Vaccine/Antibody updates

[Galway Eagle]

I hope you're right. But when I hear Fauci and co. moving the goalposts back on herd immunity, Biden saying we'll need masks into 2022, it doesn't make me optimistic.

I could see masks into 22 but that's different than no travel, no bars, no restaurants, no sports etc.

[Galway Eagle]

1st dose done. Not bad at all.

[The Sultan]

I don't anticipate full arenas being allowed for at least two years. Unmasked, maybe never.

I just get the vibe from public health officials that they want some measures in place in perpetuity, even if the vaccination campaign is effective.

Ridiculous. I'd be shocked if we aren't largely back to a normal basketball season by the time MU tips off in November.

[pacearrow02]

Ridiculous. I'd be shocked if we aren't largely back to a normal basketball season by the time MU tips off in November.

I think it's 50/50 on whether or not we'll be back at FF anytime soon...as all of these different strands emerge if the current vaccines are only partially effective against those I don't see how anyone can justify getting back to gatherings involving multiple households much less 18,000 fans packed into an arena.   Why risk it just to watch a game, concert, etc?

[The Sultan]

I think it's 50/50 on whether or not we'll be back at FF anytime soon...as all of these different strands emerge if the current vaccines are only partially effective against those I don't see how anyone can justify getting back to gatherings involving multiple households much less 18,000 fans packed into an arena.   Why risk it just to watch a game, concert, etc?

Because the illness won't be as severe and the $$$ pressure will be too great.

[pacearrow02]

Because the illness won't be as severe and the $$$ pressure will be too great.

Aren't all these new strands more contagious/more deadly? 

[Hards Alumni]

Aren't all these new strands more contagious/more deadly?

Contagious, yes.
Deadly, no.
Severe illness stopped by vaccine, yes.

edit: well, maybe.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/pfizer-says-south-african-variant-222209427.html

[The Sultan]

Contagious, yes.
Deadly, no.
Severe illness stopped by vaccine, yes.

edit: well, maybe.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/pfizer-says-south-african-variant-222209427.html

But people's appetite for doing this into and after the summer will be done.  As with the flu, speeding, gun ownership, etc., there will be a level of illness and death that will be considered a reasonable trade off for getting life to normal.

[cheebs09]

But people's appetite for doing this into and after the summer will be done.  As with the flu, speeding, gun ownership, etc., there will be a level of illness and death that will be considered a reasonable trade off for getting life to normal.

I think the prevention of severe illness aspect isn't being talked about enough. I think I saw a tweet that with the vaccines, we'd expect far less deaths per year than the flu.  If I'm told the extent of risk of Covid is being sick a few days, then I'm very comfortable going into the world. It seems a lot of people are focused on the fact that it's not 100% preventing disease.

My only question would be, does that include preventing the long term impacts (heart issues, respiratory issues, etc.)?

[The Sultan]

I think the prevention of severe illness aspect isn't being talked about enough. I think I saw a tweet that with the vaccines, we'd expect far less deaths per year than the flu.  If I'm told the extent of risk of Covid is being sick a few days, then I'm very comfortable going into the world. It seems a lot of people are focused on the fact that it's not 100% preventing disease.

My only question would be, does that include preventing the long term impacts (heart issues, respiratory issues, etc.)?

YES on the bolded.  EXACTLY.

There was the head of the local health system on this morning talking about this exact thing.  How people are not getting the vaccine because it isn't 100% effective.  But it doesn't need to be!  And I don't think these messages are getting out enough.

[forgetful]

Contagious, yes.
Deadly, no.
Severe illness stopped by vaccine, yes.

edit: well, maybe.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/pfizer-says-south-african-variant-222209427.html

They should get booster shots ready. Have a very high level of surveillance on new strains. When one pops up that has high levels of immunity to the vaccine, quickly offer boosters to the entire surrounding communities to hopefully stop the spread of resistant variants.

Might be able to get ahead of the variants with a proactive approach.

[GooooMarquette]

They should get booster shots ready. Have a very high level of surveillance on new strains. When one pops up that has high levels of immunity to the vaccine, quickly offer boosters to the entire surrounding communities to hopefully stop the spread of resistant variants.

Might be able to get ahead of the variants with a proactive approach.

That's a good proactive plan. One of the benefits of the mRNA platform is that we should be able to quickly develop a vaccine to combat evolving variants. Hopefully by then we'll have enough experience with the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines that FDA will let it through without a full regulatory review.

[Jockey]

Ridiculous. I'd be shocked if we aren't largely back to a normal basketball season by the time MU tips off in November.

Unless there is a new vaccine-resistant strain this spring/summer, I completely agree. I will be getting the shots in march and am currently planning 2 different vacations. If still necessary, I will follow protocols with masks, but I will no longer have a problem with being in crowds.

By Fall, we should be closing in on normal. Those who refuse the virus will be left behind (available to be sick or dead). By the fall, society in general will have lost all patience for those refuseniks.

[BrewCity83]

Unless there is a new vaccine-resistant strain this spring/summer, I completely agree. I will be getting the shots in march and am currently planning 2 different vacations. If still necessary, I will follow protocols with masks, but I will no longer have a problem with being in crowds.

By Fall, we should be closing in on normal. Those who refuse the virus will be left behind (available to be sick or dead). By the fall, society in general will have lost all patience for those refuseniks.

I'm going to refuse the virus.  Why should that leave me behind?

[Jockey]

I'm going to refuse the virus.  Why should that leave me behind?

Yes I deserve your ridicule. Fingers and brain are not always in sync.

[JWags85]

I'm curious as to what point in the vaccination progress cycle we will see travel shaming/outrage start to wane. Cause it's still hot and heavy, even towards people who are already vaccinated.

[🏀]

Got Moderna #1 this afternoon, pleasant experience. Will go again.

[tower912]

Probably because I still have the antibodies, shot 1 is hitting me like the anecdotes say shot 2 hits you.

Pfizer.

[Galway Eagle]

Pfizer

I'm really tired today and arm feels like a couple flu shots. Was really impressed with how quick the shot was. Barely even registered it was in and then she said she was done

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Pfizer

I'm really tired today and arm feels like a couple flu shots. Was really impressed with how quick the shot was. Barely even registered it was in and then she said she was done

Irish curse, aina?

[Hards Alumni]

Never really had any side effects from either shot.  Maybe a really weak headache.

[Galway Eagle]

Irish curse, aina?

Lol

[mu_hilltopper]

I've had 30+ flu shots over the years.  Sometimes the vaccinator is great, the needle goes in, bam, out, in half a second .. other times not so much, the slow deliberate vaccinator is the worst.

One time a lady inserted the needle and then said "OOPS!" and left it there for a moment as she collected herself.  The syringe was empty, she'd forgotten to fill it.  Oops, indeed.

[wadesworld]

I've had 30+ flu shots over the years.  Sometimes the vaccinator is great, the needle goes in, bam, out, in half a second .. other times not so much, the slow deliberate vaccinator is the worst.

One time a lady inserted the needle and then said "OOPS!" and left it there for a moment as she collected herself.  The syringe was empty, she'd forgotten to fill it.  Oops, indeed.

I used to give blood every 8 weeks.  I'm a fairly thin guy so once they tie that band around your arm and have you squeeze like a stress ball a couple times it's pretty easy to find a vein to poke the needle into on me.  It always went quick, to the point sometimes they would comment on how quickly the bag was filling up.  Usually like 10 minutes and it was done, no bruising.  One time they asked me if I was okay with a nurse in training or something getting the bloodwork going.  I don't really care, so I said no problem.  She gets the band around my arm, has me squeeze the stress ball, the vein is sticking out clear as day to see, yet she continues to poke around other areas.  Ultimately she decides the vein sticking way out is the way to go.  She poked around a couple times with the needle, finally gets the needle in, then is like examining it and asks if they ever have trouble with getting blood to flow or whatever.  I told her no, usually it's very quick.  She walks away, leaving the needle totally uncovered, and comes back with one of the full time nurses.  Eventually they pull the needle out and poke it back in and finish it up.  I had a bruise damn near from my shoulder to my wrist when I woke up the next day.

[Hards Alumni]

I used to give blood every 8 weeks.  I'm a fairly thin guy so once they tie that band around your arm and have you squeeze like a stress ball a couple times it's pretty easy to find a vein to poke the needle into on me.  It always went quick, to the point sometimes they would comment on how quickly the bag was filling up.  Usually like 10 minutes and it was done, no bruising.  One time they asked me if I was okay with a nurse in training or something getting the bloodwork going.  I don't really care, so I said no problem.  She gets the band around my arm, has me squeeze the stress ball, the vein is sticking out clear as day to see, yet she continues to poke around other areas.  Ultimately she decides the vein sticking way out is the way to go.  She poked around a couple times with the needle, finally gets the needle in, then is like examining it and asks if they ever have trouble with getting blood to flow or whatever.  I told her no, usually it's very quick.  She walks away, leaving the needle totally uncovered, and comes back with one of the full time nurses.  Eventually they pull the needle out and poke it back in and finish it up.  I had a bruise damn near from my shoulder to my wrist when I woke up the next day.

No one was observing the trainee stick a needle in your arm????????????????