidential swing states, a new poll shows, bolstered by the support of voters who did not participate in the 2016 election and who now appear to be turning out in large numbers to cast their ballots, mainly for the Democrat.

Mr. Biden, the former vice president, is ahead of Mr. Trump in the Northern battlegrounds of Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, as well as in the Sun Belt states of Florida and Arizona, according to a poll of likely voters conducted by The New York Times and Siena College. His strength is most pronounced in Wisconsin, where he has an outright majority of the vote and leads Mr. Trump by 11 points, 52 percent to 41 percent.

Mr. Biden's performance across the electoral map appears to put him in a stronger position heading into Election Day than any presidential candidate since at least 2008, when in the midst of a global economic crisis Barack Obama captured the White House with 365 Electoral College votes and Mr. Biden at his side.

Mr. Trump's apparent weakness in many of the country's largest electoral prizes leaves him with a narrow path to the 270 Electoral College votes required to claim victory, short of a major upset or a systemic error in opinion polling surpassing even the missteps preceding the 2016 election. Should Mr. Biden's lead hold in three of the four states tested in the survey, it would almost certainly be enough to win, and if he were to carry Florida, he would most likely need to flip just one more large state that Mr. Trump won in 2016 to clinch the presidency.


Yes, pollsters were wrong about Wisconsin in 2016. However, none had Clinton with a double-digit lead there 3 days before the election.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

The Sultan

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/10/raw-desperation-republican-party/616904/

Eventually the Republican Party is going to have to broaden their appeal. They are on the unpopular side of a lot of issues.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Pakuni

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 01, 2020, 09:17:23 AM
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/10/raw-desperation-republican-party/616904/

Eventually the Republican Party is going to have to broaden their appeal. They are on the unpopular side of a lot of issues.

Jonah Goldberg is one of an unfortunately shrinking group of smart, rational conservatives out there. I don't agree with him on everything, but his arguments are usually well-reasoned and thoughtful.
Anyhow, piggybacking on this, he wrote a good piece this week about how the GOP's outright disdain for American cities will weaken the party in the long run.

https://www.stltoday.com/opinion/columnists/national/jonah-goldberg-gop-disdain-for-big-cities-is-a-losing-strategy/article_012f76e8-d2cf-561b-9ba5-e56b304d9505.html

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Pakuni on November 01, 2020, 09:26:32 AM
Jonah Goldberg is one of an unfortunately shrinking group of smart, rational conservatives out there. I don't agree with him on everything, but his arguments are usually well-reasoned and thoughtful.
Anyhow, piggybacking on this, he wrote a good piece this week about how the GOP's outright disdain for American cities will weaken the party in the long run.

https://www.stltoday.com/opinion/columnists/national/jonah-goldberg-gop-disdain-for-big-cities-is-a-losing-strategy/article_012f76e8-d2cf-561b-9ba5-e56b304d9505.html

Was going to post this as well.  I did 7 years in rural Wisconsin and the disdain for big cities puzzled me.  There is a symbiotic relationship that rural Wisconsin ignores at every turn.  A lot of the same problems that plague rural Wisconsin is strikingly similar to what plagues Milwaukee and Madison. 
Guster is for Lovers

GooooMarquette

Quote from: MU82 on November 01, 2020, 07:43:56 AM

Yes, pollsters were wrong about Wisconsin in 2016. However, none had Clinton with a double-digit lead there 3 days before the election.



Nate Silver's 538 site reminds us that in 2016, Trump was only a 'normal-sized polling error' (less than one standard deviation) away from winning. So while it was clearly an upset, it wasn't the statistically unbelievable outcome it has been portrayed to be.

Silver has shown that Biden's lead is well beyond the 'normal-sized polling error' lead of Clinton in 2016. So even if the polls are off by as much as they were in 2016, Biden would still win 335 electoral votes. In fact, for Trump to have a chance, the polls would have to be off by nearly two standard deviations. He calls this - between one and two standard deviations - the 'zone of plausibility.' So in Silver's terms, it is not likely that Trump can overcome the polling deficit, but it is not implausible.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-can-still-win-but-the-polls-would-have-to-be-off-by-way-more-than-in-2016/

tower912

Yes.  Healthy, vital cities lift up entire regions.   A vibrant Milwaukee improves the entire state.    There is a reason that my home is one of the hottest real estate markets and on a whole bunch of hot lists, despite being in a snow belt.    Money has been invested in the core city.   Government has worked with investors. 

It can work.    It can also fail.   All it takes is greed and/or stupidity.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

jesmu84


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