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rocky_warrior

People need to stop getting their britches in any kind of bunch when they hear about other folks getting vaccines.  Most of us aren't going to get it for a good long time still -and that's just numbers.  There will be some odd ones - most not famous - but some famous.  Save your pout-rage for something more important.

The Sultan

Quote from: HutchwasClutch on January 30, 2021, 11:03:44 PM
Maybe you should have bothered to read up on what actually happened in this story instead of assuming. 

Here is my opinion.  I don't care who gave the order, be it the Trump or the Biden administration.

Using 40 vaccines on Gitmo detainees is fine by me, and getting outraged over this is dumb.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

The Sultan

Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 31, 2021, 01:00:50 AM
People need to stop getting their britches in any kind of bunch when they hear about other folks getting vaccines.  Most of us aren't going to get it for a good long time still -and that's just numbers.  There will be some odd ones - most not famous - but some famous.  Save your pout-rage for something more important.

Exactly.  The distribution and administration of the vaccine isn't some big morality play.  Its about keeping people healthy so society can return to normal.

When I am told to get it, I will get it.  If I am asked tomorrow if I want one, I will get one.  If I don't get it until June, that's fine by me.

Not everything needs to be controversial.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

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HutchwasClutch

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 31, 2021, 06:52:29 AM
Here is my opinion.  I don't care who gave the order, be it the Trump or the Biden administration.

Using 40 vaccines on Gitmo detainees is fine by me, and getting outraged over this is dumb.

Where have I shown outrage over this?  I presented facts to counter pbi's crap filled post of lies. I said the optics look bad.  If you, Rocky, and I'mClearlyBiased count that as "outrage", you're the ones who can't handle or defend the b.s. debunked, and instead of moving on, more crap is made up about "outrage" to distract from the truths. 

pbiflyer

Outraged about 40 shots that never happened but not about the 20 million promised yet not delivered in December or the lies about doses in reserve.
Who's spinning?

Marquette Fan

6 people were in the right place at the right time during a snowstorm in Oregon and were able to get Covid vaccinations that would have otherwise gone to waste - https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oregon-health-workers-administer-vaccines-snowstorm-stranded-motorists-n1256054

The Sultan

Quote from: HutchwasClutch on January 31, 2021, 07:04:46 AM
Where have I shown outrage over this?  I presented facts to counter pbi's crap filled post of lies. I said the optics look bad.  If you, Rocky, and I'mClearlyBiased count that as "outrage", you're the ones who can't handle or defend the b.s. debunked, and instead of moving on, more crap is made up about "outrage" to distract from the truths. 


Sorry, I didn't mean you expressed outrage.  I meant the outrage in general about this, which seeped into Scoop by people like rocket and 4ever.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

pbiflyer

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 31, 2021, 07:51:21 AM

Sorry, I didn't mean you expressed outrage.  I meant the outrage in general about this, which seeped into Scoop by people like rocket and 4ever.

Same for me.

GooooMarquette

#1309
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 31, 2021, 06:56:13 AM
Exactly.  The distribution and administration of the vaccine isn't some big morality play.  Its about keeping people healthy so society can return to normal.

When I am told to get it, I will get it.  If I am asked tomorrow if I want one, I will get one.  If I don't get it until June, that's fine by me.

Not everything needs to be controversial.

This. So much this.

More science, less politics.

tower912

Some things.
  There is no way a mass vaccination is going to go off without a hitch.  Or someone feeling like someone else cut in line.

To even come close requires great planning, preparation and coordination.

There is a supply issue right now.

If it wasn't Guantanamo, it would be something else.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Warriors4ever

Aside from the issue that many people feel prisoners and detainees are of less importance, in the case of pretrial detainees especially, many will be back out in the community whether sooner or later, and all of them come into contact with other employees, guards, food and maintenance workers, court personnel. An assistant public defender in Cook County died from Covid January 20, and others have contracted it. At least one courthouse completely paused work due to outbreaks among judges and clerical personnel just a month ago.
As far as I'm concerned, if they're vaccinating others in Guantanamo it just makes sense to do everyone.

rocket surgeon

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 30, 2021, 04:05:38 PM
I the outrage machine has been gassed up again.

I'm assuming because they are giving it to the soldiers that are holding them indefinitely.

  you are "assuming"?  well then, why don't they just say they are giving it to our brave prison guards but NOT to the terrorists? 

      so mr. sedate, what does it take to "outrage" you if not for getting vaccine to the guys that assassinated over 3,000 of our innocent citizens when so many of our people need it yet? 

yes, i realize that since word got out of one of sleepys little brain farts that they had to back pedal a little.  i have a feeling that's going to be happening quite a bit over the next 2 years...oh chit, how did they find out...damn leakers eyna?
felz Houston ate uncle boozie's hands

rocket surgeon

Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 31, 2021, 01:00:50 AM
People need to stop getting their britches in any kind of bunch when they hear about other folks getting vaccines.  Most of us aren't going to get it for a good long time still -and that's just numbers.  There will be some odd ones - most not famous - but some famous.  Save your pout-rage for something more important.

just running it thru the same filter as pre jan 20.  no matter who is in charge though eyna? waiting for how many scoops of ice cream everyone got at first official WH dinner making sure sleepy didn't sneak an extra scoop :D
felz Houston ate uncle boozie's hands

tower912

We were losing that many per day to COVID while an administration was trying to do away with democracy instead of planning for distribution, supplies, etc.

Yup, bad optics at Gitmo. 
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

wadesworld

Quote from: rocket surgeon on January 31, 2021, 01:26:06 PM
just running it thru the same filter as pre jan 20.  no matter who is in charge though eyna? waiting for how many scoops of ice cream everyone got at first official WH dinner making sure sleepy didn't sneak an extra scoop :D

The "pre jan 20 filter" was that there was nothing anyone could do at a federal level. No? So...I'm confused why you're rambling so much.

The Sultan

Quote from: BLM on January 31, 2021, 01:28:56 PM
The "pre jan 20 filter" was that there was nothing anyone could do at a federal level. No? So...I'm confused why you're rambling so much.


His pals tell him to be outraged. So he's outraged.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

MU82

Quote from: rocket surgeon on January 31, 2021, 01:17:50 PM
what does it take to "outrage" you if not for getting vaccine to the guys that assassinated over 3,000 of our innocent citizens when so many of our people need it yet? 

yes, i realize that since word got out of one of sleepys little brain farts that they had to back pedal a little.  i have a feeling that's going to be happening quite a bit over the next 2 years...oh chit, how did they find out...damn leakers eyna?

if only you were even one iota outraged by the Jan 6 terrorists who staged a deadly insurrection as incited by the then-potus oona?
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

jesmu84

Prisoners deserve medical care. That includes vaccines, especially during a pandemic.

OT - if you're going to cry about terrorism, then you better espouse the same views toward the Capitol mob, saudi princes, the US military, Israel...anyone commiting acts of terrorism across the globe.

Otherwise, you're no different than any other partisan hack

The Sultan

Quote from: jesmu84 on January 31, 2021, 02:29:23 PM
Prisoners deserve medical care. That includes vaccines, especially during a pandemic.

OT - if you're going to cry about terrorism, then you better espouse the same views toward the Capitol mob, saudi princes, the US military, Israel...anyone commiting acts of terrorism across the globe.

Otherwise, you're no different than any other partisan hack

I think the Q'Anon Shaman deserves to be vaccinated despite the fact that he engaged in an insurrection meant to overturn the result of a legitimate election.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

rocket surgeon

Quote from: MU82 on January 31, 2021, 02:10:33 PM
if only you were even one iota outraged by the Jan 6 terrorists who staged a deadly insurrection as incited by the then-potus oona?

  oh, i was outraged as much as anyone, but please try to get yer chit straight and stop watching CNN et al.  they've all proven to be nothing but propagandists and wrong so many times if you just allow the real story to come out.  that was all bad, but it was more than previous potus....way more.  now that they've got tiananmen square all protected, careful what they wish for.  they are poking the sleeping dog buddy.  all of us should be very concerned for what "they" can do to any of us
felz Houston ate uncle boozie's hands

wadesworld

Quote from: rocket surgeon on January 31, 2021, 02:57:34 PM
  oh, i was outraged as much as anyone, but please try to get yer chit straight and stop watching CNN et al.  they've all proven to be nothing but propagandists and wrong so many times if you just allow the real story to come out.  that was all bad, but it was more than previous potus....way more.  now that they've got tiananmen square all protected, careful what they wish for.  they are poking the sleeping dog buddy.  all of us should be very concerned for what "they" can do to any of us

I'm terrified.

rocket surgeon

  sleepy better get his chit together cuz the clock is ticking and people are dying.  he promised 100 million vaccinations in 100 days starting on day one.  and no fuzzy math like that of the emmy award winning cuomo guy

https://rfangle.com/politics/biden-administration-loses-20-million-vaccine/
felz Houston ate uncle boozie's hands

Frenns Liquor Depot

They increased the target and are vaccinating over 1.5 million per day as of last week.  So the promise from the admin is not 100 million in 100 days. 

4everwarriors

"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

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