Georgia

[shoothoops]

There are a lot of people in this room with short memories. After the last election, do you seriously think we should have online voting? Seriously?

Whoever loses will challenge over and over again, claiming everything from voter suppression to foreign hacking. And if it is ever proven that someone hacked into the election systems, God-forbid the implication on our country.

My hang-up with mail-in ballots, online voting etc., goes to the sacredness of voting in our country. C'mon, you're saying this country is too damn lazy to get up on a Tuesday morning in November, walk, ride a bus or drive to a polling place, wait their turn in line, cast a ballot and maybe see someone from the neighborhood and chat for a few minutes and go home? That's what voting is about. It's the most important thing as Americans we do.

If any political party can't get people to do this simple act once or twice a year, shame on them. Maybe they should start looking at candidates who really will make a difference in people's lives.

As a final thought, perhaps I've lived in Illinois too long but if Old Man Daley could steal an election for John F. Kennedy with paper ballots, think of what he could do with a computer. Or, unlimited mail-in ballots. Gosh, in Texas, Lyndon Johnson might have received a million votes from Jim Wells County back in 1948!

Recent Georgia example:

Machines weren't working, not enough machines, not enough workers, closed locations, relocated locations, long lines, .....these things keep happening disproportionately in minority communities and low socio-economic communities. Many changes have occurred last minute. Some people were even turned away at locations in March in Chicago.

What is the goal? Is the goal to ensure that every of age can and does vote in the country? To get as many people to vote as possible?

National multi-day voting Holiday including part weekend, part weekday, as well as other ways to vote for those unable to vote in person, to ensure everyone can and does vote.

I strongly suggest you spend a voting day in a low socio-economic geography. Experience is a cure for ignorance.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

C'mon, you're saying this country is too damn lazy to get up on a Tuesday morning in November, walk, ride a bus or drive to a polling place, wait their turn in line, cast a ballot and maybe see someone from the neighborhood and chat for a few minutes and go home? That's what voting is about. It's the most important thing as Americans we do.

This is something that just doesn't even need to be a thing.  I've been in required meetings, other countries, other states, etc for my job and it's a huge hassle to vote absentee (which i have always done for federal elections, but not always state/local).  Are you calling me lazy - are you calling the person that has to take a bus to work on election day lazy?   

It's dumb.  Open voting up -- make it more convenient.  I am open to any method deemed appropriate, but constraints can be lifted for the benefit of all.. and particularly the benefit of people who work. 

[ATL MU Warrior]

There are a lot of people in this room with short memories. After the last election, do you seriously think we should have online voting? Seriously?

Whoever loses will challenge over and over again, claiming everything from voter suppression to foreign hacking. And if it is ever proven that someone hacked into the election systems, God-forbid the implication on our country.

My hang-up with mail-in ballots, online voting etc., goes to the sacredness of voting in our country. C'mon, you're saying this country is too damn lazy to get up on a Tuesday morning in November, walk, ride a bus or drive to a polling place, wait their turn in line, cast a ballot and maybe see someone from the neighborhood and chat for a few minutes and go home? That's what voting is about. It's the most important thing as Americans we do.

If any political party can't get people to do this simple act once or twice a year, shame on them. Maybe they should start looking at candidates who really will make a difference in people's lives.

As a final thought, perhaps I've lived in Illinois too long but if Old Man Daley could steal an election for John F. Kennedy with paper ballots, think of what he could do with a computer. Or, unlimited mail-in ballots. Gosh, in Texas, Lyndon Johnson might have received a million votes from Jim Wells County back in 1948!

I would love to live in the utopia where the bolded was all it took to vote.  Instead, I live in the good old US of A where there are folks actively trying (and so far succeeding) to make such a utopia impossible for a large segment of our population.  So spare us your indignation and realize that most of the country doesn't live in Mayberry. 

[Elonsmusk]

I would love to live in the utopia where the bolded was all it took to vote.  Instead, I live in the good old US of A where there are folks actively trying (and so far succeeding) to make such a utopia impossible for a large segment of our population.  So spare us your indignation and realize that most of the country doesn't live in Mayberry.

Help me understand the angst and disgust many* liberals have with the USA, while advocating vociferously for open borders, sanctuary cities, and refuge for POC from around the world?  Yet, simultaneously asserting that the USA is soooo racist and stacked against POC?  Seriously, what is it like to live in a seeming perpetual state of hypocrisy and angst?

Why is it that the USA is the most sought after country to gain citizenship, residence?

Do you not find it odd that some born and raised here hate their own country while so many from around the world would do anything to live here?

End of the day, if a person takes their education seriously, works hard, is law abiding, and accountable to their family - they will have a standard and quality of life that exceeds anywhere else in the world.  Not to mention they also have opportunity to become massively successful.

[Galway Eagle]

Help me understand the angst and disgust many* liberals have with the USA, while advocating vociferously for open borders, sanctuary cities, and refuge for POC from around the world?  Yet, simultaneously asserting that the USA is soooo racist and stacked against POC?  Seriously, what is it like to live in a seeming perpetual state of hypocrisy and angst?

Why is it that the USA is the most sought after country to gain citizenship, residence?

Do you not find it odd that some born and raised here hate their own country while so many from around the world would do anything to live here?

End of the day, if a person takes their education seriously, works hard, is law abiding, and accountable to their family - they will have a standard and quality of life that exceeds anywhere else in the world.  Not to mention they also have opportunity to become massively successful.

Started typing a response, not worth getting a thread locked so reported it instead.

[Jockey]

End of the day, if a person takes their education seriously, works hard, is law abiding, and accountable to their family - they will have a standard and quality of life that exceeds anywhere else in the world.  Not to mention they also have opportunity to become massively successful.

You trip over your white privilege an awful lot. The systems, structures and institutions of this country were created by whites to benefit whites.

Finally, for the first time in history, we have a chance to change that. Sadly, that means millions of whites who hang on to the old values of privilege will be left behind trying to hang on to the old order.

[MU82]

Y'all don't know what it's like being male, middle class and white.

[ATL MU Warrior]

Help me understand the angst and disgust many* liberals have with the USA, while advocating vociferously for open borders, sanctuary cities, and refuge for POC from around the world?  Yet, simultaneously asserting that the USA is soooo racist and stacked against POC?  Seriously, what is it like to live in a seeming perpetual state of hypocrisy and angst?

Why is it that the USA is the most sought after country to gain citizenship, residence?

Do you not find it odd that some born and raised here hate their own country while so many from around the world would do anything to live here?

End of the day, if a person takes their education seriously, works hard, is law abiding, and accountable to their family - they will have a standard and quality of life that exceeds anywhere else in the world.  Not to mention they also have opportunity to become massively successful.

Not possible, not going to try.

[mu_hilltopper]

Finally, for the first time in history, we have a chance to change that. Sadly, that means millions of whites who hang on to the old values of privilege will be left behind trying to hang on to the old order.

Cultural attitudes don't change quickly, and especially not with a few weeks of protest.   


There will be police policy changes, sure. 

[MU82]

Help me understand the angst and disgust many* liberals have with the USA, while advocating vociferously for open borders, sanctuary cities, and refuge for POC from around the world?  Yet, simultaneously asserting that the USA is soooo racist and stacked against POC?  Seriously, what is it like to live in a seeming perpetual state of hypocrisy and angst?

Why is it that the USA is the most sought after country to gain citizenship, residence?

Do you not find it odd that some born and raised here hate their own country while so many from around the world would do anything to live here?

End of the day, if a person takes their education seriously, works hard, is law abiding, and accountable to their family - they will have a standard and quality of life that exceeds anywhere else in the world.  Not to mention they also have opportunity to become massively successful.

The black EMT executed by cops serving a no-knock warrant in Louisville, the black church-goers executed by a white supremacist in Charleston, or any of the thousands upon thousands of innocent black folks killed, harassed or discriminated against solely because of the color of their skin ... I'm sure it's of great solace to their families to know how "massively successful" they could have become.

Meanwhile, "reverse racism" just keeps holding down us white men. Woe is us!

Oh, and absolutely ... those of us who want America to be better for all inhabitants, we obviously "hate our own country." It's kind of like those who want MU basketball to be better obviously "hate" Marquette basketball.

Thanks, Ners. It's nice when you stop by to give your fellow Scoopers the honor of getting lectured on race relations by a racist.

[Pakuni]

This is way off topic, but so is the rest of this thread ... Remember the black federal agent killed during George Floyd protests in Oakland and held up as an example of BLM violence?
Turns out he was killed by a right-wing extremists.
What's really scary is that one of these guys is active duty military.

Bennett said evidence developed in the case showed communication between Carrillo and others talking about using the George Floyd demonstration planned for Oakland that night as a cover to kill Underwood and wound his partner.
"We believe Carrillo and Justice chose this date because of the planned protest in Oakland," Bennett said. "It provided them to target multiple law enforcement personnel and to avoid apprehension due to the large crowds attending the demonstrations. As described in detail in the complaint, we believe Justice drove the white van."

https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2020/06/16/steven-carrillo-david-underwood-murder-santa-cruz-deputy-fatal-shooting-fatal-oakland-federal-building-shooting/

[Galway Eagle]

This is way off topic, but so is the rest of this thread ... Remember the black federal agent killed during George Floyd protests in Oakland and held up as an example of BLM violence?
Turns out he was killed by a right-wing extremists.
What's really scary is that one of these guys is active duty military.

Bennett said evidence developed in the case showed communication between Carrillo and others talking about using the George Floyd demonstration planned for Oakland that night as a cover to kill Underwood and wound his partner.
"We believe Carrillo and Justice chose this date because of the planned protest in Oakland," Bennett said. "It provided them to target multiple law enforcement personnel and to avoid apprehension due to the large crowds attending the demonstrations. As described in detail in the complaint, we believe Justice drove the white van."

https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2020/06/16/steven-carrillo-david-underwood-murder-santa-cruz-deputy-fatal-shooting-fatal-oakland-federal-building-shooting/

Fun fact, Fox News made zero mention to their connections to a far right movement. That's that fair and honest news so many here use. Probably see a tan guy in a mugshot and assume it's the mythical "Antifa" organization.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/us/air-force-sergeant-steven-carrillo-hit-with-murder-charges-in-deputys-killing.amp

[MU82]

Here's a pleasant guy who has been elected 4 times already ...

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/article243568942.html?

Frustrated by weeks of protests, a North Carolina lawmaker has lashed out at what he calls "gutless wonders in public office who are bowing down to Black Lives Matter."

Republican Rep. Larry Pittman of Cabarrus County called protesters "ignorant thugs," "criminals," "domestic terrorists" and "vermin." If they resist and attack police, he said they should "shoot them."

"This is war," he wrote on Facebook Monday. "Our people have a right to expect our leaders to be on our side, not surrender to the lawless, godless mob."

Pittman, 65, is running for his fifth term.

"These vermin don't care about George Floyd or any other individual, except maybe their financial sponsor, George Soros," Pittman wrote. "They are bent on destroying our country and our way of life, and they will use any tragedy, any slogan, any excuse to convince clueless people that their radical injustice is justice."

In the past, he compared Lincoln to Hitler, and said that doctors who perform abortions should be hung in public.

Oh, and he's a pastor.

[Jockey]

Cultural attitudes don't change quickly, and especially not with a few weeks of protest.   


There will be police policy changes, sure.

No they don't, but the seeds have finally been planted and watered.

[Jockey]

Here's a pleasant guy who has been elected 4 times already ...

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/article243568942.html?

Frustrated by weeks of protests, a North Carolina lawmaker has lashed out at what he calls "gutless wonders in public office who are bowing down to Black Lives Matter."

Republican Rep. Larry Pittman of Cabarrus County called protesters "ignorant thugs," "criminals," "domestic terrorists" and "vermin." If they resist and attack police, he said they should "shoot them."

"This is war," he wrote on Facebook Monday. "Our people have a right to expect our leaders to be on our side, not surrender to the lawless, godless mob."

Pittman, 65, is running for his fifth term.

"These vermin don't care about George Floyd or any other individual, except maybe their financial sponsor, George Soros," Pittman wrote. "They are bent on destroying our country and our way of life, and they will use any tragedy, any slogan, any excuse to convince clueless people that their radical injustice is justice."

In the past, he compared Lincoln to Hitler, and said that doctors who perform abortions should be hung in public.

Oh, and he's a pastor.

Wow - big surprise. 

[tower912]

Who would Jesus discriminate against or shoot?

[Jockey]

Who would Jesus discriminate against or shoot?

Wait until they find out Jesus had dark skin.

[Pakuni]

Who would Jesus discriminate against or shoot?

I wear a WWJS wristband.

[dgies9156]

Let me give two examples of how it should be done:

1) I live in Florida. I formally requested an absentee ballot because I will be out of the State of Florida on primary election day. The Supervisor of Elections for Indian River County has specific requirements, mandated by the State of Florida, for issuing me a ballot for our primary in August. I have to request an absentee ballot in advance and sign the application. I mail it to the IRC Supervisor of Elections, who authenticates my request and mails me a ballot. I receive my ballot at an out-of-state location, fill it in and mail it back. It is counted.

2) In 1974, I was eligible to vote in the State of Tennessee for the first time. I requested an absentee ballot, which was mailed to me at McCormick Hall. I was instructed by the Davidson County Board of Elections to go to the City of Milwaukee clerk and hand her the application for the ballot. She supervised my vote and I voted safely and secretly. I then put the ballot into an envelope and took the sealed envelope to the Clerk, who notarized it (or whatever a city clerk does) and placed it in a second envelope, after viewing my Tennessee drivers license and certifying that the person voting was, well, me. I then mailed it in and my vote was counted.

In both cases, I have no problem with voting by mail. It is fair and ensures electoral integrity. The most  important part of an election is integrity, which is why the State of Florida fired the Palm Beach County election commissioner after the last election, when Palm Beach County couldn't count ballots. It's also why everyone was so concerned about Russian interference in our last election.

Washington Post notwithstanding, if you really believe Old Man Daley didn't steal votes for Kennedy, I have a bridge between San Francisco and Marin County I can sell cheap. And don't get me started about Texas. P.S. -- I hated Nixon, so this IS NOT partisan!

[Galway Eagle]

 

[dgies9156]

Wait until they find out Jesus had dark skin.

I find it amusing that Jesus is depicted as a Central European Caucasian. He was a Jewish guy from what is now Israel and certainly was not white.

At St. Sabina's parish in Chicago, Jesus is an African American gentleman with large hands that can hold everyone.

I suspect Jesus is like the apostles in Acts 2:4, where the apostles spoke in multiple languages.  Jesus is Caucasian, Asian, African, Native American, Hispanic, Inuit, male and female.

[MU82]

Wow - big surprise. 

From the county next to mine. Sounds like somebody to have a beer with, a real wonderful human being.

And he's a "pastor"? Must deliver some heartwarming homilies.

[Elonsmusk]

The black EMT executed by cops serving a no-knock warrant in Louisville, the black church-goers executed by a white supremacist in Charleston, or any of the thousands upon thousands of innocent black folks killed, harassed or discriminated against solely because of the color of their skin ... I'm sure it's of great solace to their families to know how "massively successful" they could have become.

Meanwhile, "reverse racism" just keeps holding down us white men. Woe is us!

Oh, and absolutely ... those of us who want America to be better for all inhabitants, we obviously "hate our own country." It's kind of like those who want MU basketball to be better obviously "hate" Marquette basketball.

Thanks, Ners. It's nice when you stop by to give your fellow Scoopers the honor of getting lectured on race relations by a racist.

You didn't logically answer any of the questions I posed. Just deflect, deflect, deflect, and then resort to the intellectually weak, standard playbook, of calling someone "racist."

And yea many liberals essentially do hate America. It's a nonstop b*tchfest But hey, carry on and wallow in your angst and hypocrisy. #resist

And btw, "thousands of deaths" of blacks are not perpetrated by whites. Black on black homicide is exponentially higher than interracial. 

America elected a Black President despite Blacks comprising just 13% of the population. So, suggesting America is so racist and oppressive toward Blacks 2008 onward is illogical.  Maybe if you pound it into Blacks heads over and over and over again how racist and oppressive the "system" is, they will eventually believe it and give up. That's ultimately what your narrative pushes and ironically suppresses the progress and success of Blacks.

[mu_hilltopper]

No they don't, but the seeds have finally been planted and watered.

I'm thinking insignificant change.    I'd suggest racism is a spectrum.  A third of the country are pretty evolved, a third of the country have deep ties to their whiteness (or whatever it should be called.)

So the question is .. to what extent did the protests move the reachable third?   Some.  It moved them some.  They are more sensitive.   It bumped that group 1-10 spots to the left -- and some a few spots to the right because law and order, riots, burning, etc.


Net net, some.  Not a sea change by any stretch.

[The Sultan]

You didn't logically answer any of the questions I posed. Just deflect, deflect, deflect, and then resort to the intellectually weak, standard playbook, of calling someone "racist."

And yea many liberals essentially do hate America. It's a nonstop b*tchfest But hey, carry on and wallow in your angst and hypocrisy. #resist

And btw, "thousands of deaths" of blacks are not perpetrated by whites. Black on black homicide is exponentially higher than interracial. 

America elected a Black President despite Blacks comprising just 13% of the population. So, suggesting America is so racist and oppressive toward Blacks 2008 onward is illogical.  Maybe if you pound it into Blacks heads over and over and over again how racist and oppressive the "system" is, they will eventually believe it and give up. That's ultimately what your narrative pushes and ironically suppresses the progress and success of Blacks.

I liked you better when it was only your basketball thoughts were looney.