Transfer portal

[We R Final Four]

Interesting...many scoopers believe it to be strictly based upon conference affiliation. 

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

Furthermore, there needs to be a category between mid major and power 6 to eliminate confusion. Mid/High Major Conferences?

[muguru]

I would define a mid major as a conference that  only gets its conference tourney winner into the tournament year in and year out.

That's a low major

[We R Final Four]

The way it has been explained by several Scoopers is that DePaul is a high major, and Gonzaga is a mid major.

UConn, who was a high major in the old Big East, has been a mid major for several years, but this fall will jump into the high major category once again!

There is no sense in arguing about it. 

[Pakuni]

Interesting...many scoopers believe it to be strictly based upon conference affiliation.

It's not, but it's definitely a major factor. Others include recent success, standing in the national sports consciousness, tradition and notable people.

None of these work in UMass' favor. They're not in a power conference. They haven't had recent success. They haven't had a big-time coach or player since Calipari and Camby 25 years ago. They haven't won an NCAA tournament game since 1996. They haven't won a conference title since 1996. They have little in the way of winning tradition outside two years with Camby and two years with Dr. J. You never see anyone walking around in public outside the state sporting UMass gear.

They're far from a high major program.

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

No such thing as a low major according to this:  https://www.midmajormadness.com/pages/mid-major-teams-by-conference

It's quite clear there isn't an absolute definition.

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/27861088/mid-majors-2019-20-predictions-mid-major-anyway

ESPN has a different set of criteria....

[Mr. Nielsen]

Furthermore, there needs to be a category between mid major and power 6 to eliminate confusion. Mid/High Major Conferences?

High Major was a saying. I don't hear to much anymore. I would tend to put some of the schools from the AAC, A-10, WCC and MWC on that list. Schools you find in those major holiday tournaments.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Interesting...many scoopers believe it to be strictly based upon conference affiliation.

Given that's there no official definition, those scoopers would be just as right as scoopers who thought it was based on other factors. Personally, I think it is based on conference affiliation because then there are clearly set objective categories that teams can be sorted into. Otherwise, you have to make a subjective call on all 353 D1 teams.

But really, as long as the person is clear by what they mean by high major, mid major, and low major, is it worth arguing about? Though I have to admit, this is the first time I've seen someone argue that UMass is a high major.

[wadesworld]

I don't care if you want to say someone came from the JV league, mid major, low major, or anywhere else. Just let MU add a couple of high quality transfers this offseason, hey?

[brewcity77]

UMass is not a mid-major. Just because a conference is not in the P5 does not make teams in it a "mid-major."

There are, at most, seven high-major conferences. At most. The A-10 is not one of those. So I assume you are saying UMass is a low-major? Because that's the only alternative.

[Tha Hound]

His brother replied to Goodman's tweet with:


Roy P.
‏ @Bruce__Leroy__
Replying to @GoodmanHoops

Schools he is talking to the most are....Arkansas...Missouri...Marquette..Louisville...Xavier...

https://twitter.com/Bruce__Leroy__/status/1243263496726462464

You love to see it.

Lets bring him and Carton in

[muguru]

You love to see it.

Lets bring him and Carton in

Depending on what he's looking for as a grad transfer..Xavier is the closest to home(Detroit), but again, he likely knows Jamal and Greg  so that could be a big factor.

[bilsu]

Rowsey?

Rowsey was not a grad transfer. I am not sure, if the other examples listed here were grad transfers.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

Rowsey was not a grad transfer. I am not sure, if the other examples listed here were grad transfers.

Nope talking about guys going from midmajors to high majors n scoring double digits.  U sir completely missed the mark

[WarriorPride68]

*returns to scoop after posting the Jon Rothstein tweet this morning*

[mug644]

It's not, but it's definitely a major factor. Others include recent success, standing in the national sports consciousness, tradition and notable people.

None of these work in UMass' favor. They're not in a power conference. They haven't had recent success. They haven't had a big-time coach or player since Calipari and Camby 25 years ago. They haven't won an NCAA tournament game since 1996. They haven't won a conference title since 1996. They have little in the way of winning tradition outside two years with Camby and two years with Dr. J. You never see anyone walking around in public outside the state sporting UMass gear.

They're far from a high major program.

While hesitant to open this can of worms, this correct accounting is a bummer. I live near Amherst, MA, and have long had hopes that MU would have a home-and-home series with UMass. Before UConn rejoined the BEast, I unrealistically imagined that the Catholic connection might be broken by bringing in UMass. Crazy thinking, yes.

But, Pakuni, you are correct. UMass had two phases of success, one of which is tainted. They are not a major program at this point, and are in a mid-major conference.

Still a home-and-home between MU and UMass would be nice, wouldn't it?

[Viper]

Sign a grad-transfer 'big', lock-down Karim Mane and let's roll. A Wisconsin ass-kicking will be a beautiful thing.

[We R Final Four]

Given that's there no official definition, those scoopers would be just as right as scoopers who thought it was based on other factors. Personally, I think it is based on conference affiliation because then there are clearly set objective categories that teams can be sorted into. Otherwise, you have to make a subjective call on all 353 D1 teams.

But really, as long as the person is clear by what they mean by high major, mid major, and low major, is it worth arguing about? Though I have to admit, this is the first time I've seen someone argue that UMass is a high major.

Interesting....TAMU would you consider Gonzaga a mid or high major?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Interesting....TAMU would you consider Gonzaga a mid or high major?

Mid-major. They are also an elite program. Mid-major doesn't mean a program is bad, it means they play in a lower level conference

[MU82]

Mid-major. They are also an elite program. Mid-major doesn't mean a program is bad, it means they play in a lower level conference

I'm with this.

Lots of folks think "mid-major" is some kind of synonym for a "bad" team or a "lesser" team, as if it's a putdown of the team. To me, all it means is that the team plays for a conference that is not a high-major conference. There is little doubt that Gonzaga is an elite program that plays in a mid-major conference -- they have a cakewalk conference schedule every season.

We do this with words all the time. For example, "consistent" has become a synonym for "good." But the Cubs were "consistent" for 100-plus years, and it wasn't good. Hell, Marquette has been quite consistent the last 2 years -- OK start, very good stretch after that, late collapse. I'd rather have been a little less consistent!

[We R Final Four]

OK--so UConn was a high major, but they are in a now in a mid major conference...so they are a mid major?
They certainly do not stroll through their conference schedule.
But, on Sept 1st (or whenever they are considered to have joined the BE) they will be elevated overnight to high major status?

[BallBoy]

Interesting...many scoopers believe it to be strictly based upon conference affiliation.

The term mid major was originally coined to reference to all conferences not in the power five.  At the time of its origin, the Big East did not exist and it was eventually elevated to a Major.  Many believe that the AAC also was elevated to a Major when it split from the Big East.

I believe that as mid major upsets occurred in the tournament that more attention and money was placed on certain mid major conferences such as MVC and A10 as can be seen with the annual airing for Arch Madness.  Those two were then elevated to higher than mid-major status.  However that was short lived and when the conferences realigned those conferences lost that status.  They are not the same as they were before.

Certain schools are in mid-major leagues but are perennially good so they have been elevated to major status like Gonzaga.  The WCC is a mid major conference but people don't see people transferring down if you go to Gonzaga.   I think this is usually the exception not the rule.  SDSU is still a mid major as is SMC.  I consider Gonzaga a mid-major because even though they are good but they are in a conference not generating the same revenue as the majors.

As the power conferences have gotten bigger than the delta between major and low-major has grown and the mid-majors are becoming fewer. 

I personally still associate mid-major to conferences because that it where the money is made TV Contracts, Tourney money, etc. 

[The Sultan]

The term mid major was originally coined to reference to all conferences not in the power five.  At the time of its origin, the Big East did not exist and it was eventually elevated to a Major.  Many believe that the AAC also was elevated to a Major when it split from the Big East.

I believe that as mid major upsets occurred in the tournament that more attention and money was placed on certain mid major conferences such as MVC and A10 as can be seen with the annual airing for Arch Madness.  Those two were then elevated to higher than mid-major status.  However that was short lived and when the conferences realigned those conferences lost that status.  They are not the same as they were before.

Certain schools are in mid-major leagues but are perennially good so they have been elevated to major status like Gonzaga.  The WCC is a mid major conference but people don't see people transferring down if you go to Gonzaga.   I think this is usually the exception not the rule.  SDSU is still a mid major as is SMC.  I consider Gonzaga a mid-major because even though they are good but they are in a conference not generating the same revenue as the majors.

As the power conferences have gotten bigger than the delta between major and low-major has grown and the mid-majors are becoming fewer. 

I personally still associate mid-major to conferences because that it where the money is made TV Contracts, Tourney money, etc. 

While the term "mid-major" has existed for awhile, it didn't mean much and wasn't used as often as it is now.  For instance, I don't recall anyone labelling Marquette as a "mid-major" when they went to the Final Four as a member of CUSA. 

[onepost]

Can we get back to focusing on actual transfers, who MU is in on, as opposed to a 10-page pissing match about the difference between high-major and mid-major?