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JWags85

Trump has now reversed course and said he's fine with masks and carries one to wear in groups. Better late than never I guess

rocky_warrior

Quote from: JWags85 on July 21, 2020, 04:46:59 PM
Trump has now reversed course and said he's fine with masks and carries one to wear in groups. Better late than never I guess

My wife noticed that yesterday.  I was really excited to hear it.  And then I read his tweet she had heard about second hand and literally facepalmed.  Hopefully the "good" of masks keeps getting spread.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1285299379746811915

shoothoops

Trump doesn't wear a mask. He lies, and lies, and lies. He has others lie for him, about him. He will say whatever is convenient at the time.

He has worn a mask once, at Walter Reed. That's it.

Last night, at the Trump Hotel fundraiser, Trump wore no mask, had no social distance.

He will publicly say he is not anti-mask. He will say publicly that there is nothing wrong with masks. He will say publicly that he looks good in masks, like the lone ranger. He will say publicly that there is a time and place to wear a mask.

He will very rarely wear one moving forward, only when it is of the utmost important of situations, for a brief time.

The President of the United States, and the Vice President of the United States don't wear masks, not to protect others, not to set a good example for others. He doesn't wear one because 1) Vanity. 2) To him it is a symbol of losing and weakness.


MU82

NC governor Roy Cooper:

"For those who continue to defy basic decency and common sense because they refuse to wear a mask — either wear one or don't go in the store. The refusal to wear a mask is selfish. It infringes on the life and liberty of everyone else in the store."
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

4everwarriors

Write on, aina?
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"



mu_hilltopper

I was going to ask "can someone play a lawyer and explain why people say 'being forced to wear a mask is unconstitutional!' from a legal perspective?"

Then I googled it:

https://www.poynter.org/reporting-editing/2020/can-the-government-legally-force-you-to-wear-a-mask/#

Warriors4ever

I have read comments in some of my legal groups ( this not being my area) that ADA does not require stores to allow a maskless person claiming a disability in, if they provide alternative accomodation , ie offering to shop for the person and deliver to their car, for example. They do not have to accommodate the person in the exact way requested.

Jockey

Quote from: JWags85 on July 21, 2020, 04:46:59 PM
Trump has now reversed course and said he's fine with masks and carries one to wear in groups. Better late than never I guess


Might want to re-think this one.


shoothoops

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on July 25, 2020, 08:57:16 AM
I'm no longer surprised by the abject stupidity but it's still infuriating.

For me, it's less about the tribe and tribalists (who are very important don't get me wrong).....but more about the people who intentionally prey upon the fears already existing within the tribe. This lady in Springfield, MO is suing about masks. A woman mentioned her son has cancer and asked if people would wear masks. The response: It's not my responsibility your son has cancer.

https://twitter.com/AishaS/status/1286743719606128646?s=19

Vander Blue Man Group

Quote from: shoothoops on July 25, 2020, 09:10:41 AM
For me, it's less about the tribe and tribalists (who are very important don't get me wrong).....but more about the people who intentionally prey upon the fears already existing within the tribe. This lady in Springfield, MO is suing about masks. A woman mentioned her son has cancer and asked if people would wear masks. The response: It's not my responsibility your son has cancer.

https://twitter.com/AishaS/status/1286743719606128646?s=19

Yep. It's not just a lack of intelligence and common sense. The completely lack of empathy and pure selfishness is just as disturbing.

GB Warrior

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on July 25, 2020, 09:55:10 AM
Yep. It's not just a lack of intelligence and common sense. The completely lack of empathy and pure selfishness is just as disturbing.

The lack of shared identity among Americans is why I don't see how America comes back from this ('this' is broadly construed to the pandemic, racial tensions, this presidency, this political environment).

Incidentally, I think it's part of why other nations have fared better, in addition to competent leadership.

TSmith34, Inc.

'What if I don't comply?' Indiana Republican lawmaker posts a photo of a .45-caliber handgun in response to GOP governor's mask order
https://news.yahoo.com/dont-comply-indiana-republican-lawmaker-165928594.html
If you think for one second that I am comparing the USA to China you have bumped your hard.

Jockey

Quote from: TSmith34 on July 25, 2020, 11:43:19 AM
'What if I don't comply?' Indiana Republican lawmaker posts a photo of a .45-caliber handgun in response to GOP governor's mask order
https://news.yahoo.com/dont-comply-indiana-republican-lawmaker-165928594.html

Guy is just the typical gun nut. He is unable to get the rush from blowing someone away, so he try to kill people another way.

He can quote the entire U.S. Constitution: "Blah, Blah, Blah, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, Blah, Blah, Blah".

He should be arrested on terrorism charges.

Jockey

Republicans are already saying they are going to court to stop this. Yes, the pro-lifers are going to court for the right to kill people. Would they be doing that if the order only covered pregnant women? I think not.

MU82

Quote from: GB Warrior on July 25, 2020, 10:59:27 AM
The lack of shared identity among Americans is why I don't see how America comes back from this ('this' is broadly construed to the pandemic, racial tensions, this presidency, this political environment).

Incidentally, I think it's part of why other nations have fared better, in addition to competent leadership.

Good post, albeit sad.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

BM1090

Was in Door County for the day, all businesses required masks inside. Makes sense but still was somewhat surprised to see.

mu_hilltopper

Quote from: GB Warrior on July 25, 2020, 10:59:27 AM
The lack of shared identity among Americans is why I don't see how America comes back from this ('this' is broadly construed to the pandemic, racial tensions, this presidency, this political environment).


This is an interesting question to be probed, no doubt.  I think though, that  there is a concept of "shared identity" in the US .. it's just that it's now two identities, split by party, struggling to live in one reality.

I do think the 2H of 2020 will be titled "The Comeuppening."

pacearrow02

Quote from: BM1090 on July 25, 2020, 08:41:30 PM
Was in Door County for the day, all businesses required masks inside. Makes sense but still was somewhat surprised to see.

Y were you surprised to see that?

MU82

Quote from: mu_hilltopper on July 25, 2020, 08:44:27 PM
I do think the 2H of 2020 will be titled "The Comeuppening."

Please expound on this. I'm intrigued.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

GooooMarquette

Quote from: GB Warrior on July 25, 2020, 10:59:27 AM
The lack of shared identity among Americans is why I don't see how America comes back from this ('this' is broadly construed to the pandemic, racial tensions, this presidency, this political environment).

Incidentally, I think it's part of why other nations have fared better, in addition to competent leadership.



Agreed. It's sad, but too many Americans identify with the country, but not the other people in it.

HutchwasClutch

#198
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on July 25, 2020, 08:44:27 PM
This is an interesting question to be probed, no doubt.  I think though, that  there is a concept of "shared identity" in the US .. it's just that it's now two identities, split by party, struggling to live in one reality.

Well, it's kind of difficult to find common ground when one of the two major political parties has gone so far off the rails as trying to peddle agendas like letting non violent criminals out of prison, defunding the police, The Green New Deal, Medicare For All, etc., etc.   How can you live in reality with that level of stupid and/or dangerous platforms being pushed?!

wadesworld

#199
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on July 25, 2020, 10:55:55 PM
Well, it's kind of difficult to find common ground when one of the two major political parties has gone so far off the rails as trying to peddle agendas like letting non violent criminals out of prison, defunding the police, The Green New Deal, Medicare For All, etc., etc.   How can you live in reality with that level of stupid and/or dangerous platforms being pushed?!

Ahh yes. Conservatives, the definition of reason and steady. Just look at our president.

Lol.

What's hilarious is those radical, terrifying, insane, completely impossible, off the rails agendas work in many other parts of the world. But the "greatest nation in the world" can't figure it out. So instead they're only whack job ideas that could never be reality.

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