Georgia

[rocket surgeon]

My point is, we shouldn't be patting ourselves on the back.  Maybe this time we try something new and worthwhile.

How many more generations of systemic racism do we need to stare down before we enact tangible change? 

Our judicial, law enforcement, and penal system is totally broken.  Let's start there.

this would be a fantastic start to an interview with CNN or MSNBC.  otherwise, it's all blah blah blah blah

the term "systemic racism" is a head turner. why is it being used more indiscriminately today then say the previous 11 years?  unless i'm not in full understanding of what effect people using it want to evoke, it is an inflammatory "buzz" word. first of all, i don't think 2 people who use the term could come to agreement on what exactly this means.  how do you measure its levels or extensivity?  when will we know it is being remedied?  we have a system that has shown much progress over the past 60 years.  is it perfect or is it complete? no, but to burn down and steal peoples belongings is only emblematic of the problems we fail to address.  bad behavior.   

  "try something new and worthwhile"  ??

  these big cities have been run by umm, you guys for like, generations and they still haven't addressed the rising murder rates, illiteracy, lack of respect for authority(ask any teacher or principal), rampant drug and alcohol abuse, etc etc .  if we had some honest people, they'd be addressing the real problems rather than allowing mob rule distract from them and use some vague, astute sounding sociological term.  but when people try to be honest, they get shout down, beat down and burnt down.  no body is ever at fault personally.   appeasement sure in the hell doesn't work

  how about trying school choice for one? 


one thing that could be instituted and better managed is a peer revue system for cops.  maybe they already have it, but as we've found out, it would be in everyone's best interest to take, once again, an honest look at it and institute some kind of point system or something to get rid of bad cops.   too many things such as this are decided by "who ya know".  in other words, politics 

to get rid of or defund the police is one of the biggest knee jerk and short sighted group think jokes i've ever heard.  do we disband the FBI because of some bad cops at the top?  the people who would be most hurt by disbanding our police will be those who most need it; complete anarchy will quickly fill that vacuum. 

[jesmu84]

this would be a fantastic start to an interview with CNN or MSNBC.  otherwise, it's all blah blah blah blah

the term "systemic racism" is a head turner. why is it being used more indiscriminately today then say the previous 11 years?  unless i'm not in full understanding of what effect people using it want to evoke, it is an inflammatory "buzz" word. first of all, i don't think 2 people who use the term could come to agreement on what exactly this means.  how do you measure its levels or extensivity?  when will we know it is being remedied?  we have a system that has shown much progress over the past 60 years.  is it perfect or is it complete? no, but to burn down and steal peoples belongings is only emblematic of the problems we fail to address.  bad behavior.   

  "try something new and worthwhile"  ??

  these big cities have been run by umm, you guys for like, generations and they still haven't addressed the rising murder rates, illiteracy, lack of respect for authority(ask any teacher or principal), rampant drug and alcohol abuse, etc etc .  if we had some honest people, they'd be addressing the real problems rather than allowing mob rule distract from them and use some vague, astute sounding sociological term.  but when people try to be honest, they get shout down, beat down and burnt down.  no body is ever at fault personally.   appeasement sure in the hell doesn't work

  how about trying school choice for one? 


one thing that could be instituted and better managed is a peer revue system for cops.  maybe they already have it, but as we've found out, it would be in everyone's best interest to take, once again, an honest look at it and institute some kind of point system or something to get rid of bad cops.   too many things such as this are decided by "who ya know".  in other words, politics 

to get rid of or defund the police is one of the biggest knee jerk and short sighted group think jokes i've ever heard.  do we disband the FBI because of some bad cops at the top?  the people who would be most hurt by disbanding our police will be those who most need it; complete anarchy will quickly fill that vacuum.

Source?

Is there not lack of respect for authority in well-to-do suburb/rural white schools? I personally know this happens


What are the real problems?

Mostly agreed

You need to seriously educate on what refund the police means. Start with Camden, NJ

[jesmu84]

https://krdo.com/news/national-world/2020/06/17/atlanta-police-officers-not-answering-some-911-calls-after-former-cop-charged-with-murder-sources-say/

That's messed up.

[Hards Alumni]

this would be a fantastic start to an interview with CNN or MSNBC.  otherwise, it's all blah blah blah blah

the term "systemic racism" is a head turner. why is it being used more indiscriminately today then say the previous 11 years?  unless i'm not in full understanding of what effect people using it want to evoke, it is an inflammatory "buzz" word. first of all, i don't think 2 people who use the term could come to agreement on what exactly this means.  how do you measure its levels or extensivity?  when will we know it is being remedied?  we have a system that has shown much progress over the past 60 years.  is it perfect or is it complete? no, but to burn down and steal peoples belongings is only emblematic of the problems we fail to address.  bad behavior.   

  "try something new and worthwhile"  ??

  these big cities have been run by umm, you guys for like, generations and they still haven't addressed the rising murder rates, illiteracy, lack of respect for authority(ask any teacher or principal), rampant drug and alcohol abuse, etc etc .  if we had some honest people, they'd be addressing the real problems rather than allowing mob rule distract from them and use some vague, astute sounding sociological term.  but when people try to be honest, they get shout down, beat down and burnt down.  no body is ever at fault personally.   appeasement sure in the hell doesn't work

  how about trying school choice for one? 


one thing that could be instituted and better managed is a peer revue system for cops.  maybe they already have it, but as we've found out, it would be in everyone's best interest to take, once again, an honest look at it and institute some kind of point system or something to get rid of bad cops.   too many things such as this are decided by "who ya know".  in other words, politics 

to get rid of or defund the police is one of the biggest knee jerk and short sighted group think jokes i've ever heard.  do we disband the FBI because of some bad cops at the top?  the people who would be most hurt by disbanding our police will be those who most need it; complete anarchy will quickly fill that vacuum.

You really need to get outside your bubble and educate yourself about:

1.  Systemic racism
2.  The canard that cities are the cesspools of murder, illiteracy, and rampant drug use
3.  What defunding the police is... because you'd probably agree with it.

I don't have the time or energy to educate people about these topics if can't be bothered to attempt to understand the concepts.

So do the work, and then come and talk about it.  Because right now, you're pissing into the wind and convinced it's raining.

[tower912]

Pesky southern state with strong union protection.


Defunding the police isn't the answer, IMO.   Adequately funding social services and mental health needs to happen.   Neglected for years.

I am not a zero sum person.   I am a both/and type.

Only tangently related, 90 degrees today and the fire station has no AC.   Our Central AC unit, installed in 1987, croaked this week.   The taxpayers got their money's worth out of it.

[The Sultan]

You really need to get outside your bubble and educate yourself about:

1.  Systemic racism
2.  The canard that cities are the cesspools of murder, illiteracy, and rampant drug use
3.  What defunding the police is... because you'd probably agree with it.

I don't have the time or energy to educate people about these topics if can't be bothered to attempt to understand the concepts.

So do the work, and then come and talk about it.  Because right now, you're pissing into the wind and convinced it's raining.

Also educate yourself about who is doing some of the rioting, looting and burning.  It isn't simply protestors.  There are anarchists, right wing extremists and other everyday people who simply want stuff, taking advantage of the situation.  Some who want to undermine and delegitimize the movement.

The looting and burning down of fast food restuarants, etc. is undoubtedly awful.  But don't let it take your eyes away from the more important problems we are dealing with.  This and the legal history of George Floyd, et. al. shouldn't become the "pig socks" of this moment.  It shouldn't be used as an excuse to do nothing.

Don't be distracted.

[The Sultan]

Defunding the police isn't the answer, IMO.   Adequately funding social services and mental health needs to happen.   Neglected for years.

Yes.  "Defund the police" is a bad phrase.  Reform it.  De-militarize it.  Don't defund it.  We need good, well paid police offcers who make a difference in their communities.

[Hards Alumni]

Pesky southern state with strong union protection.


Defunding the police isn't the answer, IMO.   Adequately funding social services and mental health needs to happen.   Neglected for years.

I am not a zero sum person.   I am a both/and type.

Only tangently related, 90 degrees today and the fire station has no AC.   Our Central AC unit, installed in 1987, croaked this week.   The taxpayers got their money's worth out of it.

You do the first sentence by doing the second sentence.

Police are used too often in our society.  Their jobs are too large and used as a catch all.  And this is where we run into problems.  They have to deal with all the ills of society and aren't adequately trained for it.  Plus... anyone can be a cop.  The average kid sitting next to you who screwed around in high school?  He can be a cop. 

[Hards Alumni]

agree on both counts Fluffy

[tower912]

Fluffy, I understand that taking (for example) $10 million out of the police budget and reallocating it to social work and mental health IS the central theme of defunding the police.  (As opposed to those who just want to use it as a demagoguing sound bite)

My argument is both/and.

[Pakuni]

You really need to get outside your bubble and educate yourself about:

1.  Systemic racism
2.  The canard that cities are the cesspools of murder, illiteracy, and rampant drug use
3.  What defunding the police is... because you'd probably agree with it.

This.
To hear it from some Scoopers, America's cities are on par with mid-80s Beirut.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Our cities are our economic engines

[MU82]

the term "systemic racism" is a head turner. why is it being used more indiscriminately today then say the previous 11 years?  unless i'm not in full understanding of what effect people using it want to evoke, it is an inflammatory "buzz" word. first of all, i don't think 2 people who use the term could come to agreement on what exactly this means.  how do you measure its levels or extensivity?  when will we know it is being remedied?  we have a system that has shown much progress over the past 60 years.  is it perfect or is it complete? no, but to burn down and steal peoples belongings is only emblematic of the problems we fail to address.  bad behavior.   

  "try something new and worthwhile"  ??

Why are people talking more about systemic racism today? Because video evidence caught white cops murdering innocent black people in cold blood, prompting fed-up black folks to take part in protests, some of which turned violent. All of which got everybody talking about all things relating to race, and even got some people in power trying to do something about it. There's more media, especially social media, than ever before, too, so it amplifies the conversation. Today, every man, woman and child with a smartphone is a "reporter." That's why there's more discussion of systemic racism today than, say, the previous 11 years.

As for your apparent disdain or inability to understand what systemic racism is ...

I think most would say it is when the majority race in a society uses discrimination in criminal justice, housing, health care, political policy-setting, employment, education, etc, to keep minority races down. Many (most?) black people in America have been subject to all of that, and it simply doesn't happen in White America. For example, by and large, a white person who is stopped with a broken tail-light is not likely to be told by a white cop to get out of the car, searched illegally, forced to spread-eagle against the car, and beaten if he says a word. Hence, the racism is built into the system, and it's certainly built into policing.

The matter-of-fact brutality in the Floyd case has made even people like you go, "Whoa, that was bad." Of course, had it not been caught on video, you would have believed Chauvin if he had said Floyd tried to kill him; after all, his 3 buddies would have been eyewitnesses and backed up whatever account was necessary to let their pal get away with murder. You wouldn't have even given a 1% possibility to the notion that Floyd was the victim and the cops were bad. That casual dismissal of the black man's rights also would be an example of systemic racism. I wonder how many cops have gotten away with dozens ... hundreds ... thousands of similar situations over the last few decades because there was no video evidence to hold the cops accountable. Another example of systemic racism. Chauvin had a history of racism and violence, yet he kept his job, which made it possible for him to murder Floyd. More systemic racism.

You don't like the term "systemic racism"? Cool. You don't have to use it. But if you don't understand why the conversation is advancing now, why black people and those who believe black lives matter have gotten so fed up that they are doing what they are doing, you are even more blind than your posts on the subject suggest.

Unfortunately, it took a near race riot to get us white folks out of our comfortable, suburban, gated bubbles ... even if it's mostly to say, "Chauvin was bad, but rioting is just as bad if not worse," like some Scoopers have done.

Hell, even your emperor - who 2 weeks ago used his militia to attack peaceful protesters so he could stage a photo-op - is actually trying to listen to black people. What he's proposing is window dressing, and it's hard to take him seriously given his decades of racist words and deeds, but at least he's pretending to try. You might do at least that much.

[MU82]

Us white folks might want to heed the very wise words of a very young white man, Clemson QB Trevor Lawrence:

"There has to be a shift in the way of thinking. Rational must outweigh irrational. Justice must outweigh injustice. Love must outweigh hate. If you put yourself in someone else's shoes and you don't like how it feels - that's when you know things need to change. I'm siding with my brothers that deal, and continuously deal, with things I will never experience. The injustice is clear ... and so is the hate. It can no longer be explained away. If you're still 'explaining' it - check your heart and ask why."

He went on to say he didn't give a shyte if he or Clemson loses fans because of what he says and does in the fight for racial equality.

"It's important for us to stand up for something. It's easy to stay quiet because some people don't want to make people mad. But my thoughts on it are: Those aren't the kind of fans, followers, whatever that you want, if it makes them mad if you stand up for equality."

Effen bravo, young man.

[Silkk the Shaka]

Make no mistake about it. This will be the trump/republican playbook in November.

Steal the election through voter suppression.  This was not an unexpected outcome today. It is what Republicans have fought for. A continuation of their racist policies when it comes to voting.

Same thing the DNC did on Super Tuesday near college campuses & places that skewed younger.

[Lennys Tap]

This.
To hear it from some Scoopers, America's cities are on par with mid-80s Beirut.

Well, to be fair, their are many "cities" within a segregated place like Chicago. Englewood and Lincoln Park may technically be just different neighborhoods in the same city But tell that to the folks stuck in the former.

[Pakuni]

Well, to be fair, their are many "cities" within a segregated place like Chicago. Englewood and Lincoln Park may technically be just different neighborhoods in the same city But tell that to the folks stuck in the former.

[MU82]

nm

[Pakuni]

On a related, the SEC just told Mississippi it won't hold conference championships in the state until it finds itself a new flag.

Not sure how many conference events actually take place in Mississippi, but it's something.

[Uncle Rico]

Our cities are our economic engines

It's easy for politicians from rural areas to take shots at big cities, but without their revenue, they'd struggle to pay for a lot of bills.  Imagine Wisconsin without Madison or Milwaukee.  It's South Dakota without the tourist attractions

[rocket surgeon]

You really need to get outside your bubble and educate yourself about:

1.  Systemic racism
2.  The canard that cities are the cesspools of murder, illiteracy, and rampant drug use
3.  What defunding the police is... because you'd probably agree with it.

I don't have the time or energy to educate people about these topics if can't be bothered to attempt to understand the concepts.

So do the work, and then come and talk about it.  Because right now, you're pissing into the wind and convinced it's raining.

  "get outside of my bubble" ?  educate or indoctrinate?  do the work my eynis!  your #2-the "canard"??  So do the work, and then come and talk about it.  i'm in a bubble?  you guys think you're so smart, sometimes it's best we just hang up and listen... with amazement

   "Because right now, you're pissing into the wind and convinced it's raining."

     that's a cute lil phrase ya copied from someone and liked it so much you couldn't wait to try it out here-lame

but back to the "canard"  if you don't think there aren't systemic lawlessness, education and familial issues in the cities, then i'd just be talking to a stump.  the real issue we have is people being honest about what's going on. 

   allowing a group of domestic terrorist unlawfully occupy a portion of a city unlawfully and the mayor and briefly the governor(until his house got vandalized) called it a "festival"??  peaceful?? 

  arresting violent rioters, assaulters and arsonists only to see them walk right out the back doors of the police station without being charged or held?

a dude who has been arrested 104 times assault a 92 year old in plain daylight on the street-is this the systemic racism you speak of?

proficiency tests of major city schools are atrocious in and of themselves...then given the amount of money, downright disgusting and those are what needs to be disbanded, not police departments for Gods sake, but i'm stocking up regardless.  remember-that lock on my door is for their protection, not mine

 

[The Sultan]

Ah so rocket is going with being distracted and not focusing on the main issues at hand.

I should have suspected he didn't have the intellectual curiosity to look outside his Fox News / OAN bubble.  He's safe where he is.  It's comfortable there.

[jesmu84]

Wow

[Hards Alumni]

  "get outside of my bubble" ?  educate or indoctrinate?  do the work my eynis!  your #2-the "canard"??  So do the work, and then come and talk about it.  i'm in a bubble?  you guys think you're so smart, sometimes it's best we just hang up and listen... with amazement

   "Because right now, you're pissing into the wind and convinced it's raining."

     that's a cute lil phrase ya copied from someone and liked it so much you couldn't wait to try it out here-lame

but back to the "canard"  if you don't think there aren't systemic lawlessness, education and familial issues in the cities, then i'd just be talking to a stump.  the real issue we have is people being honest about what's going on.

   allowing a group of domestic terrorist unlawfully occupy a portion of a city unlawfully and the mayor and briefly the governor(until his house got vandalized) called it a "festival"??  peaceful?? 

  arresting violent rioters, assaulters and arsonists only to see them walk right out the back doors of the police station without being charged or held?

a dude who has been arrested 104 times assault a 92 year old in plain daylight on the street-is this the systemic racism you speak of?

proficiency tests of major city schools are atrocious in and of themselves...then given the amount of money, downright disgusting and those are what needs to be disbanded, not police departments for Gods sake, but i'm stocking up regardless.  remember-that lock on my door is for their protection, not mine

Ah, so you did the exact thing I predicted you'd do.  I'm not suggesting you listen to MSNBC or read the NYT.  I'm suggesting a simple internet search and having you see what pops up.

Here is a great jumping off point.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

Some day you're going to have to ask yourself uncomfortable questions, or risk being "Juror Ten".

[Galway Eagle]

  "get outside of my bubble" ?  educate or indoctrinate?  do the work my eynis!  your #2-the "canard"??  So do the work, and then come and talk about it.  i'm in a bubble?  you guys think you're so smart, sometimes it's best we just hang up and listen... with amazement

   "Because right now, you're pissing into the wind and convinced it's raining."

     that's a cute lil phrase ya copied from someone and liked it so much you couldn't wait to try it out here-lame

but back to the "canard"  if you don't think there aren't systemic lawlessness, education and familial issues in the cities, then i'd just be talking to a stump.  the real issue we have is people being honest about what's going on. 

   allowing a group of domestic terrorist unlawfully occupy a portion of a city unlawfully and the mayor and briefly the governor(until his house got vandalized) called it a "festival"??  peaceful?? 

  arresting violent rioters, assaulters and arsonists only to see them walk right out the back doors of the police station without being charged or held?

a dude who has been arrested 104 times assault a 92 year old in plain daylight on the street-is this the systemic racism you speak of?

proficiency tests of major city schools are atrocious in and of themselves...then given the amount of money, downright disgusting and those are what needs to be disbanded, not police departments for Gods sake, but i'm stocking up regardless.  remember-that lock on my door is for their protection, not mine

Honest question, what was your reaction to the Bundt land dispute? When a horde of, let's say people who like you own guns legally, literally had an armed confrontation with the police?