Masks

[tower912]

https://www.freep.com/story/news/health/2020/11/16/beaumont-study-shows-effectiveness-masks-covid-19-spread/6314336002/

Mask.    Science.     Sure to be ignored.   

Bump.

[pacearrow02]

Or different way of looking at it, as businesses returned to larger capacities, offices started opening again, restaurants and bars were allowed to have indoor diners and drinkers again.

If you have a bunch of people who where masks to go to their seat and watch the football game that's good till every one of them removes said mask to drink their beer once at the bar.

You also assume people are wearing their masks correctly and/or have effective masks. Plenty of studies have shown your nose needs to be covered and many many people don't. And we've seen the study about which masks are most effective, yet people still wear bandanas or those nylon things that do nothing.

Wear*

[TSmith34, Inc.]

People like PaceArrow are why we have failed as a society.  Instead of working together to mitigate a pandemic, too many people look for reasons not to be better

To repeat, "the modern U.S. right doesn’t believe in evidence-based policy, it believes in policy-based evidence"

Cheeks doesn't want to wear a mask, so he mischaracterizes evidence to support what he wants to do, making us all fail.

[pacearrow02]

People like PaceArrow are why we have failed as a society.  Instead of working together to mitigate a pandemic, too many people look for reasons not to be better

I wear a mask everyday, anytime I am out of the home and have for the better part of 8 months.

I’m doing as I’m told so point your finger somewhere else.

[pacearrow02]

To repeat, "the modern U.S. right doesn’t believe in evidence-based policy, it believes in policy-based evidence"

Cheeks doesn't want to wear a mask, so he mischaracterizes evidence to support what he wants to do, making us all fail.

You could not be more wrong. 

[Galway Eagle]

Wear*

Thank you for your grammatical correction. I would hate for my point to get lost by such distractions. You should try it rather than get upset.

Any thoughts on the rest of the post?

[Uncle Rico]

To repeat, "the modern U.S. right doesn’t believe in evidence-based policy, it believes in policy-based evidence"

Cheeks doesn't want to wear a mask, so he mischaracterizes evidence to support what he wants to do, making us all fail.

If Trump came out and said the moon was made of cheese, we’d have people debating that as fact with the same type of “evidence” being used in this discussion

[TSmith34, Inc.]

You could not be more wrong.

How's northern Idaho?

Have the last word, chicos, as always.

[🏀]

People like PaceArrow are why we have failed as a society.  Instead of working together to mitigate a pandemic, too many people look for reasons not to be better

They prefer to buck the trend to garner attention. I call them asshats. Cheeks/WarriorDad/PaceArrow is an asshat.

[pacearrow02]

Thank you for your grammatical correction. I would hate for my point to get lost by such distractions. You should try it rather than get upset.

Any thoughts on the rest of the post?

I agreed with a lot of it and appreciate you having an adult conversation with a rational argument/conclusion.

[pacearrow02]

If Trump came out and said the moon was made of cheese, we’d have people debating that as fact with the same type of “evidence” being used in this discussion

How do you know for certain parts of it are not?

[shoothoops]

Oh Fluffy, sweetie.  You’re twisting yourself in knots.

To ignore the findings of this study, the stories we’ve all heard from friends/families/fellow scoopers of instances where infection happened despite disciplined mask wearing, and the fact that we are at record levels of infection despite better then ever mask compliance across the country as evidence to possibly doubt the effectiveness of masks lacks logic.

But you do you Fluffy, I suggest doubling up the mask to offer twice the protection.

This is incorrect.

There are many examples of people who are pretty good disciplined mask wearers that get infected because they are not wearing their mask at all times when in exposed environments inside or outside, just pretty good much of the time. That isn't quite good enough.

So many tales of people who make that one time mistake of not being diligent, maybe eating at the restaurant inside or outside instead of getting take out, etc...is all it takes. I shared yesterday the example of those Mayo Clinic workers taking their masks off to eat in thr break room. Etc...

There have been many studies shared here that show the effectiveness of wearing a mask, both for the benefit of others, and even oneself. Many.

But your angle is to come back long after a previous discussion to play gotcha and to place blame on someone (Fauci). These are the regurgitation of partisan talking points, that of course, are also incorrect. The approval rating of said person is extremely high, the qualifications, and success of the person throughout the Pandemic, have been also high.  You are giving yourself, and, your intentions away by focusing on that person.

[cheebs09]

Or different way of looking at it, as businesses returned to larger capacities, offices started opening again, restaurants and bars were allowed to have indoor diners and drinkers again.

If you have a bunch of people who wear masks to go to their seat and watch the football game that's good till every one of them removes said mask to drink their beer once at the bar.

You also assume people are wearing their masks correctly and/or have effective masks. Plenty of studies have shown your nose needs to be covered and many many people don't. And we've seen the study about which masks are most effective, yet people still wear bandanas or those nylon things that do nothing.

I agree. Purely my opinion, but I would guess non-masked social interactions are higher now than since the lockdowns stopped. A lot of those spring and summer weddings were pushed to fall and are going forward. We have kids back at school and college. Organized sports have picked up. Even with mask mandates, there’s not really a way to police in the home. Also, the COVID fatigue makes me think people are getting a little sloppier with masks (myself included).

[mu_hilltopper]

Don't argue with fools...

People like PaceArrow are why we have failed as a society. 

+2

[pacearrow02]

This is incorrect.

There are many examples of people who are pretty good disciplined mask wearers that get infected because they are not wearing their mask at all times when in exposed environments inside or outside, just pretty good much of the time. That isn't quite good enough.

So many tales of people who make that one time mistake of not being diligent, maybe eating at the restaurant inside or outside instead of getting take out, etc...is all it takes. I shared yesterday the example of those Mayo Clinic workers taking their masks off to eat in thr break room. Etc...

There have been many studies shared here that show the effectiveness of wearing a mask, both for the benefit of others, and even oneself. Many.

But your angle is to come back long after a previous discussion to play gotcha and to place blame on someone (Fauci). These are the regurgitation of partisan talking points, that of course, are also incorrect. The approval rating of said person is extremely high, the qualifications, and success of the person throughout the Pandemic, have been also high.  You are giving yourself, and, your intentions away by focusing on that person.

Agree 100%.  There have been many studies showing masks efficacy.  There are some that don’t.  I take them all into account while some ignore certain ones and explain them away.

I should not have posted it cause it’s lead to a predictable response and thread.  A good analogy to your “slip up” when it comes to mask wearing and getting infected, this was my scoop “slip up”.

Season starts in a week, thank god.  I hope to wear my scoop mask until then and see ya guys over there to point out how wrong you are with your hoop takes as well.

[Skatastrophy]

People like PaceArrow are why we have failed as a society.  Instead of working together to mitigate a pandemic, too many people look for reasons not to be better

It's the state of political discourse. One side is engaged in disingenuous arguments. Much like internet trolling it's hard to beat because not everyone is willing to ignore trolls and engaging in discourse with them actually increases the validity of their inane stance.

[lawdog77]

I agree. Purely my opinion, but I would guess non-masked social interactions are higher now than since the lockdowns stopped. A lot of those spring and summer weddings were pushed to fall and are going forward. We have kids back at school and college. Organized sports have picked up. Even with mask mandates, there’s not really a way to police in the home. Also, the COVID fatigue makes me think people are getting a little sloppier with masks (myself included).

How many people still sanitize their groceries?

[shoothoops]

Agree 100%.  There have been many studies showing masks efficacy.  There are some that don’t.  I take them all into account while some ignore certain ones and explain them away.

I should not have posted it cause it’s lead to a predictable response and thread.  A good analogy to your “slip up” when it comes to mask wearing and getting infected, this was my scoop “slip up”.

Season starts in a week, thank god.  I hope to wear my scoop mask until then and see ya guys over there to point out how wrong you are with your hoop takes as well.

You "agreed" but then you tried to say "both sides" which again is incorrect. Masks work. That has been proven. You also agreed that your reasons for posting were really about regurgitating anti-Fauci talking points.

[4everwarriors]

How many people still sanitize their groceries?

Sum folks spray der utensils and food wit Everclear. Eye'm figurin' day're ether nuts orr alkies, aina?

[naginiF]

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817

Would you look at that.  Turns out Fauci was right way back in March, apologies to him.

Should have stuck to his guns!

Are you having this same exact argument in multiple forums?
https://www.reddit.com/r/TopMindsOfReddit/comments/jwj4kg/ive_become_the_latest_victim_of_axolotl_peyotls/
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/jwgmtk/the_highly_anticipated_danish_study_on_masks_was/

[Skatastrophy]

Are you having this same exact argument in multiple forums?
https://www.reddit.com/r/TopMindsOfReddit/comments/jwj4kg/ive_become_the_latest_victim_of_axolotl_peyotls/
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/jwgmtk/the_highly_anticipated_danish_study_on_masks_was/

> OP prolly reads PAGE 2 results on google until they find a matching narrative.

I lol'd

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Agree 100%.  There have been many studies showing masks efficacy.  There are some that don’t.  I take them all into account while some ignore certain ones and explain them away.

So according to you "explaining them away" means actually reading them and drawing from them the conclusions that they drew themselves AND MORE IMPORTANTLY the conclusions that they DIDN'T draw.

Unlike you, I don't pretend the study said something it didn't say.

[shoothoops]

Tennessee reported 72 new deaths yesterday.

Governor Bill Lee?

https://twitter.com/BrettKelman/status/1329075526321913864?s=19

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Agree 100%.  There have been many studies showing masks efficacy.  There are some that don’t.  I take them all into account while some ignore certain ones and explain them away.

500 mask studies...

[lostpassword]

Pace Arrow - legitimate question.  If you were "king" and could mandate such things, what would you do relative to masks?  I'm really interested as I don't understand the "so what" behind your posts today.  How would you have us behave?

[1] Mandate mask wearing.  You believe there is evidence that they are beneficial to self and/or community.
[2] Mandate mask wearing.  You aren't sure if they are helpful, but believe the "possible" benefits are worth the mandate.
[3] Optional.  You do not believe there is any evidence of community benefit.
[4] Optional.  You believe there are benefits to self and/or community but personal freedom trumps that evidence.
[5] Mandate against masks.  You believe there is evidence that they cause harm to self and/or the community.
[6] Mandate against masks.  You bleieve there are benefits, but let's watch it burn.

Something other than one of these?

I suspect most in this thread are #1.  Myself included.  The study posted doesn't do anything to change that position which is why I think many (myself included) are confused on the point trying to be made.