Vaccine/Antibody updates

[pacearrow02]

The initial message was also 2 weeks to flatten the curve.   

People chose to remember what they want.  For a lot of people, Fauci's credibility was shot then.

As previously discussed, early on messaging was all over the place coming from all angles.  Today is the one year anniversary of NY political leaders jointly urging New Yorkers to go on about their normal daily lives.  Ride the subways, go to a movie etc cause as they said in the release this virus is very difficult to "pass to one another". 

In fairness to Fauci and the rest of the task force, the initial 15 days to slow the spread message was largely in the context of making sure hospitals don't get overrun.  I don't believe the goal of that timeline was 15 days of good behavior will wipe the virus from existence, unfortunately as things got politicized the goalposts of what that 15-30 day "lockdown" period was supposed to achieve got shifted. 

[GooooMarquette]

The initial message was also 2 weeks to flatten the curve.   

People chose to remember what they want.  For a lot of people, Fauci's credibility was shot then.

True enough. Either way, we have been forced into the unfortunate reality that current messaging is hampered by overly optimistic statements from the past.

[pacearrow02]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Acosta/status/1234662406443241478

It's been strangely interesting and looking at the daily updates as each day in 2021 brings the "what happened a year ago today" pandemic timeline.

This quote of "I think he finally got it" from a pharmaceutical eXpeRT implying the idea of a vaccine being ready in less then a year is moronic and impossible was thankfully wrong.

[MU82]

It's troubling that the then-president willingly and admittedly lied to the public for months about the severity of a virus that he privately acknowledged was 5 times "more deadly than even your strenuous flus" while publicly saying it was just like the flu. But I seriously give him some slack for much of what he said in February and into March for the very reasons we're discussing now: The messaging by the supposed experts WAS all over the place.

I mean, Fauci and others WERE saying that masks not only were unnecessary but actually bad. They theoretically were doing it to protect the supply of masks for health-care workers, but it still wasn't true. Why should the then-president be blamed for saying similar things?

However, by mid-March into April, the messaging from the scientists changed quite significantly. Masks were being strongly recommended, as was social distancing and other mitigation efforts. And the then-president was mostly going along ... until mid-April when he got impatient and just chucked the entire thing. It didn't matter that he, himself, had laid out guidelines for re-opening; he simply said "screw it." And he started telling his followers to screw it, too.

That's where the dishonest, dangerous messaging became all his. "Damn the science! Full steam ahead!" It led to hundreds of thousands of Americans dying from COVID-19, and it ultimately led to him getting fired.

[pacearrow02]

It's troubling that the then-president willingly and admittedly lied to the public for months about the severity of a virus that he privately acknowledged was 5 times "more deadly than even your strenuous flus" while publicly saying it was just like the flu. But I seriously give him some slack for much of what he said in February and into March for the very reasons we're discussing now: The messaging by the supposed experts WAS all over the place.

I mean, Fauci and others WERE saying that masks not only were unnecessary but actually bad. They theoretically were doing it to protect the supply of masks for health-care workers, but it still wasn't true. Why should the then-president be blamed for saying similar things?

However, by mid-March into April, the messaging from the scientists changed quite significantly. Masks were being strongly recommended, as was social distancing and other mitigation efforts. And the then-president was mostly going along ... until mid-April when he got impatient and just chucked the entire thing. It didn't matter that he, himself, had laid out guidelines for re-opening; he simply said "screw it." And he started telling his followers to screw it, too.

That's where the dishonest, dangerous messaging became all his. "Damn the science! Full steam ahead!" It led to hundreds of thousands of Americans dying from COVID-19, and it ultimately led to him getting fired.

Ya his messaging around masks was dumb, confusing and inconsistent.

But he often times encouraged the use of masks/face coverings and repeatedly said he has no problem with them but that it's simply not for him.  In late March/early April he was criticized for encouraging people to use a scarf or other cloth covering on their face since hospitals needed the n95 and surgical masks saved for them.  I agree in that his mask messaging was not great and cost us/him dearly but to say he said "f " it isn't exactly the case either.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/01/coronavirus-trumps-idea-to-use-scarf-is-unproven-doctors-say.html

[MU82]

Ya his messaging around masks was dumb, confusing and inconsistent.

But he often times encouraged the use of masks/face coverings and repeatedly said he has no problem with them but that it's simply not for him.  In late March/early April he was criticized for encouraging people to use a scarf or other cloth covering on their face since hospitals needed the n95 and surgical masks saved for them.  I agree in that his mask messaging was not great and cost us/him dearly but to say he said "f " it isn't exactly the case either.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/01/coronavirus-trumps-idea-to-use-scarf-is-unproven-doctors-say.html

On April 16, the then-president had the most presidential day of his term, calmly and thoroughly telling America about guidelines that states needed to reach to re-open.

Eighteen hours later, he encouraged thugs to storm several state capitols and "LIBERATE MINNESOTA! LIBERATE MICHIGAN! LIBERATE VIRGINIA!" even though not a single one of those states were anywhere near having met the guidelines that he, himself, had presented. (Fun fact: Many of the thugs who stormed the Michigan capitol at Trump's urging later tried to kidnap, torture and kill the governor.)

That was the beginning of the end. On April 29, Jared called the administration's response to the virus "a great success story." (Yes! Victory over COVID-19 was achieved by the noble Donald F. Trump! Only about 500K more Americans would die after that, thanks to his successful handling of the virus!)

From then on, it was one dereliction of duty after another. No-mask, no-social-distancing, super-spreader rallies that killed and/or hospitalized his own supporters (and himself) ... not only refusing to wear a mask himself but actually mocking those who did wear masks ... using racist names to describe the virus ... lies and more lies and more lies, etc.

It was more than a little bad messaging about masks, but if that's what you need to believe to feel good about your hero, that's cool.

[cheebs09]

Wow. Biden announcing there will be enough to vaccinate every adult by the end of May. Can't say I was expecting that.

[BrewCity83]

Happy Summer!!

[pacearrow02]

On April 16, the then-president had the most presidential day of his term, calmly and thoroughly telling America about guidelines that states needed to reach to re-open.

Eighteen hours later, he encouraged thugs to storm several state capitols and "LIBERATE MINNESOTA! LIBERATE MICHIGAN! LIBERATE VIRGINIA!" even though not a single one of those states were anywhere near having met the guidelines that he, himself, had presented. (Fun fact: Many of the thugs who stormed the Michigan capitol at Trump's urging later tried to kidnap, torture and kill the governor.)

That was the beginning of the end. On April 29, Jared called the administration's response to the virus "a great success story." (Yes! Victory over COVID-19 was achieved by the noble Donald F. Trump! Only about 500K more Americans would die after that, thanks to his successful handling of the virus!)

From then on, it was one dereliction of duty after another. No-mask, no-social-distancing, super-spreader rallies that killed and/or hospitalized his own supporters (and himself) ... not only refusing to wear a mask himself but actually mocking those who did wear masks ... using racist names to describe the virus ... lies and more lies and more lies, etc.

It was more than a little bad messaging about masks, but if that's what you need to believe to feel good about your hero, that's cool.

So if he tweeted "Liberate Michigan but remember keep 6ft of distance and wear your masks" he would have been fine?

[pacearrow02]

Wow. Biden announcing there will be enough to vaccinate every adult by the end of May. Can't say I was expecting that.

Amazing news!!!  So with states already opening up fully and able bodied adults who want a vaccine being able to get one in the next 60-90 days why in the hell are we trying to pass another 1.9 trillion worth of Covid aid?  There are hundreds of billions left already unspent, reallocate those leftovers more appropriately and let's get the show on the road.

[The Sultan]

Dolly 'effin Parton is a national treasure.

https://twitter.com/DollyParton/status/1366866210852323328?s=20

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Dolly 'effin Parton is a national treasure.

https://twitter.com/DollyParton/status/1366866210852323328?s=20

She's got a damn good plastic surgeon

[The Sultan]

She's got a damn good plastic surgeon

And she owns it too.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2019/09/03/dolly-parton-talks-plastic-surgery-i-wasnt-naturally-pretty/2196407001/

And a damn good voice.

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

Amazing news!!!  So with states already opening up fully and able bodied adults who want a vaccine being able to get one in the next 60-90 days why in the hell are we trying to pass another 1.9 trillion worth of Covid aid?  There are hundreds of billions left already unspent, reallocate those leftovers more appropriately and let's get the show on the road.

There is an awful amount of back rent, bills, and lost jobs to recover from. Reopening doesn't just magically solve that.

[BrewCity83]

There is an awful amount of back rent, bills, and lost jobs to recover from. Reopening doesn't just magically solve that.

Too bad that's not where Congress is targeting most of the 1.9 trillion.

[tower912]

Merck helping J&J.   Talk about the art of the deal.

[Marquette Fan]

I liked reading about how many people worked here to make sure no vaccines went to waste after a freezer failure late at night:

https://www.king5.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/vaccine/seattle-university-moderna-coronavirus-vaccine/281-901b8aa3-0c32-489b-a065-e1b276621d6e?fbclid=IwAR3VXlEeBjUsdSjQmv4ifEDE4tDZDmpEpMXm2s5pufXBu4Yijc3g1sxMyG0

[MU82]

So if he tweeted "Liberate Michigan but remember keep 6ft of distance and wear your masks" he would have been fine?

Exactly.

But maybe - probably not, but maybe - you'll stop saying his only failing regarding COVID-19 was his "messaging."

The way he handled it from mid-April on was a national disgrace and a national disaster.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

And she owns it too.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2019/09/03/dolly-parton-talks-plastic-surgery-i-wasnt-naturally-pretty/2196407001/

And a damn good voice.

Yeah, to able to sing like that at 73 is pretty amazing

[pacearrow02]

Exactly.

But maybe - probably not, but maybe - you'll stop saying his only failing regarding COVID-19 was his "messaging."

The way he handled it from mid-April on was a national disgrace and a national disaster.

We were taking about masks so my comments were on his messaging around masks given the context of the conversation.  Of course it wasn't his or the administrations only mistake but I think it was the most egregious.  But to say their response was a national disaster is hyperbole, even for you amigo.

Fauci's boss just recently gave some glowing remarks on the accomplishments of operation warp speed.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

Wow. Biden announcing there will be enough to vaccinate every adult by the end of May. Can't say I was expecting that.

It's what competentcy looks like.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

It's what competentcy looks like.

Get da fuq outta here.

Droolin Joe didn't do a GD thing.  "Why am I here?"

[wadesworld]

Get da fuq outta here.

Droolin Joe didn't do a GD thing.  "Why am I here?"

I wonder what it's like to be so ignorant.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

I wonder what it's like to be so ignorant.

Mirror, brah.  Mirror.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

I wonder what it's like to be so ignorant.

Not ignorant, reality-proofed. Observable reality doesn't stand a chance against the fantasy world they've constructed for themselves.