Vaccine/Antibody updates

[Mutaman]

Florida and the vaccination process

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/12/29/covid-vaccine-floridas-roll-out-seniors-gets-off-rocky-start/4067324001/

[pbiflyer]

Florida and the vaccination process

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/12/29/covid-vaccine-floridas-roll-out-seniors-gets-off-rocky-start/4067324001/

Once again, our governor living up to his name, DeathSantis.
And the morons in our state will probably reelect him.

[Lennys Tap]

Once again, our governor living up to his name, DeathSantis.
And the morons in our state will probably reelect him.

Poor implementation (at least initially) of a policy is his fault/responsibility. Doesn't have anything to do with whether the policy itself is a good one.

[pbiflyer]

Poor implementation (at least initially) of a policy is his fault/responsibility. Doesn't have anything to do with whether the policy itself is a good one.

While I agree with your point, he has shown incompetence on so many levels, why trust his policy?> My god, he has an uber driving conspiracy theorist heading up the information he is using to base his decisions on.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Part of controlling the initial implementation of the vaccine is to build the infrastructure to administer large amounts of vaccine and control demand as for quite some time it will be in excess of supply.

It's a nice headline though.   

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Part of controlling the initial implementation of the vaccine is to build the infrastructure to administer large amounts of vaccine and control demand as for quite some time it will be in excess of supply.

It's a nice headline though.

By the way FL isn't alone.  All 50 states are doing their own thing and the feds are washing their hands of this as soon as the vaccine is 'distributed' according to both Pres and VP.  I hope the money in the CARES II act is enough to get this going but there clearly is going to be a looming problem in Jan/Feb when everyone wants their vaccine.

[tower912]

My daughter, the occupational therapist in Maryland, got the first dose of the vaccine this morning.

[Jockey]

By the way FL isn't alone.  All 50 states are doing their own thing and the feds are washing their hands of this as soon as the vaccine is 'distributed' according to both Pres and VP.  I hope the money in the CARES II act is enough to get this going but there clearly is going to be a looming problem in Jan/Feb when everyone wants their vaccine.

I'll repeat myself again. Vaccines don't end epidemics. Vaccinations do.

We have had more than enough time to coordinate a national vaccination policy. The killers in the WH and Vice President's mansion simply don't care if any of you live or die.

[GooooMarquette]

By the way FL isn't alone.  All 50 states are doing their own thing and the feds are washing their hands of this as soon as the vaccine is 'distributed' according to both Pres and VP.  I hope the money in the CARES II act is enough to get this going but there clearly is going to be a looming problem in Jan/Feb when everyone wants their vaccine.

Sad but true; the Trump administration has no interest in helping the states out on distribution. As a result, disagreements about prioritization are far less worrisome than the lack of resources for states to actually implement a distribution plan.

Hopefully, the Biden administration can quickly get the states what they need. If it doesn't, we all may still be wearing masks on the Fourth of July....

[jesmu84]

We're doing 1 million vaccines/week.

For 80% herd immunity that will take 10 years.

To get herd immunity by 6 months (the original federal timeline), we'd need 3.5 million vaccines per day.

(Numbers taken from CNN interview)

[GooooMarquette]

We're doing 1 million vaccines/week.

For 80% herd immunity that will take 10 years.

To get herd immunity by 6 months (the original federal timeline), we'd need 3.5 million vaccines per day.

(Numbers taken from CNN interview)

Yep. States, hospitals and pharmacies are doing their best, but it's a monumental task that begs for centralized coordination and resources.

[MU82]

Hopefully, the Biden administration can quickly get the states what they need. If it doesn't, we all may still be wearing masks on the Fourth of July....

Agree ... except who is "we"? Millions of Americans are proud mouth-breathers who scream "MAGA! Freedom!" whenever masks are mentioned.

[Marquette Fan]

I originally heard 500 vaccine doses had to be discarded after a human error resulting in them not being refrigerated properly at Aurora Medical Center-Grafton and thought that's not so great but yeah sh*t happens.  But I just read today that someone did this on purpose - what the heck?  They were fired of course and imagine they might face some charges:

https://www.fox6now.com/news/aurora-grafton-discarded-covid-19-vaccine-incident-was-intentional?utm_campaign=trueAnthem%20Manual&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR3Jg2QAn2PzdAqAzqUzKULa0lUupKEhMpc8mPffai7kT7W4Z43g8GRdjro

[GooooMarquette]

I originally heard 500 vaccine doses had to be discarded after a human error resulting in them not being refrigerated properly at Aurora Medical Center-Grafton and thought that's not so great but yeah sh*t happens.  But I just read today that someone did this on purpose - what the heck?  They were fired of course and imagine they might face some charges:

https://www.fox6now.com/news/aurora-grafton-discarded-covid-19-vaccine-incident-was-intentional?utm_campaign=trueAnthem%20Manual&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR3Jg2QAn2PzdAqAzqUzKULa0lUupKEhMpc8mPffai7kT7W4Z43g8GRdjro

That is absolutely appalling.

[Marquette Fan]

That is absolutely appalling.

It never occurred to me that someone would do this on purpose - how awful

[Warriors4ever]

I just read this on another site. I am speechless. It's jaw-dropping really.

[reinko]

It never occurred to me that someone would do this on purpose - how awful

Is it really?  I'm sure you know plenty of people like I do, who crowd themselves into bars, restaurants, and hosted big indoor holiday gatherings...essentially the same thing.

America - Eff Yeah!

[Marquette Fan]

Is it really?  I'm sure you know plenty of people like I do, who crowd themselves into bars, restaurants, and hosted big indoor holiday gatherings...essentially the same thing.

America - Eff Yeah!

Both are bad but I honestly never thought someone would do something like this on person and it's pretty awful in my opinion.  I guess maybe I'm naive to think that someone wouldn't do that though...

[Galway Eagle]

Are they an anti vaxxer? Were they trying to take them for friends and family?

[Warriors4ever]

The doses were left out to spoil, so they weren't intended for friends and family,

[Eldon]

Healthcare workers say 'no thanks' to the COVID vaccine:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/many-frontline-workers-refuse-covid-201555764.html

[GooooMarquette]

Healthcare workers say 'no thanks' to the COVID vaccine:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/many-frontline-workers-refuse-covid-201555764.html

I didn't expect 100% compliance, but this just blows my mind.

If it had been approved this past fall before the the safety data had been properly analyzed, I could have understood. I personally was concerned when they were talking approval before the election. But once the companies and NIH made it clear that they weren't going to rush the data analysis or strong-arm the DSMBs, I grew much more open-minded. And once the data were made public, I thought it would be a no-brainer for frontline workers.

This really gives me concern about what we'll see once we get past the 65+ and other high-risk groups.

[MU82]

We've got some real effed-up dopes in this country.

[rocky_warrior]

We've got some real effed-up dopes in this country.

Again, try to hold judgement. For example, I have an older sister in ohio that is an rn at a nursing home. I haven't talked to her yet, but she's already "survived" covid and I wouldn't be surprised if she declined a vaccine thinking that someone else might need "her dose" more.

The logistics have been a nightmare, and those forgoing doses might unwittingly be letting those go to waste (assuming better organization). But the truth is, unless you're directly connected to a hospital or elderly care facility there's not been much planning for this by the states (even though we'd hope otherwise).

[MU82]

Again, try to hold judgement. For example, I have an older sister in ohio that is an rn at a nursing home. I haven't talked to her yet, but she's already "survived" covid and I wouldn't be surprised if she declined a vaccine thinking that someone else might need "her dose" more.

The logistics have been a nightmare, and those forgoing doses might unwittingly be letting those go to waste (assuming better organization). But the truth is, unless you're directly connected to a hospital or elderly care facility there's not been much planning for this by the states (even though we'd hope otherwise).

I wasn't speaking to any particular group of people, rocky. Obviously, your sister has an outstanding reason for making that decision.