Hydroxychloroquinine updates (and other potential treatments)

[Galway Eagle]

I don’t understand what you’re arguing here with the window/door opening thing?  That’s a great thing and much more effective then social distancing and an easy way for a business and the people in it to limit their risk.

I didn’t say indoor social distancing initially  but outdoor social distancing makes even less sense. 

The face shields people used are not made of plexiglass but since you bring it up when compared to a mask those things were largely ineffective. Great at blocking large respiratory droplets from getting in your mouth but that’s about it.

I'm saying the study didn't address any mitigation measure that most places were implementing. I mean how many businesses are you trying to have a "gotcha" moment over for their social distancing that didn't have a single other mitigation measure in place?

Outdoor social distancing definitely made sense in certain scenarios. If you're at a festival, or football game, do you really think that a bunch of people jumping up and down screaming at each other and rubbing up against each other is going to be any less dangerous than if it was inside? Yes, social distancing on restaurant patios or at parks was absurd but there's plenty of times outdoor social distancing made sense.

I agree, I'm agreeing with you just saying that if you're so upset about it I expect you were upset about every face shield wearing person you saw.

[pacearrow02]

This is what happens when people use social media to determine what they think science is, instead of understanding exactly what was being studied.

What this says is that social distancing doesn't matter in cases where the virus is being spread through small droplets.  The study did NOT say "You are at no less risk when indoors of contracting Covid whether you’re at 3ft, 6ft, or 60 ft."

And why is that? Because small respiratory droplets are NOT the only way it is spread. 

Because people like you don't understand this, the authors had to release a statement that said that social distancing indoors provides benefits because C19 isn't only spread through ways that they studied.

http://web.mit.edu/bazant/www/COVID-19/Bazant-Bush_PNAS_statement.html

It said social distancing indoors if you’re NOT wearing a mask is beneficial to prevent large respiratory droplets from traveling the 6ft. 

I think we’re shouting past each other here but also largely agreeing.  I guess my point is when it comes to the airborne transmission of Covid, which from what I understand is the leading cause of transmission (not the transmission you get when someone essentially sneezes into your mouth) you’re no safer at 3, 6, or 60ft.  If you’re breathing that same infected air at 6 ft as you are at 60 ft you’re just as likely to get infected.  Unless I’m not understanding airborne transmission risk correctly.

[pacearrow02]

I'm saying the study didn't address any mitigation measure that most places were implementing. I mean how many businesses are you trying to have a "gotcha" moment over for their social distancing that didn't have a single other mitigation measure in place?

Outdoor social distancing definitely made sense in certain scenarios. If you're at a festival, or football game, do you really think that a bunch of people jumping up and down screaming at each other and rubbing up against each other is going to be any less dangerous than if it was inside? Yes, social distancing on restaurant patios or at parks was absurd but there's plenty of times outdoor social distancing made sense.

I agree, I'm agreeing with you just saying that if you're so upset about it I expect you were upset about every face shield wearing person you saw.

I’m not trying to have a gotcha moment on anyone or any business.  I couldn’t give a sh*t less what an individual or business does or DOESN’T do for that matter throughout the course of the last 18 months. 

It is with the benefit of hindsight but was just having a discussion about how a lot of these measures put down on us from the powers that be didn’t really do much but give a false sense of security.

[Billy Hoyle]

Compared to other countries we were never in lockdown.

correct. I work with some Aussie athletes from Melbourne and Perth. The restrictions put in place there were incredibly strict. They could only go outside for shopping; authorised work or education; caregiving, compassionate and medical reasons, and exercise for up to two hours a day, with one other person, and within a 10k radius of their home, had curfews, no visitors were allowed in your homes (expect for an "intimate partner), and this went on for 112 days. That's a lockdown.

[Galway Eagle]

I’m not trying to have a gotcha moment on anyone or any business.  I couldn’t give a sh*t less what an individual or business does or DOESN’T do for that matter throughout the course of the last 18 months. 

It is with the benefit of hindsight but was just having a discussion about how a lot of these measures put down on us from the powers that be didn’t really do much but give a false sense of security.

Yes i agree plenty of these were false sense of security for example what percentage of masks were actually effective vs what was someone wearing a cheap bandana thinking that'd work. I'm just saying while some of the measures on your list I agree with and are valid, some on your list seem more to be personal grievances that fail to recognize why they were implemented. 

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

It said social distancing indoors if you’re NOT wearing a mask is beneficial to prevent large respiratory droplets from traveling the 6ft. 

I think we’re shouting past each other here but also largely agreeing.  I guess my point is when it comes to the airborne transmission of Covid, which from what I understand is the leading cause of transmission (not the transmission you get when someone essentially sneezes into your mouth) you’re no safer at 3, 6, or 60ft.  If you’re breathing that same infected air at 6 ft as you are at 60 ft you’re just as likely to get infected.  Unless I’m not understanding airborne transmission risk correctly.

Nope.  You're lying again Cheeks.  This is what you said:

Social distancing indoors makes no sense if you follow the science.

That is false and NOT what the study said that you posted.

[Jockey]

The simple fact is that lockdowns and social distancing are the 2 most effective strategies against an epidemic before a vaccine is available.

This country fought against both and paid the price with 100s of thousands of unnecessary deaths.

[pacearrow02]

Nope.  You're lying again Cheeks.  This is what you said:

That is false and NOT what the study said that you posted.

That’s fair, it does make sense if not masked. And when not masked I think it’s fair to say 6ft of distance doesn’t protect you from airborne transmission.  Can we agree on that pppppplease!!!!

[TSmith34, Inc.]

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210602/HydroxychloroquineAzithromycin-therapy-at-a-higher-dose-improved-survival-by-nearly-20025-in-ventilated-COVID-patients.aspx


Ive been telling you guys for over a year, some docs used hydroxy in a way that saved lives. If the “politics” got out the way, many more lives could have been saved.  Sad case for our “experts” and following the “science”.

How many things are we going to have to go thru like this?  The left  doesn’t like it for some lazy reason, it gets cancelled and later we find out they were wrong.  The left never seems t have to admit they were wrong, they make excuses, stand by their nonsense, get an award and move on

How bout those beach front properties al said will be underwater by…?  He’s” laughing all the way to his vault

LOL. Not that facts will impact the reality-proofed such as rocket, but:

"Post overstates study’s ‘200%’ finding on hydroxychloroquine’s power vs COVID-19"
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jun/14/facebook-posts/post-overstates-studys-200-finding-hydroxychloroqu/

"Experts called the study poorly designed and caution against drawing conclusions about cause and effect.

"Study: hydroxychloroquine can boost COVID-19 survival chances by nearly 200%," read the headline of a widely shared post on Instagram.

The post was from One America News, the conservative cable network that Trump has often praised. It was flagged as part of Facebook’s efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed.

Joel Farley, a University of Minnesota College of Pharmacy professor, noted that the study was designed not to test the effectiveness of the two drugs, but rather as an observational study that basically looks at survival and then models what things might have predicted survival.

"The concern is that this poorly designed study might influence" prescribing of the two drugs "when the overwhelming body of evidence has shown it has no benefit for treating COVID," Farley said.

Dr. Neil Schluger, chairman of the Department of Medicine at New York Medical College, said that to conclude cause-and-effect "is an obvious error," calling the study very small with little hard data. "It’s likely that patients who died rapidly received less total (of the two drugs) because they were dead; one can’t conclude from these data that they died because they got fewer doses. It’s also likely that if they received lower doses on a daily basis, it’s because they were sicker to begin with," he said.

Our ruling: For a statement that contains only an element of truth, our rating is Mostly False."

[rocket surgeon]

LOL. Not that facts will impact the reality-proofed such as rocket, but:

"Post overstates study’s ‘200%’ finding on hydroxychloroquine’s power vs COVID-19"
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jun/14/facebook-posts/post-overstates-studys-200-finding-hydroxychloroqu/

"Experts called the study poorly designed and caution against drawing conclusions about cause and effect.

"Study: hydroxychloroquine can boost COVID-19 survival chances by nearly 200%," read the headline of a widely shared post on Instagram.

The post was from One America News, the conservative cable network that Trump has often praised. It was flagged as part of Facebook’s efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed.

Joel Farley, a University of Minnesota College of Pharmacy professor, noted that the study was designed not to test the effectiveness of the two drugs, but rather as an observational study that basically looks at survival and then models what things might have predicted survival.

"The concern is that this poorly designed study might influence" prescribing of the two drugs "when the overwhelming body of evidence has shown it has no benefit for treating COVID," Farley said.

Dr. Neil Schluger, chairman of the Department of Medicine at New York Medical College, said that to conclude cause-and-effect "is an obvious error," calling the study very small with little hard data. "It’s likely that patients who died rapidly received less total (of the two drugs) because they were dead; one can’t conclude from these data that they died because they got fewer doses. It’s also likely that if they received lower doses on a daily basis, it’s because they were sicker to begin with," he said.

Our ruling: For a statement that contains only an element of truth, our rating is Mostly False."

once again, "the experts".  as a doctor myself, there are procedures that we do, restorative procedures that may not have been "peer reviewed" but hybrid type procedures that we have tried and tested ourselves over time.  i am ultimately responsible for me.  as dentists in general, we do not like failure.  we are talking about fractions of a millimeter.   i spoke to a peer some time ago, as i was entering the field, he told me the biggest compliment a dentist could have is seeing his work years down the road.  i still see a lot of my dads work and i go out of my way to tell him. 

back to the hydroxy-there are real doctors who've used it very successfully-dr steven smith, a very well known and respected infectious disease specialist discusses his methods-Dr. Mohammud Alam(new york), dr harvey risch-yale school of epidemiology

 https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/causes/new-study-reveals-success-of-hydroxychloroquine-as-covid-treatment/vi-AAKCluk

a year ago, these guys were being reprimanded from using something they believed worked.  this wasn't a new drug.  if they said they were treating patients for malaria or lupus, no questions asked, but how dare they use it for covid?? 

this from 6 days ago-

 https://news.yahoo.com/study-shows-hydroxychloroquine-zinc-treatments-210300816.html

there are many doctors who believe hydroxy works!  their only motivation is efficacy-period!  i don't understand why so many like you smith, are so adamantly opposed to using this drug.  just let it go dude.  i'm listening to the experts who have treated actual patients with it.  has it worked 100%?  probably not, but risk/benefit leans saving lives.  msnbc has had a doc on their show for almost a year.  he hasn't been right once, but still get's his time, just like that fake fauci.  read his emails

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2020/04/06/here-are-five-doctors-whose-patients-have-seen-recovery-with-hydroxy-chloroquine-n2566409

[Skatastrophy]

as a doctor myself,

You're not an MD though, right?

[jficke13]

You're not an MD though, right?

anti-dentite?

[TSmith34, Inc.]

once again, "the experts".  as a doctor myself, there are procedures that we do, restorative procedures that may not have been "peer reviewed" but hybrid type procedures that we have tried and tested ourselves over time.  i am ultimately responsible for me.  as dentists in general, we do not like failure.  we are talking about fractions of a millimeter.   i spoke to a peer some time ago, as i was entering the field, he told me the biggest compliment a dentist could have is seeing his work years down the road.  i still see a lot of my dads work and i go out of my way to tell him. 

back to the hydroxy-there are real doctors who've used it very successfully-dr steven smith, a very well known and respected infectious disease specialist discusses his methods-Dr. Mohammud Alam(new york), dr harvey risch-yale school of epidemiology

 https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/causes/new-study-reveals-success-of-hydroxychloroquine-as-covid-treatment/vi-AAKCluk

a year ago, these guys were being reprimanded from using something they believed worked.  this wasn't a new drug.  if they said they were treating patients for malaria or lupus, no questions asked, but how dare they use it for covid?? 

this from 6 days ago-

 https://news.yahoo.com/study-shows-hydroxychloroquine-zinc-treatments-210300816.html

there are many doctors who believe hydroxy works!  their only motivation is efficacy-period!  i don't understand why so many like you smith, are so adamantly opposed to using this drug.  just let it go dude.  i'm listening to the experts who have treated actual patients with it.  has it worked 100%?  probably not, but risk/benefit leans saving lives.  msnbc has had a doc on their show for almost a year.  he hasn't been right once, but still get's his time, just like that fake fauci.  read his emails

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2020/04/06/here-are-five-doctors-whose-patients-have-seen-recovery-with-hydroxy-chloroquine-n2566409

Please share a single peer-reviewed study that shows the efficacy of HCQ. We'll wait.

I guess as a "doctor" you were taught that anecdotes outweigh scientific evidence, at least if they align with your political preferences.

[MU82]

Please share a single peer-reviewed study that shows the efficacy of HCQ. We'll wait.

Uh ... hello!

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/trump-favorite-doctor-believes-demon-140252819.html

Stella Immanuel became a viral sensation after a Plandemic-esque video, funded by the right-wing political organization the Tea Party Patriots and captured by Breitbart News Network, garnered millions of views on Facebook. The Houston-based doctor praised the use of hydroxychloroquine and declared that masks were not needed to quell COVID-19 — two claims that have previously been debunked by both the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the World Health Organization.

But, back to Immanuel. She’s a licensed pediatrician in Texas, according to the Texas Medical Board, and operates a medical clinic next to her church, Firepower Ministries. And her confounding medical philosophies don’t stop at her stance on face masks. The one that caught my eye? Demon sperm.

I’m not the only one who’s intrigued. The idea of demon sperm has taken Twitter by storm. It comes from Immanuel’s claim that medical issues such as endometriosis, cysts, infertility, and erectile dysfunction are caused when someone has sex with “spirit husbands” and “spirit wives”.

“Many women suffer from astral sex regularly,” Immanuel’s website, firepowerministry.org, reads. “Astral sex is the ability to project one’s spirit man into the victim’s body and have intercourse with it. This practice is very common amongst Satanists. They leave their physical bodies in a dormant state while they project their spirits into the body of whoever they want to have sex with.”

She also offers up this prayer for anyone suffering from issues ranging from “marital distress” to “serious gynecological problems”: “I destroy the power of any demonic seed in my life from the womb, in the name of Jesus.”

When asked about Immanuel and her bogus claims during a press conference, Donald Trump simply stated: “She was on air, along with many other doctors, and they were big fans of hydroxychloroquine. I thought she was very impressive.”

Could Donald Trump be infected with demon sperm himself? Only time will tell.

I mean, I can't believe anybody needs more evidence than this! Get on board with Dr. Demon Sperm, ex-President Pandemic and our esteemed dr. rocket -- hydroxycloroquine is a miracle!

[Skatastrophy]

anti-dentite?

You mean mouth janitors?

[pbiflyer]

You mean mouth janitors?

And we have today's winner of the internet!!!!!

[rocket surgeon]

you guys having fun? 

like most everything else, the proof will eventually come out, peer reviews, evidence, etc...when you're eventually proved wrong, you just change the subject and move onto the next steaming pile your media feeds us.  russiarussiarussia, virus was from a pangolin...no wet bar...no, our own military, that dude on pornhub is only a really good doppelganger of hunter and on and on

[MU82]

you guys having fun? 

like most everything else, the proof will eventually come out, peer reviews, evidence, etc...when you're eventually proved wrong, you just change the subject and move onto the next steaming pile your media feeds us.  russiarussiarussia, virus was from a pangolin...no wet bar...no, our own military, that dude on pornhub is only a really good doppelganger of hunter and on and on

you forgot to mention how silly we’ll feel when the truth comes out about the cabal of baby-eating pedophiles, dr. q.

and you’ll definitely have the last laugh when your hero is reinstated in august!

[TSmith34, Inc.]

you guys having fun? 

like most everything else, the proof will eventually come out, peer reviews, evidence, etc...when you're eventually proved wrong, you just change the subject and move onto the next steaming pile your media feeds us.  russiarussiarussia, virus was from a pangolin...no wet bar...no, our own military, that dude on pornhub is only a really good doppelganger of hunter and on and on

Still waiting for you to show us a single peer reviewed study. Just one, any single one. C'mon "doctor", just one.

Weird how you latch on to unproven anecdotes from guys you present as experts in their field, but then when actual scientific, peer-reviewed studies with hard data you dismiss them as "experts". Strange, isn't "doctor"?

[rocket surgeon]

Still waiting for you to show us a single peer reviewed study. Just one, any single one. C'mon "doctor", just one.

Weird how you latch on to unproven anecdotes from guys you present as experts in their field, but then when actual scientific, peer-reviewed studies with hard data you dismiss them as "experts". Strange, isn't "doctor"?

you must have missed the class on critical thinking, thinking for yourself, not what to think.  it will be forthcoming once the "experts" give it their "blessings"  as i said, you don't necessarily need a peer review here.  this has been a tried and tested drug.  it's cheap...let me repeat, it's cheap...hint-hint-hint.  there are a number of very well known and respected epidemiology doctors who have prescribed it in a cocktail, different doses with z-pak at specific points within the disease process with some very positive results, like saving lives results.

ya gotta think, why the big uproar over a drug that has been around a long time.  why were people censored when the wuhan lab theory was floated over a year ago?  they have reprimanded doctors for even trying to use this drug for treatments, threaten to take their licenses away, etc...whatever happened to...it's between my doctor and me?  i see,, that's only for abortion and gender transitioning hormonal tx.  hydroxy works, they just won't let anyone show the positive results

[Galway Eagle]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

you must have missed the class on critical thinking,

[TSmith34, Inc.]

as i said, you don't necessarily need a peer review here.

Yeah, you really do. File this under "doctor" thinks actual evidence not needed.

  this has been a tried and tested drug.

For MALARIA.

Bleach, like HCQ, is tried and true. Neither are useful against COVID, at least not if you want the patient to live.

there are a number of very well known and respected epidemiology doctors who have prescribed it in a cocktail, different doses with z-pak at specific points within the disease process with some very positive results, like saving lives results.

You like to make an appeal to authority when your experts agree with your Fox-driven view. When they don't, they are "experts".

Show ONE peer-reviewed study that what you say is true. Just one. There are multiple scientific studies that say this is horsecrap and not a single one that shows it is true. Not that actual facts have the least impact on the reality-proofed like yourself.

ya gotta think, why the big uproar over a drug that has been around a long time.  why were people censored when the wuhan lab theory was floated over a year ago?  they have reprimanded doctors for even trying to use this drug for treatments, threaten to take their licenses away, etc...whatever happened to...it's between my doctor and me?  i see,, that's only for abortion and gender transitioning hormonal tx.  hydroxy works, they just won't let anyone show the positive results

Yes, its all a conspiracy. Never mind the published studies, never mind that it has been given trials...it is all being suppressed.

And no one is stopping you or a real medical doctor from taking it, so once again your logic is idiotic.

Tell us more about Jewish space lasers and Hunter Biden.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Hydroxy study debunked. Anyone surprised?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/06/21/hydroxycholoroquine-coronavirus-treatment-trump-allies-cant-quit/

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Hydroxy study debunked. Anyone surprised?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/06/21/hydroxycholoroquine-coronavirus-treatment-trump-allies-cant-quit/

This is just a more detailed version of the critique I posted of the study earlier. But even this won't change the minds of the true believers, facts never do.

Still waiting for sprocket to post one single peer reviewed study showing its effectiveness. Just  one.