Vaccine/Antibody updates

[lawdog77]

Trump orders FDA chief to authorize vaccine today or he will be fired.

Dr. Hahn denied that occurred,

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Dr. Hahn denied that occurred,

The president tweeted it.  So it happened, Not sure though if Hahn knew about it. 

[lawdog77]

The president tweeted it.  So it happened, Not sure though if Hahn knew about it.

I dont read his tweets did he say he would be fired?

[GooooMarquette]

The president tweeted it.  So it happened, Not sure though if Hahn knew about it.

Part of the bizarro world of this dysfunctional administration.

Like when Comey learned that he had 'resigned' by seeing it on a newscast when he was at FBI's LA field office...

[GooooMarquette]

I dont read his tweets did he say he would be fired?

Meadows told him to 'submit his resignation' if it isn't approved by the end of the day....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/12/11/trump-stephen-hahn-fda-covid-vaccine/

[lawdog77]

Meadows told him to 'submit his resignation' if it isn't approved by the end of the day....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/12/11/trump-stephen-hahn-fda-covid-vaccine/

the cnn article states Hahn denied this.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

I dont read his tweets did he say he would be fired?

My mistake.  It does not say those words.  I was mixed what the tweet said (get the vaccines out now) with an article that attributed the firing thing to meadows. 

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1337369403638362114?s=21

[lawdog77]

Hahn has been quoted saying that was not what happened on the call.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Hahn has been quoted saying that was not what happened on the call.

Yes I know.  I admitted that I was mistaken about the tweet

[GooooMarquette]

Hahn has to deny it. If he doesn't, he plays along with Trump's game of undermining public trust in the vaccine.

[lawdog77]

Yes I know.  I admitted that I was mistaken about the tweet

No worries, wasnt trying to call you out, and I am no means a Trump guy. He's done enough stupid and dangerous stuff, but even hes not that stupid. The public has to trust the vaccine

[GooooMarquette]

No worries, wasnt trying to call you out, and I am no means a Trump guy. He's done enough stupid and dangerous stuff, but even hes not that stupid. The public has to trust the vaccine

Absolutely critical. Whether it happened or not, Hahn did the right thing by denying it.

[rocket surgeon]

apologize if this has been mentioned as i haven't read all 700+ comments in this thread, but how long does it take for one to develop immune defense against virus after receiving the vaccine?

[rocky_warrior]

[rocket surgeon]

thanks rock!  but damn!  i hate needles

[jesmu84]

thanks rock!  but damn!  i hate needles

Hopefully the person administering yours won't be a female with a shaved head

[rocket surgeon]

Hopefully the person administering yours won't be a female with a shaved head

  and why would that be mr jesmu84?  hell, i wouldn't mind if the female had all her business taken care of and well landscaped

[MU82]

I was wondering if it was legal for businesses, and even government entities, could require employees to get vaccinated. Well, thanks to the NYT, I found out the answer: Yes, totally legal.

In 1905, the Supreme Court ruled against a pastor, Henning Jacobson, who had sued the state of Massachusetts for requiring residents to take a vaccine after an outbreak of smallpox. "Real liberty for all could not exist under the operation of a principle which recognizes the right of each individual person to use his own, whether in respect of his person or his property, regardless of the injury that may be done to others," the court ruled. "It is, then, liberty regulated by law."

That ruling, and others after, it have repeatedly reaffirmed this principle. As for private businesses, they can choose to hire, fire and transact with anyone, unless they discriminate based on a protected category.

[tower912]

That will get challenged.     For some religious freedom reason, so it will have a decent chance of being overturned. 

[Marquette Fan]

Opinion piece about Coivd 19 vaccines being worthless if people aren't vaccinated

https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/529856-covid-19-vaccines-are-worthless-if-people-arent-vaccinated

[Jockey]

Opinion piece about Coivd 19 vaccines being worthless if people aren't vaccinated

https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/529856-covid-19-vaccines-are-worthless-if-people-arent-vaccinated

Vaccines don't stop epidemics. Vaccinations do.

[GooooMarquette]

That will get challenged.     For some religious freedom reason, so it will have a decent chance of being overturned.

It will likely be challenged, but I am not so sure it will be overturned. Even with the conservative makeup of the Supreme Court, clear established precedent is difficult to overturn.

[forgetful]

It will likely be challenged, but I am not so sure it will be overturned. Even with the conservative makeup of the Supreme Court, clear established precedent is difficult to overturn.

This would be my take as well. Overturning this would require the Supreme Court to completely disregard very well established legal precedent, including multiple SCOTUS decisions.

Wouldn't entirely rule it out, as we have a couple new jurists that really don't care about precedent, but would be a bit surprised.

[forgetful]

I was a bit embarrassed by the President's proclamation on the USA ending the pandemic with "their" vaccine.

This vaccine is jointly developed by Pfizer (US) and BioNtech (German). BioNtech has the specific expertise in mRNA technology, development, and production. They are essential to this vaccine.

It is more an example of how international collaboration can lead to major breakthroughs. Instead of celebrating international collaboration, he decided to make it political, and about us being better than others. It honestly is a sign of why we can't have nice things. Ego, and privilege "trumping," cooperation and equality.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

I was a bit embarrassed by the President's proclamation on the USA ending the pandemic with "their" vaccine.

This vaccine is jointly developed by Pfizer (US) and BioNtech (German). BioNtech has the specific expertise in mRNA technology, development, and production. They are essential to this vaccine.

It is more an example of how international collaboration can lead to major breakthroughs. Instead of celebrating international collaboration, he decided to make it political, and about us being better than others. It honestly is a sign of why we can't have nice things. Ego, and privilege "trumping," cooperation and equality.

From the snippet of an interview I heard, BioN really did the majority of the science, but they needed a much larger partner in order to get through all the steps to get it to market. They did not have the resources to get it through Phase III and so used Pfizer for all their infrastructure.