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Author Topic: Illinois - Sports Gambling  (Read 2978 times)

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Illinois - Sports Gambling
« on: July 26, 2020, 11:04:53 PM »
I don’t know how many people paid attention to this, but what happened in Illinois this morning around sports gambling is absolutely garbage.

Illinois is going to forego tens of millions of additional tax revenue dollars, tens (maybe hundreds) of millions in ad revenue for Illinois tv/radio/web companies. All to protect one company (Rivers) that has more political clout in Illinois than DK or FD.

I’m trying really really hard to not mention the politics here, but what happened today is really dirty.

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Re: Illinois - Sports Gambling
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2020, 11:23:18 PM »
I don’t know how many people paid attention to this, but what happened in Illinois this morning around sports gambling is absolutely garbage.

Illinois is going to forego tens of millions of additional tax revenue dollars, tens (maybe hundreds) of millions in ad revenue for Illinois tv/radio/web companies. All to protect one company (Rivers) that has more political clout in Illinois than DK or FD.

I’m trying really really hard to not mention the politics here, but what happened today is really dirty.

What time did the Brinks truck leave Madigan’s house this weekend?

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Re: Illinois - Sports Gambling
« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2020, 07:59:17 AM »
Get out while you still can.
Have some patience, FFS.

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Re: Illinois - Sports Gambling
« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2020, 09:52:23 AM »
What was the rationale from Springfield on this?  Certainly seems shady as all hell, but it would at least be nice to see what the reason ostensibly would be to force people into the Rivers casinos durng an epidemic. I'm having trouble finding any info, even biased info, anywhere on this. 

I think part of it is a vendetta against DK for not shutting down operations in IL when the legality of DFS was a hot issue, correct?

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Re: Illinois - Sports Gambling
« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2020, 10:16:54 AM »
Between this and MLB's coronavirus troubles, DKNG has gone from up 1% in the first half-hour of trading to down 9% as I write this. The MLB woes have had a much bigger impact on the stock price.
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« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2020, 10:19:45 AM »
What was the rationale from Springfield on this?  Certainly seems shady as all hell, but it would at least be nice to see what the reason ostensibly would be to force people into the Rivers casinos durng an epidemic. I'm having trouble finding any info, even biased info, anywhere on this. 

I think part of it is a vendetta against DK for not shutting down operations in IL when the legality of DFS was a hot issue, correct?

DK found, to their credit, a backdoor entrance by buying/partnering with Casino Queen. It gave them a stake in the ground in IL. I believe FD was about to do the same with Hawthorne (?). The executive order removing in person registration gave ground for FD/DK to move forward quickly with options, and they found options. Hell, they were starting to pump tons of money into advertising in Illinois. Think the media companies (TV/Radio) could use those big ad dollars right now in the middle of a pandemic? Quite honestly, that may have saved a few jobs.

Announcing on a Sunday that mobile registration was ending, and giving little notice, reeks of clout. This doesn't even begin to describe how terrible the Rivers online/mobile experience has been. It looks like a website from 1996, trying to use it on mobile is next to impossible with their Geolocator. Now as of today, you can no longer wager on Golf, NASCAR, Soccer. It's a total $hitshow.
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Re: Illinois - Sports Gambling
« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2020, 10:54:54 AM »
Corruption in the gambling industry? That's a new concept. :-[

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« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2020, 11:01:31 AM »
Between this and MLB's coronavirus troubles, DKNG has gone from up 1% in the first half-hour of trading to down 9% as I write this. The MLB woes have had a much bigger impact on the stock price.

Yea this is all MLB relates and associated worries about football as a result.  IL alone wouldn’t have shook it too much

Announcing on a Sunday that mobile registration was ending, and giving little notice, reeks of clout. This doesn't even begin to describe how terrible the Rivers online/mobile experience has been. It looks like a website from 1996, trying to use it on mobile is next to impossible with their Geolocator. Now as of today, you can no longer wager on Golf, NASCAR, Soccer. It's a total $hitshow.

1000%. It’s like every classic bid rigging/clout based corruption play. A drastically inferior and less desirable product or service somehow loses to something that’s only winning feature is that it’s got politicians in it’s pocket. Chicago gonna Chicago (and that’s coming from an ardent Chicago hype man)

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« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2020, 11:12:25 AM »
DK found, to their credit, a backdoor entrance by buying/partnering with Casino Queen. It gave them a stake in the ground in IL. I believe FD was about to do the same with Hawthorne (?). The executive order removing in person registration gave ground for FD/DK to move forward quickly with options, and they found options. Hell, they were starting to pump tons of money into advertising in Illinois. Think the media companies (TV/Radio) could use those big ad dollars right now in the middle of a pandemic? Quite honestly, that may have saved a few jobs.

Announcing on a Sunday that mobile registration was ending, and giving little notice, reeks of clout. This doesn't even begin to describe how terrible the Rivers online/mobile experience has been. It looks like a website from 1996, trying to use it on mobile is next to impossible with their Geolocator. Now as of today, you can no longer wager on Golf, NASCAR, Soccer. It's a total $hitshow.

You're right about a lot here, but there's a little more to it.
Yes, it's about protecting Rush Street (i.e. Rivers), but also the other state casinos that are opening sports books (i.e. Hollywood in Aurora and Joliet, Grand Victoria in Elgin, etc.). Those outfits - which pay substantial fees and taxes to the state - won't stand a chance if DK and FD get established online ahead of them. Essentially, the state is giving great preference to state-based operations. This was always the state's intent, and Sunday's action simply closes a loophole DK and FD were about to exploit.
It does suck for the gambler, but I can't get too worked up because this has been the plan for more than a year.

As for the Rivers app and site, they do indeed suck. But just going on it now, it seems I can place bets on futbol.

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Re: Illinois - Sports Gambling
« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2020, 03:13:32 PM »
You're right about a lot here, but there's a little more to it.
Yes, it's about protecting Rush Street (i.e. Rivers), but also the other state casinos that are opening sports books (i.e. Hollywood in Aurora and Joliet, Grand Victoria in Elgin, etc.). Those outfits - which pay substantial fees and taxes to the state - won't stand a chance if DK and FD get established online ahead of them. Essentially, the state is giving great preference to state-based operations. This was always the state's intent, and Sunday's action simply closes a loophole DK and FD were about to exploit.
It does suck for the gambler, but I can't get too worked up because this has been the plan for more than a year.

As for the Rivers app and site, they do indeed suck. But just going on it now, it seems I can place bets on futbol.

What is the app? And can Illinois residents use it legally?

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Re: Illinois - Sports Gambling
« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2020, 03:32:48 PM »
What is the app? And can Illinois residents use it legally?

Its the BetRivers app, and so far it doesn't work.  You can download it and it just provides a link that takes you to their crappy site to bet online there.  The plan is definitely for Illinois residents to be able to use it eventually though.

IL folks - do you happen to know if us Wisconsinites can register an account and then after the bugs are worked out, use the app to bet online so long as we're standing in Illinois?  I'm back and forth enough that I'd definitely do that.  Or do you need to actually be an Illinois resident (if and when the app ever works)?  I was putting off registering until I'm actually standing in Illinois because I didn't want to make it hard on myself if I got rejected for trying to register from Wisconsin.

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« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2020, 03:43:57 PM »
Its the BetRivers app, and so far it doesn't work.  You can download it and it just provides a link that takes you to their crappy site to bet online there.  The plan is definitely for Illinois residents to be able to use it eventually though.

IL folks - do you happen to know if us Wisconsinites can register an account and then after the bugs are worked out, use the app to bet online so long as we're standing in Illinois?  I'm back and forth enough that I'd definitely do that.  Or do you need to actually be an Illinois resident (if and when the app ever works)?  I was putting off registering until I'm actually standing in Illinois because I didn't want to make it hard on myself if I got rejected for trying to register from Wisconsin.

The app works for Android devices. It's how I've made my bets. It sucks, but it works.
There isn't an Apple app yet.

I had to show proof of Illinois residency to register, so I think you cheeseheads may be out of luck.
Edit: Come to think  of it, that may be just for age verification, not residency.
« Last Edit: July 27, 2020, 04:07:18 PM by Pakuni »

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Re: Illinois - Sports Gambling
« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2020, 03:49:54 PM »
Its the BetRivers app, and so far it doesn't work.  You can download it and it just provides a link that takes you to their crappy site to bet online there.  The plan is definitely for Illinois residents to be able to use it eventually though.

IL folks - do you happen to know if us Wisconsinites can register an account and then after the bugs are worked out, use the app to bet online so long as we're standing in Illinois?  I'm back and forth enough that I'd definitely do that.  Or do you need to actually be an Illinois resident (if and when the app ever works)?  I was putting off registering until I'm actually standing in Illinois because I didn't want to make it hard on myself if I got rejected for trying to register from Wisconsin.

I believe you only have to physically be in the state of IL. When I was in NJ earlier this year, I had no issue downloading the DK sportsbook app and placing a wager while in NJ as an IL resident. Obviously when I left NJ, I couldn't wager, but my wagers did cash out into my DK account.

I know a bunch of IL people that were crossing the border to wager on DK into IN, so I don't think it would matter what state you're a resident in, as long as you're physically in IL when the wager is placed. I may be wrong, but that's my interpretation.
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Re: Illinois - Sports Gambling
« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2020, 04:22:05 PM »
Corruption in the gambling industry? That's a new concept. :-[


Beat me to it.

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« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2020, 09:02:12 PM »
Corruption in the gambling industry? That's a new concept. :-[

Corruption in Illinois? Who would have thought of that?

I'm about ready to start a Madigan Indictment Watch. How many days until Mike Madigan is indicted?

Could JB be the fifth Illinois governor to live in public housing after his term is over? Stay tuned for "As the Toilet Turns."

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« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2020, 09:07:37 PM »
Corruption in Illinois? Who would have thought of that?

I'm about ready to start a Madigan Indictment Watch. How many days until Mike Madigan is indicted?

Could JB be the fifth Illinois governor to live in public housing after his term is over? Stay tuned for "As the Toilet Turns."

JB is a billionaire. Unlike most of his predecessors - career politicians who craved the lifestyles of their donors - he has no financial need to participate in graft.

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« Reply #16 on: July 28, 2020, 08:54:24 AM »
JB is a billionaire. Unlike most of his predecessors - career politicians who craved the lifestyles of their donors - he has no financial need to participate in graft.

True, but the Cook County Assessor and Mr. JB are under federal criminal investigation over the toilet incident that gave him an estimated $300,000 tax benefit.

Where that goes is anybody’s guess. But. Brother Pakuni, why would a man with the net worth of the Governor want to go through the hell of the toilet removal, get a tax break and then give it back. Given his reported net worth, that’s the equivalent of one of us Scoopers being immoral or unethical for, say, $0.50.

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« Reply #17 on: July 28, 2020, 09:03:12 AM »
True, but the Cook County Assessor and Mr. JB are under federal criminal investigation over the toilet incident that gave him an estimated $300,000 tax benefit.

Where that goes is anybody’s guess. But. Brother Pakuni, why would a man with the net worth of the Governor want to go through the hell of the toilet removal, get a tax break and then give it back. Given his reported net worth, that’s the equivalent of one of us Scoopers being immoral or unethical for, say, $0.50.

The toilet thing occurred before he was governor, was by all accounts directed not by him but by his wife, and the so-called "investigation" has gone nowhere in nearly two years time.
If that's what you're hanging your hopes on for a JB indictment, I'm afraid you're going to be sorely disappointed.

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« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2020, 08:48:19 PM »
   " and the so-called "investigation" has gone nowhere in nearly two years time."

  well if that ain't a big F' ing surprise

those things cost a lot of "toilets" ya know
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« Reply #19 on: July 30, 2020, 08:34:52 AM »
The toilet thing occurred before he was governor, was by all accounts directed not by him but by his wife, and the so-called "investigation" has gone nowhere in nearly two years time.
If that's what you're hanging your hopes on for a JB indictment, I'm afraid you're going to be sorely disappointed.

Brother Pakuni, the only thing that disappoints me about Illinois politics is that the more things change, the more they stay the same.

I don%u2019t expect the Governor to be indicted. The federal government knows better than to wage war against the Pritzker billions. It will lose. Plus, with the real possibility of a regime change in Washington come November, there is very little chance any new administration will run with this investigation.

Call me cynical but if Speaker Madigan is indicted, someone will take his place at the top of the food chain. The corruption will go on. If the Republicans ever manage to gain control of the legislature again, the corruption will go on. The problem is that corruption is the only thing we know in Illinois.

As a final thought, back in the 1970s, I lived in Tennessee before attending Marquette. Our state elected  Honest Ray Blanton governor. Honest Ray was a political entrepreneur, buying and selling the state motor pool and selling liquor licenses, among other vices. The good people of the State of Tennessee put up with it because it made their lives easier. But, when Honest Ray began selling prison pardons, he ended up in prison himself. The good people of Tennessee had had enough.

His successor, Governor Lamar Alexander, reformed state government and cleaned up much of the Honest Ray mess. He was able to do so because Tennessees corruption was top down. Illinois is different because political corruption is a bottom-up exercise and virtually everyone gets something. It is why our combined public pension deficit is more than $200 billion and why Illinois is a fiscal disaster area.
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« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2020, 09:01:24 AM »
There are degrees of dirty. Pritzker isn't a saint. The toilet thing was wrong, but it happened before he was in office. I certainly did not vote for him in the Democratic Primary.

But, compared to Blago and Ryan, who actively used their office for personal gain, Pritzker is a boy scout (not saying much, I know). Pritzker has done nothing that would threaten his job, at least in Illinois. And I think he is doing a decent job on COVID.

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« Reply #21 on: July 30, 2020, 09:55:12 AM »
dgies ... we've strayed way, way past the topic and Coleman sums up my thoughts pretty well, so I'll leave it at that.

Also, the Rivers sportsbook still sucks.

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« Reply #22 on: July 30, 2020, 10:15:58 AM »
Illinois Gaming Board meets this morning, should be interesting to say the least.
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« Reply #23 on: July 30, 2020, 04:55:01 PM »
Illinois Gaming Board meets this morning, should be interesting to say the least.

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« Reply #24 on: July 31, 2020, 10:32:41 AM »
With Arlington closing and being put up for sale, one of the Chicago sports owners (or a future perspective owner) should buy that land. I can't think of a better spot for a future stadium than Arlington. Plenty of land, Metra line literally at the entrance, plenty of highway access.

A perspective Bears owner should buy that land and squat on it asap.
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