Transfer portal

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

That's not even true. Unless Luwane Pipkins going from UMass in the A-10 to Providence in the Big East and averaging double figures at both is somehow not mid to high major. He's talking out of his ass, like usual.

Rowsey?

[WhiteTrash]

I'm so happy MU's basketball program's success hinges upon grad transfers. This is a well built program.

[Pakuni]

I'm so happy MU's basketball program's success hinges upon grad transfers. This is a well built program.

Said nobody ever.

[MU82]

UNC-Charlotte is losing 4 transfers. Although several were key contributors to UNCC, none is expected to move up to a P6 conference team.

The coach, Ron Sanchez, just completed his second season. The team actually outperformed expectations this past year, going 16-13. In an interview with the Charlotte Observer, he discussed his frustrations.

"Obviously, some of the things we've been doing were good, things that hadn't been there before as a program. If that's not enough, if guys can't get excited about taking that next step with us, then I don't know what to tell them."

He said the abrupt end to the season "just produced another layer of a lack of communication from a generation that doesn't communicate well enough with coaches in the first place. They go home where their support system is, where they have people saying they understand. Then they make their decisions. ... Young people today have a lot of noise in their ears."

Besides the fact that older people have been complaining about "young people today" since before our grandparents' grandparents' grandparents' grandparents were young people, coaches have been complaining about "noise in their ears" influencing athletes since the beginning of college athletics.

I'm not sure taking shots at an entire generation of athletes will endear them to Sanchez, who is only 45 himself.

Then again, as Sanchez correctly said, "It's a trend. You know it's happening everywhere."

The previous 3 years averaged about 700 transfers. This year, Wichita State, Idaho State and Presbyterian each is losing 6. Iowa State and Holy Cross each is losing 5. Several schools, including UNCC, are losing 4.

Who knew Marquette wasn't the only school to see players transfer?

[brewcity77]

Rowsey?

Just talking about this past season.

[SaveOD238]

UNC-Charlotte is losing 4 transfers. Although several were key contributors to UNCC, none is expected to move up to a P6 conference team.

The coach, Ron Sanchez, just completed his second season. The team actually outperformed expectations this past year, going 16-13. In an interview with the Charlotte Observer, he discussed his frustrations.

"Obviously, some of the things we've been doing were good, things that hadn't been there before as a program. If that's not enough, if guys can't get excited about taking that next step with us, then I don't know what to tell them."

He said the abrupt end to the season "just produced another layer of a lack of communication from a generation that doesn't communicate well enough with coaches in the first place. They go home where their support system is, where they have people saying they understand. Then they make their decisions. ... Young people today have a lot of noise in their ears."

Besides the fact that older people have been complaining about "young people today" since before our grandparents' grandparents' grandparents' grandparents were young people, coaches have been complaining about "noise in their ears" influencing athletes since the beginning of college athletics.

I'm not sure taking shots at an entire generation of athletes will endear them to Sanchez, who is only 45 himself.

Then again, as Sanchez correctly said, "It's a trend. You know it's happening everywhere."

The previous 3 years averaged about 700 transfers. This year, Wichita State, Idaho State and Presbyterian each is losing 6. Iowa State and Holy Cross each is losing 5. Several schools, including UNCC, are losing 4.

Who knew Marquette wasn't the only school to see players transfer?

How the mighty have fallen.  43 years ago they were in the Final Four...

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

this might have been posted already, but figured it was interesting enough to post (from Jon Rothstein yesterday):

"A year ago, 14 mid-major players who averaged in double-figures during the 18-19 season opted to grad transfer to power conferences.

none averaged in double-figures last season"

Rothstein is incorrect but his overall point is a good one. Those expecting to find a new star player on the grad transfer market are likely to be disappointed. Honestly, Carlik Jones is the only one that I feel confident could become a top 2 player for a good high major at this point. It is much more likely that MU and other high major are going to find 4th/5th starters, key reserves, or minor role players on the grad transfer market.

[Pakuni]

Rothstein is incorrect but his overall point is a good one. Those expecting to find a new star player on the grad transfer market are likely to be disappointed. Honestly, Carlik Jones is the only one that I feel confident could become a top 2 player for a good high major at this point. It is much more likely that MU and other high major are going to find 4th/5th starters, key reserves, or minor role players on the grad transfer market.

Seems like a bit of a straw man argument, though. I don't think many fans of P6 programs - certainly not here - view the grad transfer market as the place to land a star. Instead, it's more of a stopgap meams to plug holes in the roster.

[Billy Hoyle]

That's not even true. Unless Luwane Pipkins going from UMass in the A-10 to Providence in the Big East and averaging double figures at both is somehow not mid to high major. He's talking out of his ass, like usual.

UMass is not a mid-major. Just because a conference is not in the P5 does not make teams in it a "mid-major."

[The Sultan]

UMass is not a mid-major. Just because a conference is not in the P5 does not make teams in it a "mid-major."

UMass is almost the definition of mid-major.

[Galway Eagle]

UMass is not a mid-major. Just because a conference is not in the P5 does not make teams in it a "mid-major."

Last time they were top 100 on Kenpom was 2014, never broke top 50 on Kenpom, 4 seasons as top 100 on Kenpom. One NCAA appearance this century. They had a nice stretch under Cal in the 90s but have never done jack outside of that. Idk what your definition is but that screams mid major if you ask me.

[The Sultan]

How the mighty have fallen.  43 years ago they were in the Final Four...

Charlotte finished ahead of Marquette in CUSA standings more often than not when they were both members.

[Pakuni]

UMass is not a mid-major. Just because a conference is not in the P5 does not make teams in it a "mid-major."

Low major?

[We R Final Four]

UMass is not a mid-major. Just because a conference is not in the P5 does not make teams in it a "mid-major."

Uh oh.....

Billy...what would you say about Gonzaga or Dayton?

[We R Final Four]

Last time they were top 100 on Kenpom was 2014, never broke top 50 on Kenpom, 4 seasons as top 100 on Kenpom. One NCAA appearance this century. They had a nice stretch under Cal in the 90s but have never done jack outside of that. Idk what your definition is but that screams mid major if you ask me.

Is the term mid major not defined by conference affiliation, rather based upon Kenpom and recent success?

[We R Final Four]

How the mighty have fallen.  43 years ago they were in the Final Four...

Haha...well done.
Just watched Cornbread Maxwell and co. earlier today as a matter of fact!

[Galway Eagle]

Is the term mid major not defined by conference affiliation, rather based upon Kenpom and recent success?

Depends some people include Gonzaga and the like. Then there's the question of the AAC (or A10 and MWC in the old days when they were good). No matter how you cut it though it seems pretty obvious to me that UMass is a mid major by any measure

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

Charlotte finished ahead of Marquette in CUSA standings more often than not when they were both members.

Bring back Bobby Lutz

[We R Final Four]

What about UConn?

High major
Then mid major...
Then one day in the near future they will be high major again...

[MU82]

Though I've enjoyed all the UNCC references, my comment wasn't "about" UNCC. It was about transfers.

But sure ... who doesn't love the name Cornbread Maxwell? Hell of a player, too!

[muguru]

This would "seem" to be a final list for Justin Turner...

Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
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1h
Bowling Green grad transfer Justin Turner (18.8 ppg) told me he has the following schools on his list:

Louisville, Texas Tech, Marquette, Iowa State,  Missouri, Georgia, Alabama, UConn

[wadesworld]

Does anybody know how common it is for transfers and grad transfers to make visits to schools before decisions? If so, this could be a very long, drawn out process. It will be interesting to see how coaches handle that. If they have a kid higher on their priority list but know they'll have some tough competition for him, and there's another kid who wants to come but they would only have room for one addition, that can make for some tough decisions for a coach.

[genious expert]

This would "seem" to be a final list for Justin Turner...

Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
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1h
Bowling Green grad transfer Justin Turner (18.8 ppg) told me he has the following schools on his list:

Louisville, Texas Tech, Marquette, Iowa State,  Missouri, Georgia, Alabama, UConn

His brother replied to Goodman's tweet with:


Roy P.
‏ @Bruce__Leroy__
Replying to @GoodmanHoops

Schools he is talking to the most are....Arkansas...Missouri...Marquette..Louisville...Xavier...

https://twitter.com/Bruce__Leroy__/status/1243263496726462464

[Billy Hoyle]

Uh oh.....

Billy...what would you say about Gonzaga or Dayton?

Like I said, it is not determined by not being in a Power 5 conference.

Gonzaga, BYU, not "mid-majors" despite being in a non-Power 5 conference and even though the WCC is a mid-major conference.  I don't consider the A10 as a mid-major conference either. Some teams in that conference may be (Fordham) but if a conference regularly gets more than 2 bids it's not a mid-major, IMO. The Valley is a mid-major conference but Wichita State transcended that label before leaving, like Gonzaga and BYU.

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

Like I said, it is not determined by not being in a Power 5 conference.

Gonzaga, BYU, not "mid-majors" despite being in a non-Power 5 conference and even though the WCC is a mid-major conference.  I don't consider the A10 as a mid-major conference either. Some teams in that conference may be (Fordham) but if a conference regularly gets more than 2 bids it's not a mid-major, IMO. The Valley is a mid-major conference but Wichita State transcended that label before leaving, like Gonzaga and BYU.

I would define a mid major as a conference that  only gets its conference tourney winner into the tournament year in and year out.