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vogue65

Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on June 02, 2020, 05:16:59 PM
Pretty sure central air is here to stay, kin.   ;D

One man's man's necessity is another man's fad.
I have a full house fan and ceiling fans in every room.
Remember C.B.radio?
Electric can openers?
Racket ball?
Cassettes?
Super-mini computers?
RIDGID calendars?

I'm glad I'll never have to look for a job and be found out as being VOGUE65 and really nuts. 
At least we can have a laugh while Rome burns.   Most of us take ourselves too seriously.



ZiggysFryBoy

Quote from: vogue65 on June 02, 2020, 10:24:07 PM
One man's man's necessity is another man's fad.
I have a full house fan and ceiling fans in every room.
Remember C.B.radio?
Electric can openers?
Racket ball?
Cassettes?
Super-mini computers?
RIDGID calendars?

I'm glad I'll never have to look for a job and be found out as being VOGUE65 and really nuts. 
At least we can have a laugh while Rome burns.   Most of us take ourselves too seriously.

Dont forget quaaludes, floor vents in cars and hairy bushes.

vogue65

Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on June 02, 2020, 10:26:32 PM
Dont forget quaaludes, floor vents in cars and hairy bushes.

That stuff is before my time.

MU82

"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

vogue65

Quote from: MU82 on June 02, 2020, 11:34:36 PM
Is Scoop a fad?

Very interesting question.
What do you think?
I notice tremendous change of Scoop over the years.
Many of the high quality participants have drifted away.
The political charged crowd have mostly moved on.
For them, yes, Scoop was a fad.  Good example of the concept.
The jury is out for long term sustainability.
People seem to love controversy.

WarriorDad

17 year old girl makes dumb comments.  So did Josh Hader.  I understand  MU's response, but this could have also been a chance to rehabilitate and guide her.  Opportunity missed?

Maybe remove the scholarship for a year, require community service and other atonement. Seems particularly odd that someone who would be a racist to choose to attend MU and the school's surroundings.  This leads me to believe she made dumb remarks, but like many her age has little grasp at their full context. 
"No one is more hated than he who speaks the truth."
— Plato

wadesworld

Quote from: WarriorDad on June 03, 2020, 09:03:41 AM
17 year old girl makes dumb comments.  So did Josh Hader.  I understand  MU's response, but this could have also been a chance to rehabilitate and guide her.  Opportunity missed?

Maybe remove the scholarship for a year, require community service and other atonement. Seems particularly odd that someone who would be a racist to choose to attend MU and the school's surroundings.  This leads me to believe she made dumb remarks, but like many her age has little grasp at their full context.

Josh Hader's comments were 7 years old when they came up.

So you're going to go on record to say that anyone in this country that lives in an urban area or attends an urban college is without a doubt not racist? Yeah, I'm not buying that.

Galway Eagle

MU is white as hell why would it shock you that she chose it? I still remember the diversity speech freshman year and then looking around with my fellow OPRF grads wondering what minorities they were referring to when touting diversity
Retire Terry Rand's jersey!

The Sultan

Quote from: Galway Eagle on June 03, 2020, 09:08:30 AM
MU is white as hell why would it shock you that she chose it? I still remember the diversity speech freshman year and then looking around with my fellow OPRF grads wondering what minorities they were referring to when touting diversity


You grew up in a more diverse location.  Marquette is a pretty diverse school for its type (private and Catholic) and location (Wisconsin)
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Galway Eagle

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on June 03, 2020, 09:30:06 AM

You grew up in a more diverse location.  Marquette is a pretty diverse school for its type (private and Catholic) and location (Wisconsin)

I guess that makes sense. But relative to his point I don't think it's diverse enough that it'd be shocking that she chose MU. the neighborhood angle makes more sense
Retire Terry Rand's jersey!


buckchuckler

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on June 03, 2020, 09:30:06 AM

You grew up in a more diverse location.  Marquette is a pretty diverse school for its type (private and Catholic) and location (Wisconsin)

This seems like a stretch.

Galway Eagle

#87
Quote from: shoothoops on June 03, 2020, 09:38:24 AM
According to MU's Black Student Council, just 4% of MU is black.

https://twitter.com/DeviShastri/status/1267976479985602560?s=19

This statement is a bit of a joke. Saying "despite being in the middle of a predominantly black city" has no bearing on the demographics of a private upper tier university. MPS is crap, my GF teaches at a MPS HS and is jaded from her experiences and doesn't even want to teach anymore due to it. Whether MU equitably recruits African American students from suburbs that have better High schools, or from upper tier city High Schools Is a different story but that statement from them implies they'd prefer to sacrifice a higher quality education to get a preference of local MPS kids who are valedictorians with GPAs in the mid 3s.

Edit: they still should go after those valedictorians with those GPAs but my point was an indictment of the education they're receiving. Heck I knew a girl at MU that was Hamilton's valedictorian and she nearly failed out at MU due to not being prepared for half the stuff that MU students were expected to know.
Retire Terry Rand's jersey!

The Sultan

"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

The Sultan

Quote from: Galway Eagle on June 03, 2020, 09:37:04 AM
I guess that makes sense. But relative to his point I don't think it's diverse enough that it'd be shocking that she chose MU. the neighborhood angle makes more sense


Yeah I agree with you here.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

buckchuckler

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on June 03, 2020, 09:50:03 AM
In what way?

In the way the MU has a smaller African American population % than the state of Wisconsin, and that it is not even close to representing the diversity within the US Catholic community. 

In whatever way you can claim MU is diverse, it would have to come with many qualifiers.  Which probably means it isn't very diverse. 


The Sultan

Quote from: buckchuckler on June 03, 2020, 10:14:51 AM
In the way the MU has a smaller African American population % than the state of Wisconsin, and that it is not even close to representing the diversity within the US Catholic community. 

In whatever way you can claim MU is diverse, it would have to come with many qualifiers.  Which probably means it isn't very diverse. 


I get that.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Dish

My frosh year I lived in O'Donnell, 2SE. I came back from winter break, and had to cross over to the other side of O'D to get my mail. On that side of the floor, there was a large sign an RA made that said "Welcome Back Guys!".

2 days later, I walked by it again on my way to grab mail, and noticed it had been changed. It now said "Welcome Black Guys!".

JWags85

Quote from: shoothoops on June 03, 2020, 09:38:24 AM
According to MU's Black Student Council, just 4% of MU is black.

https://twitter.com/DeviShastri/status/1267976479985602560?s=19

That's really interesting. I went to Miami University, commonly joked about as J Crew U, which always felt like a very homogenous campus (something I didn't know would be a negative for me until midway through college). But the AA student percentage was usually around 5-6% when I was there. Didn't realize Marquette was that low


WI inferiority Complexes

Quote from: MUDish on June 03, 2020, 10:52:36 AM
My frosh year I lived in O'Donnell, 2SE. I came back from winter break, and had to cross over to the other side of O'D to get my mail. On that side of the floor, there was a large sign an RA made that said "Welcome Back Guys!".

2 days later, I walked by it again on my way to grab mail, and noticed it had been changed. It now said "Welcome Black Guys!".
Why not just change the "u" to an "a?"

Galway Eagle

Quote from: warriorchick on June 03, 2020, 11:06:15 AM
29% of last year's freshman class were students of color.

https://www.marquette.edu/institutional-research-analysis/interactive-reports/freshman-dash.php

So that's latinx, Pacific Islander, middle eastern, East Asian, African/African American, Native American. I would like to see the breakout of that on the dashboard.
Retire Terry Rand's jersey!

shoothoops

Quote from: warriorchick on June 03, 2020, 11:06:15 AM
29% of last year's freshman class were students of color.

https://www.marquette.edu/institutional-research-analysis/interactive-reports/freshman-dash.php

One could very reasonably say, MU falls in line with some of its league peers in this regard, w/Georgetown being a big exception. GU is a 50% white place vs 70% plus at MU and some of the others. The breakdowns very where Xavier will more than double the black population of MU but not so in other minority demographics, etc...

But I would prefer MU to lead from the front. My next example may be considered apples to oranges, but play along a bit to see the bigger point. Vanderbilt has become a dramatically more diverse play in a variety of ways, race, geography, etc...and, it has been intentional. Some of that came from its recent Chancellor Nick Zeppos, a Milwaukee native, and two degree Madison person. It's a 50% white place now, and its students are more evenly geographically distributed from all regions of the country.

I am linking a brief piece from 2014 from Tim Corbin, the baseball coach at Vandy. His approach is similar to some of the other non revenue sports there. For them, diversity is intentional. And, success came in the way of three appearances in College World Series Finals and two National Titles. His protege has been doing the same at Michigan, a Finalist last year. Racial, geographic, religious diversity, etc...is intentional, and prioritized.

https://vucommodores.com/diamond-diversity-tim-corbin-s-squad-contains-talent-from-all-backgrounds/

Another big thing that stands out for me is 73% from either Wisconsin or Illinois. That's a lot. I hope MU intentionally makes an effort to increase its geographic diversity as well.

I'm aware enough that these things are not of interest or importance to some. Hopefully these are important to MU.

buckchuckler

#98
Quote from: Galway Eagle on June 03, 2020, 11:22:51 AM
So that's latinx, Pacific Islander, middle eastern, East Asian, African/African American, Native American. I would like to see the breakout of that on the dashboard.
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https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/marquette-university/student-life/diversity/


On a side note, and I don't mean to offend anyone, I am trying to educate myself, why is the term Latinx necessary? I understand that Latino and Latina are not inclusive, but didn't the term Latin already exist as a term that didn't have a gender identity?


buckchuckler

Quote from: shoothoops on June 03, 2020, 11:45:13 AM
One could very reasonably say, MU falls in line with some of its league peers in this regard, w/Georgetown being a big exception. GU is a 50% white place vs 70% plus at MU and some of the others. The breakdowns very where Xavier will more than double the black population of MU but not so in other minority demographics, etc...

But I would prefer MU to lead from the front. My next example may be considered apples to oranges, but play along a bit to see the bigger point. Vanderbilt has become a dramatically more diverse play in a variety of ways, race, geography, etc...and, it has been intentional. Some of that came from its recent Chancellor Nick Zeppos, a Milwaukee native, and two degree Madison person. It's a 50% white place now, and its students are more evenly geographically distributed from all regions of the country.

I am linking a brief piece from 2014 from Tim Corbin, the baseball coach at Vandy. His approach is similar to some of the other non revenue sports there. For them, diversity is intentional. And, success came in the way of three appearances in College World Series Finals and two National Titles. His protege has been doing the same at Michigan, a Finalist last year. Racial, geographic, religious diversity, etc...is intentional, and prioritized.

https://vucommodores.com/diamond-diversity-tim-corbin-s-squad-contains-talent-from-all-backgrounds/

Another big thing that stands out for me is 73% from either Wisconsin or Illinois. That's a lot. I hope MU intentionally makes an effort to increase its geographic diversity as well.

I'm aware enough that these things are not of interest or importance to some. Hopefully these are important to MU.
Depaul is another that is about 50% White.

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