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Billy Hoyle

Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on June 10, 2020, 08:57:36 AM
Except that it verifys that it us you, that ur breathing, and not hacked or coerced. Smh
What a blind liberal lovefest, not here to say current systems dont have their issues, but to simply say make this change and everything will be great is par for the course.

I vote by mail. I have to sign it and the signature is matched to what is in file. I can track my ballot to make sure it's delivered. Since 2000 we've had 22 documented cases of fraud.  In the March, in the midst of the pandemic, for a primary we had over 40% turnout. I got to vote at my office desk.
"Kevin thinks 'mother' is half a word." - Mike Deane

Mr. Sand-Knit

Quote from: MU82 on June 10, 2020, 09:06:07 AM
I get what you're saying about the fridge, but let's take it one step further and perhaps even more relevantly regarding the issue at hand ...

Many of us have online brokerage accounts with significant assets in them.

And yet, somehow, we are able to move those assets and do transactions worth thousands ... tens of thousands ... hundreds of thousands of dollars ... quickly, safely, securely and effectively.

Vanguard, Fidelity, Schwab, etc, "know it is us" doing the transactions, and I am not aware of a single episode of one of these major brokerage houses being hacked or defrauded. Maybe there has been one, but I don't know of one.

Do what they do to secure the safety, security and efficiency of the voting process. I'm not a techie, but it has to be possible ... because they do it.

So stupid, u know elections are held by local election boards, that work a few days a year etc.?  And are not multi national multi billion dollar companies.  Additionally millions of people do not have internet etc.  Lastly, still ripe for fraud and coercion.  Not every problem is best fixed by billions of dollars and another federal agency and hundreds of thousands of employees.  Very simple minded.
Political free board, plz leave your clever quips in your clever mind.

TSmith34, Inc.

Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on June 10, 2020, 11:06:49 AM
So stupid, u know elections are held by local election boards, that work a few days a year etc.?  And are not multi national multi billion dollar companies.  Additionally millions of people do not have internet etc.  Lastly, still ripe for fraud and coercion.  Not every problem is best fixed by billions of dollars and another federal agency and hundreds of thousands of employees.  Very simple minded.
Right, because mail-in voting, which is already done, is just too hard to figure out. And secure online voting, employing security that tens of thousands of companies already require, is just too hard to figure out. Too hard, too hard.
If you think for one second that I am comparing the USA to China you have bumped your hard.

ZiggysFryBoy

Each county should just hire the company that did the Obamacare website, aina.

Jockey

Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on June 10, 2020, 09:57:57 AM
This is easily solved.  Multi-factor authentication.  My company does it so I can log in to Outlook...I think the Federal Govt. can figure it out to allow people to vote.

Of course you are right. But getting it right is not the problem.

The problem is that it is an organized attempt to prevent people from voting.

Jockey

Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on June 10, 2020, 11:06:49 AM
So stupid, u know elections are held by local election boards, that work a few days a year etc.?  And are not multi national multi billion dollar companies.  Additionally millions of people do not have internet etc.  Lastly, still ripe for fraud and coercion.  Not every problem is best fixed by billions of dollars and another federal agency and hundreds of thousands of employees.  Very simple minded.

At least use proper grammar in you crazed responses.

MU82

Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on June 10, 2020, 11:06:49 AM
So stupid, u know elections are held by local election boards, that work a few days a year etc.?  And are not multi national multi billion dollar companies.  Additionally millions of people do not have internet etc.  Lastly, still ripe for fraud and coercion.  Not every problem is best fixed by billions of dollars and another federal agency and hundreds of thousands of employees.  Very simple minded.

As usual, you are wrong, and you provide no legitimate reasons for your point of view.

And as usual, you start with an insult. Because that's how you roll.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

ATL MU Warrior

Quote from: Jockey on June 10, 2020, 11:36:13 AM
Of course you are right. But getting it right is not the problem.

The problem is that it is an organized attempt to prevent people from voting.
Oh I am well aware.

Billy Hoyle

Quote from: TSmith34 on June 10, 2020, 11:13:01 AM
Right, because mail-in voting, which is already done, is just too hard to figure out. And secure online voting, employing security that tens of thousands of companies already require, is just too hard to figure out. Too hard, too hard.

I oppose internet-based voting because even with multi-tiered security. Foreign actors will find a way to hack in, just look at North Korea and what they've been able to do by dedicating themselves to cyber warfare. Plus, you need a paper trail to prevent fraud. Mail-in is the way to go.
"Kevin thinks 'mother' is half a word." - Mike Deane

Jockey

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on June 10, 2020, 01:12:14 PM
I oppose internet-based voting because even with multi-tiered security. Foreign actors will find a way to hack in, just look at North Korea and what they've been able to do by dedicating themselves to cyber warfare. Plus, you need a paper trail to prevent fraud. Mail-in is the way to go.

Foreign actors are currently able to hack into our voter machines. Does that bother you, too?

MU82

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on June 10, 2020, 01:12:14 PM
I oppose internet-based voting because even with multi-tiered security. Foreign actors will find a way to hack in, just look at North Korea and what they've been able to do by dedicating themselves to cyber warfare. Plus, you need a paper trail to prevent fraud. Mail-in is the way to go.

Why don't they hack into Vanguard's system so they can become trillionaires?
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

reinko

Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on June 10, 2020, 11:32:15 AM
Each county should just hire the company that did the Obamacare website, aina.

Ah yes, the one that really bad roll out for about 4-5 months, that then got infinitely better and to this day helps get TENS OF MILLIONS affordable health care.  Oh gosh please, that would be horrible.

ATL MU Warrior

Quote from: reinko on June 10, 2020, 02:48:05 PM
Ah yes, the one that really bad roll out for about 4-5 months, that then got infinitely better and to this day helps get TENS OF MILLIONS affordable health care.  Oh gosh please, that would be horrible.
Don't pick on him...he'll throw a fit and threaten to leave.

MU Fan in Connecticut

Quote from: Jockey on June 10, 2020, 01:48:47 PM
Foreign actors are currently able to hack into our voter machines. Does that bother you, too?

Two years ago a hacker at the big Las Vegas Tech Convention as a demonstration hacked into a voter database somewhere in like 10 minutes.

TSmith34, Inc.

Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on June 10, 2020, 04:27:12 PM
Two years ago a hacker at the big Las Vegas Tech Convention as a demonstration hacked into a voter database somewhere in like 10 minutes.
And Senator McTurtle has done everything in his power to block election security bills.  Wonder why?

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/454742-mcconnell-blocks-two-election-security-bills
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/482569-senate-gop-blocks-three-election-security-bills
If you think for one second that I am comparing the USA to China you have bumped your hard.

jesmu84

Serious question... If mail-in or online voting is bad because of the chance of hack/fraud/whatever.. why do we let nearly every other bit of government and private business take place in those realms?

Herman Cain

Quote from: MU82 on June 09, 2020, 09:53:55 PM
They'd bring back the poll tax if they thought they could get away with it.
I think abolishing the poll tax was a mistake. We should bring it back would be healthy for both sides of the political spectrum.

"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

Hards Alumni

Quote from: Herman Cain on June 10, 2020, 08:40:43 PM
I think abolishing the poll tax was a mistake. We should bring it back would be healthy for both sides of the political spectrum.

uhhhh what, you can't be serious.

Jockey

Quote from: Herman Cain on June 10, 2020, 08:40:43 PM
I think abolishing the poll tax was a mistake. We should bring it back would be healthy for both sides of the political spectrum.

So you think poor people should have no right to vote.

You're a real Amurican ?-(

Pakuni

Quote from: Herman Cain on June 10, 2020, 08:40:43 PM
I think abolishing the poll tax was a mistake. We should bring it back would be healthy for both sides of the political spectrum.

Your proposal, while a step in the right direction, doesn't go nearly far enough. Voting should be limited to white male land owners.  It is, after all, the way our Founding Fathers wanted it.

WarriorFan

Two suggestions before this gets locked:
1.  If I can pay tens of thousands of dollars in taxes through a secure IRS website, why can't I vote through a secure web site?
2.  let's tie the two together... everyone gets one vote for every dollar of taxes they pay. 
"The meaning of life isn't gnashing our bicuspids over what comes after death but tasting the tiny moments that come before it."

Billy Hoyle

Quote from: Jockey on June 10, 2020, 01:48:47 PM
Foreign actors are currently able to hack into our voter machines. Does that bother you, too?

Yes, it does. Which is why I support paper only.

Oh, and domestic actors can change vote totals with no paper trail.
"Kevin thinks 'mother' is half a word." - Mike Deane

Mr. Sand-Knit

Quote from: WarriorFan on June 10, 2020, 09:39:18 PM
Two suggestions before this gets locked:
1.  If I can pay tens of thousands of dollars in taxes through a secure IRS website, why can't I vote through a secure web site?
2.  let's tie the two together... everyone gets one vote for every dollar of taxes they pay.

How many Americans have the internet?  How discriminitory,  thought the characters in this string were more woke than that.
Political free board, plz leave your clever quips in your clever mind.


MU82

Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on June 10, 2020, 10:05:32 PM
How many Americans have the internet?  How discriminitory,  thought the characters in this string were more woke than that.

Nobody is saying only allow online voting. Obviously, we need other forms of voting for those who don't have internet service or have some other situation that would prevent them from voting online.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

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