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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Aircraftcarrier on March 13, 2020, 05:52:47 PM
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Couple of nice players enter portal from Wichita State: Stevenson and Burton
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Did a 43 yo PG from Duke place his name in there?
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Did a 43 yo PG from Duke place his name in there?
ZING!
A 43 YO PG would be an upgrade for MU.
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ZING!
A 43 YO PG would be an upgrade for MU.
I am a Marquette Alum. So I have to ask, what's a PG?
I'll hang up and listen to your answer.
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I am a Marquette Alum. So I have to ask, what's a PG?
I'll hang up and listen to your answer.
LOL!! ;D
Well played sir.
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Considering the amount of minutes available next year, MU should be able to promise the world to transfers, especially grads. On the same note, the only current upperclassman MU needs to protect is Theo.
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Considering the amount of minutes available next year, MU should be able to promise the world to transfers, especially grads. On the same note, the only current upperclassman MU needs to protect is Theo.
Feels like there's a good chance all transfers will effectively be grads (immediately eligible).
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https://twitter.com/MatthewGut21/status/1239300832870498307?s=19
Source: Former Syracuse guard Brycen Goodine already looking at potential destinations such as Nebraska, Providence, TCU, Memphis and Marquette. Former four-star recruit with shooting ability, handle and a 42-inch vertical could make immediate impact in any of these backcourts.
Former top 100 recruit. Didn't do much for a bad Syracuse team. Could become something after a year off (assuming immediate transfers doesn't get passed)
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Goodine committed to Syracuse early and never really went through the recruitment process. Wonder if he will be more deliberate.
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I've seen several tweets about rebounding bigs from mid/low majors hitting the portal. Definitely an area of need.
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Goodine already announced he's going to Providence.
Howard Washington and Jalen Carey are also transferring from Syracuse.
Landers Nolley is transferring from Va Tech.
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Goodine committed to Syracuse early and never really went through the recruitment process. Wonder if he will be more deliberate.
Already committed to Providence. So much for being deliberate. ;D
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Corey Evans
Verified account @coreyevans_10
Since his transfer last week, Wichita State guard Jamarius Burton has heard from Xavier, Marquette, Maryland, Seton Hall, Arizona, Virginia Tech , Arizona State, Dayton ,West Virginia, Butler, UConn, Illinois, and Pitt, amongst others, a source tells @RivalsPortal
https://twitter.com/coreyevans_10/status/1239570845829382144
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Corey Evans
Verified account @coreyevans_10
Since his transfer last week, Wichita State guard Jamarius Burton has heard from Xavier, Marquette, Maryland, Seton Hall, Arizona, Virginia Tech , Arizona State, Dayton ,West Virginia, Butler, UConn, Illinois, and Pitt, amongst others, a source tells @RivalsPortal
https://twitter.com/coreyevans_10/status/1239570845829382144
Starting PG for a solid Wichita State team. Known as a good defender. His assist% would have been #1 on our team this year (though only .2% higher than Howard). I'd be all about this, especially if immediate transfers become a thing.
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Harvard transfer Bryce Aiken
https://247sports.com/college/basketball/recruiting/Article/Bryce-Aiken-Maryland-Seton-Hall-Marquette-Michigan-Iowa-State-Gonzaga-145083968/
“So far Maryland, Marquette, Seton Hall a little bit,” Aiken said. “I’ve spoken to Juwan Howard over at Michigan, the head coach of Iowa State, Kansas has reached out, but not to me personally yet and Gonzaga.”
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Wojo and company seem to be in on every transfer every year.
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I think he casts a wide net because you have to get in on them early.
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Makes ya wunder 'bout Mane, hey?
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Makes ya wunder 'bout Mane, hey?
Not really. Always be recruiting. Even with Mane, I'd want another guard.
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Makes ya wunder 'bout Mane, hey?
Interesting comment from Aiken on being interested in Michigan State because of Winston. Have to expect if Aiken ended at Mich State it would help Marquette with Mane sans him going pro route.
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Harvard transfer Bryce Aiken
https://247sports.com/college/basketball/recruiting/Article/Bryce-Aiken-Maryland-Seton-Hall-Marquette-Michigan-Iowa-State-Gonzaga-145083968/
“So far Maryland, Marquette, Seton Hall a little bit,” Aiken said. “I’ve spoken to Juwan Howard over at Michigan, the head coach of Iowa State, Kansas has reached out, but not to me personally yet and Gonzaga.”
High usage, undersized, shoot first guard. At least the staff would feel comfortable with him.
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High usage, undersized, shoot first guard. At least the staff would feel comfortable with him.
Thought the same thing. If anyone here didn't like our playstyle with Markus Howard then they will hate it with Bryce Aiken. He's a taller, not as good Howard. I'd absolutely take him if he wants to come here, but those hoping for a change in offensive style would be disappointed.
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Anyone see how at least 5 are transferring from Wichita St.? Possibly more.
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Anyone see how at least 5 are transferring from Wichita St.? Possibly more.
Unhappy UConn is leaving the AAC for the Big East?
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Anyone see how at least 5 are transferring from Wichita St.? Possibly more.
Wow ... Gregg Marshall must be a cancer.
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I think he casts a wide net because you have to get in on them early.
Got to figure there will be at least one MUBB player showing up on this list soon too so got to keep recruiting always, recruit your current squad and all other options as well
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Wow ... Gregg Marshall must be a cancer.
Actually...
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Already committed to Providence. So much for being deliberate. ;D
From just over the RI/MA border and went to HS in RI. Not shocking in the least. Never expected him to leave the Northeast.
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Actually...
While talking to some D1 hoops coaches today I brought up the WSU defections and one said: "it's because they have to play for Marshall and the guy is a dick." Another said Marshall was "a very intense dude" and when I said "when I see him on the sidelines he reminds me of Crean" he said, "yeah, except Crean cares for his players as people."
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...except Crean cares for his players as people."
The very definition of damning with faint praise. Very faint praise, indeed!
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Haven't seen his name mentioned much, but Mattias Markusson would be a nice Jayce replacement. And would be appropriate to usher in the post-Markus era:
https://twitter.com/evandaniels/status/1237482459102617600?s=21
https://kenpom.com/player.php?p=39318
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@jakeweingarten: Source: Marquette is the latest program to reach out to Louisville grad transfer Darius Perry. Immediately eligible next season. Joins list of 15+ programs to reach out. https://twitter.com/jakeweingarten/status/1239766627085889536
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@jakeweingarten: Source: Marquette is the latest program to reach out to Louisville grad transfer Darius Perry. Immediately eligible next season. Joins list of 15+ programs to reach out. https://twitter.com/jakeweingarten/status/1239766627085889536
Did he graduate in 3 seasons? He's listed as a junior from the class of 2017, having played 3 seasons (17-18, 18-19, 19-20).
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@jakeweingarten: Source: Marquette is the latest program to reach out to Louisville grad transfer Darius Perry. Immediately eligible next season. Joins list of 15+ programs to reach out. https://twitter.com/jakeweingarten/status/1239766627085889536
Definitely seems like the staff is not prepared to hand Sy (or Koby) the keys to the car yet. Interesting that they've offered both Perry, a pass first shoot last guard and Aiken, a poor man's Markus Howard. Must be prepared to go in either direction.
Of all the transfers they've offered so far, I think I most excited about Jamarius Burton from Wichita State. If immediate transfers become a thing, he's who I'd feel most comfortable giving the keys to (of the offers so far).
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https://twitter.com/jakeweingarten/status/1240460191931432961
https://twitter.com/jakeweingarten/status/1240408870792704003
Marquette mentioned with Jonah Antonio and Ryan Murphy, grad transfer guards from UNLV and Pitt respectively.
Both of these are...not what I would hope for in a grad transfer. The tweets list offers from other schools but only mention MU as "reaching out." Staff may be kicking the tires but I'd be surprised if either end up in blue and gold.
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No MU mention or anything but a familiar name:
Jeff Borzello
Verified account @jeffborzello
Iowa State junior guard Terrence Lewis is transferring, sources told ESPN. Averaged 6.0 points this season.
https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/1240668614350553088
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Definitely seems like the staff is not prepared to hand Sy (or Koby) the keys to the car yet. Interesting that they've offered both Perry, a pass first shoot last guard and Aiken, a poor man's Markus Howard. Must be prepared to go in either direction.
Of all the transfers they've offered so far, I think I most excited about Jamarius Burton from Wichita State. If immediate transfers become a thing, he's who I'd feel most comfortable giving the keys to (of the offers so far).
I agree 100% with you on Burton. I'm not sure MU has technically offered yet though. I saw something the other day that said the only two schools that had offered so far were Iowa St and Texas Tech. Also, Binghamton PG Sam Sessions is one to watch for MU. They have recently reached out.
Jeff Borzello
@jeffborzello
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Binghamton transfer Sam Sessoms has heard from Penn State, Arkansas, Creighton, Rutgers, Seton Hall, Marquette, Oregon State, Washington State, Saint Mary’s and others.
Averaged 19.4 PPG, 5.0 RPG and 4.8 APG. Second-team All-America East.
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No MU mention or anything but a familiar name:
Jeff Borzello
Verified account @jeffborzello
Iowa State junior guard Terrence Lewis is transferring, sources told ESPN. Averaged 6.0 points this season.
https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/1240668614350553088
I thought players only transfer to Iowa State not from.
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Alterique Gilbert is transferring from UCONN...I wonder if technically since they haven't played a game in the Big East yet, if he could transfer to a BE program?? If so, I bet Killings would be all over him.
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This may be the one MU has been waiting for...they did recruit him out of HS, believe he visited as well.
https://twitter.com/EvanDaniels/status/1240681562087317509?s=20
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No MU mention or anything but a familiar name:
Jeff Borzello
Verified account @jeffborzello
Iowa State junior guard Terrence Lewis is transferring, sources told ESPN. Averaged 6.0 points this season.
https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/1240668614350553088
A lot of angst when we didn't get this guy. But doesn't seem like a high major guy. Wonder if he'll come home to UWM.
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Wow
Jeff Goodman
Verified account @GoodmanHoops
Ohio State freshman guard DJ Carton will transfer, source told @Stadium. Stepped away from th team in the middle of the year due to mental health issues.
https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1240681690265194498
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I believe Carton was strongly pursued, at least for awhile. What happened at THE OSU? About blocking schools allowed to transfer to, that blocking went out with wedge blocking on a kick-off!
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MU was in DJ's top six a couple years ago.
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MU was in DJ's top six a couple years ago.
I'd keep a close eye on this one, this one could well happen.
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This may be the one MU has been waiting for...they did recruit him out of HS, believe he visited as well.
https://twitter.com/EvanDaniels/status/1240681562087317509?s=20
DJ Carton would be a very nice get.
I believe he was having some mental health issues and took a leave from OSU, so going home to Iowa or Iowa State could be in the cards.
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DJ Carton would be a very nice get.
I believe he was having some mental health issues and took a leave from OSU, so going home to Iowa or Iowa State could be in the cards.
That was my thought as well. Would absolutely love him at MU though.
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I expect Iowa or ISU for Carton, but while Iowa City (Hawkeyes) is an hour from his home town of Bettendorf, both Milwaukee and Ames (ISU) are a 3 hour drive. If I'm the staff, I send him this article:
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2019/01/07/nickel-markus-howard-speaks-his-mind-mental-health-athletes/2499789002/
This staff has experience dealing with these issues and our most prominent player of the past 5 years has been vocally public about his struggles and efforts to overcome his own mental health challenges.
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DJ Carton would be a very nice get.
I believe he was having some mental health issues and took a leave from OSU, so going home to Iowa or Iowa State could be in the cards.
Who knows maybe Markus' outspokenness on mental health issues, and MU's support of him on that, is a help here.
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DJ TO MARQUETTE PLEAAASEEE
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A key is Iowa being pretty loaded right now. They currently don’t even have schollies.
ISU didn’t make his final 6.
We are just as close as Ames.
We should have a shot
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Due to Markus's issues, and the ability to start right away, going to a smaller school vs. Ohio St., I think this might be the one, get Caton and Mane and now you
have a good backcourt and easily a Top 10 class!
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Due to Markus's issues, and the ability to start right away, going to a smaller school vs. Ohio St., I think this might be the one, get Caton and Mane and now you
have a good backcourt and easily a Top 10 class!
A starting lineup of:
Carton, Mane, Bailey, Garcia, and John.
That should have us in contention for the Big East title.
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A starting lineup of:
Carton, Mane, Bailey, Garcia, and John.
That should have us in contention for the Big East title.
Plus a decent bench with 2 frosh, and Cain, Elliott, Akanno, Torrence and of course Koby
Great size for a college team!
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Plus a decent bench with 2 frosh, and Cain, Elliott, Akanno, Torrence and of course Koby
Great size for a college team!
Championship confirmed!!
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Championship confirmed!!
On a miserable day in MKE, nice thought, we can all dream!
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Championship confirmed!!
Extension confirmed!!
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On a miserable day in MKE, nice thought, we can all dream!
Have to do something. This is supposed to be Day 1 of the tourney. Right now is about break time from the early games, so I should be taking a nap with my belly full of wings and beer.
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Have to do something. This is supposed to be Day 1 of the tourney. Right now is about break time from the early games, so I should be taking a nap with my belly full of wings and beer.
Agreed a very sad day!
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Have to do something. This is supposed to be Day 1 of the tourney. Right now is about break time from the early games, so I should be taking a nap with my belly full of wings and beer.
Technically would be Day 3....
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Geez. It was just a week ago that the BET was cancelled?
What a week.
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Technically would be Day 3....
Did you watch bofa the days games last year?
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Amauri Hardy is grad transferring from UNLV, averaged 14.5 PPG and 3.3 assists. 6'2" PG
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Amauri Hardy is grad transferring from UNLV, averaged 14.5 PPG and 3.3 assists. 6'2" PG
Let me know when TJ Otzelberger announces himself into the transfer portal.
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A starting lineup of:
Carton, Mane, Bailey, Garcia, and John.
That should have us in contention for the Big East title.
With current rules, Carton sits out next year, right?
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With current rules, Carton sits out next year, right?
That is correct, though I think many believe the proposal of a one time transfer without sitting out a year will pass this year and be effective immediately.
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With current rules, Carton sits out next year, right?
Yeah that's what I figured too.
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With current rules, Carton sits out next year, right?
Even if the rules don't change, which they probably will, Carton would seemingly be highly likely to get a waiver.
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Even if the rules don't change, which they probably will, Carton would seemingly be highly likely to get a waiver.
The NCAA Council is scheduled to meet 4-23 to 4-24 to discuss this among other matters. Will that meeting happen? With all that’s going on, even a video conference is unlikely?
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The NCAA Council is scheduled to meet 4-23 to 4-24 to discuss this among other matters. Will that meeting happen? With all that’s going on, even a video conference is unlikely?
I’m not even sure a “next season” is likely.
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Geez. It was just a week ago that the BET was cancelled?
Wait ... shyte ... Big East tourney was canceled? I knew I shouldn't have had that 4th shot of tequilla.
Each of the last two years, we've had a player whose picture had to be put on a milk carton the last month or two (Joey 2019, BB 2020), so Carton would be a natural for us!
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I’m not even sure a “next season” is likely.
Yah.
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Tom Nelson
@NEBallAcademy
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Mark Gasperini has heard from
Wake Forest
Hawaii
Umass-Amherst
Northeastern
Marquette
Colorado State
William and Mary
Delaware
Oregon State
Cal Baptist
Eastern Michigan
Liberty
Umass-Lowell
Toledo
Quinnipiac
To name a few. #wegotus
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Tom Nelson
@NEBallAcademy
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Mark Gasperini has heard from
Wake Forest
Hawaii
Umass-Amherst
Northeastern
Marquette
Colorado State
William and Mary
Delaware
Oregon State
Cal Baptist
Eastern Michigan
Liberty
Umass-Lowell
Toledo
Quinnipiac
To name a few. #wegotus
Similar to Jonah Antonio, that's another player I thought could develop into a high major role player after his freshman season...instead, he's gotten worse every year. Couldn't see him being more than an emergency center in the event of massive foul trouble. Random fact, he was injured when we played American three years ago.
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I’m not even sure a “next season” is likely.
As in you don’t think we’ll have a 2020-2021 college basketball season?
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The NCAA Council is scheduled to meet 4-23 to 4-24 to discuss this among other matters. Will that meeting happen? With all that’s going on, even a video conference is unlikely?
That’s for proposed legislation from the current cycle. Nothing has been out forward on transfers to Leg Council.
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A starting lineup of:
Carton, Mane, Bailey, Garcia, and John.
That should have us in contention for the Big East title.
2 guys not even on the team, 1 6-9 210 pound true freshman PF, 1 foul magnet and Bailey. Time to put what’s left of my portfolio on MU.
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2 guys not even on the team, 1 6-9 210 pound true freshman PF, 1 foul magnet and Bailey. Time to put what’s left of my portfolio on MU.
I think you are thinking of Oso. Garcia is listed as 6'11 220.
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Technically would be Day 3....
Also, the NIT. :'(
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That’s for proposed legislation from the current cycle. Nothing has been out forward on transfers to Leg Council.
That mAkes it even less likely?
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As in you don’t think we’ll have a 2020-2021 college basketball season?
I’ll save it for the Superbar, but I think that is a possibility. Ask me in a month.
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FWIW Coach Killings has recently followed these guys but I haven't seen us mentioned with by the national guys:
Nate Johnson - 6'3 SG from Gardner Webb
112.5 ORtg, 19.9usg, 56.9efg%, 7.4ARate, 15.8TORate, 41% 3P%
Sam Sessoms - 6' PG from Binghamton
100.5 ORtg, 32.1usg, 48efg%, 32.3ARate, 17.5TORate, 32% 3P%
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I think you are thinking of Oso. Garcia is listed as 6'11 220.
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/234905/dawson-garcia
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That mAkes it even less likely?
It’s a separate committee. It’s going to happen but some details such as a GPA requirement and effective date are still being discussed and the membership being surveyed.
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http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/234905/dawson-garcia
ESPN recruiting site is garbage.
https://247sports.com/Player/Dawson-Garcia-46050093/
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ESPN recruiting site is garbage.
https://247sports.com/Player/Dawson-Garcia-46050093/
Haha, true.
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Like 20 teams have reached out to Carton
We haven't?? WTF
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Like 20 teams have reached out to Carton
We haven't?? WTF
Based on the names we’ve reached out to, it’s possible we’re now fishing in a smaller pool.
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Like 20 teams have reached out to Carton
We haven't?? WTF
Just because you didn't see it reported doesn't mean it hasn't already happened.
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Just because you didn't see it reported doesn't mean it hasn't already happened.
One of the Marquette coaches is following Carton on Twitter, but if it backs up an agenda here.......
Not referring to you Brew.
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One of the Marquette coaches is following Carton on Twitter, but if it backs up an agenda here.......
Not referring to you Brew.
He is also following DJ's mom...and his latest follow is Erik Stevenson
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He is also following DJ's mom...and his latest follow is Erik Stevenson
Stevenson has apparently cut his list of schools to 5 and Marquette is not on that list.
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I’ve seen Marquette not “hot” on CrystalBall” and we’ve signed those same players. Not everything is up to speed.
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I’ll save it for the Superbar, but I think that is a possibility. Ask me in a month.
That would mean the country is still effectively shut down 7 months, 10 months, a year + from now. Worldwide depression.
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Bruner in the transfer portal after all.
Yale’s Jordan Bruner enters transfer portal, and has already received plenty of high-major interest
By David Borges
March 19, 2020 Updated: March 19, 2020 7:31 p.m.
https://www.ctinsider.com/uconn/nhregister/article/Yale-s-Jordan-Bruner-enters-transfer-portal-15143672.php
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@jakeweingarten: Indiana, Marquette, Northwestern, BYU, Dayton, are amongst the newest programs to reach out to Virginia Tech transfer Landers Nolley II, he told @Stockrisers.
60+ programs have reached out.
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@jakeweingarten: Indiana, Marquette, Northwestern, BYU, Dayton, are amongst the newest programs to reach out to Virginia Tech transfer Landers Nolley II, he told @Stockrisers.
60+ programs have reached out.
Since the coaches are stuck in the office, all college coaches must be putting feelers out for these transfers. MU is in a better position since they have
so many openings. See if any come to visit after April 15th, is there a signing date end of April now, have not heard the spring signing date is?
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Seems pretty clear that there is some real concern about our roster next year - and rightfully so. Let’s hope we don’t have any transfers out. With all the PT available that should help dissuade transfer.
Hard to fathom this was the forecasted reality/projection for Year 7 in Wojo’s Golden Power Point.
The extensions given to Wojo by Lovell were premature and amateur.
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Seems pretty clear that there is some real concern about our roster next year - and rightfully so. Let’s hope we don’t have any transfers out. With all the PT available for hat should help dissuade transfer.
Hard to fathom this was the forecasted reality/projection for Year 7 in Wojo’s Golden Power Point.
The extensions given to a Wojo by Lovell were premature and amateur.
Definitely agree about extension, I would just add Scholl too, unless he’s an AD in title only.
I’ll be very surprised if no one transfers out. Hope Symir isn’t one of them.
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Seems pretty clear that there is some real concern about our roster next year - and rightfully so. Let’s hope we don’t have any transfers out. With all the PT available for hat should help dissuade transfer.
Hard to fathom this was the forecasted reality/projection for Year 7 in Wojo’s Golden Power Point.
The extensions given to a Wojo by Lovell were premature and amateur.
All the more reason for Stan to leave. Nothing to gain by staying another year on a squad that's going to struggle mightily.
After looking at some of the people Wojo has offered, you could say desperation is at fever pitch right now. This team is going to have a lot of problems on the perimeter and advancing the ball upcourt.
Lovell is in over his head and next year is the breaking point.
Cheap tickets though.....
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@jakeweingarten: Indiana, Marquette, Northwestern, BYU, Dayton, are amongst the newest programs to reach out to Virginia Tech transfer Landers Nolley II, he told @Stockrisers.
60+ programs have reached out.
Ed Morrow with higher usage and a bit of a jumper. Not sure that's what we need.
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I’ll be very surprised if no one transfers out. Hope Symir isn’t one of them.
https://twitter.com/Syboogie10/status/1238576576268251137?s=19
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Jfc.
You'd think the pandemic was MU bball and not Coronavirus.
You guys being isolated at home is not healthy, clearly
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Seems pretty clear that there is some real concern about our roster next year - and rightfully so. Let’s hope we don’t have any transfers out. With all the PT available that should help dissuade transfer.
Hard to fathom this was the forecasted reality/projection for Year 7 in Wojo’s Golden Power Point.
The extensions given to Wojo by Lovell were premature and amateur.
So recruiting transfers means there's real concern about our roster? Does that mean every team who recruits a transfer has real concern about their roster?
As for the extension, he needed to be extended or fired last season. The worst thing would be to do nothing. And no one is firing a coach after last season
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https://twitter.com/Syboogie10/status/1238576576268251137?s=19
Good to hear that. He’s one of very few returning guys i definitely want back.
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Ed Morrow with higher usage and a bit of a jumper. Not sure that's what we need.
I watched a fair amount of him this season. He’s a four man who desperately wants to be a lead guard. No thanks.
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I watched a fair amount of him this season. He’s a four man who desperately wants to be a lead guard. No thanks.
Exactly. Everything I've heard is that he wants to be a wing, but like Ed, he's not a high major wing. No thanks.
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A freshman former top 75 recruit who scored 16 ppg in an inefficient way in a high major conference? Absolutely worth a shot in my book. Long, lean, and doesn’t have a history of injury.
Also, anyone who thinks Wojo shouldn’t have gotten an extension doesn’t understand how sports above the high school level work. Even professional coaches are extended when they might not have “earned” it looking at the results, and they aren’t even going out recruiting players trying to convince them they should play for them...even though their contract ends before the player’s time would finish there.
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So recruiting transfers means there's real concern about our roster? Does that mean every team who recruits a transfer has real concern about their roster?
As for the extension, he needed to be extended or fired last season. The worst thing would be to do nothing. And no one is firing a coach after last season
Some of the guys we’ve reached out don’t exactly have great resumes. That reeks of desperation.
Further, wasn’t the whole rationale for keeping Wojo around was that he’d bring “stability.” Yet here are in Year 7 with a roster that is currently not constructed very well. Did you really think we’d be reliant on the grad transfer/transfer market in Year 7?
As for the extension - the first extension after winning that pre-season NIT was amateur AF. Was no risk of losing him at that time and it didn’t justify an extension.
As for extending him again? Well that’s fine University-based logic. Hey, even though the guy has underperformed and lost two key cogs in program due to locker room mismanagement - we need to extend him to help recruit. Tough sh$t. Sink or swim time. He didn’t deserve either extension and now we are stuck with a guy that is clearly mediocre at best.
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Some of the guys we’ve reached out don’t exactly have great resumes. That reeks of desperation.
Further, wasn’t the whole rationale for keeping Wojo around was that he’d bring “stability.” Yet here are in Year 7 with a roster that is currently not constructed very well. Did you really think we’d be reliant on the grad transfer/transfer market in Year 7?
As for the extension - the first extension after winning that pre-season NIT was amateur AF. Was no risk of losing him at that time and it didn’t justify an extension.
As for extending him again? Well that’s fine University-based logic. Hey, even though the guy has underperformed and lost two key cogs in program due to locker room mismanagement - we need to extend him to help recruit. Tough sh$t. Sink or swim time. He didn’t deserve either extension and now we are stuck with a guy that is clearly mediocre at best.
Yelling it louder doesn’t make it any less clueless.
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A freshman former top 75 recruit who scored 16 ppg in an inefficient way in a high major conference? Absolutely worth a shot in my book. Long, lean, and doesn’t have a history of injury.
Also, anyone who thinks Wojo shouldn’t have gotten an extension doesn’t understand how sports above the high school level work. Even professional coaches are extended when they might not have “earned” it looking at the results, and they aren’t even going out recruiting players trying to convince them they should play for them...even though their contract ends before the player’s time would finish there.
Have you ever seen him play?
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Exactly. Everything I've heard is that he wants to be a wing, but like Ed, he's not a high major wing. No thanks.
And yet Arizona, Oregon, Louisville, UCLA, Auburn, Florida, Texas Tech and even Nate Oats at Alabama have reached out to him.
Not bad for Ed Morrow Parr II.
Nolley may or may not be a good fit for MU, but let's not act like he's a mediocre player.
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And yet Arizona, Oregon, Louisville, UCLA, Auburn, Florida, Texas Tech and even Nate Oats at Alabama have reached out to him.
Not bad for Ed Morrow Parr II.
Nolley may or may not be a good fit for MU, but let's not act like he's a mediocre player.
Fine. Let them have him. I've seen how that movie ends. He might be a fine player, but I think he's a terrible fit for our system. That's enough reason for me to say hard, hard pass.
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A freshman former top 75 recruit who scored 16 ppg in an inefficient way in a high major conference? Absolutely worth a shot in my book. Long, lean, and doesn’t have a history of injury.
Also, anyone who thinks Wojo shouldn’t have gotten an extension doesn’t understand how sports above the high school level work. Even professional coaches are extended when they might not have “earned” it looking at the results, and they aren’t even going out recruiting players trying to convince them they should play for them...even though their contract ends before the player’s time would finish there.
Question for you: what assurances do players get that their coach won’t leave or get fired from the school they signed up to play for, prior to their 4 years elapsing?
Kids have to sit out a year if they transfer out after a coach leaves or gets fired.
And btw, you really should stop acting like a know it all and expert on all things because you are the genius who promised us Wojo was the goods and would have us tending like Duke under K once he had “his guys.” Need me to re-post that from 2015?
Sink or swim. Wojo has 5 years to deliver the goods. Year 5 ended with an implosion, a divided locker room, and the transfer out of two major contributors. Red flag. You don’t extend that.
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Well that’s fine University-based logic. Hey, even though the guy has underperformed and lost two key cogs in program due to locker room mismanagement - we need to extend him to help recruit. Tough sh$t. Sink or swim time. He didn’t deserve either extension and now we are stuck with a guy that is clearly mediocre at best.
Thankfully, you aren't a university administrator, because you clearly don't understand how these things work, not just at Marquette but at pretty much every school in the nation.
As TAMU said, either you extend him or you fire him. And there wasn't a single school in the United States that would have fired him.
You have some decent basketball knowledge, Nrs, but it's frighteningly bad takes of yours like this one that leave some of us scratching our heads.
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Some of the guys we’ve reached out don’t exactly have great resumes. That reeks of desperation.
So because two guys listed us (along with other high major programs) as a school that has talked to him (not offered), we reek of desperation?
Further, wasn’t the whole rationale for keeping Wojo around was that he’d bring “stability.” Yet here are in Year 7 with a roster that is currently not constructed very well. Did you really think we’d be reliant on the grad transfer/transfer market in Year 7?
If by reliant, you mean recruiting grad transfers and transfers like every other program in the country, then yes. It is part of college basketball. In addition, yes I've been expecting year 7 to be a down year for years now.
As for extending him again? Well that’s fine University-based logic.
What is your vendetta against universities? You've brought this up a couple of time now.
Hey, even though the guy has underperformed and lost two key cogs in program due to locker room mismanagement - we need to extend him to help recruit. Tough sh$t. Sink or swim time. He didn’t deserve either extension and now we are stuck with a guy that is clearly mediocre at best.
First, he hadn't underperformed to that point. Second, I'm of the belief that you either make clean break or you give the coach the all the tools he needs to be successful. You disagree and that's fine.
Next season will be interesting though. You and others have placed expectations so low already. Now that Stan has left who some have claimed is the only reason we have had any success under Wojo, I'd imagine those expectations are even lower. What happens if we do make the tournament next season? Theoretically even making the NIT as high seed would be impressive given how bad you claim the roster is. Of course, I would have though the same this year since many were claiming that we wouldn't make the tournament after losing the Hausers, yet here we are.
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So because two guys listed us (along with other high major programs) as a school that has talked to him (not offered), we reek of desperation?
If by reliant, you mean recruiting grad transfers and transfers like every other program in the country, then yes. It is part of college basketball. In addition, yes I've been expecting year 7 to be a down year for years now.
What is your vendetta against universities? You've brought this up a couple of time now.
First, he hadn't underperformed to that point. Second, I'm of the belief that you either make clean break or you give the coach the all the tools he needs to be successful. You disagree and that's fine.
Next season will be interesting though. You and others have placed expectations so low already. Now that Stan has left who some have claimed is the only reason we have had any success under Wojo, I'd imagine those expectations are even lower. What happens if we do make the tournament next season? Theoretically even making the NIT as high seed would be impressive given how bad you claim the roster is. Of course, I would have though the same this year since many were claiming that we wouldn't make the tournament after losing the Hausers, yet here we are.
Using logic and reason against them is just unfair. It's quite delicious when it's their own logic though.
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Thankfully, you aren't a university administrator, because you clearly don't understand how these things work, not just at Marquette but at pretty much every school in the nation.
As TAMU said, either you extend him or you fire him. And there wasn't a single school in the United States that would have fired him.
You have some decent basketball knowledge, Nrs, but it's frighteningly bad takes of yours like this one that leave some of us scratching our heads.
Appreciate the tone 82. The first mistake was extending him the first time after the pre-season NIT. No need.
I get the rationale for why you want a coach under contract for 4+ years for recruiting purposes, but, at some point the coach getting paid $2M has to deal with the consequences of their performance. Maybe his job gets harder. Sure. But. Such is life.
Btw - If I were a university admin, we wouldn’t be in this purgatory of a place. Wojo would have been gone after Year 2. But the patience crowd won out and look where we are headed into Year 7.
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As TAMU said, either you extend him or you fire him. And there wasn't a single school in the United States that would have fired him.
Using this logic, will Wojo get another extension this year?
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Appreciate the tone 82. The first mistake was extending him the first time after the pre-season NIT. No need.
I get the rationale for why you want a coach under contract for 4+ years for recruiting purposes, but, at some point the coach getting paid $2M has to deal with the consequences of their performance. Maybe his job gets harder. Sure. But. Such is life.
Btw - If I were a university admin, we wouldn’t be in this purgatory of a place. Wojo would have been gone after Year 2. But the patience crowd won out and look where we are headed into Year 7.
You would have fired a coach who won 20 games in his second season, had just successfully recruited and coached a 5-star who went on to be drafted in the first round, and had a top-25 class coming in that included Markus Howard and Sam Hauser? Really? Impressive.
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Using this logic, will Wojo get another extension this year?
I don't know if he will, but there are reasons that he should. It helps recruiting and is the only real way to open up other clauses in the contract to negotiation.
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Using this logic, will Wojo get another extension this year?
I don't think so, and I hope not. He has 4 years left on his contract, and next season should be very important as an evaluation tool.
However, after next season, you probably either have to extend him again or fire him.
That's simply how it works now.
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I don't think so, and I hope not. He has 4 years left on his contract, and next season should be very important as an evaluation tool.
However, after next season, you probably either have to extend him again or fire him.
That's simply how it works now.
But this is the exact scenario of last year. How is he supposed to recruit, etc? If this is as bad as you are portraying, we should fire him now.
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I don't think so, and I hope not. He has 4 years left on his contract, and next season should be very important as an evaluation tool.
However, after next season, you probably either have to extend him again or fire him.
That's simply how it works now.
Next season, year 7, “should be a very important evaluation tool.”
You’re kidding right, sarcasm, huh?
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Next season, year 7, “should be a very important evaluation tool.”
You’re kidding right, sarcasm, huh?
10 years to judge!
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10 years to judge!
Really, beyond absurd.
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Alex OConnell from Duke is transferring
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But this is the exact scenario of last year. How is he supposed to recruit, etc? If this is as bad as you are portraying, we should fire him now.
His extension was for 2 years.
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You would have fired a coach who won 20 games in his second season, had just successfully recruited and coached a 5-star who went on to be drafted in the first round, and had a top-25 class coming in that included Markus Howard and Sam Hauser? Really? Impressive.
Yes. I’d seen plenty to know he didn’t have it. We missed the NiT that year. 20 wins? Big deal.
Would have put feelers out behind the scenes to see if any proven coaches had interest. If not, would have promoted Stan at that time and we keep Markus.
End of the day, what has keeping Wojo accomplished? No NCAA wins. But there was that NIT quarterfinal appearance.
Now heading into Year 7, we are poised to take another step back.
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Yes. I’d seen plenty to know he didn’t have it. We missed the NiT that year. 20 wins? Big deal.
Would have put feelers out behind the scenes to see if any proven coaches had interest. If not, would have promoted Stan at that time and we keep Markus.
End of the day, what has keeping Wojo accomplished? No NCAA wins. But there was that NIT quarterfinal appearance.
Now heading into Year 7, we are poised to take another step back.
Lol. Fire your head coach 2 years in. Hire his assistant of 1 year.
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Lol. Fire your head coach 2 years in. Hire his assistant of 1 year.
:o
When you know you know Wades. Just like I knew Buzz was the goods 10 games in.
Slow to hire. Fast to fire. Best to be prudent before extending an offer, but once you realize a hire doesn’t have it - best to move on immediately.
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Yes. I’d seen plenty to know he didn’t have it. We missed the NiT that year. 20 wins? Big deal.
Would have put feelers out behind the scenes to see if any proven coaches had interest. If not, would have promoted Stan at that time and we keep Markus.
Do you have proof that is what you advocated during and/or after the 2015-16 season? If so, I'm really impressed. If you don't have proof, please stop making claims today about what you would have done 4 years ago.
Next season, year 7, “should be a very important evaluation tool.”
You’re kidding right, sarcasm, huh?
I am speaking from the prism of having just come off of Year 6.
Year 7 is the next season. And no, I would not extend his contract until seeing what he accomplishes in Year 7.
I think you don't understand how I feel about Wojo, even though I have stated it clearly.
He has made the NCAAs in 3 of the last 4 years, but he followed a year that ended in collapse with another year that ended in collapse. The second year clearly was regression from the one before. Those obviously are bad signs. Further regression should lead to his dismissal.
You might believe he should be dismissed now. Him getting fired today would not break my heart, I assure you. But I am realistic enough to know that it simply is not going to happen.
So I look ahead to next season -- after which, I believe the administration will have to decide to either extend his contract or fire him.
But this is the exact scenario of last year.
It's not.
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Out of curiosity, what did the pro-Stan crowd see in him outside of recruiting? Was he not on the bench right next to Wojo when all these bad decisions were being made? Wasn't he in the locker room 12 months ago when things erupted? Was he not at practice when no one was being coached up and no game plan was being installed?
I am not sure why we would want to hire the top assistant of the worst coach in college basketball.
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Out of curiosity, what did the pro-Stan crowd see in him outside of recruiting? Was he not on the bench right next to Wojo when all these bad decisions were being made? Wasn't he in the locker room 12 months ago when things erupted? Was he not at practice when no one was being coached up and no game plan was being installed?
I am not sure why we would want to hire the top assistant of the worst coach in college basketball history.
FIFY
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Giving an extension isn’t a problem as long as the buy out is low. But I don’t think Wojo’s is.
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Giving an extension isn’t a problem as long as the buy out is low. But I don’t think Wojo’s is.
That's exactly why you give an extension.
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Do you have proof that is what you advocated during and/or after the 2015-16 season? If so, I'm really impressed. If you don't have proof, please stop making claims today about what you would have done 4 years ago.
82 - I’ve been banned from Scoop 5 times, 4 of which centered around being critical of Wojo and not relenting from that criticism despite the perpetual support you, Wades, TAMU, Tower, Sultan, Brew offered up in those early years.
Rocky has the ban hammer and he’s also been a strong supporter/advocate for Wojo.
You know I wanted him gone early. It was myself and Herman Cain that beat that drum loudest and we got banned and shouted down for sounding the alarm. Is what it is.
That all being said, Wojo exceeded my expectations this past season. The implosion down the stretch ultimately eroded the little optimism I gained. I’ve tried to resign myself to being content with bubble team status for the sake of some harmony here. Yet hard to do so when we’ve been been passed by Providence, Seton Hall, Creighton and all the other new admits to the revised Big East - Butler and X.
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https://twitter.com/Syboogie10/status/1238576576268251137?s=19
Awesome. High hopes for Symir
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82 - I’ve been banned from Scoop 5 times, 4 of which centered around being critical of Wojo and not relenting from that criticism despite the perpetual support you, Wades, TAMU, Tower, Sultan, Brew offered up in those early years.
Rocky has the ban hammer and he’s also been a strong supporter/advocate for Wojo.
You know I wanted him gone early. It was myself and Herman Cain that beat that drum loudest and we got banned and shouted down for sounding the alarm. Is what it is.
That all being said, Wojo exceeded my expectations this past season. The implosion down the stretch ultimately eroded the little optimism I gained. I’ve tried to resign myself to being content with bubble team status for the sake of some harmony here. Yet hard to do so when we’ve been been passed by Providence, Seton Hall, Creighton and all the other new admits to the revised Big East - Butler and X.
Says it all.
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82 - I’ve been banned from Scoop 5 times, 4 of which centered around being critical of Wojo and not relenting from that criticism despite the perpetual support you, Wades, TAMU, Tower, Sultan, Brew offered up in those early years.
Rocky has the ban hammer and he’s also been a strong supporter/advocate for Wojo.
You know I wanted him gone early. It was myself and Herman Cain that beat that drum loudest and we got banned and shouted down for sounding the alarm. Is what it is.
That all being said, Wojo exceeded my expectations this past season. The implosion down the stretch ultimately eroded the little optimism I gained. I’ve tried to resign myself to being content with bubble team status for the sake of some harmony here. Yet hard to do so when we’ve been been passed by Providence, Seton Hall, Creighton and all the other new admits to the revised Big East - Butler and X.
Lay off..... Wojo is a nice guy. Nice Guys finish first at MU these days. It's about attitude, image, and whatever Kenpom stats you can find to support the failed narrative.
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Lay off..... Wojo is a nice guy. Nice Guys finish first at MU these days. It's about attitude, image, and whatever Kenpom stats you can find to support the failed narrative.
You forgot...his kids graduate and represent the University well. #winsnomatta
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Alex OConnell from Duke is transferring
Wow
That kid is good!! Did notice he got lost in shuffle at times tho
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Says it all.
Is this idiot chicos?
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Is this idiot chicos?
No, he's the guy that holds the video camera when Wojo pays a late night visit.
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If I am forced to read one more anti-Wojo post on a Trasfer portal thread I’m gone from Scoop.
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Says it all.
That having intuition and accurate foresight is a bad thing?
That aside, sorry you bet on the wrong horse in Wojo, Wades. If I was trying to handicap volleyball coaches, no doubt I’d be clueless - much like you are in basketball.
The difference between you and me? I don’t assert supreme knowledge in a sport that I really don’t know much about. In fact I don’t even try, which is why you don’t find me posting in the Superbar about NFL, Baseball, Hockey, etc.
Yet, I’ve browsed some of those threads and there you are - getting in arguments consistently.
In reality you really should be the poster getting banned.
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Alex OConnell from Duke is transferring
Perhaps K does Wojo a solid and puts in strong recommendation. We are gonna need all the help we can get next year.
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That having intuition and accurate foresight is a bad thing?
That aside, sorry you bet on the wrong horse in Wojo, Wades. If I was trying to handicap volleyball coaches, no doubt I’d be clueless - much like you are in basketball.
The difference between you and me? I don’t assert supreme knowledge in a sport that I really don’t know much about. In fact I don’t even try, which is why you don’t find me posting in the Superbar about NFL, Baseball, Hockey, etc.
Yet, I’ve browsed some of those threads and there you are - getting in arguments consistently.
In reality you really should be the poster getting banned.
And if I got banned I would not have come back 5 different times lol. Like I said, says it all.
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82 - I’ve been banned from Scoop 5 times, 4 of which centered around being critical of Wojo and not relenting from that criticism despite the perpetual support you, Wades, TAMU, Tower, Sultan, Brew offered up in those early years.
Rocky has the ban hammer and he’s also been a strong supporter/advocate for Wojo.
False. You’ve been banned because you’re an unrelenting a$$hole who doesn’t know when to stfu.
Talk about lack of self-awareness.
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I've asked this before, and don't believe that I've ever gotten a response, so I'll try again. Has there ever been a high major head coach that has seen out the entirety of his contract? It seems like the vast majority (if not all) of them either leave of their own accord with years remaining on their contract, or get fired with years remaining on their contract. All the scoopers that want Wojo gone and are only looking at the years remaining are looking at the wrong numbers. The only number that should interest this portion of the fanbase is his current buyout.
As long as Wojo is employed at MU, he will have 4+ years remaining on whatever contract he has. Neither MU nor Wojo will ever let that number count down to zero.
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I've asked this before, and don't believe that I've ever gotten a response, so I'll try again. Has there ever been a high major head coach that has seen out the entirety of his contract? It seems like the vast majority (if not all) of them either leave of their own accord with years remaining on their contract, or get fired with years remaining on their contract. All the scoopers that want Wojo gone and are only looking at the years remaining are looking at the wrong numbers. The only number that should interest this portion of the fanbase is his current buyout.
As long as Wojo is employed at MU, he will have 4+ years remaining on whatever contract he has. Neither MU nor Wojo will ever let that number count down to zero.
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Most likely....
Also depends if right hire is available - which is the most important part of the equation.
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I've asked this before, and don't believe that I've ever gotten a response, so I'll try again. Has there ever been a high major head coach that has seen out the entirety of his contract? It seems like the vast majority (if not all) of them either leave of their own accord with years remaining on their contract, or get fired with years remaining on their contract. All the scoopers that want Wojo gone and are only looking at the years remaining are looking at the wrong numbers. The only number that should interest this portion of the fanbase is his current buyout.
As long as Wojo is employed at MU, he will have 4+ years remaining on whatever contract he has. Neither MU nor Wojo will ever let that number count down to zero.
Yeah. It’s common sense. Contract extensions mean nothing more than, “we’re not firing our coach at the moment.”
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I'd keep a close eye on the DJ Carton recruitment..I hate to get anyone's hopes up but I personally think this one just might happen. He wants to be closer to home..Iowa has no scholarships and won't pursue him. Wisconsin also has no scholarships available. That leaves MU with plenty of playing time to offer, less than 3 hours from home and a previous relationship. Would be a HUGE get.
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I'd keep a close eye on the DJ Carton recruitment..I hate to get anyone's hopes up but I personally think this one just might happen. He wants to be closer to home..Iowa has no scholarships and won't pursue him. Wisconsin also has no scholarships available. That leaves MU with plenty of playing time to offer, less than 3 hours from home and a previous relationship. Would be a HUGE get.
Do we know for certain he wants to be closer to home? He’s dealing with some mental health issues so it’s reasonable to think he would want to, but I haven’t heard him saying that.
Also, if he wants to go to UW or Iowa they will find a scholarship for him.
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Do we know for certain he wants to be closer to home? He’s dealing with some mental health issues so it’s reasonable to think he would want to, but I haven’t heard him saying that.
Also, if he wants to go to UW or Iowa they will find a scholarship for him.
Wasn't there a PG in state that was going to go to MU but had mental issues? I think he just faded away and never played. What was his name?
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Do we know for certain he wants to be closer to home? He’s dealing with some mental health issues so it’s reasonable to think he would want to, but I haven’t heard him saying that.
Also, if he wants to go to UW or Iowa they will find a scholarship for him.
That is the consensus from most people that have been around him. Iowa will NOT be pursuing him. That's fact. UW has contacted him, but remember, their fans will tell you they don't play the "run someone off" game. Only MU does that and it's despicable when they do. Besides, I'm GUESSING he may not want to stay in the Big Ten and screw OSU like that. It's not like he left there bitter. Also, UW was not even in his final six. Indiana who was in his final six will also not be pursuing him.
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Wasn't there a PG in state that was going to go to MU but had mental issues? I think he just faded away and never played. What was his name?
Nick Noskowiak. Committed to Buzz, I believe recommitted to Wojo before decommitting. Think he had some delinquency issues.
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Nick Noskowiak. Committed to Buzz, I believe recommitted to Wojo before decommitting. Think he had some delinquency issues.
Weren’t his delinquency issues most likely a consequence of his mental health issues?
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Weren’t his delinquency issues most likely a consequence of his mental health issues?
Looked him up. Played 2 years in Juco. Averaged 10 pts/game his sophomore season.
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That is the consensus from most people that have been around him. Iowa will NOT be pursuing him. That's fact. UW has contacted him, but remember, their fans will tell you they don't play the "run someone off" game. Only MU does that and it's despicable when they do. Besides, I'm GUESSING he may not want to stay in the Big Ten and screw OSU like that. It's not like he left there bitter. Also, UW was not even in his final six. Indiana who was in his final six will also not be pursuing him.
I will second that Iowa will not be pursuing him... their current PG is the coach’s son, Bohannon is coming back as the other PG and unless they get a transfer out they have no scholies. Carton if he is healthy is a “program changer.” He’s from Big Ten country... don’t count out Illinois or Bucky
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Badgers have Trice, Bowman and Hepburn at point for years. Illinois has Ayo, who might turn pro, so the Illinois would be a good choice, not sure if they recruited a point guard for this year
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Badgers have Trice, Bowman and Hepburn at point for years. Illinois has Ayo, who might turn pro, so the Illinois would be a good choice, not sure if they recruited a point guard for this year
They added 2 guards in the 2020 class both top 75
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Badgers have Trice, Bowman and Hepburn at point for years. Illinois has Ayo, who might turn pro, so the Illinois would be a good choice, not sure if they recruited a point guard for this year
Illinois also has no scholarships available and have 4* Andre Curbelo coming in at PG and Adam Miller at SG
Also MU is only about 3 hours and 15 mins from home(depending on how you go to Bettendorf), Illinois and UW are closer but only by about 20-25 mins. Negligible.
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82 - I’ve been banned from Scoop 5 times, 4 of which centered around being critical of Wojo and not relenting from that criticism
First ... I can't believe you'd keep coming back where you're clearly not wanted, but whatevs.
Second ... so you can't offer proof in the form of a link during or after the 2015-16 season in which you said you wanted him fired right then and there. Cool.
Enjoy beating the same subject till it's bloody 500,000 more times ... and until you're banned again.
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Sometimes it is hard to believe, schools somehow know how to run somebody off. MU looks like the best choice, but if he is that good other schools find away. Like why would Illinois and Wisky call him?
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Sometimes it is hard to believe, schools somehow know how to run somebody off. MU looks like the best choice, but if he is that good other schools find away. Like why would Illinois and Wisky call him?
Keep in mind, and especially now with not being able to take visits until who knows when, MU would likely have a leg up on UW and Illinois in that MU was in his final six (and he also visited MU unofficially so he has seen campus etc)., neither of them were. Michigan was in his top 3, but that was when Belien was there,
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Well we will see in a month or so!
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Dachon Burke is transferring from Nebraska. I bring him up because MU recruited him when he transferred from Robert Morris two seasons ago. He was one of the top guys for a terrible Husker squad this past season. His advanced stats don't scream elite player but I could see him being a 4th or 5th starter for a decent high major team.
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Has MU even been mentioned as offering/contacting Carton? I’m assuming Carton hasn’t listed schools he’s looking at yet. I don’t see anything to suggest we’re a likely landing spot for him.
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Has MU even been mentioned as offering/contacting Carton? I’m assuming Carton hasn’t listed schools he’s looking at yet. I don’t see anything to suggest we’re a likely landing spot for him.
Wojo has contacted him.... Give it until after this weekend, then I think we might see more on him.
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Has MU even been mentioned as offering/contacting Carton? I’m assuming Carton hasn’t listed schools he’s looking at yet. I don’t see anything to suggest we’re a likely landing spot for him.
Not publicly on Twitter, but I've also heard from a couple places that Marquette reached out, and was one of the first to do so. Carton is off social media after taking some abuse over his transfer, so I'm not sure how public his recruitment will be.
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Keep in mind, and especially now with not being able to take visits until who knows when, MU would likely have a leg up on UW and Illinois in that MU was in his final six (and he also visited MU unofficially so he has seen campus etc)., neither of them were. Michigan was in his top 3, but that was when Belien was there,
Wisconsin was one of the first schools to recruit Carton and he may have been on campus previously.
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Wisconsin was one of the first schools to recruit Carton and he may have been on campus previously.
According to his recruiting timeline, he never visited there. That doesn't mean he didn't however. Plus, with them having no scholarships(and you know Ted they don't believe in running ppl off even though Ericthered is advocating for it in this instance), it might be a tough get for them. That's my hope anyway. Still think MU makes the most sense.
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According to his recruiting timeline, he never visited there. That doesn't mean he didn't however. Plus, with them having no scholarships(and you know Ted they don't believe in running ppl off even though Ericthered is advocating for it in this instance), it might be a tough get for them. That's my hope anyway. Still think MU makes the most sense.
Carton? He’s visited Wisconsin upwards of 5-10 times since his freshman season of High School.
Wisconsin & Illinois to be big players I’m told. Marquette & Creighton want in too, the Iowa 247 reporter said Wojo called him twice already.
On the Wisconsin angle; Trice graduates, Lorne played off ball to Rozier who ran point in HS this past season & Hepburn is still years away
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Carton? He’s visited Wisconsin upwards of 5-10 times since his freshman season of High School.
Wisconsin & Illinois to be big players I’m told. Marquette & Creighton want in too, the Iowa 247 reporter said Wojo called him twice already.
On the Wisconsin angle; Trice graduates, Lorne played off ball to Rozier who ran point in HS this past season & Hepburn is still years away
Neither school has scholarships available. They would have to "create" room. That's not the Wisconsin way...just ask them, they will tell you. Creighton is too far away as everyone says the goal is to be closer to home. Plus, they are LOADED at Guard. I'm approaching this as if he will be granted a waiver to play immediately(likely), or the rule will be passed that he doesn't have to sit out a year. so I think that needs to be taken into consideration when thinking about landing spots for him and whast those schools will have coming back this upcoming season.
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Illinois also has no scholarships available and have 4* Andre Curbelo coming in at PG and Adam Miller at SG
Also MU is only about 3 hours and 15 mins from home(depending on how you go to Bettendorf), Illinois and UW are closer but only by about 20-25 mins. Negligible.
This is where I see MU being appealing if a waiver is involved. With Ayo back + Frazier & the need for Adam Miller to have ball in hands, that’s a lot of mouths to feed in backcourt & then Curbelo needs to run the point the year following
Not sure of IL scholarship wiggle room, but I’m sure Underwood can find a way. Wisconsin gave Trevor Anderson scholarship this past season as they only had 8 or 9 scholarship players - so could put him back on walk on for senior year
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Awesome. High hopes for Symir
Curious that he announced this. Wonder what the catalyst was (I.e. truly thinking about leaving or someone who would compete for mins not coming).
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Curious that he announced this. Wonder what the catalyst was (I.e. truly thinking about leaving or someone who would compete for mins not coming).
More of an appreciation of his relationship with the departing seniors.
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This is where I see MU being appealing if a waiver is involved. With Ayo back + Frazier & the need for Adam Miller to have ball in hands, that’s a lot of mouths to feed in backcourt & then Curbelo needs to run the point the year following
Not sure of IL scholarship wiggle room, but I’m sure Underwood can find a way. Wisconsin gave Trevor Anderson scholarship this past season as they only had 8 or 9 scholarship players - so could put him back on walk on for senior year
Illinois could also be smart and stop playing Frazier.
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Had Carton signed with MU originally and still had what ever issue he had, you guys would be blaming Wojo for it.
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Had Carton signed with MU originally and still had what ever issue he had, you guys would be blaming Wojo for it.
Lol
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Nick Noskowiak. Committed to Buzz, I believe recommitted to Wojo before decommitting. Think he had some delinquency issues.
Here is the timeline. I believe Wojo told him he wasn’t welcome but they announced it was mutual.
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/2015/09/03/sunday-letters-noskowiak-story-sad-tale/71509604/
http://archive.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/290014981.html
There was a story of him going berserk in a car ride as the passenger. The article references it but doesn’t tell the story so I don’t want to reply what I remember about it. I believe that was the straw that lead Wojo to cut him.
He went on to have more legal issues like owi and dui. Iowa State also asked him to leave. Underlying issues were stated to be depression, father, substance related
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Here is the timeline. I believe Wojo told him he wasn’t welcome but they announced it was mutual.
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/2015/09/03/sunday-letters-noskowiak-story-sad-tale/71509604/
http://archive.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/290014981.html
There was a story of him going berserk in a car ride as the passenger. The article references it but doesn’t tell the story so I don’t want to reply what I remember about it. I believe that was the straw that lead Wojo to cut him.
He went on to have more legal issues like owi and dui. Iowa State also asked him to leave. Underlying issues were stated to be depression, father, substance related
That car ride was with his mother and she was terrified. But, I believe that happened after Nick was released.
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https://kentuckysportsradio.com/basketball-2/unlv-grad-transfer-amauri-hardy-brother-of-major-uk-target-jaden-hardy-is-hearing-from-kentucky/
Was doing some research for the PT transfer tracker, found this article. Hadn't seen us mentioned with him yet:
Kentucky joins the likes of Michigan State, Oregon, Arizona, Arizona State, Memphis, Arkansas, Maryland, Seton Hall, Missouri, Cincinnati, Butler, Marquette, Washington, Wake Forest, and TCU to reach out to the now-former Runnin’ Rebel.
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TIPTON EDITS
Basketball
@TiptonEdits
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Ohio State transfer DJ Carton has heard from:
Alabama
Minnesota
Illinois
USC
Seton Hall
Arkansas
Oregon
Nebraska
Auburn
Oklahoma
Creighton
DePaul
Georgia Tech
Marquette
Texas
Texas Tech
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Jamarius Burton was injured during the primary high school recruiting process. So he fell through the cracks. He committed late to Wichita State who had some open scholarships. Butler was involved as well. I believe he is a prototype Big East guard and would be a great pick up for Marquette.
https://247sports.com/college/basketball/recruiting/Article/Jamarius-Burton-Wichita-State-transfer-Xavier-Musketeers-West-Virginia-Mountaineers-NC-State-Seton-Hall-Arizona-Wildcats-145223043/
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LaSalle transfer Ed Coswell to Providence. They are turning into transfer U(like Iowa St). They have two transfers eligible next year in Jared Bynum and Noah Horchler, now Croswell and Goodine the year after.
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Seems pretty clear that there is some real concern about our roster next year - and rightfully so. Let’s hope we don’t have any transfers out. With all the PT available that should help dissuade transfer.
Hard to fathom this was the forecasted reality/projection for Year 7 in Wojo’s Golden Power Point.
Cooley is in year what? Does he have concerns about his roster with all the transfers he is taking?
Glad we don't have him either I guess.
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LaSalle transfer Ed Coswell to Providence. They are turning into transfer U(like Iowa St). They have two transfers eligible next year in Takai Molson and Noah Horlacher, now Croswell and Goodine the year after.
Molson is with Seton Hall. Think you mean Bynum.
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Molson is with Seton Hall. Think you mean Bynum.
Yes, my bad
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Good size 6'4", high usage, from Detroit, probably knows Cain/Elliott
Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
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Huge news on the transfer front: Bowling Green’s Justin Turner is in the portal, per source. Averaged 18.8 points per game this past season.
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https://www.si.com/college/ohiostate/basketball/d-j-carton-wants-ball-chance-to-impress-nba-scouts
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An immediately eligible DJ carton at PG for next year might be a big enough boost to put this team in the tournament. I really think he’s that good, at such an important position for this team.
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An immediately eligible DJ carton at PG for next year might be a big enough boost to put this team in the tournament. I really think he’s that good, at such an important position for this team.
Agree 100%
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https://www.si.com/college/ohiostate/basketball/d-j-carton-wants-ball-chance-to-impress-nba-scouts
If that’s the case, it doesn’t bode well for Bucky. Need to put the full court press on this kid. It could very well be the difference between having a tournament team and not next year. This is a position of major need.
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LaSalle transfer Ed Coswell to Providence. They are turning into transfer U(like Iowa St). They have two transfers eligible next year in Jared Bynum and Noah Horchler, now Croswell and Goodine the year after.
I thought only bad coaches with mediocre programs went after transfers from schools like LaSalle? (Not saying you said this, guru)
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I thought only bad coaches with mediocre programs went after transfers from schools like LaSalle? (Not saying you said this, guru)
I’d kill for a gig like a Croswell next season
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@jakeweingarten: Pittsburgh and Marquette are the newest programs to reach out to Gardner Webb transfer Nate Johnson, he told @Stockrisers.
Joining long list of suitors. https://twitter.com/jakeweingarten/status/1241028405879021570
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Wojo when that PG averaging 9.8 ppg and 3 assists hits the transfer portal
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@jakeweingarten: Pittsburgh and Marquette are the newest programs to reach out to Gardner Webb transfer Nate Johnson, he told @Stockrisers.
Joining long list of suitors. https://twitter.com/jakeweingarten/status/1241028405879021570
Kid can play...41.1% 3 point shooter
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Wojo when that PG averaging 9.8 ppg and 3 assists hits the transfer portal
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/030/423/cover5.jpg)
So when our point guard scores a lot we don’t want him and need a point guard. When we recruit a point guard that doesn’t score a lot we don’t want him and need someone who can score.
Reasonable.
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Must be nice for these mid-majors kids to get so many offers, chance to play in a major program, some make it, some do not. Sort of like the last 2 MU got. Getting Carton is the only one really worth getting.
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LOVE this...
Jake
@jakeweingarten
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Bowling Green graduate transfer Justin Turner has heard from UConn, Arkansas, Xavier, Gonzaga, Louisville, Mizzou, Alabama, Marquette, Arizona State, Cincinnati, amongst others, he told @Stockrisers
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Averaged 18 points per game on 45% shooting. One of the top-available graduate transfers.
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Wojo always gets his man. He’s an absolute closer. Looking forward to seeing who he can land with ample playing time immediately available.
I’m happy to see that so far none of our players have entered the transfer portal.
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Since Wojo always closes the deal, when will he close the deal on a balanced roster? A big with a face-up from 12’? A pure pt guard that can also..wait for it...play some D and break a press!? Maybe DJ Carton will sign-on. Ironically, Stan Johnson goes to Loyola Marymount, and maybe their 7’3” big comes here. Maybe Karim Mane, even as a probable 1&dun comes on board. Then again, would it matter?...can Wojo coach em up?
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No one ever said that Wojo always gets his man.
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Eye just putt meye name in da transfer portal. Wanna sea how long it takes Woj da offer, hey?
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Eye just putt meye name in da transfer portal. Wanna sea how long it takes Woj da offer, hey?
Now that’s funny, Doc. 100% some b-ball genius tweets that Marquette is “one of the schools you’re hearing from”. LOL
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Wojo always gets his man. He’s an absolute closer. Looking forward to seeing who he can land with ample playing time immediately available.
I’m happy to see that so far none of our players have entered the transfer portal.
1. No one has ever said that
2. No you're not
Posts like this totally undermine any legit argument against wojo. Sad.
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1. No one has ever said that
2. No you're not
Posts like this totally undermine any legit argument against wojo. Sad.
I love our players. 99% of my criticism has been toward Wojo - or Buzz his last year. Derrick Wilson unfortunately got caught in the cross hairs. Derrick aside, I support our players 100%
And yes. It was said: Wojo always gets his man. At least that’s what some fanboys posted early stage Years 1 and 2.
Wojo will undoubtedly fill a few slots this spring. Hopefully they can make an impact. Sounds like we have a lot of factors working in our favor for DJ Carton. Let’s close the deal.
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Wojo when that PG averaging 9.8 ppg and 3 assists hits the transfer portal
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So when our point guard scores a lot we don’t want him and need a point guard. When we recruit a point guard that doesn’t score a lot we don’t want him and need someone who can score.
Reasonable.
Bad take. Try again.
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It was said: Wojo always gets his man.
If you can prove that any Scooper seriously said "Wojo always gets his man," please do.
If you can't, stop effen lying. Better yet, you might want to give yourself a short hiatus before the mods give you Ban No. 6.
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Landers Nolley 11 on ESPN U until 11
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Landers Nolley 11 on ESPN U until 11
Landers Nolley fg% 37 3pt fg% 31.6 =47
Carton fg% 47.7 3pt fg% 40. =60
Nate Johnson fg% 44.4. 3pt fg% 41.1. =62
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Landers Nolley fg% 37 3pt fg% 31.6 =47
Carton fg% 47.7 3pt fg% 40. =60
Nate Johnson fg% 44.4. 3pt fg% 41.1. =62
Justin Turner. fg% 42.7. 3pt fg% 36.1 =54
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I love our players. 99% of my criticism has been toward Wojo - or Buzz his last year. Derrick Wilson unfortunately got caught in the cross hairs. Derrick aside, I support our players 100%
And yes. It was said: Wojo always gets his man. At least that’s what some fanboys posted early stage Years 1 and 2.
Wojo will undoubtedly fill a few slots this spring. Hopefully they can make an impact. Sounds like we have a lot of factors working in our favor for DJ Carton. Let’s close the deal.
So now, twice in this thread, you have made claims that you apparently cannot back up with facts.
The first was that you publicly called for Wojo to be fired during and/or after the 2015-16 season. Should be easy enough for you to "show your work," as we used to say in 3rd-grade math.
The second was that some Scoopers said, "Wojo always gets his man." I'd like to see evidence that even one Scooper (other than joyless willie, in his failed attempts to be hilarious) ever said it.
Sigh. Not sure why, Ners, but I guess you feel it's necessary to fill the void left by hoopaloop.
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Jon Rothstein
Ryan Murphy tells me that Santa Clara is now showing interest. DePaul, Grand Canyon, Marquette, Toledo, Tulane, and Drexel also in the mix.
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I do seem to recall there being one thread shortly after the Henry Ellenson commitment where people were praising Wojo's recruiting ability (as they should have at that point). If I remember correctly, someone asked if Wojo had failed to land any of his main targets so far. I remember answering and pointing out that Brevin Prtizl had been targeted by Wojo before going to Wisconsin and I think a couple of others. I don't know if anyone used the phrase "Wojo always gets his man" but if they did, I can't imagine it was meant literally, nor could I imagine anyone taking it literally. The only one who has used it repeatedly is Willie Warrior and you don't need teal to understand what he means by it.
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If you can prove that any Scooper seriously said "Wojo always gets his man," please do.
If you can't, stop effen lying. Better yet, you might want to give yourself a short hiatus before the mods give you Ban No. 6.
So now, twice in this thread, you have made claims that you apparently cannot back up with facts.
The first was that you publicly called for Wojo to be fired during and/or after the 2015-16 season. Should be easy enough for you to "show your work," as we used to say in 3rd-grade math.
The second was that some Scoopers said, "Wojo always gets his man." I'd like to see evidence that even one Scooper (other than joyless willie, in his failed attempts to be hilarious) ever said it.
Sigh. Not sure why, Ners, but I guess you feel it's necessary to fill the void left by hoopaloop.
Are you coming unhinged with social distancing? Calm down. I don't need to prove jack to you. Any long time scooper with a shred of honesty and truthfulness knows I wanted Wojo gone..early...I probably even posted that in Year 1 at some point with his mind-numbingly bad decision-making.
And yes, it was ridiculously stated here that "Wojo always get his man." It was a dumb comment at that time. Just like those offered up by you and the other ProJos likening early stage Wojo to Jay Wright, Coach K, Al, etc.
You were wrong. I was right. Own it. Get over it. Move on. Put me on ignore. And go take a walk outside.
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Are you coming unhinged with social distancing? Calm down. I don't need to prove jack to you. Any long time scooper with a shred of honesty and truthfulness knows I wanted Wojo gone..early...I probably even posted that in Year 1 at some point with his mind-numbingly bad decision-making.
And yes, it was ridiculously stated here that "Wojo always get his man." It was a dumb comment at that time. Just like those offered up by you and the other ProJos likening early stage Wojo to Jay Wright, Coach K, Al, etc.
You were wrong. I was right. Own it. Get over it. Move on. Put me on ignore. And go take a walk outside.
So instead of actually providing the evidence that somewhere here has said that, which could easily be done with the search function, you've decided to call someone unhinged....by acting unhinged.
Good stuff Ners!!!
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I wonder if Wojo/Stan ever contacted grad transfer PG Tahj East from Santa Clara. just committed to USC
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Are you coming unhinged with social distancing? Calm down. I don't need to prove jack to you. Any long time scooper with a shred of honesty and truthfulness knows I wanted Wojo gone..early...I probably even posted that in Year 1 at some point with his mind-numbingly bad decision-making.
And yes, it was ridiculously stated here that "Wojo always get his man." It was a dumb comment at that time. Just like those offered up by you and the other ProJos likening early stage Wojo to Jay Wright, Coach K, Al, etc.
You were wrong. I was right. Own it. Get over it. Move on. Put me on ignore. And go take a walk outside.
The "Wojo always gets his guy" meme started here: https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=46656.0
First, it wasn't a statement, it was a question. It was disproved in that thread (Jimmy Whitt & Brevin Pritzl both mentioned) but he did have a high success rate that first year. Heldt, Ellenson, Cheatham, Sacar, and then Carter (after MU had been shut out of Philly under Buzz).
And your entire basis for going after Wojo early was your Derrick Wilson hatred. You're better off moving away from the John Dawson defense, I mean the guy was a below average Big South player. There are far more valid criticisms of Wojo than your 6 year old PT gripe.
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So instead of actually providing the evidence that somewhere here has said that, which could easily be done with the search function, you've decided to call someone unhinged....by acting unhinged.
Good stuff Ners!!!
Ahh Fluffy - You are a piece. I chose to let your unrelenting a$$hole comment slide. You calling anyone an "a$$hole" is the height of ironic. Also a little unhinged.
Perhaps I will spend some time with the search tool. I'll compile a greatest "misses" list for you and 82. Then again, you guys do a good enough job embarrassing yourselves with your overwhelmingly wrong analysis. No need to rub salt in that wound.
Let's get back on topic. What do we think the chances are for landing DJ Carton?
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The "Wojo always gets his guy" meme started here: https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=46656.0
First, it wasn't a statement, it was a question. It was disproved in that thread (Jimmy Whitt & Brevin Pritzl both mentioned) but he did have a high success rate that first year. Heldt, Ellenson, Cheatham, Sacar, and then Carter (after MU had been shut out of Philly under Buzz).
And your entire basis for going after Wojo early was your Derrick Wilson hatred. You're better off moving away from the John Dawson defense, I mean the guy was a below average Big South player. There are far more valid criticisms of Wojo than your 6 year old PT gripe.
Ahh...multiple grips beyond Derrick/Dawson:
- Cohen starting over Burton
- Burton only gettin 16 minutes a game
- JJJ getting yanked around
- Trying to shove Haanif Cheatham into a PG slot with a pure PG Traci on the roster.
- JJJ only getting 55% of avail minutes as a junior
- Frequent starting lineup changes Year 2.
- No defined roles/rotations
Look. I'm not surprised it has played out as it has. It was evident early on. Truly wish it was different. But its not. Appreciate you and Fluffy at least moving to the position that he's underachieved and isn't the answer.
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The "Wojo always gets his guy" meme started here: https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=46656.0
First, it wasn't a statement, it was a question. It was disproved in that thread (Jimmy Whitt & Brevin Pritzl both mentioned) but he did have a high success rate that first year. Heldt, Ellenson, Cheatham, Sacar, and then Carter (after MU had been shut out of Philly under Buzz).
And your entire basis for going after Wojo early was your Derrick Wilson hatred. You're better off moving away from the John Dawson defense, I mean the guy was a below average Big South player. There are far more valid criticisms of Wojo than your 6 year old PT gripe.
By the way..thanks for linking the thread. This was also the common narrative that was pushed:
From day one we have heard that Wojo blew people away with his interview and in particular his plan and vision for the program. He continues to do so in every phase of running the program. He sells the vision to the kids and they are buying it, and should be. I can't wait to see where this program heads with Wojo's kids in it.
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Ahh Fluffy - You are a piece. I chose to let your unrelenting a$$hole comment slide. You calling anyone an "a$$hole" is the height of ironic. Also a little unhinged.
Perhaps I will spend some time with the search tool. I'll compile a greatest "misses" list for you and 82. Then again, you guys do a good enough job embarrassing yourselves with your overwhelmingly wrong analysis. No need to rub salt in that wound.
Let's get back on topic. What do we think the chances are for landing DJ Carton?
I haven't paid too much attention frankly. I hope we get him but every day brings more craziness that I have to deal with.
And I would LOVE for you to put a list together of my "misses." It's probably quite funny in retrospect and would give me a good chuckle!
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Just another potentially useful thread full of mindless off-topic arguing between 3-4 posters. What a garbage website that has become
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Ahh...multiple grips beyond Derrick/Dawson:
- Cohen starting over Burton
- Burton only gettin 16 minutes a game
- JJJ getting yanked around
- Trying to shove Haanif Cheatham into a PG slot with a pure PG Traci on the roster.
- JJJ only getting 55% of avail minutes as a junior
- Frequent starting lineup changes Year 2.
- No defined roles/rotations
Look. I'm not surprised it has played out as it has. It was evident early on. Truly wish it was different. But its not. Appreciate you and Fluffy at least moving to the position that he's underachieved and isn't the answer.
I am setting the over/under at Sunday for the 6th (?) banning.
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Just another potentially useful thread full of mindless off-topic arguing between 3-4 posters. What a garbage website that has become
And yet it's still better than Dodd's flipping out at anybody who disagrees or corrects him then mentioning his uncle or that one Majerus meeting 20x per thread.
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Are you coming unhinged with social distancing? Calm down. I don't need to prove jack to you. Any long time scooper with a shred of honesty and truthfulness knows I wanted Wojo gone..early...I probably even posted that in Year 1 at some point with his mind-numbingly bad decision-making.
And yes, it was ridiculously stated here that "Wojo always get his man." It was a dumb comment at that time. Just like those offered up by you and the other ProJos likening early stage Wojo to Jay Wright, Coach K, Al, etc.
You were wrong. I was right. Own it. Get over it. Move on. Put me on ignore. And go take a walk outside.
Kettle calling pot unhinged. And still no evidence, hoopaloop jr. Have a lovely day.
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Kettle calling pot unhinged. And still no evidence, hoopaloop jr. Have a lovely day.
I like the guy who has been banned multiple times calling others unhinged
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I like the guy who has been banned multiple times calling others unhinged
Who's unhinged? You're unhinged! I'm not unhinged! If you think I'm unhinged, go hinge your hinges, dammit!
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MU82 if he is an idiot what a you for using page after page for arguing with him. U dont realize it but u are every bit as bad.
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And yet it's still better than Dodd's flipping out at anybody who disagrees or corrects him then mentioning his uncle or that one Majerus meeting 20x per thread.
While lecturing someone the other day, his point of superiority is that he is a coaches son....LOL
I’ll take Elon any day over that.
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The "Wojo always gets his guy" meme started here: https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=46656.0
First, it wasn't a statement, it was a question. It was disproved in that thread (Jimmy Whitt & Brevin Pritzl both mentioned) but he did have a high success rate that first year. Heldt, Ellenson, Cheatham, Sacar, and then Carter (after MU had been shut out of Philly under Buzz).
And your entire basis for going after Wojo early was your Derrick Wilson hatred. You're better off moving away from the John Dawson defense, I mean the guy was a below average Big South player. There are far more valid criticisms of Wojo than your 6 year old PT gripe.
BUT HE MADE THE G LEAGUE!
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MU82 if he is an idiot what a you for using page after page for arguing with him. U dont realize it but u are every bit as bad.
I didn't say he was an idiot. I don't call people names. This isn't 4th grade.
Gd self-awareness by u tho.
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I didn't say he was an idiot. I don't call people names. This isn't 4th grade.
Gd self-awareness by u tho.
Actually made me laugh. How many times has he gone to insult people while looking like he's texting from a flip phone in 2006?
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I didn't say he was an idiot. I don't call people names. This isn't 4th grade.
Gd self-awareness by u tho.
No u didnt use the word, but over dozens n dozens of pages u become the bigger one. STFU!!
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Do you think we could (especially in the off-season) have a board, similar to the SOTG tally, keeping track of the bans? It's confusing, with people being banned under different names - who keeps that all straight?
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Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
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26s
Illinois sophomore Alan Griffin announces he will transfer. Averaged 8.9 points and 4.5 rebounds this past season.
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No u didnt use the word, but over dozens n dozens of pages u become the bigger one. STFU!!
Perfect.
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Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
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26s
Illinois sophomore Alan Griffin announces he will transfer. Averaged 8.9 points and 4.5 rebounds this past season.
Hes a really quality player
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Ahh...multiple grips beyond Derrick/Dawson:
- Cohen starting over Burton
- Burton only gettin 16 minutes a game
- JJJ getting yanked around
- Trying to shove Haanif Cheatham into a PG slot with a pure PG Traci on the roster.
- JJJ only getting 55% of avail minutes as a junior
- Frequent starting lineup changes Year 2.
- No defined roles/rotations
Look. I'm not surprised it has played out as it has. It was evident early on. Truly wish it was different. But its not. Appreciate you and Fluffy at least moving to the position that he's underachieved and isn't the answer.
Honest questions. None of the grips are related to offensive/defensive schemes and are 100% player utilization.
1. Wojo, who has played at highest levels and coached at the highest levels, wants to win why can't he see what you can easily pick up on?
2. Is it possible that Burton was checked out before Wojo got there? That he didn't really want to be at Marquette/Milwaukee. If so is it possible that he was showing disinterest in practice, wasn't participating, acting out, etc.? If that at all could be possible would you still start him? Would you play him max minutes? Every story written about the situation is that Burton wanted out of Milwaukee so if the above it true and he is acting out do you focus your team around him?
3. One of the big gripes on Wojo is his inability to make adjustments. Do you think frequent changes to the line up is him trying to figure out what will work? Making adjustments? During those first two years, the team was really young. Do you think he may have been trying to figure out who could be the leaders and the best team? If not, why would someone with his background and livelihood on the line not do that?
4. Your talent evaluation for max minutes has included Reggie Smith, Traci Carter, John Dawson, and Jamal Cain. Why is it that all of those players never got what they deserved under a new coach (less Cain)? Reggie Smith transferred to UNLV and then to Eastern Illinois. Carter transferred twice. Dawson under Buzz got no love and sat behind Derrick. Dawson dropped to a lower level to only be mediocre in the 29 out of 32 rated league and finished 13-19 and 21-14. No other coaches seemed to give those guys breaks either. Why would that be the case?
5. Cheatham went on to play a partial season at FGCU and then onto Nebraska playing in one of the better leagues. He had better better stats than Carter did in all seasons. Why was Cheatham able to player in a higher league while Carter transferred down again?
6. Is it your belief that the G-League is where the best talent plays? Or is it that they have a layer of fringe NBA, a layer decent but not great players, and then rosters fillers with the better players playing overseas when they realize they aren't in the fringe? Players like DJO, Buycks, and Blue all play overseas. Could it be that is because they can make better money and Dawson is a roster filler in the G-League? He currently averages 3.4pts.
I think there can be lot of things to discuss on Wojo.
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Hes a really quality player
Indeed...from NY...wonder if Killings knows anyone connected to him.
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https://twitter.com/andrew__slater/status/1242632576541560832?s=21
Just tonight for
sophomore Alan Griffin... 👀
Maryland
Pitt
DePaul
Manhattan
Nebraska
Marquette
Siena
Georgia
Dayton
Monmouth
Fordham
St. Louis
Duke
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Andrew Slater
@Andrew__Slater
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Just tonight for
sophomore Alan Griffin... Eyes
Maryland
Pitt
DePaul
Manhattan
Nebraska
Marquette
Siena
Georgia
Dayton
Monmouth
Fordham
St. Louis
Duke
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Landers Nolley fg% 37 3pt fg% 31.6 =47
Carton fg% 47.7 3pt fg% 40. =60
Nate Johnson fg% 44.4. 3pt fg% 41.1. =62
Justin Turner. fg% 42.7. 3pt fg% 36.1 =54
Alan Griffin. fg% 48.3. 3pt fg% 41.6. =63
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Patrick Tape to Duke. That is fascinating to me. Thought he could play a role for a high major somewhere but not at Duke. I'm not sure if he's in the top 15 available grad transfers at the moment. Could be a matter of position scarcity. While I wouldn't put him in the top 15 grad transfers, he is in the top 3 or 4 grad transfers who are 6'8" or taller.
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While lecturing someone the other day, his point of superiority is that he is a coaches son....LOL
I’ll take Elon any day over that.
Dodd’s is tough to take. Not a fan.
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https://twitter.com/coreyevans_10/status/1242569080416190467
Corey Evans
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James Madison transfer Darius Banks has heard from a list of schools including Butler, Charlotte, Colorado State, ETSU, FAU, Georgia, Liberty, Marquette, Northwestern, Oregon State, UNF, USF, and UTSA, he tells
@RivalsPortal
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Averaged 12.2 points & 4.9 rebounds last season
A little lower hanging fruit than I would hope for but we aren't the only high major kicking the tires. As far as I know he is a sit one, play one. If he did graduate in three years, his value goes up a bit.
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Do you think we could (especially in the off-season) have a board, similar to the SOTG tally, keeping track of the bans? It's confusing, with people being banned under different names - who keeps that all straight?
We've only had 3 bans (of non-spammers) in the past 30 days. 2 of those bans are expired and folks are back to posting.
As to transfers, I admittedly haven't been keeping up. But hope we can grab a Center that could play right away / back Theo up. If that doesn't work out, a flyer to some low ranked HS dude will probably be the backup plan.
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Interesting history on the portal and what it is.
http://www.ncaa.org/static/champion/what-the-ncaa-transfer-portal-is/
When Marquette was getting listed with all these transfers it made me wonder if Marquette was really reaching out to all of them, if athleteS could contact schools they were interested in, and what “heard from” really means.
We can’t really tell what “heard from” means because the system isn’t public but athletes can put in contact information and let them see where there is interest. This would give Marquette the ability to reach out direct and gauge interest from the athlete. I think most of us would believe this is what heard from means.
However; the athlete can also reach out to the schools they are interested in. If MU is selected then they can respond with their own level of interest. In this scenario, “heard from” just means the school responded to the athlete with their level of interest which could be none. In this scenario, the athlete specifies a do not contact except for the schools they are interested in.
From the few stories that are out there it appears the transfer portal has simplified the process so that coaches can broaden their outreach because the work is less manual. Heard from could be anything from MU clicked a button to confirm/deny interest to emails/phone calls.
With basketball, I think a lot of “heard froms” are intended to make the athlete appear high in demand so they will list anyone who responded. I would also not be surprised if the athlete just provides the list of schools they are interested in.
It is interesting how the recruiting experts phrase their posts too. In some, like Banks, they state heard from. In others it is just a list of potential schools. In others like Griffin they state eyes. In others it is receiving interest from.
All this to say is Wojo and team could be turning over every rock, wading through BS athlete interest, or somewhere in the middle.
It would be interesting to hear if someone has been through the process and can shed light on how hard it is to hear back from a school. I could easily see a staffer printing out the list of recruits in the portal, Wojo highlighting the ones he wants to engage with and the staffer responding to everyone not highlighted with a form rejection letter.
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Indeed...from NY...wonder if Killings knows anyone connected to him.
hes from Chicago I’m pretty sure
*his brother Adrian Griffin is a 5 star C/O 2021 forward who goes to high school with RJ Davis
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Just one day of being in the portal, Santa Clara transfer Trey Wertz tells @Stockrisers he’s heard from 20+ programs. He talks his recruitment plus he landed scholarship offer from Arizona’s Sean Miller. Marquette is the newest program involved.
6-4 G, sophomore that averaged nearly 12 ppg and 4 apg, 40% 3fg (50-125) but a TO% north of 20.
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@GoodmanHoops: Huge entry to the transfer portal:
Radford’s Carlik Jones is in the portal, source told @Stadium.
20.0 ppg
5.5 apg
5.1 rpg
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@GoodmanHoops: Huge entry to the transfer portal:
Radford’s Carlik Jones is in the portal, source told @Stadium.
20.0 ppg
5.5 apg
5.1 rpg
Was just going to post this. I assume we will be contacting him shortly. Big South POY.
Yes I know the Big South is one of the weakest conferences but he played well in their 3 games against Kenpom "Tier A" competition.
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Jeff Borzello
Verified account @jeffborzello
Radford grad transfer Carlik Jones has already heard from more than 15 schools, sources told ESPN, including:
Louisville
UConn
Memphis
Maryland
Marquette
Ole Miss
Ohio State
Cincinnati
Virginia Tech
DePaul
West Virginia
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It would be interesting to hear if someone has been through the process and can shed light on how hard it is to hear back from a school. I could easily see a staffer printing out the list of recruits in the portal, Wojo highlighting the ones he wants to engage with and the staffer responding to everyone not highlighted with a form rejection letter.
Every day an assistant looks at the portal, they look up stats, then the staff texts the individuals they like to gauge interest and get transcripts . There is no “sorry, we have chosen not to pursue” letter. Why would a coach do that? It sounds ridiculous. Some kids may reach out but that’s rare. More often than not the staff doesn’t respond to someone they have no interest in, or just tells them they aren’t interested, don’t have room, etc.
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There seems to be a strong, deep group of guards transferring this year. I'm not sure how this year compares to past years, but it feels like a better year than most.
Hopefully Wojo can land two; one grad and one traditional.
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Evan flood hearing MU as favorites for DJ Carton
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Evan flood hearing MU as favorites for DJ Carton
Wow. That is shocking to me. Would be a huge get.
Where did you find that?
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Evan flood hearing MU as favorites for DJ Carton
Hot damn.
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Evan flood hearing MU as favorites for DJ Carton
Whoa. Where was this stated?
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Wow. That is shocking to me. Would be a huge get.
Where did you find that?
247 boards - behind paywall.
flood also mentioned that OSU source said there is stuff going on that teams should stay away from off the court. As well as Brian Snow that a lot of teams are stopping pursuit of DJ as there is some stuff behind the scenes that will be coming out
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247 boards - behind paywall.
flood also mentioned that OSU source said there is stuff going on that teams should stay away from off the court. As well as Brian Snow that a lot of teams are stopping pursuit of DJ as there is some stuff behind the scenes that will be coming out
That makes me feel like there is actually something to Carton to MU being a real chance. Badger “insider” hears a game changer that the Badgers wanted might go to MU. Get word out there that teams should stay away from the kid ASAP.
Gard didn’t want him/dodged a bullet.
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247 boards - behind paywall.
flood also mentioned that OSU source said there is stuff going on that teams should stay away from off the court. As well as Brian Snow that a lot of teams are stopping pursuit of DJ as there is some stuff behind the scenes that will be coming out
Brian Snow: "I'll put it this way, Xavier is not going to even try to recruit DJ Carton, nor will a lot of schools that reached out. He is going to have a very limited market of suitors, and Xavier will not be one of them."
..."There is A LOT of research for all schools to do with DJ, and how he fits in."
..."not one that needs more out in the public. I will let you guys connect any dots you would like"
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That makes me feel like there is actually something to Carton to MU being a real chance. Badger “insider” hears a game changer that the Badgers wanted might go to MU. Get word out there that teams should stay away from the kid ASAP.
Gard didn’t want him/dodged a bullet.
i think you are being a bit naive
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i think you are being a bit naive
I don’t. “I have information that there are some real issues around this kid. The kid is going through enough so I won’t bring it up though.”
Oh, okay. That’ll really help. Let everyone know that nobody wants the kid because of issues he has but then play the good guy and let everyone know they’ll need to find those issues out from a different source.
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I don’t. “I have information that there are some real issues around this kid. The kid is going through enough so I won’t bring it up though.”
Oh, okay. That’ll really help. Let everyone know that nobody wants the kid because of issues he has but then play the good guy and let everyone know they’ll need to find those issues out from a different source.
Don't shoot the messenger. I am sure Badger fans want DJ just as bad as Marquette fans do.
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Don't shoot the messenger. I am sure Badger fans want DJ just as bad as Marquette fans do.
Whatever the Markus Howard problems he had, he must be doing better. I am sure MU can sell the kid on the help Markus got. If MU can get either Mane or Carton,
maybe the Wojo haters will stop for awhile as this would be an impressive group of recruits, then the haters can start up again that he can not coach.
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That makes me feel like there is actually something to Carton to MU being a real chance. Badger “insider” hears a game changer that the Badgers wanted might go to MU. Get word out there that teams should stay away from the kid ASAP.
Gard didn’t want him/dodged a bullet.
Funny, thats exactly what I thought - if there's one thing we've seen over the past however many years of Wisconsin vs. MU recruiting, there ALWAYS needs to be an excuse as to why Wisconsin isnt the favorite/choice of an athlete.
On Carton: I've said it earlier in this thread and I'll say it again, Carton would be probably the best possible target for our team and would completely transform our outlook. He's that good
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Brian Snow: "I'll put it this way, Xavier is not going to even try to recruit DJ Carton, nor will a lot of schools that reached out. He is going to have a very limited market of suitors, and Xavier will not be one of them."
..."There is A LOT of research for all schools to do with DJ, and how he fits in."
..."not one that needs more out in the public. I will let you guys connect any dots you would like"
It says a lot if Xavier backs out...I’d be leery
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Wojo has a pretty good record of getting high character kids here. I’ll trust his judgment over the “insiders” of schools a kid decided not to go to.
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Carton has noted mental health issues, that's all.
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Wojo has a pretty good record of getting high character kids here. I’ll trust his judgment over the “insiders” of schools a kid decided not to go to.
I agree with this which makes this speculation about Carton’s “issues” all the more interesting. If they were related to any sort of trouble he got into Wojo would not be pursuing
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Carton has noted mental health issues, that's all.
I do think this *widely known* issue is what these "insiders" are speaking of. Especially when considering Brian Snow's comment: "not one that needs more out in the public. I will let you guys connect any dots you would like."
Of course mental health is a huge issue, and one that should not be brushed aside lightly. But some of these guys' comments make it sound like hes a felon or something, and are doing a disservice to the kid. As has been mentioned here before, I think Markus' documented struggle and outspoken attitude with regard to mental health while with our program could be a factor that would play well with someone like Carton.
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Brian Snow: "I'll put it this way, Xavier is not going to even try to recruit DJ Carton, nor will a lot of schools that reached out. He is going to have a very limited market of suitors, and Xavier will not be one of them."
..."There is A LOT of research for all schools to do with DJ, and how he fits in."
..."not one that needs more out in the public. I will let you guys connect any dots you would like"
Sounds like our odds of landing going up quite a bit. Good news. Nothing wrong with giving a kid a chance. MU has a great support system in place for athletes, and the team has been made up of strong character kids under Wojo.
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Brian Snow: "I'll put it this way, Xavier is not going to even try to recruit DJ Carton, nor will a lot of schools that reached out. He is going to have a very limited market of suitors, and Xavier will not be one of them."
..."There is A LOT of research for all schools to do with DJ, and how he fits in."
..."not one that needs more out in the public. I will let you guys connect any dots you would like"
See this is just bullsh*t. If it "needs more out in the public," then put it out there.
Otherwise STFU. If he has a limited number of suitors, and you aren't willing to say why in a public manner, why say anything at all? You have now put him in a place where he is being blackballed in such a way that he can't really defend himself unless he wants to make private information public.
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We've only had 3 bans (of non-spammers) in the past 30 days. 2 of those bans are expired and folks are back to posting.
As to transfers, I admittedly haven't been keeping up. But hope we can grab a Center that could play right away / back Theo up. If that doesn't work out, a flyer to some low ranked HS dude will probably be the backup plan.
Agree Hope we can grab a center to protect the rim and rebound like Jayce and rebound like Ed. Hope we can grab someone to score, shoot a high percentage from 3, and create their own shot like our top two scorers Markus and Sacar. We Are Marquette!
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See this is just bullsh*t. If it "needs more out in the public," then put it out there.
Otherwise STFU. If he has a limited number of suitors, and you aren't willing to say why in a public manner, why say anything at all? You have now put him in a place where he is being blackballed in such a way that he can't really defend himself unless he wants to make private information public.
Agree 100%, irresponsible "journalism"
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Give me carton warts and all. The kid can play.
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Give me carton warts and all. The kid can play.
Yeah im on board too, we need some talent.
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Agree Hope we can grab a center to protect the rim and rebound like Jayce and rebound like Ed. Hope we can grab someone to score, shoot a high percentage from 3, and create their own shot like our top two scorers Markus and Sacar. We Are Marquette!
If they do not, I can see Garcia playing the 5, at least 20 minutes as I do not see Theo improving that much, he is what he is by now, mechanical, stiff center who can
block a few shots once in awhile. Probably see Oso or Lewis playing a lot of 4. Not sure how big Lewis is but he might be guarding the center as well. Oso seems to
skinny right now, maybe by his junior year it will be different. Like to see a more wide open O, once Theo is out of the game. Play 5 out, much like Villy.
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I wish we knew which transfers MU has actually offered as opposed to just reaching out too. That's what would tell us who they are really interested in.
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Yeah im on board too, we need some talent.
No. No more Vander or Todd Mayo types. Character matters as much as talent.
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No. No more Vander or Todd Mayo types. Character matters as much as talent.
What was wrong with Vander?
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What was wrong with Vander?
All I can remember for certain is him punching the heckler at Qdoba I think. Was he rumored to be part of another scandal? Vander is one of the more underrated Golden Eagles when it comes to talent over the last 20 years.
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No. No more Vander or Todd Mayo types. Character matters as much as talent.
Yeah, I would hate to have a talent like Vander Blue on this team. Imagine going to the Elite 8? Sounds miserable.
In fact, I wholeheartedly agree that we definitely don't want any more players with mental health issues! Those guys are the worst!! Remember that Markus Howard guy? Man he sucked - No sir, I do not want any more of his type at this program.
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All I can remember for certain is him punching the heckler at Qdoba I think. Was he rumored to be part of another scandal? Vander is one of the more underrated Golden Eagles when it comes to talent over the last 20 years.
Yeah the only thing I’ve even heard about was he punched someone (don’t know that it was ever confirmed), might’ve been part of the group that got into a brawl at 720 oh wait there was video and they literally did nothing wrong, got ticketed for being in a bar/club underage, and maybe was anxious to get out of school and be a professional basketball player.
Please kick every kid out of Marquette that ever got into a drunken fight, was in a bar before they turned 21, and would rather have been somewhere besides in class. You’ll be left with an awesome college atmosphere.
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No. No more Vander or Todd Mayo types. Character matters as much as talent.
Lol at including Vander. And lol at insinuating Carton has any issues other than some mental health concerns that much of the population deals with.
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No. No more Vander or Todd Mayo types. Character matters as much as talent.
Character doesn't win ball games...talent does.
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Carton has noted mental health issues, that's all.
Ohhhh, Wojo is now going against his own "Code" now. My....... how things change when smell of fear and desperation permeate the air.
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Ohhhh, Wojo is now going against his own "Code" now. My....... how things change when smell of fear and desperation permeate the air.
What code?
You're a clownshow
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Ohhhh, Wojo is now going against his own "Code" now. My....... how things change when smell of fear and desperation permeate the air.
Isn't there a cloud you should be yelling at?
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Character doesn't win ball games...talent does.
Well no kidding. But it’s completely understandable why people don’t want bad characters on their basketball team.
That being said, Vander wasn’t one and Mayo was more of a dumbass than a bad character.
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What code?
You're a clownshow
I was not in attendance at any game vs. Providence, @ DePaul, @ St. Johns, or @ Butler
My first question to DJ Carton would be: When we're up by 3 and the opponent is bringing up the ball with less than 15 seconds, left, what do you do?
And..
My follow up question would be...... are you any good at keeping track of the score in your head?
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I'm sorry buddy, but as others have stated here you really need to leave this site.
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So now, twice in this thread, you have made claims that you apparently cannot back up with facts.
The first was that you publicly called for Wojo to be fired during and/or after the 2015-16 season. Should be easy enough for you to "show your work," as we used to say in 3rd-grade math.
The second was that some Scoopers said, "Wojo always gets his man." I'd like to see evidence that even one Scooper (other than joyless willie, in his failed attempts to be hilarious) ever said it.
Sigh. Not sure why, Ners, but I guess you feel it's necessary to fill the void left by hoopaloop.
One of the Mods, in Maoist fashion, deleted a bunch of the Classic NERS threads that I brought back from the dead one Friday night. There was some great stuff by many contributors in those threads.
I will back up Ners and confirm he did call for Wojo's ouster in 2015-16.
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I'm sure one of my rants about how Wojo should be let go is in there as well.
Curious, why would a MOD delete such things? Seems so..... insecure.
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One of the Mods, in Maoist fashion, deleted a bunch of the Classic NERS threads that I brought back from the dead one Friday night. There was some great stuff by many contributors in those threads.
I will back up Ners and confirm he did call for Wojo's ouster in 2015-16.
Sorry, MUFINY, but your voucher isn't good in this establishment.
I did, however, get a kick out of your research report on Ners.
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Markus was "said" to have mental health issues.....
I believe in another post he received "counseling" thru MU at some point.....
Smaller school......Just the kind of "non-big 10 type" program that would be a perfect fit and probably benefit the young man.....
My opinion......
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Markus was "said" to have mental health issues.....
I believe in another post he received "counseling" thru MU at some point.....
Smaller school......Just the kind of "non-big 10 type" program that would be a perfect fit and probably benefit the young man.....
My opinion......
Why the quotes?
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Markus was "said" to have mental health issues.....
I believe in another post he received "counseling" thru MU at some point.....
Smaller school......Just the kind of "non-big 10 type" program that would be a perfect fit and probably benefit the young man.....
My opinion......
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This is a very odd thread.
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What was wrong with Vander?
He helped win a lot of games for Marquette when Buzz Williams was the coach. That’s a felony to some around here.
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He helped win a lot of games for Marquette when Buzz Williams was the coach. That’s a felony to some around here.
Not true. After getting saved/plucked from the rodents, he wasn’t as good as “his fans” wanted him to be so he got blamed for every off court issue, bad attitude, missed slap of five, etc. once he led the team to the elite eight people started to like him again only to be broken hearted when he left early.
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Not true. After getting saved/plucked from the rodents, he wasn’t as good as “his fans” wanted him to be so he got blamed for every off court issue, bad attitude, missed slap of five, etc. once he led the team to the elite eight people started to like him again only to be broken hearted when he left early.
All he was missing was a consistent shot. Otherwise was NBA ready.
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Not true. After getting saved/plucked from the rodents, he wasn’t as good as “his fans” wanted him to be so he got blamed for every off court issue, bad attitude, missed slap of five, etc. once he led the team to the elite eight people started to like him again only to be broken hearted when he left early.
What you say is true. So is what I said. Different people held different opinions/agendas.
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Ohhhh, Wojo is now going against his own "Code" now. My....... how things change when smell of fear and desperation permeate the air.
You are literally too stupid to insult.
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https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1242838241113526273
Jon Rothstein
@JonRothstein
UNLV grad transfer Jonah Antonio tells me he's receiving interest from the following programs as well as several others:
Illinois
Marquette
Xavier
Wichita State
Maryland
Georgia
BYU
Immediately eligible.
For as much angst as we have over Wojo talking to Jonah Antonio, he's got a pretty decent list of programs calling him. Apparently he played with an injured shooting hand this past season. I guess coaches are hoping that once he heals that he will be the 3PT specialist that he looked like he could be at Mount St. Mary's. Still not seeing it, would be near the bottom of my transfer wish list.
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Jeff Borzello
Verified account @jeffborzello
Radford grad transfer Carlik Jones has already heard from more than 15 schools, sources told ESPN, including:
Louisville
UConn
Memphis
Maryland
Marquette
Ole Miss
Ohio State
Cincinnati
Virginia Tech
DePaul
West Virginia
Give me Carlik Jones everyday and twice on Sundays.
53.1 eFG%
36.1 ast%
13.5 TO%
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Give me Carlik Jones everyday and twice on Sundays.
53.1 eFG%
36.1 ast%
13.5 TO%
(https://media0.giphy.com/media/mrbV9BiqxZf7G/giphy.gif)
Unfortunately, I think OSU is the team to beat...he's from Ohio. But yes, would love to add Carlik
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The one thing with Jones is his 3PT% was drastically better this year than the previous 2 years. Stepping up in competition could mean a solid decline.
I'd definitely still take him tho
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Unfortunately, I think OSU is the team to beat...he's from Ohio. But yes, would love to add Carlik
Either them or Louisville. Both pretty close to Cincinatti, if staying close to home is a priority.
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this might have been posted already, but figured it was interesting enough to post (from Jon Rothstein yesterday):
"A year ago, 14 mid-major players who averaged in double-figures during the 18-19 season opted to grad transfer to power conferences.
none averaged in double-figures last season"
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https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1242838241113526273
Jon Rothstein
@JonRothstein
UNLV grad transfer Jonah Antonio tells me he's receiving interest from the following programs as well as several others:
Illinois
Marquette
Xavier
Wichita State
Maryland
Georgia
BYU
Immediately eligible.
For as much angst as we have over Wojo talking to Jonah Antonio, he's got a pretty decent list of programs calling him. Apparently he played with an injured shooting hand this past season. I guess coaches are hoping that once he heals that he will be the 3PT specialist that he looked like he could be at Mount St. Mary's. Still not seeing it, would be near the bottom of my transfer wish list.
I agree he’d be towards the bottom of my list as well, but we have at least three open spots. Totally fine with Wojo casting a wide net.
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Markus was "said" to have mental health issues.....
I believe in another post he received "counseling" thru MU at some point.....
Smaller school......Just the kind of "non-big 10 type" program that would be a perfect fit and probably benefit the young man.....
My opinion......
Want to get back on topic, but the person who "said" he used mental health resources was Markus. There's no real secret here.
I certainly do hope the optimism on Carton is real. Even a year away might help him, but I would hope we could get him some immediate eligibility.
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this might have been posted already, but figured it was interesting enough to post (from Jon Rothstein yesterday):
"A year ago, 14 mid-major players who averaged in double-figures during the 18-19 season opted to grad transfer to power conferences.
none averaged in double-figures last season"
Ohhhhhhhhhhh....... but once they get into Wojo's "Elite Offensive System" they'll be sniffing 20 a game.
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this might have been posted already, but figured it was interesting enough to post (from Jon Rothstein yesterday):
"A year ago, 14 mid-major players who averaged in double-figures during the 18-19 season opted to grad transfer to power conferences.
none averaged in double-figures last season"
That's not even true. Unless Luwane Pipkins going from UMass in the A-10 to Providence in the Big East and averaging double figures at both is somehow not mid to high major. He's talking out of his ass, like usual.
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That's not even true. Unless Luwane Pipkins going from UMass in the A-10 to Providence in the Big East and averaging double figures at both is somehow not mid to high major. He's talking out of his ass, like usual.
Also, SMU transfer Jimmy Whitt averaged 14 ppg at Arkansas (is SMU a high major?).
Beyond that, who cares? It's a completely dumb and arbitrary measure of the players' decision. Most grad transfers aren't moving up because they want to/expect to be a main guy at a bigger program. They're just looking for an opportunity to compete at a higher level and play in important games ... even if that means fewer shots.
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Also, SMU transfer Jimmy Whitt averaged 14 ppg at Arkansas (is SMU a high major?).
Beyond that, who cares? It's a completely dumb and arbitrary measure of the players' decision. Most grad transfers aren't moving up because they want to/expect to be a main guy at a bigger program. They're just looking for an opportunity to compete at a higher level and play in important games ... even if that means fewer shots.
Rothstein hates transfers, so he's trying to somehow make a point I think. It's weak
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Listened to Goodman's podcast yesterday with Bowling Green transfer Justin Turner. Mentioned MU as one of the schools that's making him a priority. He most certainly knows Jamal and Greg I'd bet.
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That's not even true. Unless Luwane Pipkins going from UMass in the A-10 to Providence in the Big East and averaging double figures at both is somehow not mid to high major. He's talking out of his ass, like usual.
Rowsey?
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I'm so happy MU's basketball program's success hinges upon grad transfers. This is a well built program. :(
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I'm so happy MU's basketball program's success hinges upon grad transfers. This is a well built program. :(
Said nobody ever.
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UNC-Charlotte is losing 4 transfers. Although several were key contributors to UNCC, none is expected to move up to a P6 conference team.
The coach, Ron Sanchez, just completed his second season. The team actually outperformed expectations this past year, going 16-13. In an interview with the Charlotte Observer, he discussed his frustrations.
"Obviously, some of the things we've been doing were good, things that hadn't been there before as a program. If that's not enough, if guys can't get excited about taking that next step with us, then I don't know what to tell them."
He said the abrupt end to the season "just produced another layer of a lack of communication from a generation that doesn't communicate well enough with coaches in the first place. They go home where their support system is, where they have people saying they understand. Then they make their decisions. ... Young people today have a lot of noise in their ears."
Besides the fact that older people have been complaining about "young people today" since before our grandparents' grandparents' grandparents' grandparents were young people, coaches have been complaining about "noise in their ears" influencing athletes since the beginning of college athletics.
I'm not sure taking shots at an entire generation of athletes will endear them to Sanchez, who is only 45 himself.
Then again, as Sanchez correctly said, "It's a trend. You know it's happening everywhere."
The previous 3 years averaged about 700 transfers. This year, Wichita State, Idaho State and Presbyterian each is losing 6. Iowa State and Holy Cross each is losing 5. Several schools, including UNCC, are losing 4.
Who knew Marquette wasn't the only school to see players transfer?
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Rowsey?
Just talking about this past season.
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UNC-Charlotte is losing 4 transfers. Although several were key contributors to UNCC, none is expected to move up to a P6 conference team.
The coach, Ron Sanchez, just completed his second season. The team actually outperformed expectations this past year, going 16-13. In an interview with the Charlotte Observer, he discussed his frustrations.
"Obviously, some of the things we've been doing were good, things that hadn't been there before as a program. If that's not enough, if guys can't get excited about taking that next step with us, then I don't know what to tell them."
He said the abrupt end to the season "just produced another layer of a lack of communication from a generation that doesn't communicate well enough with coaches in the first place. They go home where their support system is, where they have people saying they understand. Then they make their decisions. ... Young people today have a lot of noise in their ears."
Besides the fact that older people have been complaining about "young people today" since before our grandparents' grandparents' grandparents' grandparents were young people, coaches have been complaining about "noise in their ears" influencing athletes since the beginning of college athletics.
I'm not sure taking shots at an entire generation of athletes will endear them to Sanchez, who is only 45 himself.
Then again, as Sanchez correctly said, "It's a trend. You know it's happening everywhere."
The previous 3 years averaged about 700 transfers. This year, Wichita State, Idaho State and Presbyterian each is losing 6. Iowa State and Holy Cross each is losing 5. Several schools, including UNCC, are losing 4.
Who knew Marquette wasn't the only school to see players transfer?
How the mighty have fallen. 43 years ago they were in the Final Four...
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this might have been posted already, but figured it was interesting enough to post (from Jon Rothstein yesterday):
"A year ago, 14 mid-major players who averaged in double-figures during the 18-19 season opted to grad transfer to power conferences.
none averaged in double-figures last season"
Rothstein is incorrect but his overall point is a good one. Those expecting to find a new star player on the grad transfer market are likely to be disappointed. Honestly, Carlik Jones is the only one that I feel confident could become a top 2 player for a good high major at this point. It is much more likely that MU and other high major are going to find 4th/5th starters, key reserves, or minor role players on the grad transfer market.
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Rothstein is incorrect but his overall point is a good one. Those expecting to find a new star player on the grad transfer market are likely to be disappointed. Honestly, Carlik Jones is the only one that I feel confident could become a top 2 player for a good high major at this point. It is much more likely that MU and other high major are going to find 4th/5th starters, key reserves, or minor role players on the grad transfer market.
Seems like a bit of a straw man argument, though. I don't think many fans of P6 programs - certainly not here - view the grad transfer market as the place to land a star. Instead, it's more of a stopgap meams to plug holes in the roster.
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That's not even true. Unless Luwane Pipkins going from UMass in the A-10 to Providence in the Big East and averaging double figures at both is somehow not mid to high major. He's talking out of his ass, like usual.
UMass is not a mid-major. Just because a conference is not in the P5 does not make teams in it a "mid-major."
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UMass is not a mid-major. Just because a conference is not in the P5 does not make teams in it a "mid-major."
UMass is almost the definition of mid-major.
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UMass is not a mid-major. Just because a conference is not in the P5 does not make teams in it a "mid-major."
Last time they were top 100 on Kenpom was 2014, never broke top 50 on Kenpom, 4 seasons as top 100 on Kenpom. One NCAA appearance this century. They had a nice stretch under Cal in the 90s but have never done jack outside of that. Idk what your definition is but that screams mid major if you ask me.
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How the mighty have fallen. 43 years ago they were in the Final Four...
Charlotte finished ahead of Marquette in CUSA standings more often than not when they were both members.
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UMass is not a mid-major. Just because a conference is not in the P5 does not make teams in it a "mid-major."
Low major?
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UMass is not a mid-major. Just because a conference is not in the P5 does not make teams in it a "mid-major."
Uh oh.....
Billy...what would you say about Gonzaga or Dayton?
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Last time they were top 100 on Kenpom was 2014, never broke top 50 on Kenpom, 4 seasons as top 100 on Kenpom. One NCAA appearance this century. They had a nice stretch under Cal in the 90s but have never done jack outside of that. Idk what your definition is but that screams mid major if you ask me.
Is the term mid major not defined by conference affiliation, rather based upon Kenpom and recent success?
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How the mighty have fallen. 43 years ago they were in the Final Four...
Haha...well done.
Just watched Cornbread Maxwell and co. earlier today as a matter of fact!
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Is the term mid major not defined by conference affiliation, rather based upon Kenpom and recent success?
Depends some people include Gonzaga and the like. Then there's the question of the AAC (or A10 and MWC in the old days when they were good). No matter how you cut it though it seems pretty obvious to me that UMass is a mid major by any measure
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Charlotte finished ahead of Marquette in CUSA standings more often than not when they were both members.
Bring back Bobby Lutz
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What about UConn?
High major
Then mid major...
Then one day in the near future they will be high major again...
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Though I've enjoyed all the UNCC references, my comment wasn't "about" UNCC. It was about transfers.
But sure ... who doesn't love the name Cornbread Maxwell? Hell of a player, too!
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This would "seem" to be a final list for Justin Turner...
Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
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Bowling Green grad transfer Justin Turner (18.8 ppg) told me he has the following schools on his list:
Louisville, Texas Tech, Marquette, Iowa State, Missouri, Georgia, Alabama, UConn
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Does anybody know how common it is for transfers and grad transfers to make visits to schools before decisions? If so, this could be a very long, drawn out process. It will be interesting to see how coaches handle that. If they have a kid higher on their priority list but know they’ll have some tough competition for him, and there’s another kid who wants to come but they would only have room for one addition, that can make for some tough decisions for a coach.
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This would "seem" to be a final list for Justin Turner...
Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
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1h
Bowling Green grad transfer Justin Turner (18.8 ppg) told me he has the following schools on his list:
Louisville, Texas Tech, Marquette, Iowa State, Missouri, Georgia, Alabama, UConn
His brother replied to Goodman's tweet with:
Roy P.
@Bruce__Leroy__
Replying to @GoodmanHoops
Schools he is talking to the most are....Arkansas...Missouri...Marquette..Louisville...Xavier...
https://twitter.com/Bruce__Leroy__/status/1243263496726462464
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Uh oh.....
Billy...what would you say about Gonzaga or Dayton?
Like I said, it is not determined by not being in a Power 5 conference.
Gonzaga, BYU, not "mid-majors" despite being in a non-Power 5 conference and even though the WCC is a mid-major conference. I don't consider the A10 as a mid-major conference either. Some teams in that conference may be (Fordham) but if a conference regularly gets more than 2 bids it's not a mid-major, IMO. The Valley is a mid-major conference but Wichita State transcended that label before leaving, like Gonzaga and BYU.
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Like I said, it is not determined by not being in a Power 5 conference.
Gonzaga, BYU, not "mid-majors" despite being in a non-Power 5 conference and even though the WCC is a mid-major conference. I don't consider the A10 as a mid-major conference either. Some teams in that conference may be (Fordham) but if a conference regularly gets more than 2 bids it's not a mid-major, IMO. The Valley is a mid-major conference but Wichita State transcended that label before leaving, like Gonzaga and BYU.
I would define a mid major as a conference that only gets its conference tourney winner into the tournament year in and year out.
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Interesting...many scoopers believe it to be strictly based upon conference affiliation.
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Furthermore, there needs to be a category between mid major and power 6 to eliminate confusion. Mid/High Major Conferences?
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I would define a mid major as a conference that only gets its conference tourney winner into the tournament year in and year out.
That's a low major
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The way it has been explained by several Scoopers is that DePaul is a high major, and Gonzaga is a mid major.
UConn, who was a high major in the old Big East, has been a mid major for several years, but this fall will jump into the high major category once again!
There is no sense in arguing about it. ;)
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Interesting...many scoopers believe it to be strictly based upon conference affiliation.
It's not, but it's definitely a major factor. Others include recent success, standing in the national sports consciousness, tradition and notable people.
None of these work in UMass' favor. They're not in a power conference. They haven't had recent success. They haven't had a big-time coach or player since Calipari and Camby 25 years ago. They haven't won an NCAA tournament game since 1996. They haven't won a conference title since 1996. They have little in the way of winning tradition outside two years with Camby and two years with Dr. J. You never see anyone walking around in public outside the state sporting UMass gear.
They're far from a high major program.
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No such thing as a low major according to this: https://www.midmajormadness.com/pages/mid-major-teams-by-conference
It's quite clear there isn't an absolute definition.
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/27861088/mid-majors-2019-20-predictions-mid-major-anyway
ESPN has a different set of criteria....
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Furthermore, there needs to be a category between mid major and power 6 to eliminate confusion. Mid/High Major Conferences?
High Major was a saying. I don't hear to much anymore. I would tend to put some of the schools from the AAC, A-10, WCC and MWC on that list. Schools you find in those major holiday tournaments.
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Interesting...many scoopers believe it to be strictly based upon conference affiliation.
Given that's there no official definition, those scoopers would be just as right as scoopers who thought it was based on other factors. Personally, I think it is based on conference affiliation because then there are clearly set objective categories that teams can be sorted into. Otherwise, you have to make a subjective call on all 353 D1 teams.
But really, as long as the person is clear by what they mean by high major, mid major, and low major, is it worth arguing about? Though I have to admit, this is the first time I've seen someone argue that UMass is a high major.
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I don’t care if you want to say someone came from the JV league, mid major, low major, or anywhere else. Just let MU add a couple of high quality transfers this offseason, hey?
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UMass is not a mid-major. Just because a conference is not in the P5 does not make teams in it a "mid-major."
There are, at most, seven high-major conferences. At most. The A-10 is not one of those. So I assume you are saying UMass is a low-major? Because that's the only alternative.
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His brother replied to Goodman's tweet with:
Roy P.
@Bruce__Leroy__
Replying to @GoodmanHoops
Schools he is talking to the most are....Arkansas...Missouri...Marquette..Louisville...Xavier...
https://twitter.com/Bruce__Leroy__/status/1243263496726462464
You love to see it.
Lets bring him and Carton in
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You love to see it.
Lets bring him and Carton in
Depending on what he's looking for as a grad transfer..Xavier is the closest to home(Detroit), but again, he likely knows Jamal and Greg so that could be a big factor.
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Rowsey?
Rowsey was not a grad transfer. I am not sure, if the other examples listed here were grad transfers.
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Rowsey was not a grad transfer. I am not sure, if the other examples listed here were grad transfers.
Nope talking about guys going from midmajors to high majors n scoring double digits. U sir completely missed the mark
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*returns to scoop after posting the Jon Rothstein tweet this morning*
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It's not, but it's definitely a major factor. Others include recent success, standing in the national sports consciousness, tradition and notable people.
None of these work in UMass' favor. They're not in a power conference. They haven't had recent success. They haven't had a big-time coach or player since Calipari and Camby 25 years ago. They haven't won an NCAA tournament game since 1996. They haven't won a conference title since 1996. They have little in the way of winning tradition outside two years with Camby and two years with Dr. J. You never see anyone walking around in public outside the state sporting UMass gear.
They're far from a high major program.
While hesitant to open this can of worms, this correct accounting is a bummer. I live near Amherst, MA, and have long had hopes that MU would have a home-and-home series with UMass. Before UConn rejoined the BEast, I unrealistically imagined that the Catholic connection might be broken by bringing in UMass. Crazy thinking, yes.
But, Pakuni, you are correct. UMass had two phases of success, one of which is tainted. They are not a major program at this point, and are in a mid-major conference.
Still a home-and-home between MU and UMass would be nice, wouldn’t it?
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Sign a grad-transfer ‘big’, lock-down Karim Mane and let’s roll. A Wisconsin ass-kicking will be a beautiful thing.
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Given that's there no official definition, those scoopers would be just as right as scoopers who thought it was based on other factors. Personally, I think it is based on conference affiliation because then there are clearly set objective categories that teams can be sorted into. Otherwise, you have to make a subjective call on all 353 D1 teams.
But really, as long as the person is clear by what they mean by high major, mid major, and low major, is it worth arguing about? Though I have to admit, this is the first time I've seen someone argue that UMass is a high major.
Interesting....TAMU would you consider Gonzaga a mid or high major?
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Interesting....TAMU would you consider Gonzaga a mid or high major?
Mid-major. They are also an elite program. Mid-major doesn't mean a program is bad, it means they play in a lower level conference
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Mid-major. They are also an elite program. Mid-major doesn't mean a program is bad, it means they play in a lower level conference
I'm with this.
Lots of folks think "mid-major" is some kind of synonym for a "bad" team or a "lesser" team, as if it's a putdown of the team. To me, all it means is that the team plays for a conference that is not a high-major conference. There is little doubt that Gonzaga is an elite program that plays in a mid-major conference -- they have a cakewalk conference schedule every season.
We do this with words all the time. For example, "consistent" has become a synonym for "good." But the Cubs were "consistent" for 100-plus years, and it wasn't good. Hell, Marquette has been quite consistent the last 2 years -- OK start, very good stretch after that, late collapse. I'd rather have been a little less consistent!
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OK--so UConn was a high major, but they are in a now in a mid major conference...so they are a mid major?
They certainly do not stroll through their conference schedule.
But, on Sept 1st (or whenever they are considered to have joined the BE) they will be elevated overnight to high major status?
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Interesting...many scoopers believe it to be strictly based upon conference affiliation.
The term mid major was originally coined to reference to all conferences not in the power five. At the time of its origin, the Big East did not exist and it was eventually elevated to a Major. Many believe that the AAC also was elevated to a Major when it split from the Big East.
I believe that as mid major upsets occurred in the tournament that more attention and money was placed on certain mid major conferences such as MVC and A10 as can be seen with the annual airing for Arch Madness. Those two were then elevated to higher than mid-major status. However that was short lived and when the conferences realigned those conferences lost that status. They are not the same as they were before.
Certain schools are in mid-major leagues but are perennially good so they have been elevated to major status like Gonzaga. The WCC is a mid major conference but people don't see people transferring down if you go to Gonzaga. I think this is usually the exception not the rule. SDSU is still a mid major as is SMC. I consider Gonzaga a mid-major because even though they are good but they are in a conference not generating the same revenue as the majors.
As the power conferences have gotten bigger than the delta between major and low-major has grown and the mid-majors are becoming fewer.
I personally still associate mid-major to conferences because that it where the money is made TV Contracts, Tourney money, etc.
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The term mid major was originally coined to reference to all conferences not in the power five. At the time of its origin, the Big East did not exist and it was eventually elevated to a Major. Many believe that the AAC also was elevated to a Major when it split from the Big East.
I believe that as mid major upsets occurred in the tournament that more attention and money was placed on certain mid major conferences such as MVC and A10 as can be seen with the annual airing for Arch Madness. Those two were then elevated to higher than mid-major status. However that was short lived and when the conferences realigned those conferences lost that status. They are not the same as they were before.
Certain schools are in mid-major leagues but are perennially good so they have been elevated to major status like Gonzaga. The WCC is a mid major conference but people don't see people transferring down if you go to Gonzaga. I think this is usually the exception not the rule. SDSU is still a mid major as is SMC. I consider Gonzaga a mid-major because even though they are good but they are in a conference not generating the same revenue as the majors.
As the power conferences have gotten bigger than the delta between major and low-major has grown and the mid-majors are becoming fewer.
I personally still associate mid-major to conferences because that it where the money is made TV Contracts, Tourney money, etc.
While the term "mid-major" has existed for awhile, it didn't mean much and wasn't used as often as it is now. For instance, I don't recall anyone labelling Marquette as a "mid-major" when they went to the Final Four as a member of CUSA.
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Can we get back to focusing on actual transfers, who MU is in on, as opposed to a 10-page pissing match about the difference between high-major and mid-major?
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The term mid major was originally coined to reference to all conferences not in the power five.
Really? I dont think this is true.
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OK--so UConn was a high major, but they are in a now in a mid major conference...so they are a mid major?
They certainly do not stroll through their conference schedule.
But, on Sept 1st (or whenever they are considered to have joined the BE) they will be elevated overnight to high major status?
I'm of the opinion that the AAC is a mid-major conference, others say they are a high major conference. So in my perception, yes, UConn was a high major, now a mid major, and are about to become a high major again. I don't understand why you would think that a team's status couldn't change.
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While the term "mid-major" has existed for awhile, it didn't mean much and wasn't used as often as it is now. For instance, I don't recall anyone labelling Marquette as a "mid-major" when they went to the Final Four as a member of CUSA.
Billy Packer did around that time. Not sure if it was during the run, but definitely around that time. It caused quite a ruckus on the old board.
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Billy Packer did around that time. Not sure if it was during the run, but definitely around that time. It caused quite a ruckus on the old board.
Ah....
Well that's kinda dumb. They had four teams in the NCAA tournament and three teams ranked by the end of the year.
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Billy Packer did around that time. Not sure if it was during the run, but definitely around that time. It caused quite a ruckus on the old board.
Billy Packer - I think everyone celebrated when he retired.
According to Billy wasn't everyone a mid-major except ACC universities.
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Really? I dont think this is true.
I believe that mid major was originally any team that was not high major, and high major was based on which conferences sent their champions to what eventually evolved into the "New Year's Six" bowl games; it started as a football term. BCS kind of muddled things, CFP and basketball only conferences muddled it even more. Now it's 100% a subjective term, I've been using the definition that TAMU presented for a while now. You can be mid major and be elite. UCONN went from high to mid and now back to high major.
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Can we get back to focusing on actual transfers, who MU is in on, as opposed to a 10-page pissing match about the difference between high-major and mid-major?
I guess not.
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Can you guys please shut the frack up about the meaningless "major" classifications? I'd like to actually follow some transfer news. Thanks!
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Mentioned this last night, but MU is on Justin Turner's final 6 along with Missouri, Arkansas, Louisville, Xavier & Iowa State. he says he has really good relationships with the staffs at Arkansas and Missouri
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@jakeweingarten: Bowling Green graduate transfer Justin Turner tells @Stockrisers he’s down to six schools: Missouri, Xavier, Marquette, Arkansas, Louisville, Iowa State.
Arguably the nation’s top-available transfer. 19 point per game scorer.
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In case you guys missed it, PT on twitter shared an image of the impact bringing in both Carton and Turner would have on our TRank. It would move us up from 78 to 42.
Turner alone would move us from 78 to 56
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@GoodmanHoops: Illinois sophomore transfer Alan Griffin (8.9 ppg, 4.5 rpg) told me that he is considering the following right now:
Miami, Arizona, Marquette, Dayton, Iowa State, Texas, Syracuse, Duke
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@GoodmanHoops: Illinois sophomore transfer Alan Griffin (8.9 ppg, 4.5 rpg) told me that he is considering the following right now:
Miami, Arizona, Marquette, Dayton, Iowa State, Texas, Syracuse, Duke
EHhh yeah that is not the easiest group to recruit against
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I'm of the opinion that the AAC is a mid-major conference, others say they are a high major conference. So in my perception, yes, UConn was a high major, now a mid major, and are about to become a high major again. I don't understand why you would think that a team's status couldn't change.
by that "thinking" Gonzaga and BYU are mid-majors, UNLV back in the day was a mid-major, Cincy is a mid-major. Conference affiliation is a lazy way to classify. Are GU, UConn or Cincy a lesser program than Rutgers, Washington State, Oregon State, Penn State, etc? No.
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by that "thinking" Gonzaga and BYU are mid-majors, UNLV back in the day was a mid-major, Cincy is a mid-major. Conference affiliation is a lazy way to classify. Are GU, UConn or Cincy a lesser program than Rutgers, Washington State, Oregon State, Penn State, etc? No.
When did I say they were lesser programs?
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by that "thinking" Gonzaga and BYU are mid-majors, UNLV back in the day was a mid-major, Cincy is a mid-major. Conference affiliation is a lazy way to classify. Are GU, UConn or Cincy a lesser program than Rutgers, Washington State, Oregon State, Penn State, etc? No.
Going back to UMass though, they're a far cry from any of the UNLV, Cinci, BYU or Zags
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Can you guys please shut the frack up about the meaningless "major" classifications? I'd like to actually follow some transfer news. Thanks!
It actually cracks me up. Comes up a couple of times each year - and I'm always shocked how many people care to state their case!
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EHhh yeah that is not the easiest group to recruit against
His younger brother is committed to Duke...think that's where he ends up
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Griffin is good, but if he wants to play, he’s not going to go to Duke.
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Griffin is good, but if he wants to play, he’s not going to go to Duke.
Duke has it backwards. You don't sign the more talented brother first.
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Freshman guard from kentucky Johnny Juzang is transferring
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Keep an eye on Auburn for DJ Carton...
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Freshman guard from kentucky Johnny Juzang is transferring
Brother played at Harvard when we played them in the NIT couple years ago
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Freshman guard from kentucky Johnny Juzang is transferring
We were in on him originally. Don’t think he’s a guard tho.
Edit: I suppose he is listed as as guard some places, but he’s 6-7.
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Freshman guard from kentucky Johnny Juzang is transferring
He had an offer from us but that was a Stan connection with the Compton Magic
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It actually cracks me up. Comes up a couple of times each year - and I'm always shocked how many people care to state their case!
Really rocky? What a low-major thing to say. But if you find a different way to word it, maybe we'll elevate that statement to mid-major status.
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Keep an eye on Auburn for DJ Carton...
A Brinks truck was spotted in Bettendorf?
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Keep an eye on Auburn for DJ Carton...
No...too far away from home
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#10 Juzang is on ESPN U now until 5
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Duke has it backwards. You don't sign the more talented brother first.
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Agree Hope we can grab a center to protect the rim and rebound like Jayce and rebound like Ed. Hope we can grab someone to score, shoot a high percentage from 3, and create their own shot like our top two scorers Markus and Sacar. We Are Marquette!
Vegas has MU at 15 Wins Next Year with our current roster. Hope we can grab a Guard or two and a Center to get us to 20 plus Wins as far as Vegas is concerned. That said the Program is back and has been back a couple years, but we have to play well yet obviously. Go Marquette!
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Vegas has MU at 15 Wins Next Year with our current roster. Hope we can grab a Guard or two and a Center to get us to 20 plus Wins as far as Vegas is concerned. That said the Program is back and has been back a couple years, but we have to play well yet obviously. Go Marquette!
How many wins did Vegas have us for last season? Maybe a couple/few can carry over!
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Clones. Sign-up Karim Mane, land a ‘big’ grad-transfer...maybe the Russian from, ironically, American, and please kick Wisconsin’s ass.out
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by that "thinking" Gonzaga and BYU are mid-majors, UNLV back in the day was a mid-major, Cincy is a mid-major. Conference affiliation is a lazy way to classify. Are GU, UConn or Cincy a lesser program than Rutgers, Washington State, Oregon State, Penn State, etc? No.
I agree, Billy. 4 kinds of programs: elite, high major, mid major, low major. Gonzaga is elite, Indiana is high major, De Paul is mid major, Grambling St is low major. Indiana and Grambling St are at the same level of their conferences. Gonzaga and De Paul are not. Moveable feast.
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Gonzaga is elite? They’ve been to one Final Four.
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Gonzaga is elite? They’ve been to one Final Four.
Is Joe Flacco a elite quarterback?
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Is Joe Flacco a elite quarterback?
Can't spell "elite" without Eli.
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Can't spell "elite" without Eli.
Big facts. Also can’t spell elite without Trent Dilfer.
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Gonzaga is elite? They’ve been to one Final Four.
I wouldn’t put them at “Elite” but on the cusp. 10 sweet sixteens or better since 1999 and they can land 5 stars (Suggs top player in Minnesota this year).
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Big facts. Also can’t spell elite without Trent Dilfer.
Went to a breakfast a couple of months ago where Trent was the guest speaker. Awesome guy.
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Exactly. Mark Miller is saying he is hearing it is down to ISU or MU
No...too far away from home
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Exactly. Mark Miller is saying he is hearing it is down to ISU or MU
you meant MSU right?
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you meant MSU right?
He's talking Carton
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you meant MSU right?
Am guessing he is talking about MU
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Went to a breakfast a couple of months ago where Trent was the guest speaker. Awesome guy.
Thanks, Chicos
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Thanks, Chicos
LOL. Just so there’s no misunderstanding, he’s not a close personal friend. In fact, I don’t even know him. I listened to him speak along with probably 150 other people and found his story very moving.
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LOL. Just so there’s no misunderstanding, he’s not a close personal friend. In fact, I don’t even know him. I listened to him speak along with probably 150 other people and found his story very moving.
Just giving you a hard time. I believe Chicos would have framed it as "I had breakfast with Trent". Stay safe.
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Just giving you a hard time. I believe Chicos would have framed it as "I had breakfast with Trent". Stay safe.
You too, dog.
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Time for ISU to let us have a transfer, MU has given them enough already
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Exactly. Mark Miller is saying he is hearing it is down to ISU or MU
Where was this posted?
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Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
Xavier has landed Gardner Webb grad transfer Nate Johnson, per source.
6-3, 180, SG
Stats: 13.5 ppg
Scout’s take: “big-time shooter who worked to make himself a good shooter. Really developed in his time at Gardner-Webb. I think he’s a specialist at the high major level.”
I'm not disappointed MU didn't land him(prefer Turner and Carton), don't really like he's going to a BE opponent, BUT on the plus side this likely takes them out of consideration for Justin Turner.
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Wishlist for this spring (in no particular order - I will gladly take 2 of the 4):
1. Carton (immediately eligible with waiver & 3 yrs remaining)
2. Mane (hoping he stays 2 yrs or longer)
3. Turner (grad transfer 1 yr remaining)
4. Immediately eligible 5.
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Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
Xavier has landed Gardner Webb grad transfer Nate Johnson, per source.
6-3, 180, SG
Stats: 13.5 ppg
Scout’s take: “big-time shooter who worked to make himself a good shooter. Really developed in his time at Gardner-Webb. I think he’s a specialist at the high major level.”
I'm not disappointed MU didn't land him(prefer Turner and Carton), don't really like he's going to a BE opponent, BUT on the plus side this likely takes them out of consideration for Justin Turner.
Solid but not elite pickup for them. Had him just inside my top 20 available grad transfers
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Kevin Marfo from Quinnipac, leading rebounder in the country this last season is going to TAMU
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Solid but not elite pickup for them. Had him just inside my top 20 available grad transfers
For reference...Borzello had him at #13
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Wishlist for this spring (in no particular order - I will gladly take 2 of the 4):
1. Carton (immediately eligible with waiver & 3 yrs remaining)
2. Mane (hoping he stays 2 yrs or longer)
3. Turner (grad transfer 1 yr remaining)
4. Immediately eligible 5.
I concur with this except for me..Alan Griffin is at the top of the list...it's very close between him and Carton for me..Carton has one more year to play so I'd likely give the slight edge to him. But I wouldn't quibble over either one. I will take it a step further and say the MUST get 2 of those 5 or it's going to be a real struggle. I'd love both Griffin and Carton, but that's unlikely, but with either one of those and Turner and I'd be happy.
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Vegas has MU at 15 Wins Next Year with our current roster. Hope we can grab a Guard or two and a Center to get us to 20 plus Wins as far as Vegas is concerned. That said the Program is back and has been back a couple years, but we have to play well yet obviously. Go Marquette!
Do not know Marquette Vegas number last year
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Time for ISU to let us have a transfer, MU has given them enough already
Agree it would be nice of VJS to stay out of it :)
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For reference...Borzello had him at #13
Borzello. Pfft. He’s not some high school kid ranking kids from his room.
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Former American center and grad transfer Mark Gasperini tells me UMass, Wake Forest, Northeastern, Hawaii and Marquette have shown the most interest in him so far. 6-10 big averaged 8.9 points and 5.1 rebounds per game last year. @MarkGasperini
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Former American center and grad transfer Mark Gasperini tells me UMass, Wake Forest, Northeastern, Hawaii and Marquette have shown the most interest in him so far. 6-10 big averaged 8.9 points and 5.1 rebounds per game last year. @MarkGasperini
Wow. Total game changer there.
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I concur with this except for me..Alan Griffin is at the top of the list...it's very close between him and Carton for me..Carton has one more year to play so I'd likely give the slight edge to him. But I wouldn't quibble over either one. I will take it a step further and say the MUST get 2 of those 5 or it's going to be a real struggle. I'd love both Griffin and Carton, but that's unlikely, but with either one of those and Turner and I'd be happy.
Didn't you say that we MUST get Garcia and if we did, it would be a program-changer?
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I've little doubt Wojo will land this stiff
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I've little doubt Wojo will land this stiff
Which one do you mean? Quite the net our hero has casted. Carton would be an excellent addition. The others, color me highly skeptical after Morrow, Chartouny, and McEwen 😬
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Former American center and grad transfer Mark Gasperini tells me UMass, Wake Forest, Northeastern, Hawaii and Marquette have shown the most interest in him so far. 6-10 big averaged 8.9 points and 5.1 rebounds per game last year. @MarkGasperini
Based on our competition, please, no.
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Agree 100%.
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I love that we’re already crying about the kid(s) we haven’t even landed yet.
Some people just need to complain in order to be happy.
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For reference...Borzello had him at #13
Yes, but three grad transfer just entered the portal in the past couple of days that I think Borzello would have ranked higher than Johnson.
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Based on our competition, please, no.
Yeah I'm not sure why they are even interested in this kid...He's a body at best. I realize they could use a back up to Theo, but they didn't even show interest in Marfo(who's better than Theo), and even Markusson wouldn't be bad based on his size alone, but they didn't express interest in him either. Baffling why they are interested in Gasperini,
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Didn't you say that we MUST get Garcia and if we did, it would be a program-changer?
Obviously you don't understand that a "program changer" doesn't necessarily mean his Freshman year, but more future years and the impact it will have on recruiting. Without Carton and/or Griffin and/or Hunter, it's going to be struggle next year. 2 of those 3 would help immensely. I wouldn't expect you to "get" that though. You're used to distorting facts to fit a narrative.
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Yeah I'm not sure why they are even interested in this kid...He's a body at best. I realize they could use a back up to Theo, but they didn't even show interest in Marfo(who's better than Theo), and even Markusson wouldn't be bad based on his size alone, but they didn't express interest in him either. Baffling why they are interested in Gasperini,
It seems like if they are going to grab a grad transfer big, it is going to be a true 5 rather than a 4 who can play the 5. Which makes some sense, given that we have so many players who could play the 4. Sadly, Gasperini may be the third best on the market in this category. Markusson, who you mentioned, and Jock Perry are the only other two that I think might be better.
Marfo is a conundrum to me. He's a bit undersized, an ELITE rebounder, a poor offensive post, and a meh post defender. You take him for his rebounding but I'm not sure what other value he'll bring to TAMU. We're talking about a guy with worse offensive efficiency and B% than Theo despite playing against much weaker competition. I'd absolutely take him to pair him with Theo, but I'm not convinced he'd be the starter over Theo.
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Yeah I'm not sure why they are even interested in this kid...He's a body at best. I realize they could use a back up to Theo, but they didn't even show interest in Marfo(who's better than Theo), and even Markusson wouldn't be bad based on his size alone, but they didn't express interest in him either. Baffling why they are interested in Gasperini,
Yes, this guy would be Chartouny II. He wasn’t a very good Patriot League player. Little to no improvement in three years looking at his numbers.
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Yes, this guy would be Chartouny II. He wasn’t a very good Patriot League player. Little to no improvement in three years looking at his numbers.
I mean, I get they may not want to tie up the scholarship for 4 years, but if this is what they want for a back up 5, you could find just as good or better I'd think throwing out a scholly to a project big that's still out there for 4 years.
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I mean, I get they may not want to tie up the scholarship for 4 years, but if this is what they want for a back up 5, you could find just as good or better I'd think throwing out a scholly to a project big that's still out there for 4 years.
I strongly advocate Buzz’s approach to roster building, in that you just simply try to find guys who can play, and who are versatile. Positions will sort themselves out once the team is practicing and playing together. You obviously can’t recruit a bunch of 5’11- 6’2 players, but follow this model within reason. The square peg/ round hole never works well.
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I strongly advocate Buzz’s approach to roster building, in that you just simply try to find guys who can play, and who are versatile. Positions will sort themselves out once the team is practicing and playing together. You obviously can’t recruit a bunch of 5’11- 6’2 players, but follow this model within reason. The square peg/ round hole never works well.
Well how about actually recruiting a big. The last post player we brought in as a freshman was....Theo John.
It's not so much a square peg / round hole thing as it is a stopgap messure kind of thing.
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Well how about actually recruiting a big. The last post player we brought in as a freshman was....Theo John.
It's not so much a square peg / round hole thing as it is a stopgap messure kind of thing.
If they’re out there and open to attending MU, great. But this is an imperfect world. Big East caliber bigs are not plentiful in high school or transfer market. You might need to go to plan B. I think TAMU described the depressed state of grad transfer bigs available. This roster needs a general talent upgrade and not settle for lesser talent to fill a need.
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I would rather take flyers on Otule or Heldt quality post players, even if they wind up as back ups, then scramble to find players from the Patriot League.
With a 13 man roster, you can have both quality and depth.
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Who currently is Theo's backup? A Patriot league player is better than no one. It's not like the scholarship is needed elsewhere and will be available the following season.
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Who currently is Theo's backup? A Patriot league player is better than no one. It's not like the scholarship is needed elsewhere and will be available the following season.
I agree with you that this is what is needed now.
I would prefer developing a big as a freshman who can serve in that role, and to my knowledge, we have hardly looked at any post players in the last three years. I mean, we don't even have a player to *start* in that role in 2021-22 unless we think it will be Dawson Garcia.
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I strongly advocate Buzz’s approach to roster building, in that you just simply try to find guys who can play, and who are versatile. Positions will sort themselves out once the team is practicing and playing together. You obviously can’t recruit a bunch of 5’11- 6’2 players, but follow this model within reason. The square peg/ round hole never works well.
Buzz’s recruiting philosophy was a true point guard, a true 5, and switchables.
For comparison purposes Buzz brought the following centers to MU.
Otule
Gardner - listed as a 4 not 5
Pierce - Never made it to campus. He averaged <2pts his career.
Previous forgotten but now added
Yous
Roseboro
Durley
Fisher —> I forgot this one because it was in the year Buzz was “mailing it in” and left 3 months later.
Buzz seemed to finally play centers that were back to the basket 4s.
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Well how about actually recruiting a big. The last post player we brought in as a freshman was....Theo John.
It's not so much a square peg / round hole thing as it is a stopgap messure kind of thing.
Don't forget Ike. Sad turn of events for him.
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I love that we’re already crying about the kid(s) we haven’t even landed yet.
Some people just need to complain in order to be happy.
Agreed. Just because our name is mentioned doesn’t mean we are going to get that player. It just shows the staff is looking at a lot of places. How is this a negative?
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I think it’s somewhat of an issue when you’re recruiting a grad transfer 5 man two years in a row. Maybe we can go for the double trifecta next year after Theo graduates!
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Buzz’s recruiting philosophy was a true point guard, a true 5, and switchables.
For comparison purposes Buzz brought the following centers to MU.
Otule
Gardner - listed as a 4 not 5
Pierce - Never made it to campus. He averaged <2pts his career.
Buzz seemed to finally play centers that were back to the basket 4s.
Don't forget Brett Roseboro, who he cut after summer workouts, and Aaron Durley, who also never made it to campus because he pulled the scholie after he signed his LOI.
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I don’t see it as an issue. A grad transfer big is more physically and mentally mature than a Frosh or soph.
Jayce was exactly what they were looking for, and got it.
However, after Heldt left I said we need to get a HS 5 in here and learn. Hadn’t happened.
There is room for both.
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I don’t see it as an issue. A grad transfer big is more physically and mentally mature than a Frosh or soph.
Jayce was exactly what they were looking for, and got it.
However, after Heldt left I said we need to get a HS 5 in here and learn. Hadn’t happened.
There is room for both.
JJ was already a high major player. Gasperini is a question mark with a big step up.
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Don't forget Brett Roseboro, who he cut after summer workouts, and Aaron Durley, who also never made it to campus because he pulled the scholie after he signed his LOI.
I forgot about Roseboro. he left of his own choice.
I have no recollection or Aaron Durley.
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If they’re out there and open to attending MU, great. But this is an imperfect world. Big East caliber bigs are not plentiful in high school or transfer market. You might need to go to plan B. I think TAMU described the depressed state of grad transfer bigs available. This roster needs a general talent upgrade and not settle for lesser talent to fill a need.
Maybe they are trying to do that concurrently?! Or would that be too much to wrap ur simple mind around. A bunch of top 100 bigs have been on campus.
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I think it’s somewhat of an issue when you’re recruiting a grad transfer 5 man two years in a row.
Again, I don’t think it’s an issue to recruit grad transfer bigs, as you do.
They got Jayce for one year rental. Everyone knew that.
I made no mention of this grad vs. that grad as you are now doing.
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I forgot about Roseboro. he left of his own choice.
I have no recollection or Aaron Durley.
Aaron Durley was a guy from Texas that Buzz offered early. He signed his LOI in November of his senior year, but ended up having a pretty poor season. Buzz's story was that he wanted him to go prep for a year before coming, but my guess is that Buzz just didn't want him.
He ended up at TCU where injuries derailed his career but he ended up getting his degree.
I also forgot Yous Mbao. He lasted a year before transferring to Marshall. Who can forget him playing the top of the 1-3-1 zone?
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Aaron Durley was a guy from Texas that Buzz offered early. He signed his LOI in November of his senior year, but ended up having a pretty poor season. Buzz's story was that he wanted him to go prep for a year before coming, but my guess is that Buzz just didn't want him.
He ended up at TCU where injuries derailed his career but he ended up getting his degree.
I also forgot Yous Mbao. He lasted a year before transferring to Marshall. Who can forget him playing the top of the 1-3-1 zone?
Yep. I googled him and it came back. I think this goes to show that there really aren’t that many good big men and most of the time they don’t develop.
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Yep. I googled him and it came back. I think this goes to show that there really aren’t that many good big men and most of the time they don’t develop.
Fair point.
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Aaron Durley was a guy from Texas that Buzz offered early. He signed his LOI in November of his senior year, but ended up having a pretty poor season. Buzz's story was that he wanted him to go prep for a year before coming, but my guess is that Buzz just didn't want him.
He ended up at TCU where injuries derailed his career but he ended up getting his degree.
I also forgot Yous Mbao. He lasted a year before transferring to Marshall. Who can forget him playing the top of the 1-3-1 zone?
Yes--was @UW for the game and when I saw the 1-3-1, I knew we were in trouble.
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I think it’s somewhat of an issue when you’re recruiting a grad transfer 5 man two years in a row. Maybe we can go for the double trifecta next year after Theo graduates!
Look at it from recruit's view. If you have 300+ options to go to college. If you were a class of 19 and looked at MU you saw Theo, Ed and Ike ahead of you on the depth chart. You are possibly 4th as a FR and 3rd as a Soph. If you are a class of 20 kid you see as a FR you are behind Theo and Ike for a year. Hard to recruit in to that logjam. Maybe the best you can get is a Patriot level player who dreams of playing in a major conference. And some of you are upset we are looking at the exact kid we could have possibly gotten.
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I would rather take flyers on Otule or Heldt quality post players, even if they wind up as back ups, then scramble to find players from the Patriot League.
With a 13 man roster, you can have both quality and depth.
The problem with that is Otule and Heldt were barely backup quality players and at times they were starting. I'm disappointed MU hasn't gotten another big man at least the caliber of Luke Fischer. A player that was about as widely underappreciated as he was below expectation for some.
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Look at it from recruit's view. If you have 300+ options to go to college. If you were a class of 19 and looked at MU you saw Theo, Ed and Ike ahead of you on the depth chart. You are possibly 4th as a FR and 3rd as a Soph. If you are a class of 20 kid you see as a FR you are behind Theo and Ike for a year. Hard to recruit in to that logjam. Maybe the best you can get is a Patriot level player who dreams of playing in a major conference. And some of you are upset we are looking at the exact kid we could have possibly gotten.
How about a different view?? How about you bring in a big that you can dump it down to and he will get you a bucket almost every time?? That's what I would love to see. Even though they were undersized, I'd give anything to have MU bring in another Davante Gardner or Robert Jackson. I have never been a fan of bigs that can't score consistently, regardless of the defense they bring.
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I forgot about Roseboro. he left of his own choice.
Did he though?
Dursley’s claim of fame was being a massive LLWS player.
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/baseball/images/a/a4/Aaron.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/340?cb=20070518164844)
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Gasperini will be better than a HS fresh. It’s not like MU needs 25 minutes per game from him. 15-18 minutes works in partnership w/Theo. If Garcia is an impact front line/wing guy...maybe Lewis too, and Bailey improves, Elliott is healthy, Torrance, Cain, McEwen improve, Wojo improves too!, possibly sign Carton and Mane...if so, then MU has a chance at a good season. Lots of ‘if’s’, I know. Critical to obtain ‘big’ depth and a good pt.
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The problem with that is Otule and Heldt were barely backup quality players and at times they were starting. I'm disappointed MU hasn't gotten another big man at least the caliber of Luke Fischer. A player that was about as widely underappreciated as he was below expectation for some.
Otule and Heldt were clearly at least back up quality. You didn't count on either for scoring. Just defense and rebounds. And they did fine in that regard.
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How about a different view?? How about you bring in a big that you can dump it down to and he will get you a bucket almost every time?? That's what I would love to see. Even though they were undersized, I'd give anything to have MU bring in another Davante Gardner or Robert Jackson. I have never been a fan of bigs that can't score consistently, regardless of the defense they bring.
How about you understanding how recruiting works? If you were a class of 19 kid you see you would be behind Theo, Ed and Ike. If you are a class of 20 kid you would be behind Theo and Ike. Yes I know Ike can't play but he did play over in France and Spain and that's when recruiting is really picking up.
Kids have over 300 options. Wojo tried to recruit bigs. Cockburn of U of I was one. Go back and look at the chart for others. The biggest thing about recruiting is it not a draft. Coaches don't select their players. The players select them. The only kind of kid other than a top 20 center to come here are kids heading to the Patriot League but dreaming big. And now people are whining about getting a kid from the Patriot league.
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Even though they were undersized, I'd give anything to have MU bring in another Davante Gardner or Robert Jackson.
I don’t think RJ was undersized, was he?
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Otule and Heldt were clearly at least back up quality. You didn't count on either for scoring. Just defense and rebounds. And they did fine in that regard.
That's still aiming pretty low. Neither were very good backups. Likeable guys? Sure. The problem persists...other than a non-traditional big like Ellenson and the aforementioned Fischer, MU has had very few capable offensive big men for years.
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I don’t think RJ was undersized, was he?
Not at all. He was massive.
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I don’t think RJ was undersized, was he?
Obviously a wide body, but suspect he was a wee bit shorter than his listed 6’10”......
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Wow. Total game changer there.
Weren’t you also the guy complaining about Carton not being a good enough guy your alma mater. Lol. GF.
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That's still aiming pretty low. Neither were very good backups. Likeable guys? Sure. The problem persists...other than a non-traditional big like Ellenson and the aforementioned Fischer, MU has had very few capable offensive big men for years.
Who say you need much on offense? Otule was a starter on a S16 and E8 team. In college, a limited big is fine if you put talent around them.
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I don’t think RJ was undersized, was he?
I'm talking more height wise..he was 6'8" at best. But he was a beast. It's my own personal preference, but I'd like my true 5's to be at least(a legit) 6"10". Under that, to me they are a PF.
Even this release says he was 6'8"
https://gomarquette.com/news/2001/3/28/Milwaukee_Native_Robert_Jackson_To_Join_Marquette_Basketball_Program.aspx
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I'm talking more height wise..he was 6'8" at best. But he was a beast. It's my own personal preference, but I'd like my true 5's to be at least(a legit) 6"10". Under that, to me they are a PF.
Even this release says he was 6'8"
https://gomarquette.com/news/2001/3/28/Milwaukee_Native_Robert_Jackson_To_Join_Marquette_Basketball_Program.aspx
At that time I have to imagine all players had an exaggerated height by a couple of inches. The same guys listed at 6'10 (Jackson's listed height) were probably around 6'8 and 6'9 themselves.
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How about you understanding how recruiting works? If you were a class of 19 kid you see you would be behind Theo, Ed and Ike. If you are a class of 20 kid you would be behind Theo and Ike. Yes I know Ike can't play but he did play over in France and Spain and that's when recruiting is really picking up.
Kids have over 300 options. Wojo tried to recruit bigs. Cockburn of U of I was one. Go back and look at the chart for others. The biggest thing about recruiting is it not a draft. Coaches don't select their players. The players select them. The only kind of kid other than a top 20 center to come here are kids heading to the Patriot League but dreaming big. And now people are whining about getting a kid from the Patriot league.
Eke hasn’t been active for two years. So the only true holdover 5 has been John. Morrow never wanted to play center which is why he transferred from Nebraska in the first place.
Signing grad transfers can range from Chartouny to Johnson. There’s high risk involved and it’s a tough market to compete in.
Personal preference but, I’d rather have a guy grow for a few years in our system than a revolving door of mercenaries. We were very lucky with how Jayce worked out.
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I want a guy who can score and who can play D.
Don't care if he's 17 or 24, freshman or grad transfer, green or purple.
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Eke hasn’t been active for two years. So the only true holdover 5 has been John. Morrow never wanted to play center which is why he transferred from Nebraska in the first place.
Signing grad transfers can range from Chartouny to Johnson. There’s high risk involved and it’s a tough market to compete in.
Personal preference but, I’d rather have a guy grow for a few years in our system than a revolving door of mercenaries. We were very lucky with how Jayce worked out.
Signing Jucos can range from Fulce to Butler or Crowder
Signing freshman can range from Yous to Wade
Signing traditional transfer can range from Morrow to Wilson, Rowsey, Fisher.
Recruiting is a tough market to be in. There’s high risk involved and it’s a tough market to compete in.
I think it can be shown that MU has whiffed more on freshman than grad transfers. In many cases those freshman become revolving door transfers.
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To also point out recruiting cycles, most freshman sign in the fall but more and more top talent is waiting to the spring to see who declares. Coaches know who they are in on and who is likely to sign for the spring.
Grad transfers commit after much of the dust has settled so the argument of grad transfer versus freshman is moot. Most likely we are in the grad transfer market because the freshman already signed or you had a transfer at the end of the season. The coach is looking to fill a hole with an immediately eligible player.
The grad transfer plays the immediate next season so the next class of freshman to sign in the fall won’t be impacted like a trad transfer or even having to cut someone to make room for a next player.
Really the argument is grad transfer or nothing.
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Signing Jucos can range from Fulce to Butler or Crowder
Signing freshman can range from Yous to Wade
Signing traditional transfer can range from Morrow to Wilson, Rowsey, Fisher.
Recruiting is a tough market to be in. There’s high risk involved and it’s a tough market to compete in.
I think it can be shown that MU has whiffed more on freshman than grad transfers. In many cases those freshman become revolving door transfers.
It’s most important to find guys that can fit into your program. That’s really hard to do when you’re consistently getting one year stop gaps while trying to fix a bigger issue.
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To also point out recruiting cycles, most freshman sign in the fall but more and more top talent is waiting to the spring to see who declares. Coaches know who they are in on and who is likely to sign for the spring.
Grad transfers commit after much of the dust has settled so the argument of grad transfer versus freshman is moot. Most likely we are in the grad transfer market because the freshman already signed or you had a transfer at the end of the season. The coach is looking to fill a hole with an immediately eligible player.
The grad transfer plays the immediate next season so the next class of freshman to sign in the fall won’t be impacted like a trad transfer or even having to cut someone to make room for a next player.
Really the argument is grad transfer or nothing.
My point is, you could have posted this exact same thing last season when we signed Jayce.....
This has been a known need for a couple of seasons and I don’t think it’s best for the program to scramble after a season and hope there’s someone available immediately to fill a need for the next season.
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Geez, there is a lot of angst about how we might use our 12th/13th scholarship.
If Gasperini is he only player we bring in this offseason, that will be a recruiting failure. As long as we get 1 or 2 of the other top targets, then it means we found our emergency center for next year which is a fine use for a 12th or 13th scholarship. Personally, I'd rather get a 1 year rental who is bad, then tie up a scholarship for multiple years with a bad FR.
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Geez, there is a lot of angst about how we might use our 12th/13th scholarship.
If Gasperini is he only player we bring in this offseason, that will be a recruiting failure. As long as we get 1 or 2 of the other top targets, then it means we found our emergency center for next year which is a fine use for a 12th or 13th scholarship. Personally, I'd rather get a 1 year rental who is bad, then tie up a scholarship for multiple years with a bad FR.
If Wojo changes up the offensive scheme making the 5 not as important, I don’t see this as a huge issue.
The frustrations are if he’s playing a role as Theo’s primary 1a backup.
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If Wojo changes up the offensive scheme making the 5 not as important, I don’t see this as a huge issue.
The frustrations are if he’s playing a role as Theo’s primary 1a backup.
He could the 5 be less important in this offense than it is now?
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If Wojo changes up the offensive scheme making the 5 not as important, I don’t see this as a huge issue.
The 5 is important In wojo’s offense now?
I guess setting screen after screen is important.
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How about you understanding how recruiting works? If you were a class of 19 kid you see you would be behind Theo, Ed and Ike. If you are a class of 20 kid you would be behind Theo and Ike. Yes I know Ike can't play but he did play over in France and Spain and that's when recruiting is really picking up.
Kids have over 300 options. Wojo tried to recruit bigs. Cockburn of U of I was one. Go back and look at the chart for others. The biggest thing about recruiting is it not a draft. Coaches don't select their players. The players select them. The only kind of kid other than a top 20 center to come here are kids heading to the Patriot League but dreaming big. And now people are whining about getting a kid from the Patriot league.
Really enlightening post. Thanks for this. Who knew in the college model that players choose schools, and aren’t drafted?
All the more reason you need an effective coach both in XOs AND charismatic. Right now we have a coach who doesn’t possess either essential attribute. Perhaps hard to get a coach at MU that has both, but there is no reason we can’t have a coach that possesses at least one of the two essential attributes.
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If Wojo changes up the offensive scheme making the 5 not as important, I don’t see this as a huge issue.
The frustrations are if he’s playing a role as Theo’s primary 1a backup.
When has a 5 ever been important in our offense?
Both Garcia and Lewis are capable of playing the 5. If we do sign Gasperini, I wouldn't imagine him playing more than a few minutes a game unless there's extreme foul trouble.
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Really enlightening post. Thanks for this. Who knew in the college model that players choose schools, and aren’t drafted?
All the more reason you need an effective coach both in XOs AND charismatic. Right now we have a coach who doesn’t possess either essential attribute. Perhaps hard to get a coach at MU that has both, but there is no reason we can’t have a coach that possesses at least one of the two essential attributes.
What if they bring in assistant that is experienced in X's and O's??
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What if they bring in assistant that is experienced in X's and O's??
Tend to think this is somewhat overrated. The head coach has to have “it.” Kids largely sign with a program due to the head coach/roster complexion/playing time availability.
Right now we aren’t putting kids into the NBA, and we aren’t winning at all in March. About the only selling point Wojo has - which is probably an ultimate failure to building the program - is telling a 5-star: I’ll give you the ultimate green light, just like I did Henry Ellenson and Markus Howard.
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Yup, that's the Wojo sales pitch -- the only thing he has left to sell
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There’s a lot to sell at MU, it’s not like there 15-15 every year, but more importantly Wojo has the backing of the administration with a ton of money to run the program, with that, he can recruit the whole country, not every program has the budget to do that, curious what is the recruiting budget of other Big East programs?
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Beyond giving away the keys to the kingdom, what exactly does Wojo have to sell that would interest a 5 star? Certainly not his track record of NCAA success
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MU was initially interested in Wertz, but they aren't in his final 11...again, this is totally okay. As options start to dwindle and Turner, Griffin and Carton remain available is a good thing for MU.
Jake
@jakeweingarten
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Santa Clara transfer Trey Wertz has cut down his list to 11 programs, he told @Stockrisers
: Arizona, Butler, NC State, North Carolina, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Stanford, Virginia, Xavier, Vanderbilt.
Averaged 11.5 points per game and shot 40% from three.
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So let me get this straight. Wojo is boring, Wojo can’t coach, Wojo doesn’t win, and he can only sell a five star on coming in and shooting the ball whenever he wants. Yet he has a top 10 recruiting class in the country?
Hmm...
Major flaws in the argument here. But that’s never stopped people from making claims so...
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So let me get this straight. Wojo is boring, Wojo can’t coach, Wojo doesn’t win, and he can only sell a five star on coming in and shooting the ball whenever he wants. Yet he has a top 10 recruiting class in the country?
Hmm...
Major flaws in the argument here. But that’s never stopped people from making claims so...
Definitely not a top 10 class...
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When has a 5 ever been important in our offense?
Both Garcia and Lewis are capable of playing the 5. If we do sign Gasperini, I wouldn't imagine him playing more than a few minutes a game unless there's extreme foul trouble.
On defense?
Neither Garcia nor Lewis are ready to step in and play significant minutes on defense at the 5 next season.
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The head coach has to have “it.” Kids largely sign with a program due to the head coach...
You previously said this...
Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 21, 2020, 02:29:58 PM
Reality is, is that Stan was basically the guy responsible for getting all of our recruits.
Which is it??? The head coach or the assist coach???
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So let me get this straight. Wojo is boring, Wojo can’t coach, Wojo doesn’t win, and he can only sell a five star on coming in and shooting the ball whenever he wants. Yet he has a top 10 recruiting class in the country?
Hmm...
Major flaws in the argument here. But that’s never stopped people from making claims so...
One good class every 5 years isn’t going to get it down, especially not with his coaching acumen. Further, the ace recruiter just left. Killings is impressive though so that was a good hire by Wojo.
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On defense?
Neither Garcia nor Lewis are ready to step in and play significant minutes on defense at the 5 next season.
That is why you get a grad transfer.
You are trying so hard to make a conversation with a recruit bad that you are spinning yourself in a circle.
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Beyond giving away the keys to the kingdom, what exactly does Wojo have to sell that would interest a 5 star? Certainly not his track record of NCAA success
He did have a lot to sell. A lot of it was his visions of the future team once he settled into the program and available playing time because of the train wreck Buzz left.
He can still sell his vision, but opposing coaches should have a pretty easy time recruiting against him given his results over the last six seasons.
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The head coach has to have “it.” Kids largely sign with a program due to the head coach...
You previously said this...
Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 21, 2020, 02:29:58 PM
Reality is, is that Stan was basically the guy responsible for getting all of our recruits.
Which is it??? The head coach or the assist coach???
Yes. Stan sold the F out of MU and Wojo. Lots of playing time available to sell this past recruiting cycle. Didn’t have to sell against another year end implosion either. Losing Sam and Joey opened up a lot of PT.
Question: What grade do you give Wojo so far?
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Me: logs on to the Scoop and sees 4 new pages on the transfer thread today. Thinks we landed a transfer and there is quality discussion about his role moving forward.
In reality: 4 pages with only one real new piece of info and the rest is the usual Wojo bashing and dumping on former players (side note: considering he had one eye and multiple major leg injuries, starting for an E8 team is a major accomplishment for Otule and should not be diminished). Whatever grad transfer 5 we get is probably looking at, at most, 15 mpg, he doesn't need to be the second coming of Pat Ewing, he just needs to be serviceable.
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Good interview with Killings taking about a lot of what we are discussing in this thread.
https://247sports.com/college/marquette/Article/My-interview-with-Marquette-Associate-Head-Coach-Dwayne-Killings-145502975/?utm_source=247Sports%2520Newsletter&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_campaign=200329_001736_MarquetteGoldenEagles&utm_content=Link
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Good interview with Killings taking about a lot of what we are discussing in this thread.
https://247sports.com/college/marquette/Article/My-interview-with-Marquette-Associate-Head-Coach-Dwayne-Killings-145502975/?utm_source=247Sports%2520Newsletter&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_campaign=200329_001736_MarquetteGoldenEagles&utm_content=Link
Seems very charismatic. He’s going to bail Wojo out on the recruiting trail and in huddles. Hopefully he gets the chance to show us what he can do in post game interviews. I’m 90% ready to fire Wojo to hire Killings. If he shows some personality in an interview after a game that seals the deal for me.
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Panda:
Yes, “did” is the operative word. Going forward, I don’t expect many/any Henrys, Markuses, or Dawsons to buy into Wojo’s vision — unless all they really care about is having a stage to showcase for the NBA
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Panda:
Yes, “did” is the operative word. Going forward, I don’t expect many/any Henrys, Markuses, or Dawsons to buy into Wojo’s vision — unless all they really care about is having a stage to showcase for the NBA
Yep - The program is getting to be a very hard sell at this point.
I could see Carton committing though as he has a previous relationship with the staff and he clearly wants to be the man. Otherwise, it’ll be tough sledding.
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Seems very charismatic. He’s going to bail Wojo out on the recruiting trail and in huddles. Hopefully he gets the chance to show us what he can do in post game interviews. I’m 90% ready to fire Wojo to hire Killings. If he shows some personality in an interview after a game that seals the deal for me.
Proud of you. Though it took a full 6 years for you to admit the folly of your early predictions and promises of glory under Boy Wonder - it’s never too late to swallow ones pride. Well done here Wades. I’m sure you will find it liberating not having to contort your posts and logic into suggesting our coach has us trending like Duke and Jay Wright at Villanova.
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Good interview with Killings taking about a lot of what we are discussing in this thread.
https://247sports.com/college/marquette/Article/My-interview-with-Marquette-Associate-Head-Coach-Dwayne-Killings-145502975/?utm_source=247Sports%2520Newsletter&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_campaign=200329_001736_MarquetteGoldenEagles&utm_content=Link
Killings: .....“There are so many kids out there and so many kids calling – you have to think of who they are as people and how they would fit into the program.”
Interesting that “so many kids are calling” MU inquiring about the situation they have to offer.
Seems that kids would be the ones receiving the calls, not making them.
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Killings: .....“There are so many kids out there and so many kids calling – you have to think of who they are as people and how they would fit into the program.”
Interesting that “so many kids are calling” MU inquiring about the situation they have to offer.
Seems that kids would be the ones receiving the calls, not making them.
DOS: I don’t want to date myself but when I attended Marquette in the late 70s, early 80s, and I worked with the basketball program and sports information, I remember Marquette beating Duke in Madison and Rick Majerus running to a pay phone at the Dane County Coliseum in order to talk with Doc Rivers at home in Chicago. I heard him say, “Hey, Doc, did you see the game? What a game, right?” ….how technology has changed. You now have your phones. It’s almost like a 24/7 effort between your phones, technology and the internet.
Killings actual answer - Is there a question here? Are you asking me to start interviewing you?
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Lol! Also funny that MU’s resident apologist and #1 schmuck didn’t edit out Killings’ response
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Proud of you. Though it took a full 6 years for you to admit the folly of your early predictions and promises of glory under Boy Wonder - it’s never too late to swallow ones pride. Well done here Wades. I’m sure you will find it liberating not having to contort your posts and logic into suggesting our coach has us trending like Duke and Jay Wright at Villanova.
Not sure Wade's bar is very high by hiring on the premise of personality.
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Killings: .....“There are so many kids out there and so many kids calling – you have to think of who they are as people and how they would fit into the program.”
Interesting that “so many kids are calling” MU inquiring about the situation they have to offer.
Seems that kids would be the ones receiving the calls, not making them.
I pointed this out in an earlier post about how the portal works. I think a good number of players don’t want to hear from 300 schools so they do the reaching out to the schools they are interested in.
Instead of saying MU has no interest they just say they have heard from MU
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There’s a lot to sell at MU, it’s not like there 15-15 every year, but more importantly Wojo has the backing of the administration with a ton of money to run the program, with that, he can recruit the whole country, not every program has the budget to do that, curious what is the recruiting budget of other Big East programs?
Including MUScoop, which works so hard to derail Wojo.
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Obviously you don't understand that a "program changer" doesn't necessarily mean his Freshman year, but more future years and the impact it will have on recruiting. Without Carton and/or Griffin and/or Hunter, it's going to be struggle next year. 2 of those 3 would help immensely. I wouldn't expect you to "get" that though. You're used to distorting facts to fit a narrative.
Aside from your unnecessary insult in your last line (given that I wasn't disrespectful to you at all), thanks for explaining what you meant by "program changer" and by your desire to add highly skilled players for the upcoming season. I agree with them.
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Is Joe Flacco a elite quarterback?
"We will Survive."
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I hope Marquette can land a 5 as good as Shaquille O'Neal was coming out of high school, though I'd prefer to get a 5 as good as O'Neal was coming out of college.
Then, maybe as a backup, a Mourning-caliber 5.
Because tons of these guys are available every year, and we have a good recruiting budget, so I don't see why we can't get a few of them.
I mean, look at all the total stud 5's Buzz and Crean landed!
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I hope Marquette can land a 5 as good as Shaquille O'Neal was coming out of high school, though I'd prefer to get a 5 as good as O'Neal was coming out of college.
Then, maybe as a backup, a Mourning-caliber 5.
Because tons of these guys are available every year, and we have a good recruiting budget, so I don't see why we can't get a few of them.
I mean, look at all the total stud 5's Buzz and Crean landed!
Maybe it is just my imagination but do I detect a hint of sarcasm?
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Maybe it is just my imagination but do I detect a hint of sarcasm?
Hard to tell. From reading some of these posts, You'd think Garcia is the next Shaq
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Weren’t you also the guy complaining about Carton not being a good enough guy your alma mater. Lol. GF.
Talent wise, maybe he is (of course this place made Koby out to be a first team All American before he played a game), but if there are the behavioral, off-court issues hinted at in many articles then no, he isn’t. No more Mayo’s which even Buzz couldn’t cover up, or others, which he did.
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I see MU as having a lot to highlight to recruits...a strong heritage in winning basketball. Top-shelf facilities. What program has a Fiserv Forum...walking distance from campus? Dedicated fan base. Basketball-only...not competing with football for attention. A basketball-centric Big East Conference. Plus, sell the success of Markus Howard as a 1st team All American. Tout Henry Ellenson as a nba 1st rd draft pick. If you approach DJ Carton, you give him the keys from day one. Karim Mane? Come on down kid, you’re my 2-guard from day 1. Marquette is an easy sell.
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I see MU as having a lot to highlight to recruits...a strong heritage in winning basketball. Top-shelf facilities. What program has a Fiserv Forum...walking distance from campus? Dedicated fan base. Basketball-only...not competing with football for attention. A basketball-centric Big East Conference. Plus, sell the success of Markus Howard as a 1st team All American. Tout Henry Ellenson as a nba 1st rd draft pick. If you approach DJ Carton, you give him the keys from day one. Karim Mane? Come on down kid, you’re my 2-guard from day 1. Marquette is an easy sell.
Henry was a first rounder no matter where we went to school. The best sell to top recruits at this point is playing time and lots of it.
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I forgot about Roseboro. he left of his own choice.
I have no recollection or Aaron Durley.
Sure he did...
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Wojo has proven to anyone who's been paying attention that -- unlike Buzz -- he's incapable of coaching anyone up. Shudder to think how far we'll drop when the talent pool dries up.
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Rothstein:
Sources: Illinois transfer Alan Griffin has cut his list to the following programs.
Miami
Syracuse
Dayton
Iowa State
Arizona
Texas
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Rothstein:
Sources: Illinois transfer Alan Griffin has cut his list to the following programs.
Miami
Syracuse
Dayton
Iowa State
Arizona
Texas
Too bad, but still give me Carton and Turner and it's all good.
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Wojo has proven to anyone who's been paying attention that -- unlike Buzz -- he's incapable of coaching anyone up. Shudder to think how far we'll drop when the talent pool dries up.
Who did Buzz “coach up?” Buzz was a better coach. Not a ton of his players developed from a nobody to a star. Butler developed a lot, Vander and Davante developed a decent amount, otherwise no more than what we’ve seen with Wojo’s players (JJJ, Markus, Sacar).
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Who did Buzz “coach up?” Buzz was a better coach. Not a ton of his players developed from a nobody to a star. Butler developed a lot, Vander and Davante developed a decent amount, otherwise no more than what we’ve seen with Wojo’s players (JJJ, Markus, Sacar).
LOL
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Good answer.
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LOL
Wades is right.
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Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
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Now
Xavier has landed a commitment from D-2 star Bryan Griffin of Mercy College in NY, he told @Stadium
. The 6-8, 230-pound big man averaged 19.6 points and 14.5 boards this season and will be able to play this season for Travis Steele and the Musketeers.
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Buzz took a collection of >5s and developed them into teams that enjoyed great success in March
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Good answer.
Agree to disagree. Vander progressed at a normal rate as did Jamil. But Jimmy was not a first round draft pick, Jae and Wes were not pros.
Davante became a significantly smarter player and not just a short burst low post scorer.
He changed DJames’ entire MO into a pass first PG.
What he did with Acker and Cubillan was awesome during the 2010 season. No excuses for small guards that year......
Buzz was tough and wasn’t for everyone, but the players who bought in made themselves better.
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Taylor Eldridge
@tayloreldridge
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Xavier, Marquette, Minnesota, Utah, Weber State, NJIT and Cal Baptist have already reached out to former Wichita State center Asbjorn Midtgaard, who entered his name in the transfer portal on Friday.
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Taylor Eldridge
@tayloreldridge
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Xavier, Marquette, Minnesota, Utah, Weber State, NJIT and Cal Baptist have already reached out to former Wichita State center Asbjorn Midtgaard, who entered his name in the transfer portal on Friday.
Interesting as a one year replacement for Theo in 21-22. Had some good numbers at WSU. He is now the 7th scholarship player at WSAu to enter the portal. Wow.
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Interesting as a one year replacement for Theo in 21-22. Had some good numbers at WSU. He is now the 7th scholarship player at WSAu to enter the portal. Wow.
I’d take him over the kid from American.
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Who did Buzz “coach up?” Buzz was a better coach. Not a ton of his players developed from a nobody to a star. Butler developed a lot, Vander and Davante developed a decent amount, otherwise no more than what we’ve seen with Wojo’s players (JJJ, Markus, Sacar).
Lol. This guy. What “nobody” has Wojo turned into a star?
Howard was on USA Basketball U-17 team and played at premier high school program at Findlay Prep in Vegas. Stan said he was a program changer ever before he stepped foot on campus. Plus Markus went back home to AZ every off season and trained with his brother.
Wojo has 1 guy who has played in NBA - Henry...which was inevitable.
Buzz? Wes, Lazar, Jimmy, Jae, Vander, DJO, Buycks, Jamil, and Juan. Everyone of those guys improved under Buzz and developed toughness that enabled them to make to NBA against all odds - even if just for a couple of 10-day contracts.
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I’d take him over the kid from American.
Yeah but still nothing spectacular. He's really just a guy. Unfortunately as of now there aren't any bigs even as good as Jayce that have put their name in the portal
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Interesting as a one year replacement for Theo in 21-22. Had some good numbers at WSU. He is now the 7th scholarship player at WSAu to enter the portal. Wow.
Averaged 1.5PPG and 2.0 RPG this past year 8 MPG
3.9PPG and 3.1 RPG in 18-19
1.2 and 1.9 as a Freshman.
These are terrible numbers. Very HARD pass. He's a nobody
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Lol. This guy. What “nobody” has Wojo turned into a star?
Howard was on USA Basketball U-17 team and played at premier high school program at Findlay Prep in Vegas. Stan said he was a program changer ever before he stepped foot on campus. Plus Markus went back home to AZ every off season and trained with his brother.
Wojo has 1 guy who has played in NBA - Henry...which was inevitable.
Buzz? Wes, Lazar, Jimmy, Jae, Vander, DJO, Buycks, Jamil, and Juan. Everyone of those guys improved under Buzz and developed toughness that enabled them to make to NBA against all odds - even if just for a couple of 10-day contracts.
Nail meet hammer, agree with this 100%
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Who did Buzz “coach up?” Buzz was a better coach. Not a ton of his players developed from a nobody to a star. Butler developed a lot, Vander and Davante developed a decent amount, otherwise no more than what we’ve seen with Wojo’s players (JJJ, Markus, Sacar).
Again, we have another ProWojer "not getting it".
Here's a list of all of the MU players playing Pro Ball overseas. Notice how not one on the list is a Wojo recruit. The rest are Crean, Buzz, or Transferred In
What does this tell you about Wojo and Recruiting/Development?
Davante Gardner (6'8''-PF-91, graduated '14, plays pro in Japan)
Travis Diener (6'1''-PG-82, graduated '05, plays pro in Italy)
Trent Lockett (6'5''-G-90, graduated '13, plays in Russia)
Derrick Wilson (6'1''-PG-92, graduated '15, plays pro in Denmark)
Jerel McNeal (6'3''-G-87, graduated '09, plays pro in Israel)
Katin Reinhardt (6'5''-G-93) plays for Ratiopharm Ulm in German BBL
Luke Fischer (6'11''-C-94) plays for Gran Canaria in Spanish Liga Endesa
Dwight Buycks (6'3''-PG-89) plays for Shenzhen Leopards in Chinese CBA
David Cubillan (5'11''-PG-87) plays for Guaros in Venezuelan LPB
Andrew Rowsey (5'11''-PG-94) plays for Szolnok in Hungarian A Division
Jamil Wilson (6'7''-F-90) plays for Fiat TO in Italian Serie A
Matt Carlino (6'3''-PG-92) plays for Chorale de Roanne Basket in French ProB
Chris Otule (6'11''-C-90) plays for Sharks Antibes in French Jeep ELITE ProA
Dominic James (5'11''-PG-86) plays for Al Sadd in Qatari D1
Darius Johnson-Odom (6'2''-PG-89) plays for Iowa Wolves in the NBA G League
Vander Blue (6'5''-SG-92) plays for Texas Legends in the NBA G League
Juan Toscano (6'6''-F-93) plays for Santa Cruz Warriors in the NBA G League
Niv Berkowitz (6'3''-SG-86) plays for Elitzur Ironi Ashkelon in Israeli National League
Ousmane Barro (6'10''-C/F-84) plays for CS Dinamo Bucuresti in Romanian Liga Nationala
Maurice Acker (5'8''-PG-87) plays for Lille Metropole Basket in French ProB
Todd Mayo (6'3''-G-91) plays for Pueblo Nuevo in Dominican Rep. Santiago League
Dwight Burke (6'8''-F-86) plays for Recy Saint-Martin in French NM1
Junior Cadougan (6'2''-G-90) plays for St. John's Edge in the NBL Canada
Lawrence Blackledge (6'9''-F-85) played for Golden Eagles in the The Basketball Tournament few monts ago
Jake Thomas (6'3''-G-91) played for Golden Eagles in the The Basketball Tournament last year
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Again, we have another ProWojer "not getting it".
Here's a list of all of the MU players playing Pro Ball overseas. Notice how not one on the list is a Wojo recruit. The rest are Crean, Buzz, or Transferred In
What does this tell you about Wojo and Recruiting/Development?
Davante Gardner (6'8''-PF-91, graduated '14, plays pro in Japan)
Travis Diener (6'1''-PG-82, graduated '05, plays pro in Italy)
Trent Lockett (6'5''-G-90, graduated '13, plays in Russia)
Derrick Wilson (6'1''-PG-92, graduated '15, plays pro in Denmark)
Jerel McNeal (6'3''-G-87, graduated '09, plays pro in Israel)
Katin Reinhardt (6'5''-G-93) plays for Ratiopharm Ulm in German BBL
Luke Fischer (6'11''-C-94) plays for Gran Canaria in Spanish Liga Endesa
Dwight Buycks (6'3''-PG-89) plays for Shenzhen Leopards in Chinese CBA
David Cubillan (5'11''-PG-87) plays for Guaros in Venezuelan LPB
Andrew Rowsey (5'11''-PG-94) plays for Szolnok in Hungarian A Division
Jamil Wilson (6'7''-F-90) plays for Fiat TO in Italian Serie A
Matt Carlino (6'3''-PG-92) plays for Chorale de Roanne Basket in French ProB
Chris Otule (6'11''-C-90) plays for Sharks Antibes in French Jeep ELITE ProA
Dominic James (5'11''-PG-86) plays for Al Sadd in Qatari D1
Darius Johnson-Odom (6'2''-PG-89) plays for Iowa Wolves in the NBA G League
Vander Blue (6'5''-SG-92) plays for Texas Legends in the NBA G League
Juan Toscano (6'6''-F-93) plays for Santa Cruz Warriors in the NBA G League
Niv Berkowitz (6'3''-SG-86) plays for Elitzur Ironi Ashkelon in Israeli National League
Ousmane Barro (6'10''-C/F-84) plays for CS Dinamo Bucuresti in Romanian Liga Nationala
Maurice Acker (5'8''-PG-87) plays for Lille Metropole Basket in French ProB
Todd Mayo (6'3''-G-91) plays for Pueblo Nuevo in Dominican Rep. Santiago League
Dwight Burke (6'8''-F-86) plays for Recy Saint-Martin in French NM1
Junior Cadougan (6'2''-G-90) plays for St. John's Edge in the NBL Canada
Lawrence Blackledge (6'9''-F-85) played for Golden Eagles in the The Basketball Tournament few monts ago
Jake Thomas (6'3''-G-91) played for Golden Eagles in the The Basketball Tournament last year
HAHA! So after all the crap NoJos have given Derrick and Jake Thomas, they are now FLAUNTING THEM!
My God! This is so good!
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Again, we have another ProWojer "not getting it".
Here's a list of all of the MU players playing Pro Ball overseas. Notice how not one on the list is a Wojo recruit. The rest are Crean, Buzz, or Transferred In
What does this tell you about Wojo and Recruiting/Development?
Davante Gardner (6'8''-PF-91, graduated '14, plays pro in Japan)
Travis Diener (6'1''-PG-82, graduated '05, plays pro in Italy)
Trent Lockett (6'5''-G-90, graduated '13, plays in Russia)
Derrick Wilson (6'1''-PG-92, graduated '15, plays pro in Denmark)
Jerel McNeal (6'3''-G-87, graduated '09, plays pro in Israel)
Katin Reinhardt (6'5''-G-93) plays for Ratiopharm Ulm in German BBL
Luke Fischer (6'11''-C-94) plays for Gran Canaria in Spanish Liga Endesa
Dwight Buycks (6'3''-PG-89) plays for Shenzhen Leopards in Chinese CBA
David Cubillan (5'11''-PG-87) plays for Guaros in Venezuelan LPB
Andrew Rowsey (5'11''-PG-94) plays for Szolnok in Hungarian A Division
Jamil Wilson (6'7''-F-90) plays for Fiat TO in Italian Serie A
Matt Carlino (6'3''-PG-92) plays for Chorale de Roanne Basket in French ProB
Chris Otule (6'11''-C-90) plays for Sharks Antibes in French Jeep ELITE ProA
Dominic James (5'11''-PG-86) plays for Al Sadd in Qatari D1
Darius Johnson-Odom (6'2''-PG-89) plays for Iowa Wolves in the NBA G League
Vander Blue (6'5''-SG-92) plays for Texas Legends in the NBA G League
Juan Toscano (6'6''-F-93) plays for Santa Cruz Warriors in the NBA G League
Niv Berkowitz (6'3''-SG-86) plays for Elitzur Ironi Ashkelon in Israeli National League
Ousmane Barro (6'10''-C/F-84) plays for CS Dinamo Bucuresti in Romanian Liga Nationala
Maurice Acker (5'8''-PG-87) plays for Lille Metropole Basket in French ProB
Todd Mayo (6'3''-G-91) plays for Pueblo Nuevo in Dominican Rep. Santiago League
Dwight Burke (6'8''-F-86) plays for Recy Saint-Martin in French NM1
Junior Cadougan (6'2''-G-90) plays for St. John's Edge in the NBL Canada
Lawrence Blackledge (6'9''-F-85) played for Golden Eagles in the The Basketball Tournament few monts ago
Jake Thomas (6'3''-G-91) played for Golden Eagles in the The Basketball Tournament last year
This is so very dumb.
Tell us, how many Wojo recruits were no longer in college at the start of the 2019 season?
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Lol. This guy. What “nobody” has Wojo turned into a star?
Howard was on USA Basketball U-17 team and played at premier high school program at Findlay Prep in Vegas. Stan said he was a program changer ever before he stepped foot on campus. Plus Markus went back home to AZ every off season and trained with his brother.
Wojo has 1 guy who has played in NBA - Henry...which was inevitable.
Buzz? Wes, Lazar, Jimmy, Jae, Vander, DJO, Buycks, Jamil, and Juan. Everyone of those guys improved under Buzz and developed toughness that enabled them to make to NBA against all odds - even if just for a couple of 10-day contracts.
Oh. So now players only show development if they were a "nobody" and turned into a "star?!"
This guy! Says Wes, Lazar, Jae, Vander, DJO, Jamil, and Juan were "nobodys" who "turned into stars."
Get a freaking clue lol. Absolutely embarrassing, but the comedic value you bring is outstanding. I really wish you hadn't been banned 5 times here (the fact that you're back here after being banned 5 times is straight up comedy in and of itself).
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Averaged 1.5PPG and 2.0 RPG this past year 8 MPG
3.9PPG and 3.1 RPG in 18-19
1.2 and 1.9 as a Freshman.
These are terrible numbers. Very HARD pass. He's a nobody
sure, but once he gets on the Ed Morrow / Jayce Johnson program those numbers will double!
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Lol. This guy. What “nobody” has Wojo turned into a star?
Howard was on USA Basketball U-17 team and played at premier high school program at Findlay Prep in Vegas. Stan said he was a program changer ever before he stepped foot on campus. Plus Markus went back home to AZ every off season and trained with his brother.
Wojo has 1 guy who has played in NBA - Henry...which was inevitable.
Buzz? Wes, Lazar, Jimmy, Jae, Vander, DJO, Buycks, Jamil, and Juan. Everyone of those guys improved under Buzz and developed toughness that enabled them to make to NBA against all odds - even if just for a couple of 10-day contracts.
Wes plays 1 year under Buzz and you give Buzz credit. Juan plays 1 year under Wojo and you give Buzz credit.
I swear I'm surprised you haven't given Buzz credit for Deonte Burton too.
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I'm pretty sure Rowsey transferred in under Wojo
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Lol. This guy. What “nobody” has Wojo turned into a star?
Howard was on USA Basketball U-17 team and played at premier high school program at Findlay Prep in Vegas. Stan said he was a program changer ever before he stepped foot on campus. Plus Markus went back home to AZ every off season and trained with his brother.
Wojo has 1 guy who has played in NBA - Henry...which was inevitable.
Buzz? Wes, Lazar, Jimmy, Jae, Vander, DJO, Buycks, Jamil, and Juan. Everyone of those guys improved under Buzz and developed toughness that enabled them to make to NBA against all odds - even if just for a couple of 10-day contracts.
There's a lot of this post that I disagree with but I don't feel like re-hashing old arguments. If you're giving Wes and Lazar to Buzz then you have to give Juan to Wojo. Juan played one season under Wojo, scored over half of his collegiate points and had by far his highest eFG% season on greatly increased volume. Juan shot 49% overall and 35% from 3 as a senior under Wojo. His previous highs were 38% and 29%, respectively.
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So it took Anderson 4 years to get to the NBA after graduating and you are giving Buzz credit? I enjoy laughing at you guys. Thanks.
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This is so very dumb.
Tell us, how many Wojo recruits were no longer in college at the start of the 2019 season?
To answer Pakuni. It's five total recruits not playing in college this year. One is Ike. The others are Cohen, Ellenson, Heldt, and Carter. So of the recruits no longer in college, Wojo has gotten 20 percent of them drafted in the first round of the NBA. Twenty-five if you want to give him a pass about Ike.
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Let me know when Wojo is mentioned in an article like this:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2312571-how-trail-blazers-wes-matthews-took-being-underrated-to-the-next-level
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To answer Pakuni. It's five total recruits not playing in college this year. One is Ike. The others are Cohen, Ellenson, Heldt, and Carter. So of the recruits no longer in college, Wojo has gotten 20 percent of them drafted in the first round of the NBA. Twenty-five if you want to give him a pass about Ike.
And next year it will be 2/7
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Let me know when Wojo is mentioned in an article like this:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2312571-how-trail-blazers-wes-matthews-took-being-underrated-to-the-next-level
We know. Buzz is a miracle worker. Just look at what he did for Jake Thomas and Derrick Wilson. Your list is unarguable. You win.
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To answer Pakuni. It's five total recruits not playing in college this year. One is Ike. The others are Cohen, Ellenson, Heldt, and Carter. So of the recruits no longer in college, Wojo has gotten 20 percent of them drafted in the first round of the NBA. Twenty-five if you want to give him a pass about Ike.
Nope.
Traci Carter played at the University of Hartford this year.
Sandy Cohen played for Maccabi Tel Aviv, which is traditionally one of the best clubs in the EuroLeague.
Heldt and Ellenson are the two others not in college.
Now we can see why Mike Deane's list is dumb.
I's mighty generous to give Wojo a pass on Ike. It's obvious Wojo demotivated him into a career-ending back injury.
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It appears MU is signing 6’5” UNLV transfer Jonah Antonio from Australia. 247Sports lists him as a jr., but I believe he’s a grad transfer with one yr. available.
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It appears MU is signing 6’5” UNLV transfer Jonah Antonio from Australia. 247Sports lists him as a jr., but I believe he’s a grad transfer with one yr. available.
Bailey Lite: Can shoot the 3, but is horrible from inside the arc shooting 27% from field last year.. Shot 42% from the FT line. This reeks of desperation if this is a #DoneDeal
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Bailey Lite: Can shoot the 3, but is horrible from inside the arc shooting 27% from field last year.. Shot 42% from the FT line. This reeks of desperation if this is a #DoneDeal
How would it “wreak of desperation?” It wreaks of “we have open spots and a 6’5” shooter wants to join a roster that could use some shooters.”
Maybe Maryland, Georgia, BYU, Xavier, and Illinois were desperate too.
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It appears MU is signing 6’5” UNLV transfer Jonah Antonio from Australia. 247Sports lists him as a jr., but I believe he’s a grad transfer with one yr. available.
Based on?? Do you have a source? There's nothing on twitter
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How would it “wreak of desperation?” It wreaks of “we have open spots and a 6’5” shooter wants to join a roster that could use some shooters.”
Maybe Maryland, Georgia, BYU, Xavier, and Illinois were desperate too.
He was a bad shooter at Mount St. Mary’s and a really bad shooter at UNLV.
He doesn’t really do anything else.
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How would it “wreak of desperation?” It wreaks of “we have open spots and a 6’5” shooter wants to join a roster that could use some shooters.”
Maybe Maryland, Georgia, BYU, Xavier, and Illinois were desperate too.
Well I don't think that this is true, but IF it is...you have 3 scholarships available..what if you can get Turner, Carton and Mane, but instead you took Antonio?? Then what??
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How would it “wreak of desperation?” It wreaks of “we have open spots and a 6’5” shooter wants to join a roster that could use some shooters.”
Maybe Maryland, Georgia, BYU, Xavier, and Illinois were desperate too.
Please tell me the lineup you have on the court with him...... I'd love to hear this.
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A career 32.5% three point shooter who was like the 8th man for a middle-of-the-road Mountain West team? He's not even the best grad transfer we targeted from UNLV. Hope either this report is wrong or Antonio is way better than I'd anticipate.
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A career 32.5% three point shooter who was like the 8th man for a middle-of-the-road Mountain West team? He's not even the best grad transfer we targeted from UNLV. Hope either this report is wrong or Antonio is way better than I'd anticipate.
Go back and look at the poster's history..draw your own conclusions, but it sure looks like a "stir the pot" post to me.
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A career 32.5% three point shooter who was like the 8th man for a middle-of-the-road Mountain West team? He's not even the best grad transfer we targeted from UNLV. Hope either this report is wrong or Antonio is way better than I'd anticipate.
There is no report. The "source" is a 13 post random who has not provided a real source, not even speculation from a random twitter egg account.
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Yes. Stan sold the F out of MU and Wojo. Lots of playing time available to sell this past recruiting cycle. Didn’t have to sell against another year end implosion either. Losing Sam and Joey opened up a lot of PT.
Question: What grade do you give Wojo so far?
I give Wojo a C+ but expected better. You never addressed your contradictory posts. One day Stan was responsible for all of our recruits and the next day you said that recruits commit to the head coach...which is it?
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Refer to grad transfers, 247Sports. Unless the site is bs, which I don’t think it is, they list MU as 100%. I don’t think Wojo will take a total stiff knowing he’s on thin ice. And, maybe Turner has indicated ‘no thanks’. This still leaves room for Carton and Mane, or a ‘big’. Personally, give me a bunch of 3/4’s and let’s run like hell.
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Refer to grad transfers, 247Sports. Unless the site is bs, which I don’t think it is, they list MU as 100%. I don’t think Wojo will take a total stiff knowing he’s on thin ice. And, maybe Turner has indicated ‘no thanks’. This still leaves room for Carton and Mane, or a ‘big’. Personally, give me a bunch of 3/4’s and let’s run like hell.
Well...that's a crystal ball prediction, but it's from Brian Snow yesterday. This could be nothing more than speculation based on MU might be the best school on his list. Think if this was going to happen, it would have come out by now.
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Woj on thin ice? Hoo new, hey?
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Refer to grad transfers, 247Sports. Unless the site is bs, which I don’t think it is, they list MU as 100%. I don’t think Wojo will take a total stiff knowing he’s on thin ice. And, maybe Turner has indicated ‘no thanks’. This still leaves room for Carton and Mane, or a ‘big’. Personally, give me a bunch of 3/4’s and let’s run like hell.
Ahh, so nothing then. Every now and then some random poster pops on and knows something. Glad that's not the case.
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MUGURU I hope you’re correct. I’d say there are better 2/3-type players out there.
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Well I don't think that this is true, but IF it is...you have 3 scholarships available..what if you can get Turner, Carton and Mane, but instead you took Antonio?? Then what??
There’s not a chance in hell that these 3 (Turner, Carton & Mane) “free agent” Guards all come to an MU program that already has 4 Guards on the roster. I don’t think it’s realistic to think that both Mane & Carton would both pick MU...but it would be nice!
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There’s not a chance in hell that these 3 (Turner, Carton & Mane) “free agent” Guards all come to an MU program that already has 4 Guards on the roster. I don’t think it’s realistic to think that both Mane & Carton would both pick MU...but it would be nice!
I don't disagree but until one has committed someplace else, there's always a chance. By the way, all three of those guards would be demonstrably better than any of the current Guards are.
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MU hopefully gets one, whoever
Decides on MU that player wants the ball on his hands!
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michigan state is working on Mane hard. But unless Stan Johnson's departure is a deal breaker for him, Marquette was his first official visit and the MU staff has been in for visits. Advantage Marquette. However, Mane is probably 1dun anyway. Hence, is Turner the better option? Also 1 yr. rental, but comes with D-1 experience and knows Cain and Elliott. Either way, Marquette is a better team next season.
Carton? There’s 30 mins. of PT every night. Marquette recruited him hard when in HS. Wojo made an in-house visit. Again, advantage Marquette.
Flip side...get none of the above? Is it ok to pray for a college basketball team?
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I'm of the opinion that the AAC is a mid-major conference, others say they are a high major conference. So in my perception, yes, UConn was a high major, now a mid major, and are about to become a high major again. I don't understand why you would think that a team's status couldn't change.
The AAC had 3 teams in the Football top 25. They are not a mid major conference.
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The AAC had 3 teams in the Football top 25. They are not a mid major conference.
Finally! Some football talk.
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The AAC had 3 teams in the Football top 25. They are not a mid major conference.
I am talking about basketball not football. I don't know if high, mid, and low major is a thing in college football, but there's a reason why the AAC is not in the P5.
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A career 32.5% three point shooter who was like the 8th man for a middle-of-the-road Mountain West team? He's not even the best grad transfer we targeted from UNLV. Hope either this report is wrong or Antonio is way better than I'd anticipate.
I'm also unimpressed with Anonio's numbers, but he does have several high majors chasing him so Wojo isn't the only one who sees something there. My guess is that coaches are intrigued by him making over 90 3Ps as a freshman. Supposedly his shooting hand was injured this past season and impacted his shot, no idea how accurate that report is. Still, even if he becomes a 40% 3P shooter (big if), I can't see him doing much beyond being a 10 minute a game 3P specialist off the bench.
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I'm also unimpressed with Anonio's numbers, but he does have several high majors chasing him so Wojo isn't the only one who sees something there. My guess is that coaches are intrigued by him making over 90 3Ps as a freshman. Supposedly his shooting hand was injured this past season and impacted his shot, no idea how accurate that report is. Still, even if he becomes a 40% 3P shooter (big if), I can't see him doing much beyond being a 10 minute a game 3P specialist off the bench.
All that says to me is he's an okay NEC player. He made 90 threes, but against D1 competition he made 83/251 (33.1%) and just 7/31 (22.6%) against top-100 opponents. He made a lot because he took a lot, not because he was an efficient three point shooter.
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I am talking about basketball not football. I don't know if high, mid, and low major is a thing in college football, but there's a reason why the AAC is not in the P5.
Yes, TV money.
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For the love of God, can we please try and keep this thread to potential transfer candidates?
Can we not derail the 10,000th thread arguing about Buzz and Wojo, Derrick unnatural carnal knowledgeing Wilson and Jake Thomas, high-major vs. low-major?
Jesus Christ, Marquette hoops is one of the few outlets we have during this crap time....let's make it halfway decent for once.
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Who was better recruit? Derrick Wilson or Jake Thomas?
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Who was better recruit? Derrick Wilson or Jake Thomas?
Would you rather die by falling into a pool of hot lava or by getting your head chopped off by a guillotine?
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Would you rather die by falling into a pool of hot lava or by getting your head chopped off by a guillotine?
Nice work.
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Would you rather die by falling into a pool of hot lava or by getting your head chopped off by a guillotine?
Guillotine. Much quicker.
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Fortunately, we didn't have to choose. As his farewell gift, Buzz gave us both in the most dynamic backcourt ever!
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this Corona transfer season has been the wild wild west. Players committing to programs without stepping foot on campuses, or meeting coaches/teammates in person. I personally didn't think kids would ramp things up this quick, but much like musical chairs, everyone wants to find a seat and not be left out in cold.
As long as Wojo can still land even just one from that A tier of K.Mane, J.Turner, D.Carton, A.Griffin it is a win with the incoming freshman arriving.
Jonah Antonio & Abjorn Midtgaard - would be underwhelming to say the least
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Who did Buzz “coach up?” Buzz was a better coach. Not a ton of his players developed from a nobody to a star. Butler developed a lot, Vander and Davante developed a decent amount, otherwise no more than what we’ve seen with Wojo’s players (JJJ, Markus, Sacar).
Butler also kept developing in the pros. Some players peak early. Dominic James peaked as a freshmen. Other players peak later. Crawford and Mckaskill(sp) were other players, who just kept getting better. I doubt anybody in high school would of projected them as NBA players. Coaches can tell players what to work on how to work on it, but players that have peaked will not get significantly better.
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this Corona transfer season has been the wild wild west. Players committing to programs without stepping foot on campuses, or meeting coaches/teammates in person. I personally didn't think kids would ramp things up this quick, but much like musical chairs, everyone wants to find a seat and not be left out in cold.
As long as Wojo can still land even just one from that A tier of K.Mane, J.Turner, D.Carton, A.Griffin it is a win with the incoming freshman arriving.
Jonah Antonio & Abjorn Midtgaard - would be underwhelming to say the least
I'm fine with Antonio if he is the 12th or 13th guy and 5th or 6th guard option. But he needs to be behind Koby, Greg, Sy, Mane/Carton/Turner, and maybe Dex.
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Ari Rosenfeld
@ARosenfeldHoops
Per
@DelgrecoWilson
, Binghamton transfer Sam Sessoms will announce his commitment tonight at 6:00.
I’m told Sessoms will be choosing among Wichita State, Marquette, Rutgers, Penn State, UConn. The
@ShipleySports
alum averaged 19.4p/5.0r/4.8a as a sophomore, has two years to play
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Really good AE article on how MU got into this.
https://www.anonymouseagle.com/2020/3/30/21198752/marquette-golden-eagles-basketball-transfer-recruiting-why-are-there-so-many-guards
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I wouldn’t hate Sessoms. I don’t think there’s a realistic shot of both Mane and Carton, so Sessoms and one of those two would be great.
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Really good AE article on how MU got into this.
https://www.anonymouseagle.com/2020/3/30/21198752/marquette-golden-eagles-basketball-transfer-recruiting-why-are-there-so-many-guards
Brutally honest and offers a good outline as to why so many are frustrated.
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I wouldn’t hate Sessoms. I don’t think there’s a realistic shot of both Mane and Carton, so Sessoms and one of those two would be great.
2 of these three and the outlook next year is WAY different : Carton, Mane, Turner
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Sam Sessoms chose Penn State University.
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https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1244749124756484100?s=20
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Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
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Radford grad transfer Carlik Jones has trimmed his list to:
Louisville, West Virginia, Gonzaga, Maryland, Texas Tech, Michigan State, Marquette and Radford.
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Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
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Radford grad transfer Carlik Jones has trimmed his list to:
Louisville, West Virginia, Gonzaga, Maryland, Texas Tech, Michigan State, Marquette and Radford.
Now that would be interesting..Hey Carlik how do you feel about filling that Markus-sized hole in our roster?
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https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1244749124756484100?s=20
Now that's a Theo backup I could get behind. High efficiency guy that can stretch the floor and be a legitimate change of pace. If he's willing to play the 5 (which he did at Rice) I'm in.
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Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
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Radford grad transfer Carlik Jones has trimmed his list to:
Louisville, West Virginia, Gonzaga, Maryland, Texas Tech, Michigan State, Marquette and Radford.
If I could have 1 grad transfer, this would be it. Stiff competition though
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Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
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Radford grad transfer Carlik Jones has trimmed his list to:
Louisville, West Virginia, Gonzaga, Maryland, Texas Tech, Michigan State, Marquette and Radford.
The two programs (plus the only other program that has hosted an official visit) thought to be the favorites for Mane both in on a scoring guard grad transfer.
Seems like things are moving very slowly with Mane. Or not moving at all.
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Really good AE article on how MU got into this.
https://www.anonymouseagle.com/2020/3/30/21198752/marquette-golden-eagles-basketball-transfer-recruiting-why-are-there-so-many-guards
Agree. It was an interesting read and offered a lot of good insight. I wish we weren't in the predicament where we had to go find some guards at the last minute to play next season.
Still, although I am NOT saying Wojo = Buzz, let's not forget that our previous coach, in his 6th season, had to play the worst starting backcourt in modern Marquette history a combined 61 mpg.
Plus, I DO want my coach to go after top recruits. Sometimes, we do land an Ellenson, a Howard and a Garcia -- and hopefully a Mane. But yes, it would be nice if he would land some 100-200s that he could develop or better develop the more lightly recruited guys he does land.
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If I could have 1 grad transfer, this would be it. Stiff competition though
+1...however and it's not just you TAMU so don't think I'm singling you out...I hate statements like "stiff competition" when it comes to recruiting. I personally think it's demeaning to MU, it's like they can't compete, and they should be able to compete with anyone.
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Sessoms picks Penn State.
EDIT: Sorry, I missed that it was previously posted by Markusquette
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+1...however and it's not just you TAMU so don't think I'm singling you out...I hate statements like "stiff competition" when it comes to recruiting. I personally think it's demeaning to MU, it's like they can't compete, and they should be able to compete with anyone.
I like to think MU is stiff competition for the others, too.
Stiff competition means only that. It doesn't mean "can't compete." It's just a fact.
Minnesota and Texas gave MU stiff competition for Garcia ... but we still landed him.
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I like to think MU is stiff competition for the others, too.
Stiff competition means only that. It doesn't mean "can't compete." It's just a fact.
Minnesota and Texas gave MU stiff competition for Garcia ... but we still landed him.
This kind of makes my point MU82...I'd be really curious to know if when fans from other teams see Marquette on the same list as someone they are recruiting if they think they are "stiff competition"?? I mean that in all honesty. It just seems like so many times posters here will see a list of schools on someone that MU is recruiting, and depending on the schools think MU will essentially have no chance. Not saying at all that's what TAMU is insinuating here, he's not(I don't think). But I see it a lot from MU posters when it comes to recruiting...they see a list and say "not a chance in hell he comes to MU". I'd like to see that mindset change, and instead of MU being the hunter so to speak, they become the hunted to their own fans.
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I think a lot of that comes from either going in for a blue chipper against a BB that is known to have bag droppers (Grimes KU), or where there is another inherent disadvantage (getting Nico to leave his home warm state of Arizona and come to Milwaukee). If it's a situation where it's just a straight up recruiting battle, I feel much better about our chances even if we don't end up coming out on top. We obviously got Garcia, up until that last minute I felt we had just as good of a chance as anyone for Davis. I have a similar feeling about some of the current "big fish" we're in on.
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This kid is from Chicago.. Shot 33% from 3 on the year, but did shoot 48% from 3 in MAC play, albeit on only 29 attempts(14-29).
Jeff Borzello
@jeffborzello
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Western Michigan forward Brandon Johnson is expected to graduate and transfer, sources told ESPN. Third-team All-MAC this past season, averaged 15.4 points and 8.1 rebounds.
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Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
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Western Michigan has now lost its top two scorers after promoting assistant Clayton Bates to the head spot.
Brandon Johnson (15.4 ppg) was in the portal earlier and leading scorer and junior guard Michael Flowers (17 ppg) told @Stadium
he has put his name in the portal.
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This kind of makes my point MU82...I'd be really curious to know if when fans from other teams see Marquette on the same list as someone they are recruiting if they think they are "stiff competition"?? I mean that in all honesty. It just seems like so many times posters here will see a list of schools on someone that MU is recruiting, and depending on the schools think MU will essentially have no chance. Not saying at all that's what TAMU is insinuating here, he's not(I don't think). But I see it a lot from MU posters when it comes to recruiting...they see a list and say "not a chance in hell he comes to MU". I'd like to see that mindset change, and instead of MU being the hunter so to speak, they become the hunted to their own fans.
I think you're reading too much into all this, guru. I don't think you're doing it maliciously or anything, but I do think that's what you're doing.
I don't really care what fans of Kentucky or UTEP or Long Beach State think about Marquette. I'm not sure why you do. I think I'm a pretty objective, realistic guy, while also being an optimist. When I see we are recruiting a stud, I get all the information and try to make a reasoned opinion on whether we have a legit chance. I thought we had a legit chance at Garcia and Ellenson and, yes, Grimes. The fact that I thought we faced "stiff competition" to land them, because other great programs and even bluebloods in some cases were after them doesn't mean anything other than that. If Kansas fans didn't consider Marquette to be "stiff competition" for Grimes ... I don't know and I don't care.
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Just saw on his twitter that Travis Evee from VMI is transferring. Sit one, play 3. He was their leading scorer this year as a true freshman - averaged 12.6ppg, 36% 3fg on 6.5 attempts per game. Had some big games against solid competition: 26 pts @ Duquesne, 20 pts @ Virginia Tech, 23 pts vs ETSU. 6ft pg, lean build, not an explosive athlete but a really good kid and smart player, good shooter, lefty.
Interesting note, he did a prep year at Vermont academy and started in the backcourt alongside Symir. Him and Sy are good friends. Prior to that he played 4 years at BC High, he was a stud there. Really good kid, hard worker. He played with my little brother so I’ve seen him play a bunch. I haven’t watched him since high school so I’m not sure if he’s quite good enough to be a difference maker in the BE but someone to keep an eye on. Sy liked and retweeted Travis’ tweet about transferring fwiw.
Highlights - https://youtu.be/GDlFEEU_xY4
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Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
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Western Michigan has now lost its top two scorers after promoting assistant Clayton Bates to the head spot.
Brandon Johnson (15.4 ppg) was in the portal earlier and leading scorer and junior guard Michael Flowers (17 ppg) told @Stadium
he has put his name in the portal.
Bolded for new info
I was told if assistants were promoted every current player and committed recruit would stay at their school
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It took awhile to get up, but the first edition of Paint Touches' free agent tracker is live. My personal take on who the top grad transfer available are:
https://painttouches.com/2020/03/31/ncaa-free-agent-tracker-march-31st-edition/
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It took awhile to get up, but the first edition of Paint Touches' free agent tracker is live. My personal take on who the top grad transfer available are:
https://painttouches.com/2020/03/31/ncaa-free-agent-tracker-march-31st-edition/
Pretty telling that Jonah Antonio didn't even make the honorable mention.
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This kind of makes my point MU82...I'd be really curious to know if when fans from other teams see Marquette on the same list as someone they are recruiting if they think they are "stiff competition"?? I mean that in all honesty. It just seems like so many times posters here will see a list of schools on someone that MU is recruiting, and depending on the schools think MU will essentially have no chance. Not saying at all that's what TAMU is insinuating here, he's not(I don't think). But I see it a lot from MU posters when it comes to recruiting...they see a list and say "not a chance in hell he comes to MU". I'd like to see that mindset change, and instead of MU being the hunter so to speak, they become the hunted to their own fans.
These are two very different things. And TAMU didn't say the latter.
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But I see it a lot from MU posters when it comes to recruiting...they see a list and say "not a chance in hell he comes to MU". I'd like to see that mindset change, and instead of MU being the hunter so to speak, they become the hunted to their own fans.
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This is what we called quarantine bored
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Xavier 247 writer thinks Missouri favorites for Justin Turner and that X wont be a serious player despite making final cut
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Pretty telling that Jonah Antonio didn't even make the honorable mention.
Yep, on paper I don't see anything that gets me excited about him. However, I do believe in the old adage that who is recruiting you is often more telling then anything else. He doesn't have any blue bloods chasing him, but he's got a few respectable high majors giving him a call. Those coaches are certainly more qualified than I am when it comes to evaluating talent.
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Can someone who is following this closer than I am give me a summary of what transfers were still in on that haven't announced?
Carlick Jones (grad PG)
Bryce Aiken (grad PG)
Justin Turner (grad SG)
Amauri Hardy (grad PG)
DJ Carton (sit 1, play 3 PG)
Mark Gasperini (grad big)
Who am I missing?
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Can someone who is following this closer than I am give me a summary of what transfers were still in on that haven't announced?
Carlick Jones (grad PG)
Bryce Aiken (grad PG)
Justin Turner (grad SG)
Amauri Hardy (grad PG)
DJ Carton (sit 1, play 3 PG)
Mark Gasperini (grad big)
Who am I missing?
Darius Perry (grad PG)
Ryan Murphy (grad SG)
Jonah Antonio (grad SG)
Darius Banks (sit 1, play 1 SG)
Trey Murphy (sit 1, play 2 PF)
Jamarius Burton (sit 1, play 2 PG)
Asbjorn Mitdgaard (sit 1, play 1 big)
Tyrese Martin (sit 1, play 2 SG)
Landers Nolley (sig 1, play 3 PF)
I think that's all of them. Some of these guys may have trimmed their lists and I missed it
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Darius Perry (grad PG)
Ryan Murphy (grad SG)
Jonah Antonio (grad SG)
Darius Banks (sit 1, play 1 SG)
Trey Murphy (sit 1, play 2 PF)
Jamarius Burton (sit 1, play 2 PG)
Asbjorn Mitdgaard (sit 1, play 1 big)
Tyrese Martin (sit 1, play 2 SG)
Landers Nolley (sig 1, play 3 PF)
I think that's all of them. Some of these guys may have trimmed their lists and I missed it
Thanks TAMU. Appreciate the response and all the work you do to keep us all informed on this stuff. Cheers.
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Darius Perry (grad PG)
Ryan Murphy (grad SG)
Jonah Antonio (grad SG)
Darius Banks (sit 1, play 1 SG)
Trey Murphy (sit 1, play 2 PF)
Jamarius Burton (sit 1, play 2 PG)
Asbjorn Mitdgaard (sit 1, play 1 big)
Tyrese Martin (sit 1, play 2 SG)
Landers Nolley (sig 1, play 3 PF)
I think that's all of them. Some of these guys may have trimmed their lists and I missed it
Also - maybe Wojo is confident that traditional transfers will be eligible right away, but I am surprised we're only after 1 grad transfer big (Gasperini). We really need some insurance behind Theo, even if the guy isn't the sexiest. Which is why I am fine with Gasperini, assuming other two spots go to some combination of Mane/Carton/Jones/Turner/Aiken.
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Also - maybe Wojo is confident that traditional transfers will be eligible right away, but I am surprised we're only after 1 grad transfer big (Gasperini). We really need some insurance behind Theo, even if the guy isn't the sexiest. Which is why I am fine with Gasperini, assuming other two spots go to some combination of Mane/Carton/Jones/Turner/Aiken.
I was thinking about this recently. I would like another center behind Theo but I'm not as angsty as I once was over it. Garcia has the size to play the 5 and I think that could lead to some fun uptempo lineups. My concern with that was him defending other 5s but then I started to think about the rosters of the other Big East teams. The biggest baddest bigs from last season are all graduating or likely to go pro. Gill, Yurtseven, Jones, JRE, Young, Reed...they're all likely not in conference next season. Most of our conference mates don't have big bruisers next season but more players like Garcia, face up bigs who like to stretch the defense. Watson at Providence, Carlton at UConn, and maybe Wahab at Georgetown are the only three bigs I'd be worried about Garcia getting overwhelmed by physically. Epperson too if he is healthy. All the others, it may be an advantage to have a lighter quicker forward at backup C.
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From Racine...
Evan Daniels
@EvanDaniels
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Sacred Heart guard Koreem Ozier is in the NCAA Transfer Portal, per a source. Averaged 14 PPG and made 60 three-pointers on the season.
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TAMU. You forgot Epperson at Creighton coming back although he has some 3 pt range. I would also like a C to back Theo up, especially with the possibility of him needing surgery. With the CoronaVirus who knows if what Theo needs can be considered elective and put off until a much later time impacting his recovery time greatly. But I've also read the coaching staff thinks Osa and Lewis flexibility allows them to play the 5. And as you mentioned, the guys they'll face in conference aren't bruisers so going with athleticism over brute force may be the way to go.
Everyone stay healthy.
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Jeff Goodman @GoodmanHoops
San Francisco’s leading scorer, Charles Minlend, is in the portal, source told @Stadium. 6-4 junior guard averaged 14.4 points and 4.7 boards this past season. Will be a grad transfer.
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TAMU. You forgot Epperson at Creighton coming back although he has some 3 pt range. I would also like a C to back Theo up, especially with the possibility of him needing surgery. With the CoronaVirus who knows if what Theo needs can be considered elective and put off until a much later time impacting his recovery time greatly. But I've also read the coaching staff thinks Osa and Lewis flexibility allows them to play the 5. And as you mentioned, the guys they'll face in conference aren't bruisers so going with athleticism over brute force may be the way to go.
Everyone stay healthy.
Agreed, though I didn't forget Epperson ;D
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Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
Rice 6-8 sophomore forward Drew Peterson is in the portal, per source.
Stats: 11.1 ppg. 6.5 rpg
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Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
Rice 6-8 sophomore forward Drew Peterson is in the portal, per source.
Stats: 11.1 ppg. 6.5 rpg
He's from the northern suburbs of Chicago and was all-state in Illinois. I don't think Marquette had any interest in him coming out of high school.
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He's from the northern suburbs of Chicago and was all-state in Illinois. I don't think Marquette had any interest in him coming out of high school.
Why would they, given the whole killing his ex-wife thing.
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Why would they, given the whole killing his ex-wife thing.
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(https://i.imgflip.com/3utbfs.jpg)
OK, that's the biggest laugh I have had in awhile.
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Tremendous work, Pride.
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Another low for Scoop. :'(. Some just have no sense of decency.
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Another low for Scoop. :'(. Some just have no sense of decency.
What???
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Another low for Scoop. :'(. Some just have no sense of decency.
Lighten up Francis
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I would like another center behind Theo ...
Could really use a Harry Froling right about now.
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Also - maybe Wojo is confident that traditional transfers will be eligible right away, but I am surprised we're only after 1 grad transfer big (Gasperini). We really need some insurance behind Theo, even if the guy isn't the sexiest. Which is why I am fine with Gasperini, assuming other two spots go to some combination of Mane/Carton/Jones/Turner/Aiken.
I do not like this immediate transfer thing. We have three freshmen that I am pretty excited about. The thought that they can jus jump ship after one year makes me nervous. I rather see them all get huge playing time, than bring in a grad transfer that would reduce their playing time. The way I see it is that the more they play the less likely they will just decide to go else where after their freshmen year.
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Lighten up Francis
Nope, that was beyond tacky.
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Nope, that was beyond tacky.
It was obviously a joke. I doubt that he would be offended.
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It was obviously a joke. I doubt that he would be offended.
Obviously a very tasteless joke. But, then, this is Scoop. :(
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nm
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Obviously a very tasteless joke. But, then, this is Scoop. :(
Only if you’re an extreme prude.
And your participation on the board is completely voluntary.
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I do not like this immediate transfer thing. We have three freshmen that I am pretty excited about. The thought that they can jus jump ship after one year makes me nervous. I rather see them all get huge playing time, than bring in a grad transfer that would reduce their playing time. The way I see it is that the more they play the less likely they will just decide to go else where after their freshmen year.
The freshman guys will get plenty of PT. If they're scared about a little competition, they were overrated to begin with. I want to win - getting 1 grad transfer guard and 1 grad transfer big, and then the best possible traditional transfer we can get our hands on (hopefully Carton) is the best option. Plus, Wojo is never going to just light 3 scholarships on fire to keep Garcia/Oso/Lewis happy.
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Obviously a very tasteless joke. But, then, this is Scoop. :(
It is what it is...will never change.
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Jon Rothstein
@JonRothstein
American grad transfer Mark Gasperini has committed to UMass, per his Twitter page.
Immediately eligible.
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Guess we're rolling with just Theo and then undersized/out of position backups at the 5 next season.
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Evan Daniels
@EvanDaniels
CSU Northridge guard Terrell Gomez is in the Transfer Portal, per a source. Averaged 19.8 PPG and shot 44% from three on 252 attempts this season.
He's only 5'8"
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Evan Daniels
@EvanDaniels
CSU Northridge guard Terrell Gomez is in the Transfer Portal, per a source. Averaged 19.8 PPG and shot 44% from three on 252 attempts this season.
He's only 5'8"
Forget about that, they are all good on the O side, but on D, different animal.
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Forget about that, they are all good on the O side, but on D, different animal.
Sounds like a Wojo special.
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Evan Daniels
@EvanDaniels
CSU Northridge guard Terrell Gomez is in the Transfer Portal, per a source. Averaged 19.8 PPG and shot 44% from three on 252 attempts this season.
He's only 5'8"
That is exactly what we do not need right now.
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Lol. According to Scoop, with 3 open scholarships we have a pool of about 4 players we'd take on our roster. Thank God we're the only program in the country that wants players like Carton and Mane or we'd be in a real predicament of either burning 3 scholarships or bringing in players we don't want to bring in.
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I be happy getting one
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Lol. According to Scoop, with 3 open scholarships we have a pool of about 4 players we'd take on our roster. Thank God we're the only program in the country that wants players like Carton and Mane or we'd be in a real predicament of either burning 3 scholarships or bringing in players we don't want to bring in.
Depends on what one means by a predicament. Pretty sure without Mane or Carton we won’t be all that good next year. For some, that’s a predicament. For others, not so much.
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Forget about that, they are all good on the O side, but on D, different animal.
FWIW, his advanced stats have him exceptional on offense and defense.
Not saying MU should take him or will even inquire, just saying, size can be deceiving sometimes. let's put it this way...if they fill their other two spots with say Carton/Mane and Turner and want to use their last scholarship and it came down between this kid, or Jonah Antonio..I'd take Gomez every time..Smaller yes, but better defender and better shooter. A guy like that coming off the bench can be very valuable.
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FWIW, his advanced stats have him exceptional on offense and defense.
Not saying MU should take him or will even inquire, just saying, size can be deceiving sometimes. let's put it this way...if they fill their other two spots with say Carton/Mane and Turner and want to use their last scholarship and it came down between this kid, or Jonah Antonio..I'd take Gomez every time..Smaller yes, but better defender and better shooter. A guy like that coming off the bench can be very valuable.
I hated watching Rowsey and Markus when there man easily jumped over them for a rebound, or an easy 10 footer, enough of midget guards, unless he is as good as
Calvin Murphy or Allen Iverson.
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I hated watching Rowsey and Markus when there man easily jumped over them for a rebound, or an easy 10 footer, enough of midget guards, unless he is as good as
Calvin Murphy or Allen Iverson.
I’d take either one of those former Marquette guys in a heartbeat.
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Evan Daniels
@EvanDaniels
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Bryce Aiken, arguably the nation’s top transfer, has cut his list of schools to Iowa State, Maryland, Michigan and Seton Hall, he tells @247Sports
. Aiken went in-depth on his finalists and the recruiting process. | Story: https://247sports.com/college/basket
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Saw this on twitter:
Our entire staff, support personnel, Markus, Theo and the MUBB account followed Justin Turner today
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Saw this on twitter:
Our entire staff, support personnel, Markus, Theo and the MUBB account followed Justin Turner today
Yup, and JT is followed by the entire Coaching staff, plus Markus, Theo, Allison Kellahar and Brandon Yoder and even Killings's wife ;)
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Ben Steele article on Turner
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2020/04/02/bowling-green-graduate-transfer-justin-turner-has-marquette-list/5094649002/
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Ben Steele article on Turner
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2020/04/02/bowling-green-graduate-transfer-justin-turner-has-marquette-list/5094649002/
Sounds like the focus list for the staff right now:
Turner
Carton
Burton
Carlik Jones
Turner sounds like he views himself as a good fit.
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Yup, and JT is followed by the entire Coaching staff, plus Markus, Theo, Allison Kellahar and Brandon Yoder and even Killings's wife ;)
Nice, he has a Matt Mooney comp on KenPom... I often wonder what the '19 season would have looked like if we had landed Mooney instead of Chartouny...
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Saw this on twitter:
Our entire staff, support personnel, Markus, Theo and the MUBB account followed Justin Turner today
That's a very good sign.
Turner + Carton or Mane + best transfer grad or sit out we can get our hands on would be an awesome offseason. Obviously the three of those would be a dream come true.
To those following closely - any recent news on Carton?
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Jon Rothstein
@JonRothstein
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Nebraska's Cam Mack will transfer, per his Twitter page.
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That's a very good sign.
Turner + Carton or Mane + best transfer grad or sit out we can get our hands on would be an awesome offseason. Obviously the three of those would be a dream come true.
To those following closely - any recent news on Carton?
His recruitment has gone strangely, deadly silent.
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His recruitment has gone strangely, deadly silent.
It's like he's on a milk ca ... eh ... never mind.
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It's like he's on a milk ca ... eh ... never mind.
;D
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His recruitment has gone strangely, deadly silent.
Deadly??
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It's like he's on a milk ca ... eh ... never mind.
The jokes are spinning out of control, like a record on the turntable of a ...eh...nevermind.
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Deadly??
You've never heard the phrase "dead silent"??
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Deadly??
Maybe this explains why other programs apparently weren’t interested :o
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Deadly??
First Drew Peterson, now DJ Carton. goodness Wojo
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You've never heard the phrase "dead silent"??
Yes, I have.
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His recruitment has gone strangely, deadly silent.
It's not that strange. Some Ohio State fans went after him on social media and he disconnected from his accounts. I think that's led to a quieter recruitment than the usual social media public pursuits we often see.
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Jon Rothstein
@JonRothstein
Wichita State transfer Jamarius Burton has cut his list to the following programs, per his Twitter page:
Marquette
Seton Hall
Xavier
Ohio State
Texas Tech
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Jeff Borzello
@jeffborzello
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Seattle guard Terrell Brown announces he’s grad transferring. First-team All-WAC, averaged 20.7 points, 6.2 rebounds and 4.9 assists.
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Jeff Borzello
@jeffborzello
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Seattle guard Terrell Brown announces he’s grad transferring. First-team All-WAC, averaged 20.7 points, 6.2 rebounds and 4.9 assists.
Very high usage player, not a great shooter.
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Jon Rothstein
@JonRothstein
Wichita State transfer Jamarius Burton has cut his list to the following programs, per his Twitter page:
Marquette
Seton Hall
Xavier
Ohio State
Texas Tech
Excited to still be on the list.
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So, it appears we have made the "final" lists for:
Justin Turner (grad) - MU, Missouri, Arkansas, Iowa State, Louisville and Xavier
Jamarius Burton (traditional) - MU, SH, X, OSU, TTU
Carlik Jones (grad) - West Virginia, Gonzaga, Maryland, Louisville, Radford, Michigan State, Marquette and Texas Tech
Also still in play is:
DJ Carton (traditional) - Gone silent, but seems like MU is definitely an option (we reached out to him)
Asbjorn Mitdgaard (grad) - backup C for Wichita St. that we reached out to
Beyond these, I don't believe we have made any "lists" or been suggested to be close to closing on (besides that random Antonio report - which was essentially a hunch)
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Carton is a very likely waiver candidate if it’s still needed.
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Patrick Tape Decommits from Duke
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michigan state is working on Mane hard. But unless Stan Johnson's departure is a deal breaker for him, Marquette was his first official visit and the MU staff has been in for visits. Advantage Marquette. However, Mane is probably 1dun anyway. Hence, is Turner the better option? Also 1 yr. rental, but comes with D-1 experience and knows Cain
and Elliott. Either way, Marquette is a better team next season.
Carton? There’s 30 mins. of PT every night.
Marquette recruited him hard when in HS. Wojo made an in-house visit. Again,
advantage Marquette.
Flip side...get none of the above? Is it ok to
pray for a college basketball team?
Agree well said you have good sources
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So, it appears we have made the "final" lists for:
Justin Turner (grad) - MU, Missouri, Arkansas, Iowa State, Louisville and Xavier
Jamarius Burton (traditional) - MU, SH, X, OSU, TTU
Carlik Jones (grad) - West Virginia, Gonzaga, Maryland, Louisville, Radford, Michigan State, Marquette and Texas Tech
Also still in play is:
DJ Carton (traditional) - Gone silent, but seems like MU is definitely an option (we reached out to him)
Asbjorn Mitdgaard (grad) - backup C for Wichita St. that we reached out to
Beyond these, I don't believe we have made any "lists" or been suggested to be close to closing on (besides that random Antonio report - which was essentially a hunch)
Solid post. Thanks.
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Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
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Portland State junior Holland Woods told @stadium
he is transferring. The 6-1, 180-pound guard averaged 17.7 points and 5.2 assists this past season.
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James Bishop is transferring from LSU. Didn't do much for the Tigers but there's some potential there. We were one of his finalists. As I recall, Herman was a big fan of his neck.
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Jon Rothstein
@JonRothstein
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Arkansas grad transfer Jalen Harris has committed to Georgetown, per his Twitter page.
Immediately eligible.
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Jon Rothstein
@JonRothstein
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Arkansas grad transfer Jalen Harris has committed to Georgetown, per his Twitter page.
Immediately eligible.
He didn't appear on many "top transfer lists" out there but I think that's a solid (not great) pick up for the Hoyas. Could see him having a similar role to what Terrell Allen did for them this season.
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Patrick Tape Decommits from Duke
Bizarre. Is there a similar uncommitted too recruit Duke is going for? Cause this has to feel like some sort of PT development to go back on that choice so quickly.
I would love to emerge as the predominant player for Carton. Loved him as a HS prospect and my OSU fan friends are sick that he’s leaving.
Mane and Turner may be a wash in terms of contribution, but in a way I think getting Mane may be more impactful. Gives another decent top 50 recruit to hang your hat on.
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Bizarre. Is there a similar uncommitted too recruit Duke is going for? Cause this has to feel like some sort of PT development to go back on that choice so quickly.
I would love to emerge as the predominant player for Carton. Loved him as a HS prospect and my OSU fan friends are sick that he’s leaving.
Mane and Turner may be a wash in terms of contribution, but in a way I think getting Mane may be more impactful. Gives another decent top 50 recruit to hang your hat on.
Disagree Turner is a man.
Mane a kid
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Agreed. If Mane is a one yr guy, take Turner. Not thrilled with burning a ride on a ‘big’ that’s basically 5 fouls behind Theo, but I think Wojo needs to.
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James Bishop is transferring from LSU. Didn't do much for the Tigers but there's some potential there. We were one of his finalists. As I recall, Herman was a big fan of his neck.
Interesting, maybe he could count as the Player to be Named Later in the Dameon Mason trade?
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Bizarre. Is there a similar uncommitted too recruit Duke is going for? Cause this has to feel like some sort of PT development to go back on that choice so quickly.
Duke writer said Boeheim and Syracuse are flipping him. Got in his ear he wouldn't play at Duke and have a long standing relationship with an assistant. I am with you, bizarre.
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Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
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Portland State junior Holland Woods told @stadium
he is transferring. The 6-1, 180-pound guard averaged 17.7 points and 5.2 assists this past season.
A PG from Arizona that lead his team in scoring, while their 2nd leading scorer was a Hauser. No thanks!
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Jake
@jakeweingarten
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The amongst others part: NC State, Wake Forest, Marquette, DePaul, Cincinnati and Temple. Very hectic and crazy week for Minlend Jr. who hopes to cut things down soon.
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Jake
@jakeweingarten
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San Francisco graduate transfer Charles Minlend Jr. has heard from Indiana, Illinois, Oklahoma, Gonzaga, BYU, VCU, Witchita State, WSU, ASU, Arizona, Oregon State, UCLA, Iowa State, Butler, Arkansas, Vanderbilt, UConn, Miss. State, amongst others, he told @Stockrisers.
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recruited and redshirted by Wazzu's coach. He'll likely be in Pullman if there is a next season.
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https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/1246056086182006793?s=21
From Illinois
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https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/1246056086182006793?s=21
From Illinois
Just not a very good player
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Just not a very good player
I posted it because i wasn't sure, averaged 11.5 ppg and 3.9 ast
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Not sure if this applies here too but
🏀 NLI update 🏀
All NCAA Division I and Division II sports will be in a signing period from April 15-August 1.
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Not sure if this applies here to but
🏀 NLI update 🏀
All NCAA Division I and Division II sports will be in a signing period from April 15-August 1.
4 year Transfers can’t sign NLI’s.
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This is a very odd thread.
Yer not from these parts
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Carey put us on a list. Has anyone seen him play?
https://twitter.com/MarioSaccoNC9/status/1246143856783040512?s=19
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Carey put us on a list. Has anyone seen him play?
https://twitter.com/MarioSaccoNC9/status/1246143856783040512?s=19
Atrocious advanced stats but was pretty highly ranked and has quite a few good programs after him
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Atrocious advanced stats but was pretty highly ranked and has quite a few good programs after him
Only played in 2 games.
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Only played in 2 games.
Yep that’ll do it
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Plus, I'd hate to see him leave Price Is Right.
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Corey Evans
@coreyevans_10
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Bryant forward Patrick Harding will transfer, a source tells @RivalsPortal
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Sophomore that was second in the nation in rebounding per-40 minutes last season.
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Corey Evans
@coreyevans_10
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Bryant forward Patrick Harding will transfer, a source tells @RivalsPortal
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Sophomore that was second in the nation in rebounding per-40 minutes last season.
Averaged 4 points a game at Bryant, should stay there
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Averaged 4 points a game at Bryant, should stay there
What I wouldn't give to have a competent offensive minded big. Shortly after I click post, people will run here to say "Theo is fine offensively, he can score" no he can't. I'd like a big that's offensively like Robert Jackson or Davante...dump it down and it's an automatic bucket. That's not Theo.
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What I wouldn't give to have a competent offensive minded big. Shortly after I click post, people will run here to say "Theo is fine offensively, he can score" no he can't. I'd like a big that's offensively like Robert Jackson or Davante...dump it down and it's an automatic bucket. That's not Theo.
Literally nobody will say Theo is fine offensively.
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Literally nobody will say Theo is fine offensively.
Oh believe me there are some that are just fine with a big that will rebound and play defense, and having them be able to score(on a regular basis) is secondary. I'd like a big that can take over a game if/when needed.
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Oh believe me there are some that are just fine with a big that will rebound and play defense, and having them be able to score(on a regular basis) is secondary. I'd like a big that can take over a game if/when needed.
The 80s called they want your basketball opinions back. Like it or not spreading the floor is the way to win now days that's why when we had seniors Jamil and Gardner we couldn't win with Thomas and Wilson starting
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I don't need them to take over a game, but to be an offensive threat every now and then isn't a bad thing.
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What I wouldn't give to have a competent offensive minded big. Shortly after I click post, people will run here to say "Theo is fine offensively, he can score" no he can't. I'd like a big that's offensively like Robert Jackson or Davante...dump it down and it's an automatic bucket. That's not Theo.
Again, your answer is a guy who averaged 4 points a game at Bryant?
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Shortly after I click post, people will run here to say "Theo is fine offensively, he can score"
Oh believe me there are some that are just fine with a big that will rebound and play defense, and having them be able to score(on a regular basis) is secondary.
Do you see what you did there, guru?
What you said at 1:55 is considerably different than what you said at 1:24.
In your desperate attempt to not only make a point but play "gotcha" with other Scoopers, you moved the goalposts on yourself. Well done!
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Now THIS is the big i want...His uncle is an asst Coach with the Gophers.
Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
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One Missouri Valley coach to me on Liam Robbins.
“He’s a pro.”
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@GoodmanHoops
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Drake sophomore big man Liam Robbins announces he is transferring. Averaged 14.1 points, 7.1 boards and 2.9 blocks per game this past season.
Should be a long line of high-major suitors.
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Again, your answer is a guy who averaged 4 points a game at Bryant?
No, I NEVER said that...I just post transfers that I see..most of the time without comment. It's to generate discussion. I just posted a transfer big that I want MU to pursue hard.
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Oh believe me there are some that are just fine with a big that will rebound and play defense, and having them be able to score(on a regular basis) is secondary. I'd like a big that can take over a game if/when needed.
Yeah, its a guard's game, aina?
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Corey Evans
@coreyevans_10
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Bryant forward Patrick Harding will transfer, a source tells @RivalsPortal
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Sophomore that was second in the nation in rebounding per-40 minutes last season.
That approach worked out well for the Sonics when they signed Mac.
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What I wouldn't give to have a competent offensive minded big. Shortly after I click post, people will run here to say "Theo is fine offensively, he can score" no he can't. I'd like a big that's offensively like Robert Jackson or Davante...dump it down and it's an automatic bucket. That's not Theo.
Here is something to debate. How good would Theo be if he had a good thumb and was teamed with Wade and Diener. As I remember it Jackson would kind of hide down low and then get the ball dumped to him on a drive by Wade or a pass from Diener. I do not like it when Theo gets it in his head that he going to back down a player and try to score over him. I have seen Theo get wide open dunks when the guards have gotten him the ball in position. Theo needs the ball given to him in the correct position.
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What I wouldn't give to have a competent offensive minded big. Shortly after I click post, people will run here to say "Theo is fine offensively, he can score" no he can't. I'd like a big that's offensively like Robert Jackson or Davante...dump it down and it's an automatic bucket. That's not Theo.
What exactly does Theo do during the off-season working on his game? The dude doesn’t have as much as a face-up from 12’. Give him a tape of Kevin Garnett post moves. “Theo, study this...everyday. Everyday Theo”.
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What exactly does Theo do during the off-season working on his game? The dude doesn’t have as much as a face-up from 12’. Give him a tape of Kevin Garnett post moves. “Theo, study this...everyday. Everyday Theo”.
Yes. If Theo did anything to work on his game in the offseason he’d be Kevin Garnett. Just wish the Minnesota kid wasn’t so lazy and watched his home state hero some.
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Yeah sometimes players just don’t have the touch. And that’s fine. He is what he is and works his ass off of n the floor. He’s just limited.
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You could chop off Theo’s right thumb and he’d still be the same player. Strong body down low who changes/blocks shots, rebounds well and finishes most dump offs.
He’s a hard working, blue collar big which is great. I’m not sure why people expect more out of him at this point.
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What I wouldn't give to have a competent offensive minded big. Shortly after I click post, people will run here to say "Theo is fine offensively, he can score" no he can't. I'd like a big that's offensively like Robert Jackson or Davante...dump it down and it's an automatic bucket. That's not Theo.
You’re Dream will come true.
Incoming Dawson Garcia is 6’11 and will be one of the highest scorers, if not the highest, on next years squad. Definitely a competent offensive minded big.
Now I know what you meant, but the game has changed. Sometimes it’s better to have a big of the mold you’re thinking of like Jayce/Theo who concentrates on defense and rebounding, especially when you’ve already got a new aged big that can carry the scoring load and use the open lanes rather than run into a bigger defender in the post constantly.
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You’re Dream will come true.
Incoming Dawson Garcia is 6’11 and will be one of the highest scorers, if not the highest, on next years squad. Definitely a competent offensive minded big.
Now I know what you meant, but the game has changed. Sometimes it’s better to have a big of the mold you’re thinking of like Jayce/Theo who concentrates on defense and rebounding, especially when you’ve already got a new aged big that can carry the scoring load and use the open lanes rather than run into a bigger defender in the post constantly.
Can't I have both as offensive weapons?? ;D
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Yeah sometimes players just don’t have the touch. And that’s fine. He is what he is and works his ass off of n the floor. He’s just limited.
Yep, he’s Faisel Abraham. Good defensive presence (was key during the scoring drought against Nova) but not much else other than a big body.
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Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
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Digging into background of Drake transfer Liam Robbins and just found out his uncle is Minnesota asst. Ed Conroy. Conroy's son, Hunter, also on Gophers team. Sure looks like a no-brainer for 7-foot Robbins (who numerous Valley coaches told me is a future pro) to wind up a Gopher.
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Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
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Digging into background of Drake transfer Liam Robbins and just found out his uncle is Minnesota asst. Ed Conroy. Conroy's son, Hunter, also on Gophers team. Sure looks like a no-brainer for 7-foot Robbins (who numerous Valley coaches told me is a future pro) to wind up a Gopher.
Rumors he’s going to Iowa too.
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Sounds like Minnesota
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Now THIS is the big i want...His uncle is an asst Coach with the Gophers.
Jeff Goodman
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One Missouri Valley coach to me on Liam Robbins.
“He’s a pro.”
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Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
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Drake sophomore big man Liam Robbins announces he is transferring. Averaged 14.1 points, 7.1 boards and 2.9 blocks per game this past season.
Should be a long line of high-major suitors.
Mid-major takes a chance on an low level prospect, develops him, majors poach him even though he has to sit a year. Just wait until they don’t have to sit, mid-majors are screwed.
The hope was that Robbins was just scratching the surface. The Bulldogs had viewed him as a diamond in the rough on the recruiting trail. The Iowa native wasn't even a star in high school and went unnoticed to most college teams. But Robbins dropped nearly 70 pounds, attended a prep school in Kansas and reclassified.
Robbins eventually found a home at Drake which helped develop him into a star. He averaged just 3.8 points and 2.6 rebounds per game as a freshman. Then he won a starting spot and became one of the best players in the MVC. Robbins was named the captain of the league's Most Improved Team.
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Mid-major takes a chance on an low level prospect, develops him, majors poach him even though he has to sit a year. Just wait until they don’t have to sit, mid-majors are screwed.
The hope was that Robbins was just scratching the surface. The Bulldogs had viewed him as a diamond in the rough on the recruiting trail. The Iowa native wasn't even a star in high school and went unnoticed to most college teams. But Robbins dropped nearly 70 pounds, attended a prep school in Kansas and reclassified.
Robbins eventually found a home at Drake which helped develop him into a star. He averaged just 3.8 points and 2.6 rebounds per game as a freshman. Then he won a starting spot and became one of the best players in the MVC. Robbins was named the captain of the league's Most Improved Team.
Kid gets to play in the Big 10 instead of Podunk. Dreams come true. Good for him.
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Marquette gets a transfer CB from Brian Snow.... I would expect Jonah Antonio to be a plan C option
https://247sports.com/PlayerInstitution/Jonah-Antonio-at-UNLV-236300/CurrentTransferInstitutionPredictions/
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Mid-major takes a chance on an low level prospect, develops him, majors poach him even though he has to sit a year. Just wait until they don’t have to sit, mid-majors are screwed.
Kid commits to a low-level mid-major program that has sucked forever, works harder than hell for two offseasons and two seasons to become a major-level player, and then leaves to realize his lifelong dream.
That, of course, is something any coach of any mid-major team can do anytime, regardless of contract status. Unlike the coach, however, the kid currently has to sit out a year to realize his dream.
Just wait till the players don't have to sit. These student-athletes finally will be treated like all the other students, who have complete freedom of movement even if they are on full scholarship.
And mid-majors will be fine because they will continue to get good players who couldn't quite hack it as majors, which already are the majority of transfers.
Well, at least they'll be fine if their coaches stick around rather than going wherever they want whenever.
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Marquette gets a transfer CB from Brian Snow.... I would expect Jonah Antonio to be a plan C option
https://247sports.com/PlayerInstitution/Jonah-Antonio-at-UNLV-236300/CurrentTransferInstitutionPredictions/
This is pretty old news. Let’s hope it doesn’t come to fruition. The guy is not a high major player, that’s pretty obvious
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This is pretty old news. Let’s hope it doesn’t come to fruition. The guy is not a high major player, that’s pretty obvious
I doubt it will unless MU completely whiffs on their top targets..in which case, there's bigger issues anyway.
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Mid-major takes a chance on an low level prospect, develops him, majors poach him even though he has to sit a year. Just wait until they don’t have to sit, mid-majors are screwed.
The hope was that Robbins was just scratching the surface. The Bulldogs had viewed him as a diamond in the rough on the recruiting trail. The Iowa native wasn't even a star in high school and went unnoticed to most college teams. But Robbins dropped nearly 70 pounds, attended a prep school in Kansas and reclassified.
Robbins eventually found a home at Drake which helped develop him into a star. He averaged just 3.8 points and 2.6 rebounds per game as a freshman. Then he won a starting spot and became one of the best players in the MVC. Robbins was named the captain of the league's Most Improved Team.
What they should do is lop off all of the conferences outside the top ten. It will impact the NCAA tournament detrimentally because the mid-majors and small schools will participate in a different tournament. Coaches at all levels of division one have warned this practice of raiding rosters will impact smaller programs and even lower level P6 schools. Face the music and put them in their down sub-division.
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I doubt it will unless MU completely whiffs on their top targets..in which case, there's bigger issues anyway.
Very true. Not great that MU's ability to have a winning season is on the edge this late in the process. Fingers crossed, there is still a chance to put together a good team.
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Very true. Not great that MU's ability to have a winning season is on the edge this late in the process. Fingers crossed, there is still a chance to put together a good team.
Not that they can't have a winning season regardless of these circumstances...
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Xavier, Seton Hall and Butler are in the same boat.
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Kid commits to a low-level mid-major program that has sucked forever, works harder than hell for two offseasons and two seasons to become a major-level player, and then leaves to realize his lifelong dream.
That, of course, is something any coach of any mid-major team can do anytime, regardless of contract status. Unlike the coach, however, the kid currently has to sit out a year to realize his dream.
Just wait till the players don't have to sit. These student-athletes finally will be treated like all the other students, who have complete freedom of movement even if they are on full scholarship.
And mid-majors will be fine because they will continue to get good players who couldn't quite hack it as majors, which already are the majority of transfers.
Well, at least they'll be fine if their coaches stick around rather than going wherever they want whenever.
Exactly! It really ticks me off when coaches get upset about players leaving (as if their LOI's were 4 year contracts) but regard their own contracts as being strictly one way streets in their direction. The hypocrisy is over the top.
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Not that they can't have a winning season regardless of these circumstances...
We are all MU fans so I'd like to think so but any objective observer, i.e. Vegas, does not think so. It would be unfair to Wojo and the team to expect more than 15 wins.
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Turner cuts list...Decision next week
https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1246850609510256647?s=20
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Turner cuts list...
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1246850932337528833?s=20
Scariest competitors cut. Seems like good news.
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Kind of weird that Turner has Bowling Green in his final four. He is transferring from there but still considering going back?
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Scariest competitors cut. Seems like good news.
He's still considering Bowling Green?
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Scariest competitors cut. Seems like good news.
That's what I was thinking...but..Iowa State has TONS of playing time to sell(not that he wouldn't get it at MU) and he has talked highly of Missouri in previous interviews..But, there's really little doubt in my mind, MU will have the most talent of the 3 teams. Also have the Greg and Jamal(Detroit) factor, hopefully that's enough.
MU definitely has the distance to home advantage if that's important to him.
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He's still considering Bowling Green?
I don't think he's necessarily considering them, more that it's still an option if all else fails.
https://twitter.com/jakeweingarten/status/1246851407443001346?s=20
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He seems like one of the best options. Would definitely make next season more exciting.
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Exactly! It really ticks me off when coaches get upset about players leaving (as if their LOI's were 4 year contracts) but regard their own contracts as being strictly one way streets in their direction. The hypocrisy is over the top.
What’s a “LOI?”
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Justin turner announced his final 4, we’re in
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I've never seen Turner play 1 second of basketball, but judging by what a lot of folks are saying and by his stats, he looks like a very good player.
He hasn't faced a lot of top competition. Just looking at stats from last couple of years, he had some very good games against LSU, St. John's (in 2018-19 when they were good) and Buffalo, and some not-so-good games against Cincinnati and VCU.
He'd look good in a Marquette uni!
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I've never seen Turner play 1 second of basketball, but judging by what a lot of folks are saying and by his stats, he looks like a very good player.
He hasn't faced a lot of top competition. Just looking at stats from last couple of years, he had some very good games against LSU, St. John's (in 2018-19 when they were good) and Buffalo, and some not-so-good games against Cincinnati and VCU.
He'd look good in a Marquette uni!
Here you go MU82!
Top Transfers: Immediately Eligible
1) Justin Turner, 6-4, 205, SG, RS Jr., Bowling Green
Stats: 18.8 ppg, 4.6 rpg
Scout’s take: “Big-time three-level scorer. Has a gift for getting places with the ball. He is really good on or off the ball. He’s one of those guys, if he gets it going, you’re in for a long night. Whichever high-major he ends up at, he will likely be their best player.”
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I've never seen Turner play 1 second of basketball, but judging by what a lot of folks are saying and by his stats, he looks like a very good player.
He hasn't faced a lot of top competition. Just looking at stats from last couple of years, he had some very good games against LSU, St. John's (in 2018-19 when they were good) and Buffalo, and some not-so-good games against Cincinnati and VCU.
He'd look good in a Marquette uni!
I didnt do any in-depth analysis but his O-rating in Kenpom A and B games has been better than his overall O-rating each of the past three years. So it seems like at the very least he isn't feasting on poor opponents.
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I didnt do any in-depth analysis but his O-rating in Kenpom A and B games has been better than his overall O-rating each of the past three years. So it seems like at the very least he isn't feasting on poor opponents.
True about A+B. Tier A O-Rating doesn't look as good but small sample size - just a total of 9 Tier A games in 3 years at BG (average O-rating = 100). Not a great shooter, but good at getting to FT line and doesn't turn it over.
Definitely would be a good addition to the team, and a needed one.
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He's still considering Bowling Green?
Just a guess, but I think you will see more transfers listing their original school this season then in past seasons. It has to be a little unnerving to commit to a new a school that you've never gotten a chance to visit.
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If Turner were to commit, I wonder how it would affect Koby’s status with the team. I’m assuming Turner is more of 2 guard, so I’m curious to know if the plan is to have Koby at the 1.
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If Turner were to commit, I wonder how it would affect Koby’s status with the team. I’m assuming Turner is more of 2 guard, so I’m curious to know if the plan is to have Koby at the 1.
I sure as hell hope not.
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Just a guess, but I think you will see more transfers listing their original school this season then in past seasons. It has to be a little unnerving to commit to a new a school that you've never gotten a chance to visit.
I agree with this, and I haven't studied it that closely, but I think one thing we are seeing and will see more of is grad transfers going closer to home then they otherwise may have. In that case, that SHOULD bode well for MU and Turner.
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Justin turner announced his final 4, we’re in
Did not see it indicated. Marquette, Mizzou and Iowa State (and Bowling Green where he presently plays)
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Here you go MU82!
Top Transfers: Immediately Eligible
1) Justin Turner, 6-4, 205, SG, RS Jr., Bowling Green
Stats: 18.8 ppg, 4.6 rpg
Scout’s take: “Big-time three-level scorer. Has a gift for getting places with the ball. He is really good on or off the ball. He’s one of those guys, if he gets it going, you’re in for a long night. Whichever high-major he ends up at, he will likely be their best player.”
I didnt do any in-depth analysis but his O-rating in Kenpom A and B games has been better than his overall O-rating each of the past three years. So it seems like at the very least he isn't feasting on poor opponents.
Thanks for all of that info, boyz. Let's get him!
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If Turner were to commit, I wonder how it would affect Koby’s status with the team. I’m assuming Turner is more of 2 guard, so I’m curious to know if the plan is to have Koby at the 1.
I think the dream is to get Turner, get Carton, and get Carton a waiver to be immediately eligible. Then you would have 4 clear cut starters in Carton, Turner, Garcia, and John. You then tell Koby, Greg, Jamal, and Brendan that the 5th starting spot is up for grabs and best man wins. Dexter and Oso could get in on that competition too if they are better than expected. In that situation, Sy would backup Carton at the point and Lewis would backup Garcia and John in the frontcourt.
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Thanks for all of that info, boyz. Let's get him!
In addition to that write up, 24/7 has Turner as the best available grad transfer, ahead of Carlik Jones. I tend do think Jones is the better player, but it shows how well regarded Turner is nonetheless. Write up here:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/247sports.com/college/basketball/recruiting/ContentGallery/Louisville-Ohio-State-Missouri-Maryland-Marquette-Carlik-Jones-Justin-Turner-Seth-Towns-Dimencio-Vaughn-graduate-transfer-145602722/Amp/
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I think the dream is to get Turner, get Carton, and get Carton a waiver to be immediately eligible. Then you would have 4 clear cut starters in Carton, Turner, Garcia, and John. You then tell Koby, Greg, Jamal, and Brendan that the 5th starting spot is up for grabs and best man wins. Dexter and Oso could get in on that competition too if they are better than expected. In that situation, Sy would backup Carton at the point and Lewis would backup Garcia and John in the frontcourt.
If we land Turner and (an immediately eligible) Carton I would genuinely be more excited for next season than I was coming into this past season. Those 2 in addition to Dawson would be a lot of fun to watch with a ton of potential
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If we land Turner and (an immediately eligible) Carton I would genuinely be more excited for next season than I was coming into this past season. Those 2 in addition to Dawson would be a lot of fun to watch with a ton of potential
If those events came to fruition, I would have to say it would be an A+ offseason for Wojo and the staff.
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If those events came to fruition, I would have to say it would be an A+ offseason for Wojo and the staff.
Agree 100%, would be a terrific job by him and staff
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I saw Missouri listed as the favorite for Turner from early on in his transfer process. Hopefully we land him.
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I saw Missouri listed as the favorite for Turner from early on in his transfer process. Hopefully we land him.
I think Marquette is the favorite right now, but Missouri is the other one that I think is a real contender
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Guard Luther Mohammed from Ohio state is transferring, I’d be he’s going back East. Holtman gonna have a Whole different team next season
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Jon Rothstein
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Sources: If the NCAA votes in June to allow a one-time transfer rule with immediate eligibility, it is likely to begin during the 21-22 season.
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I think Marquette is the favorite right now, but Missouri is the other one that I think is a real contender
Why do you think this?
Everything I have read has Missouri as team to beat....what has changed?
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Why do you think this?
Everything I have read has Missouri as team to beat....what has changed?
He's following Marquette's team and support staff on social media and vice versa. That's not the case with the other two finalists.
Just an observation. I could definitely be wrong.
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He's following Marquette's team and support staff on social media and vice versa. That's not the case with the other two finalists.
Just an observation. I could definitely be wrong.
Thanks. I thought it was the Marquette people that followed him but did not know he started following them.
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He's following Marquette's team and support staff on social media and vice versa. That's not the case with the other two finalists.
Just an observation. I could definitely be wrong.
This is correct, and perhaps the most telling follow is of Allison Kellaher...it was when Garcia started following her on Instagram that, tipped people off to Garcia committing to MU and that was like a week prior to his announcement
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This is correct, and perhaps the most telling follow is of Allison Kellaher...it was when Garcia started following her on Instagram that, tipped people off to Garcia committing to MU and that was like a week prior to his announcement
Turner also follows “Thick Ebony Girls” - need a breakdown
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Here's what Snow says on Turner who he also has as the #1 ranked grad transfer..
Name: Justin Turner
Position: Scoring Guard
Schools Involved: Missouri, Louisville, Xavier, Arkansas, Marquette, Iowa State
Turner comes in as the best player available on the graduate transfer market. He combines good size, 6-foot-4 and 205 pounds, with the ability shoot, good athleticism, and a solid feel for the game. He was the most talented player in the MAC this past season and could be a top tier player on a good high-major from day one.
In 2019-20, Turner averaged 18.8 points and 4.6 rebounds per game while shooting 36 percent from three and 85 percent from the foul line.
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Turner also follows “Thick Ebony Girls” - need a breakdown
Hopefully Wojo can seal the deal by following the same account so they have something else in common.
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Turner also follows “Thick Ebony Girls” - need a breakdown
Very cool!
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Turner also follows “Thick Ebony Girls” - need a breakdown
WTF? When I follow thick ebony girls, they call it “stalking.”
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Not a surprise at all...Robbins to Minnesota
https://twitter.com/BSnow247/status/1246937037464391682?s=20
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Turner just started following Cam Marotta and Symir on instagram
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Turner just started following Cam Marotta and Symir on instagram
Love it. Close the deal Wojo.
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Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
Colgate grad transfer Rapolas Ivanauskas is in the portal, per source:
Big man who began his career at Northwestern averaged 13.1 points and 7.6 boards this season.
Will be a highly sought-after guy on the transfer market.
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Turner just started following Cam Marotta and Symir on instagram
Adults don’t just watch the social media accounts of college kids but research who they like and follow? Yikes.
https://familyguy.fandom.com/wiki/John_Herbert
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Adults don’t just watch the social media accounts of college kids but research who they like and follow? Yikes.
https://familyguy.fandom.com/wiki/John_Herbert
Cheeks used to do this too, when he was around.
Weird.
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Adults don’t just watch the social media accounts of college kids but research who they like and follow? Yikes.
https://familyguy.fandom.com/wiki/John_Herbert
When it comes to major recruits like Turner I do it. You can learn a lot about where they might be committing by looking at social media. It's how it was figured out Garcia was committing to MU before he actually committed.
Lots more people do it then you realize. It's one of the biggest tools National recruiting guys use to look for "clues".
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When it comes to major recruits like Turner I do it. You can learn a lot about where they might be committing by looking at social media. It's how it was figured out Garcia was committing to MU before he actually committed.
Lots more people do it then you realize. It's one of the biggest tools National recruiting guys use to look for "clues".
I don't personally take the time to do it but I am glad others like you do. Certainly gives some hints as to where they may commit or transfer to.
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Adults don’t just watch the social media accounts of college kids but research who they like and follow? Yikes.
https://familyguy.fandom.com/wiki/John_Herbert
Chico’s used to say the same thing....
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Wow...never seen this before in a recruitment...
Evan Daniels
@EvanDaniels
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Columbia transfer Patrick Tape recommitted to Duke, he tells @247Sports
. | Story: https://247sports.com/college/basket
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Jeff Borzello
@jeffborzello
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Radford grad transfer Carlik Jones has committed to Louisville, sources told ESPN.
The No. 1 grad transfer in the country.
Big South Player of the Year averaged 20.0 PPG, 5.1 RPG, 5.5 APG.
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Carlik was following one coach from his recruitment.... that was Mack. No surprise here
Jeff Borzello
@jeffborzello
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Radford grad transfer Carlik Jones has committed to Louisville, sources told ESPN.
The No. 1 grad transfer in the country.
Big South Player of the Year averaged 20.0 PPG, 5.1 RPG, 5.5 APG.
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Wow...never seen this before in a recruitment...
Evan Daniels
@EvanDaniels
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Columbia transfer Patrick Tape recommitted to Duke, he tells @247Sports
. | Story: https://247sports.com/college/basket
Incredibly bizarre. Thought for sure Duke had a new signing coming soon that he didn’t want to split time with
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The Tale of the Tape is ... weird.
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WTF? When I follow thick ebony girls, they call it “stalking.”
That’s because you do the “old school” type of following.
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Not sure how close Turner is with Jeff Uju but they played together at Bowling Green for a couple years and now Jeff is going to Marquette for Dentist School.
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Interesting article about Trey Wertz (and his sportswriter dad), even though Marquette is not one of the schools he is considering:
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nascar-auto-racing/article241792491.html?
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Poster on Cyclone Fanatic hearing Turner to Mizz.
Might be nothing. But interesting nonetheless
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Poster on Cyclone Fanatic hearing Turner to Mizz.
Might be nothing. But interesting nonetheless
No reason for him to being on instagram with just about everybody on staff, I would say MU is the drivers seat here unless the other 2 prospects want to come
to MU
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Poster on Cyclone Fanatic hearing Turner to Mizz.
Might be nothing. But interesting nonetheless
Apparently that poster doesn't post very often.
On Instagram, Mitchell Smith from Mizzou follows him, but Turner doesn't follow him back. He does follow back a couple of ppl from Mizzou on twitter, but ironically enough, it's a football player and a couple women's BB players for Mizzou.
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Would MU pursue him?? ...He's from Illinois
10) Rapolas Ivanaauskas, 6-10, 230, PF, Grad, Colgate
Stats: 13.1 ppg, 7.6 rpg
Scout’s take: “Can play the four or the five. Can pick and pop, pick and roll, capable 3-point shooter who is very aggressive in the post and can score over either shoulder and either block, but he’s best when his isolated on the right block. Will back you down and usually it’s not coming back out.”
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MU needs to be pursuing him...hard..He's from Illinois
10) Rapolas Ivanaauskas, 6-10, 230, PF, Grad, Colgate
Stats: 13.1 ppg, 7.6 rpg
Scout’s take: “Can play the four or the five. Can pick and pop, pick and roll, capable 3-point shooter who is very aggressive in the post and can score over either shoulder and either block, but he’s best when his isolated on the right block. Will back you down and usually it’s not coming back out.”
"Hard"? He was a decent player who feasted on a mediocre conference. 6 out of 10 teams in the Patriot would be in the bottom 3 ranked teams in Marquette's cupcake portion of the schedule. He was pedestrian in their non-con.
10 and 6 against Clemson, Auburn, and Cuse as their go-to player (5th highest usage in the conference). Held to single digits by GB and Siena. He'd make Jayce Johnson look like Wilt.
Also, "capable" 3 pt shooter who hits at a blistering 26% rate.
Pass. Let him go to Depaul
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"Hard"? He was a decent player who feasted on a mediocre conference. 6 out of 10 teams in the Patriot would be in the bottom 3 ranked teams in Marquette's cupcake portion of the schedule. He was pedestrian in their non-con.
10 and 6 against Clemson, Auburn, and Cuse as their go-to player (5th highest usage in the conference). Held to single digits by GB and Siena. He'd make Jayce Johnson look like Wilt.
Also, "capable" 3 pt shooter who hits at a blistering 26% rate.
Pass. Let him go to Depaul
Who will be Theo's backup at the moment?
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"Hard"? He was a decent player who feasted on a mediocre conference. 6 out of 10 teams in the Patriot would be in the bottom 3 ranked teams in Marquette's cupcake portion of the schedule. He was pedestrian in their non-con.
10 and 6 against Clemson, Auburn, and Cuse as their go-to player (5th highest usage in the conference). Held to single digits by GB and Siena. He'd make Jayce Johnson look like Wilt.
Also, "capable" 3 pt shooter who hits at a blistering 26% rate.
Pass. Let him go to Depaul
Well so many here seem to want a back up to Theo..Me personally..I'd rather get the three Guards and call it a day..Turner, Mane, Carton. BUT, if MU insists that they want a back up big, this is the guy they should go after, what else is out there for bigs??
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"Hard"? He was a decent player who feasted on a mediocre conference. 6 out of 10 teams in the Patriot would be in the bottom 3 ranked teams in Marquette's cupcake portion of the schedule. He was pedestrian in their non-con.
10 and 6 against Clemson, Auburn, and Cuse as their go-to player (5th highest usage in the conference). Held to single digits by GB and Siena. He'd make Jayce Johnson look like Wilt.
Also, "capable" 3 pt shooter who hits at a blistering 26% rate.
Pass. Let him go to Depaul
I changed my post, Hard was too strong, you're right.
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Who will be Theo's backup at the moment?
They will play Garcia and Lewis, have to give the freshman minutes to keep them happy!
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Poster on Cyclone Fanatic hearing Turner to Mizz.
Might be nothing. But interesting nonetheless
I would be surprised with Mizzou. Haven’t they been a bit of a dumpster fire under Cuonzo?
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Matt Haarms anyone??
Jon Rothstein
@JonRothstein
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Purdue's Matt Haarms will transfer, per release.
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Matt Haarms anyone??
Jon Rothstein
@JonRothstein
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Purdue's Matt Haarms will transfer, per release.
He's the kind of guy you'd love to have on your team and hate to play. Absolutely yes. Don't see it happening but would be really nice.
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Man, Haarms would be useful but what a douche that guy is. I don't know if I could watch him play for a full season.
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Two of Turner/Carton/Mane plus a grad transfer big sure does seem like the best possible outcome though.
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Man, Haarms would be useful but what a douche that guy is. I don't know if I could watch him play for a full season.
You're watching him play for your favorite team, not an opponent. Other than playing with a lot of passion he seems fine. He's frustrating to play vs. since he's 7'3.
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Man, Haarms would be useful but what a douche that guy is. I don't know if I could watch him play for a full season.
I'll take a solid, but incredibly douchey team over a team that finishes next to last in the BE next year.
Bring in the best players. period.
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Poster on Cyclone Fanatic hearing Turner to Mizz.
Might be nothing. But interesting nonetheless
He narrows it down to 3 schools and all of a sudden someone comes out of the woodwork saying he's hearing things. Don't buy it until you hear from someone credible
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I'll take a solid, but incredibly douchey team over a team that finishes next to last in the BE next year.
Bring in the best players. period.
So, the Badgers?
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I'll take a solid, but incredibly douchey team over a team that finishes next to last in the BE next year.
Bring in the best players. period.
Ding ding ding!!
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Man, Haarms would be useful but what a douche that guy is. I don't know if I could watch him play for a full season.
U r an idiot!!
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Man, Haarms would be useful but what a douche that guy is. I don't know if I could watch him play for a full season.
I’d be willing to tough it out. ;)
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*every transfer with a pulse*
(https://firstyearsuccess.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/gtj1dq.gif)
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Haarms is better than Theo.
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Haarms is better than Theo.
Thanks.
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Maize n Brew
@MaizenBrew
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JUST IN: Some stunning Michigan Basketball news, as David DeJulius is entering the transfer portal. https://maizenbrew.com/basketball/202
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Maize n Brew
@MaizenBrew
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JUST IN: Some stunning Michigan Basketball news, as David DeJulius is entering the transfer portal. https://maizenbrew.com/basketball/202
If Carton doesn't work out, wouldn't hate scooping up this guy
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Is it good or bad that MU has no one in the transfer portal?
Good: players like MU, coaches, teammates, etc.
Bad: MU has no players who could make a lateral move via transfer.
Probably both.
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Is it good or bad that MU has no one in the transfer portal?
Good: players like MU, coaches, teammates, etc. PRO WOJO CROWD
Bad: MU has no players who could make a lateral move via transfer. NO WOJO CROWD
Probably both.
Fixed it for you.
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Is it good or bad that MU has no one in the transfer portal?
Good: players like MU, coaches, teammates, etc.
Bad: MU has no players who could make a lateral move via transfer.
Probably both.
Oh come on. We have plenty of players who could make a lateral move. After years of griping about Wojo not being able to keep his players, are we finally complaining about KEEPING our players? This place is so obnoxious sometimes most of the time.
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Is it good or bad that MU has no one in the transfer portal?
Good: players like MU, coaches, teammates, etc.
Bad: MU has no players who could make a lateral move via transfer.
Probably both.
I think it is good. Actually a major bright spot. Obviously LOTS of PT to be had as roster is constructed now, which makes it compelling to stay versus sitting out one year.
Though the only viable transfers on the roster at this stage would be Koby (likely immediately eligible elsewhere) Greg, Brendan, Symir - can't imagine Jamal or Theo would sit out one year to go play one year somewhere else.
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If Carton doesn't work out, wouldn't hate scooping up this guy
Not in the least...and oh by the way, he's Greg's HS teammate. ;)
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per Evan Daniels on Haarms:
The schools that have reached out are Gonzaga, Minnesota, Oklahoma, Ohio, Illinois State, Louisville Kentucky, Arizona, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Arizona State, Syracuse, DePaul, South Carolina, Boston College, Seton Hall, Wichita State, Cincinnati, Oklahoma State, Washington State, Utah, Oregon State, San Jose State, and Cal State Fullerton.
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per Evan Daniels on Haarms:
The schools that have reached out are Gonzaga, Minnesota, Oklahoma, Ohio, Illinois State, Louisville Kentucky, Arizona, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Arizona State, Syracuse, DePaul, South Carolina, Boston College, Seton Hall, Wichita State, Cincinnati, Oklahoma State, Washington State, Utah, Oregon State, San Jose State, and Cal State Fullerton.
That last entry is hilarious. Scores of top 25 programs and P6 schools and then CSUF, fresh off a 16-18 season, fires off a “You up?” text to a player that was too good for their recruiting level coming into college, and certainly still is after putting up decent numbers at a good B10 program
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I think it is good. Actually a major bright spot. Obviously LOTS of PT to be had as roster is constructed now, which makes it compelling to stay versus sitting out one year.
Though the only viable transfers on the roster at this stage would be Koby (likely immediately eligible elsewhere) Greg, Brendan, Symir - can't imagine Jamal or Theo would sit out one year to go play one year somewhere else.
I think nearly every transfer this year will get an immediate eligible waiver due to the strange circumstances
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Man, Haarms would be useful but what a douche that guy is.
Seems like a totally unnecessary attack on a young person you don't know at all.
You'll be thrilled to know, however, that it sounds like everybody but Marquette is on his list.
Thank goodness. We'd hate to get a talented 7-footer on the team.
This post was unlike you, JJJJJJJJJ, so I just assume you're having a bad day.
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After an initial flurry of transfer offers, MU hasn't been mentioned with some of the bigger ones to become available in the last week. Hopefully this means they feel good about their positions with their initial top targets
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That last entry is hilarious. Scores of top 25 programs and P6 schools and then CSUF, fresh off a 16-18 season, fires off a “You up?” text to a player that was too good for their recruiting level coming into college, and certainly still is after putting up decent numbers at a good B10 program
Fullerton has Gottfried and Harrick, that's why they're mentioned.
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After an initial flurry of transfer offers, MU hasn't been mentioned with some of the bigger ones to become available in the last week. Hopefully this means they feel good about their positions with their initial top targets
The first couple people to release Carton interest also didn't mention us. Only to find out we were one of the first.
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Just not a very good player
You may be right...but he just committed to Ohio State
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Fullerton has Gottfried and Harrick, that's why they're mentioned.
That’s the wrong LA area Big West school. They are at Cal State Northridge
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After an initial flurry of transfer offers, MU hasn't been mentioned with some of the bigger ones to become available in the last week. Hopefully this means they feel good about their positions with their initial top targets
This has been exactly my thought...Thinking their 3 scholarships are now spoken for and they know it, just hasn't been made public yet.
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Jeff Borzello
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Michigan transfer David DeJulius has heard from Maryland, Missouri, Cincinnati and Marquette since entering the portal.
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Jeff Borzello
@jeffborzello
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Michigan transfer David DeJulius has heard from Maryland, Missouri, Cincinnati and Marquette since entering the portal.
Well I got egg on my face pretty quick
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Jeff Borzello
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Michigan transfer David DeJulius has heard from Maryland, Missouri, Cincinnati and Marquette since entering the portal.
Thumbs up
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Well I got egg on my face pretty quick
Meh. Happens to the best. We're all just trying to read the tea leaves. I like your positivity.
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Meh. Happens to the best. We're all just trying to read the tea leaves. I like your positivity.
ABC...Always Be ‘Cruiting. They may have “silent verbals” from Turner, Carton, and Mane, but until they sign, never hurts to keep pressing. Look at Tale, sure he went back to Duke, but he committed to a transfer to change his mind shortly thereafter
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Thumbs up
Kid is good!!!
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So now we’re getting not 1 but 3 silent verbals? Nice.
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Is it good or bad that MU has no one in the transfer portal?
Good: players like MU, coaches, teammates, etc.
Bad: MU has no players who could make a lateral move via transfer.
Probably both.
I hope the “good” is true.
I know the “bad” is.
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I hope the “good” is true.
I know the “bad” is.
I think every single one of our scholarship players could make a lateral move if they chose to. Maybe not any upward moves, but lateral? Sure.
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So now we’re getting not 1 but 3 silent verbals? Nice.
J.Turner, Carton, J.Antonio, K.Mane, DeJulius are all Done Deals
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I think every single one of our scholarship players could make a lateral move if they chose to. Maybe not any upward moves, but lateral? Sure.
Do folks here really think that another Big East team wouldn't find room for Theo, Bailey or Symir, to name three? Really?
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Do folks here really think that another Big East team wouldn't find room for Theo, Bailey or Symir, to name three? Really?
Or Koby, Jamal or Greg, to name three more?
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Or Koby, Jamal or Greg, to name three more?
So when you said you knew it was true none of our players could make a lateral move you meant...3 of 6 listed players?
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Or Koby, Jamal or Greg, to name three more?
I think all three of them could find lateral options.
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I think every single one of our scholarship players could make a lateral move if they chose to. Maybe not any upward moves, but lateral? Sure.
Of course they could.
When an average Patriot League player like Jimmy Sotos can land at Ohio State or Drew Peterson is getting recruited by Big 10, Big East and SEC programs, it's silly to think Greg Elliott or Brendan Bailey or Symir would draw lesser interest.
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Of course they could.
When an average Patriot League player like Jimmy Sotos can land at Ohio State or Drew Peterson is getting recruited by Big 10, Big East and SEC programs, it's silly to think Greg Elliott or Brendan Bailey or Symir would draw lesser interest.
It's also silly to think there is any limit to the silliness of Scoopers sometimes.
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Well I got egg on my face pretty quick
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I remember Buzz doing a lot of quirky shizz but this one escapes me
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Matt Haarms would be a great get for Marquette.
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We are in jamarius burton’s final 4
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Yes, he just cut out Ohio State. I could see him as an impact player at MU.
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Yes, he just cut out Ohio State. I could see him as an impact player at MU.
Not surprising at all since they got a commit from Sotos yesterday
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Is it good or bad that MU has no one in the transfer portal?
Good: players like MU, coaches, teammates, etc.
Bad: MU has no players who could make a lateral move via transfer.
Probably both.
No MU player could make a lateral move? This is not correct. The quality of transfers that land at high major schools is often below our current roster.
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U r an idiot!!
Rich coming from you.
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Seems like a totally unnecessary attack on a young person you don't know at all.
You'll be thrilled to know, however, that it sounds like everybody but Marquette is on his list.
Thank goodness. We'd hate to get a talented 7-footer on the team.
This post was unlike you, JJJJJJJJJ, so I just assume you're having a bad day.
Meh. I stand by it. Ive watched Haarms / Purdue a lot over the years. He’s a gigantic douche on the court. I said he’d be useful (he would). I’m not going to throw a fit or anything if MU gets him (they won’t). But he is not a likable player at all.
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I think all three of them could find lateral options.
If they wanted to sit at the end of the bench, probably.
If they wanted to play, I doubt it.
We’ve had a ton of guys “transfer down” from the MU program (Blankson, Amoroso, Mortenson, Hazel, R Smith, Steve Taylor Jr., Traci Carter, Cheatham, etc.). With the exception of Blankson, “meh” players - like Koby, Greg and Jamal.
Different for the really talented ones (Mason, Maymon, McKey, Burton, Mbakwe, Hauser and Hauser). Always be a high major looking for guys like that.
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If they wanted to sit at the end of the bench, probably.
If they wanted to play, I doubt it.
We’ve had a ton of guys “transfer down” from the MU program (Blankson, Amoroso, Mortenson, Hazel, R Smith, Steve Taylor Jr., Traci Carter, Cheatham, etc.). With the exception of Blankson, “meh” players - like Koby, Greg and Jamal.
Different for the really talented ones (Mason, Maymon, McKey, Burton, Mbakwe, Hauser and Hauser). Always be a high major looking for guys like that.
I wouldn't call ODB's transfer a downward one. Early 2000s UNLV was not a step down from early 2000s MU.
Also, you're making a (false) assumption that those kids chose the absolute best program they could have, rather than chose the program that offered what they wanted and weren't getting at Marquette (namely, significant playing time).
Essentially, the kinds of offers and interest that lesser players are getting on the transfer market today disproves what you're saying.
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I wouldn't call ODB's transfer a downward one. Early 2000s UNLV was not a step down from early 2000s MU.
Also, you're making a (false) assumption that those kids chose the absolute best program they could have, rather than chose the program that offered what they wanted and weren't getting at Marquette (namely, significant playing time).
Essentially, the kinds of offers and interest that lesser players are getting on the transfer market today disproves what you're saying.
If you want to put Blankson with the laterals, fine. As I said, by skill level he belonged there.
I made no false assumptions. Just pointed out the truth. If their goal was to play, they would have to transfer down. If they were OK with riding the pines, a lateral move was a possibility.
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Turner aiming to decide by this weekend...
https://missouri.rivals.com/news/decision-coming-soon-for-transfer-target-turner
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The first couple people to release Carton interest also didn't mention us. Only to find out we were one of the first.
On Tuesday morning, Haarms told 247Sports that he also picked up new interest from Xavier, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech and Texas Tech.
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Turner aiming to decide by this weekend...
https://missouri.rivals.com/news/decision-coming-soon-for-transfer-target-turner
did not realize Mizz had an Detroit connection as well...
Missouri’s pitch to Turner has centered around setting him up for success both on the court and off it. He said the coaching staff sees him as a leader. He was already familiar with assistant coach Cornell Mann, a fellow Detroit native, and he said he has developed a sense of trust with head coach Cuonzo Martin.
“Just going in knowing that I got two coaches that I can trust with my future, that’s big,” Turner said of Martin and Mann.
The Missouri coaches also pointed out the success of graduate transfer Kassius Robertson during the 2017-18 season. Robertson came to Missouri from Canisius and led the Tigers in scoring with 16.3 points per game. Turner said he’s a bit bigger than Robertson, but he sees their games as similar, and the Tiger staff believes he could make a similar impact as a scorer.
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did not realize Mizz had an Detroit connection as well...
Missouri’s pitch to Turner has centered around setting him up for success both on the court and off it. He said the coaching staff sees him as a leader. He was already familiar with assistant coach Cornell Mann, a fellow Detroit native, and he said he has developed a sense of trust with head coach Cuonzo Martin.
“Just going in knowing that I got two coaches that I can trust with my future, that’s big,” Turner said of Martin and Mann.
The Missouri coaches also pointed out the success of graduate transfer Kassius Robertson during the 2017-18 season. Robertson came to Missouri from Canisius and led the Tigers in scoring with 16.3 points per game. Turner said he’s a bit bigger than Robertson, but he sees their games as similar, and the Tiger staff believes he could make a similar impact as a scorer.
If Turner wants real exposure, MU gives him that compared to Missouri. He will get the ball at both places, time will tell.
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Hopefully, for some recruits, playing at Fiserv Forum might influence a decision in Wojo’s favor.
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If they wanted to sit at the end of the bench, probably.
If they wanted to play, I doubt it.
We’ve had a ton of guys “transfer down” from the MU program (Blankson, Amoroso, Mortenson, Hazel, R Smith, Steve Taylor Jr., Traci Carter, Cheatham, etc.). With the exception of Blankson, “meh” players - like Koby, Greg and Jamal.
Different for the really talented ones (Mason, Maymon, McKey, Burton, Mbakwe, Hauser and Hauser). Always be a high major looking for guys like that.
Blankson???
Kid had a really nice career for a then pretty strong UNLV team, he was a really big loss
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Blankson???
Kid had a really nice career for a then pretty strong UNLV team, he was a really big loss
He played one year for a team that lost in the first round of the NIT.
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He played one year for a team that lost in the first round of the NIT.
His stats were nice 17 and 10, shooting 57 from 2 and 36 from 3. We definitely could have used that. He played at UNLV for two years. The first google search only showed 1 year of playing. He scored over 1000 pts for UNLV
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His stats were nice 17 and 10, shooting 57 from 2 and 36 from 3. We definitely could have used that. He played at UNLV for two years. The first google search only showed 1 year of playing. He scored over 1000 pts for UNLV
Yep
Fluffy spouts off about alot
But it appears he has been following MU for about 2 years
Maybe win an NCAA if he stayed maybe not, but prolly make the NCAAs in 2004
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Is it good or bad that MU has no one in the transfer portal?
Good: players like MU, coaches, teammates, etc.
Bad: MU has no players who could make a lateral move via transfer.
Probably both.
I think it is good. However, I worry that transfers are still coming. MU has a history of not releasing players until they finish the school year. New transfers are being announce every day.
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Yep
Fluffy spouts off about alot
But it appears he has been following MU for about 2 years
Maybe win an NCAA if he stayed maybe not, but prolly make the NCAAs in 2004
I was addressing the "pretty strong UNLV" portion of your statement. He was a good player who would have clearly had an impact.
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I think it is good. However, I worry that transfers are still coming. MU has a history of not releasing players until they finish the school year. New transfers are being announce every day.
There aren’t very many guys on the team that are logical transfers. Koby is really the only guy that makes a little sense because he could possibly be in a position grad transfer. Doesn’t sound like the immediate transfer rule is going to go into effect for next season. Plus, based on our lack of guard depth, Koby will get plenty of PT.
Besides him, who makes any sense? Bailey is already 23 years old. Greg and Dexter have already used their redshirts. If Jamal is still around, he’s not leaving - next year is his best chance at real PT. Theo is the only big on the roster. Symir is going to get a ton of PT next season and seems to love where he’s at. That’s it - that’s the entire returning roster.
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There aren’t very many guys on the team that are logical transfers. Koby is really the only guy that makes a little sense because he could possibly be in a position grad transfer. Doesn’t sound like the immediate transfer rule is going to go into effect for next season. Plus, based on our lack of guard depth, Koby will get plenty of PT.
Besides him, who makes any sense? Bailey is already 23 years old. Greg and Dexter have already used their redshirts. If Jamal is still around, he’s not leaving - next year is his best chance at real PT. Theo is the only big on the roster. Symir is going to get a ton of PT next season and seems to love where he’s at. That’s it - that’s the entire returning roster.
Sometimes transfers aren't very logical.
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Sometimes transfers aren't very logical.
Obviously. But many of them make a world of sense, and that’s all we have to go off. Going into the offseason I wouldn’t have been shocked to see a departure or two. But at this point, when all things are considered, it doesn’t seem very likely.
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If Turner wants real exposure, MU gives him that compared to Missouri. He will get the ball at both places, time will tell.
What I noticed in the article was that he was watching to see if the teams roster changed. Reading between the lines, I took this to mean that a commitment from Mane or Carton would end his interest in MU.
I think Wojo is telling all three that they will have the ball in their hands. Therefore the idea of two of the three coming is a pipe dream. Hopefully, we get one of them.
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Carton and Turner could absolutely play together. I think having an elite PG would brew an attraction for a scorer like Turner.
If there was an either or situation, it would be Mane and Turner.
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Carton and Turner could absolutely play together. I think having an elite PG would brew an attraction for a scorer like Turner.
If there was an either or situation, it would be Mane and Turner.
Although if Carton sat out a year(which some have said he wants to do(supposedly)), then Turner wouldn't even play with him.
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Re: Immediate transfer rule - no, I don't think that's going to come to fruition this off-season.
HOWEVA...
Until I'm shown evidence to the contrary, I think with this whole virus/pandemic/not finishing up the postseason for 19/20, the LARGE majority of transfers this off-season will be granted an immediate eligibility waiver.
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There aren’t very many guys on the team that are logical transfers. Koby is really the only guy that makes a little sense because he could possibly be in a position grad transfer. Doesn’t sound like the immediate transfer rule is going to go into effect for next season. Plus, based on our lack of guard depth, Koby will get plenty of PT.
Besides him, who makes any sense? Bailey is already 23 years old. Greg and Dexter have already used their redshirts. If Jamal is still around, he’s not leaving - next year is his best chance at real PT. Theo is the only big on the roster. Symir is going to get a ton of PT next season and seems to love where he’s at. That’s it - that’s the entire returning roster.
I agree with this analysis.
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There aren’t very many guys on the team that are logical transfers. Koby is really the only guy that makes a little sense because he could possibly be in a position grad transfer. Doesn’t sound like the immediate transfer rule is going to go into effect for next season. Plus, based on our lack of guard depth, Koby will get plenty of PT.
Besides him, who makes any sense? Bailey is already 23 years old. Greg and Dexter have already used their redshirts. If Jamal is still around, he’s not leaving - next year is his best chance at real PT. Theo is the only big on the roster. Symir is going to get a ton of PT next season and seems to love where he’s at. That’s it - that’s the entire returning roster.
I believe Cain makes more sense than Koby. I think Koby is more wishful thinking by some than a true flight risk.
I think Cain would be more likely because he has a good amount of raw potential that hasn’t come to fruition. Taking a year off to practice and hone your skills so that your senior year can showcase a more finished product makes sense. If I was him, I would think about redshirting to get better and graduate with my buddy.
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I thought only Stan kept players in the Marquette basketball program. I thought Stan left. I figured the program would just fold since no players would want to be here and play under Wojo without Stan forcing them against their will to do so.
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Tyrese Martin committed to UConn. MU had been mentioned early in the process. Not sure if he had trimmed his list or not before committing. Too bad, other than Carton might have been the best sit out transfer on the market this season.
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I thought only Stan kept players in the Marquette basketball program. I thought Stan left. I figured the program would just fold since no players would want to be here and play under Wojo without Stan forcing them against their will to do so.
See above. Tell me what player on our roster makes ANY sense to transfer? I’m glad all are apparently staying. That’s good. Yet, not sure we can hang our hat on this as proof positive Wojo is the reason.
Could you share with the board what you see in Wojo that leads you to believe he is above reproach or should be immune from skepticism/criticism? I’m genuinely curious why for 6 years straight you’ve been die hard in your support?
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See above. Tell me what player on our roster makes ANY sense to transfer? I’m glad all are apparently staying. That’s good. Yet, not sure we can hang our hat on this as proof positive Wojo is the reason.
Could you share with the board what you see in Wojo that leads you to believe he is above reproach or should be immune from skepticism/criticism? I’m genuinely curious why for 6 years straight you’ve been die hard in your support?
I support Wojo because he is the head coach of Marquette’s men’s basketball program and I’m a fan of the Marquette men’s basketball team.
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I support Wojo because he is the head coach of Marquette’s men’s basketball program and I’m a fan of the Marquette men’s basketball team.
Bob Dukiet would have loved you. Maybe played a piano recital for you and your family. He always said his next piano recital was his most important one.
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Bob Dukiet would have loved you. Maybe played a piano recital for you and your family. He always said his next piano recital was his most important one.
That’s cool.
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I support Wojo because he is the head coach of Marquette’s men’s basketball program and I’m a fan of the Marquette men’s basketball team.
Is it impossible to be a fan of the team but not necessarily be a fan of the Coach?? Are the two mutually exclusive?? I mean I think that happened a lot when Crean was here and Buzz too, and is likely the case at many programs around the country.
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Re: Immediate transfer rule - no, I don't think that's going to come to fruition this off-season.
HOWEVA...
Until I'm shown evidence to the contrary, I think with this whole virus/pandemic/not finishing up the postseason for 19/20, the LARGE majority of transfers this off-season will be granted an immediate eligibility waiver.
I think there is a good chance we will have another shorten season. Having a vaccine ready for next season does seems very iffy to me. Sitting out the season might be the wise thing to do.
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Nm
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Bob Dukiet would have loved you. Maybe played a piano recital for you and your family. He always said his next piano recital was his most important one.
Amen.
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See above. Tell me what player on our roster makes ANY sense to transfer?
It didn't make much sense for Sam to transfer last year, but here you go.
Any player can transfer for whatever perceived reason. I think the biggest reason would be unhappiness and/or dissatisfaction with their role. If that were the case, based on some of the reports I read here, I would think a bunch would consider transferring.
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It didn't make much sense for Sam to transfer last year, but here you go.
Any player can transfer for whatever perceived reason. I think the biggest reason would be unhappiness and/or dissatisfaction with their role. If that were the case, based on some of the reports I read here, I would think a bunch would consider transferring.
What reports are you reading here about players being dissatisfied with their projected role next year? The PT for next year is wide open and there for the taking for all of the existing guys. Maybe we land an impact grad transfer or two that limits PT of some, but at this stage, that hasn't happened.
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It didn't make much sense for Sam to transfer last year, but here you go.
Any player can transfer for whatever perceived reason. I think the biggest reason would be unhappiness and/or dissatisfaction with their role. If that were the case, based on some of the reports I read here, I would think a bunch would consider transferring.
Given every player's total hatred and distrust for the worst coach in basketball history, I would think we would have zero players on our roster for last season. I also am amazed that any of the recruits signed to come to Marquette. Stan must have done a great job of shielding them from finding out about Wojo's legendary de-motivating tactics. And forget about any recruits ever deciding to play at Marquette again, now that Stan isn't around.
Guess it's time to become an ND, Madison or Dayton fan, everybody.
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What reports are you reading here about players being dissatisfied with their projected role next year? The PT for next year is wide open and there for the taking for all of the existing guys. Maybe we land an impact grad transfer or two that limits PT of some, but at this stage, that hasn't happened.
Sam's role would have been stellar this year too, but here we are.
According to reports from the likes of you, Stan was the only one keeping the team together. Stan leaves. No one transfers. So now the line is that of course no one is transferring!!! See the potential PT available next year???
I guess you can continue to build whatever narrative you want to build.
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I believe Cain makes more sense than Koby.
I think Cain would be more likely because he has a good amount of raw potential that hasn’t come to fruition. Taking a year off to practice and hone your skills so that your senior year can showcase a more finished product makes sense. If I was him, I would think about redshirting to get better and graduate with my buddy.
crazy to look back and its been 3 years in already for Cain & Elliot. Cain finished as a top 100 4 star on 247 and we stole him from Beilein, Elliot underrated but we beat out Izzo for him. Both in their backyards.
Cain: 3.9 ppg, 3.2 reb, 0.5 ast in 93 career games
Elliot: 4.7 ppg, 2.4 reb, 1.4 ast in 59 carer games (redshirted a season)
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Harvard transfer Bryce Aiken is deciding tomorrow on Iowa State, Maryland, Michigan, and Seton Hall. Definitely want him to pick ISU to help us on the D.J. Carton front.
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Harvard transfer Bryce Aiken is deciding tomorrow on Iowa State, Maryland, Michigan, and Seton Hall. Definitely want him to pick ISU to help us on the D.J. Carton front.
It will be the hall unfortunately. Don't want him in the conference.
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Duke transfer Alex O'Connell just committed to Creighton.
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Duke transfer Alex O'Connell just committed to Creighton.
Crown their asses already.
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Crown their asses already.
I'm pretty sure O'Connell has to sit out next year.
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Justin Turner started following...Sam Hauser ?-( Anyone want to speculate if that's good or bad for MU??
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Justin Turner started following...Sam Hauser ?-( Anyone want to speculate if that's good or bad for MU??
Oh I’m sure Sam will give a glowing report.
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Justin Turner started following...Sam Hauser ?-( Anyone want to speculate if that's good or bad for MU??
I'd be more concerned if he were following Joey
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Oh I’m sure Sam will give a glowing report.
Just like I am sure Jerrone Maymon will too (Missouri grad assistant)
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Oh I’m sure Sam will give a glowing report.
Actually I think it was said that Sam and his parents have no ill will towards MU. He still follows a ton of MU guys on twitter.
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Maybe Sam will write him a letter.
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Just like I am sure Jerrone Maymon will too (Missouri grad assistant)
Different coach.
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Maymon might be done there anyway. I think you can only be a GA for two years and he just finished his second. Looks like a bada$$ GA too.
https://mutigers.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/coaches/jeronne-maymon/1404
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Justin Turner started following...Sam Hauser ?-( Anyone want to speculate if that's good or bad for MU??
Sam grad transferring back to MU???
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Sam grad transferring back to MU???
Haha
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Justin Turner started following...Sam Hauser ?-( Anyone want to speculate if that's good or bad for MU??
OMG
That would be an epic circle jerk
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Sam grad transferring back to MU???
It's the kind of news we all need right now.
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April Fools Day was last Wednesday. .
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Justin Turner started following...Sam Hauser ?-( Anyone want to speculate if that's good or bad for MU??
Sam who?
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Jon Rothstein
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Wichita State transfer Jamarius Burton tells me he will make a decision this week.
Final list:
Texas Tech
Xavier
Seton Hall
Marquette
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So we can expect a decision between two of our top targets in the next few days - Burton and Turner.
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Purdue's Matt Haarms will be a grad transfer.
DePaul mentioned as a school that has reached out.
Bwaaahhaaahahha!
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So we can expect a decision between two of our top targets in the next few days - Burton and Turner.
Correct...and Idk y, just a gut feel that Burton chooses MU. In the last article about him when he cut to 4, he mentioned that style of play was a huge factor, and he wanted to play faster than he did at Wichita. Of his 4 finalists, MU by far plays the fastest. According to Xavier insiders, they don't believe they will be his choice. Seton hall is likely to get a commit from Bryce Aiken tomorrow, which would leave them with one scholarship left that they really have to hold for Sanoga. That leaves Texas Tech and MU. If style of play and playing fast matters to him, and it does...“The biggest thing is style of play. I ask the coaches what players I should be watching, and who I play like. All of that little stuff, and then I go back and watch the film to see if I fit in. I am taking into account tempo, how fast teams play, and see if I fit. I don’t know our pace at Wichita but want to play a little bit faster.”
Then to me anyway, MU would be his choice over T Tech. I also find it interesting that he has suddenly moved up his timeline. he had originally said a week or two, all of a sudden now it's this week..What is prompting him to decide sooner?? Could be lots of things.
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Purdue's Matt Haarms will be a grad transfer.
DePaul mentioned as a school that has reached out.
Bwaaahhaaahahha!
There’s no haarm in asking.
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Do not know to much about Burton, how does he compare to Carton, Turner, how does he fit? Starter?
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Do not know to much about Burton, how does he compare to Carton, Turner, how does he fit? Starter?
Definite starter..He's a sit out guy so he wouldn't play with Turner, unless of course he got a waiver.
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Definite starter..He's a sit out guy so he wouldn't play with Turner, unless of course he got a waiver.
For some reason, I see transfers all playing next year, so if you think he is a starter, your backcourt might be Burton and Turner??
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Any word if MU is interested?
Purdue's Matt Haarms will be a grad transfer.
DePaul mentioned as a school that has reached out.
Bwaaahhaaahahha!
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For some reason, I see transfers all playing next year, so if you think he is a starter, your backcourt might be Burton and Turner??
Yes, if he gets a waiver, I could definitely see that as the starting back court. Burton's nickname is "grandpa", because he's an old soul and has been described as very mature and a great leader...just by the thoroughness of how he's gone through the process is a definite indication of that. I watched Wichita decent amount this last year, and most nights he was their best player on the floor. With his driving ability and Turner's driving ability, I wonder if that will be Wojo's "change in offensive philosophy" next year...guys that can get to the rim and put pressure on the defense repeatedly. Burton did also shoot 38% from 3 last year as well.
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The lads shoes are big
They must be filled by giants
Burton and Turner?
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Interview with Turner...decision Sunday or Monday
https://twitter.com/JordanStrack/status/1248049358039404549?s=20
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Wichita State transfer Jamarius Burton tells me he will make a decision this week.
Final list:
Texas Tech
Xavier
Seton Hall
Marquette
Playing in the Big East is of apparent interest.
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I watched Wichita decent amount this last year, and most nights he was their best player on the floor.
definitively interesting when you look at this vs top 50 teams and vs top 100 teams from last year:
http://barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?year=2020&p=Jamarius%20Burton&t=Wichita%20St.
other thing of note, 13 of his 24 total made 3P came in 4 games (2 games in November, other 2 games in March). 11 total in the remaining 26 games. With a 9 game stretch in January & February where he went 2/14. so his 38% 3P is misleading.
Some pretty rough EFG & TS numbers, but a nice passer. Will definitely need some shooters around him
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Playing in the Big East is of apparent interest.
However, Xavier insiders have said he's not going there, and Hall is expected to get a commit today from Bryce Aiken, leaving them with one scholarship which they have to save for Sonogoa. So...MU or Texas Tech is my guess.
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Would love Burton to get the dominoes rolling. Then one of Carton/Turner and that is a hell of a transfer period.
Even 1/3 would be good but I'm holding out hope for 2.
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Are there any PF/C grad transfers seriously considering Marquette at this point?
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Are there any PF/C grad transfers seriously considering Marquette at this point?
None that any of them mentioned. MU didn't really express interest in many either(that we know of).
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Aiken commits to SHU, which hopefully takes them out of the running for Burton.
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definitively interesting when you look at this vs top 50 teams and vs top 100 teams from last year:
http://barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?year=2020&p=Jamarius%20Burton&t=Wichita%20St.
other thing of note, 13 of his 24 total made 3P came in 4 games (2 games in November, other 2 games in March). 11 total in the remaining 26 games. With a 9 game stretch in January & February where he went 2/14. so his 38% 3P is misleading.
Some pretty rough EFG & TS numbers, but a nice passer. Will definitely need some shooters around him
Have never seen him play. The numbers linked above are fairly pedestrian. Having a year to sit out and work on his game would help. WE obviously need to get some more guards in the program, so would be good to land him.
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Have never seen him play. The numbers linked above are fairly pedestrian. Having a year to sit out and work on his game would help. WE obviously need to get some more guards in the program, so would be good to land him.
Elite defensive player too. He's not a go to guy like Carton or Turner but he'd be a solid piece and probably our best guard if the roster stays as currently constructed.
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Payton Willis for the gophers is transferring.
Hopefully we get our current guys so we don't have to even consider this one.
But hes a guard that can shoot it a bit.
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Have never seen him play. The numbers linked above are fairly pedestrian. Having a year to sit out and work on his game would help. WE obviously need to get some more guards in the program, so would be good to land him.
He was one of the top 2 or 3 players on a top 40 team. He's not a future All American but he would be a very solid starter for all but the top programs.
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He was one of the top 2 or 3 players on a top 40 team. He's not a future All American but he would be a very solid starter for all but the top programs.
AGreed, and would take him and be happy about it. My only issue is a commitment by him could potentially preclude a commitment from an even bigger difference maker like Carton. I guess that is life, but would love to bring in Carton over any one on the market.
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Are there any PF/C grad transfers seriously considering Marquette at this point?
I think MU was mentioned with Asbjorn Midtgaard, a big from Wichita State. I think he's a sit one, play one. But obviously all guys will have a shot at a waiver considering the circumstances. Not sure if he's still considering MU.
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Payton Willis for the gophers is transferring.
Hopefully we get our current guys so we don't have to even consider this one.
But hes a guard that can shoot it a bit.
Marquette reached out. Wonder it means for Turner, etc
https://twitter.com/ARHoopScoop/status/1248332326326730753?s=20
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Marquette reached out. Wonder it means for Turner, etc
https://twitter.com/ARHoopScoop/status/1248332326326730753?s=20
I think it means that we are talking to everyone. Always be recruiting.
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Marquette reached out. Wonder it means for Turner, etc
https://twitter.com/ARHoopScoop/status/1248332326326730753?s=20
Seems like a quality player, to be honest.
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Seems like a quality player, to be honest.
Pretty 1 dimensional but hes got a good stroke.
Had really tough luck on a lot of down and out 3s last year.
He would be a solid floor spacer, but i want the other guys way more
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There was a video last night with Turner and it appeared from the video that he has determined where to go yet.
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Marquette reached out. Wonder it means for Turner, etc
https://twitter.com/ARHoopScoop/status/1248332326326730753?s=20
I mean, we have 3 scholarships to use.
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Not sure if has been said yet or matters but it is official Bryce Aiken to Seton Hall
See it was already mentioned my bad.
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InsideCarolina
@InsideCarolina
#UNC junior Brandon Huffman will enter the NCAA transfer portal, sources confirm. STORY: https://247sports.com/college/north-carolina/Article/Brandon-Huffman-NCAA-Transfer-Portal-UNC-Tar-Heels-Basketball-145672247/
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Ranked as the 8th best traditional transfer by Brian Snow
Name: Jamarius Burton
Position: Combo Guard
Years Remaining: Two
Schools Interested: Texas Tech, Xavier, Seton Hall and Marquette
A decision is expected soon for Burton who is one of the most well-rounded players on the transfer market. At 6-foot-4 and 200 pounds, Burton can do a little bit of everything on the court as evidenced by his sophomore year at Wichita State. This past season Burton put up 10.3 points, 3.5 rebounds and 3.4 assists per game while shooting 44 percent from the floor.
More than anything, what Burton can bring is toughness, and a defensive presence. Because he can impact things in so many different ways, Burton was heavily pursued by high-major programs, and should be expected to help on both ends of the floor once eligible.
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https://painttouches.com/2020/04/10/2020-transfer-tracker-april-10th-edition/
Paint Touches' take on the top sit out transfers currently available. MU involved with 3 out of the top 6
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Burton decision Monday...
https://twitter.com/MarquetteHoops/status/1248627169468743680?s=20
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Not the right thread but HUGE Big East news...
Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
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Creighton guard Ty-Shon Alexander (16.9 ppg) expected to declare for the NBA Draft & barring a change of heart, his intention is to remain in the draft and bypass his senior season, NBA source told @Stadium
. Hit to a Bluejays team that's currently in everyone’s Preseason Top 4.
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Not the right thread but HUGE Big East news...
Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
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Creighton guard Ty-Shon Alexander (16.9 ppg) expected to declare for the NBA Draft & barring a change of heart, his intention is to remain in the draft and bypass his senior season, NBA source told @Stadium
. Hit to a Bluejays team that's currently in everyone’s Preseason Top 4.
not so Good Friday in Omaha.
Mintz to Kentucky & Ty-Shon to NBA
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Not the right thread but HUGE Big East news...
Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
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Creighton guard Ty-Shon Alexander (16.9 ppg) expected to declare for the NBA Draft & barring a change of heart, his intention is to remain in the draft and bypass his senior season, NBA source told @Stadium
. Hit to a Bluejays team that's currently in everyone’s Preseason Top 4.
Thats a big loss, I thought they had the best tandem of guards in the country last year. Creighton still will be good, but now they will be at least beatable. Losing Mintz as well who was pretty good 2 years ago. Get O'Connell from Duke, so he will help but not nearly as good as Alexander.
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Burton decision Monday...
https://twitter.com/MarquetteHoops/status/1248627169468743680?s=20
Brian Snow just said Texas Tech is he prediction
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Brian Snow just said Texas Tech is he prediction
Link?
I think it's TTU or MU.
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Link?
I think it's TTU or MU.
Snow posted his Burton article on the Xavier board & was asked in comments what his prediction was (behind paywall but here is link):
https://247sports.com/college/xavier/Board/105490/Contents/Jamarius-Burton-sets-his-decision-date-145906770/
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Snow posted his Burton article on the Xavier board & was asked in comments what his prediction was (behind paywall but here is link):
https://247sports.com/college/xavier/Board/105490/Contents/Jamarius-Burton-sets-his-decision-date-145906770/
Thanks. He usually has good info but hopefully he's off here.
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Not the right thread but HUGE Big East news...
Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
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Creighton guard Ty-Shon Alexander (16.9
ppg) expected to declare for the NBA Draft & barring a change of heart, his intention is to remain in the draft and bypass his senior season, NBA source told @Stadium
. Hit to a Bluejays team that's currently in everyone’s Preseason Top 4.
Maybe not the right thread either but Davion Mintz officially Committed to Kentucky today too. Wow You are fast this is already on here too.
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Thanks. He usually has good info but hopefully he's off here.
It always amazes me seeing these "experts" and their predictions...especially when it comes to transfers...Fr instance, you haven't seen anyone anywhere think MU is even a serious player for Turner. The few predictions/rumblings out there are all for Missouri. Then Snow makes a prediction for Texas Tech for Burton(which is okay because I always felt it would be TT or MU), but doesn't even mention MU, like they aren't even a player in all of this. It pisses me off how disrespected they always seem to be.
Anyway, anyone else find it interesting that Burton is announcing Monday when that is also possibly the same date Turner announces??
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Anyway, anyone else find it interesting that Burton is announcing Monday when that is also possibly the same date Turner announces??
Hopefully not Wojo on Monday
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Hopefully not Wojo on Monday
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Boy this would be incredibly disappointing..like HUGE. Getting Turner would be a fantastic get, do not get me wrong, but I had been getting really excited at the idea that they could land two legitimate top of the market transfers. So yes, while Carton is still out there(but been so quiet no one knows what's up with that) and they could end up with Carton and Turner, and it will would be all great, it just suddenly feels like all they may get is one of those...But if they could only get one, Turner would be the one I want and yet, it would still be disappointing to only land him..that would be a huge buzzkill, though still good, if that makes any sense??
I guess there is also the possibility, given the timing of when Burton is announcing that Wojo backed off because he feels pretty good about landing Turner.
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I’d be thrilled if we land a single one of the top 10 transfers out there. Every team in the country is shopping for these players. Look at guys like Tape who ends up at Duke. He’s not even good and he’s going to arguably the best program in the country.
I would expect no more than one difference maker.
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Boy this would be incredibly disappointing..like HUGE. Getting Turner would be a fantastic get, do not get me wrong, but I had been getting really excited at the idea that they could land two legitimate top of the market transfers. So yes, while Carton is still out there(but been so quiet no one knows what's up with that) and they could end up with Carton and Turner, and it will would be all great, it just suddenly feels like all they may get is one of those...that would be a huge buzzkill, though still good, if that makes any sense??
fair to say these are/were MU "A" options:
A.Griffin
C.Jones
J.Turner - next 72 hours
J.Burton - next 72 hours
DJ Carton - who the hell knows
Mane
DeJulius
as long as Wojo doesn't come out of this with just Jonah Antonio or something...
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Boy this would be incredibly disappointing..like HUGE. Getting Turner would be a fantastic get, do not get me wrong, but I had been getting really excited at the idea that they could land two legitimate top of the market transfers. So yes, while Carton is still out there(but been so quiet no one knows what's up with that) and they could end up with Carton and Turner, and it will would be all great, it just suddenly feels like all they may get is one of those...But if they could only get one, Turner would be the one I want and yet, it would still be disappointing to only land him..that would be a huge buzzkill, though still good, if that makes any sense??
I guess there is also the possibility, given the timing of when Burton is announcing that Wojo backed off because he feels pretty good about landing Turner.
I honestly appreciate how quick you've been on updates with the transfers, guru.
But man......take a few breaths. We'll be alright.
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I’d be thrilled if we land a single one of the top 10 transfers out there. Every team in the country is shopping for these players. Look at guys like Tape who ends up at Duke. He’s not even good and he’s going to arguably the best program in the country.
I would expect no more than one difference maker.
Agree. Landing more than one transfer who expects major minutes and I think we start seeing some pretty major shakeups with the current roster. Depending on who you ask, that may or may not be a big deal.
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Agree. Landing more than one transfer who expects major minutes and I think we start seeing some pretty major shakeups with the current roster. Depending on who you ask, that may or may not be a big deal.
I’m not even taking current roster makeup into consideration. I just think playing the percentages there’s too much competition for even mediocre transfers to think that MU will land two difference makers.
Give me one and let’s see what happens.
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We need two transfers, if Koby plays even more than spot minutes at the PG spot MU will have another under achieving year. MU underachieved last year imo, because our PG play was a trainwreck with koby. He ma ybe ok as a role player at the 2 or 3. If we cannot do better than Koby at the point then we will be in for another underacheiving season. Cant have the Keystone Kop at PG again
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We need two transfers, if Koby plays even more than spot minutes at the PG spot MU will have another under achieving year. MU underachieved last year imo, because our PG play was a trainwreck with koby. He ma ybe ok as a role player at the 2 or 3. If we cannot do better than Koby at the point then we will be in for another underacheiving season. Cant have the Keystone Kop at PG again
Sy will be the starting PG, book it.
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I’m not even taking current roster makeup into consideration. I just think playing the percentages there’s too much competition for even mediocre transfers to think that MU will land two difference makers.
Give me one and let’s see what happens.
I think it all depends on waivers/immediate eligibility. Carton may be natural waiver candidate, but I don't really think Burton is. Only way I see Burton getting a waiver is if the NCAA basically does blanket waivers. Carton may also want to take a RS year to get his personal stuff sorted out, which is worth keeping in mind.
I guess what I am trying to say is a Carton commit may scare off Turner, but I think Turner will commit before Carton based on what we know. I don't think a Turner commit will scare off Carton at all - I think Burton may have more of a factor on Carton.
In any event, getting 2 of those 3 would be a pretty big win for Wojo and Co.
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Sy will be the starting PG, book it.
Oh I think that is highly doubtful.
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I think it all depends on waivers/immediate eligibility. Carton may be natural waiver candidate, but I don't really think Burton is. Only way I see Burton getting a waiver is if the NCAA basically does blanket waivers. Carton may also want to take a RS year to get his personal stuff sorted out, which is worth keeping in mind.
I guess what I am trying to say is a Carton commit may scare off Turner, but I think Turner will commit before Carton based on what we know. I don't think a Turner commit will scare off Carton at all - I think Burton may have more of a factor on Carton.
In any event, getting 2 of those 3 would be a pretty big win for Wojo and Co.
ESPN is reporting that the NCAA will meet 4/24 to discuss the one time transfer waiver and then vote on 5/20 for 20/21 implementation. Will also discuss various NIL proposals.
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ESPN is reporting that the NCAA will meet 4/24 to discuss the one time transfer waiver and then vote on 5/20 for 20/21 implementation. Will also discuss various NIL proposals.
Yah, the talking heads have been saying they think the one time transfer without sitting out will be implemented for 21/22 season. But perhaps the NCAA does a blanket waiver for all transfers this year due to Coronavirus - its possible.
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Oh I think that is highly doubtful.
Why do you think that?
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Why do you think that?
Because I don’t think he is nearly as good on both ends of the floor as his Scoop reputation. The only possible way I see it is if we strike out on transfers.
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Because I don’t think he is nearly as good on both ends of the floor as his Scoop reputation. The only possible way I see it is if we strike out on transfers.
Fair enough. I guess we differ in abilities, plus I have a suspicion he has been given the keys to the car by Wojo (hence his tweet from awhile back).
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Hopefully not Wojo on Monday
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Green Wienie, aina?
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https://twitter.com/thetrueone1_/status/1248677183012458498?s=21
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David DeJulius is down to four, and MU is one of them:
https://twitter.com/endless_motor/status/1248679991979708416?s=19
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David DeJulius is down to four, and MU is one of them:
https://twitter.com/endless_motor/status/1248679991979708416?s=19
This is great news. Looks like MU, ISU and Mizzou are in close competition for the top transfers on the market (Burton, Dejulius and Turner). Which would make one thing there's a good chance of us landing at least one (and likely only one).
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https://twitter.com/thetrueone1_/status/1248677183012458498?s=21
Interestingly enough, Koby started follwing him on twitter, and just now, Ben Steele started following him.
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@jakeweingarten: Michigan transfer David DeJulius is down to his final-four schools, he told @Stockrisers: Iowa State, Cincinnati, Marquette and Missouri. He had 20+ high-major programs reach out.
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Green Wienie, aina?
I know how disappointed you were that Wojo landed Garcia, Doc, so it's not too surprising that you're rooting harder than ever for the "Green Wienie" now.
You'll have to forgive the rest of us for hoping you don't get to celebrate this time, either.
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I know how disappointed you were that Wojo landed Garcia, Doc, so it's not too surprising that you're rooting harder than ever for the "Green Wienie" now.
You'll have to forgive the rest of us for hoping you don't get to celebrate this time, either.
Yep. of all the times to be bitter. Now?
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I know how disappointed you were that Wojo landed Garcia, Doc, so it's not too surprising that you're rooting harder than ever for the "Green Wienie" now.
You'll have to forgive the rest of us for hoping you don't get to celebrate this time, either.
Remember Al McGuire? That was awesome
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For those in the know, what seems like a reasonable wish-list?
- Carton (3 years of eligibility at PG, although he sounds like a guy who wants to leave early)
- Turner (would be our best player and make a 2021 tourney appearance more likely)
- DeJulius (2 years of eligibility, shot-making PG who put up good numbers in average minutes on a good Michigan team)
- Burton (2 years of eligibility, looks like a do-everything guard we haven't had since the Buzz days)
What do you guys/chick think?
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For those in the know, what seems like a reasonable wish-list?
- Carton (3 years of eligibility at PG, although he sounds like a guy who wants to leave early)
- Turner (would be our best player and make a 2021 tourney appearance more likely)
- DeJulius (2 years of eligibility, shot-making PG who put up good numbers in average minutes on a good Michigan team)
- Burton (2 years of eligibility, looks like a do-everything guard we haven't had since the Buzz days)
What do you guys/chick think?
I think 2/4 is a realistic wish list. One of Carton/Turner and one of DeJulius/Burton. My personal preference would be Turner and Burton, and I'd certainly take 3 of them if one of them wants to sit out and not go through the waiver process.
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For those in the know, what seems like a reasonable wish-list?
- Carton (3 years of eligibility at PG, although he sounds like a guy who wants to leave early)
- Turner (would be our best player and make a 2021 tourney appearance more likely)
- DeJulius (2 years of eligibility, shot-making PG who put up good numbers in average minutes on a good Michigan team)
- Burton (2 years of eligibility, looks like a do-everything guard we haven't had since the Buzz days)
What do you guys/chick think?
A reasonable wish list would be one of those players, and if I had my pick, it would be an immediately eligible Carton due to eligibility years. That being said I would really be happy with any of the four. My preference being Carton > Turner > Burton > Dejulius.
I think Turner is the biggest difference maker, but he would be only around for 1 year, and would be making a step up from a lesser league, which we all know impacts performance.
I think hoping for more than 1 commit is fine, I just think you'd be getting your hopes up for something that is highly unlikely.
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I think 2/4 is a realistic wish list. One of Carton/Turner and one of DeJulius/Burton. My personal preference would be Turner and Burton, and I'd certainly take 3 of them if one of them wants to sit out and not go through the waiver process.
Why one of Carton/Turner? They are probably the two players most different from each other, Turner being a pure SG and Carton a PG.
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Would not mind landing DeJulius at all. solid player
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For those in the know, what seems like a reasonable wish-list?
- Carton (3 years of eligibility at PG, although he sounds like a guy who wants to leave early)
- Turner (would be our best player and make a 2021 tourney appearance more likely)
- DeJulius (2 years of eligibility, shot-making PG who put up good numbers in average minutes on a good Michigan team)
- Burton (2 years of eligibility, looks like a do-everything guard we haven't had since the Buzz days)
What do you guys/chick think?
as long as it's not June and were adding Jonah Antonio & Asbjorn Midtgaard - things are looking flush with options at the moment
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Why one of Carton/Turner? They are probably the two players most different from each other, Turner being a pure SG and Carton a PG.
They are different players but they'd both command more of the ball than someone like Burton. Just my opinion.
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For those in the know, what seems like a reasonable wish-list?
- Carton (3 years of eligibility at PG, although he sounds like a guy who wants to leave early)
- Turner (would be our best player and make a 2021 tourney appearance more likely)
- DeJulius (2 years of eligibility, shot-making PG who put up good numbers in average minutes on a good Michigan team)
- Burton (2 years of eligibility, looks like a do-everything guard we haven't had since the Buzz days)
What do you guys/chick think?
For clarity, this order is my preferred wish-list. 1/4 would be nice, 2/4 would be great.
We need a quality PG to pair with our young bigs, so Carton and DeJulius would be fantastic.
Turner would make 2020-2021 more palatable, and the more you hear about Burton the more we could use that as well. Like WarriorPride said, currently flush with options. Hope we get 2 of them.
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Mike Smith to Michigan. Now the Dejulius transfer makes perfect sense.
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My personal opinion...given they are in the final 4 for DeJulius, the Carton ship has sailed. Just my opinion.
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I know how disappointed you were that Wojo landed Garcia, Doc, so it's not too surprising that you're rooting harder than ever for the "Green Wienie" now.
You'll have to forgive the rest of us for hoping you don't get to celebrate this time, either.
Based on history until Woj shows the Warrior fanbase that he's more than just the administration's favorite son, its hard to get excited. Wishing all of us seashell and balloons over the next few days, hey?
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My personal opinion...given they are in the final 4 for DeJulius, the Carton ship has sailed. Just my opinion.
We're in the final 4 for 2 other PG's at this point. Not sure how this has anything to do with anything
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Ben Steele and...Allison Kellaher are following Burton on Twitter.
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It makes perfect sense to take Burton and Dejulius if they have to sit a year because it evens out the classes.Throw in Turner as a grad and all set.Leaving 4 scholarships for the 2021 class
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We're in the final 4 for 2 other PG's at this point. Not sure how this has anything to do with anything
Actually one PG...DeJulius is the only other True PG they are in the final 4 for..Burton and Turner are more 2 guards that can/have played PG. Anyway, I don't think they would even pursue DeJulius if they thought/knew they were getting Carton. Just my opinion. If you knew Carton was coming, why would you pursue DeJulius as well?? Now granted you always keep recruiting and want the best possible talent you can get(which I applaud) but that one wouldn't really make sense to me if you connect the dots.
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Great for Stan!
Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
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LMU big man Mattias Markusson has decided to stay at LMU and play for new coach Stan Johnson, source told @stadium
. Big man had no shortage of high-major options after entering the transfer portal.
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Based on history until Woj shows the Warrior fanbase that he's more than just the administration's favorite son, its hard to get excited. Wishing all of us seashell and balloons over the next few days, hey?
Obviously you've missed the "history" regarding the 3 recruits that are coming this year.
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Obviously you've missed the "history" regarding the 3 recruits that are coming this year.
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Great for Stan!
Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
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LMU big man Mattias Markusson has decided to stay at LMU and play for new coach Stan Johnson, source told @stadium
. Big man had no shortage of high-major options after entering the transfer portal.
Stan always gets his man. That program is going to rise. Maybe not to St Mary or BYU levels within the WCC, but they could get to where USF has been the last few years.
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It makes perfect sense to take Burton and Dejulius if they have to sit a year because it evens out the classes.Throw in Turner as a grad and all set.Leaving 4 scholarships for the 2021 class
This would be an ideal scenario. We have a crap ton of potential PT available to offer...we've got to be able to close a couple of these solid transfer options.
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This would be an ideal scenario. We have a crap ton of potential PT available to offer...we've got to be able to close a couple of these solid transfer options.
I hate to be that guy but there's about a 0% chance this happens
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Hound it makes perfect sense only if they both have to sit a year.Turner and McEwen graduate and those two fill there slots and get plenty of PT
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With all the playing time he has to offer, if Wojo can’t land Burton, DeJulius, and Turner and get Carton to walk on for a year until a scholarship opens up he’ll never be able to land a good recruiting class.
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With all the playing time he has to offer, if Wojo can’t land Burton, DeJulius, and Turner and get Carton to walk on for a year until a scholarship opens up he’ll never be able to land a good recruiting class.
Why do you have to do this sh*t??
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Updated yesterday by ESPN Jeff Borzello
2. Justin Turner, 6-4, 205 pounds, SG, RS Jr., Bowling Green
Earned first-team All-MAC honors after averaging 18.8 points and 4.6 rebounds. The final three for the Detroit native include Missouri, Marquette and Iowa State. The Tigers have received most of the buzz.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/28167956/college-basketball-transfer-rankings-2020-21-2021-22
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Why do you have to do this sh*t??
He enjoys trolling you.
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He enjoys trolling you.
More Ners. It’s just not realistic to get Turner, Burton, and DeJulius. At all. Yet some will claim it’s what Wojo SHOULD do so that when it doesn’t happen they can rip him.
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Hound it makes perfect sense only if they both have to sit a year.Turner and McEwen graduate and those two fill there slots and get plenty of PT
This isht is funny to me. Well done.
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More Ners. It’s just not realistic to get Turner, Burton, and DeJulius. At all. Yet some will claim it’s what Wojo SHOULD do so that when it doesn’t happen they can rip him.
Not all three most likely, but two I certainly think is realistic...it's not like MU is competing with a who's who of CBB for these guys, right??
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Hammer Creighton. Cheaters. Those guys leaving? They know the hammer is gonna fall. Pay to play...no way!
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Hammer Creighton. Cheaters. Those guys leaving? They know the hammer is gonna fall. Pay to play...no way!
Someone tell Alex O’Connell
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Alex is making a mistake. His call. Re: Marquette...relying on transfers. This sucks! Ok, is what it is. But, where’s the need? Immediate eligible stud point guard. Burton has to sit. Turner isn’t a point. So forget them.
Get Carton, get him a waiver and let’s ball. Mane comes along later this summer?...that’s a bonus.
Wojo coached/recruited MU into this, let’s see him get MU out of this.
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Actually one PG...DeJulius is the only other True PG they are in the final 4 for..Burton and Turner are more 2 guards that can/have played PG. Anyway, I don't think they would even pursue DeJulius if they thought/knew they were getting Carton. Just my opinion. If you knew Carton was coming, why would you pursue DeJulius as well?? Now granted you always keep recruiting and want the best possible talent you can get(which I applaud) but that one wouldn't really make sense to me if you connect the dots.
Carton is good enough to go pro after 1 more season and is a good candidate for a waiver to play immediately. Chances are that if they landed Carton and Burton/Dejulius, they would never play together.
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Based on history until Woj shows the Warrior fanbase that he's more than just the administration's favorite son, its hard to get excited. Wishing all of us seashell and balloons over the next few days, hey?
No one's asking you to get excited. Indeed, nobody expects it. You dislike Wojo too much to get excited about anything he does, and that's cool. Seriously. I actually understand why even long-time, die-hard Warrior fans might be apathetic.
When it comes to his recruiting, though, you're beyond merely apathetic.
I've yet to figure out why you seem to get strange joy out of him missing on recruits. Heck, you even seem to get strange joy out of him possibly missing on recruits. So it must have been devastating for you when he outrecruited everybody for a McDonald's All-American and two other highly ranked kids.
Butt hay, Dock, ewe bee ewe.
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No one's asking you to get excited. Indeed, nobody expects it. You dislike Wojo too much to get excited about anything he does, and that's cool. Seriousness sly. I actually understand why even long-time, die-hard Warrior fans might be apathetic.
When it comes to his recruiting, though, you're beyond merely apathetic
I've yet to figure out why you seem to get strange joy out of him missing on recruits. Heck, you even seem to get strange joy out of him possibly missing on recruits. So it must have been devastating for you when he outrecruited everybody for a McDonald's All-American and two other highly ranked kids.
Butt hay, Dock, ewe bee ewe.
Actually, Wojo must be admins fav son. We’re heading to yr 7 of more cold soup. It’s time for MU to kick some A or cut bait on the Dukie.
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Carton is good enough to go pro after 1 more season and is a good candidate for a waiver to play immediately. Chances are that if they landed Carton and Burton/Dejulius, they would never play together.
I don't disagree with that combo of three...would work, but I'm not sure Turner/Carton would work together...plus Burton. They might, but it's vitally important that if they ONLY get one, it's Turner...He's the real prize. Carton's recruitment has been so quiet, I'm basically writing him off.
Plus, it seems pretty obvious to me, MU isn't willing to wait on him...if Turner Burton and DeJulius all want to commit, they would take them all
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Alright, let's do a hypothetical...let's assume Carton, Burton and DeJulius all could get waivers for this year(which I do think is possible), of these 4...you can only have two...Turner, Carton, Burton and DeJulius..Let's also put a little twist on it and assume Carton would only be at MU for a year...who you taking?? For me it's Turner and the other one is tough, but I tend to play things year by year, and I want them to be REALLY good net year so I think on that premise I'd take Turner and Carton.
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More Ners. It’s just not realistic to get Turner, Burton, and DeJulius. At all. Yet some will claim it’s what Wojo SHOULD do so that when it doesn’t happen they can rip him.
Turner would be guaranteed 30+ minutes this year, and would get ample shot opportunities to showcase himself for next level.
Getting all three would be stellar, but there is no reason to think we can't get Turner and at least one of Burton/DeJulius. There will be ample PT available at guard spot in 2021-2022. We'd have Greg as a senior, Sy as a junior, and Dex as a redshirt sophomore as the 3 guards on the roster. From all reports, Burton would be good enough to step into that threesome and get major minutes, no?
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Carton is good enough to go pro after 1 more season and is a good candidate for a waiver to play immediately. Chances are that if they landed Carton and Burton/Dejulius, they would never play together.
why, because he left his team citing "mental health?" Waivers have requirements, you don't just file them and say "let me play because." Why can he not go to any other school to improve his "mental health" situation, particularly one closer to home? These are things MU and Carton have to prove.
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why, because he left his team citing "mental health?" Waivers have requirements, you don't just file them and say "let me play because." Why can he not go to any other school to improve his "mental health" situation, particularly one closer to home? These are things MU and Carton have to prove.
Why are you putting mental health in quotes?
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why, because he left his team citing "mental health?" Waivers have requirements, you don't just file them and say "let me play because." Why can he not go to any other school to improve his "mental health" situation, particularly one closer to home? These are things MU and Carton have to prove.
I would bet pretty much any amount of money that Carton gets a waiver if he pursues one.
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why, because he left his team citing "mental health?" Waivers have requirements, you don't just file them and say "let me play because." Why can he not go to any other school to improve his "mental health" situation, particularly one closer to home? These are things MU and Carton have to prove.
Just repeating what some of the talking heads out there are saying.
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No one's asking you to get excited. Indeed, nobody expects it. You dislike Wojo too much to get excited about anything he does, and that's cool. Seriously. I actually understand why even long-time, die-hard Warrior fans might be apathetic.
When it comes to his recruiting, though, you're beyond merely apathetic.
I've yet to figure out why you seem to get strange joy out of him missing on recruits. Heck, you even seem to get strange joy out of him possibly missing on recruits. So it must have been devastating for you when he outrecruited everybody for a McDonald's All-American and two other highly ranked kids.
Butt hay, Dock, ewe bee ewe.
My take is 4ever looks at the results on the court. He has been an MU fan more years than many on this board have
been alive. Everyone wants Wojo to succeed. Year 7 coming up. Let’s see.
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With all the playing time he has to offer, if Wojo can’t land Burton, DeJulius, and Turner and get Carton to walk on for a year until a scholarship opens up he’ll never be able to land a good recruiting class.
Why would a guy with pro potential want to walk-on anywhere? What’s MU for a year...$40-$50k? Please. Get Carton to sign-on and forget about these other jokers. Carton, the incoming recruits, the returning roster and let’s ball!!
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My take is 4ever looks at the results on the court. He has been an MU fan more years than many on this board have
been alive. Everyone wants Wojo to succeed. Year 7 coming up. Let’s see.
Amen 79Warrior, Amen. But, if it’s another crap sandwich after year 7...smoke Wojo and MU goes after a big dog. No more assistants. If WE ARE MARQUETTE, it’s time to walk the walk!!
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My take is 4ever looks at the results on the court. He has been an MU fan more years than many on this board have
been alive.
I don't dispute this, but age/experience as a fan does not automatically equate more knowledgeable the way some seem to think it does.
Everyone wants Wojo to succeed. Year 7 coming up. Let’s see.
I do dispute this. Multiple posters have said that because they are 100% convinced that Wojo can't get the job done, they want him to lose as much as possible, as fast as possible, so he gets the boot as soon as possible.
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I don't dispute this, but age/experience as a fan does not automatically equate more knowledgeable the way some seem to think it does.
I do dispute this. Multiple posters have said that because they are 100% convinced that Wojo can't get the job done, they want him to lose as much as possible, as fast as possible, so he gets the boot as soon as possible.
4ever has been a fan (a knowledgeable one at that) for 50+ years. In that time he never rooted for us to lose a single game or miss out on a single recruit. Period.
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I don't dispute this, but age/experience as a fan does not automatically equate more knowledgeable the way some seem to think it does.
I do dispute this. Multiple posters have said that because they are 100% convinced that Wojo can't get the job done, they want him to lose as much as possible, as fast as possible, so he gets the boot as soon as possible.
Respectfully disagree.
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My take is 4ever looks at the results on the court. He has been an MU fan more years than many on this board have
been alive. Everyone wants Wojo to succeed. Year 7 coming up. Let’s see.
Trees are envious of 4ever's age.
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No one's asking you to get excited. Indeed, nobody expects it. You dislike Wojo too much to get excited about anything he does, and that's cool. Seriously. I actually understand why even long-time, die-hard Warrior fans might be apathetic.
When it comes to his recruiting, though, you're beyond merely apathetic.
I've yet to figure out why you seem to get strange joy out of him missing on recruits. Heck, you even seem to get strange joy out of him possibly missing on recruits. So it must have been devastating for you when he outrecruited everybody for a McDonald's All-American and two other highly ranked kids.
Butt hay, Dock, ewe bee ewe.
82, fair, but we seem to been on this rodeo before. His recruits ain’t bad, then they get on the floor...and...pffftt, where’d they go?
I was a big wojo fan but have been let down more times than the pimply faced kid getting turned down by Jennifer Anniston’s too many times
Now it’s time to take some of these kids to the next level and turn me into men turning down Jennifer Aniston going for Nina agdal bo chicka bow wow🤪
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My take is 4ever looks at the results on the court. He has been an MU fan more years than many on this board have
been alive. Everyone wants Wojo to succeed. Year 7 coming up. Let’s see.
I have probably been an MU fan longer than 4ever (unless he started in grade school and even then, maybe) . My quarrel is with his inability to give any credit to the current program for its successes. In my opinion, he was responding to a post on recruiting, and not giving due credit where deserved. Also, I guess I just don't appreciate snarky.
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I have probably been an MU fan longer than 4ever (unless he started in grade school and even then, maybe) . My quarrel is with his inability to give any credit to the current program for its successes. In my opinion, he was responding to a post on recruiting, and not giving due credit where deserved. Also, I guess I just don't appreciate snarky.
Fair enough. I guess my question to you would be what are the successes?
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Fair enough. I guess my question to you would be what are the successes?
IMHO, Wojo is not the man for MU. It looks to me like a downward trend. But he has done some good work. He's definitely not a complete failure. Plus he's a good man and has had high quality young men at MU.
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Fair enough. I guess my question to you would be what are the successes?
Putting a top 30ish team on the floor 3 of the last 4 years (out of 353). Bringing in the programs all time leading scorer. Almost winning the conference last year. Idk. I don’t think Wojo is the guy either because my expectations for the program are too high as well, but you can’t say he hasn’t had any success.
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Alright, let's do a hypothetical...let's assume Carton, Burton and DeJulius all could get waivers for this year(which I do think is possible), of these 4...you can only have two...Turner, Carton, Burton and DeJulius..Let's also put a little twist on it and assume Carton would only be at MU for a year...who you taking?? For me it's Turner and the other one is tough, but I tend to play things year by year, and I want them to be REALLY good net year so I think on that premise I'd take Turner and Carton.
im going DJ and burton imo
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Putting a top 30ish team on the floor 3 of the last 4 years (out of 353). Bringing in the programs all time leading scorer. Almost winning the conference last year. Idk. I don’t think Wojo is the guy either because my expectations for the program are too high as well, but you can’t say he hasn’t had any success.
Seriously?
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Frankly, it's elementary. If you can't win in March, you're the wrong man for the job. Its just that clear and simple, particularly for a school like Marquette.
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Putting a top 30ish team on the floor 3 of the last 4 years (out of 353). Bringing in the programs all time leading scorer. Almost winning the conference last year. Idk. I don’t think Wojo is the guy either because my expectations for the program are too high as well, but you can’t say he hasn’t had any success.
WE ARE MARQUETTE...your idea of success might ok for Creighton. But this is Marquette. A basketball heritage few can replicate. Let’s start acting like the big boy we are!! WE ARE MARQUETTE!!
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WE ARE MARQUETTE...your idea of success might ok for Creighton. But this is Marquette. A basketball heritage few can replicate. Let’s start acting like the big boy we are!! WE ARE MARQUETTE!!
Marquette has been to one Final Four in the modern era of college basketball and 5 Sweet 16’s. The coach that took this team to a Final 4 is widely mocked and many were glad he left
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Point is, too many folks downplay Marquette as a basketball school with a tremendous history that it has. In the Big East, Villanova has it. Georgetown and St. John’s HAD it. Who else? Marquette fans/alums need to demand more, and roll with some swagger. To say, ‘we almost won the BE.’ We’re top 30. Talk about setting the bar low.
How about, we’ve been great...Elite. We’ve been bad. We’ve been average. Let’s get back to Elite. No more, top 30 is acceptable. Is Wojo the guy to take MU back to a high level? Can he coach high-level talent (to his credit he’s recruited)? Regardless. WE ARE MARQUETTE, so let’s walk it.
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Frankly, it's elementary. If you can't win in March, you're the wrong man for the job. Its just that clear and simple, particularly for a school like Marquette.
Bingo! 100% spot-on.
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Putting a top 30ish team on the floor 3 of the last 4 years (out of 353). Bringing in the programs all time leading scorer. Almost winning the conference last year. Idk. I don’t think Wojo is the guy either because my expectations for the program are too high as well, but you can’t say he hasn’t had any success.
How much does strength of schedule play into those KenPom numbers?
Looking at 2016 Ellenson season vs. this last season, strength of schedule appears to be the one major difference.
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Why would a guy with pro potential want to walk-on anywhere? What’s MU for a year...$40-$50k? Please. Get Carton to sign-on and forget about these other jokers. Carton, the incoming recruits, the returning roster and let’s ball!!
Poor, poor take.
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Point is, too many folks downplay Marquette as a basketball school with a tremendous history that it has. In the Big East, Villanova has it. Georgetown and St. John’s HAD it. Who else? Marquette fans/alums need to demand more, and roll with some swagger. To say, ‘we almost won the BE.’ We’re top 30. Talk about setting the bar low.
How about, we’ve been great...Elite. We’ve been bad. We’ve been average. Let’s get back to Elite. No more, top 30 is acceptable. Is Wojo the guy to take MU back to a high level? Can he coach high-level talent (to his credit he’s recruited)? Regardless. WE ARE MARQUETTE, so let’s walk it.
If the only way you are satisfied is by being "elite," then you will be dissatisfied often. The circumstances by which Marquette became elite don't exist today. Marquette's not going to become elite again. They most certainly can do better than what Wojo has brought, but elite? No chance.
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If the only way you are satisfied is by being "elite," then you will be dissatisfied often. The circumstances by which Marquette became elite don't exist today. Marquette's not going to become elite again. They most certainly can do better than what Wojo has brought, but elite? No chance.
Marquette being elite is as silly as a small Jesuit school in Spokane Washington being elite. :D
I don't expect "elite" but we can do better.
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Marquette being elite is as silly as a small Jesuit school in Spokane Washington being elite. :D
I don't expect "elite" but we can do better.
Gonzaga has been to one Final Four in their history. That's not elite.
Marquette's absolute top end is Villanova. That's about the best they can hope for. So I guess that is elite...but good luck.
And I wholeheartedly agree we can do better.
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I like Doc. We have had good conversations about being grandparents, enjoying family and friends, etc. I know that he is a good guy and that he is a big-time Marquette fan who wants the Warriors to win and win big.
I don't blame him for thinking Wojo should go. He's hardly the only one with that opinion, and it's hard to say those opinions aren't justified. Even I have gone from one of the most pro-Wojo Scoopers to realizing we might have to cut him loose to move the program forward.
And I do NOT think he wants the Warriors to lose. I certainly didn't say he did.
What I said, and what I believe his posting history shows, is that he gets some weird satisfaction out of Wojo missing on recruits. At the first sign that a talked-about recruit even might go elsewhere, Doc makes a snarky post about "green wienies" or some such. He seems to enjoy it when Wojo doesn't land recruits.
Wojo actually has been a pretty darn good recruiter. Not a great one, but pretty darn good. If he has done a lousy job of coaching 'em up, that's a whole 'nother thing to debate, and it really has nothing to do with this particular discussion.
I happen to think it's possible to dislike Wojo as a coach -- and even to want him gowne, gowne, gowne -- without celebrating his every recruiting miss. Others are free to disagree.
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FFS take the same tired Wojo and program debates to a thread on that topic.
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https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/1248964922479988737?s=21
Decision from DeJulius this week
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Wichita State transfer Asbjorn Midtgaard tells me he has committed to Grand Canyon.
Good level for him
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https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/1248964922479988737?s=21
Decision from DeJulius this week
Could be a huge few days for MU coming up...although THIS week would mean today. This is the end of the week. I'm sure it's next week. LOL
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Gonzaga has been to one Final Four in their history. That's not elite.
Marquette's absolute top end is Villanova. That's about the best they can hope for. So I guess that is elite...but good luck.
And I wholeheartedly agree we can do better.
Agreed. I was just kidding. Villanova success would be great but I'd take Creighton success right now.
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Jordan Bruner from Yale headed to Alabama.
Cancelling his NBA draft declaration.
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Seriously?
Losing 6 out of final 7 didn’t actually happen. Just the quarantine getting to us ;)
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Frankly, it's elementary. If you can't win in March, you're the wrong man for the job. Its just that clear and simple, particularly for a school like Marquette.
Outside of Al and Buzz, generally MU has not been good in March.
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Outside of Al and Buzz, generally MU has not been good in March.
Clean and Wade did okay.
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Clean and Wade did okay.
Crean won one NCAA game without Wade on his roster.
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WE ARE MARQUETTE...your idea of success might ok for Creighton. But this is Marquette. A basketball heritage few can replicate. Let’s start acting like the big boy we are!! WE ARE MARQUETTE!!
We had the Great Al years, which at this point is ancient history. Outside of that we have been to the final four once since 1977. It seems to me that most posters here do not have a reasonable expectation for MU basketball.
I know that I would like to see MU make the NCAA tournament every year and at least make the Sweet 16 every other year. Is that realistic, probably not. However, even if we did that we still would not be in the class of Kentucky, North Carolina, Duke and Kansas.
I started going to games before Al was coach. I loved the Al years and wish those years would happen again. I also know that it it is very unlikely that it will happen again no matter who is our coach.
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Crean won one NCAA game without Wade on his roster.
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I like Doc. We have had good conversations about being grandparents, enjoying family and friends, etc. I know that he is a good guy and that he is a big-time Marquette fan who wants the Warriors to win and win big.
I don't blame him for thinking Wojo should go. He's hardly the only one with that opinion, and it's hard to say those opinions aren't justified. Even I have gone from one of the most pro-Wojo Scoopers to realizing we might have to cut him loose to move the program forward.
And I do NOT think he wants the Warriors to lose. I certainly didn't say he did.
What I said, and what I believe his posting history shows, is that he gets some weird satisfaction out of Wojo missing on recruits. At the first sign that a talked-about recruit even might go elsewhere, Doc makes a snarky post about "green wienies" or some such. He seems to enjoy it when Wojo doesn't land recruits.
Wojo actually has been a pretty darn good recruiter. Not a great one, but pretty darn good. If he has done a lousy job of coaching 'em up, that's a whole 'nother thing to debate, and it really has nothing to do with this particular discussion.
I happen to think it's possible to dislike Wojo as a coach -- and even to want him gowne, gowne, gowne -- without celebrating his every recruiting miss. Others are free to disagree.
What a crazy rational post. WTF?
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Crean won one NCAA game without Wade on his roster.
Wouldn't it be nice to be there again?
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We had the Great Al years, which at this point is ancient history. Outside of that we have been to the final four once since 1977. It seems to me that most posters here do not have a reasonable expectation for MU basketball.
I know that I would like to see MU make the NCAA tournament every year and at least make the Sweet 16 every other year. Is that realistic, probably not. However, even if we did that we still would not be in the class of Kentucky, North Carolina, Duke and Kansas.
I started going to games before Al was coach. I loved the Al years and wish those years would happen again. I also know that it it is very unlikely that it will happen again no matter who is our coach.
Why do you feel Marquette can’t be among the Elite? What’s the roadblock? Gonzaga is Elite...why not MU?
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Wouldn't it be nice to be there again?
3 of the last 4 years. (yes, I count the 19-20 as having made it, as all of the bracket projections had MU in) Whereas Crean made it 5 out of 9. I have frequently said that Wojo is Crean without Wade.
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Why do you feel Marquette can’t be among the Elite? What’s the roadblock? Gonzaga is Elite...why not MU?
Because they don’t play in a conference where they can go 17-1 without breaking a sweat and get a 1 seed in order to play a 16 seed and then a team about the level of Marquette’s team the past season to make it to the second weekend.
Gonzaga is not an elite basketball program.
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Clean and Wade did okay.
The first year of Wade they lost in first round of NCAA tournament to Tulsa. Next year with Wade, I believe they lost in first round of conference tournament and then made a run to an embarrassing loss in the Final 4.
In that run they almost lost the first round game to Holy Cross and then beat Missouri in overtime.
Without looking it up, I think Crean only won 5 NCAA tournament games in 9 years, with four coming in the final 4 run. Without Wade there would be no final four since 1977. This no different that, if Dayton had made the final four this year with their great player. A special player can result in a great year, but that does not make the program great over the long run.
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Because they don’t play in a conference where they can go 17-1 without breaking a sweat and get a 1 seed in order to play a 16 seed and then a team about the level of Marquette’s team the past season to make it to the second weekend.
Gonzaga is not an elite basketball program.
I think we both agree Villanova is Elite. If Villanova is, why can’t Marquette return to that level? I think Marquette can. Will require some change, starting off with a shed of the ‘it won’t happen’ mindset.
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Burton announcing Monday
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Why do you feel Marquette can’t be among the Elite? What’s the roadblock? Gonzaga is Elite...why not MU?
Gonzaga was doing well under Munson and Few kept it going. It is much easier for Gonzaga to be the top team in their conference every year, then it would be for MU to be the top team in the Big East every year. There were many years were Gonzaga was highly seeded and did not get out of the first two rounds. I think most posters here would be complaining if MU had Gonzaga's NCAA record over the last 20 years. I could be wrong but, I think Gonzaga also has had only one final four appearance in that time, which is the same as MU. Gonzaga has great consistency in their program, which is what makes them appear great, but they are not elite like the blue bloods..
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The first year of Wade they lost in first round of NCAA tournament to Tulsa. Next year with Wade, I believe they lost in first round of conference tournament and then made a run to an embarrassing loss in the Final 4.
In that run they almost lost the first round game to Holy Cross and then beat Missouri in overtime.
Without looking it up, I think Crean only won 5 NCAA tournament games in 9 years, with four coming in the final 4 run. Without Wade there would be no final four since 1977. This no different that, if Dayton had made the final four this year with their great player. A special player can result in a great year, but that does not make the program great over the long run.
Understood. I get it. MU fan's opinion on Wojo would be a lot different if he had Crean's level of success even if it was not that great as you point out.
Difficult times for MU.
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3 of the last 4 years. (yes, I count the 19-20 as having made it, as all of the bracket projections had MU in) Whereas Crean made it 5 out of 9. I have frequently said that Wojo is Crean without Wade.
I think this is fair.
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Why do you feel Marquette can’t be among the Elite? What’s the roadblock? Gonzaga is Elite...why not MU?
Gonzaga is not "elite." Unless you classify "elite" as one final four and zero national championships.
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Burton announcing Monday
Hey look! Transfer news!
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I think most posters here would be complaining if MU had Gonzaga's NCAA record over the last 20 years.
Nothing truer has ever been said, especially if it was under one coach. There's a decent contingent that will never be satisfied.
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Gonzaga was doing well under Munson and Few kept it going. It is much easier for Gonzaga to be the top team in their conference every year, then it would be for MU to be the top team in the Big East every year. There were many years were Gonzaga was highly seeded and did not get out of the first two rounds. I think most posters here would be complaining if MU had Gonzaga's NCAA record over the last 20 years. I could be wrong but, I think Gonzaga also has had only one final four appearance in that time, which is the same as MU. Gonzaga has great consistency in their program, which is what makes them appear great, but they are not elite like the blue bloods..
While not a blue blood, GU is way better than MU. It would be incredibly unfair to expect Wojo to get us to GU's level.
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We had the Great Al years, which at this point is ancient history. Outside of that we have been to the final four once since 1977. It seems to me that most posters here do not have a reasonable expectation for MU basketball.
I started going to games before Al was coach. I loved the Al years and wish those years would happen again. I also know that it it is very unlikely that it will happen again no matter who is our coach.
Nothing boils my blue and gold blood more than posts like this. We can and would be THAT good again if we make the commitment to it and stick with it. We must!
In engineering, we graduated hundreds and hundreds of engineers in the 1970s and 1980s. They were equipped with the best know how of the time and were pretty well regarded engineers. But times, materials, processes and approaches change. Do we write off those engineers and say, times change? No, those senior engineers change with it ... or they become biz adders.
Same with Journalism. The only mediums in the 1970s and 1980s were print and broadcast. Now we have blogging, online and a host of other options. You either change and find a way to make money, or you become something else!
Our basketball program is no different. We went from being a Major Independent to being in two mid-major basketball conferences to arguably being in the best if not one of the best basketball conferences in America. We have upgraded facilities, have a brand-spanking-new arena and are getting access to player who can get us there.
It is too important for the university s overall visibility not to be among the best programs in America.
As I tell my adult children: FIND A WAY AND DO IT. Legally!
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I hate this website
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Nothing truer has ever been said, especially if it was under one coach. There's a decent contingent that will never be satisfied.
Same can be said of Alabama football fans, Patriots fans, Golden State fans, Yankee fans, Villanova fans, etc.
Thanks Captain Obvious.
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Crean won one NCAA game without Wade on his roster.
Still better than Wojo with Markus Howard on his roster. Doh.
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Brian Snow
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Interesting transfer related nugget from talking to college coaches. Guys NOT having to sit out, is actually making them less attractive to options to a large number of coaches. A lot like the notion of being able to balance their roster with a sit out year/year of development
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Still better than Wojo with Markus Howard on his roster. Doh.
Dwayne Wade is a far, far better player than Markus Howard.
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Can you old timers take this BS somewhere else? This thread is about transfers. Please.
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Still better than Wojo with Markus Howard on his roster. Doh.
Because Markus is as good as one of the top 50 players of all time? Wow. Kudos to Wojo for recognizing that and landing him early. Without Wade on the roster, Crean went to 3 NCAA tournaments in 7 years. Wojo has gone 3 of the last 4. We can do this crap all day. And I don't consider calling Wojo 'Crean without Wade' a compliment to Wojo. I have spelled out my concerns about Wojo many times. But he isn't going anywhere for a while.
So, about recruiting.....
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Brian Snow
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Interesting transfer related nugget from talking to college coaches. Guys NOT having to sit out, is actually making them less attractive to options to a large number of coaches. A lot like the notion of being able to balance their roster with a sit out year/year of development
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Good! More for us!
As you said, big week ahead. Happy with one, delighted with two. Need to git er done!
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Since everyone is "announcing" next week, does that mean that they've already made their decision and told the coaches. It would seem relevant since a lot of the same programs are finalists for multiple players. For example, if DeJulius picks Iowa State, does Wojo already know that, and is now using that to pitch Carton even harder? With this much overlap between finalists, and most decisions coming around the same time, it would seem that something similar to this is in play.
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Because Markus is as good as one of the top 50 players of all time? Wow. Kudos to Wojo for recognizing that and landing him early. Without Wade on the roster, Crean went to 3 NCAA tournaments in 7 years. Wojo has gone 3 of the last 4. We can do this crap all day. And I don't consider calling Wojo 'Crean without Wade' a compliment to Wojo. I have spelled out my concerns about Wojo many times. But he isn't going anywhere for a while.
So, about recruiting.....
Yep, Crean without Wade, Pearl Jam without Vedder, Jordan without Pippen, Wright without Jalen Brunson, The Beatles without McCartney, etc.
Sign me 100% with Wojo with ???? that will win at a high level.
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Since everyone is "announcing" next week, does that mean that they've already made their decision and told the coaches. It would seem relevant since a lot of the same programs are finalists for multiple players. For example, if DeJulius picks Iowa State, does Wojo already know that, and is now using that to pitch Carton even harder? With this much overlap between finalists, and most decisions coming around the same time, it would seem that something similar to this is in play.
I've thought of this very scenario...it is definitely no coincidence(in my mind), that Turner, Burton and Now DeJulius are all announcing around the same time. Burton I guess is an outlier as far as schools he has in his final 4, but still has an impact on MU. To me, Turner is the big prize, simply because A. he's the best player available B. The impact he will/would have on next year's team. After that, it's Burton(even over Carton), that kid is a flat out stud. He just never got to showcase it enough at Wichita. I have been singing his praises since MU made his Final four. He was often the best player on the floor for Wichita most nights. The impact he has on games, even beyond his box score numbers is clearly evident, which is proven out by the numbers Paint touches posted on him a few days ago. I want Turner to announce first so there is ERO reason for him to even be remotely, possibly scared off by Burton(if he's eligible next year). I can live without DeJulius, but I still say, if they get Turner and Burton, it would be a fantastic job by Wojo this off season, and if they get those two PLUS Carton, they need to build him a statue.
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Can you old timers take this BS somewhere else? This thread is about transfers. Please.
Rehashing the same talking points and arguments for the 1000th time isn't necessary?
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Can you old timers take this BS somewhere else? This thread is about transfers. Please.
^^^^^^^ every goddamn thread
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Crean sucks.
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Per Jon Rothstein, Justin Turner will make his decision on Monday as well.
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Per Jon Rothstein, Justin Turner will make his decision on Monday as well.
Damn, big day for MU.
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Damn, big day for MU.
Hope so.
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If you guys had to guess...who do you think ends up at MU, if any?
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If you guys had to guess who do you think ends up at MU, if any?
My gut says Turner is more likely than Burton, but that may only be because I want Turner badly(Burton too though). Ah screw it, why not just get both?? :D
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If you guys had to guess...who do you think ends up at MU, if any?
1a. Dejulius
1b. Burton
2. Carton
3. Turner
The dream is to get all 3 but that's a tall order. If I had to guess, Dejulius to MU, Burton to Texas Tech, Carton to MU, Turner to Mizzou
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1a. Dejulius
1b. Burton
2. Carton
3. Turner
The dream is to get all 3 but that's a tall order. If I had to guess, Dejulius to MU, Burton to Texas Tech, Carton to MU, Turner to Mizzou
Jonah Antonio needs a hug
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Jonah Antonio needs a hug
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1a. Dejulius
1b. Burton
2. Carton
3. Turner
The dream is to get all 3 but that's a tall order. If I had to guess, Dejulius to MU, Burton to Texas Tech, Carton to MU, Turner to Mizzou
If we get one of two of the above four, where does that put Mane?
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East Lansing, hey?
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East Lansing, hey?
Where does Joey transfer to after he writes his letter to Tommy about shot distribution with Karim, aina? Does big bro sign the letter from Charlottesville?
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East Lansing, hey?
Not buying it. If anything, the guy I think is most vulnerable to everything happening is Koby McEwen.
I’m still optimistic about Karim and I’m sure if he see we get one of these folks, he’ll see the strength of our line-up and think twice about going to green hell!
As Coach McGuire once said: “Son, we’re going to win with you or without you. You decide!”
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Not buying it. If anything, the guy I think is most vulnerable to everything happening is Koby McEwen.
I’m still optimistic about Karim and I’m sure if he see we get one of these folks, he’ll see the strength of our line-up and think twice about going to green hell!
As Coach McGuire once said: “Son, we’re going to win with you or without you. You decide!”
Pretty sure Izzo can say that more than Wojo.
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Pretty sure Izzo can say that more than Wojo.
Fluff, ole buddy, don’t sell our Warriors short.
If One of the top 4 join us (or even two), we’ll have a line-up with legitimate pro prospects in Mane, Burton, Garcia and maybe Oso. With our bench, we may have the deepest team we’ve had in years. That’s a great way to play college ball.
Big question will be whether Wojo can “coach ‘em up.” If he proves he can, then “wow!”
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1a. Dejulius
1b. Burton
2. Carton
3. Turner
The dream is to get all 3 but that's a tall order. If I had to guess, Dejulius to MU, Burton to Texas Tech, Carton to MU, Turner to Mizzou
No offense, but this would be a nightmare given the circumstances. DeJulius, though good, would be my last choice of the 4. I would go Turner, Burton, Carton DeJulius in order of preference. I think they get two of the top 3...but Turner is the biggest one...they land him, I'd be okay with any of the other one's, I guess, but Turner, Carton and Burton...build Wojo a statue. That's my dream.
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If we get one of two of the above four, where does that put Mane?
I think Mane won't make a decision until the transfer decisions are fleshed out. I can't imagine both him and Turner coming. Mane is far from a sure thing so I think bird in the hand and all that
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No offense, but this would be a nightmare given the circumstances. DeJulius, though good, would be my last choice of the 4. I would go Turner, Burton, Carton DeJulius in order of preference. I think they get two of the top 3...but Turner is the biggest one...they land him, I'd be okay with any of the other one's, I guess, but Turner, Carton and Burton...build Wojo a statue. That's my dream.
Lol how would Dejulius and carton be a “nightmare”?
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No offense, but this would be a nightmare given the circumstances. DeJulius, though good, would be my last choice of the 4. I would go Turner, Burton, Carton DeJulius in order of preference. I think they get two of the top 3...but Turner is the biggest one...they land him, I'd be okay with any of the other one's, I guess, but Turner, Carton and Burton...build Wojo a statue. That's my dream.
I'm not sure what I could take offense at. Those weren't my preferences, just what I think will happen. I definitely want Burton over Dejulius but my gut says that he will go to the Red Raiders. Dejulius is a solid pickup, I don't think the drop off from Burton to Dejulius is that steep. I prefer Carton to Turner personally. He's a future pro and at a more critical position. A lot of people have Turner as one of the top 2 grad transfers this year. I personally don't see it. He strikes me more as a top 5 or 6 grad transfer this year.
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Wild that anyone would prefer Burton to Carton. 3 star recruit who averaged 10/3/3 as a sophomore in a decent conference over a freshman who averaged 10/3/3 in the best conference in the country despite a fair amount of off the court struggle. Burton can be a solid player at his peak, Carton at his peak is a first round NBA talent
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Lol how would Dejulius and carton be a “nightmare”?
Was thinking the same thing.
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1a. Dejulius
1b. Burton
2. Carton
3. Turner
Regarding this...
I think DeJulius seems most likely, but will depend on what happens tomorrow with the Burton & Turner announcements. I was always surprised we didn't go after DeJulius when he was in high school considering he played with Greg. I think it would be a solid get, maybe not as eye-popping as Carton or Turner, but a very solid guy to give us a solid point guard rotation with Torrence for a couple years.
Burton is the guy I want the most, but I agree that he seems like a Texas Tech guy. His on/off stats that Paint Touches found were absolutely eye-popping. I would rank him #1 on my own wish list. He may not blow you away with stats, but he does everything you could ask that leads to winning. His value won't show up in a box score.
Carton is a stud and I like what I've heard. He'd be my second priority after Burton. I feel like he could play alongside anyone on our current roster. Also like that he's pretty much certain to be eligible next season at what's probably our greatest need position.
Turner I like but I have no idea where he goes. I do like the Instagram trends.
In terms of preference, I would rank them Burton, Carton, Turner, DeJulius. In terms of likelihood, I would say DeJulius, Carton, Turner, Burton. I think we'll end up with two of them and be left wondering what Mane will do. Tomorrow to me seems like a double disappointment, but if we get DeJulius & Carton, that's still going to be one of the better transfer hauls of anyone in the country. Both were solid players in a very good league.
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Nothing boils my blue and gold blood more than posts like this. We can and would be THAT good again if we make the commitment to it and stick with it. We must!
In engineering, we graduated hundreds and hundreds of engineers in the 1970s and 1980s. They were equipped with the best know how of the time and were pretty well regarded engineers. But times, materials, processes and approaches change. Do we write off those engineers and say, times change? No, those senior engineers change with it ... or they become biz adders.
Same with Journalism. The only mediums in the 1970s and 1980s were print and broadcast. Now we have blogging, online and a host of other options. You either change and find a way to make money, or you become something else!
Our basketball program is no different. We went from being a Major Independent to being in two mid-major basketball conferences to arguably being in the best if not one of the best basketball conferences in America. We have upgraded facilities, have a brand-spanking-new arena and are getting access to player who can get us there.
It is too important for the university s overall visibility not to be among the best programs in America.
As I tell my adult children: FIND A WAY AND DO IT. Legally!
Amen, brother, amen!
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Wild that anyone would prefer Burton to Carton. 3 star recruit who averaged 10/3/3 as a sophomore in a decent conference over a freshman who averaged 10/3/3 in the best conference in the country despite a fair amount of off the court struggle. Burton can be a solid player at his peak, Carton at his peak is a first round NBA talent
My preference for Burton is because Carton would only be at MU for one year. Talent for talent, yes Carton is better no question about it, but Burton you get for an extra year.
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Possibly relevant, no position overlap, but how many scholies did Tech have to give away?
https://twitter.com/RedRaiderSports/status/1249093341498793984
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Possibly relevant, no position overlap, but how many scholies did Tech have to give away?
https://twitter.com/RedRaiderSports/status/1249093341498793984
According to this...zero:
https://www.stakingtheplains.com/2020/01/02/texas-tech-2020-mens-basketball-recruiting-eligibility-chart-update/
Deshawn Corprew left the program, but that was at the beginning of last year and it looks like that has been filled. Maybe they are assuming Ramsey goes pro? They are also still in for Haarms. Wonder if there might be some Beard-trimming to come in Lubbock.
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Possibly relevant, no position overlap, but how many scholies did Tech have to give away?
https://twitter.com/RedRaiderSports/status/1249093341498793984
Actually, they currently have NO scholarships. Signing him actually puts them over by one. But they still believe Ramsey will declare for the draft. That would give them one, not sure where they'd get another for Burton.
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Regarding this...
I think DeJulius seems most likely, but will depend on what happens tomorrow with the Burton & Turner announcements. I was always surprised we didn't go after DeJulius when he was in high school considering he played with Greg. I think it would be a solid get, maybe not as eye-popping as Carton or Turner, but a very solid guy to give us a solid point guard rotation with Torrence for a couple years.
Burton is the guy I want the most, but I agree that he seems like a Texas Tech guy. His on/off stats that Paint Touches found were absolutely eye-popping. I would rank him #1 on my own wish list. He may not blow you away with stats, but he does everything you could ask that leads to winning. His value won't show up in a box score.
Carton is a stud and I like what I've heard. He'd be my second priority after Burton. I feel like he could play alongside anyone on our current roster. Also like that he's pretty much certain to be eligible next season at what's probably our greatest need position.
Turner I like but I have no idea where he goes. I do like the Instagram trends.
In terms of preference, I would rank them Burton, Carton, Turner, DeJulius. In terms of likelihood, I would say DeJulius, Carton, Turner, Burton. I think we'll end up with two of them and be left wondering what Mane will do. Tomorrow to me seems like a double disappointment, but if we get DeJulius & Carton, that's still going to be one of the better transfer hauls of anyone in the country. Both were solid players in a very good league.
Marquette needs an eligible-now point guard. Turner? Fine. Burton? Sure. But IF Carton comes on board and is eligible immediately, that’s all MU needs. Carton, current roster, incoming recruits. Let’s ball!
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My preference for Burton is because Carton would only be at MU for one year. Talent for talent, yes Carton is better no question about it, but Burton you get for an extra year.
They are all starters for me
As for talent and probably what they can bring to Marquette too
1. Carton
2a. Turner 2b. Burton
3. DeJulius
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Wonder if there might be some Beard-trimming to come in Lubbock.
Made me chuckle.
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Ramsey will be going pro so that’s one scholarship open.
Just out of curiosity, what makes people feel good about landing Carton? That has been radio silent from everything I’ve seen, and I haven’t seen anything saying he’s cut his list down to any number of schools. Also, is there any timeline for a decision there?
Also, why do people assume we’d only have him for one year? I’d be more surprised if he is a one and done than if he’s here for 3 years.
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Ramsey will be going pro so that’s one scholarship open.
Just out of curiosity, what makes people feel good about landing Carton? That has been radio silent from everything I’ve seen, and I haven’t seen anything saying he’s cut his list down to any number of schools. Also, is there any timeline for a decision there?
Also, why do people assume we’d only have him for one year? I’d be more surprised if he is a one and done than if he’s here for 3 years.
This is the one I’ve been wondering about. People put proximity + finalist from original recruitment together and ran with it.
IMO if they truly felt Carton was coming all along why the pursuit of DeJulius
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This is the one I’ve been wondering about. People put proximity + finalist from original recruitment together and ran with it.
IMO if they truly felt Carton was coming all along why the pursuit of DeJulius
Read in an article that said something like
Most people feel Carton is down to Marquette and Iowa State
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Everyone assumes Burton is going to Tech, or even Xavier...however I can't get over the article the other day where he said style of play is very important to him, and he wants to play faster than they did at Wichita.
This paragraph stands out to me...
“The biggest thing is style of play," said Burton. "I ask the coaches what players I should be watching, and who I play like. All of that little stuff, and then I go back and watch the film to see if I fit in. I am taking into account tempo, how fast teams play, and see if I fit. I don’t know our pace at Wichita but want to play a little bit faster.”
Of his four finalists MU by far plays the fastest. Tech actually the slowest.
Adj tempo per Kenpom:
MU-60
Xavier-191
Hall- 93
Tech-236
Wichita-101
So I guess Hall would meet his criteria, but again they won't take him and not have a scholarship available for Sonogoa. Xavier does not, and Tech most certainly does not. If he holds true to what he says is important to him...he'll pick MU.
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IMO if they truly felt Carton was coming all along why the pursuit of DeJulius
I think Carton is generally viewed as having a strong chance of getting a waiver to play right away and likely to declare for the NBA after next season. So the thought process is that Carton and Sy are our PGs in 20-21, and Dejulius and Sy are our PGs in 21-22.
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Everyone assumes Burton is going to Tech, or even Xavier...however I can't get over the article the other day where he said style of play is very important to him, and he wants to play faster than they did at Wichita.
This paragraph stands out to me...
“The biggest thing is style of play," said Burton. "I ask the coaches what players I should be watching, and who I play like. All of that little stuff, and then I go back and watch the film to see if I fit in. I am taking into account tempo, how fast teams play, and see if I fit. I don’t know our pace at Wichita but want to play a little bit faster.”
Of his four finalists MU by far plays the fastest. Tech actually the slowest.
Adj tempo per Kenpom:
MU-60
Xavier-191
Hall- 93
Tech-236
Wichita-101
So I guess Hall would meet his criteria, but again they won't take him and not have a scholarship available for Sonogoa. Xavier does not, and Tech most certainly does not. If he holds true to what he says is important to him...he'll pick MU.
This is the thing that gives me the most hope with Burton. Hope he meant what he said. Of course, coaches promise changes to play style all the time.
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This is the thing that gives me the most hope with Burton. Hope he meant what he said. Of course, coaches promise changes to play style all the time.
Agree and Koby’s tweet saying You know what to do Brodie
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Lol how would Dejulius and carton be a “nightmare”?
Let me explain..DeJulius to me, though solid, is not a big difference maker. Turner, Burton and Carton are. On a talent basis, to me those three are quite a bit ahead of DeJulius. I'm also operating under the assumption that everyone will be eligible next year, IF they want to be. I am also the type to look at the current season and not worry so much about future season until they get here.
For next year...Turner and Burton and Carton have the best chance of making major impacts for MU. So while Carton would be a tremendous get and I'd be happy, combining him with either Turner or Burton and it's much more impactful to me than Carton plus DeJulius. I say it would be a disaster...because if you look at who MU is up against recruiting Turner, Wojo has to win those recruiting battles against Iowa St(dumpster fire), and Missouri(not very good). In Burton's case, again it's not exactly a who's who of CBB they are up against. so to me there is no reason to think they can't/shouldn't at least get one of them, if not both of them.
I know TAMU thinks Turner is only the 5th or 6th best Grad transfer and I respect what he does with the transfer list every year, but people that are around college basketball say he's at worst #2, some think he's the best grad transfer available.
I mean I have to take a scout's word for it: Scout’s take: “Big-time three-level scorer. Has a gift for getting places with the ball. He is really good on or off the ball. He’s one of those guys, if he gets it going, you’re in for a long night. Whichever high-major he ends up at, he will likely be their best player.”
Now, I'm as high on Burton as well. His impact on a game is tremendous, but..I think Turner is a better scorer. I think MU needs that more than anything else next year. That said, that's why if they pull Burton and Turner that's tremendous and remains my wish. One of them and Carton...that's fine too, but to me not quite as good as getting Turner and Burton would be. Missing on Burton AND Turner and getting Carton and DeJulius to me would be incredibly disappointing. To me though, Burton, Turner AND Carton is NOT unrealistic and that's what I continue to hope for.
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This is the thing that gives me the most hope with Burton. Hope he meant what he said. Of course, coaches promise changes to play style all the time.
However, MU has always played fast under Wojo...at least faster then his other candidates. So they can say we'll play faster, Wojo can say it and mean it.
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I think Carton is generally viewed as having a strong chance of getting a waiver to play right away and likely to declare for the NBA after next season. So the thought process is that Carton and Sy are our PGs in 20-21, and Dejulius and Sy are our PGs in 21-22.
Fair. IMO, I would be pretty surprised if anyone has to sit out next year
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Let me explain..DeJulius to me, though solid, is not a big difference maker. Turner, Burton and Carton are. On a talent basis, to me those three are quite a bit ahead of DeJulius. I'm also operating under the assumption that everyone will be eligible next year, IF they want to be. I am also the type to look at the current season and not worry so much about future season until they get here.
I get this mindset. Here's how I view DeJulius. He would be coming in to back up Symir. He doesn't turn it over much and in the last 10 games of the year, was really good. 119.7 ORtg, 16.8% Assist Rate, 7.2% Turnover Rate. He's not Burton, Turner, or Carton, but he's a two-year guy that can be a reliable piece when Sy needs a blow. You need guys like that on the roster too. They can't all be 32 mpg stars.
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Marquette needs an eligible-now point guard. Turner? Fine. Burton? Sure. But IF Carton comes on board and is eligible immediately, that’s all MU needs. Carton, current roster, incoming recruits. Let’s ball!
Agree Marq3332 as we were talking about My Son played much AAU ball his Jr and Sr years and is in the same Grade as Carton. His very good Friend and HS Teammate is a Strong 6’8was posterized by Carton and on UTube. It is only HS info and primitive info but Carton was regarded as one of the best overall. That is why he is #1 for me.
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I get this mindset. Here's how I view DeJulius. He would be coming in to back up Symir. He doesn't turn it over much and in the last 10 games of the year, was really good. 119.7 ORtg, 16.8% Assist Rate, 7.2% Turnover Rate. He's not Burton, Turner, or Carton, but he's a two-year guy that can be a reliable piece when Sy needs a blow. You
need guys like that on the roster too. They
can't all be 32 mpg stars.
My Coworker in the office next to me is friends with Beilein and has talked with Beilein has been in his office and been to church with him recently. What primitive info I have gathered is not much. But to me DeJulius can be a starter but upon further reflection either DeJulius or Symir can be starters talent wise
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I think we both agree Villanova is Elite. If Villanova is, why can’t Marquette return to that level? I think Marquette can. Will require some change, starting off with a shed of the ‘it won’t happen’ mindset.
How long has Jay Wright been Around? No one knows how good MU can be under Wojo, if Wojo stayed that long. Wojo has the two highest ranked recruits coming into the Big East this season and that does not include Oso. Add some very good guards and keep them together to gain some experience and MU will be really good in the near future.
Fire Wojo and lose these recruits and MU becomes a real dumpster fire.
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Because Markus is as good as one of the top 50 players of all time? Wow. Kudos to Wojo for recognizing that and landing him early. Without Wade on the roster, Crean went to 3 NCAA tournaments in 7 years. Wojo has gone 3 of the last 4. We can do this crap all day. And I don't consider calling Wojo 'Crean without Wade' a compliment to Wojo. I have spelled out my concerns about Wojo many times. But he isn't going anywhere for a while.
So, about recruiting.....
Not only was there Wade, but two other future NBA players were on that final four team. All three of them were easily better players(based on NBA success) than Ellenson, who is the only NBA player that has played for Wojo. Maybe Howard plays in NBA, but I have my doubts about that.
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My Coworker in the office next to me is friends with Beilein and has talked with Beilein has been in his office and been to church with him recently. What primitive info I have gathered is not much. But to me DeJulius can be a starter but upon further reflection either DeJulius or Symir can be starters talent wise
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As I tell my adult children: FIND A WAY AND DO IT. Legally!
Maybe Wojo was foolish to chase them, but the last two years he finished 2nd on two big time guards to Kansas and Arizona, who are under investigation for cheating.
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MU was on Carton early. Things have been very quiet and since then. MU now has gone after three other guard transfers, Do we know if MU is actually still recruiting Carton?
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Not only was there Wade, but two other future NBA players were on that final four team. All three of them were easily better players(based on NBA success) than Ellenson, who is the only NBA player that has played for Wojo. Maybe Howard plays in NBA, but I have my doubts about that.
Excuse my tangent but after MU beat Cincy for the CUSA Title, That Day Mr. Harbaugh Tom Crean’ s Father In Law came up to me and asked me at Buck Bradley’s was Wade going pro. I think he thought I was someone else. I said to him I saw Wade getting in a very rusty car with ripped and torn sweats after the Wake Forest Game. I answered Mr Harbaugh I think he is going Pro.
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My Coworker in the office next to me is friends with Beilein and has talked with Beilein has been in his office and been to church with him recently.
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I get this mindset. Here's how I view DeJulius. He would be coming in to back up Symir. He doesn't turn it over much and in the last 10 games of the year, was really good. 119.7 ORtg, 16.8% Assist Rate, 7.2% Turnover Rate. He's not Burton, Turner, or Carton, but he's a two-year guy that can be a reliable piece when Sy needs a blow. You need guys like that on the roster too. They can't all be 32 mpg stars.
I think DeJulius may be better than his numbers indicate. They had one of the best PGs in the nation ahead of DeJulius on the depth chart. He was good enough that the coach played him out of position at the 2 guard for 15 minutes a game. This was for a team ranked in the top 20 of KenPom and as you pointed out, he started trending up towards the end of the season. I like Sy, but unless he makes a big jump, I would expect DeJulius to get the starting nod...
This all of course assume he even ends up here.
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Let me explain..DeJulius to me, though solid, is not a big difference maker. Turner, Burton and Carton are. On a talent basis, to me those three are quite a bit ahead of DeJulius. I'm also operating under the assumption that everyone will be eligible next year, IF they want to be. I am also the type to look at the current season and not worry so much about future season until they get here.
For next year...Turner and Burton and Carton have the best chance of making major impacts for MU. So while Carton would be a tremendous get and I'd be happy, combining him with either Turner or Burton and it's much more impactful to me than Carton plus DeJulius. I say it would be a disaster...because if you look at who MU is up against recruiting Turner, Wojo has to win those recruiting battles against Iowa St(dumpster fire), and Missouri(not very good). In Burton's case, again it's not exactly a who's who of CBB they are up against. so to me there is no reason to think they can't/shouldn't at least get one of them, if not both of them.
I know TAMU thinks Turner is only the 5th or 6th best Grad transfer and I respect what he does with the transfer list every year, but people that are around college basketball say he's at worst #2, some think he's the best grad transfer available.
I mean I have to take a scout's word for it: Scout’s take: “Big-time three-level scorer. Has a gift for getting places with the ball. He is really good on or off the ball. He’s one of those guys, if he gets it going, you’re in for a long night. Whichever high-major he ends up at, he will likely be their best player.”
Now, I'm as high on Burton as well. His impact on a game is tremendous, but..I think Turner is a better scorer. I think MU needs that more than anything else next year. That said, that's why if they pull Burton and Turner that's tremendous and remains my wish. One of them and Carton...that's fine too, but to me not quite as good as getting Turner and Burton would be. Missing on Burton AND Turner and getting Carton and DeJulius to me would be incredibly disappointing. To me though, Burton, Turner AND Carton is NOT unrealistic and that's what I continue to hope for.
Getting 2 of those still doesn't seem like a "nightmare scenario" compared to, say, getting none.
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Missing on Burton AND Turner and getting Carton and DeJulius to me would be incredibly disappointing. To me though, Burton, Turner AND Carton is NOT unrealistic and that's what I continue to hope for.
Yes and there's a chance the virus disappears by 6 a.m. tomorrow.
You need to get a grip and I can't be more serious.
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Lol My Co Worker was in Beilein’s office the last year he was at Michigan. They were at Mass together when the Cavaliers were in town at Saint John’s Cathedral and Beilein called my friend by name and they went in
together.
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I think DeJulius may be better than his numbers indicate. They had one of the best PGs in the nation ahead of DeJulius on the depth chart. He was good enough that the coach played him out of position at the 2 guard for 15 minutes a game. This was for a team ranked in the top 20 of KenPom and as you pointed out, he started trending up towards the end of the season. I like Sy, but unless he makes a big jump, I would expect DeJulius to get the starting nod...
This all of course assume he even ends up here.
Could very well be, but I think if the worst case scenario is that he's a solid contributor off the bench, you still need those kind of guys. Having him would insure some good guard depth for the next couple years.
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Yes and there's a chance the virus disappears by 6 a.m. tomorrow.
You need to get a grip and I can't be more serious.
I don't know why you are always seemingly so testy Ted. Look, I never said I EXPECT them to land all three, just that that is my hope/wish, and to me shouldn't be out of the realm of possibilities. I mean no one has announced yet, so until they do, it's still possible, right?? And I will point out that in regards to Turner, look who his finalists are..essentially Iowa St and Missou. They aren't who's who of CBB are they?? MU should win recruiting battles like that typically, wouldn't you agree?? In regards to Burton..look at his comments about wanting to play fast...also look at his other finalists..Xavier...I can see them as a maybe, but they are Guard heavy right now and really need another big more than anything. Hall?? They have one scholarship left and have to save it for Sanogo. Texas Tech just got a commitment yesterday which currently puts them one over the limit. They can probably make room for him sure, but again Burton said he wants to play fast...I go by that, a direct quote from the kid.
Carton...who knows about him, but still not out of the realm.
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Not the right thread but HUGE Big East news...
Jeff Goodman
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Creighton guard Ty-Shon Alexander (16.9 ppg) expected to declare for the NBA Draft & barring a change of heart, his intention is to remain in the draft and bypass his senior season, NBA source told @Stadium
. Hit to a Bluejays team that's currently in everyone’s Preseason Top 4.
The only surprise to me has been how low Alexander has been in some mock drafts I've seen. I can't shake the feeling that he'll be a better pro than either Powell or Markus -- better size, better all-around talent, far far superior defender. I thought he was the best two-way guard in the Big East. Creighton will miss him terribly.
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I don't know why you are always seemingly so testy Ted. Look, I never said I EXPECT them to land all three, just that that is my hope/wish, and to me shouldn't be out of the realm of possibilities. I mean no one has announced yet, so until they do, it's still possible, right?? And I will point out that in regards to Turner, look who his finalists are..essentially Iowa St and Missou. They aren't who's who of CBB are they?? MU should win recruiting battles like that typically, wouldn't you agree?? In regards to Burton..look at his comments about wanting to play fast...also look at his other finalists..Xavier...I can see them as a maybe, but they are Guard heavy right now and really need another big more than anything. Hall?? They have one scholarship left and have to save it for Sanogo. Texas Tech just got a commitment yesterday which currently puts them one over the limit. They can probably make room for him sure, but again Burton said he wants to play fast...I go by that, a direct quote from the kid.
Carton...who knows about him, but still not out of the realm.
You are way overthinking things. You ve just labelled it "disappointing" if we only get two of the four transfers we are shooting for. I hope you understand that with those sights, you are bound to be disappointed again.
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Getting 2 of those still doesn't seem like a "nightmare scenario" compared to, say, getting none.
Well sure, getting none would be a "nightmare scenario", but I'm not expecting that to happen. Just saying, on the surface when you are a finalist for two of the top 5-10 transfers available, given who you are up against for them(keep in mind this isn't Duke, Kansas etc) not landing even one of them(Burton/Turner) would be incredibly disappointing I'd say. Maybe "nightmare scenario" is too strong, but disappointing. Does that mean I would slam Wojo for it. Nope. Carton and DeJulius would be solid, very solid, but to me just not as good as it could be potentially(at least as how things sit right now). Can we agree on that??
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Well sure, getting none would be a "nightmare scenario", but I'm not expecting that to happen. Just saying, on the surface when you are a finalist for two of the top 5-10 transfers available, given who you are up against for them(keep in mind this isn't Duke, Kansas etc) not landing even one of them(Burton/Turner) would be incredibly disappointing I'd say. Maybe "nightmare scenario" is too strong, but disappointing. Does that mean I would slam Wojo for it. Nope. Carton and DeJulius would be solid, very solid, but to me just not as good as it could be potentially(at least as how things sit right now). Can we agree on that??
You've spent the past year hailing the greatness of Chris Beard, but now suggest beating him for a highly sought recruit should be expected?
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You've spent the past year hailing the greatness of Chris Beard, but now suggest beating him for a highly sought recruit should be expected?
Bullcrap...I have not mentioned Beard but maybe more than a couple times. Look at what Burton said..direct quote..“The biggest thing is style of play," said Burton. "I ask the coaches what players I should be watching, and who I play like. All of that little stuff, and then I go back and watch the film to see if I fit in. I am taking into account tempo, how fast teams play, and see if I fit. I don’t know our pace at Wichita but want to play a little bit faster.”
If he goes by what he says, why wouldn't you think MU would be ahead of Texas Tech?? They play SLOW. Not too mention as things sit, TT is ONE over their scholarship limit. Ramsey needs to turn pro just to get them back to even. So given all this, why wouldn't you think MU should beat out Texas Tech?? Under normal circumstances, maybe not so much, but in this individual instance, give nwhat he himself said etc..yes, IMO.
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You are way overthinking things. You ve just labelled it "disappointing" if we only get two of the four transfers we are shooting for. I hope you understand that with those sights, you are bound to be disappointed again.
Again, that is NOT what I said, what i have said repeatedly, that a combination of two that doesn't include either Burton or Turner would be disappointing to me. Carton would be a GREAT pull, make no mistake about it..But c'mon, can we honestly say that Carton and DeJulius(for instance), though good, wouldn't be a bit disappointing compared to say A Carton/Turner or Carton/Burton combo?? I want the most talent they can possibly get, and for me it's a combination of two of :Carton/Turner/Burton. I do think they will get two transfers, I'm just not sure who the two will be.
Let's also be honest, given what Burton has said, he should be a realistic get, right?? So to should be Turner, I mean, you only have to beat out Missouri and Iowa St. NOT Kansas, Duke, Kentucky. Both of them would be phenomenal, one of them, to me, and I'd be ok with anyone else they brought in, but not AS happy if it's both. make sense?? I just think one of those two is crucial..Particularly Turner for next year.
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Again, that is NOT what I said, what i have said repeatedly, that a combination of two that doesn't include either Burton or Turner would be disappointing to me. Carton would be a GREAT pull, make no mistake about it..But c'mon, can we honestly say that Carton and DeJulius(for instance), though good, wouldn't be a bit disappointing compared to say A Carton/Turner or Carton/Burton combo?? I want the most talent they can possibly get, and for me it's a combination of two of :Carton/Turner/Burton. I do think they will get two transfers, I'm just not sure who the two will be.
No because my expectation is we will only get one. If we manage to get two, that will exceed my expectations.
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Let me explain..DeJulius to me, though solid, is not a big difference maker. Turner, Burton and Carton are. On a talent basis, to me those three are quite a bit ahead of DeJulius. I'm also operating under the assumption that everyone will be eligible next year, IF they want to be. I am also the type to look at the current season and not worry so much about future season until they get here.
For next year...Turner and Burton and Carton have the best chance of making major impacts for MU. So while Carton would be a tremendous get and I'd be happy, combining him with either Turner or Burton and it's much more impactful to me than Carton plus DeJulius. I say it would be a disaster...because if you look at who MU is up against recruiting Turner, Wojo has to win those recruiting battles against Iowa St(dumpster fire), and Missouri(not very good). In Burton's case, again it's not exactly a who's who of CBB they are up against. so to me there is no reason to think they can't/shouldn't at least get one of them, if not both of them.
I know TAMU thinks Turner is only the 5th or 6th best Grad transfer and I respect what he does with the transfer list every year, but people that are around college basketball say he's at worst #2, some think he's the best grad transfer available.
I mean I have to take a scout's word for it: Scout’s take: “Big-time three-level scorer. Has a gift for getting places with the ball. He is really good on or off the ball. He’s one of those guys, if he gets it going, you’re in for a long night. Whichever high-major he ends up at, he will likely be their best player.”
Now, I'm as high on Burton as well. His impact on a game is tremendous, but..I think Turner is a better scorer. I think MU needs that more than anything else next year. That said, that's why if they pull Burton and Turner that's tremendous and remains my wish. One of them and Carton...that's fine too, but to me not quite as good as getting Turner and Burton would be. Missing on Burton AND Turner and getting Carton and DeJulius to me would be incredibly disappointing. To me though, Burton, Turner AND Carton is NOT unrealistic and that's what I continue to hope for.
Everything bolded here is 100% your opinion. I doubt you have watched as much tape as the coaching staff has. You haven't spoken to any of these kids or coaches to get a feel for what they are like, who they are, how they have fit into previous teams, studied analytics or how the coaching staff plans to use these guys.
Iowa State a dumpster fire? 7 out of the last 9 years with 20+ wins. Conf champs 4 of the last 6 seasons. Terrible year this year but if you think they are a dumpster fire, Marquette is much worse.
If the worst case scenario is Carton and DeJulius, I think we are in great shape.
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No because my expectation is we will only get one. If we manage to get two, that will exceed my expectations.
I share your expectations. The problem is that I think that result would mean a mediocre team next year. If we hope to be an upper tier Big East team with a chance to make a little noise in March we’ll have to do better than that. We have lots of playing time to sell. Let’s hope we find a couple of buyers.
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I share your expectations. The problem is that I think that result would mean a mediocre team next year. If we hope to be an upper tier Big East team with a chance to make a little noise in March we’ll have to do better than that. We have lots of playing time to sell. Let’s hope we find a couple of buyers.
Lenny nails it completely. For me, it's all about next year right now. Again operating under the assumption that everyone will be eligible(if they want to be), in order for next year to be good, two of them are necessary. Not sure one of them is enough to get them in the tournament. Two?? yes, and the right combination could make next year REALLY good.
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I share your expectations. The problem is that I think that result would mean a mediocre team next year. If we hope to be an upper tier Big East team with a chance to make a little noise in March we’ll have to do better than that. We have lots of playing time to sell. Let’s hope we find a couple of buyers.
Not only playing time, but established players can immediately be the featured player(s), high usage, go to guy in crunch time, etc. Who would a Turner or Carton (if he can gain immediate eligibility) see as competition for that role next year? Garcia would be it, and he’s a complete unproven commodity, although likely to be a core guy from day one.
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I share your expectations. The problem is that I think that result would mean a mediocre team next year. If we hope to be an upper tier Big East team with a chance to make a little noise in March we’ll have to do better than that. We have lots of playing time to sell. Let’s hope we find a couple of buyers.
I expect one transfer. I expect to be mediocre next year.
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Trying to steer this ship back on course...
Chris Williams, publisher at Cyclone Fanatic said Justin Turner is a “Missouri lean”. And also added that ISU & MU a top DeJulius final 4
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If we get any of these transfers, I’ll generally be happy and optimistic about them. But there is a major caveat after the epic failures of Chartouny, Morrow, and McEwen. We’ve been sold a bill of goods before on Wojo’s transfers, and I’m frankly tired of being let down by their miserable performances.
Especially Turner coming from the MAC, color me a little skeptical about him. Carton would be the only one I would feel close to 100% assurance would be as good as advertised.
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Trying to steer this ship back on course...
Chris Williams, publisher at Cyclone Fanatic said Justin Turner is a “Missouri lean”. And also added that ISU & MU a top DeJulius final 4
He put that out there yesterday and I'd take it with a grain of salt because he also said "I expect him to announce Sunday or Monday", after it will already known Turner was announcing Monday.
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I expect one transfer. I expect to be mediocre next year.
Think we’ll get two is my wild guess. No idea or prediction which combination.
And then Wojo will deliver Wojoesque results because we all know who he is.
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He put that out there yesterday and I'd take it with a grain of salt because he also said "I expect him to announce Sunday or Monday", after it will already known Turner was announcing Monday.
Turner aside, I would be very happy with DeJulius
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If we get any of these transfers, I’ll generally be happy and optimistic about them. But there is a major caveat after the epic failures of Chartouny, Morrow, and McEwen. We’ve been sold a bill of goods before on Wojo’s transfers, and I’m frankly tired of being let down by their miserable performances.
Especially Turner coming from the MAC, color me a little skeptical about him. Carton would be the only one I would feel close to 100% assurance would be as good as advertised.
I understand your skepticism, and it's warranted, but let's also not forget the good..Rowsey, Carlino etc, and I don't think McEwen's story has been completely written yet. As far as Turner goes, just remember this quote from a scout: Scout’s take: “Big-time three-level scorer. Has a gift for getting places with the ball. He is really good on or off the ball. He’s one of those guys, if he gets it going, you’re in for a long night. Whichever high-major he ends up at, he will likely be their best player.” The Mac also isn't as low of a level as say the Southern conference or something.
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Btw for anyone on 247, muguru has got to be true golden eagles - running at 120% at all times
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If we get any of these transfers, I’ll generally be happy and optimistic about them. But there is a major caveat after the epic failures of Chartouny, Morrow, and McEwen. We’ve been sold a bill of goods before on Wojo’s transfers, and I’m frankly tired of being let down by their miserable performances.
Especially Turner coming from the MAC, color me a little skeptical about him. Carton would be the only one I would feel close to 100% assurance would be as good as advertised.
I feel like Chartouny and McEwen were a case of taking a step up that ended up too big for them. Morrow I actually think was mostly what he was. He didn't improve a ton, but his sophomore year at Nebraska and junior year at Marquette were very similar. I think he would be remembered more fondly for that year had Theo not taken such a step forward that cut Ed's minutes down. This past year he wasn't good, but once Jayce was healthy, there really just wasn't a role for him. I feel like he pretty much was what he was at Nebraska.
That's why I'm bullish on Carton, DeJulius (as at least a solid rotational piece), and Burton. They played well for comparable programs against largely comparable opposition. I share your concerns with Turner. He looks really good, but for every Damion Lee that is just as good when they make the jump up, there are a dozen Chartounys that just aren't able to elevate to that level.
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One thing on Turner...One of his former teammates at Bowling Green-Jeff Uju is currently a student in MU's dental school ;)
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I understand your skepticism, and it's warranted, but let's also not forget the good..Rowsey, Carlino etc, and I don't think McEwen's story has been completely written yet. As far as Turner goes, just remember this quote from a scout: Scout’s take: “Big-time three-level scorer. Has a gift for getting places with the ball. He is really good on or off the ball. He’s one of those guys, if he gets it going, you’re in for a long night. Whichever high-major he ends up at, he will likely be their best player.” The Mac also isn't as low of a level as say the Southern conference or something.
Agree certainly about Rowsey and Carlino, we’re certainly due for transfer success cases like they were.
I wish I could share your holding out some hope for McEwen. I just see a guy not up to this level as Brew stated.
As far as Turner, transfers from A-10 and Mountain West were/ are miserable failures so far. I would put MAC behind both those conferences. But Turner’s success far exceeded Chartouny/ McEwen, so hopefully means he’s an apples and oranges comparison to those two if he chooses MU.
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not so Good Friday in Omaha.
Mintz to Kentucky & Ty-Shon to NBA
McDermott can’t coach
#cancer
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The only surprise to me has been how low Alexander has been in some mock drafts I've seen. I can't shake the feeling that he'll be a better pro than either Powell or Markus -- better size, better all-around talent, far far superior defender. I thought he was the best two-way guard in the Big East. Creighton will miss him terribly.
He’s got the Vander issue. He’s just a bit undersized for the 2 in the current NBA. They actually compare pretty favorably in terms of stats, though Alexander is a better player overall and a better outside shooter. Which is why he’ll likely be a second round pick instead of undrafted like Vander
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If we get any of these transfers, I’ll generally be happy and optimistic about them. But there is a major caveat after the epic failures of Chartouny, Morrow, and McEwen. We’ve been sold a bill of goods before on Wojo’s transfers, and I’m frankly tired of being let down by their miserable performances.
Especially Turner coming from the MAC, color me a little skeptical about him. Carton would be the only one I would feel close to 100% assurance would be as good as advertised.
We have and continue to "be sold a bill of goods" overall on Wojo
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Might not be the right thread, but putting McEwen in the same group as Chartouny is not quite fair. His shooting number everywhere but from the line were disappointing, but he still averaged 10 points, 5 boards and 3 assists with an injured hand, and being either the best or second best on ball defender. Chartouny averaged 3 points, 2 boards, and 2 assists, while losing the backup PG position to a combination of Sacar and Sam, when Markus got hurt. Their relative levels of success at MU are not even close IMO.
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Agree certainly about Rowsey and Carlino, we’re certainly due for transfer success cases like they were.
I wish I could share your holding out some hope for McEwen. I just see a guy not up to this level as Brew stated.
As far as Turner, transfers from A-10 and Mountain West were/ are miserable failures so far. I would put MAC behind both those conferences. But Turner’s success far exceeded Chartouny/ McEwen, so hopefully means he’s an apples and oranges comparison to those two if he chooses MU.
Some #'s on Turner from past seasons vs Major competition:
In 2018-2019 vs. St John's he was 9-15 from the floor, 4-7 from 3, 24 points, 4 assists, 4 rebounds in 35 minutes.
Vs Buffalo(when they were highly ranked all year) he was 8-13, 3-5 from 3, 22 points, 4 rebounds, 1 asst
Vs Buffalo x2 6-17, 1-7 17 points, 2 assts, 4 rebounds
This past year vs LSU: 10-19 from the field, 4-7 from 3, 26 points, 3 assists 6 rebounds
Vs. Cincy he was 3-11 and 0-5 10 points, 3 assists and 2 rebounds in 20 minutes as he got injured that game
So even though it
's a small sample size, he has shown the ability to be big time against high level competition
So even though it was a small sample size,
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If we get any of these transfers, I’ll generally be happy and optimistic about them. But there is a major caveat after the epic failures of Chartouny, Morrow, and McEwen. We’ve been sold a bill of goods before on Wojo’s transfers, and I’m frankly tired of being let down by their miserable performances.
Especially Turner coming from the MAC, color me a little skeptical about him. Carton would be the only one I would feel close to 100% assurance would be as good as advertised.
To be fair, none of those guys were considered the cream of the crop of their transfer classes, nor were they really balling out for their precious team in a competitive conference.
Turner is the only one who’s game worries me re: translating results since he played in such a weak conference. But he’s also considers a top 2 transfer just about everywhere you look. That has to count for something. Pretty high boom/bust potential
Carton/Burton/Dejulius are all considered within the top echelon of guarda available, and have all played in a power conference and out up numbers.
I think this is a rare opportunity that could really change the outlook of this team from a mediocre to poor next season to a very solid seaaon. We would need two commitments to do that in my opinion. And I think it’s very possible we do
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We have and continue to "be sold a bill of goods" overall on Wojo
I’m with Willie on this. We need to get guys that fit Brian Wardle’s system. We need players that can’t shoot or score. The guys Wojo is looking at are too offensive-minded
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Gang, Coach Wojo has to do something.
He’s got a set of three really wonderful recruits in Oso, Garcia and Fields, but so much uncertainty at the guard spot that we don’t know whether someone can step up. If we get any of the Top 3, we’ve got a shot at a pretty good team next year. Without a top transfer, we’ve got a problem.
If we get a transfer and Karim Mane, WOW.
What we offer is playing time — lots of it — and the chance to be surrounded by some very good recruits. Yeah, other schools offer some variant of this, but I suspect none have quite the combination we do, especially if Fields is as good as promised. The biggest weakness we have is Wojo Coaching up and getting our talent to the next level.
I’m down but not out on Koby. He was injured and he was trying to find his place in a Markus-centric offense. I’m a little more optimistic only because the offense going into next year has to be more distributive and multi-faceted. The good news is that our opponents can’t double or triple any one player.
Ultimately, my hope is a transfer is a bridge between now and Dexter Akanno stepping up. And that Dexter and Karim are 2021-2022’s starting guards.
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Btw for anyone on 247, muguru has got to be true golden eagles - running at 120% at all times
No...that is NOT me, I assure you..LOL But I do wonder who he is.
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Gang, Coach Wojo has to do something.
He’s got a set of three really wonderful recruits in Oso, Garcia and Fields, but so much uncertainty at the guard spot that we don’t know whether someone can step up. If we get any of the Top 3, we’ve got a shot at a pretty good team next year. Without a top transfer, we’ve got a problem.
If we get a transfer and Karim Mane, WOW.
What we offer is playing time — lots of it — and the chance to be surrounded by some very good recruits. Yeah, other schools offer some variant of this, but I suspect none have quite the combination we do, especially if Fields is as good as promised. The biggest weakness we have is Wojo Coaching up and getting our talent to the next level.
I’m down but not out on Koby. He was injured and he was trying to find his place in a Markus-centric offense. I’m a little more optimistic only because the offense going into next year has to be more distributive and multi-faceted. The good news is that our opponents can’t double or triple any one player.
Ultimately, my hope is a transfer is a bridge between now and Dexter Akanno stepping up. And that Dexter and Karim are 2021-2022’s starting guards.
It’s Justin Lewis. Not Fields. He is the Ohio State quarterback.
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https://painttouches.com/2020/04/12/ncaa-free-agent-tracker-april-11th-edition/
Updated the tracker last night. Only 2 "impact" grad transfers left. Maybe another 8-12 who could be starters at the high major level. A bunch who could be important pieces of the bench. MU still involved with 4 of the top 10.
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I feel like Chartouny and McEwen were a case of taking a step up that ended up too big for them. Morrow I actually think was mostly what he was. He didn't improve a ton, but his sophomore year at Nebraska and junior year at Marquette were very similar. I think he would be remembered more fondly for that year had Theo not taken such a step forward that cut Ed's minutes down. This past year he wasn't good, but once Jayce was healthy, there really just wasn't a role for him. I feel like he pretty much was what he was at Nebraska.
That's why I'm bullish on Carton, DeJulius (as at least a solid rotational piece), and Burton. They played well for comparable programs against largely comparable opposition. I share your concerns with Turner. He looks really good, but for every Damion Lee that is just as good when they make the jump up, there are a dozen Chartounys that just aren't able to elevate to that level.
I dont think Theo took any minutes away from Ed. Theo is no world beater. Ed was at times atrocious, the minutes were there to be had.
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Might not be the right thread, but putting McEwen in the same group as Chartouny is not quite fair. His shooting number everywhere but from the line were disappointing, but he still averaged 10 points, 5 boards and 3 assists with an injured hand, and being either the best or second best on ball defender. Chartouny averaged 3 points, 2 boards, and 2 assists, while losing the backup PG position to a combination of Sacar and Sam, when Markus got hurt. Their relative levels of success at MU are not even close IMO.
Id have taken Chartouney over Koby last year. Kobys worst trait didnt really show up in the stats in that ball movement stalled in his hands. Chartouney had more PG instincts in him in that the ball moved n was more often on time and on target. Koby really really hurt us last year. Additionally Chartouneys defense was as good as Kobys.
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Id have taken Chartouney over Koby last year. Kobys worst trait didnt really show up in the stats in that ball movement stalled in his hands. Chartouney had more PG instincts in him in that the ball moved n was more often on time and on target. Koby really really hurt us last year. Additionally Chartouneys defense was as good as Kobys.
This is wrong
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Id have taken Chartouney over Koby last year. Kobys worst trait didnt really show up in the stats in that ball movement stalled in his hands. Chartouney had more PG instincts in him in that the ball moved n was more often on time and on target. Koby really really hurt us last year. Additionally Chartouneys defense was as good as Kobys.
Very much disagree, Chartouny had some nice moments in the non-conference, but dropped off a cliff once conference play started. @Gtown, when Markus got hurt three minutes into the game, Chartouny was only able to claim 11 minutes. 13 points, 9 assist total from the end of January through the remainder of the season (12 game sample size). Definition of a player that couldn't cut it once the level of competition stepped up.
Koby's shooting percentages were poor, but he helped in other areas. 9 boards against STJ, 11 against BU and Nova each, 8 assist against CU, 9 against Gtown.
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Id have taken Chartouney over Koby last year. Kobys worst trait didnt really show up in the stats in that ball movement stalled in his hands. Chartouney had more PG instincts in him in that the ball moved n was more often on time and on target. Koby really really hurt us last year. Additionally Chartouneys defense was as good as Kobys.
Wooo. That is a bad basketball thought right there.
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Id have taken Chartouney over Koby last year. Kobys worst trait didnt really show up in the stats in that ball movement stalled in his hands. Chartouney had more PG instincts in him in that the ball moved n was more often on time and on target. Koby really really hurt us last year. Additionally Chartouneys defense was as good as Kobys.
Wow. Some dumb things have been said on this board, but this ranks among the dumbest.
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I dont think Theo took any minutes away from Ed. Theo is no world beater. Ed was at times atrocious, the minutes were there to be had.
They played the same position. Wojo didn't use any two-big in 2018-19 and barely used it last year. To get minutes, he had to get them ahead of Theo. Ed was certainly really bad at times, but he was basically the same guy we recruited from Nebraska (a little less efficient last year, but left halfway through the season so a small sample size).
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We can agree to disagree. Koby was a traiwreck. With a capable PG MU is 13-5 in BE last yr or better
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Do we know the times of their decisions tomorrow?
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We can agree to disagree. Koby was a traiwreck. With a capable PG MU is 13-5 in BE last yr or better
You’re using the record to support your argument? Impressive. I think when DJover posted “13 points, 9 assist total from the end of January through the remainder of the season (12 game sample size).” You lost the argument. It’s quiet time, take a lap.
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One thing on Turner...One of his former teammates at Bowling Green-Jeff Uju is currently a student in MU's dental school ;)
Eye'll cee watt eye kan due, hey?
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Well sure, getting none would be a "nightmare scenario", but I'm not expecting that to happen. Just saying, on the surface when you are a finalist for two of the top 5-10 transfers available, given who you are up against for them(keep in mind this isn't Duke, Kansas etc) not landing even one of them(Burton/Turner) would be incredibly disappointing I'd say. Maybe "nightmare scenario" is too strong, but disappointing. Does that mean I would slam Wojo for it. Nope. Carton and DeJulius would be solid, very solid, but to me just not as good as it could be potentially(at least as how things sit right now). Can we agree on that??
Thanks for backing off saying it's a "nightmare situation" if we get 2 of the 4 transfers we're after, because that was just plain silly.
As for what we can agree on ... if you are right about each player's ability, maybe. But I saw Carton excel against Kentucky and Nova as well as a couple of clips of him in highlights; he looked like a stud at times. I saw Dejulius play really well against Maryland but the other time I saw him he looked a little lost. I haven't seen one second of Burton or Turner. It seems lots of good programs want all 4 of these players, and I have no reason to doubt the judgment of Beard, Prohm, Martin, etc. I'd be thrilled with any 2 of them.
I'm glad all of these decisions will be made in a matter of hours so we can stop speculating on them. If something happens to make all of them delay their choices, THAT would be my nightmare scenario!
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Gang, Coach Wojo has to do something.
He’s got a set of three really wonderful recruits in Oso, Garcia and Fields, but so much uncertainty at the guard spot that we don’t know whether someone can step up. If we get any of the Top 3, we’ve got a shot at a pretty good team next year. Without a top transfer, we’ve got a problem.
If we get a transfer and Karim Mane, WOW.
What we offer is playing time — lots of it — and the chance to be surrounded by some very good recruits. Yeah, other schools offer some variant of this, but I suspect none have quite the combination we do, especially if Fields is as good as promised. The biggest weakness we have is Wojo Coaching up and getting our talent to the next level.
I’m down but not out on Koby. He was injured and he was trying to find his place in a Markus-centric offense. I’m a little more optimistic only because the offense going into next year has to be more distributive and multi-faceted. The good news is that our opponents can’t double or triple any one player.
Ultimately, my hope is a transfer is a bridge between now and Dexter Akanno stepping up. And that Dexter and Karim are 2021-2022’s starting guards.
Lost me at Fields.
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Time to get bunker cleaned up and ready
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Time to get bunker cleaned up and ready
This isn't feasible due to current social distancing requirements 8-) Also, there isn't much point in going to the bunker if we aren't certain if there's a need to be there...we are gonna have to learn more solid intel first. :P
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This is wrong
Very.
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We can agree to disagree. Koby was a traiwreck. With a capable PG MU is 13-5 in BE last yr or better
Sorry but not close. Koby single handedly won us the Purdue game and kept us in Butler. Chart didn’t come near to the same production. Don’t let you Koby hate blind your basketball judgement.
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Time to get bunker cleaned up and ready
For multiple reasons?
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This isn't feasible due to current social distancing requirements 8-) Also, there isn't much point in going to the bunker if we aren't certain if there's a need to be there...we are gonna have to learn more solid intel first. :P
Always be negative, hey?
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Eye'll cee watt eye kan due, hey?
Please dew doc, hey
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Burton just started following an asst Coach from Teas Tech on instagram :-\
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Sorry but not close. Koby single handedly won us the Purdue game and kept us in Butler. Chart didn’t come near to the same production. Don’t let you Koby hate blind your basketball judgement.
Nobody needs to compare Koby to Chartouny to understand he was not a good basketball player last year.
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Burton just started following an asst Coach from Teas Tech on instagram :-\
He’s gone. Onto the next
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He’s gone. Onto the next
reporting for duty (https://cdn2.sportngin.com/attachments/photo/4010-117324156/Jonah_Antonio_medium.jpg)
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May be telling how MU is feeling about tomorrow...still reaching out to guys...
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Southern Miss. transfer Gabe Watson has heard from Maryland, Marquette, Georgetown, Colorado State, Tulane, Tulsa, Mississippi State, San Diego, amongst others, he told @Stockrisers
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Has two years of eligibility remaining. Averaged 13 points per game on 40% shooting.
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May be telling how MU is feeling about tomorrow...still reaching out to guys...
Jake
@jakeweingarten
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Southern Miss. transfer Gabe Watson has heard from Maryland, Marquette, Georgetown, Colorado State, Tulane, Tulsa, Mississippi State, San Diego, amongst others, he told @Stockrisers
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Has two years of eligibility remaining. Averaged 13 points per game on 40% shooting.
Never stop recruiting.
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May be telling how MU is feeling about tomorrow...still reaching out to guys...
Jake
@jakeweingarten
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Southern Miss. transfer Gabe Watson has heard from Maryland, Marquette, Georgetown, Colorado State, Tulane, Tulsa, Mississippi State, San Diego, amongst others, he told @Stockrisers
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Has two years of eligibility remaining. Averaged 13 points per game on 40% shooting.
MU could have reached out some time ago. Hopefully it's just a sign of them doing their due diligence in the transfer market as opposed to report within the last couple of days.
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MU could have reached out some time ago. Hopefully it's just a sign of them doing their due diligence in the transfer market as opposed to report within the last couple of days.
Idk, he just entered the portal two days ago
He's a terrible shooter...42% overall last year and under 30% from 3 both years at S. Miss
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Land Carton. That’s it, land Carton. With Garcia, O, Lewis AND Carton, that’s a heck of an incoming haul. Land Carton. That’s it.
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Realistically, one of Turner, Burton or Carton would be a good get. Reading tea leaves, not expecting good news tomorrow on Turner and Burton, but still hopeful.
Still don’t understand the lack of interest in even a role playing big for one of the 3 openings.
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double posted for some reason.
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Idk, he just entered the portal two days ago
He's a terrible shooter...42% overall last year and under 30% from 3 both years at S. Miss
Gotcha. Maybe not a very good sign indeed. Looks like we may have to bank on DJ or Dejulius.
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Realistically, one of Turner, Burton or Carton would be a good get. Reading tea leaves, not expecting good news tomorrow on Turner and Burton, but still hopeful.
Still don’t understand the lack of interest in even a role playing big for one of the 3 openings.
Me personally, I'd rather they not waste a scholarship on someone like this. I understand it's a need, but I'd rather use all 3 scholarships on the most talent you can possibly get , regardless of position. Maybe they feel the same way.
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Still don’t understand the lack of interest in even a role playing big for one of the 3 openings.
I think it means they are confident in Garcia & Lewis being able to back up Theo.
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Realistically, one of Turner, Burton or Carton would be a good get. Reading tea leaves, not expecting good news tomorrow on Turner and Burton, but still hopeful.
Still don’t understand the lack of interest in even a role playing big for one of the 3 openings.
There will be more transfer announcements to come, so who knows what the next couple weeks might hold.
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Me personally, I'd rather they not waste a scholarship on someone like this. I understand it's a need, but I'd rather use all 3 scholarships on the most talent you can possibly get , regardless of position. Maybe they feel the same way.
Yah, we know. You want MU to recruit like we’re Duke, Kentucky, Arizona, and Kansas. Except MU is none of those things.
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Realistically, one of Turner, Burton or Carton would be a good get. Reading tea leaves, not expecting good news tomorrow on Turner and Burton, but still hopeful.
Still don’t understand the lack of interest in even a role playing big for one of the 3 openings.
Probably due to the lack of an NCAA win the past 7 seasons. Just a guess.
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Yah, we know. You want MU to recruit like we’re Duke, Kentucky, Arizona, and Kansas. Except MU is none of those things.
Okay so..are they going up against blue bloods for the transfers they are currently in on?? Is that asking them to recruit like those schools?? Look at Turner's list...look at Burton's list..look at all the info, quotes by the kids, location to home, etc, and tell me why it's unrealistic to think MU couldn't(and maybe even shouldn't) win a recruiting battle for Turner against Missouri and Iowa St, and a recruiting battle against SH, Xavier and Texas Tech for Burton, when the kid himself stated he wants to play fast and that is VERY important to him. Even without that, those schools aren't impossible to recruit against, certainly not blue bloods right??
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Jon Rothstein
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UNLV grad transfer Amauri Hardy has committed to Oregon, per his Twitter page.
Immediately eligible.
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Idk, he just entered the portal two days ago
He's a terrible shooter...42% overall last year and under 30% from 3 both years at S. Miss
Those numbers are better than (overall) and equal (deep) to POY Myles Powell of Seton Hall.
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Those numbers are better than (overall) and equal (deep) to POY Myles Powell of Seton Hall.
But the 'intangibles'
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Coach goes 14-19, finishes in last place in his conference, comes right out and says he should be fired. Then, after season, he loses out on good transfer even though it was transfer's "dream school" and even though it was transfer's dad's alma mater.
Name that horrible coach.
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Coach goes 14-19, finishes in last place in his conference, comes right out and says he should be fired. Then, after season, he loses out on good transfer even though it was transfer's "dream school" and even though it was transfer's dad's alma mater.
Name that horrible coach.
I know this one; it was Whofa Kincares. Nailed it.
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I know this one; it was Whofa Kincares. Nailed it.
;D
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Coach goes 14-19, finishes in last place in his conference, comes right out and says he should be fired. Then, after season, he loses out on good transfer even though it was transfer's "dream school" and even though it was transfer's dad's alma mater.
Name that horrible coach.
Roy Williams. Now what’s your point
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Who by the way, can talk big and bold about school firing him because he knows pigs will fly before that happens.
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Wojo is now following Justin Turner....
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Me personally, I'd rather they not waste a scholarship on someone like this. I understand it's a need, but I'd rather use all 3 scholarships on the most talent you can possibly get , regardless of position. Maybe they feel the same way.
gotta have a pt. guard. Straw that stirs the margarita. When was that last pure pt. guard at MU...Tony Miller? With a DJ Carton, MU will roll.
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When was that last pure pt. guard at MU...Tony Miller? With a DJ Carton, MU will roll.
You’re kidding with that question I hope.
Carton would be a pretty big coup to land.
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Yah, we know. You want MU to recruit like we’re Duke, Kentucky, Arizona, and Kansas. Except MU is none of those things.
...but MU could be. Dump the loser attitude. MU can be Elite again. Go get it!!!
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I know this one; it was Whofa Kincares. Nailed it.
Roy Williams. Now what’s your point
What? We're changing rules on Scoop now? We need to have "a point" when we post something?
Actually, it was that even Hall of Fame coaches at bluebloods sometimes "lose" recruits/transfers despite it seeming as if their schools should be absolute no-brainers. And I was just imagining Scoop's response if our coach (doesn't have to be Wojo; any MU hoops coach) would lose out on a kid whose dad went to Marquette and who called Marquette his "dream school." Especially after a 14-19, last-place season.
But I did like NickelDimer's response.
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You’re kidding with that question I hope.
Carton would be a pretty big coup to land.
...TRUE point guard that was good? Aaron Hutchins wasn’t a true point guard. (If Hutchins was 6’4” he’d have been a 1st round pick as a 2.) Diener? Not a true 1. Dominic James...I’ll give you that, he was excellent. Who else?
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...TRUE point guard that was good? Aaron Hutchins wasn’t a true point guard. (If Hutchins was 6’4” he’d have been a 1st round pick as a 2.) Diener? Not a true 1. Dominic James...I’ll give you that, he was excellent. Who else?
What makes a “TRUE” point guard? A guy who can’t score? If so, I’m not interested in them.
Hutchins and Diener were TRUE point guards. And studs at that.
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Coach goes 14-19, finishes in last place in his conference, comes right out and says he should be fired. Then, after season, he loses out on good transfer even though it was transfer's "dream school" and even though it was transfer's dad's alma mater.
Name that horrible coach.
Wojo’s worst season is worse than Roy’s worst. Wojo’s average season is way worse than Roy’s average one. Wojo’s best season is way, way worse than Roy’s best.
Same with Jay Wright, Coach K and the other successful coaches the projos think are remotely comparable to Wojo. They’re not. It’s embarrassing that people keep comparing them. Please stop.
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...TRUE point guard that was good? Aaron Hutchins wasn’t a true point guard. (If Hutchins was 6’4” he’d have been a 1st round pick as a 2.) Diener? Not a true 1. Dominic James...I’ll give you that, he was excellent. Who else?
Diener not a true point??!!! Now that is stupid!!!
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What makes a “TRUE” point guard? A guy who can’t score? If so, I’m not interested in them.
Hutchins and Diener were TRUE point guards. And studs at that.
Exactly. Though not a stud per say but Junior Cadougan was pretty darn good. he was a true PG
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Wojo is now following Justin Turner....
Muguru
Keep up the good work. I enjoy your posts!
I’m unfamiliar with how this Instagram “following” stuff actually works so be patient. :-\
Did he just start following him? Is it normal to follow a player when he commits to another program?
Thanks in advance.
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Okay so..are they going up against blue bloods for the transfers they are currently in on?? Is that asking them to recruit like those schools?? Look at Turner's list...look at Burton's list..look at all the info, quotes by the kids, location to home, etc, and tell me why it's unrealistic to think MU couldn't(and maybe even shouldn't) win a recruiting battle for Turner against Missouri and Iowa St, and a recruiting battle against SH, Xavier and Texas Tech for Burton, when the kid himself stated he wants to play fast and that is VERY important to him. Even without that, those schools aren't impossible to recruit against, certainly not blue bloods right??
Recruits/players - as well as coaches - say things all the time but then later change their minds. I wouldn't give public statements like that too much value
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Muguru
Keep up the good work. I enjoy your posts!
I’m unfamiliar with how this Instagram “following” stuff actually works so be patient. :-\
Did he just start following him? Is it normal to follow a player when he commits to another program?
Thanks in advance.
Same way you would “add a friend” on Facebook. In a way, to be old school, you’re subscribing to their mailing list, in that now you see all their posts in your feed and if they post “stories” which disappear after 24 hours, it shows up to followers as well.
There aren’t any norms, but it usually conveys a level of interest and investment. Far more interesting are when players follow supporting staff, assistant coaches, or other players
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Exactly. Though not a stud per say but Junior Cadougan was pretty darn good. he was a true PG
Given, MU's record in his three years of starting he was a pretty good point guard.
I believe this year's team would of been much better with Cadougan.
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Wojo’s worst season is worse than Roy’s worst. Wojo’s average season is way worse than Roy’s average one. Wojo’s best season is way, way worse than Roy’s best.
Same with Jay Wright, Coach K and the other successful coaches the projos think are remotely comparable to Wojo. They’re not. It’s embarrassing that people keep comparing them. Please stop.
I specifically said any Marquette coach, not Wojo, but your point is well-taken. But really, all's I was doing was having a little fun while I (like everybody else) goes stir-crazy.
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Recruits/players - as well as coaches - say things all the time but then later change their minds. I wouldn't give public statements like that too much value
I forget who said what, but I also thought Burton said he liked to play defense. That would fit with picking Texas Tech.
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Wojo is now following Justin Turner....
I know this really doesn't mean THAT much, but it is better info than just about anything said in the last 5 pages of this thread, so for that - thank you for monitoring this.
Let's hope we land one or two of the boys tomorrow so I can stop wading through the absolute GARBAGE that is the majority of this thread.
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Same way you would “add a friend” on Facebook. In a way, to be old school, you’re subscribing to their mailing list, in that now you see all their posts in your feed and if they post “stories” which disappear after 24 hours, it shows up to followers as well.
There aren’t any norms, but it usually conveys a level of interest and investment. Far more interesting are when players follow supporting staff, assistant coaches, or other players
Grazie Jwags
Would seem strange then for Wojo to start following a recruit right before said recruit makes his decision, unless coach knows something.
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Exactly. Though not a stud per say but Junior Cadougan was pretty darn good. he was a true PG
Given, MU's record in his three years of starting he was a pretty good point guard.
I believe this year's team would of been much better with Cadougan.
I liked Junior, especially his senior season. Lots and lots and lots of Scoopers, however, have said less-than-nice things about his ability over the years.
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Muguru
Keep up the good work. I enjoy your posts!
I’m unfamiliar with how this Instagram “following” stuff actually works so be patient. :-\
Did he just start following him? Is it normal to follow a player when he commits to another program?
Thanks in advance.
Yes, Wojo just started following him a little while ago..That can only be good IMO. he has had all this time to follow him and hasn't until just a couple hours ago. I know Wojo has unfollowed recruits they have been in on before after they choose someplace else...the timing of this one is interesting. Turner has also been following several MU people for awhile now
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Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
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LMU has landed Temple grad transfer Quentin Jackson, source told @Stadium
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Gang, Coach Wojo has to do something.
He’s got a set of three really wonderful recruits in Oso, Garcia and Fields Lewis, but so much uncertainty at the guard spot that we don’t know whether someone can step up. If we get any of the Top 3, we’ve got a shot at a pretty good team next year. Without a top transfer, we’ve got a problem.
If we get a transfer and Karim Mane, WOW.
What we offer is playing time — lots of it — and the chance to be surrounded by some very good recruits. Yeah, other schools offer some variant of this, but I suspect none have quite the combination we do, especially if Fields is as good as promised. The biggest weakness we have is Wojo Coaching up and getting our talent to the next level.
I’m down but not out on Koby. He was injured and he was trying to find his place in a Markus-centric offense. I’m a little more optimistic only because the offense going into next year has to be more distributive and multi-faceted. The good news is that our opponents can’t double or triple any one player.
Ultimately, my hope is a transfer is a bridge between now and Dexter Akanno stepping up. And that Dexter and Karim are 2021-2022’s starting guards.
Lost me at Fields.
FIFY
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Diener not a true point??!!! Now that is stupid!!!
Diener could play a 1 or 2, and did. Drafted in the 2nd rd, played more 1 than 2, but played off-ball. Don’t bring your weak s&@t in the lane.
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What makes a “TRUE” point guard? A guy who can’t score? If so, I’m not interested in them.
Hutchins and Diener were TRUE point guards. And studs at that.
wake-up wadesw. A true 1 that can create, set/up, dish is what MU needs. Have you watched a MU game in the recent past? Imagine how good Markus could have been with a set-up man.
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Muguru
Keep up the good work. I enjoy your posts!
I’m unfamiliar with how this Instagram “following” stuff actually works so be patient. :-\
I agree. He gives great info around the country.
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It’s Justin Lewis. Not Fields. He is the Ohio State quarterback.
You mean he wasn’t talking about Ronnie Fields?
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Diener could play a 1 or 2, and did. Drafted in the 2nd rd, played more 1 than 2, but played off-ball. Don’t bring your weak s&@t in the lane.
Diener was flat out a PG at MU. So was Hutch.
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I agree. He gives great info around the country.
Thanks man...I just try to keep people informed. Maybe I over do it once in awhile, but if I think it's relevant, I post it.
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Diener was flat out a PG at MU. So was Hutch.
Yep, though he did play a lot off the ball as a frosh behind Cordell Henry.
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Thanks man...I just try to keep people informed. Maybe I over do it once in awhile, but if I think it's relevant, I post it.
Many of us look forward to your posts. Keep em coming.
And honestly, your social media stealth insights appear to be the most relevant morsel of “inside” info that suggests the recruit’s possible landing place.
We will see tomorrow if your forensic analysis proved right!
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Grazie Jwags
Would seem strange then for Wojo to start following a recruit right before said recruit makes his decision, unless coach knows something.
Maybe all he knows is that tomorrow is his decision date.
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Turner announcement at 3 pm ET.
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Turner announcement at 3 pm ET.
Where did you see that??
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Maybe all he knows is that tomorrow is his decision date.
LOL I hope this is sarcasm and you don't really believe this. Wojo knows where he's going by now.
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Where did you see that??
A couple places on Twitter have it.
https://twitter.com/MattJHarris85/status/1249484301810483201?s=19 (https://twitter.com/MattJHarris85/status/1249484301810483201?s=19)
"Justin Turner confirms a decision coming at 3 p.m. ET Monday between #Mizzou, Marquette, Iowa State and Bowling Green."
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A couple places on Twitter have it.
https://twitter.com/MattJHarris85/status/1249484301810483201?s=19 (https://twitter.com/MattJHarris85/status/1249484301810483201?s=19)
"Justin Turner confirms a decision coming at 3 p.m. ET Monday between #Mizzou, Marquette, Iowa State and Bowling Green."
Thanks man!
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A couple places on Twitter have it.
https://twitter.com/MattJHarris85/status/1249484301810483201?s=19 (https://twitter.com/MattJHarris85/status/1249484301810483201?s=19)
"Justin Turner confirms a decision coming at 3 p.m. ET Monday between #Mizzou, Marquette, Iowa State and Bowling Green."
I don’t get his keeping Bowling Green as a possibility. If he does that, WTH was the point of this exercise? Seems like he’s throwing them a bone as he walks out the door, no hard feelings kind of thing
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Any idea when Burton is announcing tomorrow?
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Given, MU's record in his three years of starting he was a pretty good point guard.
I believe this year's team would of been much better with Cadougan.
Top 15 team with Cadougan in place of Koby, no qwestion
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I don’t get his keeping Bowling Green as a possibility. If he does that, WTH was the point of this exercise? Seems like he’s throwing them a bone as he walks out the door, no hard feelings kind of thing
Well...I think it's more a courtesy than anything else...BUT given the way things are right now, if he really doesn't feel truly comfortable with any of the other schools because he can't visit, etc, going back to Bowling Green might not be a bad option in his mind. It's somewhere he knows and somewhere he is comfortable.
I'm going to be honest, I would be LESS perplexed and upset if he somehow ended up going back to Bowling Green then I would be if he chose Missouri or Iowa St. I don't think Iowa st is much of a factor in this, but Marquette has everything he could possibly want..closest to home of the finalists, players from Detroit(one of which he knows well as he played against him in HS), he can be the guy here, and with him a very legit chance of making the tourney next year(much better chance than Iowa St or Mizzou IMO), and as an added bonus hs former teammate and friend goes to MU dental school now. C'mon Justin, make the right decision!
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Any idea when Burton is announcing tomorrow?
I haven't seen anything on him
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Cadougan was a pretty much average high major point guard. Handled it well, could shoot it fine, but below average defensively.
He had a role on those Buzz teams and fit it fine, but watching Peyton Siva blow by him at-will in the BET, while Buzz had Blue guarding some spot up shooter who would just stand in the corner, was one of the more frustrating displays in those Buzz years.
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Diener could play a 1 or 2, and did. Drafted in the 2nd rd, played more 1 than 2, but played off-ball. Don’t bring your weak s&@t in the lane.
This is horrible, truly horrible. Wether it be HS, AAu, college, or the NBA Diener was a PG. Dont recall him ever playing off the ball. This is just a really bad take to say he played off the ball or as a 2. Did u actually ever see him play?
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Top 15 team with Cadougan in place of Koby, no qwestion
Yeah, there would certainly be a question. Cadougan was pretty good, but no savior by any stretch.
The other reason it wouldn’t be close to a given is clueless pacing the sidelines.
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LOL I hope this is sarcasm and you don't really believe this. Wojo knows where he's going by now.
Well, someone reported Wojo is following on Twitter. Wojo wouldn’t be following him if he knew he wasn’t coming here. Ergo, MU it is, right?
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Top 15 team with Cadougan in place of Koby, no qwestion
Junior wouldn't have made that team better. Junior is remembered fondly because of what was around him, not because of what he himself could do.
Junior was, like Koby, a below average point guard. The two were similar in terms of effectiveness. Junior was a little better finishing in the lane but didn't get to or convert at the line as well. Junior had a slightly better assist rate but couldn't shoot the three nearly as well. Both turned it over about the same, both were low-efficiency guys, both had comparable usage. Koby was a much better defender and rebounder.
Considering that what this team needed was additional scoring options, they likely would have been even worse with Junior, who was never much for scoring the basketball.
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Well, someone reported Wojo is following on Twitter. Wojo wouldn’t be following him if he knew he wasn’t coming here. Ergo, MU it is, right?
Sure!
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Thanks man...I just try to keep people informed. Maybe I over do it once in awhile, but if I think it's relevant, I post it.
I don't even see an official twitter account for Wojo or anyone besides Killings following Turner. Help?
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Remember every offseason discussing Junior’s big jump? Waiting for that weight loss and lateral quickness to propel him to an All-BE PG.
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I don't even see an official twitter account for Wojo or anyone besides Killings following Turner. Help?
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Jeff Goodman
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Louisville has landed San Francisco grad transfer Charles Minlend, he told @stadium
. 6-4 guard averaged 14.4 points this past season for the Dons.
Louisville came out of nowhere. Wasn’t even in his final 7: Butler, Arizona, BYU, Arkansas, Mississippi St, Indiana, and Gonzaga.
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Instagram
Thanks. Just saw.
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From an Iowa State insider...
I'm now completely clueless on Turner. Just heard from somebody that it'll be Marquette. All of the national guys seem to think Missouri.
I will be surprised if it's Iowa State ... Not shutting the door completley but just keeping it real too.
I do think ISU is probably the leader for DeJulius.
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Jeff Goodman
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Louisville has landed San Francisco grad transfer Charles Minlend, he told @stadium
. 6-4 guard averaged 14.4 points this past season for the Dons.
Louisville came out of nowhere. Wasn’t even in his final 7: Butler, Arizona, BYU, Arkansas, Mississippi St, Indiana, and Gonzaga.
Last time Louisville came out of nowhere for a recruit the kid's name was Brian Bowen.
Hmm.
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Junior wouldn't have made that team better. Junior is remembered fondly because of what was around him, not because of what he himself could do.
Junior was, like Koby, a below average point guard. The two were similar in terms of effectiveness. Junior was a little better finishing in the lane but didn't get to or convert at the line as well. Junior had a slightly better assist rate but couldn't shoot the three nearly as well. Both turned it over about the same, both were low-efficiency guys, both had comparable usage. Koby was a much better defender and rebounder.
Considering that what this team needed was additional scoring options, they likely would have been even worse with Junior, who was never much for scoring the basketball.
There's some selective memory going on from some of our friends here, brewski. Junior was beaten up pretty good on Scoop. Not nearly as much love as he's getting now.
I liked Junior because I thought he was tough, I thought he gave everything he had to give, and I thought he did a good job organizing the offense. Plus, until Vander's BE-title winning shot vs St John's, I felt Junior made by far the biggest shot of that fun, special season.
What I've said since then is that he should be the floor for Marquette PGs. In other words, we should always be able to recruit well enough that we never have a less-talented PG than he was. Unfortunately, from Buzz's final season through much of Wojo's time, we often have crashed through that floor.
I think we probably would have been a little better these past two years with a junior and senior-caliber Junior because he would have been miles better than Chartouney and he wouldn't have lost his shyte as often as Koby seemed to. But I don't think the final results would have been all that different.
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Well...I think it's more a courtesy than anything else...BUT given the way things are right now, if he really doesn't feel truly comfortable with any of the other schools because he can't visit, etc, going back to Bowling Green might not be a bad option in his mind. It's somewhere he knows and somewhere he is comfortable.
I'm going to be honest, I would be LESS perplexed and upset if he somehow ended up going back to Bowling Green then I would be if he chose Missouri or Iowa St. I don't think Iowa st is much of a factor in this, but Marquette has everything he could possibly want..closest to home of the finalists, players from Detroit(one of which he knows well as he played against him in HS), he can be the guy here, and with him a very legit chance of making the tourney next year(much better chance than Iowa St or Mizzou IMO), and as an added bonus hs former teammate and friend goes to MU dental school now. C'mon Justin, make the right decision!
If this guy comes on board, fine. But an eligible-immediately DJ Carton is the prize! Carton is the difference maker.
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If this guy comes on board, fine. But an eligible-immediately DJ Carton is the prize! Carton is the difference maker.
Don't disagree but I think you're underestimating how good Turner is...Not too mention they can still get Carton as well.
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This is horrible, truly horrible. Wether it be HS, AAu, college, or the NBA Diener was a PG. Dont recall him ever playing off the ball. This is just a really bad take to say he played off the ball or as a 2. Did u actually ever see him play?
season tix bro. The point to all this...true point guard. Tony Miller, Junior, DJames...true/played nothing but the 1. Not a guy that played 1, played 2. Diener played a lot of 1. Played some 2. I’d have to ask if you watched him, attended his games...at any level?
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Don't disagree but I think you're underestimating how good Turner is...Not too mention they can still get Carton as well.
...hope so. A lot of folks are high on Turner, but after missing on RJ Davis, Carton is like a second chance at a top level 1.
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From an Iowa State insider...
I'm now completely clueless on Turner. Just heard from somebody that it'll be Marquette. All of the national guys seem to think Missouri.
I will be surprised if it's Iowa State ... Not shutting the door completley but just keeping it real too.
I do think ISU is probably the leader for DeJulius.
Fingers crossed
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Time to get bunker cleaned up and ready
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Doc should know! Wojo got the tents set up, white catering trucks running in his driveway, They setting up the bouncy castle out back
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Only because it's the first thing we have seen or heard in awhile on Carton...Steve Prohm unfollowed him on twitter.
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Doc should know! Wojo got the tents set up, white catering trucks running in his driveway, They setting up the bouncy castle out back
Eye'm feelin' it, kin. Doe, all quiet at da Crib dis a.m. as ewe wood 'pect at 0400, aina?
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season tix bro. The point to all this...true point guard. Tony Miller, Junior, DJames...true/played nothing but the 1. Not a guy that played 1, played 2. Diener played a lot of 1. Played some 2. I’d have to ask if you watched him, attended his games...at any level?
So your definition of "true" point guard is different than anyone else's. That they *never* played off the ball. Which is a strange definition because that makes them less versitile. I would rather have Diener on the floor than Junior. Not even a question. In the last two decades of Marquette basketball, Travis Diener is the best PG we have had by a long shot. Not even close.
But that doesn't meet your definition of a "true" point guard? Well...OK then.
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Only because it's the first thing we have seen or heard in awhile on Carton...Steve Prohm unfollowed him on twitter.
Let me echo guru that I really do appreciate these updates. Kudos to you putting in the work.
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Only because it's the first thing we have seen or heard in awhile on Carton...Steve Prohm unfollowed him on twitter.
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/JubilantCheapAnkolewatusi-max-1mb.gif)
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From an Iowa State insider...
I'm now completely clueless on Turner. Just heard from somebody that it'll be Marquette. All of the national guys seem to think Missouri.
I will be surprised if it's Iowa State ... Not shutting the door completley but just keeping it real too.
I do think ISU is probably the leader for DeJulius.
I posted Chris Williams previous update and you said "take with grain of salt" now that he hears new positive for MU intel now its legit? ;D
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Only because it's the first thing we have seen or heard in awhile on Carton...Steve Prohm unfollowed him on twitter.
Wasn't it reported that Carton got off of Twitter after he announced he was transferring? Maybe Prohm just got bored with Carton's Twitter account and is too cool to let his following count creep up with people who don't even use Twitter.
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starting to get excited about Justin Turner being on the squad. Michigan has been kind to Marquette! DeJulius can join the Michigan party too
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Wasn't it reported that Carton got off of Twitter after he announced he was transferring? Maybe Prohm just got bored with Carton's Twitter account and is too cool to let his following count creep up with people who don't even use Twitter.
I'm sure I am following a bunch of people who don't use Twitter much, if at all, any longer. I have no desire to figure out who those people are and go through the effort of unfollowing them.
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Only because it's the first thing we have seen or heard in awhile on Carton...Steve Prohm unfollowed him on twitter.
*straps on tinfoil twitter followers hat*
DJ's mom follows around 85 or so people and has un-followed 10-20 people in 3/4 weeks since DJ announced transfer. Yet she still follows Greg Gard & Wisconsin Basketball twitter accounts, fwiw
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*straps on tinfoil twitter followers hat*
DJ's mom follows around 85 or so people and has un-followed 10-20 people in 3/4 weeks since DJ announced transfer. Yet she still follows Greg Gard & Wisconsin Basketball twitter accounts, fwiw
Gard's hilarious on Twitter.
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Junior wouldn't have made that team better. Junior is remembered fondly because of what was around him, not because of what he himself could do.
Junior was, like Koby, a below average point guard. The two were similar in terms of effectiveness. Junior was a little better finishing in the lane but didn't get to or convert at the line as well. Junior had a slightly better assist rate but couldn't shoot the three nearly as well. Both turned it over about the same, both were low-efficiency guys, both had comparable usage. Koby was a much better defender and rebounder.
Considering that what this team needed was additional scoring options, they likely would have been even worse with Junior, who was never much for scoring the basketball.
barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?year=2012&p=Junior%20Cadougan&t=Marquette
Junior was OK his final year, but beyond that, was not very good.
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barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?year=2012&p=Junior%20Cadougan&t=Marquette
Junior was OK his final year, but beyond that, was not very good.
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I'm sure I am following a bunch of people who don't use Twitter much, if at all, any longer. I have no desire to figure out who those people are and go through the effort of unfollowing them.
I was just kidding.
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Only because it's the first thing we have seen or heard in awhile on Carton...Steve Prohm unfollowed him on twitter.
As has been said by many, thanks for the ongoing updates, guru.
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As has been said by many, thanks for the ongoing updates, guru.
Thanks Pakuni, and everyone else for their thanks. I know sometimes, with all the twitter and IG follows etc, it might be overkill and a lot of people don't care about those things, but I find it fascinating, and you really can gleen info in recruiting from it. I will continue to post anything relevant I see from the world of CBB.
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Yeah, there would certainly be a question. Cadougan was pretty good, but no savior by any stretch.
The other reason it wouldn’t be close to a given is clueless pacing the sidelines.
No revisionist history here. Junior was a step down from some of his MU PG predecessors. But he did handle the ball well and facilitate offense well. Areas i would give koby a 1 in a 1-10 scale. Our offense needed ball movement this year.
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Wasn't it reported that Carton got off of Twitter after he announced he was transferring? Maybe Prohm just got bored with Carton's Twitter account and is too cool to let his following count creep up with people who don't even use Twitter.
Yes-reported by Carton in his last post a few weeks ago
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Junior wouldn't have made that team better. Junior is remembered fondly because of what was around him, not because of what he himself could do.
Junior was, like Koby, a below average point guard. The two were similar in terms of effectiveness. Junior was a little better finishing in the lane but didn't get to or convert at the line as well. Junior had a slightly better assist rate but couldn't shoot the three nearly as well. Both turned it over about the same, both were low-efficiency guys, both had comparable usage. Koby was a much better defender and rebounder.
Considering that what this team needed was additional scoring options, they likely would have been even worse with Junior, who was never much for scoring the basketball.
What the team needed was someone who could move the ball and facilitate offense. Junior despite his faults did this really well. Buzz defended him all the time stating ge was an excellent passer and he was, no 4th row passes from junior. He also could use his handle n size to beat presses single handedly. Koby n pressure was a nightmare
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Gard's hilarious on Twitter.
Because its a verified account that hasn't tweeted once?
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No revisionist history here. Junior was a step down from some of his MU PG predecessors. But he did handle the ball well and facilitate offense well. Areas i would give koby a 1 in a 1-10 scale. Our offense needed ball movement this year.
That's not all on Koby. It wasn't moving at times when he wasn't on the floor.
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...hope so. A lot of folks are high on Turner, but after missing on RJ Davis, Carton is like a second chance at a top level 1.
Except davis was a combo if not a 2
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Because its a verified account that hasn't tweeted once?
Gard not saying anything is funnier than when he actually says something.
(I was joking.)
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That's not all on Koby. It wasn't moving at times when he wasn't on the floor.
The ball movement with koby vs Sy was black n white, imo
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I would take Junior over Koby as a point guard. But I would take Koby over Junior as any other position on a basketball court. Unfortunately Koby was playing point guard for us last year.
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The ball movement with koby vs Sy was black n white, imo
Eh... It moved better but not always productively. Both weren't very good.
Assist %: Koby: 21.2, Symir: 25.5
TO %: Koby: 23.2, Symir: 31.1
The best PG Marquette had last year was Markus. Lead the team in assist % at 26.2 and drove his TO% down to 12.6.
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probably the last meaningful update we will get on Burton before he announces today... another follow up post from Brian Snow late last night behind paywall on Xavier board:
As of now, I do NOT think think it will be Xavier. Vibe I get is he is hoping to be eligible right away, and that is not something Xavier wants, and also he wants to be a PG, which is not what his role would be at Xavier. Ultimately I think Texas Tech is the choice, but I do not know for sure.
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Thanks Pakuni, and everyone else for their thanks. I know sometimes, with all the twitter and IG follows etc, it might be overkill and a lot of people don't care about those things, but I find it fascinating, and you really can gleen info in recruiting from it. I will continue to post anything relevant I see from the world of CBB.
The next info we all want to see from you is confirmation that we've landed 3 or 4 of these athletes - ha!
Seriously, even though I like giving you some guff when you go over the top (and you like to give it back), add my name to the list of folks who appreciate the updates.
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Gard not saying anything is funnier than when he actually says something.
(I was joking.)
Haha, i figured it was something along those lines.
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Eh... It moved better but not always productively. Both weren't very good.
Assist %: Koby: 21.2, Symir: 25.5
TO %: Koby: 23.2, Symir: 31.1
The best PG Marquette had last year was Markus. Lead the team in assist % at 26.2 and drove his TO% down to 12.6.
I begged for Marcus at the PG, he had his issues there but i though we were a better team with marcus at the 1 n sac at the 2. Less koby the better
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I would take Junior over Koby as a point guard. But I would take Koby over Junior as any other position on a basketball court. Unfortunately Koby was playing point guard for us last year.
Id agree but like u said. I have no issue with Koby if he can earn time at the 2 or 3 next year.
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Take the Koby talk to the ya know...Koby thread.
This thread is about transfers!! That's why threads have titles.
Any timing indications on when Burton will announce?
I believe Turner is 1pmCT.
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Take the Koby talk to the ya know...Koby thread.
This thread is about transfers!! That's why threads have titles.
Any timing indications on when Burton will announce?
I believe Turner is 1pmCT.
Re Turner:
Turner announcement at 3 pm ET.
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From all the info, looks like:
Burton TT
Turner MU
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Re Turner:
Thanks! 2pmCT it is.
Here are some junior year Justin Turner highlights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XamBBGPsWys (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XamBBGPsWys)
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From all the info, looks like:
Burton TT
Turner MU
Any word on Carton?
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From all the info, looks like:
Burton TT
Turner MU
I'm thinking Turner ends up at the other MU. Hope I'm wrong. It could go either way.
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probably the last meaningful update we will get on Burton before he announces today... another follow up post from Brian Snow late last night behind paywall on Xavier board:
As of now, I do NOT think think it will be Xavier. Vibe I get is he is hoping to be eligible right away, and that is not something Xavier wants, and also he wants to be a PG, which is not what his role would be at Xavier. Ultimately I think Texas Tech is the choice, but I do not know for sure.
This is interesting...Using deductive reasoning..according to this..X is out, I still say he's not going to Seton Hall, as they only have one scholly left. He wants to play PG..that may well eliminate Texas Tech. Why?? Well for one thing as of this moment they don't even have a scholarship available(you never know if that scares kids off) and he wants to be eligible this year..From what I gather what little chatter there has been about him on the Texas Tech board, they thought Beard would want him to sit out this year and then it would be his show. They have their PG for this year.
He could come in and play PG right away for MU. I also think it's interesting in that shortly after he came out with his announcement times, the MU twitter follows came flowing in...Including from Todd Smith and Allison Kellaher. The interesting one that came in yesterday was Potrykus. That one definitely made me go...hmmm
This may not be as slam dunk for TT as people think.
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Last time Louisville came out of nowhere for a recruit the kid's name was Brian Bowen.
Hmm.
LOL. That is a very interesting point you make.
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This is interesting...Using deductive reasoning..according to this..X is out, I still say he's not going to Seton Hall, as they only have one scholly left. He wants to play PG..that may well eliminate Texas Tech. Why?? Well for one thing as of this moment they don't even have a scholarship available(you never know if that scares kids off) and he wants to be eligible this year..From what I gather what little chatter there has been about him on the Texas Tech board, they thought Beard would want him to sit out this year and then it would be his show. They have their PG for this year.
He could come in and play PG right away for MU. I also think it's interesting in that shortly after he came out with his announcement times, the MU twitter follows came flowing in...Including from Todd Smith and Allison Kellaher. The interesting one that came in yesterday was Potrykus. That one definitely made me go...hmmm
This may not be as slam dunk for TT as people think.
I know we make fun of this kind of thinking, but maybe Wojo has a couple in the bag and has cooled on Burton.
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I know we make fun of this kind of thinking, but maybe Wojo has a couple in the bag and has cooled on Burton.
Don't think that hasn't crossed my mind..several times. I found the timing of the Prohm unfollow of Carton extremely interesting..
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Any word on Carton?
Extremely eerily quiet, know more bout Mane lol
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Turner and Burton (assuming for a second Burton gets a waiver), would coexist just fine right? Seem like completely different players to me. From watching the limited tape of Turner there is - he seems like much more of SG/wing than an option at PG.
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Turner and Burton (assuming for a second Burton gets a waiver), would coexist just fine right? Seem like completely different players to me. From watching the limited tape of Turner there is - he seems like much more of SG/wing than an option at PG.
They would coexist just fine. Carton would be the one that would interfere with Burton. If Burton wants to play right away (and I haven't seen anything that would suggest a case for a waiver) then I'm not sure any of his finalists would be thrilled about that. I think all of them are hoping for him to sit out a year and take over in 21-22.
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Turner and Burton (assuming for a second Burton gets a waiver), would coexist just fine right? Seem like completely different players to me. From watching the limited tape of Turner there is - he seems like much more of SG/wing than an option at PG.
Yes, they would be fine together...Turner can and has played some PG, but is mostly a wing/SG
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Yes, they would be fine together...Turner can and has played some PG, but is mostly a wing/SG
Burton & Turner today would be a hell of a day for Wojo
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They would coexist just fine. Carton would be the one that would interfere with Burton. If Burton wants to play right away (and I haven't seen anything that would suggest a case for a waiver) then I'm not sure any of his finalists would be thrilled about that. I think all of them are hoping for him to sit out a year and take over in 21-22.
Given the number of transfers out of Wichita State, I bet there is a case for a waiver
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Id agree but like u said. I have no issue with Koby if he can earn time at the 2 or 3 next year.
MU will go with more height at the 3 than Kolby offers almost all of the time next year. Wojo’s getting on board with the emphasis on height and especially length on the court. Just look at the freshmen he got and the freshman guard he’s still after (Mane).
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MU will go with more height at the 3 than Kolby offers almost all of the time next year. Wojo’s getting on board with the emphasis on height and especially length on the court. Just look at the freshmen he got and the freshman guard he’s still after (Mane).
“If he can earn the time”
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They would coexist just fine. Carton would be the one that would interfere with Burton. If Burton wants to play right away (and I haven't seen anything that would suggest a case for a waiver) then I'm not sure any of his finalists would be thrilled about that. I think all of them are hoping for him to sit out a year and take over in 21-22.
Remember though...it SOUNDS like the transfer rule and not having to sit out will pass in May
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My predictions:
Turner to Marquette
Carton/Dejulius: one to Marquette and the other to Iowa State, with Carton being the first domino to fall
Burton: Texas Tech
No inside info, just my hunches.
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Given the number of transfers out of Wichita State, I bet there is a case for a waiver
I think its probably a 50/50 shot that the NCAA gives a blanket waiver to all transfers this season considering the circumstances.
They would coexist just fine. Carton would be the one that would interfere with Burton. If Burton wants to play right away (and I haven't seen anything that would suggest a case for a waiver) then I'm not sure any of his finalists would be thrilled about that. I think all of them are hoping for him to sit out a year and take over in 21-22.
For sure. Based on the lack of info we have (surely have to assume the staff has more) on Carton, definitely take Burton if you can get him and worry about Carton later.
I've talked myself into the chance we can get Turner, Burton and Carton, even though I know its not going to happen. Carton should be natural waiver candidate - Turner and Carton this year. Carton (if he doesn't go pro) and Burton taking over the backcourt in 21-22 along with Sy after Turner and Koby graduate.
A guy can dream. Realistically, we'll have a lot more clarity in a few hours. If I had to choose between Turner and Burton, give me Turner today and then let's land Carton down the road and we have ourselves something cooking.
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“If he can earn the time”
You miss my point. He ain’t growing several inches over the summer.
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I think its probably a 50/50 shot that the NCAA gives a blanket waiver to all transfers this season considering the circumstances.
For sure. Based on the lack of info we have (surely have to assume the staff has more) on Carton, definitely take Burton if you can get him and worry about Carton later.
I've talked myself into the chance we can get Turner, Burton and Carton, even though I know its not going to happen. Carton should be natural waiver candidate - Turner and Carton this year. Carton (if he doesn't go pro) and Burton taking over the backcourt in 21-22 along with Sy after Turner and Koby graduate.
A guy can dream. Realistically, we'll have a lot more clarity in a few hours. If I had to choose between Turner and Burton, give me Turner today and then let's land Carton down the road and we have ourselves something cooking.
Burton might be the toughest pull of the 3, but honestly I don't think it's as unrealistic as many think it is. I agree, Turner today, Carton later and let's go! But still going to be greedy and want Burton too. :D
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Burton might be the toughest pull of the 3, but honestly I don't think it's as unrealistic as many think it is. I agree, Turner today, Carton later and let's go! But still going to be greedy and want Burton too. :D
I think MU is going to end up in good shape after the transfers all make their decisions, but I think we're going to have to wait a few days longer. My guess is Carton and DeJulius.
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Burton might be the toughest pull of the 3, but honestly I don't think it's as unrealistic as many think it is. I agree, Turner today, Carton later and let's go! But still going to be greedy and want Burton too. :D
Wanting is one thing. But acting like it is some major program let down and coaching failure if Wojo only lands 1 of Turner/Burton/Carton is another. Just keep that in mind, Guru. ;)
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Todd Smith just started following turner on Twitter...I repeat, this is NOT a drill, Todd Smith just started following Turner on Twitter.
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Remember though...it SOUNDS like the transfer rule and not having to sit out will pass in May
Yes, but what is less clear is when it will go into effect. The reporting has been that it would be implemented during the 2020-21 season, but whether that means retroactively for kids who've already entered the portal - as opposed to those who do so once the 2020-21 year begins - remains to be seen.
I'm guessing it won't be applied retroactively across the board, but the NCAA will be very generous with waiver requests.
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Todd Smith just started following turner on Twitter...I repeat, this is NOT a drill, Todd Smith just started following Turner on Twitter.
He's also following Burton.
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What time is Burton announcing?
I saw Turner at 2 PM CT.
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Todd Smith just started following turner on Twitter...I repeat, this is NOT a drill, Todd Smith just started following Turner on Twitter.
I mean...all this twitter following could just be as simple as the kid is announcing his decision in 2 hours and the support staff has been giving him a twitter follow the past few days.
Chances are Wojo probably knows where he's going - but maybe Turner truly hasn't told anyone but family to this point. I don't really read into the twitter follows as anything quite yet.
He's also following Burton.
Exactly. I am sure part of the recruiting pitch was zoom chats with support staff like Todd, Allison, etc., etc., and a simple twitter follow after those conversations is not really that earthshattering IMO.
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Todd Smith just started following turner on Twitter...I repeat, this is NOT a drill, Todd Smith just started following Turner on Twitter.
He follows pretty much everyone MU is recruiting. He also follows Holmes and Warley.
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I mean...all this twitter following could just be as simple as the kid is announcing his decision in 2 hours and the support staff has been giving him a twitter follow the past few days.
Chances are Wojo probably knows where he's going - but maybe Turner truly hasn't told anyone but family to this point. I don't really read into the twitter follows as anything quite yet.
Exactly. I am sure part of the recruiting pitch was zoom chats with support staff like Todd, Allison, etc., etc., and a simple twitter follow after those conversations is not really that earthshattering IMO.
Here's the thing though...It's one thing for Coaches to follow players, but when support staff does, it's totally different. For real, when I saw Allison Kellaher following Dawson Garcia, that pretty much told me that he was coming to MU. Support staff does not typically follow recruits without their being a very good reason.
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Where is Real Chili? Locked in the bunker already? ;D
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Here's the thing though...It's one thing for Coaches to follow players, but when support staff does, it's totally different. For real, when I saw Allison Kellaher following Dawson Garcia, that pretty much told me that he was coming to MU. Support staff does not typically follow recruits without their being a very good reason.
Yah...gonna disagree with you there. Support staff follows guys that are being recruited. Again - I appreciate the info, as do others. But I don't think it means a whole lot.
We'll find out more in a couple hours. Fingers crossed on Turner.
What time is Burton announcing?
I saw Turner at 2 PM CT.
I don't think he's said a time.
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Remember though...it SOUNDS like the transfer rule and not having to sit out will pass in May
Looks like there's a decision coming but the guy leading it has no idea if it will pass or not.
https://watchstadium.com/no-decision-made-yet-on-ncaas-one-time-transfer-waiver-04-08-2020/
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I don’t follow any of these guys on twitter or Instagram fyi
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I don’t follow any of these guys on twitter or Instagram fyi
Crap. They are both going elsewhere.
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He follows pretty much everyone MU is recruiting. He also follows Holmes and Warley.
This is 100% incorrect..I know for a FACT(from someone that would know), when he starts following someone it's meaningful, especially this close to an announcement.
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Looks like Burton is announcing at 1
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Burton prediction: Texas Tech
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Might be a dumb question but do you think any of these guys are announcing live or just making an instagram/twitter announcement with the team logo?
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This is 100% incorrect..I know for a FACT(from someone that would know), when he starts following someone it's meaningful, especially this close to an announcement.
I'm not saying it's not meaningful in this case. I truly have no idea. But just scroll through Todd's follows. I just scrolled through the first 100 or so and he's following Holmes and Warley, both kids MU is recruiting but no indication they are anywhere near a decision.
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Might be a dumb question but do you think any of these guys are announcing live or just making an instagram/twitter announcement with the team logo?
I know I saw Turner was going to announce his via instagram
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I'm not saying it's not meaningful in this case. I truly have no idea. But just scroll through Todd's follows. I just scrolled through the first 100 or so and he's following Holmes and Warley, both kids MU is recruiting but no indication they are anywhere near a decision.
I know, I saw that...but how do we know they aren't close to decisions?? Just because we don't hear it doesn't mean anything.
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I know I saw Turner was going to announce his via instagram
Thanks. He is a pretty dynamic player. Definitely seems like he would be the go-to scorer immediately and can create his own shot from anywhere. His highlight reel showed no passes. Wonder if he can distribute a bit too? Stats would indicate he's decent.
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Burton to TTU
https://twitter.com/Moneymaker441/status/1249756906077519872
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Crap. They are both going elsewhere.
I only follow babes with giant racks, so I’m probably not helpful on the matter
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I only follow babes with giant racks, so I’m probably not helpful on the matter
Think you can transfer some of them my way?
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Burton to TTU
https://twitter.com/Moneymaker441/status/1249756906077519872
Interesting to listen to his decision-making process/criteria. Would have been great to land him but seems to be good reason for optimism around Turner and/or Carton, DeJulius. Hopefully we can land two of these three.
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Gimme Turner.
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Gimme Turner.
Agree. Even just Turner would be nice but get 2 of the 3 then we are set.
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I know I saw Turner was going to announce his via instagram
What is Turner's instagram handle?
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What is Turner's instagram handle?
Justinturner1_
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Also, there goes the Todd Smith Twitter follows = high likelihood of committing to Marquette theory.
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What is Turner's instagram handle?
https://www.instagram.com/justinturner1_/?hl=en
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Justinturner1_
https://www.instagram.com/justinturner1_/?hl=en
Thanks.
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Got Butterflies and Goosebumps as Al used to say
Time to get in the bunker
We get 2 time to streak the park which is an unpleasant site but about the only place you can go these days
We get one celebrate good times
We get zero get a bottle drink pass out and forget about it as Al used to say
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I still think Turner goes to Mizzou, but MU is/was at least seriously in the running here. Burton was always a longshot.
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I only follow babes with giant racks, so I’m probably not helpful on the matter
You may be helpful with DJ Carton though, because that seems to be all he follows on Instagram too.
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Gimme Turner.
Yup..he's the one that matters most from today..also means they will likely land Carton or DeJulius
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I still think Turner goes to Mizzou, but MU is/was at least seriously in the running here. Burton was always a longshot.
Boo this person.
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I still think Turner goes to Mizzou, but MU is/was at least seriously in the running here. Burton was always a longshot.
Why exactly was Burton a long shot?
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I don't really understand why Turner would go to Mizzou. They've been the tournament once in the last 7 years and are 39-87 in a crapty conference over that time. Not exactly sure how that would be a good move for him. Iowa State is at least relevant.
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You may be helpful with DJ Carton though, because that seems to be all he follows on Instagram too.
That’s why he’s my number one wish
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Why exactly was Burton a long shot?
I'll rephrase.
Based on what I've heard about the four transfers MU has been mentioned with, Burton always was the least likely to commit.
In order of likelihood I'd heard:
1. DeJulius
2. Carton
3. Turner
4. Burton
With a big gap between 3 and 4.
I'm not sure what to think on Turner. Most of the chatter has been towards Missouri so I'm leaning that way, but I wouldn't be surprised if he picked Marquette.
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I'll rephrase.
Based on what I've heard about the four transfers MU has been mentioned with, Burton always was the least likely to commit.
In order of likelihood I'd heard:
1. DeJulius
2. Carton
3. Turner
4. Burton
With a big gap between 3 and 4.
I'm not sure what to think on Turner. Most of the chatter has been towards Missouri so I'm leaning that way, but I wouldn't be surprised if he picked Marquette.
That's fair. Thanks for explaining. I know you had mentioned that previously in this thread. Based on the info we had (albeit a lot of it coming from a very biased source), it seemed Marquette was right there with TT. I personally wouldn't deem it a "long shot", but it what it is now.
Turner + Carton is my wish list at this point. Fine with other saving the last spot for Mane, even if that is a long shot, and then pivoting to a last minute transfer if need be.
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Remember though...it SOUNDS like the transfer rule and not having to sit out will pass in May
.... and start Summer 21
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Too bad visits are a no-go. TT ISU can’t compete with MU re:facilities. Fiserv would shine.
Fingers crossed for Turner and Carton.
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Jordan McCabe transferring
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Jordan McCabe transferring
Regressed from freshman year to soph year, when he got significantly less PT.
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Jordan McCabe transferring
He deleted tweet did he repost?
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Jordan McCabe transferring
Shocking he didn't work with Bob Huggins as his coach...
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Regressed from freshman year to soph year, when he got significantly less PT.
Season highs of 10 pts and 4 assists on a 3/1/1.5 average, yeesh. I'm sure UWM, GB, or UIC/NIU would be happy to have him if he wants to play closer to home. Doubt he'd be of interest to a P6 or A10/MVC/AAC level school
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When is turner committing I keep refreshing
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Sh*t
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When is turner committing I keep refreshing
Staying at Bowling Green
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Lmao - land Carton or we're depaul next year
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LOL
So, who else is Todd Smith following?
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What in the world
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Going back to Bowling Green?
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WTF
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Holy ****. What a bizarre decision
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Did not expect that one. Hope we get Carton still. Read somewhere he will only transfer if he gets a waiver. If he doesn’t, he is going pro.
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Now that's how you troll a bunch of grown ass men.
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Lol staying put
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Oh well. Good luck to him.
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Well that’s f’d up.
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Welp. That's fu**ing stupid.
Someone check on Guru.
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Hopefully not Wojo on Monday
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and here is the pitch......SWING AND A MISS
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Staying at Bowling Green
lol. OK. Hopefully he liked all the attention the past few weeks.
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LOL
So, who else is Todd Smith following?
No kidding. That aged about as poorly as most Guru posts.
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and here is the pitch......SWING AND A MISS
Congrats. You beat Doc to the celebration.
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Interesting choice. Wonder if Turner didn't feel comfortable moving on without visiting other schools.
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No kidding. That aged about as poorly as most Guru posts.
I just...I don't even know what to say...all of that to unnatural carnal knowledgeing stay at Bowling Green. Really?? What a sh*t day. As someone said, better land Carton or MU is DePaul next year.
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Weirdly, not nearly as disappointed as I would have been were he to go to Mizzou.
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Staying at BGSU is probably his best chance at playing in the NCAA tournament next season.
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When does DeJulius commit?
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Going back to Bowling Green?
good for him. Showing loyalty to those who believed in him when others did not. An honorable young man.
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Is Jonah Antonio still available? Wouldn’t hold your breath MU gets any impact transfer at this point.
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good for him. Showing loyalty to those who believed in him when others did not. An honorable young man.
Lol good stuff Cheeks.
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Carton + DeJulius + Mane best case scenario at this point. Still a pretty good outcome, but obviously a long shot.
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Carton + DeJulius + Mane best case scenario at this point. Still a pretty good outcome, but obviously a long shot.
That would be a fantastic outcome.
But 0 chance it happens.
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Carton + DeJulius + Mane best case scenario at this point. Still a pretty good outcome, but obviously a long shot.
Stop it
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Stop it
I said it was a long shot and a best case scenario. I didn't say it was happening.
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DeJulius would still be a fantastic addition.
or pray Mane or Carton come
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I said it was a long shot and a best case scenario. I didn't say it was happening.
That's creating a logjam if they got all three. MU will be lucky to get any of them. But there's no way they get both point guards to transfer. Beggers can't be choosers. MU really needs another guard. Any of them will be a welcome addition.
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When is DDJ announcing?
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DeJulius would still be a fantastic addition.
or pray Mane or Carton come
Getting one of those players would be a great get and worth celebrating over. I’m not sure why all of the sudden people think we are going to be landing a fantasy team full of top transfers all of the sudden.
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That's creating a logjam if they got all three. MU will be lucky to get any of them. But there's no way they get both point guards to transfer. Beggers can't be choosers. MU really needs another guard. Any of them will be a welcome addition.
Probably. But I'd rather create a logjam with good players than not have good players, or burn scholarships. If Mane and Carton are as good as they think they are, they won't be on the team when DeJulius is ready to play.
But yah...why I said its a long shot.
Welp. Back to not posting on scoop until something interesting develops again.
Stay safe, folks.
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I think people are sleeping on DeJulius. He’s not the scorer Turner is but a guy that can distribute and run an offense would be nice.
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So, I think the takeaway here is all the social media tracking is grasping at straws. At best.
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What a sh*t day.
I'm home with my wife. We took the dog for a long walk on a lovely Charlotte day. FaceTimed with our grand-twins, who are so effen cute (as well as healthy and happy). And I heard about 2 hours ago that the only person I know infected with COVID-19 is off the ventilator, out of the ICU and has a good prognosis.
I wish my favorite basketball team had been improved by an incoming transfer or two, especially after my hopes were raised by various Scoop reports, but it's been a pretty darn good day nonetheless.
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So, I think the takeaway here is all the social media tracking is grasping at straws. At best.
Tis’
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I think people are sleeping on DeJulius. He’s not the scorer Turner is but a guy that can distribute and run an offense would be nice.
They NEED at least one impact Guard for next year or they aren't sniffing the tournament IMO. DeJulius, though solid...that's all he is..not a huge impact guy the way Carton, Turner or Burton would have been
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Now that's how you troll a bunch of grown ass men.
Or how you get a ton of attention for your "search" and then not risk proving yourself on a big stage to continue scoring 20 PPG on mediocre opponents.
Turning down the chance to be the man on a potential tournament at a place like Marquette or Iowa St to return to a 150+ NET team that wont sniff a MAC title, much less a tournament berth. Good luck to you man, on the ugliest college campus Ive had the misfortune of visiting.
Staying at BGSU is probably his best chance at playing in the NCAA tournament next season.
They will be lucky to finish 3rd in the MAC East. Akron is Akron, has the best coach in the conference, and returns the conference POY. Buffalo returns 3 of their 4 top scorers and has the best younger talent in the conference.
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Turner's decision HAD to be a last minute change of heart..had to be. No way he went through all of that and then decided 3 days ago to stay at BG. Maybe not being able to make visits made him uncomfortable. I will say though, as much of a kick to the nuts as this is, I can respect his decision to stay somewhere he knows and is comfortable over picking like Missouri over MU. That one would have been absolutely BAFFLING to me.
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What a bizarre process!
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Turner's decision HAD to be a last minute change of heart..had to be. No way he went through all of that and then decided 3 days ago to stay at BG. Maybe not being able to make visits made him uncomfortable. I will say though, as much of a kick to the nuts as this is, I can respect his decision to stay somewhere he knows and is comfortable over picking like Missouri over MU. That one would have been absolutely BAFFLING to me.
or he is a college kid who likes the attention.
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They NEED at least one impact Guard for next year or they aren't sniffing the tournament IMO. DeJulius, though solid...that's all he is..not a huge impact guy the way Carton, Turner or Burton would have been
FWIW, they’re all roughly the same 3-point shooters and DeJulius was a more efficient player, albeit in a lesser roll but in a much tougher league. Don’t sleep on a Beilein guard.
Turner or Burton would have been nice, DeJulius could be just as nice
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I think people are sleeping on DeJulius. He’s not the scorer Turner is but a guy that can distribute and run an offense would be nice.
that’s always been my point...point guard, and Carton is the big prize.
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I thought it was pretty lame that Turner had Bowling Green in his final four. With immediate eligibility on the horizon, this is something I would like to see not become a trend.
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Here’s the thing-
I know it’s easier to say this in hindsight and it really sucks to lose out on Turner especially, but it’s not like MU is completely lacking back court players next season.
You read enough of these threads and you start to think that. Sure we are losing nearly 40ppg and we need to somehow fill that gap (which is why Turner woulda been great) but MU already has a very strong wealth of front court options- Bailey, Cain, Garcia, Oso, JLew, Theo. These guys will fill in some of that scoring void.
As for the backcourt, MU still has Symir (top 75 recruit), Koby, Greg, Dexter.
A wealth of unknowns there and the fans, as well as coaching staff, would like to add 1-2 guys but it’s not like the narrative that’s been created here where Marquette needs 3 stud guards still.
One stud PG/SG/Combo guard would suffice, and well as one additional player for depth. Seems like Wojo and Co are reaching out to a lot of different guys and Turner, one of the higher rated guys available, woulda been perfect fill in for one season but oh well.
Carton or Mane alone would be amazing, even though I don’t really have the confidence MU gets either at this point.
Imo DeJulius would be just ok, but good enough. I say that because looking at his game log he had one game where he went off for 20 points (last game of the season) otherwise he’s an under 5ppg player. He’s also small at 6’ and wojo has been trying to get bigger guards. I know he played at Michigan and had a better PG ahead of him I just don’t know that he’s much better than what we already have with Sy.
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I thought it was pretty lame that Turner had Bowling Green in his final four. With immediate eligibility on the horizon, this is something I would like to see not become a trend.
He was a grad transfer so....
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Or how you get a ton of attention for your "search" and then not risk proving yourself on a big stage to continue scoring 20 PPG on mediocre opponents.
Turning down the chance to be the man on a potential tournament at a place like Marquette or Iowa St to return to a 150+ NET team that wont sniff a MAC title, much less a tournament berth. Good luck to you man, on the ugliest college campus Ive had the misfortune of visiting.
They will be lucky to finish 3rd in the MAC East. Akron is Akron, has the best coach in the conference, and returns the conference POY. Buffalo returns 3 of their 4 top scorers and has the best younger talent in the conference.
That's what I don't get...Kid has never had a chance to play in the NCAA tournament..and the ONLY way he's doing that at BG is if they win the auto bid..that's a huge gamble. Man, why does crap like this always have to happen to MU?? Why?? It's so frustrating.
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Here’s the thing-
I know it’s easier to say this in hindsight and it really sucks to lose out on Turner especially, but it’s not like MU is completely lacking back court players next season.
You read enough of these threads and you start to think that. Sure we are losing nearly 40ppg and we need to somehow fill that gap (which is why Turner woulda been great) but MU already has a very strong wealth of front court options- Bailey, Cain, Garcia, Oso, JLew, Theo. These guys will fill in some of that scoring void.
As for the backcourt, MU still has Symir (top 75 recruit), Koby, Greg, Dexter.
A wealth of unknowns there and the fans, as well as coaching staff, would like to add 1-2 guys but it’s not like the narrative that’s been created here where Marquette needs 3 stud guards still.
One stud PG/SG/Combo guard would suffice, and well as one additional player for depth. Seems like Wojo and Co are reaching out to a lot of different guys and Turner, one of the higher rated guys available, woulda been perfect fill in for one season but oh well.
Carton or Mane alone would be amazing, even though I don’t really have the confidence MU gets either at this point.
Imo DeJulius would be just ok, but good enough. I say that because looking at his game log he had one game where he went off for 20 points (last game of the season) otherwise he’s an under 5ppg player. He’s also small at 6’ and wojo has been trying to get bigger guards. I know he played at Michigan and had a better PG ahead of him I just don’t know that he’s much better than what we already have with Sy.
For me, it’s a matter of added depth. I’d take Carton over all of the guys that have been mentioned but DeJulius gives them a reliable ball handler and while Sy has flashed great court vision, he’s also turned it over a lot, small sample and all
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Wojo unfollowed Turner.....
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That's what I don't get...Kid has never had a chance to play in the NCAA tournament..and the ONLY way he's doing that at BG is if they win the auto bid..that's a huge gamble. Man, why does crap like this always have to happen to MU?? Why?? It's so frustrating.
Didn't happen with Garcia, did it?
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this board will revolt when Jonah Antonio commits
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Didn't happen with Garcia, did it?
No, but this one is baffling...I mean it's not like they were up against Kansas and UNC for him...Without an impact Guard(s) next year, they will be lucky to be on the bubble IMO.
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this board will revolt when Jonah Antonio commits
Yes, yes it will.
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If DeJulius commits, will he be allowed to wear #0?
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Wouldn’t hold your breath MU gets any impact transfer at this point.
Never was.
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If DeJulius commits, will he be allowed to wear #0?
His commitment is on Wednesday we shall see (hope he is not called a cancer)
https://twitter.com/jakeweingarten/status/1249784859305955328?s=21
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His commitment is on Wednesday we shall see (hope he is not called a cancer)
https://twitter.com/jakeweingarten/status/1249784859305955328?s=21
Please Wojo, get Carton wrapped up before this..Not a huge needle mover, especially for next year.
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No, but this one is baffling...I mean it's not like they were up against Kansas and UNC for him...Without an impact Guard(s) next year, they will be lucky to be on the bubble IMO.
Maybe he got cold feet or he knows something we are not sure about. We will see
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Please Wojo, get Carton wrapped up before this..Not a huge needle mover, especially for next year.
DeJulius won't impact Carton
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Please Wojo, get Carton wrapped up before this..Not a huge needle mover, especially for next year.
Dejulius and Carton could easily co-exist, and I frankly would love to see that back court. That being said, we don't have any idea what Carton is thinking or if we are even in his final schools. Expecting a decision out of him within 2 days without even knowing that is only going to leave you disappointed.
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Loss of Stan already being felt, hey?
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Loss of Stan already being felt, hey?
Wojo shouldn’t have let him take a head coaching job, aina
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Please Wojo, get Carton wrapped up before this..Not a huge needle mover, especially for next year.
DeJulius would improve MU from #78 to #68 on T-Rank.
Carton would improve MU from #78 to #53.
Not sure how to add two players but if I can figure it out I'll edit.
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Eh... It moved better but not always productively. Both weren't very good.
Assist %: Koby: 21.2, Symir: 25.5
TO %: Koby: 23.2, Symir: 31.1
The best PG Marquette had last year was Markus. Lead the team in assist % at 26.2 and drove his TO% down to 12.6.
Which is pretty amazing, since he could not pass it to himself.
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Man, why does crap like this always have to happen to MU?? Why??
1. The victim card does not suit you well, guru.
2. And it doesn't always happen to Marquette. We landed three talented recruits just a few months ago, including one you called a "program-changer." We landed the Hausers, and Markus, and Katin, and Ellenson, and so on and so on, all the way back to Wade, and before him, too. You're just feeling burned, so you're taking it personally.
3. I'm guessing plenty of Mizzou fans are bemoaning their fate, too. And they even have the coach many Scoopers wanted us to get.
4. Tomorrow's another day. We're still in the mix for at least two talented transfer guards.
5. I'm worried about your mental health.
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At least the bunker is sanitized.
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Another factor that may of hurt MU with Turner, was that we are still recruiting Carton and Mane. Either of these players could of taken playing time away from Turner. Without being able to visit and know who MU was going to have at guard next season could of made Turner very uncomfortable with picking MU.
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Don't be so certain that the NCAA grants immediate eligibility for next season. All indications it will be for the 21 -22 season. They won't decide in May. The last thing college coaches want is to have a wild west atmosphere through the end of May and June. They rather be working on next year's recruits. Not re-recruiting their players or chasing other players to fill holes of players that have left.
There is an academic component. No one knows what grades will look like with campuses closed. Some classes may turn to pass/fail. That impacts if credits get transferred. What about Summer classes? Will there be one, two or no sessions? Basketball players need these classes because they play across two semesters and hard to carry 5 courses and play D1 basketball.
Finally kids that are not grad transfers but are in the portal. Are they grandfathered in or still have to sit a year? Kids make choices in the roster. What if a transfer comes to a team with a stud at PG who happens to be a senior. He'll sit out a year then take over. Immediate eligibility kills that. The kid would then have to red shirt (even though he was prepared to sit a year already). Does he move on since previously he would sit a year regardless but now doesn't?
Way too many questions and issues for it to happen next year.
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Don't be so certain that the NCAA grants immediate eligibility for next season. All indications it will be for the 21 -22 season. They won't decide in May. The last thing college coaches want is to have a wild west atmosphere through the end of May and June. They rather be working on next year's recruits. Not re-recruiting their players or chasing other players to fill holes of players that have left.
There is an academic component. No one knows what grades will look like with campuses closed. Some classes may turn to pass/fail. That impacts if credits get transferred. What about Summer classes? Will there be one, two or no sessions? Basketball players need these classes because they play across two semesters and hard to carry 5 courses and play D1 basketball.
Finally kids that are not grad transfers but are in the portal. Are they grandfathered in or still have to sit a year? Kids make choices in the roster. What if a transfer comes to a team with a stud at PG who happens to be a senior. He'll sit out a year then take over. Immediate eligibility kills that. The kid would then have to red shirt (even though he was prepared to sit a year already). Does he move on since previously he would sit a year regardless but now doesn't?
Way too many questions and issues for it to happen next year.
Carton is a natural waiver candidate regardless of the one-time immediate eligibility ruling. I see little reason to expect that from Dejulius unless the ncaa institutes a blanket waiver.
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Carton is a natural waiver candidate regardless of the one-time immediate eligibility ruling.
That's if he wants one. He is dealing with a serious issue and may want a year to sort it out. It was serious enough he left Ohio State abruptly. A change of scenery may help but may not solve his issue. Lots of respect for how he is handling this and doesn't need people looking at him a some sort of season savior.
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That's if he wants one. He is dealing with a serious issue and may want a year to sort it out. It was serious enough he left Ohio State abruptly. A change of scenery may help but may not solve his issue. Lots of respect for how he is handling this and doesn't need people looking at him a some sort of season savior.
There hasn't been a ton of chatter about Carton publicly, but someone just earlier today said that Carton will just play professionally if he can't get a waiver to play immediately. So me thinks he wants one unless that info is bad (which is possible).
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That's if he wants one. He is dealing with a serious issue and may want a year to sort it out. It was serious enough he left Ohio State abruptly. A change of scenery may help but may not solve his issue. Lots of respect for how he is handling this and doesn't need people looking at him a some sort of season savior.
This is well said. He left social media because of fan abuse. He needs to find a comfortable spot with realistic expectations
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Season highs of 10 pts and 4 assists on a 3/1/1.5 average, yeesh. I'm sure UWM, GB, or UIC/NIU would be happy to have him if he wants to play closer to home. Doubt he'd be of interest to a P6 or A10/MVC/AAC level school
McCabe's shooting percentages were ridiculously awful this past season, too. Huggy still started him a lot, even though he'd end up sub-10 minutes most nights. Seemed like they were trying to get him to shoot his way out of his funk, and it just never happened. Like you said, he's best suited for a Horizon-level school.
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DeJulius would improve MU from #78 to #68 on T-Rank.
Carton would improve MU from #78 to #53.
Not sure how to add two players but if I can figure it out I'll edit.
https://twitter.com/totally_t_bomb/status/1242104783244328960?s=20
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speaking of NCAA bids and games won -- how many of each did Jack Nagle attain?
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Carton is a natural waiver candidate regardless of the one-time immediate eligibility ruling. I see little reason to expect that from Dejulius unless the ncaa institutes a blanket waiver.
why?
In fact, every transfer is a candidate but it doesn't mean they meet the threshold to be granted a waiver.
He also needs to decide where he's going so that school can do the waiver. It isn't OSU's responsibility. He needs to show why the particular school he picked will solve his "issues" he had at OSU over any other school.
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At least the bunker is sanitized.
Depends who was in it.
And if he was wearing Depends.
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McCabe's shooting percentages were ridiculously awful this past season, too. Huggy still started him a lot, even though he'd end up sub-10 minutes most nights. Seemed like they were trying to get him to shoot his way out of his funk, and it just never happened. Like you said, he's best suited for a Horizon-level school.
Agree. Not sure what the family’s financial situation is but could see him opting for one of those BS “preferred walkon” spots on the badgers or something.
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1. The victim card does not suit you well, guru.
2. And it doesn't always happen to Marquette. We landed three talented recruits just a few months ago, including one you called a "program-changer." We landed the Hausers, and Markus, and Katin, and Ellenson, and so on and so on, all the way back to Wade, and before him, too. You're just feeling burned, so you're taking it personally.
3. I'm guessing plenty of Mizzou fans are bemoaning their fate, too. And they even have the coach many Scoopers wanted us to get.
4. Tomorrow's another day. We're still in the mix for at least two talented transfer guards.
5. I'm worried about your mental health.
I'm sure this response will be met with scorn, and snide remarks by many, and frankly that's okay, I get it. For me though, I always ask myself why""?? Why can't MU have just ONE season where everything comes together. What I mean is, a season where everything falls into place almost perfectly. A season in which they land all the top recruits they are after, the top transfers they are after(this doesn't mean necessarily the best one's on the market), a season where there are no late season fades, where one or two guys have break out years, where their are no injuries, where players don't transfer, where they get a high seed and make at least the second weekend, where even if it's fluky, it's just "their year".
Now granted, I don't want the program to be like that continuously obviously, but right now after the past 6-7 years, I'd gladly take a season like that...just one time. And it never seems to materialize. Yeah, it's asking for a lot of things to go right, but it's happened to other programs(see, Wisconsin almost every year). It's just really demoralizing that they always seem to get "so close" on different things, and then come up empty, and it always seems to be things that could make a huge difference in an outlook for a season. Can't the basketball gods be nice to MU for ONE damn year?? We all deserve it.
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Damn, big day for MU.
Not so much.
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Not so much.
Big win for you today.
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why?
In fact, every transfer is a candidate but it doesn't mean they meet the threshold to be granted a waiver.
He also needs to decide where he's going so that school can do the waiver. It isn't OSU's responsibility. He needs to show why the particular school he picked will solve his "issues" he had at OSU over any other school.
Lol
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NO Burton, NO Turner. Boy, has our program really SUNK. Former
Wojo backer--Goodbye Wojo. Take the coaching staff with you.
Something in our program is wrong. Mid to Low Major D-1. Bled MU
colors since 1967. Carton and DeJulius? Must be our yearly finishes
have PT spots open and we still can't get recruits. Hope Mane comes.
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NO Burton, NO Turner. Boy, has our program really SUNK. Former
Wojo backer--Goodbye Wojo. Take the coaching staff with you.
Something in our program is wrong. Mid to Low Major D-1. Bled MU
colors since 1967. Carton and DeJulius? Must be our yearly finishes
have PT spots open and we still can't get recruits. Hope Mane comes.
Yeah can’t believe how bad our class of 2020 class is. Minutes and touches available and not able to land a single quality recruit.
::)
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NO Burton, NO Turner. Boy, has our program really SUNK. Former
Wojo backer--Goodbye Wojo. Take the coaching staff with you.
Something in our program is wrong. Mid to Low Major D-1. Bled MU
colors since 1967. Carton and DeJulius? Must be our yearly finishes
have PT spots open and we still can't get recruits. Hope Mane comes.
We have a top 10 recruiting class coming in.
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NO Burton, NO Turner. Boy, has our program really SUNK. Former
Wojo backer--Goodbye Wojo. Take the coaching staff with you.
Something in our program is wrong. Mid to Low Major D-1. Bled MU
colors since 1967. Carton and DeJulius? Must be our yearly finishes
have PT spots open and we still can't get recruits. Hope Mane comes.
Earl, there is still time, wait a few months before you can say that, remember he did get 3 Top 100 kids this year. Really only wanted one of the four, there still
is chance.
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We have a top 10 recruiting class coming in.
We do? 247 has it #16. Rivals at #19.
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DeJulius would improve MU from #78 to #68 on T-Rank.
Carton would improve MU from #78 to #53.
Not sure how to add two players but if I can figure it out I'll edit.
Jonah Antonio would improve MU from #77 to #77 :o
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#1 Today at 2:49 PM .
Might as well start a fresh one for the next target.
Sounds like a Wednesday decision.
Iowa State, Missouri and Cincinnati.
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#3 Today at 2:52 PM .
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Might as well start a fresh one for the next target.
Sounds like a Wednesday decision.
Iowa State, Missouri and Cincinnati.
He was asked...No Marquette?
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#8 Today at 2:59 PM .
Marquette is technically in the mix. I think it'll be one of the three.
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I'm sure this response will be met with scorn, and snide remarks by many, and frankly that's okay, I get it. For me though, I always ask myself why""?? Why can't MU have just ONE season where everything comes together. What I mean is, a season where everything falls into place almost perfectly. A season in which they land all the top recruits they are after, the top transfers they are after(this doesn't mean necessarily the best one's on the market), a season where there are no late season fades, where one or two guys have break out years, where their are no injuries, where players don't transfer, where they get a high seed and make at least the second weekend, where even if it's fluky, it's just "their year".
Now granted, I don't want the program to be like that continuously obviously, but right now after the past 6-7 years, I'd gladly take a season like that...just one time. And it never seems to materialize. Yeah, it's asking for a lot of things to go right, but it's happened to other programs(see, Wisconsin almost every year). It's just really demoralizing that they always seem to get "so close" on different things, and then come up empty, and it always seems to be things that could make a huge difference in an outlook for a season. Can't the basketball gods be nice to MU for ONE damn year?? We all deserve it.
Scorn? I seriously feel sorry for you that you are so consumed by this, and that you take it so hard and so very, very personally.
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Granted we have 3 top players, our backcourt needs help and Burton
and Turner would have been the cream. We have no Markus. Maybe
Dexter will blossom or Mane says MU. Not holding my breath.
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Congrats. You beat Doc to the celebration.
He’s (accurately) reporting what happened. Like most MU fans he’s probably not all that excited/happy about the news. Any celebration is in your very fertile imagination.
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1) Today shows that all these people with guesses of where someone goes is merely that... a guess. Look at how many pegged Turner to Mizzou or Marquette
2) I personally am guessing Cincy is not one of true finalists based on the announcement of DeJulius' decision, but again this is merely a guess.
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#1 Today at 2:49 PM .
Might as well start a fresh one for the next target.
Sounds like a Wednesday decision.
Iowa State, Missouri and Cincinnati.
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Might as well start a fresh one for the next target.
Sounds like a Wednesday decision.
Iowa State, Missouri and Cincinnati.
He was asked...No Marquette?
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#8 Today at 2:59 PM .
Marquette is technically in the mix. I think it'll be one of the three.
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McCabe is not transferring as of right now
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Lol
ever done a waiver request?
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ever done a waiver request?
I’m lol at you using quotes on “issues”.
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ever done a waiver request?
Ever been in a Turkish prison?
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I’m lol at you using quotes on “issues”.
we don't know what the exact issues are, which is why I quoted them. There was a report of "mental health" in taking leave but was there a diagnosis. If that is the case, what was the extent of it? Depression? Anxiety? Homesick? PTSD? Was it what Markus called his "mental health" issues? What was the cause of it? That's one area where waiver requests get rejected; the cause. Didn't that Nick kid from Sun Prairie who Buzz recruited then went AWOL try to use mental health?
Kids allege issues causing transfer or even ineligibility all of the time to try and get a waiver and they end up being denied. The fact is we don't know anything. If there are real issues I hope he gets the waiver and he can overcome them.
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Ever been in a Turkish prison?
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we don't know what the exact issues are, which is why I quoted them. There was a report of "mental health" in taking leave but was there a diagnosis. If that is the case, what was the extent of it? Depression? Anxiety? Homesick? PTSD? Was it what Markus called his "mental health" issues? What was the cause of it? That's one area where waiver requests get rejected; the cause. Didn't that Nick kid from Sun Prairie who Buzz recruited then went AWOL try to use mental health?
Kids allege issues causing transfer or even ineligibility all of the time to try and get a waiver and they end up being denied. The fact is we don't know anything. If there are real issues I hope he gets the waiver and he can overcome them.
Too high and mighty to “creep” on recruits’ social media pages...but have no problem calling those same recruits liars who are, according to you, trying to use mental health issues to their advantage.
Keep it classy Cheeks.
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Sam Hauser liked Goodman’s tweet of Turner going back to Bowling Green.
I am getting drunk.
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Sam Hauser liked Goodman’s tweet of Turner going back to Bowling Green.
I am getting drunk.
And to think, a Marquette alumni paid to keep him and Joey away from UW-Madison and that’s how he repays them
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Sam Hauser liked Goodman’s tweet of Turner going back to Bowling Green.
I am getting drunk.
Sam is Grad Transferring to MU !?!
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It's going to be a long year. :-\
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Turner's decision HAD to be a last minute change of heart..had to be. No way he went through all of that and then decided 3 days ago to stay at BG. Maybe not being able to make visits made him uncomfortable. I will say though, as much of a kick to the nuts as this is, I can respect his decision to stay somewhere he knows and is comfortable over picking like Missouri over MU. That one would have been absolutely BAFFLING to me.
Well...I believe you reported, or someone else here did, that Turner followed Sam Hauser on Twitter or Insta. Burton said he talked with players/former players from the schools he was considering - TTU, XU, Hall, and us - wonder if the "word on the street" hasn't been great?
Disappointing to miss on both these guys. Land Carton and we still land one of the biggest prizes of the transfer portal. The playing time and starring role are WIDE OPEN at MU next season.
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Sam Hauser liked Goodman’s tweet of Turner going back to Bowling Green.
I am getting drunk.
Wow. I hadn't even seen this post when I made my commentary above.
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McCabe is not transferring as of right now
I'd take McCabe if we could get him. He had a decent freshman year at WVU. Kid is a gym rat, and if he can regain his shooting form - think he could be a good enough player for MU - at least the program we are at present.
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I'd take McCabe if we could get him. He had a decent freshman year at WVU. Kid is a gym rat, and if he can regain his shooting form - think he could be a good enough player for MU - at least the program we are at present.
Lol
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I'm home with my wife. We took the dog for a long walk on a lovely Charlotte day. FaceTimed with our grand-twins, who are so effen cute (as well as healthy and happy). And I heard about 2 hours ago that the only person I know infected with COVID-19 is off the ventilator, out of the ICU and has a good prognosis.
I wish my favorite basketball team had been improved by an incoming transfer or two, especially after my hopes were raised by various Scoop reports, but it's been a pretty darn good day nonetheless.
Superbar. This is a transfer thread ;)
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As a refresher for those of us not up to speed, other than Mane, Carton and DeJulius, who are the others that MU is currently kicking the tires on (now that Turner and Burton are no longer in the mix)?
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Todd Smith. He’s either following or being followed...not quite sure.
THIS IS A DRILL!
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As a refresher for those of us not up to speed, other than Mane, Carton and DeJulius, who are the others that MU is currently kicking the tires on (now that Turner and Burton are no longer in the mix)?
T-Rank:
Ohio State transfer DJ Carton improves MU from #77 to #53
Michigan transfer David DeJulius improves MU from #77 to #67
UNLV transfer Jonah Antonio added keeps MU at #77
Southern Miss Gabe Watson drops MU from #77 to #84
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Sorry if I missed it, but what would MU have been if we landed Turner?
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Sorry if I missed it, but what would MU have been if we landed Turner?
improved from #77 to #56 with Justin Turner
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Sorry if I missed it, but what would MU have been if we landed Turner?
A tournament team
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I'm sure this response will be met with scorn, and snide remarks by many, and frankly that's okay, I get it. For me though, I always ask myself why""?? Why can't MU have just ONE season where everything comes together. What I mean is, a season where everything falls into place almost perfectly. A season in which they land all the top recruits they are after, the top transfers they are after(this doesn't mean necessarily the best one's on the market), a season where there are no late season fades, where one or two guys have break out years, where their are no injuries, where players don't transfer, where they get a high seed and make at least the second weekend, where even if it's fluky, it's just "their year".
Now granted, I don't want the program to be like that continuously obviously, but right now after the past 6-7 years, I'd gladly take a season like that...just one time. And it never seems to materialize. Yeah, it's asking for a lot of things to go right, but it's happened to other programs(see, Wisconsin almost every year). It's just really demoralizing that they always seem to get "so close" on different things, and then come up empty, and it always seems to be things that could make a huge difference in an outlook for a season. Can't the basketball gods be nice to MU for ONE damn year?? We all deserve it.
We do deserve it. But we need to create our fortune. Balanced roster can’t be this difficult. We have guards, but no wings/bigs. We have the bigs/wings, no guards. However, Carton is the ticket, and it’s still possible. Mane would be the ticket. It’s still possible. Think big!! No poor us! And, Don’t get down on a kid from a mid-major staying put. Probably not the difference maker everyone hoped for. The sun will shine blue, champion blue and gold soon!
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He’s (accurately) reporting what happened. Like most MU fans he’s probably not all that excited/happy about the news. Any celebration is in your very fertile imagination.
Ah ... so he was "reporting." Just in case anybody missed the dozens of comments before that one, he was giving us the "news" of the two young men not joining our alma mater for their future basketball pursuits.
Rather than suggesting that there was a certain giddiness to his "report," we all should have thanked him for keeping us informed. Understood.
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improved from #77 to #56 with Justin Turner
Thanks
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A tournament team
Not this year.
Just being realistic.
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Yeah can’t believe how bad our class of 2020 class is. Minutes and touches available and not able to land a single quality recruit.
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Our recruits have multiple qualities :)
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T-Rank:
Southern Miss Gabe Watson drops MU from #77 to #84
Subtraction by addition? How is this even possible?
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There hasn't been a ton of chatter about Carton publicly, but someone just earlier today said that Carton will just play professionally if he can't get a waiver to play immediately. So me thinks he wants one unless that info is bad (which is possible).
I am not sure how he is going to get a waiver, if he actually left school. Is he even academically eligible? Did he finish the first semester? Anybody know the answer to this?
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I am not sure how he is going to get a waiver, if he actually left school. Is he even academically eligible? Did he finish the first semester? Anybody know the answer to this?
He played his last game January 26
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T-Rank:
Southern Miss Gabe Watson drops MU from #77 to #84
Subtraction by addition? How is this even possible?
Maybe because Miss Gabe Watson from Southern plays like my Great Aunt Gabe (short for Gabrielle)?
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Not this year.
Just being realistic.
Realistically, there is a chance that there is no tournament for anybody next March.
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He played his last game January 26
Thank you
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Just cause I’m a glutton for punishment, I looked up Bowling Green’s average attendance...2500 fans.
I’m not even focusing on Marquette. You play in the same arena with the best team in the NBA and Giannis, on the road at MSG, 2 other NBA arenas, whatever.
Iowa State averages 14000 a game, you play on the road at Allen Fieldhouse, at Gallagher-Iba Arena, big crowds at TTU and Kansas St. Mizzou plays in front of 10-11K, at Rupp, at a raucous Thompson-Boling in Knoxville, at Florida.
And Turner chose to play in half empty gyms in front of 1000-2000 fans. There was an article last year about how MAC games weren’t even drawing when Buffalo was top 10-15 in the rankings. He will bus to basically all his conference games.
It’s just truly baffling. Honestly, probably for the best, wish him the best in his senior year but this screams not ready for the big stage. Nothing from a basketball standpoint, culturally, experience wise, or progression wise makes sense here.
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Subtraction by addition? How is this even possible?
i laughed at that one. guessing because Southern Miss was 9-22 and ranked 257 last year and he was their 3rd most valuable player
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Lol
Cool. Thanks for yet another lame “contribution” to the board.
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This is well said. He left social media because of fan abuse. He needs to find a comfortable spot with realistic expectations
*opens up random Scoop thread*
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Just cause I’m a glutton for punishment, I looked up Bowling Green’s average attendance...2500 fans.
I’m not even focusing on Marquette. You play in the same arena with the best team in the NBA and Giannis, on the road at MSG, 2 other NBA arenas, whatever.
Iowa State averages 14000 a game, you play on the road at Allen Fieldhouse, at Gallagher-Iba Arena, big crowds at TTU and Kansas St. Mizzou plays in front of 10-11K, at Rupp, at a raucous Thompson-Boling in Knoxville, at Florida.
And Turner chose to play in half empty gyms in front of 1000-2000 fans. There was an article last year about how MAC games weren’t even drawing when Buffalo was top 10-15 in the rankings. He will bus to basically all his conference games.
It’s just truly baffling. Honestly, probably for the best, wish him the best in his senior year but this screams not ready for the big stage. Nothing from a basketball standpoint, culturally, experience wise, or progression wise makes sense here.
I still will believe until I hear differently that for whatever reason he had a late last minute change of heart. This was one of the most baffling decisions I've seen.
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Maybe he just likes it there.
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Realistically, there is a chance that there is no tournament for anybody next March.
If that is the case, we all have bigger issues and should not be on an MU fan board. This economy is going to hell as it is; if we don't restart things soon we could be looking at a decade of recession. I truly am not trying to be a jerk about this, we are in for a brutal future and I take no pleasure in this.
Oh, and if anybody cares, (I doubt they do), Wojo will be getting a pay cut if this happens. He and most basketball and football coaches.
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Just cause I’m a glutton for punishment, I looked up Bowling Green’s average attendance...2500 fans.
I’m not even focusing on Marquette. You play in the same arena with the best team in the NBA and Giannis, on the road at MSG, 2 other NBA arenas, whatever.
Iowa State averages 14000 a game, you play on the road at Allen Fieldhouse, at Gallagher-Iba Arena, big crowds at TTU and Kansas St. Mizzou plays in front of 10-11K, at Rupp, at a raucous Thompson-Boling in Knoxville, at Florida.
And Turner chose to play in half empty gyms in front of 1000-2000 fans. There was an article last year about how MAC games weren’t even drawing when Buffalo was top 10-15 in the rankings. He will bus to basically all his conference games.
It’s just truly baffling. Honestly, probably for the best, wish him the best in his senior year but this screams not ready for the big stage. Nothing from a basketball standpoint, culturally, experience wise, or progression wise makes sense here.
That’s why I’m not disappointed. Maybe he enjoys being a big fish in a little pond.
And maybe he knows he wouldn’t be the top dog with our roster and potential additions.
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i laughed at that one. guessing because Southern Miss was 9-22 and ranked 257 last year and he was their 3rd most valuable player
If he's that bad, he wont get playing time over the current players, so how can our ranking go down?
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Or maybe he wasn’t comfortable changing schools and basketball programs when he can’t visit any of the schools he’s looking at, the only contact he can have with the people he’d be spending his senior year with is through technology, and he might not want to switch schools when there’s a chance he may not even get to play basketball or attend classes in person next year?
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If he's that bad, he wont get playing time over the current players, so how can our ranking go down?
Do you want me to call Bart Torvik or something?
http://www.barttorvik.com/transfercast.php?team=Marquette&run=1&player=Gabe+Watson%3BSouthern+Miss
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T-Rank:
Ohio State transfer DJ Carton improves MU from #77 to #53
Michigan transfer David DeJulius improves MU from #77 to #67
UNLV transfer Jonah Antonio added keeps MU at #77
Southern Miss Gabe Watson drops MU from #77 to #84
Matt Haarms launches us to #48.
Are we involved at all?
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Never mind, we’re not.
How did UNC Greensboro make his final 10?
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We do deserve it. But we need to create our fortune. Balanced roster can’t be this difficult. We have guards, but no wings/bigs. We have the bigs/wings, no guards. However, Carton is the ticket, and it’s still possible. Mane would be the ticket. It’s still possible. Think big!! No poor us! And, Don’t get down on a kid from a mid-major staying put. Probably not the difference maker everyone hoped for. The sun will shine blue, champion blue and gold soon!
What? Garcia, OSO, Lewis, BB
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Not this year.
Just being realistic.
He was asking what MU was WITH Turner...with him they were a tournament team, now...barring a Carton commit, they aren't sniffing the tourney. Sad when you think about it COULD be Garcia's only year at MU too.
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Matt Haarms launches us to #48.
Are we involved at all?
He looks like Kentucky all the way
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He was asking what MU was WITH Turner...with him they were a tournament team, now...barring a Carton commit, theyaren't sbiffing the tourney. Sad when you think about it COULD be Garcia's only year at MU too.
Mane
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Mane
That's simply not going to happen, that ship has pretty much sailed, people need to just accept that unfortunately. It sucks, but here we are.
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There hasn't been a ton of chatter about Carton publicly, but someone just earlier today said that Carton will just play professionally if he can't get a waiver to play immediately. So me thinks he wants one unless that info is bad (which is possible).
Here is the article that I had read this information in. My guess is Carton is going the wavier route if he chooses to stay in school. Ultimate goal will always be 1st round NBA pick for him. https://www.si.com/college/ohiostate/basketball/examining-ohio-states-hoops-transfers-case-by-case (https://www.si.com/college/ohiostate/basketball/examining-ohio-states-hoops-transfers-case-by-case)
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I am not sure how he is going to get a waiver, if he actually left school. Is he even academically eligible? Did he finish the first semester? Anybody know the answer to this?
If Carton is trying to use a medical waiver to play immediately the new, more restrictive NCAA rules implemented last June favor Iowa State’s distant to his home...
Additionally, the council approved new guidelines for staff to follow when considering transfer waivers in cases where a student-athlete transfers to be closer to their home or support system because of their own injury or illness.
In those cases, the school must provide contemporaneous medical documentation from the student-athlete’s treating professional showing the student-athlete is debilitated and was receiving treatment before the transfer; an explanation of the student-athlete’s need to transfer and treatment plan; and a statement from the previous school’s athletics director explaining why the student-athlete indicated he or she was transferring. The student also must be in good academic standing and meeting progress-toward-degree requirements at the new school. The transfer must occur in the academic year after diagnosis, and the new school must be within 100 miles of the student-athlete’s family or support system.
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What? Garcia, OSO, Lewis, BB
ok, Karnak
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He was asking what MU was WITH Turner...with him they were a tournament team, now...barring a Carton commit, they aren't sniffing the tourney. Sad when you think about it COULD be Garcia's only year at MU too.
You keep saying this, and I'm really not very convinced that's anything to be worried about right now. The highest I've seen Garcia anywhere for 2021 is late second round.
https://www.draftsite.com/nba/player/dawson-garcia/35239/
I know he hasn't played a minute of cbb yet and I'm sure he could always go to the G League after one year if he wants to but the 2021 draft is seen as much deeper and better than the 2020 class so I really don't see him going anywhere after next year (as of right now).
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Maybe he just likes it there.
Yep.
Some Scoopers had a similar discussion when talking about kids leaving for the NBA even though they weren't projected as first-rounders -- or as draft picks at all. How it wasn't "logical" for them to leave.
Far too many people try to project what they think what they would do or what they believe it "makes sense" to do into the mind of an 18-22 year-old college student.
Maybe Turner preferred BG all along and wanted to see if anybody could "wow" him into leaving; when no school did, he just decided to stay where he loved playing. Maybe he is smart enough to realize that, if he is good enough, NBA scouts will find him no matter where he plays. Maybe he started thinking about the best friend he'd be leaving behind, or a favorite coach or a significant other. Maybe being happy and comfortable mattered more to him than going someplace he'd never even visited and trying to win a title he might never win. Maybe he didn't want to be treated the way many Scoopers have treated every transfer we've brought in over the last decade. Maybe he started thinking about Wojo's evil de-motivational tactics and backed out. Etc, etc, etc. Nobody here knows.
I know it's hard for some to believe, but maybe 20-year-olds look at what's important to them differently than a bunch of 50-something, 60-something or 70-something interwebs folks think the kid should hold important.
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You keep saying this, and I'm really not very convinced that's anything to be worried about right now. The highest I've seen Garcia anywhere for 2021 is late second round.
https://www.draftsite.com/nba/player/dawson-garcia/35239/
I know he hasn't played a minute of cbb yet and I'm sure he could always go to the G League after one year if he wants to but the 2021 draft is seen as much deeper and better than the 2020 class so I really don't see him going anywhere after next year (as of right now).
Let's be fair here though..we see kids every single year declare and stay in the draft when they have no business doing so..I'd love for Garcia to be at MU more than 1 year..but just when we think there's no way a kid will declare and stay in..they do, whether its a good decision or not.
You just never know what they are thinking, who's telling them things, do they really like school, do they just want to play and get paid..so many things go into it.
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If Carton is trying to use a medical waiver to play immediately the new, more restrictive NCAA rules implemented last June favor Iowa State’s distant to his home...
Additionally, the council approved new guidelines for staff to follow when considering transfer waivers in cases where a student-athlete transfers to be closer to their home or support system because of their own injury or illness.
In those cases, the school must provide contemporaneous medical documentation from the student-athlete’s treating professional showing the student-athlete is debilitated and was receiving treatment before the transfer; an explanation of the student-athlete’s need to transfer and treatment plan; and a statement from the previous school’s athletics director explaining why the student-athlete indicated he or she was transferring. The student also must be in good academic standing and meeting progress-toward-degree requirements at the new school. The transfer must occur in the academic year after diagnosis, and the new school must be within 100 miles of the student-athlete’s family or support system.
Iowa State is only 23 miles closer to Bettendorf than Marquette. Not sure they would have any advantage in getting a waiver.
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Can we please, please, pretty please let Dawson Garcia play a game for Marquette before we start worrying about him not playing a second season for us? Please?
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Iowa State is only 23 miles closer to Bettendorf than Marquette. Not sure they would have any advantage in getting a waiver.
You’re correct, I was thinking Iowa City, not Ames.
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I still will believe until I hear differently that for whatever reason he had a late last minute change of heart. This was one of the most baffling decisions I've seen.
Offers and conditions of that offer are two way streets. Just because he chose to go back to BGSU doesn't mean he had other great options to choose from. He would have been a grad transfer but I wouldn't be surprised if he heard a lot of you will need to win your spot. We aren't going to guarantee a starting job for you. Without getting to visit the school and play with the team, lots of doubts could arise. Is he much better than Symir? Being the best player on a bad team doesn't mean you would be able to replace the bench player on a good team. With BGSU he knew what he was getting.
The fact that he went to none of the final schools on his list and returned tells me he wasn't going to get what he was hoping for at any of them.
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From the numbers I don't see how DeJulius is a consolation prize at all. It wouldn't be that hard to argue that DeJulius was a comparable or even better overall player this past season & is a better bet on a high major team next year.
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From the numbers I don't see how DeJulius is a consolation prize at all. It wouldn't be that hard to argue that DeJulius was a comparable or even better overall player this past season & is a better bet on a high major team next year.
Better than Turner? No. The only advantage i can say DeJulius brings is an extra year..thats it Turner would have made MU a tournament team..DeJulius..even if able to play this year wont. Not a good enough scorer.
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The one thing I hope Wojo does NOT do at this point is just give a scholarship to someone just to use one. The transfer market has been picked over and again, besides Carton, there isn't a difference making Guard left for next year. Depth pieces aren't going to take you where you need to be.
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Let's be fair here though..we see kids every single year declare and stay in the draft when they have no business doing so..I'd love for Garcia to be at MU more than 1 year..but just when we think there's no way a kid will declare and stay in..they do, whether its a good decision or not.
You just never know what they are thinking, who's telling them things, do they really like school, do they just want to play and get paid..so many things go into it.
Well, we do know that if he was hell bent on receiving a pay check asap he'd have gone overseas or to the G league already. If he decided that he doesn't like college after one year, sure he could go, but you seem far more convinced that will be the case than anyone else here.
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Do you want me to call Bart Torvik or something?
http://www.barttorvik.com/transfercast.php?team=Marquette&run=1&player=Gabe+Watson%3BSouthern+Miss
If you could, please do so. Is he assuming the usage rate would be the same? Otherwise it makes no sense to my simple mind.
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Offers and conditions of that offer are two way streets. Just because he chose to go back to BGSU doesn't mean he had other great options to choose from. He would have been a grad transfer but I wouldn't be surprised if he heard a lot of you will need to win your spot. We aren't going to guarantee a starting job for you. Without getting to visit the school and play with the team, lots of doubts could arise. Is he much better than Symir? Being the best player on a bad team doesn't mean you would be able to replace the bench player on a good team. With BGSU he knew what he was getting.
The fact that he went to none of the final schools on his list and returned tells me he wasn't going to get what he was hoping for at any of them.
Yes. He is better than Symir.
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That's simply not going to happen, that ship has pretty much sailed, people need to just accept that unfortunately. It sucks, but here we are.
I’m a little behind, but what was said to make Mane a low probability?
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I’m a little behind, but what was said to make Mane a low probability?
Wojo
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I’m a little behind, but what was said to make Mane a low probability?
Wojo
Source?
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His coaching.Need any others
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His coaching.Need any others
Yes
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Michigan St and Tom Izzo
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His coaching.Need any others
So what you're saying is that Garcia, Lewis and Oso were too stoopid to know that Wojo would be career-killers? Nice.
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So what you're saying is that Garcia, Lewis and Oso were too stoopid to know that Wojo would be career-killers? Nice.
I think it’s a fair assessment. The freshman committed before the season and these transfers are evaluating the state of the program after all of the dust has settled.
It’s a fluid situation.
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Facts? No. You guys make thinks up or say things as facts. I'll give you a few examples.
1) Saying the NCAA will approve a new transfer rule that will make all transfers able to play next year. The rule will pass but not until the following season
2) Toxic environment around the program. After the Housers left only 3 people have left the program. Two were assistant coaches who got head coaching jobs and Ed who saw his playing time dwindle next to nothing. Meanwhile all the other BE programs except Villanova have had at least 1 player transfer in the same time period.
3) Mane cooled on Wojo because of coaching. The kid is looking at all his options. Show me a credible source that says we are no longer in the running.
4) Carton is going to play next year. Again. Show me a credible source that said that. In fact show me any credible source that has commented on his recruitment over the last 3 weeks. There isn't anything because he's kept everything to himself.
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dad's couch.Show me some facts that Wojo can coach.
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I think people feel that Carton will be granted a waiver because players in similar situations have received waivers in the past. I think at worst he would have to sit first semester.
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dad's couch.Show me some facts that Wojo can coach.
He's a D1 head coach that has gotten to the NCAA tournament 3 of the last 4 years. His teams have been ranked inside the top 25 the last 2 seasons. His teams have beaten Villlanova who are coached by the AP's Coach of the Decade. He was contacted by VT in their coaching search last year so other people in the know value him.
I'm not getting is a pissing match because you hate Wojo. Fine. But quit making statements that you guys say are facts when they are opinions. Or keep doing it and get laughed at.
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Well I guess you are happy getting to the NCAA in 3 of 6 years and getting embarrassed in both games.It would have been three if the games would have been played this year.Marquette can do better.Much better.
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Well I guess you are happy getting to the NCAA in 3 of 6 years and getting embarrassed in both games.It would have been three if the games would have been played this year.Marquette can do better.Much better.
Another opinion presented as fact. It's fine to have opinions. It's fine to have negative opinions about Wojo. You start to lose credibility when you present them as facts.
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I wonder if MU might consider reaching out to Jamal Bienemy.. . Or maybe Jalen Carey. Idk, the pickings are so slim now..I'm just throwing crap against a wall and see if it sticks.
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His teams have beaten Villlanova who are coached by the AP's Coach of the Decade.
are we really flexing that Wojo beat an conference opponent?
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Hey DJ. The facts are his results.No denying those.His teams have folded like accordions the last two years.Had an all American guard and no NCAA wins.Lost 2 starters to transfer.How many more years should MU wait?
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Hey DJ. The facts are his results.No denying those.His teams have folded like accordions the last two years.Had an all American guard and no NCAA wins.Lost 2 starters to transfer.How many more years should MU wait?
That depends on a couple of variables. What he does in the future. What his buyout is. The University's economic situation. How he/his players/his staff presents themselves off the court. To a lesser extent how his recruiting classes are.
Whether you like it or not, there is more at play here than just the number of games won in the NCAA tournament. If that doesn't sit well with you, you could pull your donation, not buy tickets (assuming there are even games to attend), write to the BOT with your frustrations, or decide to support another program, but I can guarantee that no number of posts on here will get him fired.
I understand the frustration (both basketball and otherwise) right now, and I respect the need to vent. Stay safe and healthy.
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Offers and conditions of that offer are two way streets. Just because he chose to go back to BGSU doesn't mean he had other great options to choose from. He would have been a grad transfer but I wouldn't be surprised if he heard a lot of you will need to win your spot. We aren't going to guarantee a starting job for you. Without getting to visit the school and play with the team, lots of doubts could arise. Is he much better than Symir? Being the best player on a bad team doesn't mean you would be able to replace the bench player on a good team. With BGSU he knew what he was getting.
The fact that he went to none of the final schools on his list and returned tells me he wasn't going to get what he was hoping for at any of them.
Wow. I'd expect more from a Gus Macker champ. Or did you forget to use the teal font color?
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Dad, you make too much sense for this blog. You do realize most of these posters are Democrats, yes?
Dumb.
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Well I guess you are happy getting to the NCAA in 3 of 6 years and getting embarrassed in both games.It would have been three if the games would have been played this year.Marquette can do better.Much better.
Why did you change 3 of the last 4 to 3 of the last 6? Both are accurate, but one version implies you are digging far back for an outcome to justify your position.
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Dad, you make too much sense for this blog. You do realize most of these posters are Democrats, yes?
Ridiculous and should be removed
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Warrior Dad.Fine 3 of 4.Whoopee do.He has not won an NCAA game in 6 years at a basketball rich tradition school.His record is below .500 in Big East Play and his teams fizzle out at end of year.I am glad you are happy with these results
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I wonder if MU might consider reaching out to Jamal Bienemy.. . Or maybe Jalen Carey. Idk, the pickings are so slim now..I'm just throwing crap against a wall and see if it sticks.
Pretty sure MU was in contact with Jalen Carey early in the process.
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Warrior Dad.Fine 3 of 4.Whoopee do.He has not won an NCAA game in 6 years at a basketball rich tradition school.His record is below .500 in Big East Play and his teams fizzle out at end of year.I am glad you are happy with these results
I am happy with a very good recruiting class. I am happy that a team with major holes still found a way to fight to a NCAA bid last season (if bids were given out) in a top three league. There were multiple computer simulations that predicted we would do better than some predicted in said tournament, but we will never know. I am happy our record in Big East play over those four years is 39-33 which I believe is 3rd best in the conference.
I will choose what makes me happy, you do the same for you.
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The whole fire Wojo crowd believes we will hire a better coach. I know, based on past history, that we will hire an unproven assistant. While there are established coaches I would pick over Wojo, I also realize there is zero chance they would come to MU. I believe MU, based on Wojo's recruiting efforts is better off with Wojo than starting over with an unproven coach.
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I'm definitely interested in what any wojo crowd thinks about prospective transfer news.
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Minnesota grad transfer Payton Willis who MU reached out to commits to Charleston
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Sooooo.....back to actual recruiting news instead of the same banter that is repeated in every damn thread. Here is a list of the guys MU has been in contact with (and to my knowledge, are still possibilities).
Please add to this list anyone I missed:
Amuari Hardy (UNLV grad) PG
Darius Perry (Louisville grad) PG
Payton Willis (Minnesota grad) PG
DJ Carton (OSU transfer; sit 1, play 3) PG
David DeJulius (Michigan transfer; sit 1, play 2) PG
Jalen Carey (Cuse transfer; sit 1; play 2) PG
Karim Mane (freshman) PG
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And David DeJulius will NOT announce tomorrow anymore. Pushing back decision to later in week...interesting nonetheless
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Sooooo.....back to actual recruiting news instead of the same banter that is repeated in every damn thread. Here is a list of the guys MU has been in contact with (and to my knowledge, are still possibilities).
Please add to this list anyone I missed:
Amuari Hardy (UNLV grad) PG
Darius Perry (Louisville grad) PG
Payton Willis (Minnesota grad) PG
DJ Carton (OSU transfer; sit 1, play 3) PG
David DeJulius (Michigan transfer; sit 1, play 2) PG
Jalen Carey (Cuse transfer; sit 1; play 2) PG
Karim Mane (freshman) PG
Hardy committed to Oregon. I would add Gabe Watson from Southern Miss who MU reached out too, albeit long shot (hopefully) & Jonah Antonio
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Hardy committed to Oregon. I would add Gabe Watson from Southern Miss who MU reached out too, albeit long shot (hopefully) & Jonah Antonio
Thanks. Missed that.
Updated list (in my order of preference):
DJ Carton (OSU transfer; sit 1, play 3) PG
David DeJulius (Michigan transfer; sit 1, play 2) PG
Karim Mane (freshman) PG
Jalen Carey (Cuse transfer; sit 1; play 2) PG
Darius Perry (Louisville grad) PG
Gabe Watson (Southern Miss; sit 1, play 2) G
Jonah Antonio (UNLV grad) SG
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And David DeJulius will NOT announce tomorrow anymore. Pushing back decision to later in week...interesting nonetheless
Returning to Michigan?
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That's simply not going to happen, that ship has pretty much sailed, people need to just accept that unfortunately. It sucks, but here we are.
Not exactly correct from very reliable info
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The whole fire Wojo crowd believes we will hire a better coach. I know, based on past history, that we will hire an unproven assistant. While there are established coaches I would pick over Wojo, I also realize there is zero chance they would come to MU. I believe MU, based on Wojo's recruiting efforts is better off with Wojo than starting over with an unproven coach.
While I don't agree with this, I understand where you are coming from. MU could do a lot worse than Wojo, but I think we can do better. I fully supported his extension but the past year has me questioning his growth as a coach. And my opinion means.... nothing.
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While I don't agree with this, I understand where you are coming from. MU could do a lot worse than Wojo, but I think we can do better. I fully supported his extension but the past year has me questioning his growth as a coach. And my opinion means.... nothing.
TJ Otzelberger
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I’m a little behind, but what was said to make Mane a low probability?
Wojo
If Mane chooses not to come to MU Wojo is not the reason. This is factual from reliable source.
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https://twitter.com/DavidDejulius/status/1250084380447518720/photo/1
Looks like he won't be returning to Michigan.
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TJ Otzelberger
Whats he done to deserve a better job then UNLV?? And thats a pretty good job if he wins there!
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Whats he done to deserve a better job then UNLV?? And thats a pretty good job if he wins there!
UNLV has slid into a mid-major type of job.
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TJ Otzelberger
Is he transferring?
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If Mane chooses not to come to MU Wojo is not the reason. This is factual from reliable source.
BS. Wojo is going to lost every recruit and current rostered player. Especially now that Stan is gone
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Whats he done to deserve a better job then UNLV?? And thats a pretty good job if he wins there!
I would’ve take him directly from SDSU...Not a bad first season going 12-6 in conference.
He’s a special coach and he’s a Milwaukee guy.
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BS. Wojo is going to lost every recruit and current rostered player. Especially now that Stan is gone
;D
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One of the changes I would like to see CBB make(and this has nothing to do with Turner, thought this before him but just reaffirmed it for me) is once you enter the portal...that's it, there is no going back to your current school. To me, this would make kids think a little harder about if it's really what they want, if they can't just run back to the safety of "home".
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One of the changes I would like to see CBB make(and this has nothing to do with Turner, thought this before him but just reaffirmed it for me) is once you enter the portal...that's it, there is no going back to your current school. To me, this would make kids think a little harder about if it's really what they want, if they can't just run back to the safety of "home".
Yeah that's not going to happen.
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Could universities just not keep the door open once a student puts his name in the portal?
Could Bowling Green had filled Turner’s scholarship once he out in the portal? Or do they have to wait until he officially transfers?
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Yeah that's not going to happen.
No chance at all.
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Give me Jair Bolden, grad transfer combo guard from South Carolina, six foot four, tough kid who likes to play defense and shoots 41% from 3
And then let's hope for DJ and/or Mane
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Give me Jair Bolden, grad transfer combo guard from South Carolina, six foot four, tough kid who likes to play defense and shoots 41% from 3
And then let's hope for DJ and/or Mane
Any indication that Marquette has contacted him?
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Any indication that Marquette has contacted him?
No unfortunately. I would expect Wojo would be very interested though.
I would prefer this young man over Turner. NYC kid with an edge, smooth stroke, played his best games against the best competition in a power conference.
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Anyone know who has been in contact with him? It looks like he might have been Creaned, as SC was over the scholarship limit.
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No unfortunately. I would expect Wojo would be very interested though.
I would prefer this young man over Turner. NYC kid with an edge, smooth stroke, played his best games against the best competition in a power conference.
I mean...that's a bit of a reach. The Turner ship has obviously sailed, but he would have very likely been our best player. Bolden looks like a nice option to have, but not a high impact player. Just my opinion. I'd happily take Bolden on next year's roster as we sit here today.
Anyone know who has been in contact with him? It looks like he might have been Creaned, as SC was over the scholarship limit.
No published list I can find.
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Give me Jair Bolden, grad transfer combo guard from South Carolina, six foot four, tough kid who likes to play defense and shoots 41% from 3
would be an DeJulius (#77 to #67) type of impact, jumping from #77 to #68
http://www.barttorvik.com/transfercast.php?team=Marquette&run=1&player=Jair+Bolden%3BSouth+Carolina
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Some posters: wojo is the head coach. Assistants don't have much direct control over the program. The failings of Marquette basketball is on Wojo!
The same posters: the only reason we got recruits was because of one particular assistant. Recruits don't want to play for wojo. And that same assistant is the only reason our current players don't transfer.
Please, I beg of you that are Stan stans, take your fan allegiance with him to LMU and beyond.
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There hasn't been a ton of chatter about Carton publicly, but someone just earlier today said that Carton will just play professionally if he can't get a waiver to play immediately. So me thinks he wants one unless that info is bad (which is possible).
Because nothing's as good for one's mental health as jumping right into the pressure cooker that is the NBA.
And don't think that NBA teams don't know that. Who would take a chance on him before he shows a year of stability?
Oh, and he wasn't really ranked high enough coming out of high school to be considered a likely one and done.
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Depends who was in it.
And if he was wearing Depends.
Nice!
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Sam Hauser liked Goodman’s tweet of Turner going back to Bowling Green.
I am getting drunk.
nm, Beaten to the punch
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Because nothing's as good for one's mental health as jumping right into the pressure cooker that is the NBA.
And don't think that NBA teams don't know that. Who would take a chance on him before he shows a year of stability?
Oh, and he wasn't really ranked high enough coming out of high school to be considered a likely one and done.
I doubt he'd be playing in the NBA. Likely overseas. But yah, I agree with your overall thought process - Carton needs to find a school and get a good (full) season under his belt before the NBA is really an option.
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I doubt he'd be playing in the NBA. Likely overseas. But yah, I agree with your overall thought process - Carton needs to find a school and get a good (full) season under his belt before the NBA is really an option.
Overseas could be even more stressful, language, living on his own, etc.
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One of the changes I would like to see CBB make(and this has nothing to do with Turner, thought this before him but just reaffirmed it for me) is once you enter the portal...that's it, there is no going back to your current school. To me, this would make kids think a little harder about if it's really what they want, if they can't just run back to the safety of "home".
I'm sure others have said it and I'm just too lazy to go back and look, but you wonder if Turner knew he wanted to stay at BG all along, and he just entered the portal to drum up hype and attention from pro scouts? It probably worked, too.
And I'm not for restricting players from returning to their original school after they enter the transfer portal. If the school wants to pull their scholarship for the next year and fill their spot, that's one thing, but to put restrictions on players to return to a team that would welcome them back seems excessive.
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Offers and conditions of that offer are two way streets. Just because he chose to go back to BGSU doesn't mean he had other great options to choose from. He would have been a grad transfer but I wouldn't be surprised if he heard a lot of you will need to win your spot. We aren't going to guarantee a starting job for you. Without getting to visit the school and play with the team, lots of doubts could arise. Is he much better than Symir? Being the best player on a bad team doesn't mean you would be able to replace the bench player on a good team. With BGSU he knew what he was getting.
The fact that he went to none of the final schools on his list and returned tells me he wasn't going to get what he was hoping for at any of them.
Maybe the fact that he was second fiddle to Greg Elliot on his high school team, where Elliot was a star made him consider that nothing at high major schools is guaranteed.
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I'm sure others have said it and I'm just too lazy to go back and look, but you wonder if Turner knew he wanted to stay at BG all along, and he just entered the portal to drum up hype and attention from pro scouts? It probably worked, too.
I doubt that. NBA scouts knew about him before. Their opinion of his game hasn't changed.
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https://247sports.com/Article/Cincinnati-Bearcats-basketball-recruiting-Rapolas-Ivanauskas-commitment-graduate-transfer-146037900/
Rapolas Ivanauskas to Cincinnati, no position overlap, but do they have any remaining scholarships to give? DeJulius may be down to 3.
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https://247sports.com/Article/Cincinnati-Bearcats-basketball-recruiting-Rapolas-Ivanauskas-commitment-graduate-transfer-146037900/
Rapolas Ivanauskas to Cincinnati, no position overlap, but do they have any remaining scholarships to give? DeJulius may be down to 3.
Best I can tell from their board they still have 1 available
I mean Texas Tech currently sits at one OVER...and that was before Burton Committed.
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Overseas could be even more stressful, language, living on his own, etc.
Seems like Australia/NZ teams are becoming popular alternatives to college... make some good $, no class, same language, beaches, laid back lifestyle in general... damn why don't we all move there??
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Seems like Australia/NZ teams are becoming popular alternatives to college... make some good $, no class, same language, beaches, laid back lifestyle in general... damn why don't we all move there??
The fact Mane has visited MU is great...maybe an edge for Wojo, but I definitely can see Mane taking the Australia/NZ option if we approach mid-June and on-campus visits are still no-go.
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The fact Mane has visited MU is great...maybe an edge for Wojo, but I definitely can see Mane taking the Australia/NZ option if we approach mid-June and on-campus visits are still no-go.
Oh to be 19 with nearly limitless options...
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Seems like Australia/NZ teams are becoming popular alternatives to college... make some good $, no class, same language, beaches, laid back lifestyle in general... damn why don't we all move there??
After the 3 weeks we spent there on our honeymoon on the beaches in Far North Queensland...I ask myself that every day.
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The fact Mane has visited MU is great...maybe an edge for Wojo, but I definitely can see Mane taking the Australia/NZ option if we approach mid-June and on-campus visits are still no-go.
I do wonder about this option. Is it sensible in the current climate? Are their going to be legitimate options to play professionally anywhere in the next 6-9 months?
Of course, we can say the same about college hoops. Does the luxury of a scholarship outweigh the uncertainty of finding a place to play? Maybe just working out in preparation for the 2021 draft is appealing. Or is that a high risk, low reward if there is no 2020-21 NBA season.
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Watch Wisconsin somehow pull a Carton commitment out of their asses. Would anyone be surprised as much as MU fans have already been kicked in the nuts this off season?? It would be our luck, I swear. :-\
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Watch Wisconsin somehow pull a Carton commitment out of their asses. Would anyone be surprised as much as MU fans have already been kicked in the nuts this off season?? It would be our luck, I swear. :-\
good news, at least this nut kick will be avoided. Flood said Wisconsin is not pursuing Carton this morning
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Oh to be 19 with nearly limitless options...
Sounds like a night at Angelo’s
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Watch Wisconsin somehow pull a Carton commitment out of their asses. Would anyone be surprised as much as MU fans have already been kicked in the nuts this off season?? It would be our luck, I swear. :-\
Victimhood Alert...I repeat, this is NOT a drill, Victimhood Alert!
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Sounds like a night at Angelo’s Victors
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This was posted 11 minutes ago on the Iowa State board...According to DJ Cartons snapchat story he has made a decision
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What did he decide?
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What did he decide?
It says...decision made...stay tuned if anyone can walk me through how to post a picture I'll do it
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It says...decision made...stay tuned if anyone can walk me through how to post a picture I'll do it
Just screen shot
Seems like Australia/NZ teams are becoming popular alternatives to college... make some good $, no class, same language, beaches, laid back lifestyle in general... damn why don't we all move there??
If they can get past the homesick/time zone aspect, seems like a no brainer. Not as rugged as Europe, less culture change as was mentioned, and a fun competitive league.
Melo Ball buying the Illawarra Hawks was genius. Watch that pipeline begin in earnest
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It says...decision made...stay tuned if anyone can walk me through how to post a picture I'll do it
That post is from 3 weeks ago if its the one with him in front of about 15 schools logo. Interestingly enough, no ISU, all though we're there. If he was really only looking at "midwest schools" which was hinted at, it'd be us, Minn, Illinois.
Full graphic includes Oregon, Alabama, Lousiville, Auburn, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Seton Hall, USC, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Illinois, Texas, G Tech, MU, and Minn. Again, snap is saying its 3 weeks old so take it fwiw.
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Here
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Here
Weird that it's showing up as posted 2 hours ago for you, when I looked it up, it said three weeks ago. Maybe just waiting for dust to settle...???
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Weird that it's showing up as posted 2 hours ago for you, when I looked it up, it said three weeks ago. Maybe just waiting for dust to settle...???
The snapchat post was made 2 hours ago using a photo from his phone that was screenshot several weeks ago.
Indeed looks like he’s decided
FWIW right before that snap he has another one where he says
“Remember this” and posts a clip of him with a title “where will you go to school?” scrolling thru schools and then saying “nowhere.” I’m hoping this doesn’t mean playing pro overseas for a season, even tho as someone already posted that could be a good chance for him to hit the reset button and ball for a year while getting a nice life experience, assuming he plays in a cool spot
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The snapchat post was made 2 hours ago using a photo from his phone that was screenshot several weeks ago.
Indeed looks like he’s decided
FWIW right before that snap he has another one where he says
“Remember this” and posts a clip of him with a title “where will you go to school?” scrolling thru schools and then saying “nowhere.” I’m hoping this doesn’t mean playing pro overseas for a season, even tho as someone already posted that could be a good chance for him to hit the reset button and ball for a year while getting a nice life experience, assuming he plays in a cool spot
But if you noticed that you'd notice none of the schools that "flashed" through that thing were schools even on his list...whyo knows what it means.
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Yeah my read on that is he has made his decision and it is one of the 15 schools in that photo.
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I’m not doing snapchat
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Yeah my read on that is he has made his decision and it is one of the 15 schools in that photo.
Boy, I hate to go here given the debacle of yesterday but...Killings started following him on Instagram
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Boy, I hate to go here given the debacle of yesterday but...Killings started following him on Instagram
Hahahaha this made me laugh. Well done
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Boy, I hate to go here given the debacle of yesterday but...Killings started following him on Instagram
Ha! Love it guru!
Stay strong!!
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Boy, I hate to go here given the debacle of yesterday but...Killings started following him on Instagram
If his wife is then I’m out on him.
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If Mane chooses not to come to MU Wojo is not the reason. This is factual from reliable source.
Cryptic. If you have real information please share.
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Watch Wisconsin somehow pull a Carton commitment out of their asses. Would anyone be surprised as much as MU fans have already been kicked in the nuts this off season?? It would be our luck, I swear. :-\
I don't really feel like we've been kicked in the nuts that much. You're way too dramatic. Sure, Turner and/or Burton would have been nice, but not exactly program changers.
Kicked in the balls was the end of last season and then proceeding to lose 2 of our best 3 players.
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That post is from 3 weeks ago if its the one with him in front of about 15 schools logo. Interestingly enough, no ISU, all though we're there. If he was really only looking at "midwest schools" which was hinted at, it'd be us, Minn, Illinois.
Full graphic includes Oregon, Alabama, Lousiville, Auburn, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Seton Hall, USC, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Illinois, Texas, G Tech, MU, and Minn. Again, snap is saying its 3 weeks old so take it fwiw.
That is alot of schools.
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Kicked in the balls was the end of last season and then proceeding to lose 2 of our best 3 players.
This has actually happened (total end of season collapse and losing 2 of our 3 best players) two years in a row. That”s a real kick in the nuts!
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Seems like Australia/NZ teams are becoming popular alternatives to college... make some good $, no class, same language, beaches, laid back lifestyle in general... damn why don't we all move there??
Because a pair of jeans costs $160, shops close at 5 (except Thursdays, when they are open late (til 6)), and a 50 square meter apartment in Sydney costs the same as a 5 bedroom house in Chicago suburbs - and it just gets worse from there...
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That is alot of schools.
It's a lot of schools, but a vast majority of them can be eliminated IMO because of not having any scholarships available or getting other players at his position, not too mention a vast majority of them being a long ways from home(assuming he wants to be closer to home)
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It's a lot of schools, but a vast majority of them can be eliminated IMO because of not having any scholarships available or getting other players at his position, not too mention a vast majority of them being a long ways from home(assuming he wants to be closer to home)
Fair. But remember how important it was to Turner to go somewhere to play at a different pace?
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This has actually happened (total end of season collapse and losing 2 of our 3 best players) two years in a row. That”s a real kick in the nuts!
2 of 3 best returning players, is quite obviously what I meant.
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Boy, I hate to go here given the debacle of yesterday but...Killings started following him on Instagram
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/GCSIwtwqAMBTq/giphy.gif?cid=19f5b51a128b9e3f89b3226c89475fadd40d46fee23a515c&rid=giphy.gif)
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Fair. But remember how important it was to Turner to go somewhere to play at a different pace?
That was Burton, but I understand you're point. I am by no means going to allow myself to get all excited again this time. Seems like every time I do...things like yesterday happen.
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Mood: (https://media3.giphy.com/media/ToMjGpKniGqRNLGBrhu/giphy.gif?cid=19f5b51a04b99f5e5b3fda6e8bd314bb731ccea341f7da29&rid=giphy.gif)
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Yeah my read on that is he has made his decision and it is one of the 15 schools in that photo.
After Turner stayed at BG I'm convinced we're just in the Dark Timeline. Nothing makes sense anymore so he will go to none of the 15.
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After Turner stayed at BG I'm convinced we're just in the Dark Timeline. Nothing makes sense anymore so he will go to none of the 15.
That's exactly what I'm expecting to be honest...Hell, he might commit to a school that wasn't even recruiting him for all we know. ;D That would just be normal for an MU fans luck.
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The recruits coming in are excellent from all indicators. However, in the recruiting game, does basketball tradition, fan base (like all of us), facilities such as Fiserv Forum, conference affiliation, opportunities on national tv, and even academics, mean anything? When a young guy opts for Lubbock, or opts to return to BG, another might chose Ames, IA...what’s up with that? Is it Milwaukee? Other?
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Found it interesting ISU was not in his final list.
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Boy, I hate to go here given the debacle of yesterday but...Killings started following him on Instagram
Guru man.....learned nothing from yesterday?
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Guru man.....learned nothing from yesterday?
That's why I said "I hate to go here given the debacle from yesterday"...but I try to pass along info I find as much as I can, even if it's "stupid".
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That's why I said "I hate to go here given the debacle from yesterday"...but I try to pass along info I find as much as I can, even if it's "stupid".
Tracking social media follows isn’t dumb at all in this day and age. Does it mean we will land the kid? Of course not. However, it does let us know that the coaching staff at least feels they are still in the running.
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Tracking social media follows isn’t dumb at all in this day and age. Does it mean we will land the kid? Of course not. However, it does let us know that the coaching staff at least feels they are still in the running.
Right, one of several pieces of data to consider in predicting where a transfer/recruit may be heading. I enjoy the updates from muguru.
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From Iowa St. Insider
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From Iowa St. Insider
Bummer - thanks guru
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From Iowa St. Insider
Strike three
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real chili, is Carton whom u spoke of?? Are u in the bunker? If so is there food and can I join u?? ;D
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Such insightful comebacks. Keep it coming guys. Or tell me what Wojo has done right since mid February?
Maybe let Wojo actually miss out on the recruit before declaring it another loss by Wojo. Especially when the source you are basing it on just missed on Turner and insisted that Iowa State was a leader for Carton before he left them out of his final 15.
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Maybe let Wojo actually miss out on the recruit before declaring it another loss by Wojo. Especially when the source you are basing it on just missed on Turner and insisted that Iowa State was a leader for Carton before he left them out of his final 15.
I agree, that guy might be totally wrong again. These so called insiders are often wrong.
But the overall negative of how the season ended (past two), and the swings and misses so far in spring recruiting is just impossible to ignore. That’s what I was driving at, although can understand what I was replying to took away from my larger point.
Spring recruiting isn’t near over, maybe momentum will suddenly turn, but it’s been one negative after another for awhile now
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This might have been posted earlier about Mane but interesting nonetheless from article today:
“It's an option,” Corey Evans said of the NBA. “Marquette was in early and it might hurt them that they lost their lead assistant, Stan Johnson, to the Loyola Marymount head coaching job.”
And separately Ant Wright - not your traditional source but he has been plugged on Mane all along...rumors Karim is amongst the Terrance Clarke, Jalen Suggs, Jalen Greens being pursed by G League & six figure offers
https://twitter.com/itsantwright/status/1250218285158862848?s=21
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But the overall negative of how the season ended (past two), and the swings and misses so far in spring recruiting is just impossible to ignore.
Who is ignoring them? Scoop sure as hell isn't.
Administration? Have you told Lovell how you feel? What are you or I or TAMU or guru supposed to do about any of this other than whine and/or say "Woe is me"?
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https://twitter.com/jakeweingarten/status/1250420834230992896?s=20
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https://twitter.com/jakeweingarten/status/1250420834230992896?s=20
This is the guy that pretty much every Scooper says to avoid like the plague, right?
Makes me wonder what the hell is wrong with the coaches at Mizzou, Illinois, Maryland, Cinci, Xavier, Seton Hall and BYU.
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Soooooo any news on that Carton “decision” from last night?
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Soooooo any news on that Carton “decision” from last night?
It's still up on his Snapchat, so I imagine something will be coming in the next day or two.
I believe the Snap is a screenshot of the same Snap from 3 weeks ago, but he added the "Decision Made" to it within the last 24 hours and reposted. But usually people don't post those decisions at 9 in the morning, so maybe later today or by the end of the week would seem appropriate.
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Makes me wonder what the hell is wrong with the coaches at Mizzou, Illinois, Maryland, Cinci, Xavier, Seton Hall and BYU.
Not as smart as the coaches on Scoop. Duh.
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Dejulius might be heading back to Michigan. Rumor has it he's no longer in the transfer portal.
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Dejulius might be heading back to Michigan. Rumor has it he's no longer in the transfer portal.
Derrick
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False alarm, David Dejulius is still transferring per @tyronemoorecbb (Who is very reliable)
Its the World vs Michigan fans. The agony continues
https://twitter.com/grooms_nba/status/1250307396058017793
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Also, after doing a little more digging on twitter it sounds like DeJulius was never in the transfer portal on the 247 site in the first place. (according to several Michigan fans on twitter)
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Also, after doing a little more digging on twitter it sounds like DeJulius was never in the transfer portal on the 247 site in the first place. (according to several Michigan fans on twitter)
Michigan is a team that went from the penthouse to the outhouse quick. DeJulius transfer, Livers testing the draft, Josh Christopher crossing them up and then Isaiah Todd going pro. They went from trying to figure out the scholarship situation to trying to fill the scholarship spots
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247 is not the offical transfer portal, correct?
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Also, after doing a little more digging on twitter it sounds like DeJulius was never in the transfer portal on the 247 site in the first place. (according to several Michigan fans on twitter)
Thanks for the updates.
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https://twitter.com/mubbnation/status/1250443527508688896?s=21
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Michigan is a team that went from the penthouse to the outhouse quick. DeJulius transfer, Livers testing the draft, Josh Christopher crossing them up and then Isaiah Todd going pro. They went from trying to figure out the scholarship situation to trying to fill the scholarship spots
juxtapose this as if it were happening here and there would be a lot of hair on fire reactions...just a wild guess though...anecdotally of course
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247 is not the offical transfer portal, correct?
Correct. As far as I know the actual NCAA transfer portal can only be accessed by school administrators and coaches.
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Michigan is a team that went from the penthouse to the outhouse quick. DeJulius transfer, Livers testing the draft, Josh Christopher crossing them up and then Isaiah Todd going pro. They went from trying to figure out the scholarship situation to trying to fill the scholarship spots
Remember when certain posters were hyping Juwan Howard? He was killing it at the beginning of this season and dominating recruiting?
It's almost like we don't like to wait until all the evidence is in. That seems to happen a lot with this board and coaching/player evaluations
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On the Iowa St board, their insider Chris Williams put in his crystal ball for DeJulius to Cincinnati
And the Iowa St insider on 247 also just said DeJulius to Cincy.
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Per Gery Woelfel @ Gery Woelfel
Talented SG Justin Turner who considered transferring to Marquette said the COVID-19 crisis played a big role in his decision to stay at Bowling Green said Turner “It impacted my decision a lot I did not make a visit, who knows what would of happened”
That and Sam Hauser. Sam Hauser “liking” Goodman’s Tweet That Justin Turner was staying at Bowling Green
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It's almost like we don't like to wait until all the evidence is in.
No way! Take that back!
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Per Gery Woelfel @ Gery Woelfel
Talented SG Justin Turner who considered transferring to Marquette said the COVID-19 crisis played a big role in his decision to stay at Bowling Green said Turner “It impacted my decision a lot I did not make a visit, who knows what would of happened”
Not a good take I mean, I didn't come back because of teammates or school, the virus and not making visits
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Welp. Not looking good on DeJulius. Hopefully we get much needed good news on Carton in the next 48 hours. If he goes elsewhere, insert the "everything is fine" GIF with the house on fire.
If we can land Carton tho, next year goes from looking like a NIT bubble team at the moment, to a team that has chance to make the tournament. It also takes a little pressure off finding impact guys with those last 2 scholarships - can just try to find a role playing grad and a traditional transfer that may appear next few weeks.
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Not a good take I mean, I didn't come back because of teammates or school, the virus and not making visits
Yeah, though I think his status as a grad transfer impacts the optics of that somewhat. Playing as a senior this past year, I think most guys on his team assumed he was gone at the end of this year, and wouldn't have taken it as a sleight if he chose a different experience for his grad year. Him coming back was the surprise, and I don't think its throwing shade for him to acknowledge that covid significantly impacted his ability to get comfortable enough somewhere else to make the jump.
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On the Iowa St board, their insider Chris Williams put in his crystal ball for DeJulius to Cincinnati
And the Iowa St insider on 247 also just said DeJulius to Cincy.
Hey Real Chili is more awesome than Skyline Chili 🙂
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On the Iowa St board, their insider Chris Williams put in his crystal ball for DeJulius to Cincinnati
And the Iowa St insider on 247 also just said DeJulius to Cincy.
This guy was wrong on Turner on like 4 separate occasions. He's literally just guessing
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This guy was wrong on Turner on like 4 separate occasions. He's literally just guessing
No he wasn't/isn't. He had Turner to Bowling Green about a half an hour before he announced it.
That's two diff insiders saying Cincy now so..
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Thanks. Missed that.
Updated list (in my order of preference):
DJ Carton (OSU transfer; sit 1, play 3) PG
David DeJulius (Michigan transfer; sit 1, play 2) PG
Karim Mane (freshman) PG
Jalen Carey (Cuse transfer; sit 1; play 2) PG
Darius Perry (Louisville grad) PG
Gabe Watson (Southern Miss; sit 1, play 2) G
Jonah Antonio (UNLV grad) SG
Miss State writer crystal balled Gabe Watson to Miss State last night
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Correct. As far as I know the actual NCAA transfer portal can only be accessed by school administrators and coaches.
or media members who have been given access by coaches.
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Remember when certain posters were hyping Juwan Howard? He was killing it at the beginning of this season and dominating recruiting?
It's almost like we don't like to wait until all the evidence is in. That seems to happen a lot with this board and coaching/player evaluations
I wouldn't give up on him yet. Livers may not go, Christopher's brother is at ASU, the Todd thing was kind of out of nowhere and not like the kid ended up going to a rival school. So while he isn't the future Wooden people were making him out to be after the Bahamas tourney I don't think we can conclude he's the next Dukuit either (especially after team performance jumped after getting Livers back from injury).
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Welp. Not looking good on DeJulius. Hopefully we get much needed good news on Carton in the next 48 hours. If he goes elsewhere, insert the "everything is fine" GIF with the house on fire.
If we can land Carton tho, next year goes from looking like a NIT bubble team at the moment, to a team that has chance to make the tournament. It also takes a little pressure off finding impact guys with those last 2 scholarships - can just try to find a role playing grad and a traditional transfer that may appear next few weeks.
Please stop. There is no evidence the kid will get a waiver next year or even wants one. The worst is he comes here and wants to sit a year to take care of his needs while idiot chat room fans saying our season would be better if only he played.
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No he wasn't/isn't. He had Turner to Bowling Green about a half an hour before he announced it.
That's two diff insiders saying Cincy now so..
That guy was posted on here multiple times saying he was going to Mizzou. Then a day before he was saying Marquette. Then Turner stayed at BG. He's been wrong on numerous occasions.
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That guy was posted on here multiple times saying he was going to Mizzou. Then a day before he was saying Marquette. Then Turner stayed at BG. He's been wrong on numerous occasions.
Does he have a Twitter or Instagram account?
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Does he have a Twitter or Instagram account?
Cyclone Fanatic publisher
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Please stop. There is no evidence the kid will get a waiver next year or even wants one. The worst is he comes here and wants to sit a year to take care of his needs while idiot chat room fans saying our season would be better if only he played.
Lol. Please stop discussing transfers on a thread about transfers? Classic. Maybe you should stop reading this board if can't handle basic on-topic discussion, and need to resort to name calling.
Based on the NCAA's historical precedent on waivers, Carton is as close to slam dunk waiver as you can find. Its also been reported that Carton won't even go to college if he can't get a waiver. So its probably safe to assume he wants one. No I don't know for certain - but neither do you. And if Carton came to Marquette, and wanted to take a his redshirt year (or was unable to get a waiver for whatever reason), I certainly wouldn't fault Carton himself. But it doesn't exactly take a ton of mindnumbing analysis to come to the conclusion that Marquette would be vastly better next season with Carton playing basketball games.
So no, you stop.
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Lol. Please stop discussing transfers on a thread about transfers? Classic. Maybe you should stop reading this board if can't handle basic on-topic discussion, and need to resort to name calling.
Based on the NCAA's historical precedent on waivers, Carton is as close to slam dunk waiver as you can find. Its also been reported that Carton won't even go to college if he can't get a waiver. So its probably safe to assume he wants one. No I don't know for certain - but neither do you. And if Carton came to Marquette, and wanted to take a his redshirt year (or was unable to get a waiver for whatever reason), I certainly wouldn't fault Carton himself. But it doesn't exactly take a ton of mindnumbing analysis to come to the conclusion that Marquette would be vastly better next season with Carton playing basketball games.
So no, you stop.
I think this is wishful thinking, Carton played 20 game before taking a leave.
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I think this is wishful thinking, Carton played 20 game before taking a leave.
Not a waiver to get an extra year of eligibility back. A waiver to not have to redshirt a year.
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It's a lot of schools, but a vast majority of them can be eliminated IMO because of not having any scholarships available or getting other players at his position, not too mention a vast majority of them being a long ways from home(assuming he wants to be closer to home)
Were you thinking TTU, Oregon, Arkansas, Alabama, Seton Hall, Auburn? If so, then I agree
TTU:
- landed burton the other day, PG
- returning PG David Moretti
- 5* Nimari Burnett coming in considered a CG on 247
Oregon:
- Amari Hardy transferred in, immediately eligible from UNLV, averaged 14.5
- Addison Patterson and Will Richardson returning both Guards
- 4* Jalen Terry coming in, both him and hardy are from michigan
Arkansas:
- has 2 4* PGs coming in
- Jalen Tate transfer guard from NKU
Alabama:
- has former 5* Jahvon Quinerly returning this year after sitting out one year after transferring from villanova
- 4* Josh Primo from Canada coming in
- PG Kira Lewis Jr entering the draft
- Jaden Shackleford returning
- John Petty Jr entered draft, but maintaining eligibility
Seton Hall
- Bryce Aiken transfer from Harvard, immediately eligible
- Shavar Reynolds returning
- G/F Jared Rhoden returning
Auburn:
- 5* Sharife Cooper coming in
- Devan Cambridge returning
- Still in the mix for 5* Jalen Green (most likely to go the pro route)
- Jamal johnson and Allen Flanigan returning
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You could find a reason for every transfer/recruit ever to rule out every school out there. The reality is very few people know what a kid is going to do or why he's going to do it. Every fanbase these kids are involved in thinks it makes no sense for that kid to go to whatever other school is on his list. Kids make their decisions for a number of different reasons.
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Well...Carton..
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FWIW, would be a nice week for Cincy fans
Ivanauskas & DeJulius improves them from 66 to 47
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Well...Carton..
Holy crap! Are we going to war!?
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FWIW, would be a nice week for Cincy fans
Ivanauskas & DeJulius improves them from 66 to 47
And here sits MU with 3 open scholarships
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Well...Carton..
To put the picture into context... It was taken by Marlon Stewart who went to HS in Iowa about 15 mins from Bettendorf.
Marlon Stewart was a senior for North Dakota this past season so he is the one preparing for the draft. I assume DJ is just working out with him.
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To put the picture into context... It was taken by Marlon Stewart who went to HS in Iowa about 15 mins from Bettendorf.
Marlon Stewart was a senior for North Dakota this past season so he is the one preparing for the draft. I assume DJ is just working out with him.
Maybe, but it's also possible DJ plans to go pro. Would not shock me in the least.
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I’d guess he gawne but why in the heck is killings following a kid on the socials that’s jumping to the NBA?
Then again wojo added Turner the day before or day of his announcement to go back to BGU so maybe these kids really aren’t calling the coaches to tell them of their decision...
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Don't really understand why Carton would publicize that he's made his decision and then just sit on it.
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Don't really understand why Carton would publicize that he's made his decision and then just sit on it.
Because he feels like it?
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Because he feels like it?
I guess. I mean he certainly can do whatever he'd like. Just kind of strange to say you've made a decision (and probably have a crap ton of people asking you about it) and then just crickets for 24 hours. But yah...the way most high level CBB recruiting plays out, whether HS or transfer, is kind of silly. Being a college basketball coach and dealing with this crap daily would be infuriating.
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Don't really understand why Carton would publicize that he's made his decision and then just sit on it.
Because Tipton Edits has to make the announcement video. Obviously.
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Because Tipton Edits has to make the announcement video. Obviously.
How could I forget!
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To put the picture into context... It was taken by Marlon Stewart who went to HS in Iowa about 15 mins from Bettendorf.
Marlon Stewart was a senior for North Dakota this past season so he is the one preparing for the draft. I assume DJ is just working out with him.
This makes the most logical sense. Any NBA scout watching Carton this year would say "go back to school and work on the jumper to make it more consistent, cut down turnovers, show you are good in traffic." There isn't really a draft path for him this year. A year of showcasing would do him good.
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Because Tipton Edits has to make the announcement video. Obviously.
You joke but this may be the case. Could be hrs not ready to go public but wants coaches to stop calling. Could be decision is made but some Is need to be crossed and Ts dotted before it's official. Could be he likes trolling message board fans. I gave up trying to make sense of social media a long time ago
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Don't really understand why Carton would publicize that he's made his decision and then just sit on it.
Attention.
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You joke but this may be the case. Could be hrs not ready to go public but wants coaches to stop calling. Could be decision is made but some Is need to be crossed and Ts dotted before it's official. Could be he likes trolling message board fans. I gave up trying to make sense of social media a long time ago
Oh, I totally wasn't joking. That seems to be the reality nowadays.
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A couple stories on CBB transfers today in the New Haven Register. I could not add the link for some reason either? I thought the take from a smaller D-I school coach was interesting.
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SHU coach Latina sees ‘nuanced answers’ to the transfer question
JEFF JACOBS
jeff.jacobs@hearstmediact.com; @jeffjacobs123
he Sacred Heart basketball program has been hit and hit hard by transfers in recent years. With E.J. Anosike, one of the nation’s top graduate-transfers, leaving for Tennessee and with four transfers in all, this spring is no exception.
Anthony Latina says people approach him expecting he’ll rail against the entire process. He does not.
“For some kids, transferring is a blessing,” the Pioneers coach said. “For other kids, it’s the worst decision they’re ever going to make. As coaches and adults who guide these young men — and they are young men — we’ve got to educate them that one size does not fit all. Leaving is not automatically the best answer. Staying is not automatically the best answer.
“People expect me to say transferring is terrible, because we’ve been so hurt by it. But there are nuanced answers to a general question.”
Latina points to Quincy McKnight as making the right move transferring to Seton Hall in 2017.
“He obviously was terrific for us,” Latina said. “But he needed a change of scenery. He becomes an All-Big East player on a Top 15 team in the country. He graduates. It was a beneficial move in a lot of ways.
“The problem is people will look at him and say, ‘I’m going to be like Quincy McKnight.’ One, there’s an awfully good chance you’re not as good as Quincy. Two, he went into a perfect situation for him. Three, it was time for him to make a move. He knew it. I knew it. Sacred Heart was not the fit for him at that time for several reasons.”
Beyond McKnight, Latina lost Cane Broome to Cincinnati in 2016. Had they stayed four years, both would have been among the best players in NEC history. Still, Latina was able to set a program record for wins this past season with a team that he said was significantly better than either Broome or McKnight played on.
So what happened?
Anosike, who averaged 15.7 points and 11.6 rebounds a game, transferred. So did Cameron Parker, who set an NCAA single-game record with 24 assists against Division III Pine Manor. Parker will announce Saturday where he’s going from among Portland State, FIU, Hawaii, Akron and Montana. Portland State is considered the front-runner. With Myles Cephas and Chaylyn Martin also transferring and Kinnon LaRose and Jare’l Spellman completing their senior years, Latina must replace half his roster.
“My thinking is (Anosike’s departure) could set us back a season,” Latina said. “We’ll get other guys. The issue is are transfers making the right decision?”
In 2017, 689 players transferred in Division I. In 2018, it was 704, including 34 percent graduate transfers. In 2019, it was 694, including 32 percent graduate transfers. The numbers will end up being enormous again this year. Also hanging out there is the NCAA Division I Council vote, postponed at least until May because of COVID-19, to allow a one-time transfer without having to sit out a year.
Connecticut, in the meantime, has been a mother lode of top graduate transfers (who can play immediately) with Quinnipiac’s Kevin Marfo going to Texas A&M and Rich Kelly to Boston College, UConn’s Alterique Gilbert to Wichita State and Yale’s Jordan Bruner to Alabama. The age of building programs has given way to the age of rebuilding teams.
“The reality is 25-30 years ago the student-athletes had very little control of their situation,” Latina said. “Now they have control. I think that’s a good thing, but the unintended consequence is a lot of decisions are made that hurt these kids long-term. not turn out to be Quincy McKnight.
“Getting a degree is far more valuable long-term than where you play basketball,” Latina said. “Certainly at Sacred Heart, but even the highest level. I have zero problem with players taking advantage of their image and likeness. Great. God bless them. But for 99 percent the degree is the lottery ticket. Maybe 1 percent is going to make life-changing money as a basketball player.
“How many people can get a job without a degree?
“The transfer portal is not a bad thing in itself. It gives the student-athlete the ability to not have to jump through hoops to get a release. It gives the student-athlete a say in exactly what’s going to happen with them. But a lot of times they are not getting enough guidance and thinking it through quite enough and they are making decisions that aren’t really in their best interest — certainly not long-term.”
In other words, Latina said, there’s a very high likelihood that most will Very few. People throw Bill Gates at me. So you’re going to be Bill Gates? That’s your plan? With a degree, you have something that no one can take away from you that you can utilize to sell yourself. That’s got to be our focus. That needs to be addressed more often. Unfortunately, it falls on deaf ears and kids are left in no better situation than when they got to your university. It will have a lifetime of negative effects. That’s the biggest tragedy.”
So does transferring increase or decrease your chances of getting a degree?
“This is one of my fears with the eligible immediately rule,” Latina said. “People see the sit-out year as punitive. I disagree. It doesn’t assure it, but it gives those players a better chance to get a degree. The reality of the matter is once their eligibility is done, so many are not going back to school. When you transfer, often not all your credits transfer. Now you’re not on schedule to graduate and some schools don’t have the ability to pay for an extra year.
“All that increases the likelihood that especially at-risk kids don’t get a degree. At some places it can almost eliminate those chances. I don’t think that point is brought up nearly enough.”
A favorite argument of the media — I’ve used it — is that coaches making millions can move anytime they want, and college athletes cannot. It has the scent of hypocrisy.
“I don’t want anyone to feel sorry for coaches,” said Latina, who said he made less than $20,000 a year in his first six years as a full-time college assistant. “I’m just saying that as far as graduating young people, that part of the argument is apples and oranges.
“Some of this also is the instant-gratification world we live in. ‘Things aren’t going well for me. I’m just going to leave.’ There are times in your life that your job, your marriage, it’s not going to go the way you want. It’s not always ‘I need a change of scenery.’ Sometimes it’s ‘What’s my role in making it better?’ ”
Latina was surprised — not shocked — by Anosike’s decision to leave. Parker’s departure, probably hastened by Aaron Clarke’s ascension as point guard while Parker was injured, was not a surprise.
“E.J. is a special kid,” Latina said. “He got his degree in three years. We’d be naive if we didn’t think about it, because he’s such a good player. We knew there was a market for him. We had hopes. It’s something he felt he needed to do. We encouraged him to explore what he needed to explore. Our pitch to him was ‘You’ll probably be NEC preseason Player of the Year. You could lead the country in double-doubles, put yourself on NBA radar with dominating performances.’ ”
Latina pulled out a CBS Sports piece by Jon Roth-stein: 14 players who averaged in double figures at mid-major programs during the 2018-19 season used the graduate transfer rule to commit to high-major teams. None averaged in double figures last season. Of the 50 total transfers who moved up to a high major last season, Jeff Goodman of Stadium calculated two averaged more than 12 points and the 50 averaged 6.3 points.
“So do you maybe average 6-8 points at one of the power conferences?” Latina said. “Or do you average 18 and 12 next year and be conference Player of the Year? That’s a good conversation to have.”
Latina wasn’t finished. He pulled up a Seth Greenberg tweet: Between 2013 and 2019, 334 college basketball players were drafted by the NBA. Only 19 were transfers.
“And of those 19, how many transferred up to a high major?” Latina said. “I don’t know. Not many. Steph Curry. Damian Lil-lard. CJ McCollum … there’s a lot more guys drafted out of one-bid leagues. Even though the statistics are clear, the temptation to play at the highest level in college apparently is too great for most kids.
“But if it’s about playing professional, it’s pretty clear.”
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MEN’S COLLEGE BASKETBALL
Transfer portal causing plenty of coaches headaches
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WICHITA, Kan. — Gregg Marshall began his career as an assistant at tiny Randolph-Macon and Belmont Abbey, but it was during eight years on the staff of Hall of Fame coach John Kresse at College of Charleston that he learned to build a basketball program.
Marshall learned how to recruit players who fit his style. He learned how to find overlooked gems, guys who were still growing or had yet to discover their shot. He learned how to sit in their living rooms and convince moms and dads that their sons would get a good education and in four years be prepared for the real world.
Many of those lessons have helped Marshall become Wichita State’s winningest coach. But many have lost their value, and the reason is simple: The NCAA transfer portal has forced coaches to build teams rather than programs.
The system was implemented two years ago, intended to help ease the burden on administrators, increase transparency and empower athletes who complained about being prevented at times from going elsewhere. But in the eyes of many coaches, the portal has made transferring too easy, giving players an easy out for any reason: amount of playing time, location, level of competition, even something as silly as school colors.
“It’s created a system in which, when problems arise, (players) are not going to fight through the problems and adversity,“ Marshall said. “You’re going to make a move. It’s going to be easy to do. That’s the problem I see with it.”
The Shockers went 23-8 and spent much of last season hanging around the Top 25, and they were likely to receive an at-large bid to the NCAA Tournament had it not been canceled. Fast forward a few weeks and Marshall is wondering how he might need to replace seven players who placed their names in the transfer portal.
They run the gamut from high-scoring guard Erik Stevenson, who has committed to Washington, and talented freshman Grant Sherfield, who is headed to Nevada, to role players that hardly saw the floor. But together, they left Marshall with a roster full of holes that he must plug even while the coronavirus pandemic has put the brakes on recruiting.
So much for those lessons he picked up from Kresse back in Charleston.
More than 500 names have been entered into the portal in the month since the season ended, and new names are added by the day. Some come from big-name programs in search of a fresh start, others from small schools with something to prove. Many are graduate transfers who can play immediately, though most will have to sit out a year under NCAA transfer rules.
“You have to respect each young guy’s decision because that’s the culture we live in today,” Missouri coach Cuonzo Martin said. “You have guys leaving teams. That’s just the way it is. But when you’re talking about freshmen, they have to have the opportunity to play from Day 1 or you’ll be looking at a lot of this.”
No brand of school is unaffected, either.
Johnny Juzang and Kahlil Whitney jumped into the portal after their freshman seasons at Kentucky, and Alex O’Connell made the move after his junior year at Duke, creating holes for the bluest of blue bloods. Some Power Five programs such as Iowa State, with five players in the transfer portal, have begun to resemble a bus stop with players coming and going.
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The idea that WSU having seven transfers just being the "portal" as the problem and absolving Marshall of blame himself is ridiculous. That doesn't happen unless there's a bigger, systemic problem.
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https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/high-school/recruiting/2020/04/15/recruiting-mailbag-iowa-states-transfer-pursuit-cordell-pemsl-dj-carton-drew-buggs-darius-perry/2988554001/
Any updates on DJ Carton? — @TSeghetti11
There's not much coming from D.J. Carton or his camp right now, and I'm hearing that's by design. The chatter that does exist suggests things will be mostly kept under wraps until there's a decision made.
So, I'm not sure I'd expect a top five or a top four or whatever. The next we hear about Carton could very well be when he commits to a new school.
Iowa State, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Marquette, Memphis and Creighton are among the schools that have been involved
At this point nothing would surprise me, but we're the only overlap between this list and the list Carton posted.
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Don't really understand why Carton would publicize that he's made his decision and then just sit on it.
He may be training for the draft to go through the process but keeping his options open to return to college. I wouldn't read too much into that photo (why are you on a college kid's social media page anyway).
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Lol. Please stop discussing transfers on a thread about transfers? Classic. Maybe you should stop reading this board if can't handle basic on-topic discussion, and need to resort to name calling.
Based on the NCAA's historical precedent on waivers, Carton is as close to slam dunk waiver as you can find. Its also been reported that Carton won't even go to college if he can't get a waiver. So its probably safe to assume he wants one. No I don't know for certain - but neither do you. And if Carton came to Marquette, and wanted to take a his redshirt year (or was unable to get a waiver for whatever reason), I certainly wouldn't fault Carton himself. But it doesn't exactly take a ton of mindnumbing analysis to come to the conclusion that Marquette would be vastly better next season with Carton playing basketball games.
So no, you stop.
you know this how?
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you know this how?
He's literate?
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He may be training for the draft to go through the process but keeping his options open to return to college. I wouldn't read too much into that photo (why are you on a college kid's social media page anyway).
Creepy Chicos take?
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Now this one is definitely a take for me...
Corey Evans
@coreyevans_10
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Wake Forest guard Chaundee Brown will transfer, a source tells @RivalsPortal
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Now this one is definitely a take for me...
Corey Evans
@coreyevans_10
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Wake Forest guard Chaundee Brown will transfer, a source tells @RivalsPortal
Agreed, that's a call I would make. Not as spectacular as some of the names that have come and gone, but proven at the high major level.
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Agreed, that's a call I would make. Not as spectacular as some of the names that have come and gone, but proven at the high major level.
Absolutely 12.1 PPG and 6.5 rebounds per game 108.9 O-Rating
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Now this one is definitely a take for me...
Corey Evans
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Wake Forest guard Chaundee Brown will transfer, a source tells @RivalsPortal
Very solid player
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A couple stories on CBB transfers today in the New Haven Register.
Thanks for posting that MUFIC. I liked reading what the coaches had to say, even some of the stuff I disagreed with.
The idea that WSU having seven transfers just being the "portal" as the problem and absolving Marshall of blame himself is ridiculous. That doesn't happen unless there's a bigger, systemic problem.
Thought the exact same thing myself, brewski.
Being a college basketball coach and dealing with this crap daily would be infuriating.
Nobody is holding a gun to any coach's head,JJJJJJJJJJJJJJJ. Each is free to leave his multimillion-dollar job any time he wants.
And lots of them do leave ... for even more millions. And they never have to sit out a year.
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Very solid player
Chaundee Brown is leaving Wake Forest’s basketball team to enter the NBA draft process and, if he maintains his eligibility and returns to college, he plans to enter the transfer portal and play his final season elsewhere, a source said Wednesday.
Brown, a rising senior, is expected to make his announcement on entering the draft process — whatever that may look like amid the COVID-19 outbreak — later this week.
Last week, Coach Danny Manning told the Journal that he would encourage juniors Olivier Sarr and Brown to enter the NBA draft process and seek feedback from teams.
Brown is poised to become the fifth player in the last four years to leave Wake Forest before his senior season, along with Dinos Mitoglou, Bryant Crawford, Doral Moore and Keyshawn Woods.
The 6-5, 220-pound Brown is the third player to leave Wake Forest since the end of the season. Previously, sophomore guards Sharone Wright Jr. and Michael Wynn entered the transfer portal.
Wake Forest has added one graduate transfer, Ian DuBose from Houston Baptist. With Brown’s departure, the Deacons will have two open scholarships to fill.
Brown’s junior season was up and down, due partly to injuries. He missed practicing last summer because of knee surgery. In November, Brown suffered an ankle injury in practice and missed one game, and then appeared hobbled in the following five games — during which his scoring average dipped from 15.8 points to 11.0.
Then in the Deacons’ first game of January, a win at Pittsburgh, Brown suffered a torn calf muscle that caused him to miss the next seven games.
Highlighting the last 11 games in Brown’s season was a 24-point, nine-rebound performance in the Deacons’ double overtime win over Duke. That was his fifth and final 20-point game of the season.
Brown was third on the Deacons in scoring each of the last two seasons, averaging 11.9 and 12.1 points per game last season and this past season, respectively. He started 74 of 84 career games for Wake Forest. The most recent season was the first when he missed multiple games because of injuries.
The Orlando, Fla., native averaged 7.6 points and 3.0 rebounds per game as a freshman and took strides as a rebounder in the past two seasons. In his sophomore season, Brown averaged 5 rebounds. In the most recent season that number went to 6.5.
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Absolutely 12.1 PPG and 6.5 rebounds per game 108.9 O-Rating
Marquette would jump from 78 to 53.
for example; Justin turner would have bumped MU to 56. So this would be a big value player on the market
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Marquette would jump from 78 to 53.
for example; Justin turner would have bumped MU to 56. So this would be a big value player on the market
He is entering the draft, but I can't see him staying in. This is one MU needs to be on from the beginning and get a commitment from. he had some injuries last year but is a very good player. Had 5 20+ point games last year.
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He is entering the draft, but I can't see him staying in. This is one MU needs to be on from the beginning and get a commitment from. he had some injuries last year but is a very good player. Had 5 20+ point games last year.
Hes not projected to be picked in any projections. It's pretty clear he's not an NBA prospect at this point, and that he's just entering "just because" he can. Not worried about that, but am worried that he will be sought after by just about everyone on the market.
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The question will be if Brown can get immediate eligibility. I haven't seen anything to indicate he's a grad transfer as of yet.
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The question will be if Brown can get immediate eligibility. I haven't seen anything to indicate he's a grad transfer as of yet.
Neither have I, that's what I'm trying to figure out
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He's literate?
I had no idea he was able to get access to all of the necessary documents for a waiver and know what is needed to get a waiver. Pretty impressive.
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I had no idea he was able to get access to all of the necessary documents for a waiver and know what is needed to get a waiver. Pretty impressive.
Considering the granting of basketball waivers last year, the publicity of Carton's story, and the support he received from Holtmann and the OSU community, he's as close to a slam dunk waiver as you can get. In this climate, the NCAA would not refuse someone like Carton if they transferred closer to home. If he asks for a waiver, he will get it.
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Brown would be a solid pickup but unless he graduated in three years (or is granted a waiver) he is a sit one play one. Still would be a solid add for a year
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Very solid player
Sit one and play one?
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This just got a whole lot better, fellas. Enjoy this one.
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Considering the granting of basketball waivers last year, the publicity of Carton's story, and the support he received from Holtmann and the OSU community, he's as close to a slam dunk waiver as you can get. In this climate, the NCAA would not refuse someone like Carton if they transferred closer to home. If he asks for a waiver, he will get it.
Guessing we're about to find out...
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For all the arguments, the stress, the obnoxious off-topic posts, the last 5 minutes have been more than worth it. We landed the undisputed #1 transfer in the country, at the position we need most. Savor this one, boys.
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Had a weird feeling he would commit before tonight ceremony and they would announce it or bring him on or something
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Have seen projection of players coming to MU taking them from 78 to .....
What does the Carton commitment do?
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Had a weird feeling he would commit before tonight ceremony and they would announce it or bring him on or something
This is exactly what I was thinking Doc after i saw his instagram post about his decision being made...I said, this sets up perfectly for a Banquet and first day of late signing period commit announcement.
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For all the arguments, the stress, the obnoxious off-topic posts, the last 5 minutes have been more than worth it. We landed the undisputed #1 transfer in the country, at the position we need most. Savor this one, boys.
bingo!
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or media members who have been given access by coaches.
Is that common practice? How does that work, is it a login and password that is shared by coach to media member?
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Is that common practice? How does that work, is it a login and password that is shared by coach to media member?
Member institutions are not supposed to share the information with the media, but they do.
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Just browsed the Gopher board
And they are just as baffled by the interest in the UNLV kid as we are.
Also all are praying they dont get him.
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Just browsed the Gopher board
And they are just as baffled by the interest in the UNLV kid as we are.
Also all are praying they dont get him.
I'm trying to figure it out (assuming Jonah Antonio), maybe it's just that they see him as someone who can take up minutes and doesn't really hurt you. He has decent efficiency, can hit the outside shot (his reputation as a shooter is much better than his actual production though) and doesn't turn it over. He's a very average defender based on Synergy numbers.
If you just need someone to get to a spot and shoot jumpers while holding his own on defense, he can be that guy. My biggest worry is that at MSM, he was a good spot up shooter and great coming off screens and making cuts. Defensively, he was very good. At UNLV, he was a decent spot up shooter and still good but clearly not as good at the things he really excelled at on offense while his defense went from very good to average. This is all easily explained by the step up from the NEC to the Mountain West, but that leads me to believe another step down would be in order from the MWC to the Big East. Though if he's comfortable being a 10-15 mpg guy off the bench at multiple positions, I guess that's okay. Not everyone can be the star.
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With the assumption that we can get Carton eligible for next season, I'd be fine taking a flyer on a guy like Antonio. He doesn't get me excited or anything, but hitting home runs with the final 2 spots are much less important when the previous batter hit a grand slam.
Still would prefer guys with more upside, but I won't complain if a guy like Antonio or Gabe Watson is brought in with one of the two remaining openings.
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I'm trying to figure it out (assuming Jonah Antonio), maybe it's just that they see him as someone who can take up minutes and doesn't really hurt you. He has decent efficiency, can hit the outside shot (his reputation as a shooter is much better than his actual production though) and doesn't turn it over. He's a very average defender based on Synergy numbers.
If you just need someone to get to a spot and shoot jumpers while holding his own on defense, he can be that guy. My biggest worry is that at MSM, he was a good spot up shooter and great coming off screens and making cuts. Defensively, he was very good. At UNLV, he was a decent spot up shooter and still good but clearly not as good at the things he really excelled at on offense while his defense went from very good to average. This is all easily explained by the step up from the NEC to the Mountain West, but that leads me to believe another step down would be in order from the MWC to the Big East. Though if he's comfortable being a 10-15 mpg guy off the bench at multiple positions, I guess that's okay. Not everyone can be the star.
Yeah thats the guy.
But wasnt he like a 32% shooter last year and even worse FG% overall?
Obviously could just be a bad year but I think it was pretty high volume and he was allergic to the line.
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Meh, i guess ive just had my fill of guys that come in from the MWC and are completely overmatched
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https://twitter.com/DavidDejulius/status/1250816064411316225
Not overly surprising, DeJulius to Cinci
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If Carton is eligible, I could live with the current 11 players.
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https://twitter.com/DavidDejulius/status/1250816064411316225
Not overly surprising, DeJulius to Cinci
I am starting to think that the events of Burton and DeJulius had to do a lot with Carton and Wojo "cooling" on them. Turner, not sure. I genuinely think he didn't feel comfortable tranferring to an unknown.
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If Carton is eligible, I could live with the current 11 players.
Need Mane yet, then the roster is set..either hold the last scholly, or give it to a depth piece. But if they get Mane too...HOLY SH*T.
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Need Mane yet, then the roster is set..either hold the last scholly, or give it to a depth piece. But if they get Mane too...HOLY SH*T.
They don't need Mane. Getting one of Turner, Carton or Mane was the big missing piece to build the season around. Getting 2/3 is a "holy sh*t" moment, as you say. Throw in a grad transfer big, and we've basically hit my entire dream wishlist for the offseason.
Assuming Carton eligibility and the incoming class, I am pretty amped about the season.
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I am starting to think that the events of Burton and DeJulius had to do a lot with Carton and Wojo "cooling" on them. Turner, not sure. I genuinely think he didn't feel comfortable tranferring to an unknown.
Not sure about Burton, but I feel that way about DeJulius.
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I'm fine with getting Antonio for spot minutes now that we have Carton in the fold. I'd still prefer a big but if the staff wants to play small ball with Garcia, Oso or Lewis at the 5 when Theo is out then that's fine. My only concern would be if Theo got injured.
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They don't need Mane. Getting one of Turner, Carton or Mane was the big missing piece to build the season around. Getting 2/3 is a "holy sh*t" moment, as you say. Throw in a grad transfer big, and we've basically hit my entire dream wishlist for the offseason.
Assuming Carton eligibility and the incoming class, I am pretty amped about the season.
They NEED Mane if you believe as I do that with him...they could go from being on the NIT bubble(at the start of the offseason), to having a good shot at the tournament(adding Carton), to having a really REALLY special type of year by adding Mane as well. Why stop now?? Tons of momentum..finish it!
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They NEED Mane if you believe as I do that with him...they could go from being on the NIT bubble(at the start of the offseason), to having a good shot at the tournament(adding Carton), to having a really REALLY special type of year by adding Mane as well. Why stop now?? Tons of momentum..finish it!
You knew this was coming.......
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They NEED Mane if you believe as I do that with him...they could go from being on the NIT bubble(at the start of the offseason), to having a good shot at the tournament(adding Carton), to having a really REALLY special type of year by adding Mane as well. Why stop now?? Tons of momentum..finish it!
You are the most predictable human to ever live
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You knew this was coming.......
So, you'd rather not have the potential to have a really special season, and are fine "settling" for whatever this season brings?? Getting Carton was huge, and I have said as much...I'm giddy as hell. That being said, there is still a chance for more...why not take it, if it's there?? Also...they would be better with Carton and Mane as opposed to just with Carton...no denying that.
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So, you'd rather not have the potential to have a really special season, and are fine "settling" for whatever this season brings?? Getting Carton was huge, and I have said as much...I'm giddy as hell. That being said, there is still a chance for more...why not take it, if it's there?? Also...they would be better with Carton and Mane as opposed to just with Carton...no denying that.
We all want Mane. We all know he'd make the team better. We have no impact on whether Mane ends up here.
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They NEED Mane if you believe as I do that with him...they could go from being on the NIT bubble(at the start of the offseason), to having a good shot at the tournament(adding Carton), to having a really REALLY special type of year by adding Mane as well. Why stop now?? Tons of momentum..finish it!
Want and need are very different things. As it stands, with an eligible Carton, I believe this is a tourney team. That isn't settling, that is being very excited about this specific team and roster. That is not to say that it isn't fun to look at the potential of adding another player of Mane' caliber.
We all want Mane to matriculate here. Dawson, Carton and Mane would be ridiculous on the court together. Sure, with Mane the potential is through the roof. But let's not confuse that with "it is a failure of a season if he doesn't come here" (which represents the concept of need, rather than want).
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I am starting to think that the events of Burton and DeJulius had to do a lot with Carton and Wojo "cooling" on them. Turner, not sure. I genuinely think he didn't feel comfortable tranferring to an unknown.
Meh. Unless Carton said he's only coming to MU if he's the only PG they're bringing in this offseason, not sure why Wojo would "cool" on Burton and DeJulius. Obviously we got the best of the three, but if Carton gets his waiver as expected and plays next year, I am sure in his mind he's planning to play for 1 year and then going to the NBA. Or gasp!, his waiver gets denied and he goes pro immediately and never plays for Marquette, either scenario, Marquette could use Burton and/or DeJulius.
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They NEED Mane if you believe as I do that with him...they could go from being on the NIT bubble(at the start of the offseason), to having a good shot at the tournament(adding Carton), to having a really REALLY special type of year by adding Mane as well. Why stop now?? Tons of momentum..finish it!
Never satisfied.
I want Mane - would love to get him. But he's rated in the mid 50's - lower that where Symir was in the same class before reclassifying. Mane could well be a dude next season - he could also put up a season similar to what Symir did as a freshman.
Carton is the prize. Definitely hope we can get Mane, but I don't think it moves the needle THAT much more assuming Carton gets a waiver.
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With the assumption that we can get Carton eligible for next season, I'd be fine taking a flyer on a guy like Antonio. He doesn't get me excited or anything, but hitting home runs with the final 2 spots are much less important when the previous batter hit a grand slam.
Still would prefer guys with more upside, but I won't complain if a guy like Antonio or Gabe Watson is brought in with one of the two remaining openings.
The class is pretty stacked now. A lot of 3* guys might be scared of committing, so if Antonio is a good team guy, that would be a good addition.
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The class is pretty stacked now. A lot of 3* guys might be scared of committing, so if Antonio is a good team guy, that would be a good addition.
Outside of Mane, and perhaps a 2021 player reclassifying, I agree that the last two spots are unlikely to go to additional freshman. Totally fine finding a team first role-playing grad transfer type, and then using the last spot on a traditional sit-out transfer to balance the classes.
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So now that we got Carton, who have we’ve been mentioned with.
Incoming Freshman: Mane
Transfers: Jonah Antonio
These are the ones off the top of my head without digging deep into all the nonsense can someone help fill in the other options for final 2 spots.
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Never satisfied.
I want Mane - would love to get him. But he's rated in the mid 50's - lower that where Symir was in the same class before reclassifying. Mane could well be a dude next season - he could also put up a season similar to what Symir did as a freshman.
Carton is the prize. Definitely hope we can get Mane, but I don't think it moves the needle THAT much more assuming Carton gets a waiver.
I would love to get Mane. However, getting him makes me think it will raise next year's expectations so high that it is unlikely posters will be happy at the end of season.
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I would love to get Mane. However, getting him makes me think it will raise next year's expectations so high that it is unlikely posters will be happy at the end of season.
I don't think you really care about that, do you? I sure don't. Some folks are never happy.
Mane would be a great get, and I'd love it if he selects our alma mater, but this already has been an outstanding recruiting haul for our coach and our program. Better than outstanding, really.
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Yeah thats the guy.
But wasnt he like a 32% shooter last year and even worse FG% overall?
Obviously could just be a bad year but I think it was pretty high volume and he was allergic to the line.
LOL at the allergic to the line comment, very true. Dude went 3/7 at the charity stripe despite 186 FG attempts.
He's pretty much ONLY a three point shooter. 168/186 FGA were from beyond the arc. I think his spot up numbers are in the 72nd percentile because they are virtually all threes (increases the ppp as opposed to guys who spot up inside the arc) and he shoots a bit better percentage on spot-up threes (33.8%). Conversely, he sucks at transition threes, hitting just 6/25 (24%) which drags his overall 3PFG% down.
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I don't think you really care about that, do you? I sure don't. Some folks are never happy.
Mane would be a great get, and I'd love it if he selects our alma mater, but this already has been an outstanding recruiting haul for our coach and our program. Better than outstanding, really.
I want Mane and would take him in a heartbeat, so do not get me wrong on that point.
I do care about unreasonable expectations.
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LOL at the allergic to the line comment, very true. Dude went 3/7 at the charity stripe despite 186 FG attempts.
He's pretty much ONLY a three point shooter. 168/186 FGA were from beyond the arc. I think his spot up numbers are in the 72nd percentile because they are virtually all threes (increases the ppp as opposed to guys who spot up inside the arc) and he shoots a bit better percentage on spot-up threes (33.8%). Conversely, he sucks at transition threes, hitting just 6/25 (24%) which drags his overall 3PFG% down.
Wow. Considering Jake Thomas went to the FT Line 46 times, that's saying something. This guy doesn't comp out as well as Jake Thomas. Jake took 35 2 pt shots his senior year. 172 3's that he hit at 39% clip.
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I would love to get Mane. However, getting him makes me think it will raise next year's expectations so high that it is unlikely posters will be happy at the end of season.
Great news lately but still going to be an NIT year. Hope I'm wrong but Wojo's got a young team.
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Great news lately but still going to be an NIT year. Hope I'm wrong but Wojo's got a young team.
Your expectations are reasonable, because we easily could do better. Expectations that are so high that they are virtually unachievable are a problem.
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I'm trying to figure it out (assuming Jonah Antonio), maybe it's just that they see him as someone who can take up minutes and doesn't really hurt you. He has decent efficiency, can hit the outside shot (his reputation as a shooter is much better than his actual production though) and doesn't turn it over. He's a very average defender based on Synergy numbers.
If you just need someone to get to a spot and shoot jumpers while holding his own on defense, he can be that guy. My biggest worry is that at MSM, he was a good spot up shooter and great coming off screens and making cuts. Defensively, he was very good. At UNLV, he was a decent spot up shooter and still good but clearly not as good at the things he really excelled at on offense while his defense went from very good to average. This is all easily explained by the step up from the NEC to the Mountain West, but that leads me to believe another step down would be in order from the MWC to the Big East. Though if he's comfortable being a 10-15 mpg guy off the bench at multiple positions, I guess that's okay. Not everyone can be the star.
Antonio was playing with an injured shooting hand at UNLV. The hope is that if healthy, he could be a good shooter. Don't think we are still involved though.
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So now that we got Carton, who have we’ve been mentioned with.
Incoming Freshman: Mane
Transfers: Jonah Antonio
These are the ones off the top of my head without digging deep into all the nonsense can someone help fill in the other options for final 2 spots.
I think this is the full list, though there are new names being added daily.
Karim Mane (freshman) PG
Jalen Carey (Cuse transfer; sit 1; play 2) PG
Darius Perry (Louisville grad) PG
Gabe Watson (Southern Miss; sit 1, play 2) G
Jonah Antonio (UNLV grad) SG
Only uncommitted grad transfers on Goodman's top 40 lists are Haarms (Purdue), Darius Perry (Louisville - Marquette on his list), Drew Buggs (Hawaii), Quan Jackson (Georgia Southern), Jair Bolden (So Carolina), Ryan Betley (Penn), Evan COle (Georgia Tech), and Justin Kier (George Mason). I believe the only one we've been mentioned with is Darius Perry, but that ship may have sailed with Carton.
Traditional trasnfer wise - beyond Carey, someone like Wake Forest guard Chaundee Brown could make some sense. Looks like he'd be a sit 1, play 1. Just announced his transfer yesterday.
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Brian Snow
@BSnow247
Have heard from more than a few sources that football is pushing for immediate transfer eligibility more than basketball. AD's want it, football at least seems to want it, and recent football transfers indicate a lot think it will happen.
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So, you'd rather not have the potential to have a really special season, and are fine "settling" for whatever this season brings?? Getting Carton was huge, and I have said as much...I'm giddy as hell. That being said, there is still a chance for more...why not take it, if it's there?? Also...they would be better with Carton and Mane as opposed to just with Carton...no denying that.
Of course I want the potential to have a really special season, we all do. No one wants to "settle".
But to say we NEED Mane is just par-for-the-course for you. You're setting yourself up for a letdown ala Justin Turner. We could get Mane and it would be fantastic, but don't get irrational and say it's a NECESSITY and a FAILURE if we don't get him. Yesterday was huge, let's celebrate that for 2 minutes.
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If Mane says tomorrow he's coming to Marquette, guru will find somebody else to NEED. But that's OK ... at least he has passion for the program.
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I think this is the full list, though there are new names being added daily.
Karim Mane (freshman) PG
Jalen Carey (Cuse transfer; sit 1; play 2) PG
Darius Perry (Louisville grad) PG
Gabe Watson (Southern Miss; sit 1, play 2) G
Jonah Antonio (UNLV grad) SG
Only uncommitted grad transfers on Goodman's top 40 lists are Haarms (Purdue), Darius Perry (Louisville - Marquette on his list), Drew Buggs (Hawaii), Quan Jackson (Georgia Southern), Jair Bolden (So Carolina), Ryan Betley (Penn), Evan COle (Georgia Tech), and Justin Kier (George Mason). I believe the only one we've been mentioned with is Darius Perry, but that ship may have sailed with Carton.
Traditional trasnfer wise - beyond Carey, someone like Wake Forest guard Chaundee Brown could make some sense. Looks like he'd be a sit 1, play 1. Just announced his transfer yesterday.
There's also the JUCO we were in contact with, El Ellis Jr
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https://www.vivathematadors.com/2020/4/16/21223909/breaking-russel-tchewa-enters-his-name-into-transfer-portal-ncaatransfer-texastech
Future plans at C once Theo leaves, unless Garcia, and Lewis take over the role full time. Seems pretty raw, but you can't teach being 7'-0", and sitting out a year would probably do his development some good. We would still have an opening even if Mane comes, so you could do worse than an athletic project center.
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https://www.vivathematadors.com/2020/4/16/21223909/breaking-russel-tchewa-enters-his-name-into-transfer-portal-ncaatransfer-texastech
Future plans at C once Theo leaves, unless Garcia, and Lewis take over the role full time. Seems pretty raw, but you can't teach being 7'-0", and sitting out a year would probably do his development some good. We would still have an opening even if Mane comes, so you could do worse than an athletic project center.
Beard-trimming.
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There's also the JUCO we were in contact with, El Ellis Jr
HE was a 20-21, no?
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Beard-trimming.
Lol, that article said TTU roster was over by 3 scholarships before that transfer. Some people here would be losing their mind if Wojo did that.
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https://www.vivathematadors.com/2020/4/16/21223909/breaking-russel-tchewa-enters-his-name-into-transfer-portal-ncaatransfer-texastech
Future plans at C once Theo leaves, unless Garcia, and Lewis take over the role full time. Seems pretty raw, but you can't teach being 7'-0", and sitting out a year would probably do his development some good. We would still have an opening even if Mane comes, so you could do worse than an athletic project center.
That's a big boy. Can't hurt, right?
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Of course I want the potential to have a really special season, we all do. No one wants to "settle".
But to say we NEED Mane is just par-for-the-course for you. You're setting yourself up for a letdown ala Justin Turner. We could get Mane and it would be fantastic, but don't get irrational and say it's a NECESSITY and a FAILURE if we don't get him. Yesterday was huge, let's celebrate that for 2 minutes.
I implore you to show me where I said it would be a failure to not get him. You can't, because I NEVER said that, but thanks for lying. Having a chance at a special season includes getting/needing Mane. That was the whole jist of my saying "need" Mane yet. Carton was a HUGE pull. The out look for next year(assuming he's eligible) changed dramatically, with just Carton. But in order for the season to be special(like i would like to see it be), they NEED Mane. Am I clear??
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Lol, that article said TTU roster was over by 3 scholarships before that transfer. Some people here would be losing their mind if Wojo did that.
Some people would also be losing their mind (in a good way) if Wojo got us to the national title game. What’s that got to do with the price of tea in China?
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Lol, that article said TTU roster was over by 3 scholarships before that transfer. Some people here would be losing their mind if Wojo did that.
Cream oversigned. The scoop world kept turning.
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https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1250508816912920579
Adam Zagoria
@AdamZagoria
There are 788 kids in the NCAA Transfer Portal as of today, a D-1 coach tells me.
Seven hundred eighty-eight.
Not sure if people saw this tweet from yesterday.
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https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1250508816912920579
Adam Zagoria
@AdamZagoria
There are 788 kids in the NCAA Transfer Portal as of today, a D-1 coach tells me.
Seven hundred eighty-eight.
Not sure if people saw this tweet from yesterday.
I saw it and shrugged. I don't get why this is an issue. So players are looking for better situations. Seems like a good thing. Hope they all find situations that make them happy, or at least happier than they were.
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https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1250508816912920579
Adam Zagoria
@AdamZagoria
There are 788 kids in the NCAA Transfer Portal as of today, a D-1 coach tells me.
Seven hundred eighty-eight.
Not sure if people saw this tweet from yesterday.
Adam can spell numbers? Who knew?
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Kentucky taking a page out of the Herman Cain recruiting playbook. They're taking on Jacob Toppin as a traditional transfer after a very unspectacular (not bad just not that inspiring) year at Rhode Island. Hoping the bloodlines will turn into results.
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Kentucky taking a page out of the Herman Cain recruiting playbook. They're taking on Jacob Toppin as a traditional transfer after a very unspectacular (not bad just not that inspiring) year at Rhode Island. Hoping the bloodlines will turn into results.
They need some bodies right now to fill out the bench, he will be one of them. Cal is really into rebuilding next year, top 6 gone, wow, but I bet he will get them into
the tourny as usual. If MU gets Mane, then it will be interesting to see how both programs do. MU will have some depth with experience, but the coaching, we will
see. Both programs will have many new starters! MU could have 4, but probably 3.
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They need some bodies right now to fill out the bench, he will be one of them. Cal is really into rebuilding next year, top 6 gone, wow, but I bet he will get them into
the tourny as usual. If MU gets Mane, then it will be interesting to see how both programs do. MU will have some depth with experience, but the coaching, we will
see. Both programs will have many new starters! MU could have 4, but probably 3.
Koby and Theo nearly a lock to start in Nov. I’d say Bailey will start too.
If DJC plays S5 should be DJ, Koby, BB, Dawson, Theo.
First off the bench took me a min but I’d say Jamal and Greg, with Sy and JLew right there. Oso and Dex lighter minutes.
So many guys with high upside its great though. Markus saying Dex was first in the gym shooting jumpers with him, oso looking like he is improving by the day, Jamal with the ability to have a huge breakout year as an upper classman with extra minutes, Sy looking like he can be a great pure pg, Lewis a potential huge fan favorite...a lot of solid options
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There's a Jon Rothstein tweet from this morning (on my work laptop so can't link) speaking about waivers and that he could see a number of 2021 guys re-classifying to 2020. Anyone that we're involved with that fits this mold?
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There's a Jon Rothstein tweet from this morning (on my work laptop so can't link) speaking about waivers and that he could see a number of 2021 guys re-classifying to 2020. Anyone that we're involved with that fits this mold?
https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/1251156409804140557?s=21
This tweet?
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There's a Jon Rothstein tweet from this morning (on my work laptop so can't link) speaking about waivers and that he could see a number of 2021 guys re-classifying to 2020. Anyone that we're involved with that fits this mold?
I can't for the life of me find it, but someone posted a link a few days ago in either this thread or the recruiting one of a Junior PF/C (class of 2021) who was considering reclassifying to 2020 and had Marquette on his list.
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I can't for the life of me find it, but someone posted a link a few days ago in either this thread or the recruiting one of a Junior PF/C (class of 2021) who was considering reclassifying to 2020 and had Marquette on his list.
Michael Foster Jr.
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Michael Foster Jr.
Nah, wasn't Foster. I'll try to find it again.
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Nah, wasn't Foster. I'll try to find it again.
Hmm. Well, we are on his list, he has visited, and he is debating reclassifying.
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Nah, wasn't Foster. I'll try to find it again.
I think you're talking about Mac Etienne??
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So the NCAA is going to let players that are potentially not academically eligible skip their last year of HS so they can be eligible right away?
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I think you're talking about Mac Etienne??
YES! THANK YOU, GURU!
Here's the article:
https://www.zagsblog.com/2020/04/13/mac-etienne-50-50-on-reclassifying-talks-recent-offers/ (https://www.zagsblog.com/2020/04/13/mac-etienne-50-50-on-reclassifying-talks-recent-offers/)
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So the NCAA is going to let players that are potentially not academically eligible skip their last year of HS so they can be eligible right away?
Yah, not sure I follow the logic on why this would lead to a bunch of reclassifying.
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https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1250508816912920579
Adam Zagoria
@AdamZagoria
There are 788 kids in the NCAA Transfer Portal as of today, a D-1 coach tells me.
Seven hundred eighty-eight.
Sew yar seyin' ders a chance Woj brings another dude on board, hey?
Not sure if people saw this tweet from yesterday.
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I saw it and shrugged. I don't get why this is an issue. So players are looking for better situations. Seems like a good thing. Hope they all find situations that make them happy, or at least happier than they were.
Me too.
It's college sports. A lot of people are constantly looking for the next great opportunity -- players, assistant coaches, coaches, athletic directors, etc. In the past (and still for right now until the rule is changed), only players were unfairly locked in.
Another note on this: 788 ... and not a one of them trying to escape the worst program run by the worst coach in history. (At least not yet.)
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Doctor if Koby is considered a "lock" to start, this team will not be good!
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https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/1251156409804140557?s=21
This tweet?
Yep, that was it.
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YES! THANK YOU, GURU!
Here's the article:
https://www.zagsblog.com/2020/04/13/mac-etienne-50-50-on-reclassifying-talks-recent-offers/ (https://www.zagsblog.com/2020/04/13/mac-etienne-50-50-on-reclassifying-talks-recent-offers/)
Some highlights from the article:
Etienne has taken two of his official visits thus far, with the first coming to Marquette in October.
“Marquette is a great school. I have a great relationship with the coaches and it’s a real family feel,” he said. “I hung out with the team a lot. They said that I would almost be replacing Theo [John].”
“They play in a great conference, the Big East. They’re one of the top-25 teams in the country. Marquette is a great school. I love it there.”
and
Etienne broke down what he’s looking for when choosing a school:
“I definitely want to go to a school with a great point guard because that can really affect how their bigs play,” he said. “That’s how you can really win a national championship.”
“I want a family-feel and I want it to be like a home away from home,” Etienne said. “I want to try and win the national championship, that’s something I really want to do.”
“Also, a great education. If I can get a great education while I’m playing basketball then I feel like I should take that opportunity,” he said. “Even if you leave early for the NBA Draft, you still have a scholarship and can still take classes to get your degree. I really like how the NCAA implemented that.”
Certainly seems like Marquette checks a lot of his boxes. Seems like the Carton commit could be a good selling point for Etienne. If he were to reclassify and commit that would answer a lot of folks concerns about Theo's backup.
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Was it Michael Forster or Kendall Brown that called out MU about a month ago on not reaching out to him and then wojo scheduled a visit?
A surprise commitment from either of those two would be incredible.
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Was it Michael Forster or Kendall Brown that called out MU about a month ago on not reaching out to him and then wojo scheduled a visit?
A surprise commitment from either of those two would be incredible.
Foster.
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Some highlights from the article:
and
Certainly seems like Marquette checks a lot of his boxes. Seems like the Carton commit could be a good selling point for Etienne. If he were to reclassify and commit that would answer a lot of folks concerns about Theo's backup.
If Etienne reclassifies and MU lands him that would be a huge get. Top 60 guy comes in to split minutes with Theo for one year then can assume the starting role his sophomore year.
Mane and Etienne is a pipe dream but it'd certainly be fun.
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Was it Michael Forster or Kendall Brown that called out MU about a month ago on not reaching out to him and then wojo scheduled a visit?
A surprise commitment from either of those two would be incredible.
It was Foster.
Kendall Brown has been on campus twice now, I believe. Seems to be friends with Dawson Garcia as well.
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It was Foster.
Kendall Brown has been on campus twice now, I believe. Seems to be friends with Dawson Garcia as well.
Feels like we're currently in a great spot with Brown, and he's no doubt my #1 hope for 2021. I wonder how much the Stan departure plays a role in his recruitment (ala Jalen Bridges dropping us once Nelson left): hopefully we don't lose much ground on it.
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Got to admit I'm intrigued
https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1251225503828148226?s=20
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They need some bodies right now to fill out the bench, he will be one of them. Cal is really into rebuilding next year, top 6 gone, wow, but I bet he will get them into
the tourny as usual. If MU gets Mane, then it will be interesting to see how both programs do. MU will have some depth with experience, but the coaching, we will
see. Both programs will have many new starters! MU could have 4, but probably 3.
Given all the talent Cal has had at Kentucky, I am not sure I would claim he is a better game coach than Wojo.
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So the NCAA is going to let players that are potentially not academically eligible skip their last year of HS so they can be eligible right away?
I think it is very likely that if you got all your core classes in that you would qualify to graduate. Maybe you need summer school to get it completely done. Since players were are ready reclassifying the only thing that changed is that you do not have to take the ACT test.
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Back up for Theo??
Jeff Borzello
@jeffborzello
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Oregon sophomore Francis Okoro is transferring, sources told ESPN. Started 40 games over the last two seasons, averaged 3.3 points and 4.2 rebounds last season. Former top-60 prospect.
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Jake
@jakeweingarten
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DePaul just offered UNLV graduate transfer Jonah Antonio, a source told @Stockrisers
. One of the top-rated graduate transfers available.
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Jake
@jakeweingarten
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DePaul just offered UNLV graduate transfer Jonah Antonio, a source told @Stockrisers
. One of the top-rated graduate transfers available.
You just know that DePaul is gonna sign this guy and he's gonna stink most of the time but light us up for 21 points going 7-for-9 from 3.
How's that, guru? I can "why does everything bad happen to MU" a little, too! 8-)
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You just know that DePaul is gonna sign this guy and he's gonna stink most of the time but light us up for 21 points going 7-for-9 from 3.
How's that, guru? I can "why does everything bad happen to MU" a little, too! 8-)
Sadly, that probably isn't far from the truth! >:(
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Given all the talent Cal has had at Kentucky, I am not sure I would claim he is a better game coach than Wojo.
One thing we know for sure is that Cal didn't foul up 3 in the national title game when he was at Memphis.
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One thing we know for sure is that Cal didn't foul up 3 in the national title game when he was at Memphis.
Any record of Cal intentionally fouling with 10 seconds left in a tie game?
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Any record of Cal intentionally fouling with 10 seconds left in a tie game?
LOL. Legit had to be one of the only handful of times it's ever happened if not the only time. A true black swan event!
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Any record of Cal intentionally fouling with 10 seconds left in a tie game?
I literally spit my beer out just now!
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Any record of Cal intentionally fouling with 10 seconds left in a tie game?
Made me laugh, my friend.
I also don't think Cal ever screamed for one of his players to foul up 4, either. That Wojo-riffic moment was about as dopey as the other one.
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Any record of Cal intentionally fouling with 10 seconds left in a tie game?
Well, there is a record of Jim Valvano intentionally fouling in a tie game in the national title. It was a pretty pivotal move in helping them come out with arguably the biggest upset in the history of the NCAA Tournament until UMBC beat UVA.
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Any record of Cal intentionally fouling with 10 seconds left in a tie game?
Lol almost spit out my drink.
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You just know that DePaul is gonna sign this guy and he's gonna stink most of the time but light us up for 21 points going 7-for-9 from 3.
How's that, guru? I can "why does everything bad happen to MU" a little, too! 8-)
Seriously - first thing I thought of.
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One thing we know for sure is that Cal didn't foul up 3 in the national title game when he was at Memphis.
He would have won a title...only to be removed a few years later.
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Got to admit I'm intrigued
https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1251225503828148226?s=20
Hopefully he transfers to Arizona State to team up with Remy Martin.
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Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
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Butler has landed South Carolina transfer Jair Bolden, he told @Stadium
.
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Got to admit I'm intrigued
https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1251225503828148226?s=20
I believe Lincoln Memorial is known as the Rail-Splitters, Great nickname
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Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
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17m
Butler has landed South Carolina transfer Jair Bolden, he told @Stadium
.
Thought he would have been a great fit at MU
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I'm all in on MU but there is a reason Cal makes 3 or 4 times what Wojo makes.
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LOL. Legit had to be one of the only handful of times it's ever happened if not the only time. A true black swan event!
The odd thing about it was that it allowed us to hit a three to send the game into overtime, if I am remembering correctly.
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Back up for Theo??
Jeff Borzello
@jeffborzello
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5m
Oregon sophomore Francis Okoro is transferring, sources told ESPN. Started 40 games over the last two seasons, averaged 3.3 points and 4.2 rebounds last season. Former top-60 prospect.
Perfect Jayce replacement. Monster rebounding percentages, especially on the offensive end, can block some shots, and can't hit a free throw to save his life.
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Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
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17m
Butler has landed South Carolina transfer Jair Bolden, he told @Stadium
.
Nice get.
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Well, there is a record of Jim Valvano intentionally fouling in a tie game in the national title. It was a pretty pivotal move in helping them come out with arguably the biggest upset in the history of the NCAA Tournament until UMBC beat UVA.
Yep. No shot clock, 45 seconds left, huge favorite Houston holding for one to win the game. Valvano fouls a 63% Ft shooting freshman to shoot a one and one. And V did it on purpose, as part of his strategy. We fouled an 81% ft shooter in the double bonus with 10 seconds left. And Wojo did it because he didn’t know what the score of the game was.
Not remotely the same. Try again.
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Yep. No shot clock, 45 seconds left, huge favorite Houston holding for one to win the game. Valvano fouls a 63% Ft shooting freshman to shoot a one and one. And V did it on purpose, as part of his strategy. We fouled an 81% ft shooter in the double bonus with 10 seconds left. And Wojo did it because he didn’t know what the score of the game was.
Not remotely the same. Try again.
Ahh. So wasn’t just about fouling in a tie game.
Also, might want to look how much time was left when Bailey fouled Baldwin. Wasn’t 10 seconds.
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Ahh. So wasn’t just about fouling in a tie game.
Also, might want to look how much time was left when Bailey fouled Baldwin. Wasn’t 10 seconds.
Don't believe they were in the double bonus either.
Still an awful mistake, though.
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YES! THANK YOU, GURU!
Here's the article:
https://www.zagsblog.com/2020/04/13/mac-etienne-50-50-on-reclassifying-talks-recent-offers/ (https://www.zagsblog.com/2020/04/13/mac-etienne-50-50-on-reclassifying-talks-recent-offers/)
I knew it was this kid, i was trying to find his name earlier just couldn't think of it lol
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Ahh. So wasn’t just about fouling in a tie game.
Also, might want to look how much time was left when Bailey fouled Baldwin. Wasn’t 10 seconds.
C'mon wades ... there's no defending that boneheaded situation by Wojo. Coaches mess up sometimes, and that truly was an embarrassing one for him.
The fact that Lenny is obsessed with it because he seemingly has decided that it is the biggest mistake any coach in history has ever made -- even though it actually didn't cost us the game -- that's another deal entirely.
But it was a mistake that no coach should make, and Wojo made it.
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C'mon wades ... there's no defending that boneheaded situation by Wojo. Coaches mess up sometimes, and that truly was an embarrassing one for him.
The fact that Lenny is obsessed with it because he seemingly has decided that it is the biggest mistake any coach in history has ever made -- even though it actually didn't cost us the game -- that's another deal entirely.
But it was a mistake that no coach should make, and Wojo made it.
Right. And that inexcusable mistake put us in a spot to win the game in regulation, when the best case scenario if that inexcusable mistake hadn’t been made was overtime, which we ended up in.
But that’s neither here nor there. He asked if Cal had ever done that. He hadn’t. But Jim Valvano did it and it won him a national title.
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Right. And that inexcusable mistake put us in a spot to win the game in regulation, when the best case scenario if that inexcusable mistake hadn’t been made was overtime, which we ended up in.
But that’s neither here nor there. He asked if Cal had ever done that. He hadn’t. But Jim Valvano did it and it won him a national title.
All true.
But I don't think the best defense of a coach's competence is that he almost lucked out after making what even he admitted was a boneheaded mistake.
So Lenny was right about Wojo screwing up. And you're right about Valvano. And I'm right about Cal. We can all be right. How smart we all are!
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Eye'm alweys write, aina?
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The fact that Lenny is obsessed with it
The fact that I’m obsessed? If 8 or 10 posts on a subject factually proves an obsession there are very few opinions on Scoop and a boatload of factually proven obsessions.
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Fouling in a tie game when you have a 40% chance to win is the right decision if the foul shooter is under 68% (I think). Again, right to foul, but they also fouled the wrong guy. Jordan Sperber had an excellent podcast with the USF coach about this scenario, a couple of months ago. The coach thought Wojo made the right call.
Anyway, speaking of Sperber, his newsletter on transfers this week was excellent, as per usual. Guys transferring up, usage rate and minutes go down. Getting to the foul line goes down as well. The two things that hold up: rebounding and blocks. Realize Jayce was more of an angled transfer up, but getting an impact player from a mid major is hard to find. Value can be found though in big guys.
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Fouling in a tie game when you have a 40% chance to win is the right decision if the foul shooter is under 68% (I think). Again, right to foul, but they also fouled the wrong guy. Jordan Sperber had an excellent podcast with the USF coach about this scenario, a couple of months ago. The coach thought Wojo made the right call.
Wojo himself admitted error and not because who was fouled. Yet it’s still defended here. Unreal.
Do you think there’s maybe a reason it’s never practiced?
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By the way, which USF, that could be San Francisco or South Florida. If South Florida, then it’s Brian Gregory. One of the few coaches who managed to lose to Wojo’s first team, arguably our worst team post Al era.
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Wojo himself admitted error and not because who was fouled. Yet it’s still defended here. Unreal.
Do you think there’s maybe a reason it’s never practiced?
Because coaches are naturally conservative. Same reason football teams punt on 4th and 1 from the opponents 40.
Personally, I'd be fine if Wojo fouled with the intent to go for the win in regulation. The problem is Wojo was completely unaware of the score-time situation and picked a strategy for the wrong reasons.
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Any news on transfers?
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Any news on transfers?
Why would there be a discussion of transfers in the transfer thread?
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Egos are at stake here! Forget the thread title!
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Not that MU was seriously interested, but Gabe Watson off the board to Tulane. MU reached out at one point.
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Not that MU was seriously interested, but Gabe Watson off the board to Tulane. MU reached out at one point.
That’s a good place for him
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Not sure if it was mentioned, but Jair Bolden committed time butler
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Andrew Slater
@Andrew__Slater
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6’5” Jose Perez @showout_zayy15 will transfer from Gardner-Webb. The sophomore averaged 15 points, 6.6 rebounds & 4.3 assists. Big South.
The Blue Ribbon preseason Big South POY will have 2 years remaining of eligibility...
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Andrew Slater
@Andrew__Slater
· 34m
6’5” Jose Perez @showout_zayy15 will transfer from Gardner-Webb. The sophomore averaged 15 points, 6.6 rebounds & 4.3 assists. Big South.
The Blue Ribbon preseason Big South POY will have 2 years remaining of eligibility...
No idea how good, bad or mediocre this young man's game will translate to moving up. But Rowsey came out of the Big South and did A-OK in the Big East.
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No idea how good, bad or mediocre this young man's game will translate to moving up. But Rowsey came out of the Big South and did A-OK in the Big East.
The kid is a stud...I'd say he's done well against Major competition
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Thanks for those stats, guru. Sounds like a guy we should get in on.
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Wojo himself admitted error and not because who was fouled. Yet it’s still defended here. Unreal.
Do you think there’s maybe a reason it’s never practiced?
Yes, he admitted the error. He didn’t hide from it, he owned up to the mistake. Move on.
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The kid is a stud...I'd say he's done well against Major competition
Raw numbers can definitely be deceiving. In their 4 games against high-majors last year, he did average 10 ppg, but did so on 12/51 (23.5%) shooting, including 5/22 (22.8%) beyond the arc. His adjusted offensive rating overall was 94.7, but that dropped to 91.3 against Tier A/B competition and just 76.5 against Tier A competition per kenpom.
He did really well in those games the year before, so he has shown flashes of ability, but he's a pretty high usage, low efficiency guy. He might be an okay bench option, but he's no Andrew Rowsey.
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Raw numbers can definitely be deceiving. In their 4 games against high-majors last year, he did average 10 ppg, but did so on 12/51 (23.5%) shooting, including 5/22 (22.8%) beyond the arc. His adjusted offensive rating overall was 94.7, but that dropped to 91.3 against Tier A/B competition and just 76.5 against Tier A competition per kenpom.
He did really well in those games the year before, so he has shown flashes of ability, but he's a pretty high usage, low efficiency guy. He might be an okay bench option, but he's no Andrew Rowsey.
However, he is significantly taller so he should be better on defense than Rowsey.
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However, he is significantly taller so he should be better on defense than Rowsey.
So is Yous Mbao, but I'm not sure the bolded is really an accomplishment. ;D
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Darius Banks who we kicked the tires on a while ago ends up at Chattanooga. If he had been immediately eligible then maybe he would have been worth a flyer but as a sit 1, play 1, I didn't see the appeal
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At this point I think the staff should hope for Etiene (sp) and Mane and not give out a scholarship they might wish they had.
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Sorry if this has been posted
@WisBBYearbook: Former Milwaukee Riverside wing Terrance Lewis (6-5) will transfer from Iowa State to South Alabama. Lewis will sit out one year and play one year at South Alabama.
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Sorry if this has been posted
@WisBBYearbook: Former Milwaukee Riverside wing Terrance Lewis (6-5) will transfer from Iowa State to South Alabama. Lewis will sit out one year and play one year at South Alabama.
Lots of angst when he didn’t commit to MU due to his AAU coach being Dwayne Wilson’s dad.
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Lots of angst when he didn’t commit to MU due to his AAU coach being Dwayne Wilson’s dad.
Think it’s spelled Duane
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Lots of angst when he didn’t commit to MU due to his AAU coach being Dwayne Wilson’s dad.
I admit, he was one I was hoping Marquette got.
His number have gotten consistently better year-to-year but his minutes were wildly inconsistent and had a lot of DNP.
Hope his last year at South Alabama works out
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Think it’s spelled Duane
You are 100% correct.
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Jon Rothstein
@JonRothstein
Memphis guard Tyler Harris will transfer, per his Twitter page.
Sounds like in reading the Memphis board, Penny is running him off because they are getting a commit from Landers Nolley tomorrow
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Back up for Theo??
Jeff Borzello
@jeffborzello
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Oregon sophomore Francis Okoro is transferring, sources told ESPN. Started 40 games over the last two seasons, averaged 3.3 points and 4.2 rebounds last season. Former top-60 prospect.
He is Nigerian, time for Ike to talk him about MU, even if he sits for a year, would have a chance to start in 2 years. Rather have Etienne but need somebody with
some muscle.
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Borzello confirming Marquette has been in contact with Gardner-Webb transfer Jose Perez. Along with 30+ other schools.
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Borzello confirming Marquette has been in contact with Gardner-Webb transfer Jose Perez. Along with 30+ other schools.
Specifically listed Marquette, Memphis, Depaul, Mizzou, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Iowa St, Rd Island, SJU, Tulsa, New Mexico, BYU, Illinois, Dayton and San Diego.
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Borzello confirming Marquette has been in contact with Gardner-Webb transfer Jose Perez. Along with 30+ other schools.
Was just about to post this...would love this get...because A. He's a sit out guy so it has zero affect on Mane. B. IF they pass the one year transfer rule, maybe MU could convince him to sit a year, or maybe he's willing to. The kid can play, but if he wants to be eligible this year...pass.
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Zach Braziller
@NYPost_Brazille
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Seton Hall PG Anthony Nelson is transferring, per source. #shbb. Pirates now have two open scholarships.
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Was just about to post this...would love this get...because A. He's a sit out guy so it has zero affect on Mane. B. IF they pass the one year transfer rule, maybe MU could convince him to sit a year, or maybe he's willing to. The kid can play, but if he wants to be eligible this year...pass.
I mean...why pass? We have two open scholarships, and Mane is really the only guy we appear to have that could be considered somewhat close.
That being said, unless the NCAA gives blanket waivers (seems unlikely IMO), I don't see why Perez would be a candidate for an immediate play waiver.
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I mean...why pass? We have two open scholarships, and Mane is really the only guy we appear to have that could be considered somewhat close.
That being said, unless the NCAA gives blanket waivers (seems unlikely IMO), I don't see why Perez would be a candidate for an immediate play waiver.
I'd pass if he wants to be eligible right now, because another Guard(regardless of talent), COULD give Mane more reason to look elsewhere. You just don't know what these kids want or are looking for. You are correct, the only way he'd be eligible I think is the one time transfer rule passing. That's why I'd LOVE this get if he is for 2021 and right now he would be.
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By the way, which USF, that could be San Francisco or South Florida. If South Florida, then it’s Brian Gregory. One of the few coaches who managed to lose to Wojo’s first team, arguably our worst team post Al era.
Todd Golden- San Francisco. Here’s the link: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/solving-basketball/id1437341073?i=1000463915611
Everyone should check it out.
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I'd pass if he wants to be eligible right now, because another Guard(regardless of talent), COULD give Mane more reason to look elsewhere. You just don't know what these kids want or are looking for. You are correct, the only way he'd be eligible I think is the one time transfer rule passing. That's why I'd LOVE this get if he is for 2021 and right now he would be.
All things being considered, I'd probably take the older and more experienced player if I was choosing between Mane and Perez for next season. Total hypothetical obviously, as I feel like Perez is likely to have to sit out, and don't think we'd need to "chose" between the two.
Mane would be great. I hope we land him. But I don't think he's going to make quite the impact some here think he will as a freshman. I am sure he's really good, but Symir was ranked higher in the same class before reclassifying, and while I feel like Symir will be a really good cbb player at some point, he wasn't a difference maker as a freshman by any stretch. Plus, Mane seems so married to going pro, and since he's already 20 years old, if the choice was 2 years of a proven college player (Perez) over 1 for sure year of Mane (then who knows?) who seems more focused on playing professionally, I'd probably lean Perez.
Again, don't really think its an either or, and Mane is far from a slamdunk to go to MU.
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I mean...why pass? We have two open scholarships, and Mane is really the only guy we appear to have that could be considered somewhat close.
That being said, unless the NCAA gives blanket waivers (seems unlikely IMO), I don't see why Perez would be a candidate for an immediate play waiver.
I'd pass because I'm not convinced Perez is a high-major player. Low efficiency player who was miserable against Tier A opponents last year.
If they look to fill one, I'd prefer Okoro or McCauley.
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I mean...why pass? We have two open scholarships, and Mane is really the only guy we appear to have that could be considered somewhat close.
That being said, unless the NCAA gives blanket waivers (seems unlikely IMO), I don't see why Perez would be a candidate for an immediate play waiver.
Maybe Mac Etienne too?
I don't know why I have this feeling he'll reclassify to 2020.
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I'd pass because I'm not convinced Perez is a high-major player. Low efficiency player who was miserable against Tier A opponents last year.
If they look to fill one, I'd prefer Okoro or McCauley.
I agree, Okoro would be my choice...I like McCauley as well, kid can really shoot it.
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Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
DePaul’s Jalen Coleman-Lands is in the transfer portal, per the portal. Averaged 11.1 points per game this past season. Started his career at Illinois and will be a grad transfer.
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Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
DePaul’s Jalen Coleman-Lands is in the transfer portal, per the portal. Averaged 11.1 points per game this past season. Started his career at Illinois and will be a grad transfer.
Hahahahaha hahahaha
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All things being considered, I'd probably take the older and more experienced player if I was choosing between Mane and Perez for next season. Total hypothetical obviously, as I feel like Perez is likely to have to sit out, and don't think we'd need to "chose" between the two.
Mane would be great. I hope we land him. But I don't think he's going to make quite the impact some here think he will as a freshman. I am sure he's really good, but Symir was ranked higher in the same class before reclassifying, and while I feel like Symir will be a really good cbb player at some point, he wasn't a difference maker as a freshman by any stretch. Plus, Mane seems so married to going pro, and since he's already 20 years old, if the choice was 2 years of a proven college player (Perez) over 1 for sure year of Mane (then who knows?) who seems more focused on playing professionally, I'd probably lean Perez.
Again, don't really think its an either or, and Mane is far from a slamdunk to go to MU.
You have said this a few times now and I just want to point out that because Symir re-classified, he was playing college basketball when he should have been a senior in high school. Let's not compare a senior in high school playing college ball to a 20 year old kid entering college ball.
I think Symir will be a fantastic player for us this upcoming year and in the future. The reason most people here aren't AS high on Symir (despite, like you said, being a top 40 recruit in his original class), is because he was underaged for CBB standards.
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Maybe Mac Etienne too?
I don't know why I have this feeling he'll reclassify to 2020.
He may reclassify, but Marquette is one of a bunch of schools hes looking at, including some blue bloods. I'd love to land him, but I wouldn't consider him "close" at all.
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You have said this a few times now and I just want to point out that because Symir re-classified, he was playing college basketball when he should have been a senior in high school. Let's not compare a senior in high school playing college ball to a 20 year old kid entering college ball.
I think Symir will be a fantastic player for us this upcoming year and in the future. The reason most people here aren't AS high on Symir (despite, like you said, being a top 40 recruit in his original class), is because he was underaged for CBB standards.
Obviously, regarding the bolded. Doesn't change the fact that people who do this for a living thought Symir was a better prospect than Mane as of a year ago. Pretty sure Mane had a meh senior season, so I don't think his stock has really gone up since then.
I agree Symir will be a very good cbb player. Mane probably will too - if he sticks around until he's an upperclassman, which sounds very unlikely based on the fact he's at least considered going straight to the nba. Again - I'd love to get Mane. I'm just not sold he's going to make a huge impact as a freshman in the Big East, though. Most kids ranked around where he is usually aren't high impact players as freshman.
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I'd pass because I'm not convinced Perez is a high-major player. Low efficiency player who was miserable against Tier A opponents last year.
If they look to fill one, I'd prefer Okoro or McCauley.
Fair.
Has Marquette been tied to either Okoro of McCauley?
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Obviously, regarding the bolded. Doesn't change the fact that people who do this for a living thought Symir was a better prospect than Mane as of a year ago. Pretty sure Mane had a meh senior season, so I don't think his stock has really gone up since then.
I agree Symir will be a very good cbb player. Mane probably will too - if he sticks around until he's an upperclassman, which sounds very unlikely based on the fact he's at least considered going straight to the nba. Again - I'd love to get Mane. I'm just not sold he's going to make a huge impact as a freshman in the Big East, though. Most kids ranked around where he is usually aren't high impact players as freshman.
You keep saying that Symir was rated higher than Mane..I don't know what rankings you are going by, but Mane is ranked #25 according to 247..That's a 5*
25
121
Karim Mane
Karim Mane Vanier College (Montreal, QC)
CG
6-4 / 195
And though they don't have a rating for him, Rivals also has him as a 5*
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2020/karim-mane-250843
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Fair.
Has Marquette been tied to either Okoro of McCauley?
Jake
@jakeweingarten
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Lincoln Memorial (DII) transfer Courvoisier McCauley has heard from Minnesota, Mizzou, Wake Forest, Texas A&M, South Carolina, DePaul, Georgetown, amongst many others since entering the portal, he told @Stockrisers
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DePaul has literally been in on almost every transfer in the portal it seems. Them and Iowa State. LOL
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Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
DePaul’s Jalen Coleman-Lands is in the transfer portal, per the portal. Averaged 11.1 points per game this past season. Started his career at Illinois and will be a grad transfer.
Lolz, after the big deal they made about him not appearing on senior day because he was applying for a waiver to return.
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Just need Weems to join Reed and declare and that Leitao extension will have landed them with one quality BEast player in Moore and an injury or two away from starting Pantelis
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Just need Weems to join Reed and declare and that Leitao extension will have landed them with one quality BEast player in Moore and an injury or two away from starting Pantelis
That would be beautiful...a Weems transfer would be fine too. I think they have like 4-5 open scholarships now, and no one to take them. They just had a D2 guy choose SIU over them yesterday. :)
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Fair.
Has Marquette been tied to either Okoro of McCauley?
Not that I'm aware of. But clearly the staff's assessment of team needs this off-season isn't matching my own.
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Kevin Sweeney
@CBB_Central
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Significant #A10MBB news: VCU F Marcus Santos-Silva announces on Instagram that he’s transfers. Averaged 13 points and 9 rebounds per game this season. Ferocious offensive rebounder with a high motor. Long line here.
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Jake
@jakeweingarten
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Lincoln Memorial (DII) transfer Courvoisier McCauley has heard from Minnesota, Mizzou, Wake Forest, Texas A&M, South Carolina, DePaul, Georgetown, amongst many others since entering the portal, he told @Stockrisers
.
DePaul has literally been in on almost every transfer in the portal it seems. Them and Iowa State. LOL
to be fair with this one, Lincoln Memorial is always one of the top D2 teams
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Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
DePaul’s Jalen Coleman-Lands is in the transfer portal, per the portal. Averaged 11.1 points per game this past season. Started his career at Illinois and will be a grad transfer.
Thanks for posting this. I enjoyed passing this info on to my Blue Rat friends!
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BIG EAST BUCKETS
@BIGEAST_BUCKETS
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Transfer News: Evansville PF DeAndre Williams has entered the transfer portal. The rising sophomore might be the best prospect in the transfer portal this spring. He was one of D1
Basketball
most efficient players in 2019-20.
Already hearing multiple #BIGEAST programs will be involved.
Corey Evans
@coreyevans_10
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Evansville forward DeAndre Williams has entered his name into the Transfer Portal, his coach tells @RivalsPortal
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Averaged 15.2 points, 6.9 rebounds & 2.7 assists last season
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BIG EAST BUCKETS
@BIGEAST_BUCKETS
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Transfer News: Evansville PF DeAndre Williams has entered the transfer portal. The rising sophomore might be the best prospect in the transfer portal this spring. He was one of D1
Basketball
most efficient players in 2019-20.
Already hearing multiple #BIGEAST programs will be involved.
Corey Evans
@coreyevans_10
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Evansville forward DeAndre Williams has entered his name into the Transfer Portal, his coach tells @RivalsPortal
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Averaged 15.2 points, 6.9 rebounds & 2.7 assists last season
Would LOVE to land him
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Williams is interesting. Great efficiency & puts up numbers like a point forward but did miss some time & wasn't as good when he came back. Also saw a sharp drop in efficiency against up top notch teams, though the sample sizes are very small. Worth a flyer as a sit out transfer.
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Proven player but isnt PF about the last position of need at this point?
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Proven player but isnt PF about the last position of need at this point?
He's a stretch 4/5. 48% of his points come inside the paint.
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to be fair with this one, Lincoln Memorial is always one of the top D2 teams
Courvoisier with a spectacular move!... hearing it from the crowd!!
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Darius Perry to Central Florida
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Williams can step in for NBA-bound Brendan.
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Williams is interesting. Great efficiency & puts up numbers like a point forward but did miss some time & wasn't as good when he came back. Also saw a sharp drop in efficiency against up top notch teams, though the sample sizes are very small. Worth a flyer as a sit out transfer.
Since recruiting costs nothing right now, might as well put yourself out there for these kids. I am sure MU virtual is impressive to show kids. I really do not like bringing
in kids who have a track record when you are already using 11 scholarships, I believe kids needs to play right away or they transfer. Do not want to see freshman at
the end of the bench. I can see going to 12, but always keep 1 open as you never know.
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Jake
@jakeweingarten
Gardner-Webb transfer Jose Perez has been contacted by 35+ programs, he told
@Stockrisers
, with the newest being Minnesota and South Carolina. Plus, he’s working on virtual visits, including one with Marquette. | Story: https://stockrisers.com/2020/04/21/jose-perez-being-pursued-by-30-programs-scheduling-virtual-visit-with-marquette/…
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Jake
@jakeweingarten
Gardner-Webb transfer Jose Perez has been contacted by 35+ programs, he told
@Stockrisers
, with the newest being Minnesota and South Carolina. Plus, he’s working on virtual visits, including one with Marquette. | Story: https://stockrisers.com/2020/04/21/jose-perez-being-pursued-by-30-programs-scheduling-virtual-visit-with-marquette/…
Torvik projects that adding Perez would make us worse. It looks like his numbers took a major hit his Sophomore year and he only played 20 games so maybe he was injured? Can't really find anything.
EDIT: He apparently left the team mid-season for "Personal Issues" so who knows.
http://barttorvik.com/transfercast.php?team=Marquette&run=1&player=Jose+Perez%3BGardner+Webb
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3giL2xMhUY
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The jump stop, the lefty/righty, the euro, the up and under, the spin, and drop step. I just saw more ability to create separation in that two minutes than i saw from anyone in the entire 19-20 season, not named Markus Howard.
Sign him up!! Great fundamentals, size, and skill set. Would start.
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The jump stop, the lefty/righty, the up and under, the spin, and drop step. I just saw more ability to create separation in that two minutes than i saw from anyone in the entire 19-20 season, not named Markus Howard.
Sign him up!! Great fundamentals, size, and skill set. Would start.
I'm a skeptic on mix tapes, especially when we know it's against lesser competition.
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The jump stop, the lefty/righty, the euro, the up and under, the spin, and drop step. I just saw more ability to create separation in that two minutes than i saw from anyone in the entire 19-20 season, not named Markus Howard.
Sign him up!! Great fundamentals, size, and skill set. Would start.
Have to agree, very good size and mobility. If he has to sit for a year, he would be a good replacement for Koby, or if he can play right away, good competition
against the other members on the team.
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Jake
@jakeweingarten
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Marquette, Iowa State and Georgia are the newest programs involved with Lincoln Memorial (DII) transfer Courvoisier McCauley, he told @Stockrisers.
Now THIS one would be a take for me..
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Torvik projects that adding Perez would make us worse. It looks like his numbers took a major hit his Sophomore year and he only played 20 games so maybe he was injured? Can't really find anything.
EDIT: He apparently left the team mid-season for "Personal Issues" so who knows.
http://barttorvik.com/transfercast.php?team=Marquette&run=1&player=Jose+Perez%3BGardner+Webb
This is the hill I want to die on. This ranking barttorvik does is clearly flawed. Adding a player should not make your team ranking go down. If it would, that team would simply not play him, and be back to its original ranking.
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Jake
@jakeweingarten
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Marquette, Iowa State and Georgia are the newest programs involved with Lincoln Memorial (DII) transfer Courvoisier McCauley, he told @Stockrisers.
Now THIS one would be a take for me..
this kid is pretty good
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this kid is pretty good
He can absolutely light it up from downtown. Plays on one of the top D2 teams in the country. And before anyone questions if he'd be overwhelmed at the D1 level, remember Max Strus?? He had no problems, and Freddie Mitchell from Baylor came from DIII.
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He can absolutely light it up from downtown. Plays on one of the top D2 teams in the country. And before anyone questions if he'd be overwhelmed at the D1 level, remember Max Strus?? He had no problems, and Freddie Mitchell from Baylor came from DIII.
Would you take McCauley or Perez?
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Would you take McCauley or Perez?
Gun to my head...McCauley...he's the better shooter which is something I think MU could use more of.
https://lmurailsplitters.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/courvoisier-mccauley/4388
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He can absolutely light it up from downtown. Plays on one of the top D2 teams in the country. And before anyone questions if he'd be overwhelmed at the D1 level, remember Max Strus?? He had no problems, and Freddie Mitchell from Baylor came from DIII.
I think the top D2 programs are better than a lot of of the low major programs out there. A lot of those players are undersized more than anything.
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Williams is interesting. Great efficiency & puts up numbers like a point forward but did miss some time & wasn't as good when he came back. Also saw a sharp drop in efficiency against up top notch teams, though the sample sizes are very small. Worth a flyer as a sit out transfer.
I read on Rivals that he was struggling big time with back problems. I imagine that everyone will be doing their due diligence on how that has healed--how much DD that can be done on his in the current environment is beyond me. I agree that you definitely take him if you can get him to sit one out in order to monitor (and hopefully build up) his back.
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Would you take McCauley or Perez?
McCauley. Good shooter, length and height, pretty quick. Not sure how his defense is but he has the tools.
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Jeff Borzello
@jeffborzello
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Monmouth guard Ray Salnave is expected to graduate and transfer, sources told ESPN. Second-team All-MAAC, averaged 14.5 points, 3.2 assists and shot 36.4% from 3.
Presutti is following him on twitter
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Jeff Borzello
@jeffborzello
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Oregon transfer Francis Okoro tells ESPN he will sit out next season regardless of any rule change. Is recovering from shoulder and ankle injuries.
Has heard from Illinois, Saint Louis, Purdue, Texas A&M, Texas, SDSU, Houston, Marquette, Oklahoma, Seton Hall, Missouri and others
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Not that I'm aware of. But clearly the staff's assessment of team needs this off-season isn't matching my own.
Well looks like they've been in touch with both now.
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Can someone give a run-down on players we have reached out to / are in consideration for SINCE we've signed Carton? A nice list to keep players straight (both traditional and grad) would be nice.
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Jake
@jakeweingarten
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Monmouth graduate transfer Ray Salnave has heard from DePaul, Marquette, Iowa State, Creighton, App State, Hofstra, UNCC, UC Riverside, amongst others, he told @Stockrisers.
Averaged 14.5 points and four rebounds. Entered portal today.
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Jake
@jakeweingarten
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Marquette, Iowa State and Georgia are the newest programs involved with Lincoln Memorial (DII) transfer Courvoisier McCauley, he told @Stockrisers.
Now THIS one would be a take for me..
Pass it Courvoisier! Pass it Courvoisier!
Too bad the student section is too young to know it and work with it
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Can someone give a run-down on players we have reached out to / are in consideration for SINCE we've signed Carton? A nice list to keep players straight (both traditional and grad) would be nice.
I'll see how good my memory is:
Francis Okoro-F Oregon (sit one play two)
Ray Salnave-G Monmouth (Grad transfer)
Jose Perez-G Gardner Webb (sit one play two)
Courvoisier McCauley-G DII (sit one play two)
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Courvoisier McCauley
what a great name! gotta wonder what dad's(and/or mom's) fav after dinner drink is
right up there with matt haryasz and God shammgod :D
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Okay so Jose Perez is following Sam Hauser...first Justin Turner, now Jose Perez...strange how he is a random follow for these guys..I still can't fathom he'd bad mouth MU to these guys, but of all people why do these transfers suddenly follow Sam Hauser??
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Okay so Jose Perez is following Sam Hauser...first Justin Turner, now Jose Perez...strange how he is a random follow for these guys..I still can't fathom he'd bad mouth MU to these guys, but of all people why do these transfers suddenly follow Sam Hauser??
Going to Virginia
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Can someone give a run-down on players we have reached out to / are in consideration for SINCE we've signed Carton? A nice list to keep players straight (both traditional and grad) would be nice.
If they are transferring, we probably have reached out to them. Less likely if they are a big guy.
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Okay so Jose Perez is following Sam Hauser...first Justin Turner, now Jose Perez...strange how he is a random follow for these guys..I still can't fathom he'd bad mouth MU to these guys, but of all people why do these transfers suddenly follow Sam Hauser??
Dude
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I was doing some research on Courvoisier McCauley. His team was D2 but they finished the season 32-1. Not only that, but they lost their first game of the season, so they started 0-1 and finished on a 32 game win streak. Not only that, but the one loss as in OT to another team that finished 32-1 and #4 in the national rankings. Not only that but they had more wins by 40+ (6) then they did by by single digits (4).
McCauley was a dominant player for a very dominant team. On paper, I think he could play big minutes, even at a high major.
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Jake
@jakeweingarten
Gardner-Webb transfer Jose Perez will begin the [virtual] visit/meeting process today as he’s expected to speak with staffs from Rhode Island and Marquette today, he told
@Stockrisers
. Full breakdown on his recruitment, including 35+ programs. | Story: https://stockrisers.com/2020/04/21/jose-perez-being-pursued-by-30-programs-scheduling-virtual-visit-with-marquette/…
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Count me among those who aren't impressed with Jose Perez on paper. His scoring stats are pretty woeful even against reduced competition. To put it into perspective, KenPom has Perez' Ortg only .3 point higher than Koby McEwen's and that was with facing Big South defenses every night.
He does have a good assist rate and TO rate. I could see him being an effective backup ball controlling PG. Just don't expect any scoring from him.
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Count me among those who aren't impressed with Jose Perez on paper. His scoring stats are pretty woeful even against reduced competition. To put it into perspective, KenPom has Perez' Ortg only .3 point higher than Koby McEwen's and that was with facing Big South defenses every night.
He does have a good assist rate and TO rate. I could see him being an effective backup ball controlling PG. Just don't expect any scoring from him.
I think that is what I am expecting. He seems crafty, but doesn't seem to have the burst that we expect out of Big East guards from the video posted here.
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Seeing as though we have 2, or perhaps even 3 openings, I am not going to lose much sleep over bringing on someone who could be a bit of a project.
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Seeing as though we have 2, or perhaps even 3 openings, I am not going to lose much sleep over bringing on someone who could be a bit of a project.
A graduate transfer really isn't a "project."
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Okay so Jose Perez is following Sam Hauser...first Justin Turner, now Jose Perez...strange how he is a random follow for these guys..I still can't fathom he'd bad mouth MU to these guys, but of all people why do these transfers suddenly follow Sam Hauser??
(https://media3.giphy.com/media/hOzfvZynn9AK4/giphy.gif?cid=19f5b51a4d86e2172239021776eed56fe48bec6d40cdb2ac&rid=giphy.gif)
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A graduate transfer really isn't a "project."
Jose Perez isn't a grad transfer.
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Jose Perez isn't a grad transfer.
Sorry. You are correct.
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I was doing some research on Courvoisier McCauley. His team was D2 but they finished the season 32-1. Not only that, but they lost their first game of the season, so they started 0-1 and finished on a 32 game win streak. Not only that, but the one loss as in OT to another team that finished 32-1 and #4 in the national rankings. Not only that but they had more wins by 40+ (6) then they did by by single digits (4).
McCauley was a dominant player for a very dominant team. On paper, I think he could play big minutes, even at a high major.
McCauley just committed to DePaul. Following in the footsteps of Max Strus.
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McCauley just committed to DePaul. Following in the footsteps of Max Strus.
I mean it makes sense, but also - you gotta be kidding me.
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I mean it makes sense, but also - you gotta be kidding me.
Something $tinks with this one...literally. The kid was in the portal for a day or two.
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https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1253017735895887874?s=20
Marcus Santos-Silva...He's only 6'7" but kid is a BEAST of a rebounder, and can score. Also can only play inside, which is perfect for this team. Had 12pts 17 rebounds, and 12 points 9 rebounds against Obi this year, also had 22-11 against Tennessee, 19 and 2 against Purdue, and 19-11 against LSU. Also had a game last year of 26 points and 22 rebounds.
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MU seems to reach out to every transfer
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https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1253017735895887874?s=20
I would take Santos-Silva over pretty much all transfers that are currently out there if he can be eligible now. Plays bigger than he is and is a walking double double. Unclear if he has graduated or eligble for immediate play, but I have not read anything to indicate that.
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I would take Santos-Silva over pretty much all transfers that are currently out there if he can be eligible now. Plays bigger than he is and is a walking double double. Unclear if he has graduated or eligble for immediate play, but I have not read anything to indicate that.
He intends to be a grad transfer...he has a couple of classes to finish up this summer and then will be. as of this second he is not. But will be. I agree 100%...he would be my #1 target without question. Go HARD after him. The fact he will be a grad transfer is absolutely perfect imo.
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He intends to be a grad transfer...he has a couple of classes to finish up this summer and then will be. as of this second he is not. But will be. I agree 100%...he would be my #1 target without question. Go HARD after him. The fact he will be a grad transfer is absolutely perfect imo.
From other things I read, it sounds like he could get Kentucky attention, with Terrence Clark lobbying for him. But for now they have not reached out.
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From other things I read, it sounds like he could get Kentucky attention, with Terrence Clark lobbying for him. But for now they have not reached out.
I don't see it, they are about to land Matt Haarms, and have a bunch of guys coming in the same size or bigger than Santos-Silva. Anything is possible, but as of now they haven't contacted him. He is by far my #1 target for MU from what's left. I work hard to get this one done.
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He intends to be a grad transfer...he has a couple of classes to finish up this summer and then will be. as of this second he is not. But will be. I agree 100%...he would be my #1 target without question. Go HARD after him. The fact he will be a grad transfer is absolutely perfect imo.
Yea this one would be in the category of amazing get.
Entire squad would be transformed if Carton and this dude were playing next season, both guys would start off the bat.
Theo at the 5 with Santos-Silva at the 4 and Garcia at the 3, Koby and Carton in the backcourt is just damn near too exciting of a projected 5. Tack on Oso, Lewis, Cain, Elliott, Symir, BB?, Akanno, etc off the bench and look out. Gives you so much versatility too, and that’s without even bringing Mane into the equation.
Only real issue there would be several guys that could only be around for one season so you’d have to re load next offseason but who cares. When has MU ever had that problem in recent memory?
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This is a LOL for Kentucky...you love to see it, the tone on their board changed drastically from last night when they thought he was signed, sealed delivered..
Jack Pilgrim
@JackPilgrimKSR
· 12m
Source: BYU has emerged as the favorite for Purdue graduate transfer Matt Haarms, Kentucky no longer feels they are the choice
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This is a LOL for Kentucky...you love to see it, the tone on their board changed drastically from last night when they thought he was signed, sealed delivered..
Jack Pilgrim
@JackPilgrimKSR
· 12m
Source: BYU has emerged as the favorite for Purdue graduate transfer Matt Haarms, Kentucky no longer feels they are the choice
Not as funny if it impacts us with Santos-Silva though
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McCauley just committed to DePaul. Following in the footsteps of Max Strus.
Probably scared away Mane.
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He can absolutely light it up from downtown. Plays on one of the top D2 teams in the country. And before anyone questions if he'd be overwhelmed at the D1 level, remember Max Strus?? He had no problems, and Freddie Mitchell from Baylor came from DIII.
Duncan Robinson went from D3 Williams to Michigan to the Heat. Some guys just fall through the cracks.
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Not as funny if it impacts us with Santos-Silva though
True, however, they hadn't reached out to him YET, now this could change things of course, but idk if he fits what they want, I mean they will have 4 guys his size or bigger anyway, though none real true post players like he is. Man oh man do I want Santos- Silva badly. Add Mane to that and...MY GOD. You could have a starting 5 of...Carton, Mane, Garcia, Santos-Silva, Theo. That's a legit top 15 team IMO. What an incredible job that would be by Wojo and staff if he pulls that off.
For those asking about VCU transfer Marcus Santos-Silva, I don't believe he is a serious candidate for Kentucky at this time. https://t.co/Hr6VZsoX8R
— Jack Pilgrim (@JackPilgrimKSR) April 23, 2020
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So I did a little more digging on Santos-Silva, turns out he and Symir were teammates at Vermont Academy and obviously know each other very well. I'd also assume Killings has major contacts there.
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So I did a little more digging on Santos-Silva, turns out he and Symir were teammates at Vermont Academy and obviously know each other very well. I'd also assume Killings has major contacts there.
I'm not sure that's true. Santos-Silva was a 2017 recruit & did his 2016-17 year there. In 2016-17, according to Marquette's website, Torrence was at Syracuse Science Academy. Not saying they don't know each other, but pretty sure they didn't play together at Vermont Academy.
https://gomarquette.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/symir-torrence/4699
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I'm not sure that's true. Santos-Silva was a 2017 recruit & did his 2016-17 year there. In 2016-17, according to Marquette's website, Torrence was at Syracuse Science Academy. Not saying they don't know each other, but pretty sure they didn't play together at Vermont Academy.
https://gomarquette.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/symir-torrence/4699
Okay, I guess that makes sense..I couldn't find a roster for Vermont academy for 2016-2017. I knew Santos-Silva graduated in 2017 and just assumed Symir was there then. They do know each other though, I'm certain of that. Regardless, Killings has good contacts with Vermont Academy, so i can't help but get excited at the possibility of this happening.
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If he posts a list of 4 or so and we're on it, I'll start getting invested. Otherwise, Marquette is just one name on a list of at least a dozen schools to reach out. And it wouldn't at all be clear he would start here with Theo on the roster.
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I don't see it, they are about to land Matt Haarms, and have a bunch of guys coming in the same size or bigger than Santos-Silva. Anything is possible, but as of now they haven't contacted him. He is by far my #1 target for MU from what's left. I work hard to get this one done.
Need a proven 2 guard. I would be OK with Greg if i knew he could stay healthy
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I work hard to get this one done.
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Wow, this is a big get for UWM...
Jon Rothstein
@JonRothstein
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6m
UTEP transfer Jordan Lathon tells me that he has committed to Milwaukee.
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Wow, this is a big get for UWM...
Jon Rothstein
@JonRothstein
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6m
UTEP transfer Jordan Lathon tells me that he has committed to Milwaukee.
Good to see. Hope they can get some more talent.
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Haarms to BYU.
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Marcus Santos-Silva releases his final six and no sign of Marquette. Georgia, Maryland, Ole Miss, Texas Tech, Penn State, Arizona State made the cut.
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Marcus Santos-Silva releases his final six and no sign of Marquette. Georgia, Maryland, Ole Miss, Texas Tech, Penn State, Arizona State made the cut.
Bummer. Figured it was a long shot, but it was nice to dream for a moment.
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Bummer. Figured it was a long shot, but it was nice to dream for a moment.
Had a feeling that Theo returning would prevent us from having any real shot. Any big that comes in knows they will at best be platooning.
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Had a feeling that Theo returning would prevent us from having any real shot. Any big that comes in knows they will at best be platooning.
Hopefully if they pass the "free" one time transfer rule in late May, that will shake some more bigs free in the portal. Okoro would be fine, but obviously wouldn't help next year.
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Had a feeling that Theo returning would prevent us from having any real shot. Any big that comes in knows they will at best be platooning.
I mean - I like Theo a lot. But he's not exactly someone a legit big should be overly concerned about.
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I mean - I like Theo a lot. But he's not exactly someone a legit big should be overly concerned about.
Exactly—good chance you see will see the court with 14 minutes left in the 1st half.
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I mean - I like Theo a lot. But he's not exactly someone a legit big should be overly concerned about.
Exactly, I'd love to have a big that is a legitimate scoring threat down low
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I mean - I like Theo a lot. But he's not exactly someone a legit big should be overly concerned about.
No, but an undersized mid-major center may see a multi-year Big East starter as more of an impediment than a Kerry Blackshear or Matt Haarms type would.
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Ralph D. Russo
@ralphDrussoAP
· 22m
Another NCAA note.
There was some talk about delaying changing the transfer waiver to give all athletes access to a one-time exception so it goes into effect in 2021-22. Sounds like now that's likely to happen and go into effect 2020-21.
Full speed ahead.
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Wow!!!
#TheRealSources
@wejustdontmiss
· 49m
Mac McClung will be a huge pickup for somebody’s university.
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Wow!!!
#TheRealSources
@wejustdontmiss
· 49m
Mac McClung will be a huge pickup for somebody’s university.
Doesn't seem very reputable. Insinuating he's transferring?
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Doesn't seem very reputable. Insinuating he's transferring?
It's reputable
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Last year Georgetown had 3 Freshman on the all-freshman team. By the end of their sophomore years they are all gone. Sad . Starting to look like GT pre John Thompson
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Gtowns program has fallen so far since realignment its just insane. Boarder line powerhouse to crap. Weak attendance. Ewing has grabbed ONE recruit worth a damn. At least JT3 could consistently bring in top 75 kids. Its just kinda sad.
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Exactly, I'd love to have a big that is a legitimate scoring threat down low
Re: his game, I wonder what Theo works on during the off-season? Doesn’t have a face-up 12 footer. Not really a go-to move on the block. Give him a highlight reel of Kevin McHale or Kevin Garnett and have Theo adopt two moves...just two. Who knows, maybe his sr year is the year it all falls into place for him. Better O. Same D. Reduce the fouls.
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Re: his game, I wonder what Theo works on during the off-season? Doesn’t have a face-up 12 footer. Not really a go-to move on the block. Give him a highlight reel of Kevin McHale or Kevin Garnett and have Theo adopt two moves...just two. Who knows, maybe his sr year is the year it all falls into place for him. Better O. Same D. Reduce the fouls.
He’s usually trying to recover from his injuries or waiting for surgery like he currently is.
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Re: his game, I wonder what Theo works on during the off-season? Doesn’t have a face-up 12 footer. Not really a go-to move on the block. Give him a highlight reel of Kevin McHale or Kevin Garnett and have Theo adopt two moves...just two. Who knows, maybe his sr year is the year it all falls into place for him. Better O. Same D. Reduce the fouls.
We didn't discuss it on here nearly as much as we did when he was in constant foul trouble, but both Theo and Jayce really limited the fouling after Ed left. I can only think of a couple games where it became a big concern. Suggests a philosophical change perhaps on how much to aggressively defend versus more passive D in terms of attacking shots.
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We didn't discuss it on here nearly as much as we did when he was in constant foul trouble, but both Theo and Jayce really limited the fouling after Ed left. I can only think of a couple games where it became a big concern. Suggests a philosophical change perhaps on how much to aggressively defend versus more passive D in terms of attacking shots.
Might explain why the defense fell off a cliff too, although I'd have to double check on the timing.
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Doesn't seem very reputable. Insinuating he's transferring?
he's not in the Transfer Portal as of 1:15 pm EST
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I hope McClung stays at GT. He's fun to watch, and it'd be good for the BE for Gtown to return to prominence, and losing good players never helps.
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Corey Evans
@coreyevans_10
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24s
Oregon transfer Francis Okoro just committed to St. Louis, he tells @RivalsPortal
https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/oregon-tr
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Corey Evans
@coreyevans_10
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24s
Oregon transfer Francis Okoro just committed to St. Louis, he tells @RivalsPortal
https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/oregon-tr
Re-joining a couple of former teammates (Bradley Beal Elite/St.Louis Eagles) and will play two hours from family.
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Well...no one time transfers this year it seems..
Jon Rothstein
@JonRothstein
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2m
The Division 1 Council has recommended to push the vote for a one-time waiver for immediate eligibility for transfers to January of 2021.
Or maybe not...
Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
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1m
The vote for the one-time transfer waiver has NOT been postponed until January. It is STILL slated for May 20, per MAC commissioner Jon Steinbracher. "No decision has been made either way,” he told me. But still a chance it can go into effect for the season.
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Corey Evans
@coreyevans_10
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24s
Oregon transfer Francis Okoro just committed to St. Louis, he tells @RivalsPortal
https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/oregon-tr
:'(
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Really wish MU would have gotten involved with him..
Jeff Borzello
@jeffborzello
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5m
Wake Forest transfer Chaundee Brown is down to Gonzaga, LSU, Illinois and Iowa State.
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Really wish MU would have gotten involved with him..
Jeff Borzello
@jeffborzello
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5m
Wake Forest transfer Chaundee Brown is down to Gonzaga, LSU, Illinois and Iowa State.
Maybe we knew it wasn't worth going after?
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Really wish MU would have gotten involved with him..
Jeff Borzello
@jeffborzello
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5m
Wake Forest transfer Chaundee Brown is down to Gonzaga, LSU, Illinois and Iowa State.
Every transfer I swear has Iowa state in their final
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:'(
Yeah, 3.3 points a game is worth crying over.
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For Marquette, the grad transfer prize at this moment may just be Ray Salnave.
Similar to Sacar in size, three point shooting percentage, rebounds and toughness, but much better in assists, FT %, and ability of get to the foul line.
Ray turns the ball over more, but has more steals, so it is a wash there.
I’m a big fan of what Sacar brought to Marquette, and Ray is the kind of kid who would do the same.
He would fit in very nicely as a shooting wing who can also attack the rim, especially with our new PG (if eligible) and stretch 4 (Garcia) keeping opponents on their heels.
And think about this:
DJ, Garcia and Ray might compare somewhat to Howard/Anim, so would there really be any significant drop off from last season, especially with our other highly touted freshmen and overall improvement from Theo/Greg/Koby because of no injuries?
Maybe not.
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Every transfer I swear has Iowa state in their final
That's because Iowa St is in on every transfer because they had 4 open scholarships..LOL One of their posters was keeping a spreadsheet of who they had known contact with, and prior to getting a commitment from former Memphis Guard Tyler Harris yesterday, according to their scorecard they were like 0-25 on transfers prior to that. :D
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For Marquette, the grad transfer prize at this moment may just be Ray Salnave.
Similar to Sacar in size, three point shooting percentage, rebounds and toughness, but much better in assists, FT %, and ability of get to the foul line.
Ray turns the ball over more, but has more steals, so it is a wash there.
Never higher than 101.7 adjusted ORtg, 36.4% from deep last year was his career best, but what I'd really disagree with is the bolded. Wojo's system doesn't just not emphasize steals, it actively deemphasizes them. I remember how tentative Chartouny looked on defense at times when he was unsure if he should attack the ball (his speciality) or just hold his ground.
Chartouny's steal rate was cut in half coming to Marquette, from one of the best (literally top-2 nationally two years running) to mediocre. Marquette hasn't had a player crack 3% steal rate (think top-150ish nationally) since Jajuan Johnson graduated.
Marquette players not getting steals isn't a bug, it's a feature.
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Never higher than 101.7 adjusted ORtg, 36.4% from deep last year was his career best, but what I'd really disagree with is the bolded. Wojo's system doesn't just not emphasize steals, it actively deemphasizes them. I remember how tentative Chartouny looked on defense at times when he was unsure if he should attack the ball (his speciality) or just hold his ground.
Chartouny's steal rate was cut in half coming to Marquette, from one of the best (literally top-2 nationally two years running) to mediocre. Marquette hasn't had a player crack 3% steal rate (think top-150ish nationally) since Jajuan Johnson graduated.
Marquette players not getting steals isn't a bug, it's a feature.
Good point Brew.
But, Ray’s turnovers will likely decrease as well, as he would not be the primary or secondary ball handler on Marquette, especially if he plays the 3 on the wing, as a spot up shooter who will also drive and draw fouls.
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Good point Brew.
But, Ray’s turnovers will likely decrease as well, as he would not be the primary or secondary ball handler on Marquette, especially if he plays the 3 on the wing, as a spot up shooter who will also drive and draw fouls.
Possible, but the last two up-transfers we had, Chartouny & McEwen, had significantly worse turnover rates in the Big East. And Salnave seems to have played more off the ball than on (Chaput was their primary point).
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Jake
@jakeweingarten
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3m
Garder-Webb transfer Jose Perez tells @Stockrisers
he’s down to 10 finalists:
Illinois, Memphis, Minnesota, St. John’s, Marquette, Georgia Tech, New Mexico, Iowa State, BYU and DePaul.
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Marquette players not getting steals isn't a bug, it's a feature.
I like good positional defense as much as anybody does. But I sure wish we got a lot more of the easy steal-and-take-it-the-other-way baskets than we have under Wojo.
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Yeah, 3.3 points a game is worth crying over.
A former top 50 guy who did that and played good D as a sub, playing hurt. He planned to take a redshirt year to get healthy and develop. I’ll get over it, though if/when MU gets a legit big in the 2021 class.
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For Marquette, the grad transfer prize at this moment may just be Ray Salnave.
Similar to Sacar in size, three point shooting percentage, rebounds and toughness, but much better in assists, FT %, and ability of get to the foul line.
Ray turns the ball over more, but has more steals, so it is a wash there.
I’m a big fan of what Sacar brought to Marquette, and Ray is the kind of kid who would do the same.
He would fit in very nicely as a shooting wing who can also attack the rim, especially with our new PG (if eligible) and stretch 4 (Garcia) keeping opponents on their heels.
And think about this:
DJ, Garcia and Ray might compare somewhat to Howard/Anim, so would there really be any significant drop off from last season, especially with our other highly touted freshmen and overall improvement from Theo/Greg/Koby because of no injuries?
Maybe not.
He’s actually a couple of inches shorter than Sacar Sacar mostly played a wing forward. As this year’s recruiting indicates, Wojo is moving toward taller guys with length since less talented teams with length (DePaul among them) were able to give the offense fits by smothering Sacar, Koby and Markus with that length. To get minutes, Salvane will have to compete for time next to Carton from Koby, Greg and maybe even Brendon.
I see him as more of a depth piece than a prize.
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He’s actually a couple of inches shorter than Sacar Sacar mostly played a wing forward. As this year’s recruiting indicates, Wojo is moving toward taller guys with length since less talented teams with length (DePaul among them) were able to give the offense fits by smothering Sacar, Koby and Markus with that length. To get minutes, Salvane will have to compete for time next to Carton from Koby, Greg and maybe even Brendon.
I see him as more of a depth piece than a prize.
I wrote prize “at this moment”, since many better grad transfers are off the board.
Agreed——->there would be a fight for starter minutes so it is a depth issue, which is a good thing.
Ray is listed at 6-3 or 6-4 (depending on article) and 205 pounds.
Sacar is 6-5, 209 pounds.
Similar size, and yes, not the same.
Nowadays, the small forward and the shooting guard are almost the same position and are considered wing players, so i don’t think there is a distinction here between the two.
Im like liking the trend you point out regarding taller guys with length.
Would be a nice addition with what’s left and I think he’d would be helpful in cushioning the blow with the graduation of Sacar, one of my favorite warriors.
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I wrote prize “at this moment”, since many better grad transfers are off the board.
Agreed——->there would be a fight for starter minutes so it is a depth issue, which is a good thing.
Ray is listed at 6-3 or 6-4 (depending on article) and 205 pounds.
Sacar is 6-5, 209 pounds.
Similar size, and yes, not the same.
Nowadays, the small forward and the shooting guard are almost the same position and are considered wing players, so i don’t think there is a distinction here between the two.
Im like liking the trend you point out regarding taller guys with length.
Would be a nice addition with what’s left and I think he’d would be helpful in cushioning the blow with the graduation of Sacar, one of my favorite warriors.
+1
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I wrote prize “at this moment”, since many better grad transfers are off the board.
Agreed——->there would be a fight for starter minutes so it is a depth issue, which is a good thing.
Ray is listed at 6-3 or 6-4 (depending on article) and 205 pounds.
Sacar is 6-5, 209 pounds.
Similar size, and yes, not the same.
Nowadays, the small forward and the shooting guard are almost the same position and are considered wing players, so i don’t think there is a distinction here between the two.
Im like liking the trend you point out regarding taller guys with length.
Would be a nice addition with what’s left and I think he’d would be helpful in cushioning the blow with the graduation of Sacar, one of my favorite warriors.
While being one of the most athletic Warriors he wasn't the most skilled but he seemed to give 100% effort.
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Jake
@jakeweingarten
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3m
Garder-Webb transfer Jose Perez tells @Stockrisers
he’s down to 10 finalists:
Illinois, Memphis, Minnesota, St. John’s, Marquette, Georgia Tech, New Mexico, Iowa State, BYU and DePaul.
Not quite as hilarious as Kevin Marfo releasing a top 15, but a top 10 list is still impressive for a transfer
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Not quite as hilarious as Kevin Marfo releasing a top 15, but a top 10 list is still impressive for a transfer
I think this kid would be spectacular for MU
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I think this kid would be spectacular for MU
drops MU from 61 to 63 on T-Rank. High usage guy.
I wouldn't mind him, beats an empty bench spot.
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drops MU from 61 to 63 on T-Rank. High usage guy.
I wouldn't mind him, beats an empty bench spot.
I would imagine Perez will have to sit a year. Not a bad project to take on though, IMO.
Even with Perez, still one more spot open for Mane, or other some other transfer/reclassify player that can impact next season's roster.
Two if Bailey decides he's NBA ready.
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nm
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I would imagine Perez will have to sit a year. Not a bad project to take on though, IMO.
Even with Perez, still one more spot open for Mane, or other some other transfer/reclassify player that can impact next season's roster.
Two if Bailey decides he's NBA ready.
If Bailey is NBA ready so am I at 68!
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I did a little more research on Perez and it changed my mind a little from my initial impressions.
The hope with Perez is that with a year off and sliding from #1 scoring option to #4 or #5 scoring option, his scoring stats from his freshman season will return while retaining the rebounding and assist stats that he put as a sophomore.
As a freshman, he was a scoring stud for a KenPom top 175 team that earned an auto bid to the NCAA tournament. His eFG% was 49.7%, shooting 46.8% from 2 and 36.6% from 3. Even better, his stats against Tier A competition per KenPom were better than his stats against lower ranked teams. In 4 Tier A Games (at VCU, at Buzz' Virginia Tech, at Top 60 Furman, and an NCAAT game against National Champion Virginia), Perez had a stellar O-Rtg of 116.2 and shot a blistering 62.5 eFG%. His 3s were a bit off at 6/19 (31.6%), but he was electric inside the arc, scoring 16/21 (76.2%) and getting to the line 24 times for a FTR of 60.0. The NCAA Tournament game against the #1 defense in the country was especially impressive. 19 points, 3 rebounds, 3 assists, 1 steal, 2 turnovers, 3/4 from 2P, 4/6 from 3P, 1/2 FTA.
If Perez had transferred at the end of his freshman season, he would have been one of the top transfers available. It's not a stretch to say that he would have had blue blood level offers.
The problem is he seemingly regressed his sophomore year. Basic stats stayed about the same but his scoring efficiency plummeted. A gross eFG% of 37.7%, shooting 37.4 from 2P, 25.6 from 3P. Unlike his FR year where he was better against Tier A competition, he was significantly worse as a sophomore. But while his scoring efficiency tanked, his other efficiency stats improved. His OR% bumped up a bit, his assist rate jumped from 18.9 to 24.1, his Steal% increased by .5% and his FTR went up a little, all while keeping his TO Rate to respectable 15.1.
Regression is certainly a possible explanation, as is whatever this personal issue was that caused Perez to leave after 22 games. But I think it may have more to do with the graduations of David Efianayi and DJ Laster. With them gone, Perez was the only returning double figure scorer, and 1 of only 4 returning players who averaged more than 3 points a game. Perez went from 2nd or 3rd on the scouting report to the clear #1 and he obviously struggled. It's not unreasonable to think that by joining a high major, he could surround himself with better weapons and return to the efficiency he displayed as a FR while being an effective, ball controlling PG.
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I would imagine Perez will have to sit a year. Not a bad project to take on though, IMO.
Even with Perez, still one more spot open for Mane, or other some other transfer/reclassify player that can impact next season's roster.
Two if Bailey decides he's NBA ready.
Thats 3 years of Perez then.
Id rather have him now as guard depth if the rule to allow all transfers passes.
But overall I don't want him regardless
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Thats 3 years of Perez then.
Id rather have him now as guard depth if the rule to allow all transfers passes.
But overall I don't want him regardless
I don't really get why you wouldn't want him. I mean, yah - I'd love to fill the 2 (or 3) open spots with no brainer high major starters as well. But that's not happening at this point, so I'd be happy to take on Perez and see what we have as opposed to burning scholarships which is very dumb. Worst case scenario is we have a role playing guard off the bench with 2 years of D1 experience. Not so bad.
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I'm not a huge Perez fan. Best case scenario I see is Trent Lockett, worst case he might be worse than McEwen was last year.
I'd prefer to go in a different direction.
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I'm not a huge Perez fan. Best case scenario I see is Trent Lockett, worst case he might be worse than McEwen was last year.
I'd prefer to go in a different direction.
Would you rather burn a scholarship (or effectively do the same thing by giving it to a walk on)? I wouldn't.
Had we not burned one last year (really two counting Eke/Gardiner) and took on a transfer maybe we wouldn't be so thin across the board next season that we virtually had to land a top 3 transfer in Carton and now pray for a waiver in order to have a team that could even have a chance to play .500 basketball.
For as much crap as McEwen gets (and a lot of it deserved), he's still an above average college basketball player. Teams need guys who can play roles. Maybe Perez comes in and sits a year, plays in 21-22 and is overmatched and then grad transfers back down a level for his last season. But at least you tried. Sometimes these transfers work out really well, sometimes they don't. But I will never advocate against trying, especially when you're looking at a roster that is only 80% filled.
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Would be perfectly fine with Wojo bringing in Perez, not that he's asking me (or any of us) for permission.
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Watt kolar weenie r wee on now, hey?
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Watt kolar weenie r wee on now, hey?
Well, yoar in charge uv kolarin' weenies 'round dese parts, hoo?
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Jake
@jakeweingarten
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5h
Gardner-Webb transfer Jose Perez spoke with Marquette’s Steve Wojciechowski, BYU’s Mark Pope, Minnesota’s Rich Pitino and Georgia Tech’s Josh Pastner today.
DePaul’s Dave Leitao calls later. Memphis in contact everyday, Illinois talking with his AAU coach.
All ten in mix.
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I'm not a huge Perez fan. Best case scenario I see is Trent Lockett, worst case he might be worse than McEwen was last year.
I'd prefer to go in a different direction.
When i watch his videos, yes i know every shot goes in in videos, he shows a tremendous skill set and a really really nice feel for the game and very solid basketball IQ. Great skill and really nice intangibles. Almost a Rowsey or Diener type feel for the game and confidence with the ball to back it up. Jmho
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Not sure if this has been posted yet or if this is the right spot but Omer Yurtseven declared for the NBA Draft
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Not sure if this has been posted yet or if this is the right spot but Omer Yurtseven declared for the NBA Draft
Yurtseven forgoing his eligibility too
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I don't really get why you wouldn't want him. I mean, yah - I'd love to fill the 2 (or 3) open spots with no brainer high major starters as well. But that's not happening at this point, so I'd be happy to take on Perez and see what we have as opposed to burning scholarships which is very dumb. Worst case scenario is we have a role playing guard off the bench with 2 years of D1 experience. Not so bad.
IDK im just never gonna be one for low majors unless the numbers are eye popping. I wasn't even psyched about Rowsey(He proved me wrong on one end of the floor).
I wouldn't lose my mind if we ended up with Perez seeing as like you said we do have space. I just really dont prefer it.
He does have high major size tho, so if he ends up here and I am completely wrong. Heck yeah. Would definitely prefer hes eligible immediately though.
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Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
Valparaiso’s Javon Freeman-Liberty told me has has pulled his name from the NBA Draft, and instead has decided to transfer. Sophomore guard averaged 19 points, 6.1 rebounds and 3.1 assists.
I hope the second he entered the Portal, MU called him. He's one of the best names that's been in the portal since the beginning...from Chicago. High usage, not a 3 point shooter, but a heck of a defensive rebounder and a good asst/TO ratio. Against 4 tier A opponents(via Kenpom) his offensive rating was-104.6, Better def rebound %, higher asst %, lower TO %, higher steals % and shot a better % from the field. BRING HIM IN. Sit one play two
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IDK im just never gonna be one for low majors unless the numbers are eye popping. I wasn't even psyched about Rowsey(He proved me wrong on one end of the floor).
I wouldn't lose my mind if we ended up with Perez seeing as like you said we do have space. I just really dont prefer it.
He does have high major size tho, so if he ends up here and I am completely wrong. Heck yeah. Would definitely prefer hes eligible immediately though.
Like Javon Freeman-Liberty that I just posted about below?? ;)
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Valparaiso’s Javon Freeman-Liberty told me has has pulled his name from the NBA Draft, and instead has decided to transfer. Sophomore guard averaged 19 points, 6.1 rebounds and 3.1 assists.
I hope the second he entered the Portal, MU called him. He's one of the best names that's been in the portal since the beginning...from Chicago. High usage, not a 3 point shooter, but a heck of a defensive rebounder and a good asst/TO ratio. Against 4 tier A opponents(via Kenpom) his offensive rating was-104.6, Better def rebound %, higher asst %, lower TO %, higher steals % and shot a better % from the field. BRING HIM IN. Sit one play two
We will definitely be on him, as will just about every single high major program in need of a guard
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We will definitely be on him, as will just about every single high major program in need of a guard
If he somehow wound up at DePaul, I'd be furious.
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Like Javon Freeman-Liberty that I just posted about below?? ;)
Outside of his 3 point jumper they are pretty good.
Can he keep that efficiency in the BE paint??
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We will definitely be on him, as will just about every single high major program in need of a guard
He needs to be close to home so that narrows the field significantly(although he was already close to home at Valpo)...would say puts MU firmly in the mix, assuming they will inquire. Would be shocking to me if he stayed at a mid major...like Loyola, Bradley..DePaul
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To this day I’ve never had to make a decision this impactful In my life... I love Valpo, they’ve been a huge part of making me the man I am becoming today... I have somethings going on that requires me to home close to my grandmother... Please respect me & my family privacy
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He needs to be close to home so that narrows the field significantly(although he was already close to home at Valpo)...would say puts MU firmly in the mix, assuming they will inquire. Would be shocking to me if he stayed at a mid major...like Loyola, Bradley..DePaul
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To this day I’ve never had to make a decision this impactful In my life... I love Valpo, they’ve been a huge part of making me the man I am becoming today... I have somethings going on that requires me to home close to my grandmother... Please respect me & my family privacy
Assuming he truly needs to be closer to his grandmother, and his grandmother lives near where he went to high school, than Valpo is already closer than Marquette is. I would expect him to end up at DePaul or Northwestern.
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If he somehow wound up at DePaul, I'd be furious.
If DePaul starts opening up the checkbook, I wouldn’t blame him.
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If he somehow wound up at DePaul, I'd be furious.
I wouldn't. Better in the conference than not. Plus if we're going to $hit the bed against depaul anyways May as well be a good Depaul team.
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Valparaiso transfer Javon Freeman-Liberty tells ESPN he has heard from Oregon, Arkansas, Marquette, BYU and DePaul since entering the transfer portal this morning.
First-team All-MVC guard averaged 19.0 points, 6.1 rebounds and 3.2 assists
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Valparaiso transfer Javon Freeman-Liberty tells ESPN he has heard from Oregon, Arkansas, Marquette, BYU and DePaul since entering the transfer portal this morning.
First-team All-MVC guard averaged 19.0 points, 6.1 rebounds and 3.2 assists
Clearly three of the schools didn't get the memo he was trying to stay close to home
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Valparaiso transfer Javon Freeman-Liberty tells ESPN he has heard from Oregon, Arkansas, Marquette, BYU and DePaul since entering the transfer portal this morning.
First-team All-MVC guard averaged 19.0 points, 6.1 rebounds and 3.2 assists
28.7% three point shooter on 275 attempts over his two seasons.
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28.7% three point shooter on 275 attempts over his two seasons.
Who cares about that?? The kid is a phenomenal basketball player as his numbers against tier 1 indicate...and oh yeah, a guy that covers the NBA for a living, tends to agree...
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Best transfer I’ve seen available. Kind of a sneaky draft prospect, IMO.
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Valparaiso guard Javon Freeman-Liberty has entered the transfer portal, source told ESPN. 6-foot-3 sophomore averaged 19.0 points, 6.1 rebounds and 3.2 assists. First-team All-Missouri Valley.
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Who cares about that?? The kid is a phenomenal basketball player as his numbers against tier 1 indicate...and oh yeah, a guy that covers the NBA for a living, tends to agree...
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Best transfer I’ve seen available. Kind of a sneaky draft prospect, IMO.
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Valparaiso guard Javon Freeman-Liberty has entered the transfer portal, source told ESPN. 6-foot-3 sophomore averaged 19.0 points, 6.1 rebounds and 3.2 assists. First-team All-Missouri Valley.
So, I guess we should be happy with Koby’s 29.2%........
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Who cares about that?? The kid is a phenomenal basketball player as his numbers against tier 1 indicate...and oh yeah, a guy that covers the NBA for a living, tends to agree...
Sam Vecenie
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Best transfer I’ve seen available. Kind of a sneaky draft prospect, IMO.
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Valparaiso guard Javon Freeman-Liberty has entered the transfer portal, source told ESPN. 6-foot-3 sophomore averaged 19.0 points, 6.1 rebounds and 3.2 assists. First-team All-Missouri Valley.
Freeman-Liberty is a fantastic player and his advanced stats back it up. For reference, T-rank has him listed as the second best remaining available transfer, ahead of the likes of Marcus Santos-Silva that people were salivating over here. He would likely transform our team as much, if not more than Carton (though Carton obviously has the pedigree and power conference background).
We should be doing everything in our power to reel him in.
Immediately eligible Freeman-Libety and Carton backcourt next year would be a hell of a reload after losing Sacar and Markus.
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Freeman-Liberty is a fantastic player and his advanced stats back it up. For reference, T-rank has him listed as the second best remaining available transfer, ahead of the likes of Marcus Santos-Silva that people were salivating over here. He would likely transform our team as much, if not more than Carton (though Carton obviously has the pedigree and power conference background).
Immediately eligible Freeman-Libety and Carton backcourt next year would be a hell of a reload after losing Sacar and Markus.
Bingo! Wojo pulls this one off, and with the addition of Carton, he deserves a statue on campus, it would be THAT good.
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Bingo! Wojo pulls this one off, and with the addition of Carton, he deserves a statue on campus, it would be THAT good.
I'd like to see the state of that statue as time goes by.
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He needs to be close to home so that narrows the field significantly(although he was already close to home at Valpo)...would say puts MU firmly in the mix, assuming they will inquire. Would be shocking to me if he stayed at a mid major...like Loyola, Bradley..DePaul
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To this day I’ve never had to make a decision this impactful In my life... I love Valpo, they’ve been a huge part of making me the man I am becoming today... I have somethings going on that requires me to home close to my grandmother... Please respect me & my family privacy
When do you learn that what recruits say they want/need/prefer isn't gospel?
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I'd like to see the state of that statue as time goes by.
Um ... Wisconsin?
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When do you learn that what recruits say they want/need/prefer isn't gospel?
Really?? No crap sherlock..but I will walk you through this...now imagine if you will, the kid has intentions on playing this year and not having to sit out..Now also imagine the kid goes on social media and makes a post about needing to be closer to home(again, he can't be much closer than Valpo to begin with), so now let's imagine after the kid publicly says something like that on social media...he commits to...oh I don't know..let's say Arkansas. How do you think the NCAA is going to look at that when it comes time to approve his waiver??
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Really?? No crap sherlock..but I will walk you through this...now imagine if you will, the kid has intentions on playing this year and not having to sit out..Now also imagine the kid goes on social media and makes a post about needing to be closer to home(again, he can't be much closer than Valpo to begin with), so now let's imagine after the kid publicly says something like that on social media...he commits to...oh I don't know..let's say Arkansas. How do you think the NCAA is going to look at that when it comes time to approve his waiver??
Or...maybe the kid really wants to play closer to home? I wouldn’t read too much into it man. Marquette has reached out - let’s see where the chips fall.
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Or...maybe the kid really wants to play closer to home? I wouldn’t read too much into it man. Marquette has reached out - let’s see where the chips fall.
Exactly my point, maybe he does really want to play closer to home. Although, being fair, you can't be much closer to home than he was at Valpo..DePaul I suppose, but why the hell would he want to play there?? I guess the $$ is pretty good there.
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I like Freeman-Liberty more than Perez. Better efficiency numbers in a better conference. I'd feel good landing him.
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let’s see where the chips fall.
What? Without pages of speculation? You must be new here!
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Eye sey wee erect Woj's statue at da entrance of da Tommy and Joanie Memorial Soccer Megaplex, hey?
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Really?? No crap sherlock..but I will walk you through this...now imagine if you will, the kid has intentions on playing this year and not having to sit out..Now also imagine the kid goes on social media and makes a post about needing to be closer to home(again, he can't be much closer than Valpo to begin with), so now let's imagine after the kid publicly says something like that on social media...he commits to...oh I don't know..let's say Arkansas. How do you think the NCAA is going to look at that when it comes time to approve his waiver??
I get that. I honestly do.
But just like the other recruit who wanted to play faster, then chose a program that wasn't any faster. This one might say closer to home, then not actually end up there for whatever reason.
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He needs to be close to home so that narrows the field significantly(although he was already close to home at Valpo)...would say puts MU firmly in the mix, assuming they will inquire. Would be shocking to me if he stayed at a mid major...like Loyola, Bradley..DePaul
Unless Grandma lives north of Kenosha, or no other school closer to her has an opening, he sits if he comes to MU under current rules. Valpo is an hour from Chicago.
Northwestern and DePaul are the most realistic high major options if he wants a waiver.
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To this day I’ve never had to make a decision this impactful In my life... I love Valpo, they’ve been a huge part of making me the man I am becoming today... I have somethings going on that requires me to home close to my grandmother... Please respect me & my family privacy
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DePaul shenanigans...who's surprised with Hsu involved...
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FWIW coach Hsu started following JFL a couple days before he entered his name into the draft... It's almost like DePaul had a plan in place for this to happen. They reposted his post on both Instagram and Twitter. Things look good here.
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Valparaiso transfer Javon Freeman-Liberty tells ESPN he has heard from Oregon, Arkansas, Marquette, BYU and DePaul since entering the transfer portal this morning.
First-team All-MVC guard averaged 19.0 points, 6.1 rebounds and 3.2 assists
Told y'all he was going to transfer ;)
Freeman definitely not a shooter, 100% a slashing guard, but one of the best finishers I've ever seen from a PG. Handles the ball really well.
Kind of got put on the back burner because he was apart of a loaded class in Illinois with THT and Ayo Dosunmu. Always liked him better than Ayo.
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Elijah Weaver is transferring from USC. Sit 1, play 2, former top 50 recruit. His offensive stats are scary bad but he has great size for the PG position and was known as a very good defender on a very good defensive team (USC was #18 defense per KenPom). Wouldn't be my top choice but we could do worse. Doubt we get involved but who knows, maybe he was inspired by the beatdown we gave them in Orlando and wants to join up. ;D
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FWIW coach Hsu started following JFL a couple days before he entered his name into the draft... It's almost like DePaul had a plan in place for this to happen. They reposted his post on both Instagram and Twitter. Things look good here.
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Sounds like Olivier Sarr, the big from Wake Forest will be putting his name in the transfer portal...now that's a guy that anyone that has an open scholarship(and probably some that don't), will go after. heck Kentucky fans have been tweeting at him since manning got fired.
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Sounds like Olivier Sarr, the big from Wake Forest will be putting his name in the transfer portal...now that's a guy that anyone that has an open scholarship(and probably some that don't), will go after. heck Kentucky fans have been tweeting at him since manning got fired.
Posted 10 double-doubles last year. Really impressive advanced numbers. Wonder if he will be immediately eligible, would be one of the best players to hit the portal this year.
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Bingo! Wojo pulls this one off, and with the addition of Carton, he deserves a statue on campus, it would be THAT good.
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USC’s Elijah Weaver enters transfer portal. Definitely worth an inquiry. Weaver was a four-star point guard in USC’s recruiting class of 2018. At that time he ranked 45th nationally In the 247Sports composite.
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I couldn't help but laugh.
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If we ever do get to cannonizing Wojo, I would certainly hope it involves a recreation of the whiteboard incident.
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Posted 10 double-doubles last year. Really impressive advanced numbers. Wonder if he will be immediately eligible, would be one of the best players to hit the portal this year.
uhhhhh yeah, he'd be a big upgrade over Jayce (who I liked)
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I couldn't help but laugh.
Look Nads, Woj's weenie is covered up......or missing, hey?
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USC’s Elijah Weaver enters transfer portal. Definitely worth an inquiry. Weaver was a four-star point guard in USC’s recruiting class of 2018. At that time he ranked 45th nationally In the 247Sports composite.
No offense but do you ever read the thread before posting?
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No offense but do you ever read the thread before posting?
Looking up 5 whole posts is such an effort, though...
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Per Evan Daniels, Marquette is one of 20+ schools to reach out to USC transfer guard Elijah Weaver.
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I missed it--What's the story on Mane.
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I missed it--What's the story on Mane.
He's not transferring.
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Marcus Santos-Silva to Texas Tech.
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Marcus Santos-Silva to Texas Tech.
Lol At TT scholarship situation.
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Lol At TT scholarship situation.
Guess they have some nervous guys on the roster at this point....
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Lol At TT scholarship situation.
Are they like 4 or 5 over now?
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No offense but do you ever read the thread before posting?
seriously? You are calling me out for that? Let me guess...you are old, alone, and in moms basement wearing Badger logo’d underwear.
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seriously? You are calling me out for that? Let me guess...you are old, alone, and in moms basement wearing Badger logo’d underwear.
A better approach would be to say something along the lines of "Oh sorry. I will try to do better in the future." But I guess you decided to go with the middle school insults instead.
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seriously? You are calling me out for that? Let me guess...you are old, alone, and in moms basement wearing Badger logo’d underwear.
Won't respond to your insults, but it seems like half of your 80 posts are repeating what someone has already said in the thread. It takes 2 minutes to catch up on the latest posts to see if anyone has already posted that information.
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He's not transferring.
He asked about Mane. Mane declared for the draft, probably won't know anything until mid-June.
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He asked about Mane. Mane declared for the draft, probably won't know anything until mid-June.
In the transfer thread. Hence the tongue in cheek response
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Marcus Santos-Silva to Texas Tech.
Folks on this board have had a lot of nice things to say about Chris Beard -- and for good reason. He's been a hell of a coach, and I wish we had him.
But when folks want to take a shot at any Marquette coach (not just Wojo) for over-recruiting by 1 or 2 players, let's do remember all the Beard-trimming that's about to take place at TT.
ABC -- Always Be Recruiting.
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TT is going to need tryouts for their scholarship players
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TT is going to need tryouts for their scholarship players
Third place: you're fired.
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He's not transferring.
well done.
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Won't respond to your insults, but it seems like half of your 80 posts are repeating what someone has already said in the thread. It takes 2 minutes to catch up on the latest posts to see if anyone has already posted that information.
...but you just responded. Go follow Notre Dame.
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Third place: you're fired.
F%@# you, that’s my name. You know why, Mister? Cuz you drove a Hyundai to get here tonight; I drove an eighty thousand dollar BMW -- that’s my name! And your name is you’re wanting. And you can’t play in a man’s game. You can’t close them. And you go home and tell your wife your troubles. Because only one thing counts in this life: Get them to sign on the line which is dotted.
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...but you just responded. Go follow Notre Dame.
To your insults. WOrdz r hard - mayby thts wy all yor posts r useless
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Per ESPN Creighton Forward Damien Jefferson has declared for the NBA Draft, becoming the third player for the Bluejays to explore the possibility of turning professional.
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...but you just responded. Go follow Notre Dame.
Who invited the d*ckbag?
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Who invited the d*ckbag?
ok, that’s a good one. Definitely :) :)
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Heard at work today no one who went thru the transfer portal has been drafted in the NBA Draft the last couple years is this true
Heard they have not been drafted but have made NBA rosters. Does anyone know if this is true
If true believe hopefully Carton will change this
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Are they like 4 or 5 over now?
It's okay that's what the Chris Beard Memorial Transfer Portal is for.
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UNLV’s Donnie Tillman is transferring, source told @Stadium
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Heard at work today no one who went thru the transfer portal has been drafted in the NBA Draft the last couple years is this true
Heard they have not been drafted but have made NBA rosters. Does anyone know if this is true
If true believe hopefully Carton will change this
Nigel Williams-Goss from Washington to Gonzaga, Damyean Dotson from Oregon to Houston, Semi Ojeleye from Duke to SMU, and Derrick White from D2 Colorado Springs to Colorado all were drafted in 2017. Cameron Johnson from Pittsburgh to UNC was drafted in the 2019 lottery. So not an accurate statement you heard.
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Nigel Williams-Goss from Washington to Gonzaga, Damyean Dotson from Oregon to Houston, Semi Ojeleye from Duke to SMU, and Derrick White from D2 Colorado Springs to Colorado all were drafted in 2017. Cameron Johnson from Pittsburgh to UNC was drafted in the 2019 lottery. So not an accurate statement you heard.
Yep. A good rule of thumb - if you heard it on sports talk radio; assume the opposite is closer to the truth.
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UNLV’s Donnie Tillman is transferring, source told @Stadium
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We recruited him out of high school though I believe Stan was the lead. He was better as a Ute. Wouldn't mind if we kicked the tires. I seem to recall that he knew Greg or Jamal but I might be thinking of someone else
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We recruited him out of high school though I believe Stan was the lead. He was better as a Ute. Wouldn't mind if we kicked the tires. I seem to recall that he knew Greg or Jamal but I might be thinking of someone else
Think youre thinking Xavier Tillman.
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No--I thought there was another Tillman we were in on after Xavier. Not sure if it was Donnie though.
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No--I thought there was another Tillman we were in on after Xavier. Not sure if it was Donnie though.
we were in on him. But he is out of Monteverde if I remember right. Not sure how he'd cross with Jamal and Greg.
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we were in on him. But he is out of Monteverde if I remember right. Not sure how he'd cross with Jamal and Greg.
hes from Detroit
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hes from Detroit
Ah. Then I'm off on this one.
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UNLV’s Donnie Tillman is transferring, source told @Stadium
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He'll look good in a Texas Tech uniform.
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Ah. Then I'm off on this one.
https://hurricanesports.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/harlond-beverly/12540
I think this is who you were thinking of?
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Nigel Williams-Goss from Washington to Gonzaga, Damyean Dotson from Oregon to Houston, Semi Ojeleye from Duke to SMU, and Derrick White from D2 Colorado Springs to Colorado all were drafted in 2017. Cameron Johnson from Pittsburgh to UNC was drafted in the 2019 lottery. So not an accurate statement you heard.
Thank You!
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He'll look good in a Texas Techtryout uniform.
FIFY
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We were on Donnie early but I don't think he was a top priority.
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We were on Donnie early but I don't think he was a top priority.
MU was also in on him when he transferred from Utah to UNLV
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MU was also in on him when he transferred from Utah to UNLV
Gotcha. I didn't recall that.
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It’s now “highly unlikely” that the one-time transfer waiver will go into effect immediately after the Board of Directors recommended that changes are not appropriate at this time, sources told
@Stadium
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UNLV’s Donnie Tillman is transferring, source told @Stadium
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Pass.
https://m.lasvegassun.com/news/2020/apr/30/donnie-tillman-transferring-from-unlv-after-one-se/
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It’s now “highly unlikely” that the one-time transfer waiver will go into effect immediately after the Board of Directors recommended that changes are not appropriate at this time, sources told
@Stadium
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Would hope DJ could still land a waiver. But would definitely throw wrench into things for some of the others MU is pursuing
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Would hope DJ could still land a waiver. But would definitely throw wrench into things for some of the others MU is pursuing
Not really. Other than Carton and known grad transfers, the staff was planning on all others to have to sit a year.
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Does anyone know who is likely to be cut from Texas Tech? Maybe we'll be able to land a guy
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Olivier Saar of Wake Forest. 7 footer. All ACC. 14 and 9. Damn. Applying for a waiver. Daaaaaammmnnn.
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Olivier Saar of Wake Forest. 7 footer. All ACC. 14 and 9. Damn. Applying for a waiver. Daaaaaammmnnn.
I think we have a new leader for the most coveted transfer this off season.
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I think we have a new leader for the most coveted transfer this off season.
Chris Beard just called him, no doubt.
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I think we have a new leader for the most coveted transfer this off season.
And it's not even close to be honest. That's with all due respect to DJ Carton who was a fantastic get. Kentucky fans have been blowing up his social media for weeks..EVERYONE and I mean everyone will be on him, including MU.
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And it's not even close to be honest. That's with all due respect to DJ Carton who was a fantastic get. Kentucky fans have been blowing up his social media for weeks..EVERYONE and I mean everyone will be on him, including MU.
What do you think MU's chances are?
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What do you think MU's chances are?
Slim and none!
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What do you think MU's chances are?
Probably slim and none, but...I do think Killings might have a connection there somewhere, that's based strictly off of the fact that he has followed him on twitter for a long time.
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And it's not even close to be honest. That's with all due respect to DJ Carton who was a fantastic get. Kentucky fans have been blowing up his social media for weeks..EVERYONE and I mean everyone will be on him, including MU.
The Kentucky fans blowing up his social media are losers
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The Kentucky fans blowing up his social media are losers
Creepy, hey cheeks?
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Lol
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Creepy, hey cheeks?
Being called cheeks is a lifetime low
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Olivier Saar of Wake Forest. 7 footer. All ACC. 14 and 9. Damn. Applying for a waiver. Daaaaaammmnnn.
Want. Always be recruiting.
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Being called cheeks is a lifetime low
As low as Tweeting/Instagramming/Facebooking a 17 year old boy/recruit?
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Olivier Saar of Wake Forest. 7 footer. All ACC. 14 and 9. Damn. Applying for a waiver. Daaaaaammmnnn.
Just watched his highlights, wow he is good
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As low as Tweeting/Instagramming/Facebooking a 17 year old boy/recruit?
Close call
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And it's not even close to be honest. That's with all due respect to DJ Carton who was a fantastic get. Kentucky fans have been blowing up his social media for weeks..EVERYONE and I mean everyone will be on him, including MU.
Eh...Give me Carton over Sarr, especially if you factor in Sarr only having 1 year left and Carton theoretically having 3. Sarr put up big numbers for a very bad team in a down ACC. Don't get me wrong, still one of the top transfers of the year, maybe #2, but I'd take Carton first.
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Eh...Give me Carton over Sarr, especially if you factor in Sarr only having 1 year left and Carton theoretically having 3. Sarr put up big numbers for a very bad team in a down ACC. Don't get me wrong, still one of the top transfers of the year, maybe #2, but I'd take Carton first.
Arguably, Carton isn't even the best transfer even if you don't include Sarr.
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Arguably, Carton isn't even the best transfer even if you don't include Sarr.
Sure, its all a matter of opinion. Personally, I think a former 5-star, with three years left, who averaged double digit scoring with tremendous efficiency numbers, for a top 10 team, that plays the most important position on the floor is the top transfer available.
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Sure, its all a matter of opinion. Personally, I think a former 5-star, with three years left, who averaged double digit scoring with tremendous efficiency numbers, for a top 10 team, that plays the most important position on the floor is the top transfer available.
Yep. Carton is no longer the big shiny prize after a couple weeks. People lose focus quickly.
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Sure, its all a matter of opinion. Personally, I think a former 5-star, with three years left, who averaged double digit scoring with tremendous efficiency numbers, for a top 10 team, that plays the most important position on the floor is the top transfer available.
The problem is, there's a better chance of one of us playing for MU next year than there is of Carton staying all 3 years. Probably slim chance he's at MU two years. Hope he is, but doubtful. Sarr is a beast...10 double doubles last year, and let's remember he played in the ACC he faced good competition every night as well. take nothing away from DJ, again a fantastic get, but I can 100% assure you there will be far more schools(including bluebloods) chasing Sarr, then there ever were chasing DJ. What does that tell you??
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The problem is, there's a better chance of one of us playing for MU next year than there is of Carton staying all 3 years. Probably slim chance he's at MU two years. Hope he is, but doubtful. Sarr is a beast...10 double doubles last year, and let's remember he played in the ACC he faced good competition every night as well. take nothing away from DJ, again a fantastic get, but I can 100% assure you there will be far more schools(including bluebloods) chasing Sarr, then there ever were chasing DJ. What does that tell you??
That DJ said that he wanted to be closer to home because of his mental health issues, and Sarr has pretty much said that he wants to win, and is willing to go anywhere to do that. I also believe I read that he (Sarr) said that if he doesn't get a waiver to play immediately that he's going to go pro in Europe. There's also been much more media focus on Sarr because of the fact that the Manning situation had been developing for months, while Carton very intentionally played things close to the vest, as well as his actions being spread out (ie taking a leave months ago) whereas everything "official" with Wake has happened in about a weeks time.
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Eh...Give me Carton over Sarr, especially if you factor in Sarr only having 1 year left and Carton theoretically having 3. Sarr put up big numbers for a very bad team in a down ACC. Don't get me wrong, still one of the top transfers of the year, maybe #2, but I'd take Carton first.
The good news, it doesn't have to be either or. We have Carton. Now let's get Sarr.
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Sure, its all a matter of opinion. Personally, I think a former 5-star, with three years left, who averaged double digit scoring with tremendous efficiency numbers, for a top 10 team, that plays the most important position on the floor is the top transfer available.
This. Sarr will be a great get for whomever gets him, but Carton is still the biggest prize this off-season.
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So the question will be...where will Saar Land.
(German geography joke.)
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The problem is, there's a better chance of one of us playing for MU next year than there is of Carton staying all 3 years. Probably slim chance he's at MU two years. Hope he is, but doubtful. Sarr is a beast...10 double doubles last year, and let's remember he played in the ACC he faced good competition every night as well. take nothing away from DJ, again a fantastic get, but I can 100% assure you there will be far more schools(including bluebloods) chasing Sarr, then there ever were chasing DJ. What does that tell you??
The Big 10 was much better than the ACC last season and I don't know how accurate your statement about more schools chasing Sarr is. I think just about every school in the country reached out to Carton but he made it quickly known that he wanted to stay closer to home. I'd also point out that there has been very few big men quality big man transfers this season, lack of supply creates more demand.
I'd also point out your first sentence. If you think Carton is a lock to go pro after 2 seasons and Sarr is going to play all 4 years of college, what does that tell you?
I'd also like to be clear again, I'm not knocking Sarr at all. He'll be fantastic for whoever gets him. I just think that highly of Carton.
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So the question will be...where will Saar Land.
(German geography joke.)
(https://media.tenor.com/images/c5a1d3dd26dd30b81a2d675be3e67cb1/tenor.gif)
(too soon?)
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Yep. Carton is no longer the big shiny prize after a couple weeks. People lose focus quickly.
Laughed at this. Also nodded my head in agreement.
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You've got to be unnatural carnal knowledgeing kidding me....really?? Something REALLY smells at DePaul right now...two transfers, both in the portal for at most two days, and one of the worst CBB teams in the country lands them both?? And it's on the up and up?? C'mon man! Marc H$u strikes again.
https://twitter.com/AintuJavon/status/1256297358566002689/photo/1
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You've got to be unnatural carnal knowledgeing kidding me....really?? Something REALLY smells at DePaul right now...two transfers, both in the portal for at most two days, and one of the worst CBB teams in the country lands them both?? And it's on the up and up?? C'mon man! Marc H$u strikes again.
https://twitter.com/AintuJavon/status/1256297358566002689/photo/1
Haven't you said you want programs to do whatever it takes to win? DePaul appears to be doing just that
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You've got to be unnatural carnal knowledgeing kidding me....really?? Something REALLY smells at DePaul right now...two transfers, both in the portal for at most two days, and one of the worst CBB teams in the country lands them both?? And it's on the up and up?? C'mon man! Marc H$u strikes again.
https://twitter.com/AintuJavon/status/1256297358566002689/photo/1
told you all DePaul or another Chicago school is he would have to go to if he was legit about being close to grandma and getting a waiver and why would he go to LUC or UIC after the stats he's put up?
And yes, we all hate DePaul, but one of the worst CBB teams in the country? Then what was MU considering they beat us?
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Legal tampering period for the portal.
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told you all DePaul or another Chicago school is he would have to go to if he was legit about being close to grandma and getting a waiver and why would he go to LUC or UIC after the stats he's put up?
And yes, we all hate DePaul, but one of the worst CBB teams in the country? Then what was MU considering they beat us?
What's their overall record in the last 6-7 years?? That speaks for itself.
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Haven't you said you want programs to do whatever it takes to win? DePaul appears to be doing just that
1000% incorrect...never ever said this. But on that note, thought you were razzing me about not believing what recruits say...Carton said he wanted to be closer to home...he is. Freeman-Liberty said he wanted to be closer to home...he is(albeit with "incentives"). Sometimes these kids really do mean what they say. Now Jamarius Burton on the other hand...
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1000% incorrect...never ever said this. But on that note, thought you were razzing me about not believing what recruits say...Carton said he wanted to be closer to home...he is. Freeman-Liberty said he wanted to be closer to home...he is(albeit with "incentives").
You don't know this.
And it's not like he was far from home before.
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Guys, this isn’t a surprise. He wanted to transfer there last year but his mom moved out to Valpo.
I told you guys a month into the season he was going to transfer. I knew he was on Marquette’s radar but him going to DePaul is hardly shocking.
He loves Chicago and was criminally under recruited out of high school. I highly doubt there was any tampering. He just didn’t play the AAU game like others and his initial offers suffered.
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You don't know this.
And it's not like he was far from home before.
Marc H$u is an assistant there, his record at Western Kentucky speaks for itself...I mean people levy accusations against Kentucky, etc all the time, and no one doubts them. There is ZERO chance any ball player worth his salt, regardless of circumstances willingly goes to DePaul and wants to lose like they do.
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Marc H$u is an assistant there, his record at Western Kentucky speaks for itself...I mean people levy accusations against Kentucky, etc all the time, and no one doubts them. There is ZERO chance any ball player worth his salt, regardless of circumstances willingly goes to DePaul and wants to lose like they do.
hmm well if they frame it as getting Depaul back to former greatness then it should work as history's shown that any idiot will believe a make "Insert blank" great again slogan.
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Marc H$u is an assistant there, his record at Western Kentucky speaks for itself...I mean people levy accusations against Kentucky, etc all the time, and no one doubts them. There is ZERO chance any ball player worth his salt, regardless of circumstances willingly goes to DePaul and wants to lose like they do.
Well that’s a false statement too.
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Well that’s a false statement too.
Keep in mind, this is the same program that got dinged for their involvement with Brian Bowen
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This. Sarr will be a great get for whomever gets him, but Carton is still the biggest prize this off-season.
That seems like an opinion. There have been more than a few sites that didn't list Carton as the top prize. I'm ecstatic that we got him, and can't wait to see what he does.
Just sayin.
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Wake Forest writer on Sarr...Just sayin'...
“That’s a valid question,” Johns said. “He’s more reserved, for sure. And he liked the small campus and small media environment here at Wake.”
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You've got to be unnatural carnal knowledgeing kidding me....really?? Something REALLY smells at DePaul right now...two transfers, both in the portal for at most two days, and one of the worst CBB teams in the country lands them both?? And it's on the up and up?? C'mon man! Marc H$u strikes again.
https://twitter.com/AintuJavon/status/1256297358566002689/photo/1
Depaul is no where near "one of worst CBB teams in the country".
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Depaul is no where near "one of worst CBB teams in the country".
Alright, let me rephrase that then since people seemingly are having an issue...one of the worst teams in a high major conference in the country. INDISPUTABLE. You are what your record says you are...it speaks for itself.
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Alright, let me rephrase that then since people seemingly are having an issue...one of the worst teams in a high major conference in the country. INDISPUTABLE. You are what your record says you are...it speaks for itself.
That's fair - though they certainly weren't last year. Its good for the Big East for Depaul to improve. Not sure why you have such an issue with them.
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That's fair - though they certainly weren't last year. Its good for the Big East for Depaul to improve. Not sure why you have such an issue with them.
Last place DePaul won @ Minnesota, @ Iowa, and wins vs. Northwestern and Texas Tech at home.
Was that good for the BE? Hell yes!
If Georgetown and St. Johns and DePaul (teams I keep hearing would be good for the BE if they improved)....and leave MU and Creighton and X behind.....that would be good for the Big East.
Great. I don't want to see those teams pass us.
I think what is great for the BE is when the last place team goes 3-0 against the Big? and other quality non con wins.
Saying these teams improving means they very well could improve against us.
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I think it’s good for the redo BE when original members like St Johns and Gtown are solid, UConn too. DePaul, never liked em...but big market team, also good for the BE if they are stout, IMO.
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I think it’s good for the redo BE when original members like St Johns and Gtown are solid, UConn too. DePaul, never liked em...but big market team, also good for the BE if they are stout, IMO.
It's meaningless. We were fine when Creighton in small town Omaha had the NPOY, Xavier in medium sized Cincy was a 1-seed, and when underdog Butler was in the Sweet 16.
It matters that we have good teams, but whether it's Providence or UConn, Xavier or Georgetown, Marquette or DePaul doesn't matter. Maybe that mattered 30 years ago, but not today when everyone gets national exposure & fans can find whatever teams they want to watch.
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I know depaul got freeman today, who was the other transfer they got?
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I know depaul got freeman today, who was the other transfer they got?
D2 kid Courvasair McCauley...but it came out of nowhere, kid was in the portal for a day and next thing you know...he had committed to DePaul.
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D2 kid Courvasair McCauley...but it came out of nowhere, kid was in the portal for a day and next thing you know...he had committed to DePaul.
ohh right, I totally forgot
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It's nice to see that guru has something else to get amped about besides the kids our strength coach is following on the twitters.
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Marc H$u is an assistant there, his record at Western Kentucky speaks for itself...I mean people levy accusations against Kentucky, etc all the time, and no one doubts them. There is ZERO chance any ball player worth his salt, regardless of circumstances willingly goes to DePaul and wants to lose like they do.
::)
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Depaul is no where near "one of worst CBB teams in the country".
They most be located pretty close to Chicago St.
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They most be located pretty close to Chicago St.
Haha! Love it.
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Jake
@jakeweingarten
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Memphis, Iowa State, Marquette, Georgia Tech, Illinois, make up the finalists for Gardner-Webb transfer Jose Perez, he told @Stockrisers
.
One of the most highly-touted available transfers cuts his list. Big time scorer.
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hmm well if they frame it as getting Depaul back to former greatness then it should work as history's shown that any idiot will believe a make "Insert blank" great again slogan.
Look, I rather hope DePaul gets back to what they were in the early 1980s. The showdowns between us and them were epic and if they’re good, the entire Big East will get press and coverage in Chicago. Especially if we emerge as a really really good team.
It will improve recruiting for the conference.
Back before Covid-19, I was at the Marquette/DePaul fiasco at the Winnie. It was a debacle we never should have lost. But that place would be incredible if DePaul suddenly got really good. Probably would be the worst place to play in our conference.
Let’s hope DePaul recovers to what it once was — just like we need to.
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Jake
@jakeweingarten
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2m
Memphis, Iowa State, Marquette, Georgia Tech, Illinois, make up the finalists for Gardner-Webb transfer Jose Perez, he told @Stockrisers
.
One of the most highly-touted available transfers cuts his list. Big time scorer.
I..just don't see it with this guy. But if we're out on other transfers then by all means, bring him in to fill a scholarship. Here's to hoping he proves me wrong
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I..just don't see it with this guy. But if we're out on other transfers then by all means, bring him in to fill a scholarship. Here's to hoping he proves me wrong
Still have an opening for Mane even with Perez. I’d take him all day. Hope we can land him.
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Sounds like Perez to Memphis
https://twitter.com/wejustdontmiss/status/1256987132901691393?s=21
This is the account who’s been breaking G League news, etc over last month
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Sounds like Perez to Memphis
https://twitter.com/wejustdontmiss/status/1256987132901691393?s=21
This is the account who’s been breaking G League news, etc over last month
Odd fit for a NY kid, especially since Memphis is also in the final 4 for Deandre Williams from Evansville, sure they can take both but..
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Still have an opening for Mane even with Perez. I’d take him all day. Hope we can land him.
Yeah, if they don't land Perez, or Weaver(really the last two transfers they are known to be in on), it will be interesting to see what they do. I can see holding one especially if they feel good about Mane, or for a mid season transfer but I don't see them holding both scholarships open. So if it's not Perez, and not Weaver, then who?? This smells of something happening out of the clear blue that none of us saw coming or weren't expecting. Gotta believe MU must feel pretty good about something though, because they didn't reach out to Nike Sibande, the Miami Oh transfer, and let's face it, MU has reached out to just about every good Guard transfer, and he'd be one of the tops available for sure.
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I..just don't see it with this guy. But if we're out on other transfers then by all means, bring him in to fill a scholarship. Here's to hoping he proves me wrong
Look at his freshman year stats and you'll get it. The hope is he reverts to his fr year self if given a year off to develop and better teammates to take attention off him
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Yeah, if they don't land Perez, or Weaver(really the last two transfers they are known to be in on), it will be interesting to see what they do. I can see holding one especially if they feel good about Mane, or for a mid season transfer but I don't see them holding both scholarships open. So if it's not Perez, and not Weaver, then who?? This smells of something happening out of the clear blue that none of us saw coming or weren't expecting. Gotta believe MU must feel pretty good about something though, because they didn't reach out to Nike Sibande, the Miami Oh transfer, and let's face it, MU has reached out to just about every good Guard transfer, and he'd be one of the tops available for sure.
Perhaps they add Jonah Antonio into the mix, as I believe he’s still out there
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Perhaps they add Jonah Antonio into the mix, as I believe he’s still out there
If that's what it came down to, then I'd rather hold both open(even if that's not ideal). That's just me, others would feel differently of course.
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Sounds like Perez to Memphis
https://twitter.com/wejustdontmiss/status/1256987132901691393?s=21
This is the account who’s been breaking G League news, etc over last month
Tweet is deleted already
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Tweet is deleted already
Yep
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I..just don't see it with this guy. But if we're out on other transfers then by all means, bring him in to fill a scholarship. Here's to hoping he proves me wrong
Tremendous skill, great size, very good bball IQ hes a keeper
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Tweet is deleted already
What did the tweet say??
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What did the tweet say??
Along the lines of “Memphis is the leader of the pack. It looks like they could be adding a new piece soon!”
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What did the tweet say??
This was the tweet...
#TheRealSources
@wejustdontmiss
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7m
All signs as of now indicate that #Memphis is leading the pack for another transfer
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This was the tweet...
#TheRealSources
@wejustdontmiss
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7m
All signs as of now indicate that #Memphis is leading the pack for another transfer
Lol no name??
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Lol no name??
It quoted the tweet of teams, so kind of obvious who they were talking about.
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Lol no name??
It directly quoted Perez's final 5 and that was their response.
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Remaining targets on T Rank transfer cast:
Jose Perez - drop 1, 62 to 63
Jonah Antonio - drops 2, 62 to 64
Elijah Weaver - drops 3, 62 to 65
And for kicks and giggles, Hiroshima edition; if Carton doesn’t get a waiver & Bailey stays in draft drop from 62 to 101
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So Bailey is the difference between mid 70s and 101? Seems like a stretch.
But ya, a Carton-less Marquette next year is not an NIT team. Eammon Brennan from the Athletic's projection of 5/11 is insanely optimistic without Carton.
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So Bailey is the difference between mid 70s and 101? Seems like a stretch.
But ya, a Carton-less Marquette next year is not an NIT team. Eammon Brennan from the Athletic's projection of 5/11 is insanely optimistic without Carton.
I'm not sure WITH Carton they are an NCAA team, possibly close/bubble type team, but I really feel like they are missing one more good player from being a team that you feel good about being in the tourney. Problem is, there isn't anyone out there like that barring a miracle in getting Olivier Sarr and he somehow got a waiver.
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Remaining targets on T Rank transfer cast:
Jose Perez - drop 1, 62 to 63
Jonah Antonio - drops 2, 62 to 64
Elijah Weaver - drops 3, 62 to 65
And for kicks and giggles, Hiroshima edition; if Carton doesn’t get a waiver & Bailey stays in draft drop from 62 to 101
The only way I see Bailey staying in is if he developed a love of independence during his mission and has decided he’d rather play overseas than have to go to college. Mika at BYU left for that reason. However, he was married, older, more productive in college, and as a big, had higher immediate earning potential. I don’t see it in Bailey though, especially being the son of a long time NBA player.
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As far as we know, MU is still in on Ray Salnave right? I haven't seen a final list posted anywhere.
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Can someone put together a list of potential transfers we have been mentioned with?
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As far as we know, MU is still in on Ray Salnave right? I haven't seen a final list posted anywhere.
I think that ships has sailed. Saw the other day some new teams had gotten involved recently.
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Can someone put together a list of potential transfers we have been mentioned with?
This is easy..there's only 2
Jose Perez-Gardner Webb
Elijah Weaver-USC(think he's Central Florida bound).
That's it, that's the list of still available transfers that MU has been mentioned with.
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This is easy..there's only 2
Jose Perez-Gardner Webb
Elijah Weaver-USC(think he's Central Florida bound).
That's it, that's the list of still available transfers that MU has been mentioned with.
Jonah Antonio?
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Wow, big one here...
Matt Zenitz
@mzenitz
· 17m
Have learned that Arizona State forward Romello White has entered the transfer portal as a grad transfer.
Atlanta native who has been a three-year starter for Arizona State. Averaged 10.2 points and 8.8 rebounds per game last season.
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Jonah Antonio?
Nope...
Jake
@jakeweingarten
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Apr 22
Rhode Island’s staff will conduct an in-home virtual visit with UNLV graduate transfer Jonah Antonio, he told @Stockrisers
. Staff really making a major push at him.
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Jake
@jakeweingarten
· Apr 20
Rhode Island and UT-Arlington offered UNLV graduate transfer Jonah Antonio, he told @Stockrisers. His recruitment remains open as well; BYU, Minnesota and DePaul are also involved.
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Heat Check Hoops
@HeatCheckHoops
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15m
After releasing his Final 5 earlier today, Gardner Webb transfer Jose Perez (@showout_zayy15
) has picked up two crystal ball predictions for @MarquetteMBB
and HC Steve Wojciechowski via @247Sports
. #MUBB
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Heat Check Hoops
@HeatCheckHoops
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15m
After releasing his Final 5 earlier today, Gardner Webb transfer Jose Perez (@showout_zayy15
) has picked up two crystal ball predictions for @MarquetteMBB
and HC Steve Wojciechowski via @247Sports
. #MUBB
Paging JB
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Paging JB
Chad Lykins and Andrew Slater
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Heat Check Hoops
@HeatCheckHoops
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15m
After releasing his Final 5 earlier today, Gardner Webb transfer Jose Perez (@showout_zayy15
) has picked up two crystal ball predictions for @MarquetteMBB
and HC Steve Wojciechowski via @247Sports
. #MUBB
Nice!! Im very high on this kid!!!
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Heat Check Hoops
@HeatCheckHoops
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15m
After releasing his Final 5 earlier today, Gardner Webb transfer Jose Perez (@showout_zayy15
) has picked up two crystal ball predictions for @MarquetteMBB
and HC Steve Wojciechowski via @247Sports
. #MUBB
Sit one n play 2??
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Sit one n play 2??
Yes
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Heat Check Hoops
@HeatCheckHoops
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15m
After releasing his Final 5 earlier today, Gardner Webb transfer Jose Perez (@showout_zayy15
) has picked up two crystal ball predictions for @MarquetteMBB
and HC Steve Wojciechowski via @247Sports
. #MUBB
Welp sounds like we might end up cheering him on sooner than later. Let’s hope he brings that freshman season game
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Welp sounds like we might end up cheering him on sooner than later. Let’s hope he brings that freshman season game
Saw this on another board...
Here's some numbers for Perez against Good competition...
This year:
North Carolina...12 pts, 5 rebounds, 5 assists
South Carolina...12 pts, 7 rebounds, 3 assists
Virginia Tech...12 pts, 9 rebounds, 2 assists
2019(Freshman)
VCU....16 pts, 5 rebounds, 1 assist
Va Tech...9 points, 4 rebounds
Georgia Tech...12 points, 4 rebounds, 8 assists
Wake Forest...14 points, 3 rebounds, 3 assists
Virginia(NCAA tourney)....19 points, 3 rebounds, 3 assists
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This year:
North Carolina...12 pts, 5 rebounds, 5 assists
South Carolina...12 pts, 7 rebounds, 3 assists
Virginia Tech...12 pts, 9 rebounds, 2 assists
7/22 (31.8%) from 2, 4/19 (21.1%) from 3. 31.7% eFG%. Sub-85 ORtg in all three of those games. That's really bad.
Better as a freshman, but he generally hasn't been very efficient against the best competition.
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If Wojo and his assistants want him, I want him.
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7/22 (31.8%) from 2, 4/19 (21.1%) from 3. 31.7% eFG%. Sub-85 ORtg in all three of those games. That's really bad.
Better as a freshman, but he generally hasn't been very efficient against the best competition.
Look, admittedly, he is not a perfect player, and I understand people having reservations, it's probably warranted. But unless MU can amazingly Pull Olivier Sarr and/or Romello White, there isn't much left out there. Would I have much rather they landed Turner or Burton?? 100% yes..Unfortunately that didn't happen. It still allows them a scholarship available for Mane as well.
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This is very unusual, you don't see this everyday...
UCLAFAN
@UCLABBALLFBFAN
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49m
Romello White’s name is in the transfer portal with a “do not contact” designation, signifying he likely has a destination determined
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mmungMhc5eQ
7/22 (31.8%) from 2, 4/19 (21.1%) from 3. 31.7% eFG%. Sub-85 ORtg in all three of those games. That's really bad.
Better as a freshman, but he generally hasn't been very efficient against the best competition.
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7/22 (31.8%) from 2, 4/19 (21.1%) from 3. 31.7% eFG%. Sub-85 ORtg in all three of those games. That's really bad.
Better as a freshman, but he generally hasn't been very efficient against the best competition.
Hasn’t been very efficient against any level of competition. The sdvanaceed stats just aren’t there. Like TAMU said, all we can do is hope he improves as Third or fourth fiddle.
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7/22 (31.8%) from 2, 4/19 (21.1%) from 3. 31.7% eFG%. Sub-85 ORtg in all three of those games. That's really bad.
Better as a freshman, but he generally hasn't been very efficient against the best competition.
He was very good as a freshman in his 4 games against Tier A competition (per KenPom)
116.2 Ortg, 62.5% eFG% 18.8 DR%, 13.9 TORate....all those numbers better than what he averaged for the season.
at VCU (Top 50 NCCAT team): 29 minutes, 16 points, 5 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 turnover, 4/5 2P, 1/4 3P, 5.9 FT
at Virginia Tech (top 15 Buzz version): 21 minutes, 9 points, 4 rebounds, 0 assists, 4 turnovers, 2/2 2P, 0/2 3P, 5/6 FT
at Furman (top 60 Nova beating version): 33 minutes, 23 points, 7 rebounds, 1 assist, 0 turnovers, 7/10 2P, 1/7 3P, 6/7 FT
vs. Virginia (National Champions): 35 minutes, 19 points, 3 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 turnovers, 3/4 2P, 4/6 3P, 1/2 FT
Despite this, I'm still skeptical given his regression his sophomore year. But a year off and better teammates, I could see him becoming a capable 4th or 5th starter in the Big East or a very good piece off the bench.
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He was very good as a freshman in his 4 games against Tier A competition (per KenPom)
116.2 Ortg, 62.5% eFG% 18.8 DR%, 13.9 TORate....all those numbers better than what he averaged for the season.
at VCU (Top 50 NCCAT team): 29 minutes, 16 points, 5 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 turnover, 4/5 2P, 1/4 3P, 5.9 FT
at Virginia Tech (top 15 Buzz version): 21 minutes, 9 points, 4 rebounds, 0 assists, 4 turnovers, 2/2 2P, 0/2 3P, 5/6 FT
at Furman (top 60 Nova beating version): 33 minutes, 23 points, 7 rebounds, 1 assist, 0 turnovers, 7/10 2P, 1/7 3P, 6/7 FT
vs. Virginia (National Champions): 35 minutes, 19 points, 3 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 turnovers, 3/4 2P, 4/6 3P, 1/2 FT
Despite this, I'm still skeptical given his regression his sophomore year. But a year off and better teammates, I could see him becoming a capable 4th or 5th starter in the Big East or a very good piece off the bench.
I did see it said somewhere that his regression may have had to do with the fact his teammates weren't as good this year as his Freshman year, so he had a lot more attention on him.
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I’ll take a 6’5” guard who’s willing to hit the post and will have a year off to work in his game.
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So Bailey is the difference between mid 70s and 101? Seems like a stretch.
But ya, a Carton-less Marquette next year is not an NIT team. Eammon Brennan from the Athletic's projection of 5/11 is insanely optimistic without Carton.
Without just Carton the drop is 62 to 81
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7/22 (31.8%) from 2, 4/19 (21.1%) from 3. 31.7% eFG%. Sub-85 ORtg in all three of those games. That's really bad.
Better as a freshman, but he generally hasn't been very efficient against the best competition.
Extremely high usage. Avg 14 shots per game on a sub .500 Big South team while shooting 34% FG, 38% 3P, 38% eFG & 73% FT
T-rank down on him, but I’m of the opinion it Beats an open scholarship spot
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Heat Check Hoops
@HeatCheckHoops
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15m
After releasing his Final 5 earlier today, Gardner Webb transfer Jose Perez (@showout_zayy15
) has picked up two crystal ball predictions
for @MarquetteMBB
and HC Steve Wojciechowski via @247Sports
. #MUBB
Good News And Thank You!!
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mmungMhc5eQ
Mixtapes are fine, but also the reason we thought Juan Anderson was the next Evan Turner. What the numbers show is that he's not able to consistently perform at that level.
I get that the hope is Perez can recapture his freshman year, but I look at Nate Johnson, who was his teammate on GWU and just transferred to Xavier. The falloff that Perez experienced didn't happen to Johnson. Despite the team falling off, Johnson continued to play efficiently and increased his productivity while the opposite happened to Perez. I'm hesitant to put my eggs in the basket of the guy that fell off.
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Looks like a Thursday announcement..
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I’ll take a 6’5” guard who’s willing to hit the post and will have a year off to work in his game.
...I agree, and at this point he’s probably better than a 3-star guard HS recruit. He’s got D-1 experience under his belt, has had some descents games against high level competition, and, depending on role, should be able to step in when eligible and not be overwhelmed.
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Mixtapes are fine, but also the reason we thought Juan Anderson was the next Evan Turner. What the numbers show is that he's not able to consistently perform at that level.
I get that the hope is Perez can recapture his freshman year, but I look at Nate Johnson, who was his teammate on GWU and just transferred to Xavier. The falloff that Perez experienced didn't happen to Johnson. Despite the team falling off, Johnson continued to play efficiently and increased his productivity while the opposite happened to Perez. I'm hesitant to put my eggs in the basket of the guy that fell off.
Dont disagree... look at koby. Thing i like about Perez is his skill set. When u go play against bigger and faster and better competition do u have the bball IQ and skillset to allow that step up in competition? From what i have seen he has that skill set to be able to do that. Kobys lack of skills and IQ hurt him
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Dont disagree... look at koby. Thing i like about Perez is his skill set. When u go play against bigger and faster and better competition do u have the bball IQ and skillset to allow that step up in competition? From what i have seen he has that skill set to be able to do that. Kobys lack of skills and IQ hurt him
Koby had solid stats at Utah St against tournament teams & power conference teams. Actually better than Perez's.
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I'm hesitant to put my eggs in the basket of the guy that fell off.
brewski, who is putting "eggs in the basket"? He's a prospect with D-1 experience. He might turn out to be a starter, or a rotation player, or a depth piece buried on the bench. Every team has and needs all of those. It's not as if we're turning down a burger boy to take Perez instead.
Koby had solid stats at Utah St against tournament teams & power conference teams. Actually better than Perez's.
True, Galway.
But Memphis, Iowa State, Georgia Tech and Illinois also are after Perez. Are all of those coaches wrong, too?
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brewski, who is putting "eggs in the basket"? He's a prospect with D-1 experience. He might turn out to be a starter, or a rotation player, or a depth piece buried on the bench. Every team has and needs all of those. It's not as if we're turning down a burger boy to take Perez instead.
True, Galway.
But Memphis, Iowa State, Georgia Tech and Illinois also are after Perez. Are all of those coaches wrong, too?
I'm actually in favor of bringing him on. Just trying to temper expectations.
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This is very unusual, you don't see this everyday...
UCLAFAN
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Romello White’s name is in the transfer portal with a “do not contact” designation, signifying he likely has a destination determined
Must mean Depaul has him locked up
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In the BEAST he won't get any baskets off those post moves, and half of his drives will get swatted. And his release is slow on the 3. He's somewhere between Sandy Cohen and Haanif Cheatham IMHO.
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In the BEAST he won't get any baskets off those post moves, and half of his drives will get swatted. And his release is slow on the 3. He's somewhere between Sandy Cohen and Haanif Cheatham IMHO.
The kid who won't score in the post, will have his drives to the hoop swatted away, and has too slow of a release to get his 3 point shot off in the Big East went for 19 points on 7/10 shooting and 4/6 from the field against a historically good, national championship defense. A performance that had Tony Bennett walk over to Perez to shake his hand as he checked out of the game for the last time during their first round matchup in the NCAA Tournament last year.
But maybe every defense in the Big East is significantly better than UVA's 2018-2019 defense and he won't be able to get a shot off like he was against them?
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brewski, who is putting "eggs in the basket"? He's a prospect with D-1 experience. He might turn out to be a starter, or a rotation player, or a depth piece buried on the bench. Every team has and needs all of those. It's not as if we're turning down a burger boy to take Perez instead.
True, Galway.
But Memphis, Iowa State, Georgia Tech and Illinois also are after Perez. Are all of those coaches wrong, too?
I'm in the Jay Wright camp that not every scholarship needs to be filled. 10-12 available players is fine.
As far as who might take the scholarship, who knows? Maybe someone comes available at semester who we can't take because we're full. Maybe a late decommit. Maybe it goes to a walk-on and improves morale. You don't have to spend resources just because you have them.
When coaches take on players that aren't up to this level, sometimes those guys still end up playing significant minutes. Jake Thomas, Joseph Chartouny, & Koby McEwen (based on last year's sample) were all up-transfers that in retrospect were either misevaluated or forced into roles too big for them. I’d rather they hold the scholarship for either a longer term developmental player or more steady looking transfer.
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The kid who won't score in the post, will have his drives to the hoop swatted away, and has too slow of a release to get his 3 point shot off in the Big East went for 19 points on 7/10 shooting and 4/6 from the field against a historically good, national championship defense. A performance that had Tony Bennett walk over to Perez to shake his hand as he checked out of the game for the last time during their first round matchup in the NCAA Tournament last year.
But maybe every defense in the Big East is significantly better than UVA's 2018-2019 defense and he won't be able to get a shot off like he was against them?
Jean Felix once scored 31 points in a tournament game vs a team with 2 future NBA players and a future All-American.
Beware of small sample sizes.
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I never have an issue signing a proven player, he has already played 2 years in college. He has to sit out next year for a year of potential improvement. Some do,
some do not. Sort of like a project. They still only have 11 for next year and the would still have 4 open scholarships the following year. It is worth the gamble. They
need a 2 guard as they lose Koby. Plus he will be a junior when he can play, with Torrence being the other junior. Even the classes a little bit. Still have 1 open for
Mane, or somebody else. I agree, do not have to use all 13 at one time. I do like having at least 11 players every year.
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I'm in the Jay Wright camp that not every scholarship needs to be filled. 10-12 available players is fine.
As far as who might take the scholarship, who knows? Maybe someone comes available at semester who we can't take because we're full. Maybe a late decommit. Maybe it goes to a walk-on and improves morale. You don't have to spend resources just because you have them.
When coaches take on players that aren't up to this level, sometimes those guys still end up playing significant minutes. Jake Thomas, Joseph Chartouny, & Koby McEwen (based on last year's sample) were all up-transfers that in retrospect were either misevaluated or forced into roles too big for them. I’d rather they hold the scholarship for either a longer term developmental player or more steady looking transfer.
Chartouny was playing 10 minutes per game from the start of the Big East season to the end of the season. That's exactly what you should do if you have scholarships available, which Marquette does. Bring a kid in and if he's ready he plays and if not he watches from the bench.
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Without just Carton the drop is 62 to 81
Which makes sense. I thought with Carton we were in the low 50s tho?
But another 20 team drop from 81 to 101 without Bailey seems like stretch. I like BB, and hope like heck he returns. But I don't see him having that big of an impact on the the team. That being said, without Carton, this team isn't going anywhere sans landing Mane + another impact transfer that is eligible right away, which is more than pipe dream at this point.
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Chartouny was playing 10 minutes per game from the start of the Big East season to the end of the season. That's exactly what you should do if you have scholarships available, which Marquette does. Bring a kid in and if he's ready he plays and if not he watches from the bench.
Maybe if they had brought someone in who was a Big East caliber player, they wouldn't have collapsed down the stretch when the guys we had couldn't get it done. Instead, as we lost game after game, Chartouny still couldn't crack the roster.
The past two collapses have prominently featured transfers expected to play big roles not delivering, either because they couldn't get on the court or couldn't produce when they did. If you're going to fill a scholarship just to fill a scholarship, give it to a freshman who might develop into something.
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I'm in the Jay Wright camp that not every scholarship needs to be filled. 10-12 available players is fine.
As far as who might take the scholarship, who knows? Maybe someone comes available at semester who we can't take because we're full. Maybe a late decommit. Maybe it goes to a walk-on and improves morale. You don't have to spend resources just because you have them.
When coaches take on players that aren't up to this level, sometimes those guys still end up playing significant minutes. Jake Thomas, Joseph Chartouny, & Koby McEwen (based on last year's sample) were all up-transfers that in retrospect were either misevaluated or forced into roles too big for them. I’d rather they hold the scholarship for either a longer term developmental player or more steady looking transfer.
I agree with you on 99% of your basketball takes, but not here. Burning scholarships is dumb. Worst case scenerio, Perez is a bench warmer in 21-22. Then he probably grad transfers back down a level. So what? Nothing lost. Best case scenario we have a solid BE caliber starter who contributes right away in 21-22 and has maturity and experience. There is no negative to bringing on a guy like Perez when you have 2, or perhaps even 3 openings.
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The kid who won't score in the post, will have his drives to the hoop swatted away, and has too slow of a release to get his 3 point shot off in the Big East went for 19 points on 7/10 shooting and 4/6 from the field against a historically good, national championship defense. A performance that had Tony Bennett walk over to Perez to shake his hand as he checked out of the game for the last time during their first round matchup in the NCAA Tournament last year.
If everyone gets judged on their best performance, why isn't Brenden Bailey an All-American after what he did to Maryland? It's because you have to take the totality of what someone does. Perez was great in that game against Virginia, but on the whole, that isn't what he's been like against top competition.
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If everyone gets judged on their best performance, why isn't Brenden Bailey an All-American after what he did to Maryland? It's because you have to take the totality of what someone does. Perez was great in that game against Virginia, but on the whole, that isn't what he's been like against top competition.
You don't think its possible that high usage guy (likely high usage because he's the most talented) on a low major team can be a role player on a high major tournament team with lower usage while surrounded by far more talented players?
Of course its possible.
I get not being excited about Perez based on a advanced stats. That's fine. But rolling the dice on Perez is worlds more valuable than blowing a scholarship or handing one to a walk-on that will play a total of 5 garbage time minutes all season.
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I'm in the Jay Wright camp that not every scholarship needs to be filled. 10-12 available players is fine.
As far as who might take the scholarship, who knows? Maybe someone comes available at semester who we can't take because we're full. Maybe a late decommit. Maybe it goes to a walk-on and improves morale. You don't have to spend resources just because you have them.
When coaches take on players that aren't up to this level, sometimes those guys still end up playing significant minutes. Jake Thomas, Joseph Chartouny, & Koby McEwen (based on last year's sample) were all up-transfers that in retrospect were either misevaluated or forced into roles too big for them. I’d rather they hold the scholarship for either a longer term developmental player or more steady looking transfer.
We actually agree on much of this, brewski. I certainly never advocate for filling every scholarship.
Perez might be the next Chartouny, or he might be better, or he might be worse. Some folks here were really excited about Chartouny and looked at him to be the starting PG. Few seem to have such high expectations of Perez.
I am confident that if a player we really need and want becomes available, Wojo will find room for that player. Historically, just about all coaches do that ... including Chris Beard, the recipient of considerable praise from Scoopdom (and deservedly so).
And just because Jake Thomas ended up playing big minutes as a senior ... that proves nothing about Jake Thomas and a lot about Buzz's failed recruiting at that time. His junior year, Jake was the perfect deep-bench player. If that's all Perez turns out to be, so be it.
Basically, I think it's worth it to take a shot on a 6-5 athlete who has had D1 success and you don't think it's worth doing so on this athlete. We can agree to disagree and move on.
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I agree with you on 99% of your basketball takes, but not here. Burning scholarships is dumb. Worst case scenerio, Perez is a bench warmer in 21-22. Then he probably grad transfers back down a level. So what? Nothing lost. Best case scenario we have a solid BE caliber starter who contributes right away in 21-22 and has maturity and experience. There is no negative to bringing on a guy like Perez when you have 2, or perhaps even 3 openings.
I agree that bringing in Perez is fine. But I think 13 players is too many on a D1 basketball team.
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I agree that bringing in Perez is fine. But I think 13 players is too many on a D1 basketball team.
If all are eligible, I'd tend to agree that keeping 13 guys happy is impossible. If you have 2 guys sitting out each year, its certainly a lot more doable. Land Perez that's one. Land someone like Mane, and then you can redshirt Oso. Maybe still get a late traditional transfer instead of Mane.
Looks like Jalen Carey hasn't transferred yet and MU reached out early in the process. No updates I can find. He'd be a solid get and a sit 1, play 3 guard. Guru - you seen any updates on him?
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If everyone gets judged on their best performance, why isn't Brenden Bailey an All-American after what he did to Maryland? It's because you have to take the totality of what someone does. Perez was great in that game against Virginia, but on the whole, that isn't what he's been like against top competition.
I wouldn't expect a guy who plays mid to low majors night in and night out to consistently perform at a high level against high majors. I'd expect there would be some shock value when suddenly you're playing guys bigger and more athletic. The point is he had no problem not getting swatted on every attempt at the basket or getting his slow release 3 pointer off against what may have been literally the best defense college basketball has ever seen. But apparently the kid will never get a shot up in the Big East.
The good thing is Perez would get a year of playing only high major players in practice and then would be playing in the Big East where he's playing high level night in and night out. Maybe he will adjust to the consistent high level of play or maybe he won't and he'll ride the bench.
Maybe you're right and you know better than Wojo about who he should bring in and who he should be playing. I personally don't feel I know. But a 6'5" guard who looks comfortable in the post intrigues me as a fan. We haven't had many of those in a long time. I hope Wojo is right and you are wrong.
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If all are eligible, I'd tend to agree that keeping 13 guys happy is impossible. If you have 2 guys sitting out each year, its certainly a lot more doable. Land Perez that's one. Land someone like Mane, and then you can redshirt Oso. Maybe still get a late traditional transfer instead of Mane.
Looks like Jalen Carey hasn't transferred yet and MU reached out early in the process. No updates I can find. He'd be a solid get and a sit 1, play 3 guard. Guru - you seen any updates on him?
Absolutely nothing...we all thought Carton's recruitment was quiet...Jalen Carey says hold my beer. He went in the portal, a day or two later there was a list of teams that had reached out, and literally nothing since. Strange.
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Absolutely nothing...we all thought Carton's recruitment was quiet...Jalen Carey says hold my beer. He went in the portal, a day or two later there was a list of teams that had reached out, and literally nothing since. Strange.
So I suppose it’s possible Wojo is still chasing him.
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So I suppose it’s possible Wojo is still chasing him.
My guess is that door has closed. I'd assume that Carey is likely to seek a waiver like Carton and doubt he wants to sit behind Carton
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My guess is that door has closed. I'd assume that Carey is likely to seek a waiver like Carton and doubt he wants to sit behind Carton
Maybe. But unless he's looking to move down a level, most high major teams have other capable guards on the roster.
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Maybe you're right and you know better than Wojo about who he should bring in and who he should be playing. I personally don't feel I know. But a 6'5" guard who looks comfortable in the post intrigues me as a fan. We haven't had many of those in a long time. I hope Wojo is right and you are wrong.
If we land Perez, I hope so too. The thing is, this staff has shown a tremendous ability to ignore advanced statistics and things that are painfully obvious to anyone digging into the numbers. Wojo's adherence to Koby & Bailey when they were being outplayed regularly by Cain & Elliott off the bench was incredibly frustrating. The staff's unwillingness, or I honestly believe inability, to figure out and implement the best lineups, especially down the stretch, simply sucked.
I want Wojo to be good at his job. I want Wojo to get the kind of players he will win with. But the evidence strongly indicates he needs the most talented guys to shine in order to win at a high level. Someone like Rowsey who was clearly torching nets at a lower level, okay. But all the transfers up that needed work (Froling, Chartouny, McEwen) have been disappointing. I just can't get excited for another clear project up-transfer when this staff has generally come up so short in correctly identifying such players in the past and interpreting the meaning of advanced stats.
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Rowsey shot better at MU than he did at UNC-A. Perez freshman year is similar to what Rowsey did in the same conference. The sophomore year drop off is concerning but maybe the personal issues played a huge part.
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If we land Perez, I hope so too. The thing is, this staff has shown a tremendous ability to ignore advanced statistics and things that are painfully obvious to anyone digging into the numbers. Wojo's adherence to Koby & Bailey when they were being outplayed regularly by Cain & Elliott off the bench was incredibly frustrating. The staff's unwillingness, or I honestly believe inability, to figure out and implement the best lineups, especially down the stretch, simply sucked.
I want Wojo to be good at his job. I want Wojo to get the kind of players he will win with. But the evidence strongly indicates he needs the most talented guys to shine in order to win at a high level. Someone like Rowsey who was clearly torching nets at a lower level, okay. But all the transfers up that needed work (Froling, Chartouny, McEwen) have been disappointing. I just can't get excited for another clear project up-transfer when this staff has generally come up so short in correctly identifying such players in the past and interpreting the meaning of advanced stats.
What's the alternative though, Brew? Burn scholarships or hand them to walk-ons? Both are far worse deployment of extremely valuable scholarships than taking a chance on a kid that may be a bit of a project.
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What's the alternative though, Brew? Burn scholarships or hand them to walk-ons? Both are far worse deployment of extremely valuable scholarships than taking a chance on a kid that may be a bit of a project.
Target freshmen. Get a Dexter into the program & hope he develops into another Sacar. Or hold spots open so when a lights out mid-season transfer hits the market, you have room.
You'll never have the playing time to keep more than 8-9 players happy. So why fill more than 11-12 scholarships unless it's someone who you have to take? That's still room for stars, role-players, and developmental pieces.
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Target freshmen. Get a Dexter into the program & hope he develops into another Sacar. Or hold spots open so when a lights out mid-season transfer hits the market, you have room.
You'll never have the playing time to keep more than 8-9 players happy. So why fill more than 11-12 scholarships unless it's someone who you have to take? That's still room for stars, role-players, and developmental pieces.
Because guys get hurt, guys transfer, guys decide they're ready to play professionally, etc. Maybe had we taken on a sit-out transfer last year instead of burning 1 and handing another to a walk-on that played 5 garbage time minutes all season, we wouldn't be in a situation that we absolutely need Carton to get a waiver to put a competitive BE team on the floor next season.
I'll never think that just burning scholarships is the best way to handle a roster. I agree you can't keep 13 eligible guys happy, but if 2-3 of them are redshirting every year, you're only dealing with 10-11 active players, and chances are at least 1 guy is always going to be hurt. Not that hard to manage, and it today's game, kids are always going to transfer no matter what you do.
Mid year transfers are fine I guess. To me, a guy that quits on his team midseason is always going to be a red flag. What is Wojo's mid year transfer track record? 2 in 6 seasons in Fischer and Froling? Sometimes you'll just be left with an opening (like if BB decides to stay in the draft), but I wouldn't just a bank a spot each year for a guy who just quit on his team. And if keeping guys happy is one of your main points, trying to get project freshman doesn't really help the playing time issue unless the kid agrees on the front end to redshirt. But all things being equal, chances are that Perez will be a better player in his 2 years at Marquette (if they land him) than some underrecruited 2-3 star kid that is willing to red shirt his freshman year.
Guess its just an agree to disagree thing.
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Thing is, they can take Perez and will still have an open scholarship for that mid season transfer, or Mane if he wants to come. There simply aren't any 2020 kids left out there that they are involved with to bring in at this late date. The ONLY thing would be is if there's a possibility that a guy like Mac Ettiene might still decide to reclass and come to MU, but that is highly doubtful it seems as well. But again, even then, they'd still have an available scholarship to do that with.
My biggest issue with Perez is that he can't help this year, I'd still really like one more good piece for this year, but I don't see anyway that happens either.
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I guess I'll repeat Sperber's post about transfers:
1. Up transfers don't play as much
2. When on the court, they don't play as big of a role
3. Up transfers take more threes and draw less fouls
4. Rebounding and shot blocking translate better to higher levels.
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I guess I'll repeat Sperber's post about transfers:
1. Up transfers don't play as much
2. When on the court, they don't play as big of a role
3. Up transfers take more threes and draw less fouls
4. Rebounding and shot blocking translate better to higher levels.
That's good knowledge in general and should be used to temper expectations. The problem is it obviously doesn't apply to everyone. Good coaches have to figure this stuff out.
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That's good knowledge in general and should be used to temper expectations. The problem is it obviously doesn't apply to everyone. Good coaches have to figure this stuff out.
I would imagine it’s not particularly easy to figure it out, even though it’s what they are paid to do.
For example- chartouny was an elite defender, steals leader. I remember thinking to myself that he seemed a bit slow and his offensive production wasn’t very good. Others have noted that MU has never been a steals oriented team under wojo, so there were some red flags there.
Koby- offensive stats were solid, as were rebounding stats. There were exceptionally high praise reviews coming out of team practices his year off, especially with regards to BE ready body. The bright lights came on and the defense was very good, the rebounding and effort were very good, but the offense was woof. Still managed to get to the line and shot well there, and to his defense it doesn’t really help when you’re not only playing much tougher competition but also playing alongside a high usage All American, makes things look much worse. At the end of the day he seemed as if he got into his own head on that end of the floor.
Rowsey- glaring reviews from his year off at practice and the bright lights came on and he shot lights out. Now he’s even doing it in the D league despite being diminutive, impressive stuff. That said, defense was abysmal and it cost the team (even though it’s not really his fault he’s a midget, as MJ would say).
I guess what I’m saying with those three relatively current examples is that it indeed can be a crapshoot. Also the case for incoming HS kids- not all high level prospects succeed. Nova recently had a 5 star G come in (drawing a blank on the name) and he barely played and transferred out. Grimes didn’t have the effect MU fans expected, etc.
I’d say MU has gotten pretty lucky with its “elite” prospects in the last decade. Most recently Vander, Ellenson, and Markus have met and/or exceeded lofty expectations. Not to be glass half empty about it but there will come a day where one of these guys just isn’t as good as the hype that builds up, and that’s where having multiple higher rated recruits on the same squad will help soften the blow.
Wojo has done well with recruiting and if there is one thing I have complete confidence in him is that he can and will recruit some high end talented basketball players. It is the other aspects that need improvement, hopefully sooner rather than later.
Imo strong recruiting ability is the single most important skill any NCAAB coach can have and it’s not as prevalent as many would think.
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My guess is that door has closed. I'd assume that Carey is likely to seek a waiver like Carton and doubt he wants to sit behind Carton
Looks like that door is still open.
https://twitter.com/matthewgut21/status/1257394580699447298?s=21
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Looks like that door is still open.
https://twitter.com/matthewgut21/status/1257394580699447298?s=21
Well look at that
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...I agree, and at this point he’s probably better than a 3-star guard HS recruit. He’s got D-1 experience under his belt, has had some descents games against high level competition, and, depending on role, should be able to step in when eligible and not be overwhelmed.
Agree I like Jose’s 6.5 rebounds per game and the toughness that rebounding adds. Along with his 4.2 assists. Granted it is the Big South, But Both figures would of led Marquette last year.
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Is it just me but I think he looks slow.
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Is it just me but I think he looks slow.
Speed up the video then.
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Speed up the video then.
Can confirm, much faster on 1.5 speed
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Gardner-Webb transfer Jose Perez spoke with Marquette’s Steve Wojciechowski, Georgia Tech’s Josh Pastner and Memphis’ Cody Toppert today, he told @Stockrisers
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Iowa State and Illinois also in contact. Perez says everyone is in the mix. No frontrunner as of now.
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Gardner-Webb transfer Jose Perez spoke with Marquette’s Steve Wojciechowski, Georgia Tech’s Josh Pastner and Memphis’ Cody Toppert today, he told @Stockrisers
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Iowa State and Illinois also in contact. Perez says everyone is in the mix. No frontrunner as of now.
Josh pastner is still coaching? Wow
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Josh pastner is still coaching? Wow
I feel like he got saved by COVID cause he’s been atrocious at GT
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So we have a bunch of Scoopers who say Wojo recruits too many 5-star and high-4-star guys that he doesn't land and has not recruited enough solid 3-stars as a back-up plan.
And then we have a bunch of Scoopers who say Wojo shouldn't be recruiting anybody who can't be a standout in the Big East.
Fun on Scoop!
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So we have a bunch of Scoopers who say Wojo recruits too many 5-star and high-4-star guys that he doesn't land and has not recruited enough solid 3-stars as a back-up plan.
And then we have a bunch of Scoopers who say Wojo shouldn't be recruiting anybody who can't be a standout in the Big East.
Fun on Scoop!
What say you, Mike?
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Looks like that door is still open.
https://twitter.com/matthewgut21/status/1257394580699447298?s=21
I forgot how highly ranked he was out of HS. Any idea why he only played 2 games last year?
Could be a pretty nice gamble
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I forgot how highly ranked he was out of HS. Any idea why he only played 2 games last year?
Could be a pretty nice gamble
I think a hand or wrist injury.
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What say you, Mike?
I've already said it.
Like guru, I want my coach to pursue the best players he has a shot at landing. I know full well that he won't land the lion's share of those whom the bluebloods want, but there are ways of landing some of them. One of those ways is getting in very early. Another is doing a great job of selling. Etc, etc, etc.
Using the various ways, he managed to land some guys a lot of big boys wanted -- Ellenson, Markus, Garcia, Carton, Joey, Lewis, Bailey. He also got Doc's "green weinie" on many high-ranked recruits, and that's OK. I don't mind that he swings and misses at the likes of Grimes and, perhaps, Mane. That's recruiting in the big city.
Yes, he also needs to recruit "developmental" players who might become good, and I think has in the likes of Anim, Cain, Elliott, Akanno, etc. Maybe he needs to work on getting more like that.
I certainly am not claiming that Wojo is some kind of recruiting superduperstar. I just think he's done a pretty darn good job recruiting, especially with the incoming class. It seems an odd time to criticize his ability as a recruiter.
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Yes, he also needs to recruit "developmental" players who might become good, and I think has in the likes of Anim, Cain, Elliott, Akanno, etc. Maybe he needs to work on getting more like that.
This is where I'm at. Guys like this that grow in the program have become consistent contributors. I would add fringe 4-stars like Heldt & Carter. If they stick, they can grow into reliable if low-usage contributors like Heldt, if they don't they leave like Carter. The return on investment is potentially higher (3 productive years from Sacar) with only 20% of the time spent redshirting, as opposed to a max of 2 productive years with 33% of the time spent on redshirting.
I'm a math guy. If the player's mathematical stats don't add up, then taking a further mathematical risk in terms of likely return of productivity seems like a bad investment.
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One more small detail, related to Perez's mixtape. Maybe it's being burned by the now-legendary Juan Anderson tape, but when I see the flashy stuff against mediocre competition, I get nervous. How often did he try that behind the back or whip pass only to send it into the stands or into an opponent's hands? Looking at all the threes and contested finishes compared to his shooting percentages, how many times were those bricks or blocked shots?
If I'm going to get excited about the low-level transfer, it's the fundamentals and basics I'm curious about, not the "he pulled off an NBA move once" because you don't see the other 19 times it didn't work.
Show me a blue-blood level mixtape without blue-blood level interest and I'm going to be a lot more skeptical.
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I feel like he got saved by COVID cause he’s been atrocious at GT
He was better this year and still has a larger buyout. I think he would have been given one more regardless.
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He was better this year and still has a larger buyout. I think he would have been given one more regardless.
Yep it’s crazy he still has a job. They had a post season ban this season too. I wonder if it will carry over to next season now?
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I've already said it.
Like guru, I want my coach to pursue the best players he has a shot at landing. I know full well that he won't land the lion's share of those whom the bluebloods want, but there are ways of landing some of them. One of those ways is getting in very early. Another is doing a great job of selling. Etc, etc, etc.
Using the various ways, he managed to land some guys a lot of big boys wanted -- Ellenson, Markus, Garcia, Carton, Joey, Lewis, Bailey. He also got Doc's "green weinie" on many high-ranked recruits, and that's OK. I don't mind that he swings and misses at the likes of Grimes and, perhaps, Mane. That's recruiting in the big city.
Yes, he also needs to recruit "developmental" players who might become good, and I think has in the likes of Anim, Cain, Elliott, Akanno, etc. Maybe he needs to work on getting more like that.
I certainly am not claiming that Wojo is some kind of recruiting superduperstar. I just think he's done a pretty darn good job recruiting, especially with the incoming class. It seems an odd time to criticize his ability as a recruiter.
Solid overall point. Not sure if Bailey was wanted by the big boys that bad compared to Sam or Haanif but solid point.
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If I'm going to get excited about the low-level transfer
I can only speak for myself, brewski, but I am not "excited" about landing Perez. He's not Carton, he's not Garcia. I don't know enough about Perez, and the skeptic in me always wonders about the ability of a Big South player to make the jump to the Big East. I agree with every word you say about his highlight tape.
Based on the little I do know, I merely think he seems to have the size, talent and experience to merit a high-major scholarship. Wojo, Underwood, Prohm, Penny and Pastner (among others) apparently also believe that.
Mostly, I trust that our head coach -- who has done a damn good job recruiting this past year (and several other years) -- knows more than any Scooper does about this prospect. I also am buoyed by the fact that the last guard Wojo got to transfer from a Big South school turned out all right.
We agree on most things. We are allowed to disagree on this.
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I can only speak for myself, brewski, but I am not "excited" about landing Perez. He's not Carton, he's not Garcia. I don't know enough about Perez, and the skeptic in me always wonders about the ability of a Big South player to make the jump to the Big East. I agree with every word you say about his highlight tape.
Based on the little I do know, I merely think he seems to have the size, talent and experience to merit a high-major scholarship. Wojo, Underwood, Prohm, Penny and Pastner (among others) apparently also believe that.
Mostly, I trust that our head coach -- who has done a damn good job recruiting this past year (and several other years) -- knows more than any Scooper does about this prospect. I also am buoyed by the fact that the last guard Wojo got to transfer from a Big South school turned out all right.
We agree on most things. We are allowed to disagree on this.
With 13 scholarships you can afford to make a mistake once in awhile or take a chance like Akanno, he was ranked about 350 coming out of high school. But when I
saw him at practice last year, he had a Big East body, he just would have not played much with Sacar ahead of him. He has potential, hope he used the year off much
like Sacar did. With Perez, you will have him all year to see how he can play against strong competition in practice, if he stands out, you are set at the 2 guard the following year. As you might lose both starting guards next year, so it is good to have somebody in the system.
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With 13 scholarships you can afford to make a mistake once in awhile or take a chance like Akanno, he was ranked about 350 coming out of high school. But when I
saw him at practice last year, he had a Big East body, he just would have not played much with Sacar ahead of him. He has potential, hope he used the year off much
like Sacar did. With Perez, you will have him all year to see how he can play against strong competition in practice, if he stands out, you are set at the 2 guard the following year. As you might lose both starting guards next year, so it is good to have somebody in the system.
Totally agree with this. I see little to no downside and potentially good upside to adding Perez.
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Totally agree with this. I see little to no downside and potentially good upside to adding Perez.
Any issues with inefficiency you think would subside a bit playing on a deeper, more talented roster. Naturally the big east is more competitive, but Perez wouldn't have to carry the same weight he did at Gardner-Webb. Even if his shooting numbers come closer to his freshman year that would be great.
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All recruits are hit and miss types. Seems the only sure fire kids are the top 40 type recruits, but even then guys like juJuan Johnson can underwhelm or take time to mature. Everyone else is a crap shoot. For every kid that does well there are two r three that do not. Sure fires transfer to lower level and kids that no one expected anything from become the kids that lead the team. Therefore the idea of only keeping 9-10 kids makes no sense. If 25-50% of recruits truly become contributors wouldnt u want to have as many as possible. No one can even begin to guess if Perez, or anyone else for that matter, is gonna be the next Rowsey, Koby, Chartouney, Foling, or anywhere in between. But i do know the more tou have on tour roster the better chance of some of them being good. The hold the spot for a true contributor is fools gold
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I guess I would like to hear some ideas from people as to what to do with the two remaining scholarships, if they don't want to bring Perez in?? Of course I'd love to use one on Olivier Sarr, but that's not happening. I'd love to give one to Mane, but that doesn't seem like a good possibility either. There just aren't any impact guys left out there(besides Sarr) at the moment. With the one time transfer rule NOT passing(seemingly), I don't think we are going to get a huge amount more of transfers like we maybe would have had that rule been passed. It also seems very unlikely MU is going to land a 2021 kid that will reclassify, so what options do they have??
So okay, some people might want to hold both scholarships open..I would ask, why?? You're already going to have 3 available scholarships for 2021 kids via Theo, Cain & Kobe being done. Add in the chance Carton is only at MU one year, now you have 4 open..let's say you carry one of the two over from this year, now that becomes 5...then what if someone transfers out?? You get the point, you could potentially have 6 open scholarships to give for 2021. Odd you land 6 2021 kids?? Slim and none, and frankly that's just too many open scholarships to have.
I guess I don't understand what most people want them to do. Just never use two available scholarships??
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Traditional transfer big. Even be willing to take on more of a project because of the year sitting. We need a post Theo plan. I know a lot of people think Lewis/Garcia is going to be the answer, but neither have played a minute of cbb yet, Garcia seems more of a "stretch" player than an banger, and Lewis is only 6-7. Even if it's only a Ousmane quality big, get someone 6-10, 230 that can give you 10 minutes and 5 fouls. Obviously take more skill over less, but for all the 6-6 to 6-9 wings we have we won't really have any low post presence. Small ball is fine at times, but won't always work.
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Traditional transfer big. Even be willing to take on more of a project because of the year sitting. We need a post Theo plan. I know a lot of people think Lewis/Garcia is going to be the answer, but neither have played a minute of cbb yet, Garcia seems more of a "stretch" player than an banger, and Lewis is only 6-7. Even if it's only a Ousmane quality big, get someone 6-10, 230 that can give you 10 minutes and 5 fouls. Obviously take more skill over less, but for all the 6-6 to 6-9 wings we have we won't really have any low post presence. Small ball is fine at times, but won't always work.
That's fine but who DJ?? I'd like a big too..but there simply aren't any out there. Even then you could take Perez AND a big. I'd love to get Sarr, but that's not happening, besides him, there's no one else out there that I'm aware of, and frankly, if they can't score consistently down low, I'd rather not take them. That's just me.
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I guess I would like to hear some ideas from people as to what to do with the two remaining scholarships, if they don't want to bring Perez in?? Of course I'd love to use one on Olivier Sarr, but that's not happening. I'd love to give one to Mane, but that doesn't seem like a good possibility either. There just aren't any impact guys left out there(besides Sarr) at the moment. With the one time transfer rule NOT passing(seemingly), I don't think we are going to get a huge amount more of transfers like we maybe would have had that rule been passed. It also seems very unlikely MU is going to land a 2021 kid that will reclassify, so what options do they have??
So okay, some people might want to hold both scholarships open..I would ask, why?? You're already going to have 3 available scholarships for 2021 kids via Theo, Cain & Kobe being done. Add in the chance Carton is only at MU one year, now you have 4 open..let's say you carry one of the two over from this year, now that becomes 5...then what if someone transfers out?? You get the point, you could potentially have 6 open scholarships to give for 2021. Odd you land 6 2021 kids?? Slim and none, and frankly that's just too many open scholarships to have.
I guess I don't understand what most people want them to do. Just never use two available scholarships??
Don't use them just to use them.
Believe it or not. Kids are still entering the transfer portal. Romello White from Arizona State just entered yesterday. He had 8 double doubles last season. Some more may enter once kids decide not to stay in the draft.
Keep them open. Worst case scenario is a couple of walk ons temporarily get a scholarship. And you have availability for mid season transfer or even if some kid from 21 reclassifies.
And if for some reason 6 scholarships are available. Then you can split them up with grad transfers, regular transfers (who may or not be eligible) and kids from the class of 21.
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That's fine but who DJ?? I'd like a big too..but there simply aren't any out there. Even then you could take Perez AND a big. I'd love to get Sarr, but that's not happening, besides him, there's no one else out there that I'm aware of, and frankly, if they can't score consistently down low, I'd rather not take them. That's just me.
Have heard no news so info may be out of date, but sit one, play three, 7 feet tall, 260 lbs, experience (albeit limited) at the high major level.
https://texastech.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/russel-tchewa/9420
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Traditional transfer big. Even be willing to take on more of a project because of the year sitting. We need a post Theo plan. I know a lot of people think Lewis/Garcia is going to be the answer, but neither have played a minute of cbb yet, Garcia seems more of a "stretch" player than an banger, and Lewis is only 6-7. Even if it's only a Ousmane quality big, get someone 6-10, 230 that can give you 10 minutes and 5 fouls. Obviously take more skill over less, but for all the 6-6 to 6-9 wings we have we won't really have any low post presence. Small ball is fine at times, but won't always work.
Justin Lewis is plenty big....6-8, but more importantly, 7-2 wing span. Plus, he's 225 pounds and will likely gain pounds/strength as he trains better and simply gets older.
Coach Killings said:
“Yes, Lewis has a 7’2” wing span. He’s big – I think there is nothing that Justin Lewis cannot do. What we have to do is help him understand what he is capable of doing and develop him into the kind of player that he can be. Again, he has a mean streak and he’s super competitive. All of the things he does helps motivate others because of his ability. He can rebound and get you more possessions. He can finish above the rim. He can post you – he can shoot it – he can drive you – he is a mismatch problem.”
My way of saying I'd rather have a three point shooting wing (north of 35%) who can immediately play.
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One thing a lot of coaches have said if a one time waiver is granted to all transfers that won't be using all of their scholarships. They realize there is no way to keep 13 players happy and red shirts are rarer than ever because so many options are available. If they are free to transfer why wouldn't a kid play at a lesser program/league and then transfer up instead of red shirting?
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Justin Lewis is plenty big....6-8, but more importantly, 7-2 wing span. Plus, he's 225 pounds and will likely gain pounds/strength as he trains better and simply gets older.
Coach Killings said:
“Yes, Lewis has a 7’2” wing span. He’s big – I think there is nothing that Justin Lewis cannot do. What we have to do is help him understand what he is capable of doing and develop him into the kind of player that he can be. Again, he has a mean streak and he’s super competitive. All of the things he does helps motivate others because of his ability. He can rebound and get you more possessions. He can finish above the rim. He can post you – he can shoot it – he can drive you – he is a mismatch problem.”
My way of saying I'd rather have a three point shooting wing (north of 35%) who can immediately play.
I have high hopes for Lewis as well, but, he's still never played a minute of cbb, so you don't know how well/fast he'll adjust. Asking an undersized center is not something I'd like to throw at a Freshman. Zar didn't take that role until he was a Senior. Jae had his JC experience, and no offense to Lewis because I'm sure he will get stronger, but Zar and Jae were two of the strongest per pound players I've seen at the collegiate level. Also, Lewis isn't going to be playing 40 mpg. You can afford to take a project big on (assuming this 10-15 mpg role is about the peak of what anyone expected for Ike).
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I have high hopes for Lewis as well, but, he's still never played a minute of cbb, so you don't know how well/fast he'll adjust. Asking an undersized center is not something I'd like to throw at a Freshman. Zar didn't take that role until he was a Senior. Jae had his JC experience, and no offense to Lewis because I'm sure he will get stronger, but Zar and Jae were two of the strongest per pound players I've seen at the collegiate level. Also, Lewis isn't going to be playing 40 mpg. You can afford to take a project big on (assuming this 10-15 mpg role is about the peak of what anyone expected for Ike).
I can see Lewis and Garcia on the floor at the same time, sometimes Garcia can guard the center as well. It depends how physical the center they are playing against.
The other point if the offense is run right, the other team will have to figure out how to guard those 2 fella's. Or lets say how Wojo figures out how to use them, much
different when Theo is in there.
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One thing a lot of coaches have said if a one time waiver is granted to all transfers that won't be using all of their scholarships. They realize there is no way to keep 13 players happy and red shirts are rarer than ever because so many options are available. If they are free to transfer why wouldn't a kid play at a lesser program/league and then transfer up instead of red shirting?
A player that receives a waiver can still decide to redshirt, if he has not already sat out.
Also, a current player may choose to redshirt or transfer out.
I really do not understand posters here saying they are not excited or do not want a recruit. To me it is working against Wojo's efforts to improve the team.
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I'd rather take a flier on Jalen Carey over Perez. Both are gambles, but I just don't see Perez translating to the Big East. Koby McEwen had comparable stats in a much better conference. To expect Perez to match or exceed McEwen is wishful thinking.
Also, the Perez highlight tape does not wow me. He's an ok but not great athlete. He kind of looks like a 6-5 version of Scott Merritt. Unfortunately, Perez isn't 6-10 like Merritt was. Perez looks like a tweener. So, I have a hard time envisioning what his role at Marquette.
I would also be fine banking 2 scholarships to 2021. That gives Wojo a chance to double on either wings, bigs, or both.
1. PG
2. SG
3. SG or SF
4. Long combo F or C
5. C
I think there's a better chance to hit on 3 out of 5, as opposed to 3 out of 4. I see that as a better route to achieve a high level of success, rather than spending a scholarship on Perez.
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A player that receives a waiver can still decide to redshirt, if he has not already sat out.
Also, a current player may choose to redshirt or transfer out.
I really do not understand posters here saying they are not excited or do not want a recruit. To me it is working against Wojo's efforts to improve the team.
I can see you point of letting 13 players battle it out and let the best play. To me it's more pragmatic. There's no way to keep 12 or 13 players happy. We couldn't even keep 11 players. Ed saw his minutes decrease and left. What do you think would have happened if Oso was healthy and Dexter decided against a red shirt?
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I'd rather take a flier on Jalen Carey over Perez. Both are gambles, but I just don't see Perez translating to the Big East. Koby McEwen had comparable stats in a much better conference. To expect Perez to match or exceed McEwen is wishful thinking.
Also, the Perez highlight tape does not wow me. He's an ok but not great athlete. He kind of looks like a 6-5 version of Scott Merritt. Unfortunately, Perez isn't 6-10 like Merritt was. Perez looks like a tweener. So, I have a hard time envisioning what his role at Marquette.
I would also be fine banking 2 scholarships to 2021. That gives Wojo a chance to double on either wings, bigs, or both.
1. PG
2. SG
3. SG or SF
4. Long combo F or C
5. C
I think there's a better chance to hit on 3 out of 5, as opposed to 3 out of 4. I see that as a better route to achieve a high level of success, rather than spending a scholarship on Perez.
McEwen always had bad advanced stats against A+B competition, Perez at least performed strongly against A+B his frosh year.
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I guess I don't understand what most people want them to do. Just never use two available scholarships??
If you use it on Perez, you can't use it for someone we are after in 2021. I would rather see it go to someone in that class since Perez won't be eligible until then anyway. If we just want a body, get Jonah Antonio who can provide minutes now and still turn into a freshman next year.
When you can get a Carton or Sarr, you always take that guy. The proven high-major player, absolutely. But if it's a project we want, make it a freshman. If someone like Perez wants to walk-on like Jake did, sure, but that's not where I'd put a scholarship.
I get that others disagree, I just don't find this the most efficient use of a scholarship.
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The amount of hate Perez is getting here is silly. I also love the 'Koby had a disappointing junior season, so all level-up transfers will also be disappointing moving forward' takes. Koby was 3rd in the team in minutes last season, and its legitimately quite possible that he'll be our leading scorer next season if Carton doesn't get a waiver.
I get not being overly excited about Perez. The advanced stats in his (shortened) sophomore season weren't great. But to say burning scholarships or giving them to a walk-on is a better use is a comically bad take when we have 2 or perhaps 3 empty spots. I think there is a decent chance Perez would be nothing more than a role player-type at Marquette, but that's fine. Marquette is never going to have a roster with 13 NBA prospects. Heck - last year we had 1 good player, and few role players, and the rest of the team was pretty bad.
Also - chances are pretty decent Carton is gone after next season regardless of what happens the next 10 months. He may just go straight pro and never step foot on campus if he can't get a waiver, and if he does get a waiver, we shouldn't be expecting more than 1 season from him. So that means the first year Perez will be eligible, our roster very well may be Elliott, Torrence, Dexter and the three incoming freshman (then sophomores). There will be plenty of minutes and space for an upperclassmen with experience, and we could certianly use some class balancing.
Going to try to leave it at that with Perez in this thread. Who knows if we'll even get him. I just think the amount of scoffing over him around here is silly. I certainly wish we had a couple transfers that were eligible this coming season - we could definitely use them. Sometime they hit, sometimes they flop - but its worth the chance when you have spots to give.
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I can see you point of letting 13 players battle it out and let the best play. To me it's more pragmatic. There's no way to keep 12 or 13 players happy. We couldn't even keep 11 players. Ed saw his minutes decrease and left. What do you think would have happened if Oso was healthy and Dexter decided against a red shirt?
LOL. Oso is an incoming freshman. Eke you mean?
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McEwen always had bad advanced stats against A+B competition, Perez at least performed strongly against A+B his frosh year.
Perez's in conference numbers progressed from his freshman to sophomore year. But his top 50 and top 100 numbers regressed big time. That signals to me he was incredible lucky as a frosh, coincidentally having his best games against his best competition. That's a big red flag in my view.
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If you use it on Perez, you can't use it for someone we are after in 2021. I would rather see it go to someone in that class since Perez won't be eligible until then anyway. If we just want a body, get Jonah Antonio who can provide minutes now and still turn into a freshman next year.
When you can get a Carton or Sarr, you always take that guy. The proven high-major player, absolutely. But if it's a project we want, make it a freshman. If someone like Perez wants to walk-on like Jake did, sure, but that's not where I'd put a scholarship.
I get that others disagree, I just don't find this the most efficient use of a scholarship.
Quite likely Marquette has 7 open scholarships for 21-22. I don't think we're anywhere near a situation where its appropriate to be concerned about having not enough scholarships for incoming freshman or transfers that season.
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If you use it on Perez, you can't use it for someone we are after in 2021. I would rather see it go to someone in that class since Perez won't be eligible until then anyway. If we just want a body, get Jonah Antonio who can provide minutes now and still turn into a freshman next year.
When you can get a Carton or Sarr, you always take that guy. The proven high-major player, absolutely. But if it's a project we want, make it a freshman. If someone like Perez wants to walk-on like Jake did, sure, but that's not where I'd put a scholarship.
I get that others disagree, I just don't find this the most efficient use of a scholarship.
I 100% understand this line of thinking, because I thought of it myself, but as I laid out earlier, you are already going to have a minimum of 3 scholarships available for 2021, and possibly as many as 5(Carton leaves, and carry one over from this year) if not more. That's too many. I don't see them filling that many open scholarships with transfers, grad transfers and HS kids.
Now, my ideal scenario would be to use at least one of the scholarships remaining on someone that can play right away this year(whether a grad transfer or traditional transfer via waiver), because I'd love one more really good piece for this year. The problem is, that player just isn't out there. They missed on Burton and Turner, land one of them plus Carton and we aren't even having this discussion. I also would love to have a 2021 kid reclass(like Mac Etienne) and use the scholarship that way. But I just don't think that's going to happen.
To me(and it's just me) but throwing a scholarship at a 2020 Freshman at this late stage isn't worth it. He will likely never amount to much in 4 years. At least Perez, you're getting a big Guard who has experience who can replace Koby and possibly DJ and who knows about Greg at that point.
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Source: Marquette, BYU, Creighton, Rhode Island, Alabama, amongst those in the mix for Syracuse transfer Jalen Carey.
I’m told he’s still open to hearing from other programs if interest is mutual.
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The amount of hate Perez is getting here is silly. I also love the 'Koby had a disappointing junior season, so all level-up transfers will also be disappointing moving forward' takes. Koby was 3rd in the team in minutes last season, and its legitimately quite possible that he'll be our leading scorer next season if Carton doesn't get a waiver.
I get not being overly excited about Perez. The advanced stats in his (shortened) sophomore season weren't great. But to say burning scholarships or giving them to a walk-on is a better use is a comically bad take when we have 2 or perhaps 3 empty spots. I think there is a decent chance Perez would be nothing more than a role player-type at Marquette, but that's fine. Marquette is never going to have a roster with 13 NBA prospects. Heck - last year we had 1 good player, and few role players, and the rest of the team was pretty bad.
Also - chances are pretty decent Carton is gone after next season regardless of what happens the next 10 months. He may just go straight pro and never step foot on campus if he can't get a waiver, and if he does get a waiver, we shouldn't be expecting more than 1 season from him. So that means the first year Perez will be eligible, our roster very well may be Elliott, Torrence, Dexter and the three incoming freshman (then sophomores). There will be plenty of minutes and space for an upperclassmen with experience, and we could certianly use some class balancing.
Going to try to leave it at that with Perez in this thread. Who knows if we'll even get him. I just think the amount of scoffing over him around here is silly. I certainly wish we had a couple transfers that were eligible this coming season - we could definitely use them. Sometime they hit, sometimes they flop - but its worth the chance when you have spots to give.
Agree completely, JJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJ
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Perez's in conference numbers progressed from his freshman to sophomore year. But his top 50 and top 100 numbers regressed big time. That signals to me he was incredible lucky as a frosh, coincidentally having his best games against his best competition. That's a big red flag in my view.
Agree, I was just comparing against a low bar. One of them was bad against A+B for 2 years, the other was bad against A+B for only one. Neither is ideal.
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Koby was 3rd in the team in minutes last season, and its legitimately quite possible that he'll be our leading scorer next season if Carton doesn't get a waiver.
Ugh! :-[
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If we land Perez, we are going to have a TON of guards on the roster.
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If we land Perez, we are going to have a TON of guards on the roster.
Yes but remember, he has to sit out, and Koby and possibly DJ are gone after next year.
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Look, admittedly, he is not a perfect player, and I understand people having reservations, it's probably warranted. But unless MU can amazingly Pull Olivier Sarr and/or Romello White, there isn't much left out there. Would I have much rather they landed Turner or Burton?? 100% yes..Unfortunately that didn't happen. It still allows them a scholarship available for Mane as well.
Romello White is expected to transfer to Vandy. He is from Atlanta (3.5 hr drive to Atl) and played for Stackhouse Elite. We'll see.
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/28167956/college-basketball-transfer-rankings-2020-21-2021-22
DJ checking in at #3
Perez at #35
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I see Jalen Carey is #28.
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Unreal...
Evan Daniels
@EvanDaniels
Wake Forest transfer Olivier Sarr just verbally committed to Kentucky. Averaged 13.7 PPG and 9.0 RPG this past season. Sarr is a sit one to play one.
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Unreal...
Evan Daniels
@EvanDaniels
Wake Forest transfer Olivier Sarr just verbally committed to Kentucky. Averaged 13.7 PPG and 9.0 RPG this past season. Sarr is a sit one to play one.
"Unreal" as in "water is wet"?
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"Unreal" as in "water is wet"?
I hope he doesn't get a waiver and never suits up for Kentucky...why should he get a waiver?? A coach being fired has not been a good reason according to the NCAA in the past. Incoming recruits, yes it is(and should be) always granted. Current players?? There's zero precedent for it.
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I hope he doesn't get a waiver and never suits up for Kentucky...why should he get a waiver?? A coach being fired has not been a good reason according to the NCAA in the past. Incoming recruits, yes it is(and should be) always granted. Current players?? There's zero precedent for it.
He should get a waiver. Hope he does
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I don't think I'm understanding the outrage on this one. What's wrong with him going to Kentucky? Great program, coach who develops successful pros, tons of roster openings.
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I hope he doesn't get a waiver and never suits up for Kentucky...why should he get a waiver?? A coach being fired has not been a good reason according to the NCAA in the past. Incoming recruits, yes it is(and should be) always granted. Current players?? There's zero precedent for it.
There was a kid last year who followed his coach from NKU to Cincy and got a waiver. Nobody outside of the Cincy athletic department has any idea how that came through in his favor.
For incoming recruits, they are only eligible for a waiver if they had already enrolled at the school prior to the coach being fired (the Thad Matta/Braxon Beverly rule).
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He should get a waiver. Hope he does
Other than for the fact that you DESPISE the NCAA(and likely all big business) give me a VALID reason why he should get a waiver OTHER than "because he should". This ought to be good..
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I don't think I'm understanding the outrage on this one. What's wrong with him going to Kentucky? Great program, coach who develops successful pros, tons of roster openings.
Because I'm tired of Kentucky pulling all these great kids and no one ever investigating them, that's why. Not to mention the fact there wasn't a single list anyone came out with for him and all of a sudden, he ends up at Kentucky.
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Because I'm tired of Kentucky pulling all these great kids and no one ever investigating them, that's why. Not to mention the fact there wasn't a single list anyone came out with for him and all of a sudden, he ends up at Kentucky.
A little ironic, as you basically want Marquette to operate like Kentucky.
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Because I'm tired of Kentucky pulling all these great kids and no one ever investigating them, that's why. Not to mention the fact there wasn't a single list anyone came out with for him and all of a sudden, he ends up at Kentucky.
Maybe he didn't feel the need to attention whore.
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I hope he doesn't get a waiver and never suits up for Kentucky...why should he get a waiver?? A coach being fired has not been a good reason according to the NCAA in the past. Incoming recruits, yes it is(and should be) always granted. Current players?? There's zero precedent for it.
Odd... the tweet you posted says sit one then play one, with no mention of a waiver. Very confused what this outrage is coming from? A different tweet I'm not privy to?
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Because I'm tired of Kentucky pulling all these great kids and no one ever investigating them, that's why. Not to mention the fact there wasn't a single list anyone came out with for him and all of a sudden, he ends up at Kentucky.
You're seeing something that isn't there. Kentucky wins, gets exposure, gets recruits, and puts those recruits in the league. So obviously, kids want to go there... for those reasons.
If Cal had to pay players in the past, he doesn't have to now. Maybe show up with some evidence of wrong doing or drop it.
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Other than for the fact that you DESPISE the NCAA(and likely all big business) give me a VALID reason why he should get a waiver OTHER than "because he should". This ought to be good..
His coach got fired and he hasn’t had a waiver before. I believe all student athletes should be allowed a one-time waiver. Also, the NCAA is garbage
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His coach got fired and he hasn’t had a waiver before. I believe all student athletes should be allowed a one-time waiver. Also, the NCAA is garbage
So what?? The NCAA hasn't typically granted waivers for this before. You can think what you want about the NCAA, that's your prerogative. But, you're one of those kids that doesn't believe there should be rules for anything. Let everyone do whatever they want. That's your generation and how they think, so it's not just you.
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So what?? The NCAA hasn't typically granted waivers for this before. You can think what you want about the NCAA, that's your prerogative. But, you're one of those kids that doesn't believe there should be rules for anything. Let everyone do whatever they want. That's your generation and how they think, so it's not just you.
Just stop with this nonsense. Just because people don't feel that SAs should have to wait a year when they transfer, doesn't mean they believe there shouldn't be rules for anything or everyone should do what they want. That is ridiculous hyperbole that only weakens your point.
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So what?? The NCAA hasn't typically granted waivers for this before. You can think what you want about the NCAA, that's your prerogative. But, you're one of those kids that doesn't believe there should be rules for anything. Let everyone do whatever they want. That's your generation and how they think, so it's not just you.
1. You have no idea how old I am.
2. If you read the whole post, I said I believe all student athletes should get 1 transfer with no waiver needed
3. If we’re tossing out generalities, then you’re of that generation that wants college athletes to entertain them and thank the man for the opportunity
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Just stop with this nonsense. Just because people don't feel that SAs should have to wait a year when they transfer, doesn't mean they believe there shouldn't be rules for anything or everyone should do what they want. That is ridiculous hyperbole that only weakens your point.
No it's not...Rico has made it abundantly clear NUMEROUS times, he wants student athletes to have free reign to do whatever they want because...F*uck the NCAA, because they make the rules. Just because HE doesn't like their rules doesn't mean they shouldn't be abided be. For the record, I'm not a fan of the NCAA either, but that doesn't mean SA should have free reign like Rico thinks they should.
I challenge you or Rico to come up with a VERY logical and VALID reason why student Athletes should be allowed to transfer without sitting out. However, with this you CANNOT use "because regular students can" or "because the NCAA sucks" or "coaches can do it". All VERY weak reasons. So I'm eliminating those. Better yet, tell me how a SA is irreparably harmed by having to sit a year.
For the record, I am all for SA's being granted waivers for valid reasons..Abuse from a former Coach etc, but not "just because a kid wants to be able to play". There is ZERO justifiable reason Olivier Sarr(or anyone else for this reason) should be allowed to play this year without sitting. How is it hurting him in any way by having to sit out?? Answer: it's not.
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No it's not...Rico has made it abundantly clear NUMEROUS times, he wants student athletes to have free reign to do whatever they want because...F*uck the NCAA, because they make the rules. Just because HE doesn't like their rules doesn't mean they shouldn't be abided be. For the record, I'm not a fan of the NCAA either, but that doesn't mean SA should have free reign like Rico thinks they should.
I challenge you or Rico to come up with a VERY logical and VALID reason why student Athletes should be allowed to transfer without sitting out. However, with this you CANNOT use "because regular students can" or "because the NCAA sucks" or "coaches can do it". All VERY weak reasons. So I'm eliminating those. Better yet, tell me how a SA is irreparably harmed by having to sit a year.
Because I'm of the opinion the reasons usually given for waiting a year are "VERY weak" and therefore I am "eliminating" them.
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No it's not...Rico has made it abundantly clear NUMEROUS times, he wants student athletes to have free reign to do whatever they want because...F*uck the NCAA, because they make the rules. Just because HE doesn't like their rules doesn't mean they shouldn't be abided be. For the record, I'm not a fan of the NCAA either, but that doesn't mean SA should have free reign like Rico thinks they should.
I challenge you or Rico to come up with a VERY logical and VALID reason why student Athletes should be allowed to transfer without sitting out. However, with this you CANNOT use "because regular students can" or "because the NCAA sucks" or "coaches can do it". All VERY weak reasons. So I'm eliminating those. Better yet, tell me how a SA is irreparably harmed by having to sit a year.
For the record, I am all for SA's being granted waivers for valid reasons..Abuse from a former Coach etc, but not "just because a kid wants to be able to play". There is ZERO justifiable reason Olivier Sarr(or anyone else for this reason) should be allowed to play this year without sitting. How is it hurting him in any way by having to sit out?? Answer: it's not.
How is it helping him by sitting out? Answer: it’s not
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An adult should want what's best for the young athlete.
That's my succinct reason for believing Sarr should get to play immediately at Kentucky -- and Carton should get to play immediately at Marquette.
I challenge you or Rico to come up with a VERY logical and VALID reason why student Athletes should be allowed to transfer without sitting out. However, with this you CANNOT use "because regular students can" or "because the NCAA sucks" or "coaches can do it". All VERY weak reasons. So I'm eliminating those. Better yet, tell me how a SA is irreparably harmed by having to sit a year.
Why does an anonymous interwebs dude get to make the rules on what reason is "lame" or not?
I happen to believe that you wanting to inhibit the freedom of a fellow American is "lame."
Scholarship wrestlers, soccer players, volleyball players and swimmers do not have to sit out a year after they transfer. Neither do newspaper editors, tuba players or dancers who are on scholarship. Why should they enjoy freedoms that basketball, football, hockey and baseball players do not?
And, of course, even though you think it's "lame" ... we all know that coaches have just about total free agency, no matter what their contracts say.
Finally, it's easy for you to say that another person won't be "irreparably damaged" by a bad rule that inhibits freedom. Your freedom isn't being inhibited. Why do you only care about the freedom of the power brokers and not the freedom of the young athletes who work dozens upon dozens of hours every week to give you countless hours of enjoyment every basketball season?
The new rule is at most a year away, guru, so you're gonna have to find something else to whine incessantly about. I have confidence that you will!
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An adult should want what's best for the young athlete.
That's my succinct reason for believing Sarr should get to play immediately at Kentucky -- and Carton should get to play immediately at Marquette.
Why does an anonymous interwebs dude get to make the rules on what reason is "lame" or not?
I happen to believe that you wanting to inhibit the freedom of a fellow American is "lame."
Scholarship wrestlers, soccer players, volleyball players and swimmers do not have to sit out a year after they transfer. Neither do newspaper editors, tuba players or dancers who are on scholarship. Why should they enjoy freedoms that basketball, football, hockey and baseball players do not?
And, of course, even though you think it's "lame" ... we all know that coaches have just about total free agency, no matter what their contracts say.
Finally, it's easy for you to say that another person won't be "irreparably damaged" by a bad rule that inhibits freedom. Your freedom isn't being inhibited. Why do you only care about the freedom of the power brokers and not the freedom of the young athletes who work dozens upon dozens of hours every week to give you countless hours of enjoyment every basketball season?
The new rule is at most a year away, guru, so you're gonna have to find something else to whine incessantly about. I have confidence that you will!
Don’t disagree here, though I suspect tuba players might find it hard to get a scholie at another school....... ;)
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Odd... the tweet you posted says sit one then play one, with no mention of a waiver. Very confused what this outrage is coming from? A different tweet I'm not privy to?
there's an assumption. Every kid asks about a waiver upon deciding to transfer for whatever reason. Some are laughable requests (broke up with my GF was my favorite).
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Perez announcing at 5pm tomorrow
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I’ll be announcing my decision tomorrow at 5pm.
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there's an assumption. Every kid asks about a waiver upon deciding to transfer for whatever reason. Some are laughable requests (broke up with my GF was my favorite).
Any reason is a good reason.
Making athletes who transfer sit out a season is a stupid and antiquated rule that’s about to be relegated to the ashbin of history
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Gut feeling I have is Perez it ISU
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Gut feeling I have is Perez it ISU
forgot to mention Koreem Ozier, Racine native has ISU in his final 6 too, was supposed to announce yesterday
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Gut feeling I have is Perez it ISU
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Any reason is a good reason.
Making athletes who transfer sit out a season is a stupid and antiquated rule that’s about to be relegated to the ashbin of history
So let me ask you this, and it's an honest and fair question...since you are all about the athlete and in favor of the one time transfer rule...would you be okay with it if a kid wanted to transfer somewhere else on a Tuesday after his current teams game, and played for his new team that same week on Saturday, leaving his old team high and dry??
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So let me ask you this, and it's an honest and fair question...since you are all about the athlete and in favor of the one time transfer rule...would you be okay with it if a kid wanted to transfer somewhere else on a Tuesday after his current teams game, and played for his new team that same week on Saturday, leaving his old team high and dry??
I’m sure it would be like any other student transferring. They would need to wait until the beginning of the next semester.
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I’m sure it would be like any other student transferring. They would need to wait until the beginning of the next semester.
I don't disagree, I'm asking to see how much freedom he wants to give the student athletes, or if he wants them to have free reign(like in my example).
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Any reason is a good reason.
Making athletes who transfer sit out a season is a stupid and antiquated rule that’s about to be relegated to the ashbin of history
Hmmmm so any reason is a good reason to transfer, and you are all for transfers...and yet you were one of the most vocal people here RAILING and I do mean absolutely beating the hell out of Sam when he transferred calling him a quitter etc. So, you can't have it both ways, right?? You didn't like that he transferred and hated his reason behind it even more, yet you say any reason is a good reason...so which is it??
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Hmmmm so any reason is a good reason to transfer, and you are all for transfers...and yet you were one of the most vocal people here RAILING and I do mean absolutely beating the hell out of Sam when he transferred calling him a quitter etc. So, you can't have it both ways, right?? You didn't like that he transferred and hated his reason behind it even more, yet you say any reason is a good reason...so which is it??
He wasn’t railing on Sam
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He wasn’t railing on Sam
OMG the hell he wasn't...He was calling him a quitter etc, he was one of the most vocal about it. You know it too. Go look up the threads...MU82 was all over them railing on the kid...big time. I'm pretty sure I could find where you were too.
So i will ask you, in my example...kid plays for someone Tuesday night, Coach from another school calls after the game, says we'd really like to have you, so he transfers the next day leaving his team high and dry and is playing for a new team Saturday...you'd be okay with that??
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OMG the hell he wasn't...He was calling him a quitter etc, he was one of the most vocal about it. You know it too. Go look up the threads...MU82 was all over them railing on the kid...big time. I'm pretty sure I could find where you were too.
So i will ask you, in my example...kid plays for someone Tuesday night, Coach from another school calls after the game, says we'd really like to have you, so he transfers the next day leaving his team high and dry and is playing for a new team Saturday...you'd be okay with that??
That example is ridiculous and you know it. If you read what I wrote, I said one time transfers with no waiver.
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OMG the hell he wasn't...He was calling him a quitter etc, he was one of the most vocal about it. You know it too. Go look up the threads...MU82 was all over them railing on the kid...big time. I'm pretty sure I could find where you were too.
So i will ask you, in my example...kid plays for someone Tuesday night, Coach from another school calls after the game, says we'd really like to have you, so he transfers the next day leaving his team high and dry and is playing for a new team Saturday...you'd be okay with that??
Let me guess, you were one of those who asked questions like "would you be OK if I married my dog?" after same-sex marriage was legalized.
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Let me guess, you were one of those who asked questions like "would you be OK if I married my dog?" after same-sex marriage was legalized.
In before the lock and nodding in the affirmative
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OMG the hell he wasn't...He was calling him a quitter etc, he was one of the most vocal about it. You know it too. Go look up the threads...MU82 was all over them railing on the kid...big time. I'm pretty sure I could find where you were too.
So i will ask you, in my example...kid plays for someone Tuesday night, Coach from another school calls after the game, says we'd really like to have you, so he transfers the next day leaving his team high and dry and is playing for a new team Saturday...you'd be okay with that??
under current rules that couldn't happen. A tennis player can transfer at the semester but is not eligible to play for another NCAA team that season. But, should the transfer regulations be waived I could see the arguments from the Bilas' and Goodman's of the world saying that should be permissible because they have to complain about something.
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under current rules that couldn't happen. A tennis player can transfer at the semester but is not eligible to play for another NCAA team that season. But, should the transfer regulations be waived I could see the arguments from the Bilas' and Goodman's of the world saying that should be permissible because they have to complain about something.
In that case, Bilas and Goodman would be wrong. There’s no feasible way to make that work, that’s why it’s a ridiculous argument.
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Would you idiots get mommy to change your diaper, and go to bed?
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So let me ask you this, and it's an honest and fair question...since you are all about the athlete and in favor of the one time transfer rule...would you be okay with it if a kid wanted to transfer somewhere else on a Tuesday after his current teams game, and played for his new team that same week on Saturday, leaving his old team high and dry??
I'll worry about this situation if there ever is a possibility of it happening. Creating strawmen out of hypothetical situations - especially those that are likely to never happen - is a tactic of a desperate debater.
Hmmmm so any reason is a good reason to transfer, and you are all for transfers...and yet you were one of the most vocal people here RAILING and I do mean absolutely beating the hell out of Sam when he transferred calling him a quitter etc. So, you can't have it both ways, right?? You didn't like that he transferred and hated his reason behind it even more, yet you say any reason is a good reason...so which is it??
Yes, I absolutely called Sam and Joey the Quitter Brothers, or something like that, because they quit on their team in 2018-19 and totally torpedoed a promising season. I stopped doing that, BTW, when calmer folks convinced me that it was bad form. But yes, I called them that.
However, that has nothing to do with the point you are desperately trying (and failing) to make here. My answer to your question would be:
Yes, that's a valid reason. Because Sam and Joey should not have even needed a reason. Just as they would have been allowed to transfer to Virginia and Michigan State and play lacrosse right away if they had been scholarship lacrosse players at Marquette, they should have been allowed to do the same as basketball players. It's an antiquated rule that has to go -- right there with "freshmen can't play on varsity" and "women don't deserve athletic scholarships" -- which is why it won't exist a year from now.
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OMG the hell he wasn't...He was calling him a quitter etc, he was one of the most vocal about it. You know it too. Go look up the threads...MU82 was all over them railing on the kid...big time. I'm pretty sure I could find where you were too.
Who hurt you?
So i will ask you, in my example...kid plays for someone Tuesday night, Coach from another school calls after the game, says we'd really like to have you, so he transfers the next day leaving his team high and dry and is playing for a new team Saturday...you'd be okay with that??
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I'll worry about this situation if there ever is a possibility of it happening. Creating strawmen out of hypothetical situations - especially those that are likely to never happen - is a tactic of a desperate debater.
Yes, I absolutely called Sam and Joey the Quitter Brothers, or something like that, because they quit on their team in 2018-19 and totally torpedoed a promising season. I stopped doing that, BTW, when calmer folks convinced me that it was bad form. But yes, I called them that.
However, that has nothing to do with the point you are desperately trying (and failing) to make here. My answer to your question would be:
Yes, that's a valid reason. Because Sam and Joey should not have even needed a reason. Just as they would have been allowed to transfer to Virginia and Michigan State and play lacrosse right away if they had been scholarship lacrosse players at Marquette, they should have been allowed to do the same as basketball players. It's an antiquated rule that has to go -- right there with "freshmen can't play on varsity" and "women don't deserve athletic scholarships" -- which is why it won't exist a year from now.
Okay, so let's take it a step further(and you'll bail on this because it's "hypothetical") so we let them transfer without having to sit out..Some kids transfer multiple times, should they be allowed to transfer say 3 different times in three years without having to sit out?? Because after all, if we are going to let them do it once, then eventually people will call for them to be allowed to do it as often as they want. Give them an inch, they will want a mile. Where does it stop??
No different then the NIL, okay for now they will get paid for their name, image and likeness, but eventually(and it WILL happen) people will say "that's not enough" and call for schools to make the students to get paid directly by the University. And then, at some point someone will say you know, these kids are getting paid now, there's no reason for them to take classes etc. It never ends..
And by the way, just because something is "antiquated" doesn't make it bad, or wrong. It just gets changed because enough people whine and complain about it and are "offended" by it, so people bow to the pressure and change it, even if it was fine the way it was. I can cite many examples of this in this world, but I will keep those to myself.
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Okay, so let's take it a step further(and you'll bail on this because it's "hypothetical") so we let them transfer without having to sit out..Some kids transfer multiple times, should they be allowed to transfer say 3 different times in three years without having to sit out?? Because after all, if we are going to let them do it once, then eventually people will call for them to be allowed to do it as often as they want. Give them an inch, they will want a mile. Where does it stop??
No different then the NIL, okay for now they will get paid for their name, image and likeness, but eventually(and it WILL happen) people will say "that's not enough" and call for schools to make the students to get paid directly by the University. And then, at some point someone will say you know, these kids are getting paid now, there's no reason for them to take classes etc. It never ends..
And by the way, just because something is "antiquated" doesn't make it bad, or wrong. It just gets changed because enough people whine and complain about it and are "offended" by it, so people bow to the pressure and change it, even if it was fine the way it was. I can cite many examples of this in this world, but I will keep those to myself.
Change happens. That's why we have black athletes all across the country now. That's why we have women getting athletic scholarships. That's why we have freshmen eligible to play. That's why we have the shot clock. That's why we have the 3-point shot. That's why we have a college football playoff. Etc, etc, etc.
Each time, for each and every one of those situations (and plenty of others), people who were set in their ways argued vigorously against them. Title IX was going to ruin college football, and so on. Lots and lots and lots of Chicken Littling. And yet college sports are bigger than ever.
You keep asking me hypothetical questions. I'll ask you a real one: Why should scholarship lacrosse players and scholarship wrestlers be allowed to transfer and then play the next season on scholarships while scholarship basketball and scholarship baseball players can't?
As for your latest hypothetical question ... yes, if there is enough support to go from having a 1-time waiver to having repeated transfers keeping eligibility, it certainly could change again. And you will complain again. And I will remind you that life will go on again.
A coach can go from Kentucky one year to Syracuse the next year to BYU the next year to UCLA the next year. Doesn't matter if he has contracts. Doesn't matter if he preached loyalty to his players at every stop. He can do it. Why is it OK for a coach to have that level of freedom, but it's not OK for an athlete to have the freedom to better himself?
As for "give them an inch, they will want a mile" ... you might want to be careful with that wording. That's literally what white folks said during the Civil Rights movement, what men said as women slowly gained equal(ish) rights, what factory-owners said about paying fair wages to people working dangerous jobs, etc. I am NOT accusing you of being racist or sexist, just pointing out that such language doesn't really help your case.
People ALWAYS want more, guru. Darn that striving for freedom, financial independence, human rights, equality, dignity, justice ... all that dopey crud, you know?
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Why dont u two get a room?
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Slippery slope...
Well, if you let gay people marry, soon they'll want to marry their dog and then their tree, etc etc!!!!
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Okay, so let's take it a step further(and you'll bail on this because it's "hypothetical") so we let them transfer without having to sit out..Some kids transfer multiple times, should they be allowed to transfer say 3 different times in three years without having to sit out?? Because after all, if we are going to let them do it once, then eventually people will call for them to be allowed to do it as often as they want. Give them an inch, they will want a mile. Where does it stop??
This is really a poor way of making an argument. Just because people want to change one thing, doesn't mean it opens the doors to everything. This has been used as a reason not to change something for time eternal....and life just doesn't work that way.
For now, people want to simply give students one "free" transfer. Maybe that will change in the future and students will get multiple transfers without waiting. But that's really not a reason to not do it now.
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This is really a poor way of making an argument. Just because people want to change one thing, doesn't mean it opens the doors to everything. This has been used as a reason not to change something for time eternal....and life just doesn't work that way.
For now, people want to simply give students one "free" transfer. Maybe that will change in the future and students will get multiple transfers without waiting. But that's really not a reason to not do it now.
It's an odd arguing strategy, to go from "well, this strawman was too extreme so I'll make an EVEN BIGGER strawman." Sometimes you just gotta take the L.
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Guys, just leave guru alone. He doesn't know how to put forth a decent argument. Engaging him always leads to these sorts of meltdowns. The information he gathers daily is valuable. It would be nice if he'd leave his emotions at the door, but that doesn't seem to be a possibility.
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Ray Salnave down to 3 schools. one of them is LMU, go get him Stan, the other 2 are St. Johns and DePaul, DePaul makes no sense since they got 2 transfer
guards already so it might be St. Johns, his home. Good luck Stan!
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Hoping we get good news on Perez today. 5pm announcement. Not sure if ET or CT.
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Hoping we get good news on Perez today. 5pm announcement. Not sure if ET or CT.
ET
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In that case, Bilas and Goodman would be wrong. There’s no feasible way to make that work, that’s why it’s a ridiculous argument.
They'll find something to complain about. Kids having to earn a respectable GPA was unacceptable to them. When a kid says "I should be able to play immediately at my new school, and I mean right now" who's to say they won't say not letting him do it is unfair.
BTW, there is more opposition to immediate eligibility than people think.
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Hoping we get good news on Perez today. 5pm announcement. Not sure if ET or CT.
Crystal bowel 100% for MU. One being Andrew Slater, who is plugged in on the east coast. Feeling pretty good about this one.
fwiw, MU would drop to 63 with Jose Perez on T-Rank (if he surprisingly got a waiver)
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Crystal bowel 100% for MU. One being Andrew Slater, who is plugged in on the east coast. Feeling pretty good about this one.
fwiw, MU would drop to 63 with Jose Perez on T-Rank (if he surprisingly got a waiver)
I kind of doubt a waiver is in play for him unless NCAA does a blanket waiver.
I think he's much more of play of 21-22 when the roster projects to be veryyyyy thin (numbers-wise) and very young.
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I kind of doubt a waiver is in play for him unless NCAA does a blanket waiver.
I think he's much more of play of 21-22 when the roster projects to be veryyyyy thin (numbers-wise) and very young.
Yep. If the crystal bowels aren't full of shyte, I will be glad to add this 6-5, experienced, athletic depth piece for the future.
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Crystal bowel 100% for MU. One being Andrew Slater, who is plugged in on the east coast. Feeling pretty good about this one.
fwiw, MU would drop to 63 with Jose Perez on T-Rank (if he surprisingly got a waiver)
This genuinely means nothing at this point. T-rank has been waaay over utilized on here (by myself included)
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i didn't realize Perez left the team in February due to personal issues. On the surface he may have as good a case for a waiver as D.J.
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Per his twitter, Jonah Antonio is down to DePaul, BYU, and Rhode Island. Wish any player the best, but glad we are out.
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i didn't realize Perez left the team in February due to personal issues. On the surface he may have as good a case for a waiver as D.J.
I think even if he could get a waiver, the staff would want him to sit out next season.
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I think even if he could get a waiver, the staff would want him to sit out next season.
Im not sure about that.
If carton doesnt get a waiver, we have koby, greg, symir and dex. Oof
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Im not sure about that.
If carton doesnt get a waiver, we have koby, greg, symir and dex. Oof
If Carton doesn't get a waiver, woof in general. Likely he never plays for Marquette if he doesn't get one.
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I think even if he could get a waiver, the staff would want him to sit out next season.
I disagree here, more competition the better. Not sure what MU has in Koby, will he be better as a 2 guard, not sure, Elliott always hurt and was toasted on D last
year, then you have Akanno with no experience. So to say you do not need right away is debatable, for me, hope he plays. Secondly, he is big enough to play the small
forward if Bailey leaves as you will only have Cain and Oso at the small forward, Cain was a turnover ready to happen when he touched the ball, and Oso is a frosh.
Lots of moving parts then.
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If Carton doesn't get a waiver, woof in general. Likely he never plays for Marquette if he doesn't get one.
I agree with this
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I disagree here, more competition the better. Not sure what MU has in Koby, will he be better as a 2 guard, not sure, Elliott always hurt and was toasted on D last
year, then you have Akanno with no experience. So to say you do not need right away is debatable, for me, hope he plays. Secondly, he is big enough to play the small
forward if Bailey leaves as you will only have Cain and Oso at the small forward, Cain was a turnover ready to happen when he touched the ball, and Oso is a frosh.
Lots of moving parts then.
I don't think the staff is worried about Bailey leaving.
Also coaches can't focus on just what is good for next season. They have to focus on what's best for the program overall. I think its better for the program if Jose were to sit next season and play the two seasons after that.
Redshirt years are very valuable. Its a gift that shouldn't be overlooked
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I don't think the staff is worried about Bailey leaving.
Also coaches can't focus on just what is good for next season. They have to focus on what's best for the program overall. I think its better for the program if Jose were to sit next season and play the two seasons after that.
Redshirt years are very valuable. Its a gift that shouldn't be overlooked
I agree it is great to have a kid sit for a year and improve, but if he is better than what you have now, then he needs to play.
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I agree it is great to have a kid sit for a year and improve, but if he is better than what you have now, then he needs to play.
A player would be smart to redshirt vs. taking a chance on a season that could get cut short again.
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According to 247 Perez is down to MU, IL and Creighton. Apparently ISU and Memphis out? Interesting if true. I think a lot of early indicators had ISU as a fav..
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Per his twitter, Jonah Antonio is down to DePaul, BYU, and Rhode Island. Wish any player the best, but glad we are out.
so a 66.66% chance that he goes 7/10 from 3 against us next year in at least 1 game.
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Regarding Jose Perez Iowa State Board is Saying they are probably out and Illinois board is saying Marquette. “We will see”
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Got heeeeeeeeeem. Glad to land Perez. Think he'll be a nice fit, and at worst, a really solid role player in 21-22 and 22-23.
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Okay so Jose Perez is following Sam Hauser...first Justin Turner, now Jose Perez...strange how he is a random follow for these guys..I still can't fathom he'd bad mouth MU to these guys, but of all people why do these transfers suddenly follow Sam Hauser??
At least Sam didn’t do us dirty this time, eh guru?
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https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1258772272938135552
Updated Transfer List now at 775:
Just 12 high-major teams haven’t had a transfer this year:
Gonzaga, FSU, Miami, Virginia, Marquette, Providence, Villanova, Michigan State, Baylor, Texas, Auburn, SMU
When's the last time MU had zero transfers in a season?
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I heard 2007 was the last time.
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https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1258772272938135552
Updated Transfer List now at 775:
Just 12 high-major teams haven’t had a transfer this year:
Gonzaga, FSU, Miami, Virginia, Marquette, Providence, Villanova, Michigan State, Baylor, Texas, Auburn, SMU
When's the last time MU had zero transfers in a season?
That is interesting. But I’m not positive Bailey is either stay draft eligible or back to MU. He won’t stay in the draft, but I think he might be using draft process to assess if he’ll be better prepared for chance at NBA in another program.
We’ll see, but that’s my hunch of why he’s doing this.
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That is interesting. But I’m not positive Bailey is either stay draft eligible or back to MU. He won’t stay in the draft, but I think he might be using draft process to assess if he’ll be better prepared for chance at NBA in another program.
We’ll see, but that’s my hunch of why he’s doing this.
That would be really dumb. If BB transferred, he'd play his next real game as a 24-year-old junior. Assuming his ultimate goal is to make money playing basketball sooner rather than later - and it obviously is - spending his 23-year-old year sitting on a college bench would be an awfully foolish way of going about it.
I suspect your hunch is mostly wishful thinking for something else to complain about.
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That would be really dumb. If BB transferred, he'd play his next real game as a 24-year-old junior. Assuming his ultimate goal is to make money playing basketball sooner rather than later - and it obviously is - spending his 23-year-old year sitting on a college bench would be an awfully foolish way of going about it.
I suspect your hunch is mostly wishful thinking for something else to complain about.
Well, since there’s been no vote yet if rules on transferring will stay as is or be changed, it’s all still fluid and may be an option for him, isn’t it?
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Well, since there’s been no vote yet if rules on transferring will stay as is or be changed, it’s all still fluid and may be an option for him, isn’t it?
I mean anything can happen, but I can put the likelihood of that at less than 1%.
If Bailey isn't playing at MU next year, its because he went overseas. But I doubt that happens.
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There doesn’t have to be a vote at all. Status quo requires no vote.
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That would be really dumb. If BB transferred, he'd play his next real game as a 24-year-old junior. Assuming his ultimate goal is to make money playing basketball sooner rather than later - and it obviously is - spending his 23-year-old year sitting on a college bench would be an awfully foolish way of going about it.
I suspect your hunch is mostly wishful thinking for something else to complain about.
I do not think Bailey will transfer to another school. I also think he will not be back at MU. Basically, he is done with college, if he does not come back to MU.
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Next man up, hey?
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https://247sports.com/college/minnesota/Article/Badgers-reach-out-to-Rice-transfer-Drew-Peterson-147009464/
So Gard is going to run someone?? They don't do that, I thought?? ::)
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https://247sports.com/college/minnesota/Article/Badgers-reach-out-to-Rice-transfer-Drew-Peterson-147009464/
So Gard is going to run someone?? They don't do that, I thought?? ::)
I'm sure someone is not smart enough for Madison
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There's a kid on their team who's father had a serious bicycle accident. If anyone leaves the team, I could see him transferring back to a smaller school closer to home. He isn't projected to play much in his Wisconsin career.
Don't know what the article said.
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https://247sports.com/college/minnesota/Article/Badgers-reach-out-to-Rice-transfer-Drew-Peterson-147009464/
So Gard is going to run someone?? They don't do that, I thought?? ::)
cool, more Vadgers news on Scoop...
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Purdue junior Nojel Eastern has entered the transfer portal, sources told ESPN. Started 62 games the past two seasons, averaged 4.9 points and 2.7 assists last season.
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Purdue junior Nojel Eastern has entered the transfer portal, sources told ESPN. Started 62 games the past two seasons, averaged 4.9 points and 2.7 assists last season.
Talk about a guy who's never lived up to his potential...
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Purdue junior Nojel Eastern has entered the transfer portal, sources told ESPN. Started 62 games the past two seasons, averaged 4.9 points and 2.7 assists last season.
Would have been the perfect piece next to Markus the last two years. Not sure about going forward.
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Stony Brook's Elijah Olaniyi is now in the transfer portal, sources told ESPN -- but not as a graduate transfer. Averaged 18.0 points and 6.5 rebounds last season, earned first-team All-America East honors.
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Purdue junior Nojel Eastern has entered the transfer portal, sources told ESPN. Started 62 games the past two seasons, averaged 4.9 points and 2.7 assists last season.
Would take him in a heartbeat and if I recall correctly we were in on him at some point
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Stony Brook's Elijah Olaniyi is now in the transfer portal, sources told ESPN -- but not as a graduate transfer. Averaged 18.0 points and 6.5 rebounds last season, earned first-team All-America East honors.
Would take him in a heartbeat as well
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Talk about a guy who's never lived up to his potential...
Yup. His game was never going to translate well to college. Said three years ago he was going to be a mediocre college player.
Curious as to where he ends up. Maybe a lower tier major conference team like DePaul or a high mid major?
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Talk about a guy who's never lived up to his potential...
Agree. Just a poor man’s Koby McEwen
Just a bench guy - I’d rather see Elliot with any minutes he might get.
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Stony Brook guard Makale Foreman will graduate and transfer. Averaged 15.6 points and made 104 3-pointers last season.
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Agree. Just a poor man’s Koby McEwen
Just a bench guy - I’d rather see Elliot with any minutes he might get.
Uhh what? Their game is nothing alike. Not to mention Eastern's advanced numbers are better, and lets not get started on their defense.
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Agree. Just a poor man’s Koby McEwen
Just a bench guy - I’d rather see Elliot with any minutes he might get.
Yikes. He really regressed last year. What happened to him? Woof. Curious what happened in general in West Lafayette that both him and Haarms bolted
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I'd be more interested had Perez not committed.
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Would take him in a heartbeat and if I recall correctly we were in on him at some point
And play him where? Kids big strong athlete with almost no skill
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Uhh what? Their game is nothing alike. Not to mention Eastern's advanced numbers are better, and lets not get started on their defense.
We are comparing people to Koby now? How about derrick wilson or jake thomas, wtf!?
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Yikes. He really regressed last year. What happened to him? Woof. Curious what happened in general in West Lafayette that both him and Haarms bolted
Wouldn’t be surprised if Eastern’s mom had some influence. She’s kinda psychotic and has unrealistic expectations.
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Eastern was one of the best defenders in the Big Ten. Good PG Skills, not much else on offense. Like I said, would have matched up perfectly with Markus (see Carsen Edwards, last year). Don’t see it now.
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Uhh what? Their game is nothing alike. Not to mention Eastern's advanced numbers are better, and lets not get started on their defense.
I agree Hound. I should have clearly stated that I was referring in terms of how much they would contribute to the team rather than comparing their styles.
The one thing I like about his game is his toughness.
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Stony Brook guard Makale Foreman will graduate and transfer. Averaged 15.6 points and made 104 3-pointers last season.
This guy can score in bunches, fearless, tough. He would open up some lanes for Garcia.
Check him out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1gMBJqi8Hw
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I'd be surprised if MU contacted any more transfers. I think that scholarship is Mane's until he says he's not coming.
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I'd be surprised if MU contacted any more transfers. I think that scholarship is Mane's until he says he's not coming.
At some point you gotta move on. I don't think saving it for Mane is a bad play, but at some point you stop holding a spot for a guy that seems awfully committed to be playing professionally.
I think you also have to game plan for the real possibility that Carton doesn't get a waiver, or worse never plays for Marquette without a waiver.
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At some point you gotta move on. I don't think saving it for Mane is a bad play, but at some point you stop holding a spot for a guy that seems awfully committed to be playing professionally.
I think you also have to game plan for the real possibility that Carton doesn't get a waiver, or worse never plays for Marquette without a waiver.
Exactly, and this is why I have wanted all along one more really good player that's eligible this year. Obviously none are going to be the quality of DJ, but if you can get a guy like Foreman, you take him A. Because it's somewhat of a "hedge" on Carton not getting a waiver and B. Even if Carton does get a waiver, I still think they need one more good player this year to be a legit NCAA tournament team.
My stance on Mane is that he's likely to stay in the draft regardless. Furthermore, he has had plenty of time to commit to MU if that's really what he wanted to do. I'm pretty sure the Coaches know whether he's worth waiting for or not, and we may just get our answer if we see them mentioned with other transfers, particularly Foreman from Stony Brook, as he is a grad transfer.
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Exactly, and this is why I have wanted all along one more really good player that's eligible this year. Obviously none are going to be the quality of DJ, but if you can get a guy like Foreman, you take him A. Because it's somewhat of a "hedge" on Carton not getting a waiver and B. Even if Carton does get a waiver, I still think they need one more good player this year to be a legit NCAA tournament team.
My stance on Mane is that he's likely to stay in the draft regardless. Furthermore, he has had plenty of time to commit to MU if that's really what he wanted to do. I'm pretty sure the Coaches know whether he's worth waiting for or not, and we may just get our answer if we see them mentioned with other transfers, particularly Foreman from Stony Brook, as he is a grad transfer.
I agree with this
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At some point you gotta move on. I don't think saving it for Mane is a bad play, but at some point you stop holding a spot for a guy that seems awfully committed to be playing professionally.
To do what with the scholarship though? Do you call Mane and say “we’re tired of your NBA pursuit, if you want to play in college do it elsewhere.”
There’s no one worth spending the scholarship on and potentially a five-star guard on the other end if they hold it open. If the alternative is giving it to someone we don’t need or saving it for Mane or just banking if he doesn’t come, I’d save it.
If a Mac Etienne type reclassified then maybe you have a reason to move on, otherwise moving on only hurts you.
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To do what with the scholarship though? Do you call Mane and say “we’re tired of your NBA pursuit, if you want to play in college do it elsewhere.”
There’s no one worth spending the scholarship on and potentially a five-star guard on the other end if they hold it open. If the alternative is giving it to someone we don’t need or saving it for Mane or just banking if he doesn’t come, I’d save it.
If a Mac Etienne type reclassified then maybe you have a reason to move on, otherwise moving on only hurts you.
You can always make room for Mane if he wants to come and you don't have a scholarship available, and I suspect MU would do just that if that scenario played out. You have to get as much talent as you possibly can. Plus though it's doubtful, there is possibly a chance Bailey goes pro overseas or wherever. You can always find scholarships for talented players.
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You can always make room for Mane if he wants to come and you don't have a scholarship available, and I suspect MU would do just that if that scenario played out. You have to get as much talent as you possibly can. Plus though it's doubtful, there is possibly a chance Bailey goes pro overseas or wherever. You can always find scholarships for talented players.
If someone of Mane’s ability comes along, then sure. I don’t anticipate anyone like that suddenly popping up on the radar. You don’t fill a scholarship just to fill it.
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You can always make room for Mane if he wants to come and you don't have a scholarship available, and I suspect MU would do just that if that scenario played out. You have to get as much talent as you possibly can. Plus though it's doubtful, there is possibly a chance Bailey goes pro overseas or wherever. You can always find scholarships for talented players.
Agree
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I know this is a hot button issue, and I'm not really trying to take a side here.
Regarding the "free market" I feel bad for players when their coaches leave without warning and think that when that occurs the players should be able to transfer without sitting. At the same time, you can't not feel bad for someone in Geno Ford's position. He's staying loyal to his employer, he's not testing the free market, and yet his team just got gutted because of the free market.
Now maybe there were forces in play that he could have controlled better (i.e. a hausergate situation), and I also realize that he gets paid more than most posters here, but when your job security depends on the actions of 18-22 year olds, and they have the option to do this, you can certainly find faults going both ways with the system.
https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1260295389737082881
Would this become a more common occurrence once the new transfer rules kick in? Probably. Would it occur frequently enough for there to be a legitimate push to re-instate the year in residency rule? IDK. Since it would most likely only negatively effect mid-majors, would any movement every gain enough support to actually cause a change? Probably not.
Again, not trying to take an official position here, I don't think there is "one" right answer to this problem, just pointing out the other side of the coin to all the "coaches can test the free market and leave whenever they want, leaving the student high and dry" argument.
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You can always make room for Mane if he wants to come and you don't have a scholarship available, and I suspect MU would do just that if that scenario played out. You have to get as much talent as you possibly can. Plus though it's doubtful, there is possibly a chance Bailey goes pro overseas or wherever. You can always find scholarships for talented players.
I don't see anyone out there that is good enough to cut one of our players for. That's not to say that there aren't players who are better than individual players on our roster, but no one who moves the needle enough to deal with the bad publicity and possible negative impacts on team chemistry that comes with cutting a player.
I think the staff is very comfortable with the roster as is. If Mane wants to hop on board too, that's gravy. The scholarship is his until he stops taking our calls.
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I don't see anyone out there that is good enough to cut one of our players for. That's not to say that there aren't players who are better than individual players on our roster, but no one who moves the needle enough to deal with the bad publicity and possible negative impacts on team chemistry that comes with cutting a player.
I think the staff is very comfortable with the roster as is. If Mane wants to hop on board too, that's gravy. The scholarship is his until he stops taking our calls.
Maybe not now, though I do think there's a couple guys that just entered the portal that I would take over a few of the current guys. There's rumblings(don't know if they have any substance) that Terrance Shannon from TTU may look to transfer..wouldn't you take him?? From Chicago. DePaul fans are already thinking he'd be a lock to DePaul. ::)
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You can always make room for Mane if he wants to come and you don't have a scholarship available, and I suspect MU would do just that if that scenario played out. You have to get as much talent as you possibly can. Plus though it's doubtful, there is possibly a chance Bailey goes pro overseas or wherever. You can always find scholarships for talented players.
If a current player was asked not to come back to make room for someone, I would make one post asking for the coaching staff to be removed and then would quit being a fan of Marquette until a new coaching staff was in place.
That's not how you run things at this school guru. I don't care what kind of win at all costs method you want to apply to this program. If they hire Bruce Pearl, Pitino or any of the other corner cutters, I'd be gone forever
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If a current player was asked not to come back to make room for someone, I would make one post asking for the coaching staff to be removed and then would quit being a fan of Marquette until a new coaching staff was in place.
That's not how you run things at this school guru. I don't care what kind of win at all costs method you want to apply to this program. If they hire Bruce Pearl, Pitino or any of the other corner cutters, I'd be gone forever
Doesn’t want players to earn off likeness but is okay cutting them for a more talented player. Don’t understand that logic at all.
Mooooo
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If a current player was asked not to come back to make room for someone, I would make one post asking for the coaching staff to be removed and then would quit being a fan of Marquette until a new coaching staff was in place.
That's not how you run things at this school guru. I don't care what kind of win at all costs method you want to apply to this program. If they hire Bruce Pearl, Pitino or any of the other corner cutters, I'd be gone forever
Has your opinion changed since the Newbill incident?
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I know this is a hot button issue, and I'm not really trying to take a side here.
Regarding the "free market" I feel bad for players when their coaches leave without warning and think that when that occurs the players should be able to transfer without sitting. At the same time, you can't not feel bad for someone in Geno Ford's position. He's staying loyal to his employer, he's not testing the free market, and yet his team just got gutted because of the free market.
Now maybe there were forces in play that he could have controlled better (i.e. a hausergate situation), and I also realize that he gets paid more than most posters here, but when your job security depends on the actions of 18-22 year olds, and they have the option to do this, you can certainly find faults going both ways with the system.
https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1260295389737082881
Would this become a more common occurrence once the new transfer rules kick in? Probably. Would it occur frequently enough for there to be a legitimate push to re-instate the year in residency rule? IDK. Since it would most likely only negatively effect mid-majors, would any movement every gain enough support to actually cause a change? Probably not.
Again, not trying to take an official position here, I don't think there is "one" right answer to this problem, just pointing out the other side of the coin to all the "coaches can test the free market and leave whenever they want, leaving the student high and dry" argument.
Players transfer down too?
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Has your opinion changed since the Newbill incident?
Newbill was never a student at MU. He never completed his application and essay to be admitted, nor did he submit his high school transcripts. Maybe a better comparison is Wally Ellenson, Gabe Levin, Brett Roseboro or TJ Taylor who had the rug pulled for various reasons, some with shared accountabilities, some not.
Point is, it’s a cold business. If you are looking for a saint to follow in college athletics, you will be looking a long time.
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Has your opinion changed since the Newbill incident?
Not sure I knew the specifics, but I never agreed with the Newbill situation because it looked like he was cut and Buzz did some things I didn't care for.
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Newbill was never a student at MU. He never completed his application and essay to be admitted, nor did he submit his high school transcripts.
He was never admited because apparently the coaching staff told him to take his time submitting his application materials. Obviously because Jamil's peeps had already reached out to Buzz. It's a distinction without a difference.
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He was never admited because apparently the coaching staff told him to take his time submitting his application materials. Obviously because Jamil's peeps had already reached out to Buzz. It's a distinction without a difference.
I am not going to rehash that story again here as that horse has been beaten to death. That situation was very different.
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I am not going to rehash that story again here as that horse has been beaten to death. That situation was very different.
If the staff wanted DJ on the team DJ would’ve been at Marquette. It’s that simple. It wasn’t DJ’s fault or choice, the staff chose a different player to take over DJ.
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If a current player was asked not to come back to make room for someone, I would make one post asking for the coaching staff to be removed and then would quit being a fan of Marquette until a new coaching staff was in place.
That's not how you run things at this school guru. I don't care what kind of win at all costs method you want to apply to this program. If they hire Bruce Pearl, Pitino or any of the other corner cutters, I'd be gone forever
This topic always send you over the edge...we know chemistry matters to you more than anything else. If only it were that easy Ted. You need talent to win.
Anyway, I highly doubt any of us would know for sure if a player was "run off" anyway. What if it was a mutual decision?? But it "looked" like he was run off. Second, you do realize that "cutting" players goes on at large High schools all over the country on a yearly basis right?? HIGH SCHOOLS.
Also, let us not forget scholarships are a year to year deal, no one is guaranteed one for four years. How about a walk on that is given a scholarship for a year and then doesn't get it the next year?? Are you okay with that??
I will tell you what, you can have your team of 13 players that all get along great and everything is rosy, but your guys aren't very good. I will take my team of more talented players and some issues and I will beat you a vast majority of the time, on pure talent alone.
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Anyway, I highly doubt any of us would know for sure if a player was "run off" anyway. What if it was a mutual decision?? But it "looked" like he was run off. Second, you do realize that "cutting" players goes on at large High schools all over the country on a yearly basis right?? HIGH SCHOOLS.
Other than maybe a few exceptions, high school players who get cut from their basketball teams don't lose thousands in scholarships. Many (most?) college players don't have the resources to attend the school they are at without the athletic scholarship forcing them to transfer to another school or drop out.
Also, let us not forget scholarships are a year to year deal, no one is guaranteed one for four years. How about a walk on that is given a scholarship for a year and then doesn't get it the next year?? Are you okay with that??
I've actually been wondering about this. A few years back a few posters were telling me that all the P5 schools were guaranteeing 4 year scholarships for their athletes (to justify having players take a year off if the transferred as a penalty year). I remember some articles being shared that confirmed that they were being offered but nothing that they were guaranteed. I honestly don't know how many if any D1 players are on multi-year scholarships. It certainly hasn't stopped coaches like Chris Beard from oversigning by 4 or 5 before beardtrimming some of his roster.
I have mixed feelings about cutting players. On one hand, scholarships are earned through athletic achievement. If a new recruit can bring more athletic achievement, I think it is fair to say that he earned the scholarship over a returning player (assuming the returner isn't on a multi-year scholarship). On the other hand, schools are supposed to be committed to their student athletes as students first. I don't like the idea of a student being forced to transfer academically because they lost their athletic scholarship.
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To do what with the scholarship though? Do you call Mane and say “we’re tired of your NBA pursuit, if you want to play in college do it elsewhere.”
There’s no one worth spending the scholarship on and potentially a five-star guard on the other end if they hold it open. If the alternative is giving it to someone we don’t need or saving it for Mane or just banking if he doesn’t come, I’d save it.
If a Mac Etienne type reclassified then maybe you have a reason to move on, otherwise moving on only hurts you.
If Mac Etienne or Mane want to come to Marquette in the coming months but you don't have a scholarship, you do what other good programs do and take him and figure out the scholarship situation.
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If a current player was asked not to come back to make room for someone, I would make one post asking for the coaching staff to be removed and then would quit being a fan of Marquette until a new coaching staff was in place.
That's not how you run things at this school guru. I don't care what kind of win at all costs method you want to apply to this program. If they hire Bruce Pearl, Pitino or any of the other corner cutters, I'd be gone forever
Lol - this is the exact type of post I was alluding to when Chris Beard had like 17 scholarship players on his roster a few weeks ago and I said this board would explode if Wojo oversigned. Marquette fans can't handle that type of recruiting.
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If Mac Etienne or Mane want to come to Marquette in the coming months but you don't have a scholarship, you do what other good programs do and take him and figure out the scholarship situation.
But that doesn't answer the "to do what with the scholarship" question. Right now, this is our expected roster for next year, and I am assuming Carton is eligible:
Guards: Carton, Elliott, Torrence, McEwen, Akanno
Wings: Bailey, Cain, Ighodaro, Garcia, (Perez RS)
Bigs: John, Lewis
So that's one scholarship left. Are there any guards who would definitively crack the lineup ahead of the guys we have? Are there any wings that clearly improve the roster, or even clearly impove the bench? I would see the argument for a big, but this staff hasn't really pursued bigs, so they seem comfortable with what we have.
I haven't seen any names so compelling that I think "gotta get that guy." Eastern is a bit intriguing, but sit-one/play-one when we have Perez seems redundant. I'm not convinced any of the low to mid major guys will really be that much better than say Koby, Elliott, Bailey, or Cain. If they do anything, it would be take minutes away from the youngsters that we want to develop.
If an Olivier Saar, Matt Haarms, Justin Turner, or Carlik Jones type was out there, then sure, but there doesn't seem to be, so why fill the scholarship just to fill it? I think it's more likely you would disrupt team chemistry than actually make your team better considering what the market looks like at this point.
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But that doesn't answer the "to do what with the scholarship" question. Right now, this is our expected roster for next year, and I am assuming Carton is eligible:
Guards: Carton, Elliott, Torrence, McEwen, Akanno
Wings: Bailey, Cain, Ighodaro, Garcia, (Perez RS)
Bigs: John, Lewis
So that's one scholarship left. Are there any guards who would definitively crack the lineup ahead of the guys we have? Are there any wings that clearly improve the roster, or even clearly impove the bench? I would see the argument for a big, but this staff hasn't really pursued bigs, so they seem comfortable with what we have.
I haven't seen any names so compelling that I think "gotta get that guy." Eastern is a bit intriguing, but sit-one/play-one when we have Perez seems redundant. I'm not convinced any of the low to mid major guys will really be that much better than say Koby, Elliott, Bailey, or Cain. If they do anything, it would be take minutes away from the youngsters that we want to develop.
If an Olivier Saar, Matt Haarms, Justin Turner, or Carlik Jones type was out there, then sure, but there doesn't seem to be, so why fill the scholarship just to fill it? I think it's more likely you would disrupt team chemistry than actually make your team better considering what the market looks like at this point.
What about say...I don't know..Terrance Shannon??
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But that doesn't answer the "to do what with the scholarship" question. Right now, this is our expected roster for next year, and I am assuming Carton is eligible:
Guards: Carton, Elliott, Torrence, McEwen, Akanno
Wings: Bailey, Cain, Ighodaro, Garcia, (Perez RS)
Bigs: John, Lewis
So that's one scholarship left. Are there any guards who would definitively crack the lineup ahead of the guys we have? Are there any wings that clearly improve the roster, or even clearly impove the bench? I would see the argument for a big, but this staff hasn't really pursued bigs, so they seem comfortable with what we have.
I haven't seen any names so compelling that I think "gotta get that guy." Eastern is a bit intriguing, but sit-one/play-one when we have Perez seems redundant. I'm not convinced any of the low to mid major guys will really be that much better than say Koby, Elliott, Bailey, or Cain. If they do anything, it would be take minutes away from the youngsters that we want to develop.
If an Olivier Saar, Matt Haarms, Justin Turner, or Carlik Jones type was out there, then sure, but there doesn't seem to be, so why fill the scholarship just to fill it? I think it's more likely you would disrupt team chemistry than actually make your team better considering what the market looks like at this point.
I haven't done enough research on any of the somewhat recent entrants to the portal to know if any are truly worth grabbing. I will wait to do that (or assume others will provide the info) if/when it comes out that MU is interested. Perez may have caused the Jalen Carey boat to sail, but I'd certainly take him as the 13th guy if that was still an option. As I said a page or two ago, I think Wojo needs to at least be prepared for the chance that Carton's waiver gets denied, and also the chance the waiver gets denied and he just goes pro, therefore never playing for MU. That opens up a spot. We also still have the Bailey thing hanging out there - that could open another.
I am not advocating adding any particular player, so the comment was more a general one. But at some point you have to realize that Mane isn't coming here. If that changes in the next 30-60 days, great. You find a spot. But its unlikely to change. Same for Etienne who not only needs to reclassify, but needs to pick Marquette amongst a slew of high major offers. Long odds, IMO. I also am not in love with saving a spot for a guy that seemingly would rather be elsewhere in Mane, but certainly he is talented enough that you make it work if you can add him.
That all said, I don't necessarily expect to get on the same page as the guy that preferred to burn 2 scholarships (or maybe even 3-4 pending how Carton/BB situations play out!) over taking a chance on Perez. So its probably just an agree to disagree thing, but yah - at some point, you just move on with 13 dudes that want to play for Marquette, and if Mane/Etienne come knocking down the road, you figure it out at that point.
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What about say...I don't know..Terrance Shannon??
Maybe if he transfers. But as far as I can tell, he hasn’t yet.
And I’ve never been a huge fan of the runoff. If we landed Shannon, for instance, that should take us out for Mane. But that’s just me.
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I don’t understand all the hand wringing over cutting a player. Can’t they just change their username and come back?
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If Mac Etienne or Mane want to come to Marquette in the coming months but you don't have a scholarship, you do what other good programs do and take him and figure out the scholarship situation.
how about pull a Buzz, claim the kid couldn't get admitted and send him packing in the summer?
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This topic always send you over the edge...we know chemistry matters to you more than anything else. If only it were that easy Ted. You need talent to win.
Anyway, I highly doubt any of us would know for sure if a player was "run off" anyway. What if it was a mutual decision?? But it "looked" like he was run off. Second, you do realize that "cutting" players goes on at large High schools all over the country on a yearly basis right?? HIGH SCHOOLS.
Also, let us not forget scholarships are a year to year deal, no one is guaranteed one for four years. How about a walk on that is given a scholarship for a year and then doesn't get it the next year?? Are you okay with that??
I will tell you what, you can have your team of 13 players that all get along great and everything is rosy, but your guys aren't very good. I will take my team of more talented players and some issues and I will beat you a vast majority of the time, on pure talent alone.
Chemistry absolutely does matter, guru. I mean, a pretty good argument has been made that poor chemistry ruined our 2018-19 season.
And you are smart enough to know it's not about having a team of 13 studs OR a team of 13 players that gets along great. Ideally, you have studs who are great at playing together, and who are augmented by good role players who also are great teammates. Why is your instinct usually to go to an extreme or a hypothetical situation or both?
But sure, you need talent to win. Nobody is denying that.
I happen to mostly agree with you, as I lean toward "selective over-recruiting is OK if necessary." That leaves a lot of wiggle room for definitions, yes, but I think you know what I mean. If a player who is definitely better than one of our role players/subs was available, I would have no problem signing him and then, if Mane suddenly said, "Marquette here I come," I would make the difficult decision to cut somebody. It would suck for that kid, but it has been part of the game for a long time. Even at Marquette.
guru, I would like to see your response to Rico's post:
Doesn’t want players to earn off likeness but is okay cutting them for a more talented player. Don’t understand that logic at all.
Why do you almost always side with the power brokers -- the NCAA, the universities, the big-money coaches? Why do you think it's OK for the very people who make it possible for you to enjoy your favorite college basketball team to always get the short end of the stick?
I mean, we all agree that you have to have talent to win. You have said it 1,000 times, and you're not wrong. But when that talent wants to be treated like an extremely important part of the equation, you say: "Tough. You will work 50-60-70 hours a week or more, you will get a scholarship and nothing else, you can't profit off your own likeness, and you will sit out a year if you transfer even though scholarship lacrosse players, wrestlers, volleyball players, etc, don't have to. You'll play by my rules, and if you don't like it go pound sand."
That doesn't seem consistent or logical for one who supposedly values talent as much as you claim to. Or do you only value talent in so far as that talent can serve your entertainment needs?
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/29170757/georgetown-mac-mcclung-withdraw-nba-draft-process-enter-transfer-portal
Gtown gonna be bad again next year. Never really impressed with the Ewing hire, seemed like a desperate attempt to hold dear to the Big John era and keep him happy after what happened with JT3.
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What this doesn't talk about is the PG from Chicago Ewing landed earlier this week. I'm guessing that might have played a role in Mac's leaving. Still crazy that it is all happening though.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/29170757/georgetown-mac-mcclung-withdraw-nba-draft-process-enter-transfer-portal
Gtown gonna be bad again next year. Never really impressed with the Ewing hire, seemed like a desperate attempt to hold dear to the Big John era and keep him happy after what happened with JT3.
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/29170757/georgetown-mac-mcclung-withdraw-nba-draft-process-enter-transfer-portal
Gtown gonna be bad again next year. Never really impressed with the Ewing hire, seemed like a desperate attempt to hold dear to the Big John era and keep him happy after what happened with JT3.
Can’t chase the ghosts of your past in sports. The glory days are great to remember but the times change. Some schools can’t get past that and it haunts them for decades
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Newbill was never a student at MU. He never completed his application and essay to be admitted, nor did he submit his high school transcripts. Maybe a better comparison is Wally Ellenson, Gabe Levin, Brett Roseboro or TJ Taylor who had the rug pulled for various reasons, some with shared accountabilities, some not.
Point is, it’s a cold business. If you are looking for a saint to follow in college athletics, you will be looking a long time.
that's the Buzz party line. He screwed over Newbill. The high school hadn't sent the final transcripts (it's not the kid's responsibility) but it was not that long after his graduation. June 30 is not an uncommon date for transcripts to not be received yet.
Levin didn't have the rug pulled out, he was miserable at MU for personal reasons.
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Frpm CBS
DePaul men’s basketball head coach Dave Leitao added a graduate transfer from Monmouth University today.
Guard Ray Salnave announced his intention to transfer to DePaul today. Salnave entered the NCAA transfer portal a few weeks ago.
Salnave, a 6-3, 205 lb. guard, was named a second team All-Metro Atlantic Athletic Conference after averaging 14.5 points, 4.5 rebounds, and 3.2 assists per game. Ray started in 27 games for the Hawks this season. He led the team in steals with 1.5 thefts per game. Salnave led the team’s starters in free throw shooting percentage while shooting 84.7 percent from the charity stripe. He led the Hawks in three point shooting with 36.4 percent shooting from beyond the arc.
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Frpm CBS
DePaul men’s basketball head coach Dave Leitao added a graduate transfer from Monmouth University today.
Guard Ray Salnave announced his intention to transfer to DePaul today. Salnave entered the NCAA transfer portal a few weeks ago.
Salnave, a 6-3, 205 lb. guard, was named a second team All-Metro Atlantic Athletic Conference after averaging 14.5 points, 4.5 rebounds, and 3.2 assists per game. Ray started in 27 games for the Hawks this season. He led the team in steals with 1.5 thefts per game. Salnave led the team’s starters in free throw shooting percentage while shooting 84.7 percent from the charity stripe. He led the Hawks in three point shooting with 36.4 percent shooting from beyond the arc.
No one wonders why kids commit to DePaul, for the dumpster fire that program is, they have had a pretty good offseason as far as landing transfers goes...no kid goes there with the hope of playing in the NCAA tournament, that's for sure...Marc H$u for the win.
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Frpm CBS
DePaul men’s basketball head coach Dave Leitao added a graduate transfer from Monmouth University today.
Guard Ray Salnave announced his intention to transfer to DePaul today. Salnave entered the NCAA transfer portal a few weeks ago.
Salnave, a 6-3, 205 lb. guard, was named a second team All-Metro Atlantic Athletic Conference after averaging 14.5 points, 4.5 rebounds, and 3.2 assists per game. Ray started in 27 games for the Hawks this season. He led the team in steals with 1.5 thefts per game. Salnave led the team’s starters in free throw shooting percentage while shooting 84.7 percent from the charity stripe. He led the Hawks in three point shooting with 36.4 percent shooting from beyond the arc.
He was down to DP, SJ, and LMU. Was hoping Stan could land him.
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At least Sam didn’t do us dirty this time, eh guru?
True But Sam liked Goodman’s Tweet of Turner heading back to BG. But Sam did not like Goodman’s or Daniels Tweet that Perez committed to Marquette.
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Chemistry absolutely does matter, guru. I mean, a pretty good argument has been made that poor chemistry ruined our 2018-19 season.
And you are smart enough to know it's not about having a team of 13 studs OR a team of 13 players that gets along great. Ideally, you have studs who are great at playing together, and who are augmented by good role players who also are great teammates. Why is your instinct usually to go to an extreme or a hypothetical situation or both?
But sure, you need talent to win. Nobody is denying that.
I happen to mostly agree with you, as I lean toward "selective over-recruiting is OK if necessary." That leaves a lot of wiggle room for definitions, yes, but I think you know what I mean. If a player who is definitely better than one of our role players/subs was available, I would have no problem signing him and then, if Mane suddenly said, "Marquette here I come," I would make the difficult decision to cut somebody. It would suck for that kid, but it has been part of the game for a long time. Even at Marquette.
guru, I would like to see your response to Rico's post:
Why do you almost always side with the power brokers -- the NCAA, the universities, the big-money coaches? Why do you think it's OK for the very people who make it possible for you to enjoy your favorite college basketball team to always get the short end of the stick?
I mean, we all agree that you have to have talent to win. You have said it 1,000 times, and you're not wrong. But when that talent wants to be treated like an extremely important part of the equation, you say: "Tough. You will work 50-60-70 hours a week or more, you will get a scholarship and nothing else, you can't profit off your own likeness, and you will sit out a year if you transfer even though scholarship lacrosse players, wrestlers, volleyball players, etc, don't have to. You'll play by my rules, and if you don't like it go pound sand."
That doesn't seem consistent or logical for one who supposedly values talent as much as you claim to. Or do you only value talent in so far as that talent can serve your entertainment needs?
Here's why...because I appreciate athletes that play for the name on the front of their jerseys, not the back. That play for the love of the game and the school. Yes, I like pro sports and follow them, but there isn't a pro athletes that DOESN'T play for the $$. They all do, regardless of what they say.
I'm a big believer in actions having consequences...you build character and shape the person you become later in life by the adversity you face. You make decisions in life, sometimes they are good and sometimes they are bad. You learn more from the bad one's then you do the good one's. There is ZERO harm being done in making a kid sit out a year when he transfers. None whatsoever. In fact, It goes back to what i said..it should make you think long and hard about whether or not you REALLY want to transfer. Is it worth it to leave your teammates, Coaches etc that you formed a bond with just because you don't play enough?? Really?? You know what?? Work harder and get better. Not saying they don't work hard now, they do, but I have news for these kids...you may have been a star in HS, but it doesn't work that way once you get to college for a vast majority of them. There's people better than you, at everything you do. That's life, you accept it and learn from it. Don't run away from it...that's taking the easy way out. You're just going to pick up your ball and go home??
Which leads me to my next point..the younger generation today is filled with the I I I I mentality, it's all about me..no one else matters. Everyone wants to just be "given" things rather then taking them, and earning them. The school recruited you because they believed in you, they gave you a free education, free room and board and experiences that most "normal" college students don't get to experience, so now things aren't going your way, so you just...leave?? And expect to be able to do it without consequences??
How's that going to work for you in the real world?? If you don't like your job are you just going to quit?? There's something to be said for dedication and devotion and COMMITMENT.
When I was growing up and started playing sports, I was fortunate enough to never have had this problem, but my dad always told me...IF there ever comes a time where you aren't a starter, I don't want to hear a single complaint about it. If you're not starting it's because you didn't earn it, work harder, get better and MAKE then start you, but you don't just give up if you're not getting what you want.
He also made it 100% clear that if i ever got to play sports at the college level(I didn't), and committed to a school, he damn well better not hear a single word from me about transferring. That simply wasn't going to fly with him. But you know what?? I can honestly say that even though i was a starter in every sport I played in HS...all I cared about was winning. If someone played ahead of me, so be it. If it was best for the team and we won, that's all I would have cared about. Winning, winning and more winning. It's not about that anymore, it's all about "ME" now.
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Here's why...because I appreciate athletes that play for the name on the front of their jerseys, not the back. That play for the love of the game and the school. Yes, I like pro sports and follow them, but there isn't a pro athletes that DOESN'T play for the $$. They all do, regardless of what they say.
I'm a big believer in actions having consequences...you build character and shape the person you become later in life by the adversity you face. You make decisions in life, sometimes they are good and sometimes they are bad. You learn more from the bad one's then you do the good one's. There is ZERO harm being done in making a kid sit out a year when he transfers. None whatsoever. In fact, It goes back to what i said..it should make you think long and hard about whether or not you REALLY want to transfer. Is it worth it to leave your teammates, Coaches etc that you formed a bond with just because you don't play enough?? Really?? You know what?? Work harder and get better. Not saying they don't work hard now, they do, but I have news for these kids...you may have been a star in HS, but it doesn't work that way once you get to college for a vast majority of them. There's people better than you, at everything you do. That's life, you accept it and learn from it. Don't run away from it...that's taking the easy way out. You're just going to pick up your ball and go home??
Which leads me to my next point..the younger generation today is filled with the I I I I mentality, it's all about me..no one else matters. Everyone wants to just be "given" things rather then taking them, and earning them. The school recruited you because they believed in you, they gave you a free education, free room and board and experiences that most "normal" college students don't get to experience, so now things aren't going your way, so you just...leave?? And expect to be able to do it without consequences??
How's that going to work for you in the real world?? If you don't like your job are you just going to quit?? There's something to be said for dedication and devotion and COMMITMENT.
When I was growing up and started playing sports, I was fortunate enough to never have had this problem, but my dad always told me...IF there ever comes a time where you aren't a starter, I don't want to hear a single complaint about it. If you're not starting it's because you didn't earn it, work harder, get better and MAKE then start you, but you don't just give up if you're not getting what you want.
He also made it 100% clear that if i ever got to play sports at the college level(I didn't), and committed to a school, he damn well better not hear a single word from me about transferring. That simply wasn't going to fly with him. But you know what?? I can honestly say that even though i was a starter in every sport I played in HS...all I cared about was winning. If someone played ahead of me, so be it. If it was best for the team and we won, that's all I would have cared about. Winning, winning and more winning. It's not about that anymore, it's all about "ME" now.
If you care about kids that play for the name on the front of jersey and not the back, then you shouldn’t have a problem who wears that jersey and cheer which ever kid wears it, regardless of talent level
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If you care about kids that play for the name on the front of jersey and not the back, then you shouldn’t have a problem who wears that jersey and cheer which ever kid wears it, regardless of talent level
I do, whoever plays for MU I cheer for and root for, but bottom line is, it's still about winning. I want Marquette to win as much as they possibly can while playing within the rules. Talent wins games, the more of it you have, the better your chances are of winning. Look at Texas Tech for example who is currently 2-3 over the scholarship limit. That means someone will undoubtedly get run off. Does Beard care?? Nope. Why?? because he has to do what's best for the program and the on the floor results. That is what you are judged by...right or wrong. You know what?? He is bringing in more talented players than some of the one's currently on his roster, and because of that they will win more games. He knows that.
If they win a National Championship this next season because he upgraded his roster, did he do the right thing?? No one could say he didn't.
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I do, whoever plays for MU I cheer for and root for, but bottom line is, it's still about winning. I want Marquette to win as much as they possibly can while playing within the rules. Talent wins games, the more of it you have, the better your chances are of winning. Look at Texas Tech for example who is currently 2-3 over the scholarship limit. That means someone will undoubtedly get run off. Does Beard care?? Nope. Why?? because he has to do what's best for the program and the on the floor results. That is what you are judged by...right or wrong. You know what?? He is bringing in more talented players than some of the one's currently on his roster, and because of that they will win more games. He knows that.
If they win a National Championship this next season because he upgraded his roster, did he do the right thing?? No one could say he didn't.
Then why should kids play for the name on the front of the jersey knowing they could be replaced?
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I do, whoever plays for MU I cheer for and root for, but bottom line is, it's still about winning. I want Marquette to win as much as they possibly can while playing within the rules. Talent wins games, the more of it you have, the better your chances are of winning. Look at Texas Tech for example who is currently 2-3 over the scholarship limit. That means someone will undoubtedly get run off. Does Beard care?? Nope. Why?? because he has to do what's best for the program and the on the floor results. That is what you are judged by...right or wrong. You know what?? He is bringing in more talented players than some of the one's currently on his roster, and because of that they will win more games. He knows that.
If they win a National Championship this next season because he upgraded his roster, did he do the right thing?? No one could say he didn't.
"No one could say he didn't "? I don't think speaking in absolutes is wise. I think the kids and their families of the ones who get run off might. Maybe even thier high school and AAU coaches also. Might even see a tough article about the championship coach.
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He was down to DP, SJ, and LMU. Was hoping Stan could land him.
St. John's pulled out because Figurora is coming back and they didn't have a scholarship. That's a bigger get for SJU and the BE.
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Then why should kids play for the name on the front of the jersey knowing they could be replaced?
Have you ever done any volunteer work in your lifetime?? Sometimes you do things out of the goodness of your heart because you take a lot of pride in it, it makes you feel good, and you know you did something for others and not yourself. Whatever you do no matter who you are, you should do it first and foremost because it makes you happy and you take a lot of pride in what you do and how it affects others lives. If it's a job, sure you get paid and get benefits etc(as do kids who get scholarships etc), but you can be replaced tomorrow at your job without a moments notice. That's this thing called...life. Even if you are getting paid to do what you do, never knowing when it could be your last day, it should be more about what you accomplished that day and the product you made or whatever helped someone else in someway and you contributed to that. If you can't take pride in that and do it for the "team", that's what's wrong now days, everyone is about themselves, not the "team".
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Have you ever done any volunteer work in your lifetime?? Sometimes you do things out of the goodness of your heart because you take a lot of pride in it, it makes you feel good, and you know you did something for others and not yourself. Whatever you do no matter who you are, you should do it first and foremost because it makes you happy and you take a lot of pride in what you do and how it affects others lives. If it's a job, sure you get paid and get benefits etc(as do kids who get scholarships etc), but you can be replaced tomorrow at your job without a moments notice. That's this thing called...life. Even if you are getting paid to do what you do, never knowing when it could be your last day, it should be more about what you accomplished that day and the product you made or whatever helped someone else in someway and you contributed to that. If you can't take pride in that and do it for the "team", that's what's wrong now days, everyone is about themselves, not the "team".
A college athlete should play a sport for an university out of the goodness of their heart.
Mooooooooooo
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A college athlete should play a sport for an university out of the goodness of their heart.
Mooooooooooo
For the love of the game
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For the love of the game
Oh. Well, you should be able to go to work wearing a mask for the love of your job. You never know when you could lose it
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For the love of the game
Lol. I’m sure you have the same attitude as an employee right?
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Oh. Well, you should be able to go to work wearing a mask for the love of your job. You never know when you could lose it
I do wear a mask at work, I'm required to
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Lol. I’m sure you have the same attitude as an employee right?
I mean if you don't love the game, why are you playing it?? You're almost certainly not going to make it a career.
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I do wear a mask at work, I'm required to
Why not leave? You could be fired either way? Some people like freedom
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I mean if you don't love the game, why are you playing it?? You're almost certainly not going to make it a career.
Just because you love something, doesn't mean you should have to do it for free.
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Just because you love something, doesn't mean you should have to do it for free.
Of course not....but why does EVERYTHING someone does have to have a price tag attached to it?? I asked Rico the question before and the analogy is spot on. Why do volunteers do Volunteer work?? Because they love what they do, love doing things for others, and make it not about themselves. You hear people say it all the time when they volunteer for something how they get more out of that then anything they have ever done, and they don't collect a nickel for it.
We see the MU basketball team doing all the things they do in the community, reading to kids, visiting kids at hospitals etc. Absolutely wonderful gestures and I bet to a player they would tell you those things are invaluable to them. After you do things like that, you realize that you don't have it so bad after all, and there a lot less fortunate people in the world then being a college athlete, having a free education, room and board etc.
They have freedom...freedom to transfer to any University they choose at any time. Freedom to leave school and play overseas or go to the G league or whatever they want to do at anytime. No one is stopping them.
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Here's why...because I appreciate athletes that play for the name on the front of their jerseys, not the back. That play for the love of the game and the school. Yes, I like pro sports and follow them, but there isn't a pro athletes that DOESN'T play for the $$. They all do, regardless of what they say.
Do coaches love the game? Do they love the school? Why do they insist on getting paid more than the equivalent of a scholarship? If they loved the game and the school, they would coach for free.
I'm a big believer in actions having consequences...you build character and shape the person you become later in life by the adversity you face. You make decisions in life, sometimes they are good and sometimes they are bad. You learn more from the bad one's then you do the good one's. There is ZERO harm being done in making a kid sit out a year when he transfers. None whatsoever. In fact, It goes back to what i said..it should make you think long and hard about whether or not you REALLY want to transfer. Is it worth it to leave your teammates, Coaches etc that you formed a bond with just because you don't play enough?? Really?? You know what?? Work harder and get better. Not saying they don't work hard now, they do, but I have news for these kids...you may have been a star in HS, but it doesn't work that way once you get to college for a vast majority of them. There's people better than you, at everything you do. That's life, you accept it and learn from it. Don't run away from it...that's taking the easy way out. You're just going to pick up your ball and go home??
You say over and over again that there is ZERO harm making a kid sit out a year. That's easy for you to say because you aren't affected. You are very good at playing god with people's lives, guru, telling them what's harmful to them and what isn't. I say there is ZERO harm in letting a kid play right away. I say there would be ZERO harm making a coach sit out a year if he changes schools. And why should a basketball player have to sit out when a wrestler doesn't? Iowa draws 10,000 people to wrestling matches - it's a major sport there, and the athletes are on full rides. Same with lacrosse at many Eastern schools. Yet they don't have to sit out a year if they transfer. Why aren't they subject to ZERO harm? You know that a huge percentage of athletes who transfer are doing so because they want to move down a level. Why should they have to sit out? Who would they be harming by playing right away? Is it OK for you to better your life? Did you sit out a year every time you changed jobs?
Which leads me to my next point..the younger generation today is filled with the I I I I mentality, it's all about me..no one else matters. Everyone wants to just be "given" things rather then taking them, and earning them. The school recruited you because they believed in you, they gave you a free education, free room and board and experiences that most "normal" college students don't get to experience, so now things aren't going your way, so you just...leave?? And expect to be able to do it without consequences??
Ah ... now we're getting somewhere. You have an ax to grind against young people. Sorry to tell you this, my friend, but people of all ages are in it for themselves. I mean, in this post - and in many others on this subject - you have made it about yourself. YOU don't see why a transfer should get to play right away. YOU don't think there's any harm. YOU don't want things to change. YOU like to live in the past. That's an awful lot of guru guru guru guru mentality - no one else matters. So typical of your generation. You just want to be given entertainment by athletes who work 50-60-70 hours a week or more.
How's that going to work for you in the real world?? If you don't like your job are you just going to quit?? There's something to be said for dedication and devotion and COMMITMENT.
Yeah, don't you hate it when a coach quits on his team 10 seconds after telling them they have to be loyal to him? Shouldn't he face "consequences"?
When I was growing up and started playing sports, I was fortunate enough to never have had this problem, but my dad always told me...IF there ever comes a time where you aren't a starter, I don't want to hear a single complaint about it. If you're not starting it's because you didn't earn it, work harder, get better and MAKE then start you, but you don't just give up if you're not getting what you want.
You know a comment is about to be relevant to today when a 70-something starts out by saying, "When I was growing up ... "
He also made it 100% clear that if i ever got to play sports at the college level(I didn't), and committed to a school, he damn well better not hear a single word from me about transferring. That simply wasn't going to fly with him. But you know what?? I can honestly say that even though i was a starter in every sport I played in HS...all I cared about was winning. If someone played ahead of me, so be it. If it was best for the team and we won, that's all I would have cared about. Winning, winning and more winning. It's not about that anymore, it's all about "ME" now.
It's a shame you have such a low opinion of the athletes who bust their arses to entertain you. You sound like a person in the late innings of life who is sick of "these kids today," and who is afraid of change because "the old days" were always so much better.
Pretty much every argument you give in support of why an athlete in 5 sports should be denied the same rights as athletes in every other sport and the student body as a whole is based on your feelings about how it harms YOU.
Your right to cheer on a winning team. Your right to be entertained by athletes. Your right to have things be the same now as they forever have been.
You are a dinosaur, and the Mesozoic Era of college sports is about to end. You can hate it all you want, but within 2 years athletes will be able to profit off their likenesses and they will be able to transfer without having to sit out a year. And I am happy for them. They work their arses off for those rights.
And just like when blacks finally being allowed to play didn't ruin college sports, and just like when women getting athletic scholarships didn't ruin athletic departments, and just like when freshmen playing didn't ruin college sports, and just like when the 3-point line and shot clock didn't ruin basketball, and just like when the football playoff didn't ruin the regular season, you will have proven to be wrong about this personal affront to your rights as a fan.
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McClung initial list:
Florida, Auburn, Texas A&M, Arkansas, USC, BYU, Wake Forest, Tennessee, Gonzaga, Utah, Arizona State, Virginia Tech, Oklahoma State and Georgia,
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UNLV Jonah Antonio commits to Wake Forest
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Here's why...because I appreciate athletes that play for the name on the front of their jerseys, not the back. That play for the love of the game and the school. Yes, I like pro sports and follow them, but there isn't a pro athletes that DOESN'T play for the $$. They all do, regardless of what they say.
Do coaches love the game? Do they love the school? Why do they insist on getting paid more than the equivalent of a scholarship? If they loved the game and the school, they would coach for free.
I'm a big believer in actions having consequences...you build character and shape the person you become later in life by the adversity you face. You make decisions in life, sometimes they are good and sometimes they are bad. You learn more from the bad one's then you do the good one's. There is ZERO harm being done in making a kid sit out a year when he transfers. None whatsoever. In fact, It goes back to what i said..it should make you think long and hard about whether or not you REALLY want to transfer. Is it worth it to leave your teammates, Coaches etc that you formed a bond with just because you don't play enough?? Really?? You know what?? Work harder and get better. Not saying they don't work hard now, they do, but I have news for these kids...you may have been a star in HS, but it doesn't work that way once you get to college for a vast majority of them. There's people better than you, at everything you do. That's life, you accept it and learn from it. Don't run away from it...that's taking the easy way out. You're just going to pick up your ball and go home??
You say over and over again that there is ZERO harm making a kid sit out a year. That's easy for you to say because you aren't affected. You are very good at playing god with people's lives, guru, telling them what's harmful to them and what isn't. I say there is ZERO harm in letting a kid play right away. I say there would be ZERO harm making a coach sit out a year if he changes schools. And why should a basketball player have to sit out when a wrestler doesn't? Iowa draws 10,000 people to wrestling matches - it's a major sport there, and the athletes are on full rides. Same with lacrosse at many Eastern schools. Yet they don't have to sit out a year if they transfer. Why aren't they subject to ZERO harm? You know that a huge percentage of athletes who transfer are doing so because they want to move down a level. Why should they have to sit out? Who would they be harming by playing right away? Is it OK for you to better your life? Did you sit out a year every time you changed jobs?
Which leads me to my next point..the younger generation today is filled with the I I I I mentality, it's all about me..no one else matters. Everyone wants to just be "given" things rather then taking them, and earning them. The school recruited you because they believed in you, they gave you a free education, free room and board and experiences that most "normal" college students don't get to experience, so now things aren't going your way, so you just...leave?? And expect to be able to do it without consequences??
Ah ... now we're getting somewhere. You have an ax to grind against young people. Sorry to tell you this, my friend, but people of all ages are in it for themselves. I mean, in this post - and in many others on this subject - you have made it about yourself. YOU don't see why a transfer should get to play right away. YOU don't think there's any harm. YOU don't want things to change. YOU like to live in the past. That's an awful lot of guru guru guru guru mentality - no one else matters. So typical of your generation. You just want to be given entertainment by athletes who work 50-60-70 hours a week or more.
How's that going to work for you in the real world?? If you don't like your job are you just going to quit?? There's something to be said for dedication and devotion and COMMITMENT.
Yeah, don't you hate it when a coach quits on his team 10 seconds after telling them they have to be loyal to him? Shouldn't he face "consequences"?
When I was growing up and started playing sports, I was fortunate enough to never have had this problem, but my dad always told me...IF there ever comes a time where you aren't a starter, I don't want to hear a single complaint about it. If you're not starting it's because you didn't earn it, work harder, get better and MAKE then start you, but you don't just give up if you're not getting what you want.
You know a comment is about to be relevant to today when a 70-something starts out by saying, "When I was growing up ... "
He also made it 100% clear that if i ever got to play sports at the college level(I didn't), and committed to a school, he damn well better not hear a single word from me about transferring. That simply wasn't going to fly with him. But you know what?? I can honestly say that even though i was a starter in every sport I played in HS...all I cared about was winning. If someone played ahead of me, so be it. If it was best for the team and we won, that's all I would have cared about. Winning, winning and more winning. It's not about that anymore, it's all about "ME" now.
It's a shame you have such a low opinion of the athletes who bust their arses to entertain you. You sound like a person in the late innings of life who is sick of "these kids today," and who is afraid of change because "the old days" were always so much better.
Pretty much every argument you give in support of why an athlete in 5 sports should be denied the same rights as athletes in every other sport and the student body as a whole is based on your feelings about how it harms YOU.
Your right to cheer on a winning team. Your right to be entertained by athletes. Your right to have things be the same now as they forever have been.
You are a dinosaur, and the Mesozoic Era of college sports is about to end. You can hate it all you want, but within 2 years athletes will be able to profit off their likenesses and they will be able to transfer without having to sit out a year. And I am happy for them. They work their arses off for those rights.
And just like when blacks finally being allowed to play didn't ruin college sports, and just like when women getting athletic scholarships didn't ruin athletic departments, and just like when freshmen playing didn't ruin college sports, and just like when the 3-point line and shot clock didn't ruin basketball, and just like when the football playoff didn't ruin the regular season, you will have proven to be wrong about this personal affront to your rights as a fan.
The whole goddamn thing. Way to take it strong, Mike.
(https://i.giphy.com/media/15BuyagtKucHm/giphy.webp)
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https://twitter.com/NEblessed_20/status/1260971079830515713
That didn't take long.
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Guru: I don't like the I I I I of the younger generation.
Also Guru: I'm not wearing a mask.
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https://twitter.com/NEblessed_20/status/1260971079830515713
That didn't take long.
What's wrong with Matt Painter? Why do many of his best players leave?
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No one wonders why kids commit to DePaul, for the dumpster fire that program is, they have had a pretty good offseason as far as landing transfers goes...no kid goes there with the hope of playing in the NCAA tournament, that's for sure...Marc H$u for the win.
I’m sure that they are selling how well the Charlie Moore transfer worked out for all involved.
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I do, whoever plays for MU I cheer for and root for, but bottom line is, it's still about winning. I want Marquette to win as much as they possibly can while playing within the rules. Talent wins games, the more of it you have, the better your chances are of winning. Look at Texas Tech for example who is currently 2-3 over the scholarship limit. That means someone will undoubtedly get run off. Does Beard care?? Nope. Why?? because he has to do what's best for the program and the on the floor results. That is what you are judged by...right or wrong. You know what?? He is bringing in more talented players than some of the one's currently on his roster, and because of that they will win more games. He knows that.
If they win a National Championship this next season because he upgraded his roster, did he do the right thing?? No one could say he didn't.
What if he’s upgrading the talent by bringing in guys who play for the name on the back of the jersey instead of the name on the front?
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https://twitter.com/NEblessed_20/status/1260971079830515713
That didn't take long.
If he isn't eligible right away....not sure what Michigan is doing
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Get a life MU82
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Get a life MU82
Despite the incredibly tiny size of your brain, it must be very crowded in your cranium what with the space I occupy in there.
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Get a life MU82
"I read your entire response and then decided to respond 'get a life' unironically"
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The Big 10 has to lead the country in intraconference transfers. Coaches must get real nervous during the handshake line after a game
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The Big 10 has to lead the country in intraconference transfers. Coaches must get real nervous during the handshake line after a game
I actually wish the BE would allow intra conference transfers...I mean, why not??
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I actually wish the BE would allow intra conference transfers...I mean, why not??
Agreed.
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TN Titan Vol
@TNTitanVol
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May 13
Mac McClung is transferring from Georgetown. His sister Anna played soccer for the Vols. Also his hometown of Gate City, VA is only 1.5 hrs from Knoxville. Also have heard his grandparents of Vol football season ticket holders.
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What's wrong with Matt Painter? Why do many of his best players leave?
I get your sentiment but Nojel ain’t a best player.
That’s has Nojel Eastern’s mom written all over it. It was very public knowledge that she absolutely loved Michigan when he was doing his college visits.
God she’s still nuts.
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I get your sentiment but Nojel ain’t a best player.
That’s has Nojel Eastern’s mom written all over it. It was very public knowledge that she absolutely loved Michigan when he was doing his college visits.
God she’s still nuts.
I was just havin' some fun.
As for Nojel ... for a guy who wasn't good offensively, he sure had a lot of schools interested in him.
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I was just havin' some fun.
As for Nojel ... for a guy who wasn't good offensively, he sure had a lot of schools interested in him.
He was bad last year. Chitown has been spot on with this kid. Hope Howard gets the most out of him. He’s in good hands with Howard and Martelli.
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Despite the incredibly tiny size of your brain, it must be very crowded in your cranium what with the space I occupy in there.
Lol
A journalist commenting on brain capacity
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Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
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2m
Utah sophomore guard Both Gach, who declared for the NBA Draft, told me he will transfer if he removes his name. Sophomore guard averaged 10.7 points this past season.
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Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
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2m
Utah sophomore guard Both Gach, who declared for the NBA Draft, told me he will transfer if he removes his name. Sophomore guard averaged 10.7 points this past season.
Jayce seemed to love his time at MU. I wouldn’t hate having him if the option is him or an empty scholarship.
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Jayce seemed to love his time at MU. I wouldn’t hate having him if the option is him or an empty scholarship.
He would be a very good get, and it helps he's from Minnesota and yes that Jayce can tell him all about the MU experience
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A journalist commenting on brain capacity
Thanks for the compliment.
Have a nice evening.
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I actually wish the BE would allow intra conference transfers...I mean, why not??
We agree, guru!
And, of course, they should be immediately eligible! 😎
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We agree, guru!
And, of course, they should be immediately eligible! 😎
If they are transferring to MU...then yes, I agree. :D
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Hope posting about basketball is okay on this politics board.
I realize that we only have one scholarship left so I don't know if we'd get involved but...
https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/1253033640306577414?lang=en
Sit one, play 3. 17 points and 7 boards per game as a Freshman is impressive. Got some size too, 6-5 210. 43% from 3 on only 1 attempt per game so may be deceiving. I'm hoping that the 114 DRtg is also deceiving with how god awful Holy Cross was last year.
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Hope posting about basketball is okay on this politics board.
I realize that we only have one scholarship left so I don't know if we'd get involved but...
https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/1253033640306577414?lang=en
Sit one, play 3. 17 points and 7 boards per game as a Freshman is impressive. Got some size too, 6-5 210. 43% from 3 on only 1 attempt per game so may be deceiving. I'm hoping that the 114 DRtg is also deceiving with how god awful Holy Cross was last year.
He just committed today to UNCW
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He just committed today to UNCW
Well never mind then. Thanks.
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Hope posting about basketball is okay on this politics board
Funny, DJO - made me look to check which page I was on.
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Jon Rothstein
@JonRothstein
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5m
Air Force transfer A.J. Walker tells me he has cut his list to the following programs:
Texas Tech
TCU
Tulsa
Air Force
:o
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Jon Rothstein
@JonRothstein
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5m
Air Force transfer A.J. Walker tells me he has cut his list to the following programs:
Texas Tech
TCU
Tulsa
Air Force
:o
Maybe TTU is going to have B team this year?
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https://twitter.com/TheRebuildingYr/status/1262477221270298625
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https://twitter.com/TheRebuildingYr/status/1262477221270298625
I like how some of the comments after that tweet are crapping on Nojel Eastern, as if he's total garbage.
I mean, he started 35 games and played 28 mpg for a Purdue team that went to the Elite 8 before losing in double-OT to the eventual champs.
Most great teams have 1-2 role players just like him -- if they are lucky.
Now, if he wants to be the focal point of a team's offense, he isn't that. But to suggest that he can't succeed as a P6 player ... that's just dopey.
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Haven't followed much last week or so. Any update on Jalen Carey? MU mentioned with any newer portal entrants?
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Haven't followed much last week or so. Any update on Jalen Carey? MU mentioned with any newer portal entrants?
No and no...think MU's gonna sit on this last scholarship unless someone major would suddenly enter the portal
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No and no...think MU's gonna sit on this last scholarship unless someone major would suddenly enter the portal
Thanks guru.
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Thanks guru.
Here's what's left BTW JJJJ
Jeff Borzello
@jeffborzello
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10m
Top available transfers:
Mac McClung
Chaundee Brown
Bo Hodges
Cam Mack
Both Gach
Jamal Bienemy
Elijah Weaver
Nike Sibande
Jalen Carey
Alonzo Gaffney
Andrew Garcia (grad)
Jalen Coleman-Lands (grad)
Makale Foreman (grad)
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https://twitter.com/AndrewKahn/status/1262758228531658754
Another interesting development. If you had to take one would you choose Nojel's mom or Maymon's dad?
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https://twitter.com/AndrewKahn/status/1262758228531658754
Another interesting development. If you had to take one would you choose Nojel's mom or Maymon's dad?
I wonder if Michigan doesn't "announce" additions to the team until all their transfer credits are figured out. I could see Michigan being a difficult place to transfer into.
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I could see Michigan being a difficult place to transfer into.
Possibly but I doubt that is the case for basketball and football players. Its not like its UW-Madison
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I wonder if Michigan doesn't "announce" additions to the team until all their transfer credits are figured out. I could see Michigan being a difficult place to transfer into.
Because there is a rush??
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Possibly but I doubt that is the case for basketball and football players. Its not like its UW-Madison
To be clear, I'm not suggesting that Michigan has Madisonesqe academic standards for basketball players. But many universities have weird and sometimes arbitrary standards for which credits transfer and which ones don't. It won't keep a transfer out, but there may need to be some administrative massaging done that takes time. For example, grad transfer Mike Smith announced he had committed to Michigan weeks before Michigan acknowledged it.
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To be clear, I'm not suggesting that Michigan has Madisonesqe academic standards for basketball players. But many universities have weird and sometimes arbitrary standards for which credits transfer and which ones don't. It won't keep a transfer out, but there may need to be some administrative massaging done that takes time. For example, grad transfer Mike Smith announced he had committed to Michigan weeks before Michigan acknowledged it.
Makes sense.
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Since officially landing in the portal, Gach, a 6-foot-6 wing out of Austin, Minn., has heard from Minnesota, Arkansas, Nevada, BYU, Utah State, Auburn, Maryland, Vanderbilt, Creighton, Illinois, Georgetown, Oregon, New Mexico, DePaul, Gonzaga, USC and Texas Tech, a source tells 247Sports.
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On Texas Tech, they already completed their Beard trimming. Rising sophomores Andrei Savrasov and Russel Tchewa transferred and former walk on Avery Benson had his scholarship pulled. With their current commits they are only 1 over the scholarship limit, and most expect Jahmius Ramsey to keep his name in the draft which would take care of that.
There are rumors that FR Terrance Shannon is considering a transfer. I'd imagine that these new transfers Tech is on is to cover the possibility of Ramsey going pro and Shannon transferring. If that happens, and they land a new transfer, then 9/13 of their scholarship players will have never played a minute of basketball for Tech heading into the new season.
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On Texas Tech, they already completed their Beard trimming. Rising sophomores Andrei Savrasov and Russel Tchewa transferred and former walk on Avery Benson had his scholarship pulled. With their current commits they are only 1 over the scholarship limit, and most expect Jahmius Ramsey to keep his name in the draft which would take care of that.
There are rumors that FR Terrance Shannon is considering a transfer. I'd imagine that these new transfers Tech is on is to cover the possibility of Ramsey going pro and Shannon transferring. If that happens, and they land a new transfer, then 9/13 of their scholarship players will have never played a minute of basketball for Tech heading into the new season.
Former Depaul commit Terence Shannon?
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Former Depaul commit Terence Shannon?
Yes, and he's right there have been rumors of him transferring. Of course DePaul fans(both of them), think he's an auto lock to commit there if he does transfer.
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Yes, and he's right there have been rumors of him transferring. Of course DePaul fans(both of them), think he's an auto lock to commit there if he does transfer.
Both? I think that's pretty optimistic.
But honestly if he were to return I think we could see a sneaky good but not great Depaul team the next two years.
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As expected, no one time transfer for this year..
Brett McMurphy
@Brett_McMurphy
One-time transfer waivers are dead until at least 2021-22 academic year, sources told @Stadium
, as NCAA Division I Council approved a resolution to develop legislation regarding transfer eligibility for January 2021 that would not be effective until 2021-22 academic year
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Source: Georgetown transfer Mac McClung has cut his list to the following programs.
Texas Tech ;D
BYU
Auburn
Memphis
USC
Arkansas
Wake Forest
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As expected, no one time transfer for this year..
Brett McMurphy
@Brett_McMurphy
One-time transfer waivers are dead until at least 2021-22 academic year, sources told @Stadium
, as NCAA Division I Council approved a resolution to develop legislation regarding transfer eligibility for January 2021 that would not be effective until 2021-22 academic year
So now we wait for the totally random musings of some NCAA committee.
Let the coin-flipping and rock-paper-scissors games begin.
Hopefully, D.J.'s lucky square gets called and he can play next season.
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Source: Georgetown transfer Mac McClung has cut his list to the following programs.
Texas Tech ;D
BYU
Auburn
Memphis
USC
Arkansas
Wake Forest
BYU and WF really seem odd on this list, though he was at a private school at G-Town.
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BYU and WF really seem odd on this list, though he was at a private school at G-Town.
Actually his home town Gate City Virginia is only 3 hours from Winston-Salem. Plus, they NEED players, he could go there and be "the man" have carte blanche.
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Actually his home town Gate City Virginia is only 3 hours from Winston-Salem. Plus, they NEED players, he could go there and be "the man" have carte blanche.
Possible, though he wants to get to the NBA by playing PG. Not sure that a rebuilding situation is where he would want to achieve his ends.
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Source: Georgetown transfer Mac McClung has cut his list to the following programs.
Texas Tech ;D
BYU
Auburn
Memphis
USC
Arkansas
Wake Forest
Seems like a lateral move which ever one he goes with. Best of luck to him because a Georgetown degree would be better than any of those schools.
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Seems like a lateral move which ever one he goes with. Best of luck to him because a Georgetown degree would be better than any of those schools.
USC ranks ahead of G-town in US News and Wake is just three spots behind them.
But he's not worried about a degree, he's worried about a career.
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Nm
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So now we wait for the totally random musings of some NCAA committee.
Let the coin-flipping and rock-paper-scissors games begin.
Hopefully, D.J.'s lucky square gets called and he can play next season.
T-Rank projections goes from 62 to 80 without DJ. Would blow
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Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
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2m
Utah transfer Both Gach told me he has cut his list to:
Gonzaga
San Diego State
Texas Tech :P
Texas A&M
DePaul
Xavier
They'll have a new team
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USC ranks ahead of G-town in US News and Wake is just three spots behind them.
But he's not worried about a degree, he's worried about a career.
Good point. I know USC & WF are very good schools. Just seems like Georgetown is as great of place to get a degree and even those two basketball programs are not a step up. The P12 is a 6 to 8 best conference and Wake has been not as good as Georgetown in the past decade.
Like i said, i wish him luck. Seems like a good young man and a tough competitor.
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On Texas Tech, they already completed their Beard trimming.
I was going to start a poll on the best euphemism in DI basketball for pulling a player's scholly.
However, after reviewing the list of coaches' names, I think it's really down to Beard Trimming or Buzz Cutting. Honorable mention to the Kansas player who was Self-Destructed or the Yellow Jacket who was Put Out to Pastner.
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Adam Zagoria
@AdamZagoria
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5m
The one-time transfer waiver in college basketball "will be developed into a legislative concept (not a change to waiver guidelines)" and will be voted on in January 2021, an NCAA spokesman tells me.
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Adam Zagoria
@AdamZagoria
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5m
The one-time transfer waiver in college basketball "will be developed into a legislative concept (not a change to waiver guidelines)" and will be voted on in January 2021, an NCAA spokesman tells me.
January lol
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I was going to start a poll on the best euphemism in DI basketball for pulling a player's scholly.
However, after reviewing the list of coaches' names, I think it's really down to Beard Trimming or Buzz Cutting. Honorable mention to the Kansas player who was Self-Destructed or the Yellow Jacket who was Put Out to Pastner.
Oh, I like Put Out to Pastner
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Oh, I like Put Out to Pastner
Drew the Short Straw can apply to both Baylor and Vanderbilt Grand Canyon.
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Musseled Out at Arkansas
Out-foxed at Cal
Lickety Split at Evansville
Fly Away at FGCU
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Oh, I like Put Out to Pastner
Sent to sew their wild Oats for Bama
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DisGarded at Wisconsin
Huggins and kissin' goodbye at West Virginia
No longer Miller Time at Arizona and Indiana
Weber grilled at Kansas State
I left your scholarship in San Francisco for Virginia
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January lol
that's when the NCAA convention is held and the entire membership will vote in person (hopefully).
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One too Few at Gonzaga.
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Good thing players are no longer getting BOned at UW.
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that's when the NCAA convention is held and the entire membership will vote in person (hopefully).
Right, but by then the basketball season will be well underway.
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Good thing players are no longer getting BOned at UW.
Always liked that one.
So did the massage therapist.
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Right, but by then the basketball season will be well underway.
Yes, and they said it wouldn't take effect until 21-22 anyway. It is dead for this year 20-21.
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Yes, and they said it wouldn't take effect until 21-22 anyway. It is dead for this year 20-21.
ah, gotcha
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https://twitter.com/alex_kirshner/status/1263510615378792451?s=20
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Crean sucks
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Crean sucks
Evergreen
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Justin Smith from Indiana will graduate and transfer, eligible immediately. Grew up in Buffalo Grove. Definitely a guy Marquette should target, averaged 10 pts and 5 rebounds last year. Only is 6’7” so would be ideal guy to replace Bailey should he stay pro and ease Justin Lewis transition to college.
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Based on MU not really popping up on any transfer lists lately, I am hopeful the staff is confident in 3 things:
1) DJ is getting a waiver
2) Bailey is coming back
3) There is only 1 scholarship available, and that is going to difference maker only (Mane/Etienne/or a TBD re-classifying or transfer).
1 being wrong would be a disaster.
2 being wrong would be bad, but way worse if 1 is wrong too.
The only way 3 makes sense based on recent activity is that the staff is confident in 1 and 2.
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Justin Smith from Indiana will graduate and transfer, eligible immediately. Grew up in Buffalo Grove. Definitely a guy Marquette should target, averaged 10 pts and 5 rebounds last year. Only is 6’7” so would be ideal guy to replace Bailey should he stay pro and ease Justin Lewis transition to college.
I'd like if we got involved too. I think we will need the help.
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Justin Smith from Indiana will graduate and transfer, eligible immediately. Grew up in Buffalo Grove. Definitely a guy Marquette should target, averaged 10 pts and 5 rebounds last year. Only is 6’7” so would be ideal guy to replace Bailey should he stay pro and ease Justin Lewis transition to college.
Would be a great get. Not convinced the staff is still in on more transfers, though
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I'd like if we got involved too. I think we will need the help.
I'd be all over Justin Smith.
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Would be a great get. Not convinced the staff is still in on more transfers, though
I think they would be if the right guy came free..this might be one..be perfect cuz he's a grad transfer so he can help this year
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Based on MU not really popping up on any transfer lists lately, I am hopeful the staff is confident in 3 things:
1) DJ is getting a waiver
2) Bailey is coming back
3) There is only 1 scholarship available, and that is going to difference maker only (Mane/Etienne/or a TBD re-classifying or transfer).
Is DJ getting a waiver even a remote possibility? I know everyone (including Hausers) ask but I don't see it happening.
Bailey coming back makes sense.
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Is DJ getting a waiver even a remote possibility? I know everyone (including Hausers) ask but I don't see it happening.
Bailey coming back makes sense.
Dj took half the year off due to mental health reasons. Seems like there's at least sound reasoning to get him eligible in December or January
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Is DJ getting a waiver even a remote possibility? I know everyone (including Hausers) ask but I don't see it happening.
Bailey coming back makes sense.
I am not the NCAA, but generally they've shown willingness to provide waivers when mental health issues are involved.
If DJ doesn't get a waiver, there is a pretty good chance he never plays for Marquette. So we damn well better hope he gets one.
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I'd like if we got involved too. I think we will need the help.
Played with Brunson at Stevenson. Good get.
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Is DJ getting a waiver even a remote possibility? I know everyone (including Hausers) ask but I don't see it happening.
Bailey coming back makes sense.
I think the staff is pretty confident that he gets a waiver
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I am not the NCAA, but generally they've shown willingness to provide waivers when mental health issues are involved.
If DJ doesn't get a waiver, there is a pretty good chance he never plays for Marquette. So we damn well better hope he gets one.
How much of a "given" is this? I've only really seen it mentioned here, if he were a lottery pick or even a projected first rounder I could see it, but all I'm seeing with him is late second round to undrafted. It's not like he's BB level old, he's still only 19 (turns 20 in August). He could sit out a year, play a year and still be drafted as a 21 year old, which isn't exactly ancient. If he were dead set on making $$$ ASAP, he probably just would have gone to Europe straight from OSU.
Now I'm sure there's a chance he goes pro if he doesn't get the waiver, but I don't think it's the foregone conclusion that seems to have been implied here.
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If DJ doesn't get a waiver, there is a pretty good chance he never plays for Marquette. So we damn well better hope he gets one.
I've seen you post this many times. Do you have a source on this? Just curious what the origin is, and whether this is a legit concern or unfounded rumor.
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I've seen you post this many times. Do you have a source on this? Just curious what the origin is, and whether this is a legit concern or unfounded rumor.
DJ has said as much.
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DJ has said as much.
I haven't seen it. Do you have a link or at least remember where you heard/read it?
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How much of a "given" is this? I've only really seen it mentioned here, if he were a lottery pick or even a projected first rounder I could see it, but all I'm seeing with him is late second round to undrafted. It's not like he's BB level old, he's still only 19 (turns 20 in August). He could sit out a year, play a year and still be drafted as a 21 year old, which isn't exactly ancient. If he were dead set on making $$$ ASAP, he probably just would have gone to Europe straight from OSU.
Now I'm sure there's a chance he goes pro if he doesn't get the waiver, but I don't think it's the foregone conclusion that seems to have been implied here.
I did see a mock draft awhile ago that had Carton going 19th in the 2021 draft
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I think the staff is pretty confident that he gets a waiver
I hope they are right. Without him and Bailey, I could see a sub .500 season. Just trying to be realistic.
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I haven't seen it. Do you have a link or at least remember where you heard/read it?
Don't have the link handy, but I can try to find it later when I have some time. Guru can probably find it quicker, frankly. Came from an article before he decided on his post-OSU destination. Paraphrasing, but he basically said that he was considering going directly pro, and if he did go college route, he would like pivot back to pro is he was unable to get a waiver to play immediately, and he had minimal interest in sitting a full season after just sitting half of one.
I am sure the staff is well aware of the situation, and perhaps he's changed his stance on that. But the the fact that Wojo has basically stopped pursuing transfers with the chance that as many as 3 spots could still be open makes me think they're confident he's getting a waiver. Maybe wishful thinking.
I also continue to mention it is so everyone doesn't act like its this out of the blue situation if it happens in a few weeks.
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How much of a "given" is this? I've only really seen it mentioned here, if he were a lottery pick or even a projected first rounder I could see it, but all I'm seeing with him is late second round to undrafted. It's not like he's BB level old, he's still only 19 (turns 20 in August). He could sit out a year, play a year and still be drafted as a 21 year old, which isn't exactly ancient. If he were dead set on making $$$ ASAP, he probably just would have gone to Europe straight from OSU.
Now I'm sure there's a chance he goes pro if he doesn't get the waiver, but I don't think it's the foregone conclusion that seems to have been implied here.
I never said it was a foregone conclusion, I said there is a pretty good chance he never plays for Marquette if he doesn't get a waiver. Call it maybe 75 pro / 25 sits a year if the waiver is denied?
DJ may enter his name in the nba draft, but I always took the going pro route as playing overseas, at least initially.
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Don't have the link handy, but I can try to find it later when I have some time. Guru can probably find it quicker, frankly. Came from an article before he decided on his post-OSU destination. Paraphrasing, but he basically said that he was considering going directly pro, and if he did go college route, he would like pivot back to pro is he was unable to get a waiver to play immediately, and he had minimal interest in sitting a full season after just sitting half of one.
I am sure the staff is well aware of the situation, and perhaps he's changed his stance on that. But the the fact that Wojo has basically stopped pursuing transfers with the chance that as many as 3 spots could still be open makes me think they're confident he's getting a waiver. Maybe wishful thinking.
I also continue to mention it is so everyone doesn't act like its this out of the blue situation if it happens in a few weeks.
I didn't see that article you're speaking of, but he did do a Q&A on instagram shortly after he committed to MU and if I remember right, someone asked him if he would play this year and he said something to the effect of "I'm not missing a full year of basketball". It was something to that effect. Read into that what you will.
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I've seen you post this many times. Do you have a source on this? Just curious what the origin is, and whether this is a legit concern or unfounded rumor.
Not finding the article that contained the quote from DJ at first glance, but I can look harder later. I know it was posted here somewhere, but lots of posts to sort through. But here are two articles that its mentioned, including in Ben Steele's JS article when he announced he's going to Marquette.
https://www.si.com/college/ohiostate/basketball/examining-ohio-states-hoops-transfers-case-by-case (https://www.si.com/college/ohiostate/basketball/examining-ohio-states-hoops-transfers-case-by-case)
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2020/04/15/touted-guard-d-j-carton-announces-his-transfer-marquette-ohio-state/5142532002/ (https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2020/04/15/touted-guard-d-j-carton-announces-his-transfer-marquette-ohio-state/5142532002/)
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Not finding the article that contained the quote from DJ at first glance, but I can look harder later. I know it was posted here somewhere, but lots of posts to sort through. But here are two articles that its mentioned, including in Ben Steele's JS article when he announced he's going to Marquette.
https://www.si.com/college/ohiostate/basketball/examining-ohio-states-hoops-transfers-case-by-case (https://www.si.com/college/ohiostate/basketball/examining-ohio-states-hoops-transfers-case-by-case)
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2020/04/15/touted-guard-d-j-carton-announces-his-transfer-marquette-ohio-state/5142532002/ (https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2020/04/15/touted-guard-d-j-carton-announces-his-transfer-marquette-ohio-state/5142532002/)
That’s Potrykus and he’s accomplished his mission with you. Stirring up fears in MU fans and trying to paint a player as looking out selfishly for only himself.
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That’s Potrykus and he’s accomplished his mission with you. Stirring up fears in MU fans and trying to paint a player as looking out selfishly for only himself.
LOL. Noted it wasn't Steele, forgot that happened on his furloughed time.
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Not finding the article that contained the quote from DJ at first glance, but I can look harder later. I know it was posted here somewhere, but lots of posts to sort through. But here are two articles that its mentioned, including in Ben Steele's JS article when he announced he's going to Marquette.
https://www.si.com/college/ohiostate/basketball/examining-ohio-states-hoops-transfers-case-by-case (https://www.si.com/college/ohiostate/basketball/examining-ohio-states-hoops-transfers-case-by-case)
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2020/04/15/touted-guard-d-j-carton-announces-his-transfer-marquette-ohio-state/5142532002/ (https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2020/04/15/touted-guard-d-j-carton-announces-his-transfer-marquette-ohio-state/5142532002/)
Thanks for the responses, I appreciate it. Hopefully Carton gets his waiver because his talent is sorely needed next year.
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I think J5s interpretation regarding Carton is correct. I think if he can't play for us next season, he'll find someplace he can
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I could see Carton going to play elsewhere, but the deadline to enter the NBA Draft has come and gone. He could probably go pro as a free agent, but not through the Draft process. Please correct me if this is wrong, but I'm confident he would've had to declare by April 26.
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Justin Smith from Indiana will graduate and transfer, eligible immediately. Grew up in Buffalo Grove. Definitely a guy Marquette should target, averaged 10 pts and 5 rebounds last year. Only is 6’7” so would be ideal guy to replace Bailey should he stay pro and ease Justin Lewis transition to college.
Go all in on him
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We did recruit Justin Smith back in high school and he did take an unofficial so there is some familiarity when it comes in a world of no actual visits. Obviously, Fiserv wasn’t built yet so never did see that.
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Go all in on him
+1000 I agree, they need the help now for this year. He's a very good defender
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Go all in on him
He'd be competing with Jamal Cain and three freshmen for playing time, not a bad situation for him or MU.
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He'd be competing with Jamal Cain and three freshmen for playing time, not a bad situation for him or MU.
He's from Buffalo Grove, IL, just over an hour from Milwaukee
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He's from Buffalo Grove, IL, just over an hour from Milwaukee
More like 2 hours with the FIP traffic down there.
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Justin Smith wants to play the 3. He’s not a very good shooter. Unlikely Wojo looks at him.
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Dan McDonald
@RivalsDan
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Hearing from multiple sources Virginia Tech junior forward PJ Horne is in the transfer portal, and also hearing he'll be a grad transfer with immediate eligibility. The Georgia native averaged 7.6 points and 4.2 rebounds per game this season for the Hokies.
35% from 3
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Based on MU not really popping up on any transfer lists lately, I am hopeful the staff is confident in 3 things:
1) DJ is getting a waiver
2) Bailey is coming back
3) There is only 1 scholarship available, and that is going to difference maker only (Mane/Etienne/or a TBD re-classifying or transfer).
1 being wrong would be a disaster.
2 being wrong would be bad, but way worse if 1 is wrong too.
The only way 3 makes sense based on recent activity is that the staff is confident in 1 and 2.
Hmmm. Well, 2 is wrong. Agree way worse if 1 is wrong.
If the only way 3 makes sense is if the staff is confident in 1 and 2, then 3 is shaky. Mane seems headed elsewhere, who know about Etienne reclass? Looks like a bridge year.
But let's wait 2-3 years and see how Wojo brings the frosh along. Selfish me, I like to see the team in the dance.
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Based on MU not really popping up on any transfer lists lately, I am hopeful the staff is confident in 3 things:
1) DJ is getting a waiver
2) Bailey is coming back
3) There is only 1 scholarship available, and that is going to difference maker only (Mane/Etienne/or a TBD re-classifying or transfer).
1 being wrong would be a disaster.
2 being wrong would be bad, but way worse if 1 is wrong too.
The only way 3 makes sense based on recent activity is that the staff is confident in 1 and 2.
Aged like fine wine!
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Hey! Texas Tech is now only one over and if Ramsey stays in the draft they will be at the limit. It hasn't stopped them from being heavily involved with Mac McClung and Both Gach however! ;D I am starting to wonder if their continued activity is an indication that Terrance Shannon may in fact end up transferring.
Emiliano Carchia
@Carchia
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Davide Moretti’s college career is over.
The Italian guard will join Olimpia Milano on a multi-year deal.
Moretti has played three seasons with Texas Tech reaching one NCAA Final twitter.com/miskoraznatovi…
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Hey! Texas Tech is now only one over and if Ramsey stays in the draft they will be at the limit. It hasn't stopped them from being heavily involved with Mac McClung and Both Gach however! ;D I am starting to wonder if their continued activity is an indication that Terrance Shannon may in fact end up transferring.
Emiliano Carchia
@Carchia
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Davide Moretti’s college career is over.
The Italian guard will join Olimpia Milano on a multi-year deal.
Moretti has played three seasons with Texas Tech reaching one NCAA Final twitter.com/miskoraznatovi…
Without Moretti they are at their scholarship limit even if Ramsey returns.
Santos-Silva
Burton
Edwards
Ntambwe
Nyiwe
Ramsey
Nadolny
McCullar Jr
Shannon Jr
Smith
Burnett
Peavy
Agbo
If Ramsey does go pro and Shannon transfers, Then only 3 of their scholarship players (Edwards, Nadolny, McCullar Jr) will have a played a minute of basketball for the Red Raiders. They also have a preferred walk on who played significant minutes off the bench last season.
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Without Moretti they are at their scholarship limit even if Ramsey returns.
Santos-Silva
Burton
Edwards
Ntambwe
Nyiwe
Ramsey
Nadolny
McCullar Jr
Shannon Jr
Smith
Burnett
Peavy
Agbo
If Ramsey does go pro and Shannon transfers, Then only 3 of their scholarship players (Edwards, Nadolny, McCullar Jr) will have a played a minute of basketball for the Red Raiders. They also have a preferred walk on who played significant minutes off the bench last season.
You're forgetting Avery Benson, who as of now is still on scholarship.
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You're forgetting Avery Benson, who as of now is still on scholarship.
I'm not, he's the preferred walk on I mentioned in the last paragraph. Scholarship is only there if they have one free. As of now, they don't.
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I'm not, he's the preferred walk on I mentioned in the last paragraph. Scholarship is only there if they have one free. As of now, they don't.
Incorrect TAMU, he IS on scholarship as of now, he was last year as well.
This is from an article on the TTU site about Moretti...https://247sports.com/college/texas-tech/board/102952/Contents/morettis-departure-leaves-a-large-void-147458894/
Should Burton instead pursue and receive a waiver to play next season, this would give Beard a 13-man roster. Benson, however, is a former walkon who earned a scholarship last season. Theoretically, he could be returned to walkon status, which would give Beard a scholarship roster of 12 players.
Of course I will get roundly criticized for this(and that's okay) but this is my absolutely FAVORITE part of the article...and what good/great Coaches should be doing..would have ZERO issues if Wojo or any MU Coach took this approach...Texas Tech’s roster is very fluid given the departure of players, the most recent of which is Moretti, and Beard’s willingness to turn over his roster in pursuit of the best possible talent. Exactly what you're supposed to be doing as a Head Coach.
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Incorrect TAMU, he IS on scholarship as of now, he was last year as well.
This is from an article on the TTU site about Moretti...https://247sports.com/college/texas-tech/board/102952/Contents/morettis-departure-leaves-a-large-void-147458894/
Should Burton instead pursue and receive a waiver to play next season, this would give Beard a 13-man roster. Benson, however, is a former walkon who earned a scholarship last season. Theoretically, he could be returned to walkon status, which would give Beard a scholarship roster of 12 players.
Of course I will get roundly criticized for this(and that's okay) but this is my absolutely FAVORITE part of the article...and what good/great Coaches should be doing..would have ZERO issues if Wojo or any MU Coach took this approach...Texas Tech’s roster is very fluid given the departure of players, the most recent of which is Moretti, and Beard’s willingness to turn over his roster in pursuit of the best possible talent. Exactly what you're supposed to be doing as a Head Coach.
None of this contradicted what I said. I understand he was on scholarship last season.He won't be next season if they need the scholarship for someone else.
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None of this contradicted what I said. I understand he was on scholarship last season.He won't be next season if they need the scholarship for someone else.
Well whatever, as of this moment they are still over. You say they aren't. Technically that's incorrect, as Benson has not as of yet had his scholarship taken away. I don't disagree with you that he likely will get it taken away if they need the room, but that still doesn't account for the fact that they are in hot pursuit of Both Gach and Mac McClung. 8-) Not too mention, they are thought to be leading for Johnathon Kuminga who very well MAY re classify to 2020. Doubtful they land Gach, think they very well might get McClung thogh and have a feeling they land Kuminga for 2020 as well. Still could need 3 more schollies. That's crazy roster turnover
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Well whatever, as of this moment they are still over. You say they aren't. Technically that's incorrect, as Benson has not as of yet had his scholarship taken away. I don't disagree with you that he likely will get it taken away if they need the room, but that still doesn't account for the fact that they are in hot pursuit of Both Gach and Mac McClung. 8-) Not too mention, they are thought to be leading for Johnathon Kuminga who very well MAY re classify to 2020. Doubtful they land Gach, think they very well might get McClung thogh and have a feeling they land Kuminga for 2020 as well. Still could need 3 more schollies. That's crazy roster turnover
Technically, TAMU is absolutely correct. Burton isn't on scholarship yet since their summer term doesn't start until June 2. If Benson takes summer classes, he will not be receiving an athletic grant-in-aid to pay for them.
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Tyrone Moore
@tyronemoorecbb
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5m
I am hearing Texas Tech is gaining some significant traction in the Mac McClung sweepstakes. They seem to be the favorites as of now. #RoneBomb
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Tyrone Moore
@tyronemoorecbb
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5m
I am hearing Texas Tech is gaining some significant traction in the Mac McClung sweepstakes. They seem to be the favorites as of now. #RoneBomb
Someone trying to make their personal hashtag happen? Who does he think he is, Adrian Wojnarowski? ;D
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Jeff Borzello
@jeffborzello
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24m
East Tennessee State transfer Bo Hodges has committed to Butler.
First-team All-SoCon pick averaged 12.7 points and 5.8 rebounds last season after helping lead the Buccaneers to a 30-4 record.
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Jeff Borzello
@jeffborzello
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1h
USC transfer Elijah Weaver announced his commitment to Dayton. Former ESPN 100 guard started 14 games last season for the Trojans, averaged 6.6 points.
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Jeff Borzello
@jeffborzello
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1h
USC transfer Elijah Weaver announced his commitment to Dayton. Former ESPN 100 guard started 14 games last season for the Trojans, averaged 6.6 points.
Poor kid. Any word on Smith from IU?
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Poor kid. Any word on Smith from IU?
There was a long list released the other day and MU wasn't on it.
Indiana grad transfer Justin Smith tells ESPN he’s heard from:
Illinois
Georgetown
Iowa State
Northwestern
Purdue
Maryland
Mississippi State
Arkansas
DePaul
Notre Dame
Oregon
Xavier
Boston College
Arizona State
Wake Forest
Tulsa
New Mexico
Nevada
NC State
Virginia Tech
I think the one to watch for MU may be PJ Horne who is grad transferring from Va Tech. No idea if MU will get involved, but he would fit nicely as a replacement for Bailey. Can stretch the floor. 35% from 3
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Thanks Guru
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Sam Hauser late last week said he was happy he had to sit out for a year. Made his adjustment easier to a new school. For some people it is better to sit, while others are ready to go. He felt the choice athletes have would be good, but for him sitting out was best for him. How many coaches are going to allow players to sit for a year if they wish to? Will they have that option?
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Sam Hauser late last week said he was happy he had to sit out for a year. Made his adjustment easier to a new school. For some people it is better to sit, while others are ready to go. He felt the choice athletes have would be good, but for him sitting out was best for him. How many coaches are going to allow players to sit for a year if they wish to? Will they have that option?
I’m sure players will be able to find situations where they will be able to sit a year - though I’ll bet there will be very, very few who want to. I should say some, as that is your preferred way to say almost none.
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Probably a case by case scenario, especially if injured, like Sam.
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How many coaches are going to allow players to sit for a year if they wish to? Will they have that option?
If instant transfers are passed, you will have a lot more coaches forcing players to take redshirts when they want to play, then coaches forcing players to play when they want to redshirt.
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If instant transfers are passed, you will have a lot more coaches forcing players to take redshirts when they want to play, then coaches forcing players to play when they want to redshirt.
Which begs the question...if it's passed, how many coaches won't even take guys if they aren't willing to sit a year?? There was an article awhile back about how Coaches actually want sit out transfers more than grad transfers to balance classes etc. Sure there will be some Coaches that take guys so they can play right away, but if a vast majority won't take a kid if he isn't willing to sit a year, that might be a way for Coaches to kind of "counter" the transfer rule if you will. Kids may find out that they have limited spots available to them.
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Non- injury redshirts may actually be less frequent. No reason to redshirt a player like Akanno when he can easily transfer down the road. One of the benefits of redshirting a freshmen in the past is that if made it harder to transfer, because they would lose a year of eligibility. It only makes sense to redshirt a player that you believe will play four years for you. With free transfers, I do not think any team can believe a player will stay four years.
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Non- injury redshirts may actually be less frequent. No reason to redshirt a player like Akanno when he can easily transfer down the road. One of the benefits of redshirting a freshmen in the past is that if made it harder to transfer, because they would lose a year of eligibility. It only makes sense to redshirt a player that you believe will play four years for you. With free transfers, I do not think any team can believe a player will stay four years.
Disagree akanno n sacar could grad transfer for there 4th yr of ball n not sit out
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Disagree akanno n sacar could grad transfer for there 4th yr of ball n not sit out
I'm not sure that's true necessarily. I think I have read that if they pass the one time transfer rule, the grad transfer rule would be eliminated. Not 100% sure that they will eliminate it, but I thought I read that somewhere.
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Which begs the question...if it's passed, how many coaches won't even take guys if they aren't willing to sit a year?? There was an article awhile back about how Coaches actually want sit out transfers more than grad transfers to balance classes etc. Sure there will be some Coaches that take guys so they can play right away, but if a vast majority won't take a kid if he isn't willing to sit a year, that might be a way for Coaches to kind of "counter" the transfer rule if you will. Kids may find out that they have limited spots available to them.
It's a good bet the transfer rule will pass. I know coaches hate it but the NCAA could have voted to kill it this week. Instead they tabled it because it would wreak havoc on football and basketball. The hundreds of kids who transferred in both sports would be eligible immediately and would cause all sorts of problems. It will pass in January so football and basketball can adjust their rosters accordingly.
What I see happening is coaches will self limit the number of scholarships they use. There is no way to keep 13 players happy since all will be eligible. There will be a couple of red shirts but you could probably count them on both hands. Instead the 12th and 13th scholarship will go to walk ons or preferred walk one types. Kids thrilled to be there, will work hard and be happy with getting a minute or two every once in a while.
What I see as interesting is how much recruiting may change. There's almost 800 kids in this year's portal and still growing. Able to transfer freely will only increase that number. If you are a coach, do you prefer a kid with a year under his belt and more likely to stay now that he's used his one time transfer waiver or go strong on HS kids who may be gone in a year?
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Jeff Borzello
@jeffborzello
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12s
St. John's wing L.J. Figueroa is in the transfer portal, source told ESPN. Averaged 14.5 points and 4.5 rebounds last season, shot 36.5% from 3.
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Jeff Borzello
@jeffborzello
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12s
St. John's wing L.J. Figueroa is in the transfer portal, source told ESPN. Averaged 14.5 points and 4.5 rebounds last season, shot 36.5% from 3.
Oof for St. John’s
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Oof for St. John’s
My mini rant for the day...It really pisses me off that the Big East doesn't allow transfers within the conference. Other conferences allow it, why not the BE?? You have a talented player like this in the portal and there isn't a damn thing MU can do about it. >:(
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Which begs the question...if it's passed, how many coaches won't even take guys if they aren't willing to sit a year?? There was an article awhile back about how Coaches actually want sit out transfers more than grad transfers to balance classes etc. Sure there will be some Coaches that take guys so they can play right away, but if a vast majority won't take a kid if he isn't willing to sit a year, that might be a way for Coaches to kind of "counter" the transfer rule if you will. Kids may find out that they have limited spots available to them.
I guess there could be some coaches that take that stance. But they would instantly put themselves at a disadvantage on the transfer market.
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My mini rant for the day...It really pisses me off that the Big East doesn't allow transfers within the conference. Other conferences allow it, why not the BE?? You have a talented player like this in the portal and there isn't a damn thing MU can do about it. >:(
I'd agree but then I imagined what it'd be like seeing Sam and Joey over at Nova and changed my mind.
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Zach Braziller
@NYPost_Brazille
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51m
Schools have been in LJ Figueroa's ear that he would be able to get a waiver if he transferred based on the coronavirus's impact in NYC. Huge news that he's in the portal obviously. #sjubb
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I guess there could be some coaches that take that stance. But they would instantly put themselves at a disadvantage on the transfer market.
Agree.
IMHO very, very, very few athletes would opt to sit a season. Heck, add a another couple “verys” to that!
Even Sam would have played last season if rules allowed it.
I also agree with guru that BEast in-conference transfers should be allowed. Glad to see him coming around to the side of freedom for athletes. Change that rule, eliminate the mandatory-sit rule that punishes athletes from only 5 sports, and now we’re talkin’!
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Agree.
IMHO very, very, very few athletes would opt to sit a season. Heck, add a another couple “verys” to that!
Even Sam would have played last season if rules allowed it.
I also agree with guru that BEast in-conference transfers should be allowed. Glad to see him coming around to the side of freedom for athletes. Change that rule, eliminate the mandatory-sit rule that punishes athletes from only 5 sports, and now we’re talkin’!
You want the truth?? Here's the truth..I'm for the one time transfer rule IF MU benefits from it, if everyone else benefits from it as well, I'm against it. Same with the BE transfer rule. That's as honest as I can be :)
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If instant transfers are passed, you will have a lot more coaches forcing players to take redshirts when they want to play, then coaches forcing players to play when they want to redshirt.
How does one force a redshirt? If the kid doesn't want to redshirt, he will transfer and leave would he not?
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How does one force a redshirt?
Easily. The coach just doesn't play them.
If the kid doesn't want to redshirt, he will transfer and leave would he not?
Could happen, but at the end of the season. Its not like they could transfer somewhere else and play that season. Transfer or not, either way they are sitting out that season if the coach decides they are redshirting.
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You want the truth?? Here's the truth..I'm for the one time transfer rule IF MU benefits from it, if everyone else benefits from it as well, I'm against it. Same with the BE transfer rule. That's as honest as I can be :)
Fair enough, guru.
I am curious that nobody said Figueroa's transfer somehow proves that players don't want to compete for a de-motivator like Mike Anderson.
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Tyrone Moore
@tyronemoorecbb
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9m
Per a source Mac McClung will announce his college decision tomorrrow. Everything I’ve heard leads me to believe Mac will commit to Texas Tech.
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Easily. The coach just doesn't play them.
Could happen, but at the end of the season. Its not like they could transfer somewhere else and play that season. Transfer or not, either way they are sitting out that season if the coach decides they are redshirting.
Doesn't a player have to agree to a redshirt? Can a coach force a redshirt on a player?
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Doesn't a player have to agree to a redshirt? Can a coach force a redshirt on a player?
I'm not aware of a rule allowing players to check themselves into a game. If a coach never plays the player, they retain the year of eligibility.
I would say most (all?) coaches tell the players in advanced if they are planning to redshirt them. I would also say many (most?) give players at least some say in the decision. But those decisions don't typically get made until well after the fall semester has started....which closes the door on the player transferring to another school and playing that season. They may choose to transfer out of anger/frustration for being redshirtted, but they will have to wait until next season to play, even if the NCAA votes to get rid of the mandatory redshirt year.
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Doesn't a player have to agree to a redshirt? Can a coach force a redshirt on a player?
I would think a coach not playing a player is a pretty good indication the player should transfer.
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Disagree akanno n sacar could grad transfer for there 4th yr of ball n not sit out
That was only in their last year and they had to actually of gotten their degree. Redshirt Oso this year and if the free transfer passes he can transfer next year without any penalty. Now you have a year's investment in a player who never plays for your team and another team benefits from your investment year.
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Doesn't a player have to agree to a redshirt? Can a coach force a redshirt on a player?
they can. They simply tell them "you're not playing this year and here's why." If the player disagrees they can transfer but in the end, the coach has the final say. Usually, it's due to A) the need for development or B) where they are on the depth chart. Of course, a redshirt can come off at any time due to injuries or attrition during the season.
A recent rule change allows a redshirt due to a coach's decision to count towards one of the two denied participation opportunities for a sixth-year extension of eligibility.
Oh, and Rony Eford used to check himself into games when he played for KO.
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That was only in their last year and they had to actually of gotten their degree. Redshirt Oso this year and if the free transfer passes he can transfer next year without any penalty. Now you have a year's investment in a player who never plays for your team and another team benefits from your investment year.
Why would any kid want to redshirt nowadays. I can see a player in the 300's or worse who's best offer is to let say MU, ie. Akanno. If he wants to play at a big school
then why not. Now that Akanno will be a redshirt frosh and does not play a ton of minutes. Good bye. No way Oso redshirts, if that was the case, he might as well gone
to LMU and played right away.
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Why would any kid want to redshirt nowadays. I can see a player in the 300's or worse who's best offer is to let say MU, ie. Akanno. If he wants to play at a big school
then why not. Now that Akanno will be a redshirt frosh and does not play a ton of minutes. Good bye. No way Oso redshirts, if that was the case, he might as well gone
to LMU and played right away.
Wow, what an awful take. Now that BB is gone I think it's unlikely that Oso redshirts, but it's certainly still a possibility. Players can choose to redshirt for a multitude of reasons. Wojo has hinted that Oso needs to put on weight. Rivals lists him at 6-9 190, there's most definitely a scenario where Wojo sells that Oso is a big part of the future and once Jamal leaves, he'll have every chance to compete for a starting spot, but that he needs to get stronger to do so.
This is also another situation where Stan is overvalued. I'm sure he helped get Wojo in the door and helped along the way, but if Oso wasn't sold on Wojo, he wouldn't have committed. If Stan were as key a you insinuate, Oso would be at Texas, Stanford, Arizona, or one of the other high majors that offered him, rather than MU or LMU.
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Wow, what an awful take. Now that BB is gone I think it's unlikely that Oso redshirts, but it's certainly still a possibility. Players can choose to redshirt for a multitude of reasons. Wojo has hinted that Oso needs to put on weight. Rivals lists him at 6-9 190, there's most definitely a scenario where Wojo sells that Oso is a big part of the future and once Jamal leaves, he'll have every chance to compete for a starting spot, but that he needs to get stronger to do so.
This is also another situation where Stan is overvalued. I'm sure he helped get Wojo in the door and helped along the way, but if Oso wasn't sold on Wojo, he wouldn't have committed. If Stan were as key a you insinuate, Oso would be at Texas, Stanford, Arizona, or one of the other high majors that offered him, rather than MU or LMU.
Normal times and teams that are loaded with players, then Oso might be a candidate if he wanted to. But with only 9 players for sure playing next year, no way. Carton I think will play but not sure on Perez.
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Normal times and teams that are loaded with players, then Oso might be a candidate if he wanted to. But with only 9 players for sure playing next year, no way. Carton I think will play but not sure on Perez.
The point is that players choose to redshirt based on more than just
I can see a player in the 300's or worse who's best offer is to let say MU, ie. Akanno. If he wants to play at a big school then why not.
Not being ready physically certainly qualifies as a reason to potentially redshirt.
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https://twitter.com/McclungMac/status/1265722767590207494
Guru's head can now officially resume exploding.
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https://twitter.com/McclungMac/status/1265722767590207494
Guru's head can now officially resume exploding.
No, I actually 100% support what Beard is doing, and actually am quite jealous. Wish MU could/would do more of that. Bringing in better players than the one's they are replacing, which is a Coach's job. He wasn't pleased with the season they had last year so he's doing something about it...upgrading the talent level..I applaud him.
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Jeff Borzello
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St. John's transfer L.J. Figueroa has heard from a number of schools, sources told ESPN, including:
Memphis
Texas Tech 8-)
Arkansas
Dayton
Ohio State
Oregon
Georgia Tech
Samford
UCLA
Auburn
Arguably the top available transfer. Averaged 14.5 points and 4.5 rebounds last season.
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No, I actually 100% support what Beard is doing, and actually am quite jealous. Wish MU could/would do more of that. Bringing in better players than the one's they are replacing, which is a Coach's job. He wasn't pleased with the season they had last year so he's doing something about it...upgrading the talent level..I applaud him.
Moooooooo
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Moooooooo
You're so mature...I noticed you couldn't respond to the fact that you also are being entertained by them, because you know it's true. Yet you sit and bitch continuously and denigrate me for being entertained by college kids that are being treated like "cattle".
By the way son, just an FYI, you haven't been on this earth long enough to have the smart mouth on you that you do. Some advice, if you're mouthy like that in real life like you are here with responses on most everything, it's going to end up bad for you eventually. If you're not, then you shouldn't be here either, it's called being a phony.
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Waivers have apparently started...
Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
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Johnny Juzang has gotten a waiver to play this season at UCLA, source told @Stadium
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Waivers have apparently started...
Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
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Johnny Juzang has gotten a waiver to play this season at UCLA, source told @Stadium
Not sure how Juzang gets one and Carton doesn't.
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Not sure how Juzang gets one and Carton doesn't.
I would agree, I'm sure Juzang's was because he went back home(he's from LA), but then the same can be said about DJ(closer to home), never mind his mental health issues. I had no idea they even worked on waivers this early. I just assumed they didn't start those until school returned. I wonder if MU has applied already for DJ.
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You're so mature...I noticed you couldn't respond to the fact that you also are being entertained by them, because you know it's true. Yet you sit and bitch continuously and denigrate me for being entertained by college kids that are being treated like "cattle".
By the way son, just an FYI, you haven't been on this earth long enough to have the smart mouth on you that you do. Some advice, if you're mouthy like that in real life like you are here with responses on most everything, it's going to end up bad for you eventually. If you're not, then you shouldn't be here either, it's called being a phony.
I’m petrified.
Also, anyone that thinks we should treat the roster like Chris Beard does and then expect the players to play for pride and the name on the front of the jersey is treating them like cattle. I suppose that’s the idea behind amateurism.
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Virginia Tech transfer PJ Horne has committed to #UGA. 6-foot-7 forward who averaged 7.6 points per game last year for the Hokies. Georgia native from Tift County
Per Dan McDonald retweeted by Jeff Goodman
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I would agree, I'm sure Juzang's was because he went back home(he's from LA), but then the same can be said about DJ(closer to home), never mind his mental health issues. I had no idea they even worked on waivers this early. I just assumed they didn't start those until school returned. I wonder if MU has applied already for DJ.
I believe in the past they worked on football eligibility first, so that delayed basketball transfer decisions.
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I would agree, I'm sure Juzang's was because he went back home(he's from LA), but then the same can be said about DJ(closer to home), never mind his mental health issues. I had no idea they even worked on waivers this early. I just assumed they didn't start those until school returned. I wonder if MU has applied already for DJ.
There is no set time. Most schools start them immediately upon the signing of a transfer.
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Virginia Tech transfer PJ Horne has committed to #UGA. 6-foot-7 forward who averaged 7.6 points per game last year for the Hokies. Georgia native from Tift County
Per Dan McDonald retweeted by Jeff Goodman
Interesting... will play for both Buzz & Crean
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Interesting... will play for both Buzz & Crean
Definitely grad transferring here then
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Definitely grad transferring here then
LOL he's already a grad transfer
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LOL he's already a grad transfer
Lol oops, I need coffee.
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Gary Parrish
@GaryParrishCBS
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My understanding is that Johnny Juzang argued he transferred to UCLA because he wanted to be home in LA with family during a pandemic. Waiver approved. So I’d say that’s a good sign for anybody also transferring home — but that it likely doesn’t mean much for those who aren’t.
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Bettendorf is basically a suburb of Milwaukee right?
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Bettendorf is basically a suburb of Milwaukee right?
From a high major perspective, Milwaukee or ISU were the closest options and it's about the same distance. Iowa is closer, but they didn't have any scholarships.
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From a high major perspective, Milwaukee or ISU were the closest options and it's about the same distance. Iowa is closer, but they didn't have any scholarships.
Madison, Iowa, Northern Illinois, Northern Iowa are all closer.
He’s not moving that much closer to home. Not saying he won’t get a waiver though.
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So, I was going through some things today and I came across something that caught my attention..Chavez Goodwin former big of Wofford transferred to USC this off season..HOWEVER, the school hasn't announced anything(believe he committed early April), nor, from what I understand has he signed anything, therefore he can, and what I understand has received interest from other schools(Wake Forest being one), I wonder if this is something MU might/has explore(d)? He'd be a hell of a back up for Theo.
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Madison, Iowa, Northern Illinois, Northern Iowa are all closer.
He’s not moving that much closer to home. Not saying he won’t get a waiver though.
3 hour drive vs 7 hours isn't insignificant. And both NIUs aren't on the same level.
I get the Madison argument, but a difference of 20 minutes vs 4+ hours is significant. Carton is close enough to home that he can make the round trip in a single day and still spend hours with family. From OSU, it's going to be at least 2 days just to visit.
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An interesting name in the transfer portal today..Grad transfer..Andre Adams from Southern Utah..6'9" 8th in the Big Sky in Offensive rating-117.8, Led in Offensive rebounding %-13.7, 8th in defensive reb %-21.2, 3rd in Blk%-6.9, 3rd in 2pt% at 65%. Would be a viable back up to Theo.
Avg 9 PPG 6.5 RPG. Started his career at Arizona St.
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An interesting name in the transfer portal today..Grad transfer..Andre Adams from Southern Utah..6'9" 8th in the Big Sky in Offensive rating-117.8, Led in Offensive rebounding %-13.7, 8th in defensive reb %-21.2, 3rd in Blk%-6.9, 3rd in 2pt% at 65%. Would be a viable back up to Theo.
Avg 9 PPG 6.5 RPG. Started his career at Arizona St.
Will be interesting to see if Stan , a former Southern Utah guy himself , makes the LMU case for Andre. I imagine Stan had a role in recruiting him to ASU.
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Grad transfer with TWO years to play...
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Delaware forward Justyn Mutts has entered the transfer portal as a grad transfer, sources told ESPN. Should have two years remaining. Averaged 12.2 points and 8.4 rebounds.
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Knot feelin' da name four a Warrior. How's his neck, hey?
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Knot feelin' da name four a Warrior. How's his neck, hey?
Have to make sure Mutts is not a dog...
Has an excellent neck though.
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Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
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BREAKING: Florida’s Andrew Nembhard will withdraw from the NBA Draft and intends to transfer, source told @Stadium
. The 6-foot-5 sophomore point guard averaged 11.2 points and 5.6 assists per game this past season and should be a pursued heavily by other high-major schools.
Now THIS would be a grand slam get..He can take over for DJ next year if he goes pro, or even if he doesn't. You collect talent, and figure it out
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Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
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BREAKING: Florida’s Andrew Nembhard will withdraw from the NBA Draft and intends to transfer, source told @Stadium
. The 6-foot-5 sophomore point guard averaged 11.2 points and 5.6 assists per game this past season and should be a pursued heavily by other high-major schools.
Now THIS would be a grand slam get..He can take over for DJ next year if he goes pro, or even if he doesn't. You collect talent, and figure it out
Worth reading the various Florida boards on Nembhard. Obviously take any board with a grain of salt. They describe this player as slow, Unathletic , hold the ball deep into the possession Type and primarily a pick and roll type point guard. The birds say he is not suited for uptempo offense. Of course, if MU goes to a slow ball control type offense then maybe this player would be perfect for MU.
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Worth reading the various Florida boards on Nembhard. Obviously take any bird with a grain of salt. They describe this player as slow, Unathletic , hold the ball deep into the possession Type and primarily a pick and roll type point guard. The birds say he is not suited for uptempo offense. Of course, if MU goes to a slow ball control type offense then maybe this player would be perfect for MU.
I'm not going to say they are wrong, but Mike White's system is also a slow it down system.
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Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
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BREAKING: Florida’s Andrew Nembhard will withdraw from the NBA Draft and intends to transfer, source told @Stadium
. The 6-foot-5 sophomore point guard averaged 11.2 points and 5.6 assists per game this past season and should be a pursued heavily by other high-major schools.
Now THIS would be a grand slam get..He can take over for DJ next year if he goes pro, or even if he doesn't. You collect talent, and figure it out
Marquette is recruiting his younger brother. I know brothers haven’t worked out well for Marquette but would make sense to kick the tires on this.
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Jalen Carey announcing Friday.
BYU, Rhode Island, MU, Creighton, Bama "amongst others" from Jake Weingarten's twitter.
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Jalen Carey announcing Friday.
BYU, Rhode Island, MU, Creighton, Bama "amongst others" from Jake Weingarten's twitter.
Interesting list, I think MU has a chance against those schools!
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Interesting list, I think MU has a chance against those schools!
Assuming he left Syracuse to actually get on the court, guessing we don’t win this one with Carton, Elliot, Jose Perez, Akanno, Symir, whoever else is added in 2021 all competing for guard minutes
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Assuming he left Syracuse to actually get on the court, guessing we don’t win this one with Carton, Elliot, Jose Perez, Akanno, Symir, whoever else is added in 2021 all competing for guard minutes
He is looking at 4 Big East Schools among the 7, (Georgetown, U-Conn, Creighton, MU) per this research report.
https://insidetheloudhouse.com/2020/05/05/syracuse-basketball-transfer-jalen-carey-list-seven-strong-squads/
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I'd be shocked if he picks MU. This kids recruitment had to be one of the quietest transfer recruitments ever. I'm not even sure MU was ever really involved other then inquiring initially. If they were, it was done very much behind the scenes, much like Carton's was. But at least with him, even early on, there were leaks about who presumed leaders were etc. There hasn't even been that with Carey. Not a peep.
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So Alison keleher not following then?
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Grad transfer with TWO years to play...
Jeff Borzello
@jeffborzello
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Delaware forward Justyn Mutts has entered the transfer portal as a grad transfer, sources told ESPN. Should have two years remaining. Averaged 12.2 points and 8.4 rebounds.
He will forever be linked to the Mutt Cutts van from Dumb & Dumber.
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He is looking at 4 Big East Schools among the 7, (Georgetown, U-Conn, Creighton, MU) per this research report.
https://insidetheloudhouse.com/2020/05/05/syracuse-basketball-transfer-jalen-carey-list-seven-strong-squads/
Im picking uconn on this one
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Interesting list, I think MU has a chance against those schools!
Rhode Island is Zagoria's prediction
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Rhode Island is Zagoria's prediction
I agree, I was told they are only looking at 2021 kids and 2020 was over, have enough guards right now, need a center.
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Rhode Island is Zagoria's prediction
Per Adam Zagoria Tweet 10 Hours ago
Rhode Island adds Syracuse transfer Jalen Carey
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Any other transfers or grads we are looking into for 2020?
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Any other transfers or grads we are looking into for 2020?
Doesn't sound like it...the only way i see it happening at this point is if someone big pulls out of the draft and decides to transfer.
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Somewhat cryptic tweet/IG from DJ.
https://twitter.com/11W/status/1270021932713467904
Can't imagine the response here had it been the other way around. Someone leaving MU and saying something like this.
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Somewhat cryptic tweet/IG from DJ.
https://twitter.com/11W/status/1270021932713467904
Can't imagine the response here had it been the other way around. Someone leaving MU and saying something like this.
Actually it sounds anything but cryptic. Sounds like he was asked to leave - or at least that’s how he interpreted what went down.
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Actually it sounds anything but cryptic. Sounds like he was asked to leave - or at least that’s how he interpreted what went down.
I love DJ and am really glad he chose MU, but I really wish he wouldn't be saying anything publicly about why he left Ohio St. MU needs Ohio St to be supportive and cooperative for DJ to be granted a waiver..saying things in public like this won't help his cause.
On another note, someone asked him when he'd be in Milwaukee and he said July 5th. He also said he has no intentions of sitting out a full year...so that should tell you how important it is for MU for him to be granted a waiver.
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Actually it sounds anything but cryptic. Sounds like he was asked to leave - or at least that’s how he interpreted what went down.
Implying one thing after being pretty vocal about a completely different thing being the reason he stepped away and transferred closer to home, I'd say that qualifies as cryptic.
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Actually it sounds anything but cryptic. Sounds like he was asked to leave - or at least that’s how he interpreted what went down.
if that's the case he meets the criteria for a waiver - run off.
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I love DJ and am really glad he chose MU, but I really wish he wouldn't be saying anything publicly about why he left Ohio St. MU needs Ohio St to be supportive and cooperative for DJ to be granted a waiver..saying things in public like this won't help his cause.
On another note, someone asked him when he'd be in Milwaukee and he said July 5th. He also said he has no intentions of sitting out a full year...so that should tell you how important it is for MU for him to be granted a waiver.
Actually the strategy may be that OSU wasn’t supportive of his illness and that’s why he had to leave.
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I love DJ and am really glad he chose MU, but I really wish he wouldn't be saying anything publicly about why he left Ohio St. MU needs Ohio St to be supportive and cooperative for DJ to be granted a waiver..saying things in public like this won't help his cause.
On another note, someone asked him when he'd be in Milwaukee and he said July 5th. He also said he has no intentions of sitting out a full year...so that should tell you how important it is for MU for him to be granted a waiver.
There was another post of his that said "you'll be sitting out a full year" and he said "No I won't" with some laughing emojis.
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Glad to see Foreverwarriors stepping up to help DJ write his social media posts.
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Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
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McNeese State’s Keyshawn Feazell had his waiver approved by the NCAA, per source. Feazell transferred from Mississippi State.
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https://www.wholehogsports.com/news/2020/jun/15/chaney-enters-ncaa-transfer-portal/
Doubt we'll get involved, but I'm sure there are worse options out there as a Theo replacement. For 21-22 we're still looking at either Dawson (if he's still here) or Lewis as our starting center. Adding someone with 2 years high major experience would help if only in terms of adding competition. We certainly have the scholarships to take a project-y big. Could end up seeing him either way as DePaul offered him in high school, or he could follow Anderson.
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Now right here is the PERFECT back up to Theo...He can score, VERY good shot blocker, doesn't have to play a lot of minutes. He and Theo would be a perfect 1-2 combo underneath..immediately eligible
Yor Anei
June 16, 2020
Anei is looking to transfer out of Oklahoma State and will be immediately eligible for the upcoming season, Jon Rothstein of CBS Sports reports.
ANALYSIS
The 6-foot-10 big man is reportedly looking to continue his career elsewhere after spending the last two seasons in Stillwater. Anei had a significant role with the Cowboys, starting 56 games in that span and averaging 7.9 points and 4.7 rebounds.
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Now right here is the PERFECT back up to Theo...He can score, VERY good shot blocker, doesn't have to play a lot of minutes. He and Theo would be a perfect 1-2 combo underneath..immediately eligible
Yor Anei
June 16, 2020
Anei is looking to transfer out of Oklahoma State and will be immediately eligible for the upcoming season, Jon Rothstein of CBS Sports reports.
ANALYSIS
The 6-foot-10 big man is reportedly looking to continue his career elsewhere after spending the last two seasons in Stillwater. Anei had a significant role with the Cowboys, starting 56 games in that span and averaging 7.9 points and 4.7 rebounds.
Marquette reached out to him when he was in high school. Not sure what inroads were made, but playign time at the 5 is soemthign we can offer.
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Per Jeff Goodman @ Goodman Hoops
Oklahoma State has landed Ole Miss transfer Bryce Williams, source told @Stadium.
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Now right here is the PERFECT back up to Theo...He can score, VERY good shot blocker, doesn't have to play a lot of minutes. He and Theo would be a perfect 1-2 combo underneath..immediately eligible
Yor Anei
June 16, 2020
Anei is looking to transfer out of Oklahoma State and will be immediately eligible for the upcoming season, Jon Rothstein of CBS Sports reports.
ANALYSIS
The 6-foot-10 big man is reportedly looking to continue his career elsewhere after spending the last two seasons in Stillwater. Anei had a significant role with the Cowboys, starting 56 games in that span and averaging 7.9 points and 4.7 rebounds.
why would 2 year starter and grad transfer want to be a back up?
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why would 2 year starter and grad transfer want to be a back up?
Jayce started 25 of 29 games at Utah in 18-19.
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why would 2 year starter and grad transfer want to be a back up?
Most kids are smart enough to realize that starting doesn't matter as much as minutes do. Wojo has shown time and again that he will give the minutes to whomever is playing best, staying out of foul trouble (obviously) and who is helping the team in a given game.
Jayce averaged 18 mpg over the final 2 months last season, and played more minutes than Theo did in about half of the games during that span.
Anei averaged 20 mpg for Okla St last season. He has 2 years left, so he'd split with Theo next season and be the main man in the middle as a senior.
There might be other better situations for him, coaches who might tell him he'd play 30 mpg for them, but Wojo has a decent amount to sell him.
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Most kids are smart enough to realize that starting doesn't matter as much as minutes do. Wojo has shown time and again that he will give the minutes to whomever is playing best, staying out of foul trouble (obviously) and who is helping the team in a given game.
Jayce averaged 18 mpg over the final 2 months last season, and played more minutes than Theo did in about half of the games during that span.
Anei averaged 20 mpg for Okla St last season. He has 2 years left, so he'd split with Theo next season and be the main man in the middle as a senior.
There might be other better situations for him, coaches who might tell him he'd play 30 mpg for them, but Wojo has a decent amount to sell him.
Fact of the matter is, he averages over 6 fouls committed per 40 minutes. He played about 20 minutes per game.
If someone is telling him he’s going to get 30 mpg, he’ll be fouling out a lot.
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why would 2 year starter and grad transfer want to be a back up?
Maybe he wants to play in the NCAA tournament, which is no longer an option at Ok State.
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why would 2 year starter and grad transfer want to be a back up?
As others stated, he's a two year guy...He could man the middle next year for MU as a starter. This to me is the perfect guy for MU to bring in, and MU's situation is perfect for him as far as minutes he could get and opportunity next year.
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As others stated, he's a two year guy...He could man the middle next year for MU as a starter. This to me is the perfect guy for MU to bring in, and MU's situation is perfect for him as far as minutes he could get and opportunity next year.
Would be a huge get IMHO. His advanced stats are very solid.
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Fact of the matter is, he averages over 6 fouls committed per 40 minutes. He played about 20 minutes per game.
If someone is telling him he’s going to get 30 mpg, he’ll be fouling out a lot.
And lying to him, thinking they're just telling him what he wants to hear.
Superb point.
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Maybe he wants to play in the NCAA tournament, which is no longer an option at Ok State.
when did I say he should/would play at OK State?
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Jeff Borzello
@jeffborzello
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Ole Miss sophomore Blake Hinson has entered the transfer portal, sources told ESPN. Averaged 10.1 points and 4.6 rebounds last season.
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Would be a huge get IMHO. His advanced stats are very solid.
Agree IMHO Yor Anei, along with the Freshman, would help replace Jayce’s mix it up rebounds along with Brendan’s out of area rebounds in general.
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We may or may not play Minnesota and not sure he will get a waiver but Gophers land former Austin Minnesota star Both Gach in transfer from Utah.Not that it matters that much but Sam Hauser has been connected to 3 Transfers. Sam liked the Tweet of Justin Turner returning to Bowling Green. Sam liked the tweet of Both Gach committing to Minnesota. Sam did Not like the tweet of Jose Perez committing to Marquette.
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when did I say he should/would play at OK State?
SMDH
why would 2 year starter and grad transfer want to be a back up?
Maybe he wants to play in the NCAA tournament, which is no longer an option at Ok State.
Asked and answered.
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SMDH
Asked and answered.
So, you’re saying his only choice is being a back up at MU or go back to OK State, the only school where he could start. None of the other 351 schools in D1 are an option for him. Thanks for clearing that up.
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So, you’re saying his only choice is being a back up at MU or go back to OK State, the only school where he could start. None of the other 351 schools in D1 are an option for him. Thanks for clearing that up.
Again, why did Jayce Johnson choose Marquette? None of the other 351 schools in D1 were an option for a guy who had started 25 games and averaged 22 minutes for a Pac-12 school?
There are all kinds of reasons a player might choose a school. None of us knows Anei nor what motivates him. You asked a question and brewcity gave you one possible answer. Just because you didn't like the answer doesn't mean it's implausible.
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Again, why did Jayce Johnson choose Marquette? None of the other 351 schools in D1 were an option for a guy who had started 25 games and averaged 22 minutes for a Pac-12 school?
There are all kinds of reasons a player might choose a school. None of us knows Anei nor what motivates him. You asked a question and brewcity gave you one possible answer. Just because you didn't like the answer doesn't mean it's implausible.
I had an interesting experience with experience earlier this year that can shed some light in Jayce.
I was at the airport in Denver . I saw the Utah basketball team at the gate next to mine . There flight was delayed as was mine. ( I found it odd they were flying commercial, but remembered that Chicos Bail Bonds said that many if the Pac 12 schools Still do that)
Because of the down time ,I was able to get into a discussion with one of the Utah assistant coaches . When the discussion came around to Jayce, he got a little PO’d about the whole thing. He alleged that “someone Got to him and sold him a bill of goods . “ as he noticed Jayces minutes were down, . He said that Jayce would have played maximum minutes at Utah this season . He then said kids will believe what they want to believe and that’s why they have to keep recruiting all the time.
Heck maybe the kid was sick of flying around in cramped airlines and MU told him we fly private etc.
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I had an interesting experience with experience earlier this year that can shed some light in Jayce.
I was at the airport in Denver . I saw the Utah basketball team at the gate next to mine . There flight was delayed as was mine. ( I found it odd they were flying commercial, but remembered that Chicos Bail Bonds said that many if the Pac 12 schools Still do that)
Because of the down time ,I was able to get into a discussion with one of the Utah assistant coaches . When the discussion came around to Jayce, he got a little PO’d about the whole thing. He alleged that “someone Got to him and sold him a bill of goods . “ as he noticed Jayces minutes were down, . He said that Jayce would have played maximum minutes at Utah this season . He then said kids will believe what they want to believe and that’s why they have to keep recruiting all the time.
Heck maybe the kid was sick of flying around in cramped airlines and MU told him we fly private etc.
I’m sure.
The good thing is Jayce seemed to love his time at Marquette, so even the bill of goods he was sold ended up working out well with Jayce.
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I had an interesting experience with experience earlier this year that can shed some light in Jayce.
I was at the airport in Denver . I saw the Utah basketball team at the gate next to mine . There flight was delayed as was mine. ( I found it odd they were flying commercial, but remembered that Chicos Bail Bonds said that many if the Pac 12 schools Still do that)
Because of the down time ,I was able to get into a discussion with one of the Utah assistant coaches . When the discussion came around to Jayce, he got a little PO’d about the whole thing. He alleged that “someone Got to him and sold him a bill of goods . “ as he noticed Jayces minutes were down, . He said that Jayce would have played maximum minutes at Utah this season . He then said kids will believe what they want to believe and that’s why they have to keep recruiting all the time.
Heck maybe the kid was sick of flying around in cramped airlines and MU told him we fly private etc.
Saw the USC bball team in Denver airport a few years ago, that has to suck. Ive flow private many times and it is a wholly different experience. Flying is a physically draining experience, private so much less so. Also couldnt imagine being 6 5” or bigger flying commercial.
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Saw the USC bball team in Denver airport a few years ago, that has to suck. Ive flow private many times and it is a wholly different experience. Flying is a physically draining experience, private so much less so. Also couldnt imagine being 6 5” or bigger flying commercial.
Yeah it’s not great. Exit row or misery. 1st class upgrades once or twice a year are a gift.
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I had an interesting experience with experience earlier this year that can shed some light in Jayce.
I was at the airport in Denver . I saw the Utah basketball team at the gate next to mine . There flight was delayed as was mine. ( I found it odd they were flying commercial, but remembered that Chicos Bail Bonds said that many if the Pac 12 schools Still do that)
Because of the down time ,I was able to get into a discussion with one of the Utah assistant coaches . When the discussion came around to Jayce, he got a little PO’d about the whole thing. He alleged that “someone Got to him and sold him a bill of goods . “ as he noticed Jayces minutes were down, . He said that Jayce would have played maximum minutes at Utah this season . He then said kids will believe what they want to believe and that’s why they have to keep recruiting all the time.
Heck maybe the kid was sick of flying around in cramped airlines and MU told him we fly private etc.
Angry that a player left, a coach, providing no evidence other than his own hurt feelings, lashed out at the coach/program that got the player.
I don't think ESPN will be interrupting its scheduled programming - probably a replay of a 1983 log-rolling contest - to report this breaking news.
Jayce preferred Marquette, contributed to Marquette, and seemed quite happy to be part of our program. Had he not been hurt earlier in the year, he would have had an even more productive season.
We Are Marquette!
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Angry that a player left, a coach, providing no evidence other than his own hurt feelings, lashed out at the coach/program that got the player.
I don't think ESPN will be interrupting its scheduled programming - probably a replay of a 1983 log-rolling contest - to report this breaking news.
Jayce preferred Marquette, contributed to Marquette, and seemed quite happy to be part of our program. Had he not been hurt earlier in the year, he would have had an even more productive season.
We Are Marquette!
And told a random Marquette fan walking through an airport that the team he is a “fan” of sold their would’ve been stud big man a bill of goods to get him to leave Utah. ::)
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So, you’re saying his only choice is being a back up at MU or go back to OK State, the only school where he could start. None of the other 351 schools in D1 are an option for him. Thanks for clearing that up.
Nowhere in my post did I mention Marquette. I was addressing the question of why he would go to be a backup. He could do that anywhere that is eligible to go to the NCAA Tournament.
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https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/1273351321677172736?s=19
Nojel eastern not admitted to Michigan. Weird situation
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https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/1273351321677172736?s=19
Nojel eastern not admitted to Michigan. Weird situation
Hey, I got one right!
I wonder if Michigan doesn't "announce" additions to the team until all their transfer credits are figured out. I could see Michigan being a difficult place to transfer into.
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Hey, I got one right!
You know your stuff. Kudos.
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You know your stuff. Kudos.
Broken clock is right twice a day
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Weird...had to be something about this kid, that no high majors wanted to touch him
https://twitter.com/EvanDaniels/status/1273378851075362818?s=20
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https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/1273351321677172736?s=19
Nojel eastern not admitted to Michigan. Weird situation
Ha, Mrs. Eastern is gonna be pissed.
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Weird...had to be something about this kid, that no high majors wanted to touch him
https://twitter.com/EvanDaniels/status/1273378851075362818?s=20
He was awful without Edwards on the floor.
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Angry that a player left, a coach, providing no evidence other than his own hurt feelings, lashed out at the coach/program that got the player.
I don't think ESPN will be interrupting its scheduled programming - probably a replay of a 1983 log-rolling contest - to report this breaking news.
Jayce preferred Marquette, contributed to Marquette, and seemed quite happy to be part of our program. Had he not been hurt earlier in the year, he would have had an even more productive season.
We Are Marquette!
I was delighted that Jayce bought our bill of goods. I think if Jayce wasn't hurt he would have had a monster year. I thoroughly enjoyed his style of play, he truly got the tough rebounds.
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I was delighted that Jayce bought our bill of goods. I think if Jayce wasn't hurt he would have had a monster year. I thoroughly enjoyed his style of play, he truly got the tough rebounds.
+1000
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https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/1273351321677172736?s=19
Nojel eastern not admitted to Michigan. Weird situation
Guessing his English credits didnt transfer?
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Guessing his English credits didnt transfer?
Irony.
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Bryan Penn-Johnson transferring from Washington 7'0"
https://twitter.com/the_statement14/status/1273663568588632064?s=20
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Bryan Penn-Johnson transferring from Washington 7'0"
https://twitter.com/the_statement14/status/1273663568588632064?s=20
That dude is an aircraft carrier. Former 3 star... low usage.
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Irony.
You win.
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Irony.
So true
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https://twitter.com/evandaniels/status/1273762234519433217?s=21
DePaul adds another immediately eligible player in grad transfer Brian Patrick.
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Jeff Borzello
@jeffborzello
Kobe King will not attend Nebraska next season due to personal reasons, the school announced.
He had transferred from Wisconsin back in January and committed to Nebraska in February.
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Jeff Borzello
@jeffborzello
Kobe King will not attend Nebraska next season due to personal reasons, the school announced.
He had transferred from Wisconsin back in January and committed to Nebraska in February.
He's gonna go start a brand new team with Nojel
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Jeff Borzello
@jeffborzello
Kobe King will not attend Nebraska next season due to personal reasons, the school announced.
Will we have a big 3 of “transfer due to personal reasons” next year??
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Im guessing Nohel n kobe are done at a P6 level
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Any interest from MU?
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Any interest from MU?
There should be. Wojo likes lighting scholarships on fire tho, so probs not.
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There should be. Wojo likes lighting scholarships on fire tho, so probs not.
He just needs you to contribute 50k each and every year to the program in order to use another. That shouldn’t be a problem, right?
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There should be. Wojo likes lighting scholarships on fire tho, so probs not.
Who exactly wanted to come here but Wojo didn't want to give up his banked scholarships on? Just wondering.
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Who exactly wanted to come here but Wojo didn't want to give up his banked scholarships on? Just wondering.
I think JJJ's point is why isn't he even getting involved with anyone else?? Now some would say "we don't know that he hasn't". Yeah actually we do...writers get lists of kids of schools that have reached out to them, when is the last time we saw MU connected with someone?? Now granted, the transfer market has slowed, but their were recently two bigs that hit the market, who in both instances would be absolutely ideal fits(MU needs another big) for what they are looking for, and sure as of yet we haven't seen any "contact" lists for either, but something tells me MU won't be in on either one, and that would truly be baffling to me.
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Seems like they are focused on Etienne and a potential reclassification. Nothing wrong with that.
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I think JJJ's point is why isn't he even getting involved with anyone else?? Now some would say "we don't know that he hasn't". Yeah actually we do...writers get lists of kids of schools that have reached out to them, when is the last time we saw MU connected with someone?? Now granted, the transfer market has slowed, but their were recently two bigs that hit the market, who in both instances would be absolutely ideal fits(MU needs another big) for what they are looking for, and sure as of yet we haven't seen any "contact" lists for either, but something tells me MU won't be in on either one, and that would truly be baffling to me.
And of you course you know as a fact that they haven't reached out to a player or coach to gauge interest. Maybe. Just maybe. They reached out and were told thanks but no thanks. But I don't know everything as you guys do.
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Seems like they are focused on Etienne and a potential reclassification. Nothing wrong with that.
Not saying they aren't still involved, I'm sure they are, but we haven't heard about any contact between MU and Etienne in awhile. Also, I think its very doubtful he reclasses just from everything you read. I mean my goodness it's approaching the end of June..If you are going to reclass you had better decide that like REAL quick. School starts August 10th..it's not as easy as just showing up on that day and saying "okay I'm ready to start school now". There is a lot that goes into it. Time is winding down rapidly.
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Wojo has his reasons for not filling all his scholarships. And I understand that adding people simply for the sake of adding them could have a detrimental impact on the team. I trust his judgement here.
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There are some things about Wojo that I have serious questions about, but I believe he has earned our trust regarding recruiting. Just landed a top-20 class, augmented by one of the top 3 transfers available. That on top of him generally doing a good job recruiting over his time at MU.
Maybe, just maybe, he actually knows what he's doing on the recruiting end of things better than Scoopers do.
I know ... crazy thought.
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Wojo has his reasons for not filling all his scholarships. And I understand that adding people simply for the sake of adding them could have a detrimental impact on the team. I trust his judgement here.
Agree 100% with this.
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Not saying they aren't still involved, I'm sure they are, but we haven't heard about any contact between MU and Etienne in awhile. Also, I think its very doubtful he reclasses just from everything you read. I mean my goodness it's approaching the end of June..If you are going to reclass you had better decide that like REAL quick. School starts August 10th..it's not as easy as just showing up on that day and saying "okay I'm ready to start school now". There is a lot that goes into it. Time is winding down rapidly.
I don't know the specifics of Etienne's situation, but it could even be something like Jarnell Stokes at Tennessee a few years back. Became eligible at mid-season, enrolled as a freshman, and started playing in January. I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S WHAT THIS IS. Keeping a scholarship open would allow the flexibility to do that or to take a mid-season transfer.
I really think they are willing to accept going forward with Theo and the freshmen in the middle, which is why we aren't seeing other interest for big men.
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I don't know the specifics of Etienne's situation, but it could even be something like Jarnell Stokes at Tennessee a few years back. Became eligible at mid-season, enrolled as a freshman, and started playing in January. I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S WHAT THIS IS. Keeping a scholarship open would allow the flexibility to do that or to take a mid-season transfer.
I really think they are willing to accept going forward with Theo and the freshmen in the middle, which is why we aren't seeing other interest for big men.
"That's his choice and he's going to have to live with it".
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"That's his choice and he's going to have to live with it".
I don't disagree, it's a risk. But looking at the players they've targeted, they really didn't make a push for any of the prominent immediately eligible bigs. If they saw it as a need, I have to assume they would've made a push. Now maybe they make that stronger push for Etienne because they know getting him in now means no one else will pry him away from us in 4-6 months and because they view him as a longer-term player while also having another backup option. Regardless, if they thought that position was an issue, we would've been more prominently mentioned with big men (even if we ultimately missed out). The areas of concern were guard and wing. Carton solved one, they missed out on Turner and got a backup option in Perez for the future. We can criticize, but Wojo knows what he expects out of this team better than any of us do.
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Jeffrey Waddilove
@JeffWaddilove
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Jun 19
Rumors are fun. Nothing set in stone of course, but heard guard Kobe King could be UNLV bound. Former Wisconsin transfer just backed out of his LOI at Nebraska. Rebs are already at their scholarship allotment, so not too sure how this one would work out. Interesting nonetheless.
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Jeffrey Waddilove
@JeffWaddilove
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Jun 19
Rumors are fun. Nothing set in stone of course, but heard guard Kobe King could be UNLV bound. Former Wisconsin transfer just backed out of his LOI at Nebraska. Rebs are already at their scholarship allotment, so not too sure how this one would work out. Interesting nonetheless.
Not sure how could back out of something that doesn’t exist.
Oh yeah, Transfers can’t sign NLI’s.
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There was some Jim Carey banter but not sure if this was mentioned yet Justyn Mutts Committed to Virginia Tech
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/29342567/st-john-wing-lj-figueroa-transferring-oregon
What does "forced me to transfer" mean?
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Not sure how could back out of something that doesn’t exist.
Oh yeah, Transfers can’t sign NLI’s.
Maybe not according to you. But according to the NCAA transfers can sign an NLI.
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/29342567/st-john-wing-lj-figueroa-transferring-oregon
What does "forced me to transfer" mean?
The Johnnie Message board is trying to figure that out as well....
https://johnnyjungle.com/forum/index.php?topic=11574.msg322778#msg322778
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My guess its his public marker for a transfer exception.
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Maybe not according to you. But according to the NCAA transfers can sign an NLI.
JUCO’s but not 4 year transfers or a JUCO who previously signed a NLI.
http://www.nationalletter.org/documentLibrary/administrativeGuidelines.pdf
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/29342567/st-john-wing-lj-figueroa-transferring-oregon
What does "forced me to transfer" mean?
Considering SJU stopped recruiting a grad transfer they probably would have landed because Figueroa indicated he was returning that’s going to be a high bar to meet. Hoping SJU denies his request.
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The AZ Star recently ran an article about UA recruiting and mentioned MU as one of the other team recruiting a player that they were interested in. I think it was a post player, but don't remember the name (along with a huge list of other things that I don't remember)
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The AZ Star recently ran an article about UA recruiting and mentioned MU as one of the other team recruiting a player that they were interested in. I think it was a post player, but don't remember the name (along with a huge list of other things that I don't remember)
https://tucson.com/sports/arizonawildcats/basketball/arizona-wildcats-offer-scholarship-to-zeke-nnajis-cousin/article_7ec0a4dc-b0cf-11ea-8121-c351b25af83d.html
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He just needs you to contribute 50k each and every year to the program in order to use another. That shouldn’t be a problem, right?
Huh? Was that supposed to be funny?
Real talk tho, Chances of me (or my wife) donating much of anything to Marquette after both having paid 4 years of insane tuition fairly recently is pretty small.
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Ted Baxter -- I don't know how you did that, but thanks/
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Jeff Borzello ESPN moved DJ Carton to #2 Ranked in the Country in the Transfers Eligible Immediately Rankings
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Florida Transfer Andrew Nembhard, heard on this site his family had contact with Marquette for him or his brother, committed to Gonzaga.
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Might have been reported---Andrew Nembhard to Gonzaga.
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Did you look one post before yours?
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Huh? Was that supposed to be funny?
Real talk tho, Chances of me (or my wife) donating much of anything to Marquette after both having paid 4 years of insane tuition fairly recently is pretty small.
The point was that you have a sense of entitlement about Wojo spending a great deal of money you didn’t provide.
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Did you look one post before yours?
dont hack on Earl Tatum...he was better than you😀
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The point was that you have a sense of entitlement about Wojo spending a great deal of money you didn’t provide.
LOL!!!! I am entitled because I think a basketball program should attempt to use the 13 scholarships they are allotted per NCAA regulations? Oh man, that is rich.
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Yep, I Oops. Just missed it.
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LOL!!!! I am entitled because I think a basketball program should attempt to use the 13 scholarships they are allotted per NCAA regulations? Oh man, that is rich.
Not because you think it, but because you get butt hurt if it doesn’t happen.
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No reason to think there will be any interest from either side, but CJ Walker would be nice at Marquette. Maybe Jamil Wilson can reach out to him.
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No reason to think there will be any interest from either side, but CJ Walker would be nice at Marquette. Maybe Jamil Wilson can reach out to him.
Committed to UCF
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Per Jeff Goodman tweet @ Jeff Goodman Hoops Maryland, Georgetown, Missouri and Xavier have already reached out to Hampton transfer Ben Stanley, per source.
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Per Jeff Goodman tweet @ Jeff Goodman Hoops Maryland, Georgetown, Missouri and Xavier have already reached out to Hampton transfer Ben Stanley, per source.
Big addition to the transfer portal: Hampton sophomore forward Ben Stanley. Averaged 22 points and 7.2 boards last season.
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Interesting big man hits the portal.
https://www.al.com/alabamabasketball/2020/07/alabama-basketball-forward-enters-transfer-portal.html
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Big addition to the transfer portal: Hampton sophomore forward Ben Stanley. Averaged 22 points and 7.2 boards last season.
As we wait for the other news we hope for and want to hear and I think we will hear about Stevie :)
It was a week ago but Last week July 29th Ben Stanley committed to Xavier. Go Big East.
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Hey! Texas Tech is now only one over and if Ramsey stays in the draft they will be at the limit. It hasn't stopped them from being heavily involved with Mac McClung and Both Gach however! ;D I am starting to wonder if their continued activity is an indication that Terrance Shannon may in fact end up transferring.
Emiliano Carchia
@Carchia
· 20m
Davide Moretti’s college career is over.
The Italian guard will join Olimpia Milano on a multi-year deal.
Moretti has played three seasons with Texas Tech reaching one NCAA Final twitter.com/miskoraznatovi…
I was doing some research for a PT article that happened to lead me to look at Texas Tech's roster this season. I remember Guru and others were curious how Texas Tech was going to make room for all the transfers they were pursuing. Final results were that they removed Avery Benson's scholarship (former walk on who had played his way into the rotation and a schollie) and they "Newbilled" JC transfer Esahia Nyiwe.
Oh and Jamarius Burton did end up getting a waiver to play right away.
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I was doing some research for a PT article that happened to lead me to look at Texas Tech's roster this season. I remember Guru and others were curious how Texas Tech was going to make room for all the transfers they were pursuing. Final results were that they removed Avery Benson's scholarship (former walk on who had played his way into the rotation and a schollie) and they "Newbilled" JC transfer Esahia Nyiwe.
Oh and Jamarius Burton did end up getting a waiver to play right away.
Transfer portal can be a good source of kids who were injured during the recruiting process. Jamarius Burton and Bryce Nze a couple of good examples.