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Re: Bailey declares for draft
« Reply #400 on: May 24, 2020, 05:39:45 PM »
How near? When do you expect Wojo to be gone from Marquette’s head coaching position?

The end isn't at all near. Wojo will be here at least two more years unless someone else hires him away. I don't see any way he isn't here through the 2021-22 season barring a major (think fired for cause) level scandal.

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Re: Bailey declares for draft
« Reply #401 on: May 24, 2020, 06:36:39 PM »
The end isn't at all near. Wojo will be here at least two more years unless someone else hires him away. I don't see any way he isn't here through the 2021-22 season barring a major (think fired for cause) level scandal.

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Re: Bailey declares for draft
« Reply #402 on: May 24, 2020, 06:45:24 PM »
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Re: Bailey declares for draft
« Reply #403 on: May 24, 2020, 07:04:58 PM »
I am not going to argue which team is better,. I will argue that the 2018/2019 team  did not deserve to be a five seed. Seeding is screwed up, because the tournament committee gives as much credit for a November win as a February/March win.

It is possible that the big reason we would of gotten into the tournament this year was that we beat USC in a November game that was destroyed by refs calling 60+ fouls. We did not have the frontline talent that USC had, but the refs eliminated that advantage. On paper we should not of won that game and I do not believe we would of beaten USC again, if we played them in March.

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Re: Bailey declares for draft
« Reply #404 on: May 24, 2020, 08:19:00 PM »
I am not going to argue which team is better,. I will argue that the 2018/2019 team  did not deserve to be a five seed. Seeding is screwed up, because the tournament committee gives as much credit for a November win as a February/March win.

It is possible that the big reason we would of gotten into the tournament this year was that we beat USC in a November game that was destroyed by refs calling 60+ fouls. We did not have the frontline talent that USC had, but the refs eliminated that advantage. On paper we should not of won that game and I do not believe we would of beaten USC again, if we played them in March.

We couldn't beat Depaul in March.

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Re: Bailey declares for draft
« Reply #405 on: May 24, 2020, 08:36:34 PM »
How near? When do you expect Wojo to be gone from Marquette’s head coaching position?
He has 2 more years. Next year will be about .500. After that the remaining contract will be an easy payoff for MU.

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Re: Bailey declares for draft
« Reply #406 on: May 24, 2020, 08:54:18 PM »
He has 2 more years. Next year will be about .500. After that the remaining contract will be an easy payoff for MU.

Would it be an easy payoff? There’s a lot of tough decisions ahead on 12th Street.
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Re: Bailey declares for draft
« Reply #407 on: May 25, 2020, 01:41:36 AM »
Based on the hype around him his freshman year and the inconsistency once he stepped into starting minutes, I can't disagree. There was upside there, but it never felt realized.

You think recruiting miss or failure to develop him?
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Re: Bailey declares for draft
« Reply #408 on: May 25, 2020, 07:07:11 AM »
You think recruiting miss or failure to develop him?

Hard to define it as either. I think the ability was there and I think Bailey was on course to be a quality player as an upperclassmen. I think the two lost years hurt his development more than anything I'd pin on the staff and I think the flashes of skill he showed indicate he wasn't a complete miss. I do think they let a bit too much leak about how big an impact player he would be and he didn't deliver on that in his time here.

I think if there's a failing, it's simply not keeping him around long enough to maximize his potential. It kind of feels like a Jimmy Butler leaving after his sophomore year situation. He looked lost at times, like sophomore year JFB, he showed big flashes at times, like sophomore year JFB, and generally he understood his role, like sophomore year JFB. I'm not at all saying Bailey has the long-term ceiling Butler has shown, but I do think he had a similar collegiate ceiling and the staff just couldn't keep him here to get there.

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« Reply #409 on: May 25, 2020, 07:08:19 AM »
You think recruiting miss or failure to develop him?

Me personally, I think it was failure to develop. To be fair however, I wonder how different things may have been with Brendan had he come to MU right away and not done his 2 year Mormon mission.
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« Reply #410 on: May 25, 2020, 08:00:22 AM »
Didn't fully bounce back from two years off.
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« Reply #411 on: May 25, 2020, 08:14:31 AM »
Bailey was certainly developing.  He was much better sophomore year than his freshman year.  I think he could have ended up a really solid player had he stuck around.  A more versatle, better scoring version of Sacar. 

The two years off didn't help though.
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Re: Bailey declares for draft
« Reply #412 on: May 25, 2020, 08:57:14 AM »
We couldn't beat Depaul in March.
There were quite a few years pre-Wojo where we couldn't beat DePaul twice. Even Buzz's best team inexplicably dropped games to wretched DePaul teams.

I'm not trying to compare any particular teams or any particular coaches, just saying that the inability to sweep DePaul hasn't exactly been a marker on how good or bad a team was.
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« Reply #413 on: May 25, 2020, 08:59:30 AM »
There were quite a few years pre-Wojo where we couldn't beat DePaul twice. Even Buzz's best team inexplicably dropped games to wretched DePaul teams.

I'm not trying to compare any particular teams or any particular coaches, just saying that the inability to sweep DePaul hasn't exactly been a marker on how good or bad a team was.

Absolutely inexcusable to lose to DePaul if you're MU. I don't care who the Coach is..it should never happen. Ever. Crean and Buzz lost to DePaul a combined 6 times in their tenures(that was 6 times to many), Wojo has lost to them 6 times in his 7 years(again, 6 times too many).
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Re: Bailey declares for draft
« Reply #414 on: May 25, 2020, 09:00:09 AM »
Absolutely inexcusable to lose to DePaul if you're MU. I don't care who the Coach is..it should never happen. Ever. Crean and Buzz lost to DePaul a combined 6 times in their tenures(that was 6 times to many), Wojo has lost to them 6 times in his 7 years(again, 6 times too many).

DePaul was much better during the Crean era than today.
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« Reply #415 on: May 25, 2020, 09:07:53 AM »
DePaul was much better during the Crean era than today.

Doesn't matter...still should NEVER happen...I mean MU lost to them when they had Wade, Diener etc. DePaul to MU should be like Milwaukee is to MU. That being said you are correct, dePaul was better then than they are now, which makes Wojo's 6 losses to them even worse. Not a good look.

For anyone that's going to chime in with...well DePaul beat so and so this year or that year. I DON'T CARE. Let them beat those teams. It means nothing as far as how MU should do against them. Period.

Let's put it this way...MU's program/talent level SHOULD be so much further ahead then DePaul's dumpster fire of a program that MU should be able to bring their "D" game against DePaul's "A" game on a regular basis and they still shouldn't lose to them(other than maybe some fluky occurrence). The fact that MU's program(relative to my comparison) isn't at that level vis a vis Depaul, is a big problem to me.
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« Reply #416 on: May 25, 2020, 01:13:35 PM »
Doesn't matter...still should NEVER happen...I mean MU lost to them when they had Wade, Diener etc. DePaul to MU should be like Milwaukee is to MU. That being said you are correct, dePaul was better then than they are now, which makes Wojo's 6 losses to them even worse. Not a good look.

For anyone that's going to chime in with...well DePaul beat so and so this year or that year. I DON'T CARE. Let them beat those teams. It means nothing as far as how MU should do against them. Period.

Let's put it this way...MU's program/talent level SHOULD be so much further ahead then DePaul's dumpster fire of a program that MU should be able to bring their "D" game against DePaul's "A" game on a regular basis and they still shouldn't lose to them(other than maybe some fluky occurrence). The fact that MU's program(relative to my comparison) isn't at that level vis a vis Depaul, is a big problem to me.

Milwaukee is a low/mid major. DePaul is a Big East Team so no, they will never be like UWM is to us. They do get future NBA players (legitimately or not. They paid a lot for the Richardson/Simmons/Hunter group). And this past year, I’d put Moore and Reed ahead of anyone else on MU’s roster other than Howard. That’s because they’re a major, like it or not.

MU never lost to DePaul with Wade, the loss in 2004 was to the conference champ/NCAA second round DePaul team, the next year a20 win, 2nd round NIT DePaul team. Both had NBA players on them, something Milwaukee has never been able to boast.
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« Reply #417 on: May 25, 2020, 02:25:29 PM »
Milwaukee is a low/mid major. DePaul is a Big East Team so no, they will never be like UWM is to us. They do get future NBA players (legitimately or not. They paid a lot for the Richardson/Simmons/Hunter group). And this past year, I’d put Moore and Reed ahead of anyone else on MU’s roster other than Howard. That’s because they’re a major, like it or not.

MU never lost to DePaul with Wade, the loss in 2004 was to the conference champ/NCAA second round DePaul team, the next year a20 win, 2nd round NIT DePaul team. Both had NBA players on them, something Milwaukee has never been able to boast.

DePaul is a mid major program, playing in a Major conference. Period. I don't care what anyone says...MU's program should be at a level where losing to DePaul should ONLY be a fluky occurence. If you want to think/say otherwise, that's fine..I won't use that excuse.
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« Reply #418 on: May 25, 2020, 02:33:10 PM »
DePaul is a mid major program, playing in a Major conference. Period. I don't care what anyone says...MU's program should be at a level where losing to DePaul should ONLY be a fluky occurence. If you want to think/say otherwise, that's fine..I won't use that excuse.

Chris Beard and Texas Tech lost to DePaul.  DePaul probably thought losing to Marquette in the 80’s and early 90’s was unacceptable.  Things can change quickly
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« Reply #419 on: May 25, 2020, 02:33:44 PM »
Bailey was certainly developing.  He was much better sophomore year than his freshman year.  I think he could have ended up a really solid player had he stuck around.  A more versatle, better scoring version of Sacar. 

The two years off didn't help though.

I agree with this.

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« Reply #420 on: May 25, 2020, 02:45:41 PM »
Chris Beard and Texas Tech lost to DePaul.  DePaul probably thought losing to Marquette in the 80’s and early 90’s was unacceptable.  Things can change quickly

DePaul also knocked off Luka Garza (NPOY finalist and first team AA) and Iowa. The dude is beyond irrational here. DePaul had legit talent this past year.
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« Reply #421 on: May 25, 2020, 02:54:34 PM »
DePaul also knocked off Luka Garza (NPOY finalist and first team AA) and Iowa. The dude is beyond irrational here. DePaul had legit talent this past year.

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« Reply #422 on: May 25, 2020, 03:22:31 PM »
DePaul is a mid major program, playing in a Major conference. Period. I don't care what anyone says...MU's program should be at a level where losing to DePaul should ONLY be a fluky occurence. If you want to think/say otherwise, that's fine..I won't use that excuse.

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« Reply #423 on: May 25, 2020, 03:47:12 PM »
DePaul also knocked off Luka Garza (NPOY finalist and first team AA) and Iowa. The dude is beyond irrational here. DePaul had legit talent this past year.

One more time and then I'm done with it...Let me be as perfectly clear as I can..I DO NOT CARE who else DePaul beats. It's totally irrelevant. MU should be at a level as a program/talent that they do NOT lose to DePaul. That's it, that's the final word on it.
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« Reply #424 on: May 25, 2020, 03:52:00 PM »
One more time and then I'm done with it...Let me be as perfectly clear as I can..I DO NOT CARE who else DePaul beats. It's totally irrelevant. MU should be at a level as a program/talent that they do NOT lose to DePaul. That's it, that's the final word on it.

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