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Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 21, 2020, 02:53:32 PM
Next season, year 7, "should be a very important evaluation tool."

You're kidding right, sarcasm, huh?

10 years to judge!

HutchwasClutch


GoldenDieners32

Alex OConnell from Duke is transferring

wadesworld

Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 21, 2020, 02:53:25 PM
But this is the exact scenario of last year.  How is he supposed to recruit, etc?  If this is as bad as you are portraying, we should fire him now.

His extension was for 2 years.

Elonsmusk

Quote from: MU82 on March 21, 2020, 02:46:06 PM
You would have fired a coach who won 20 games in his second season, had just successfully recruited and coached a 5-star who went on to be drafted in the first round, and had a top-25 class coming in that included Markus Howard and Sam Hauser? Really? Impressive.

Yes. I'd seen plenty to know he didn't have it. We missed the NiT that year. 20 wins?  Big deal.

Would have put feelers out behind the scenes to see if any proven coaches had interest. If not, would have promoted Stan at that time and we keep Markus.

End of the day, what has keeping Wojo accomplished?  No NCAA wins. But there was that NIT quarterfinal appearance.

Now heading into Year 7, we are poised to take another step back. 

wadesworld

Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 21, 2020, 03:22:48 PM
Yes. I'd seen plenty to know he didn't have it. We missed the NiT that year. 20 wins?  Big deal.

Would have put feelers out behind the scenes to see if any proven coaches had interest. If not, would have promoted Stan at that time and we keep Markus.

End of the day, what has keeping Wojo accomplished?  No NCAA wins. But there was that NIT quarterfinal appearance.

Now heading into Year 7, we are poised to take another step back.

Lol. Fire your head coach 2 years in. Hire his assistant of 1 year.

:o

Elonsmusk

Quote from: pettyworld on March 21, 2020, 03:24:22 PM
Lol. Fire your head coach 2 years in. Hire his assistant of 1 year.

:o

When you know you know Wades. Just like I knew Buzz was the goods 10 games in.

Slow to hire. Fast to fire. Best to be prudent before extending an offer, but once you realize a hire doesn't have it - best to move on immediately.

MU82

Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 21, 2020, 03:22:48 PM
Yes. I'd seen plenty to know he didn't have it. We missed the NiT that year. 20 wins?  Big deal.

Would have put feelers out behind the scenes to see if any proven coaches had interest. If not, would have promoted Stan at that time and we keep Markus.


Do you have proof that is what you advocated during and/or after the 2015-16 season? If so, I'm really impressed. If you don't have proof, please stop making claims today about what you would have done 4 years ago.

Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 21, 2020, 02:53:32 PM
Next season, year 7, "should be a very important evaluation tool."

You're kidding right, sarcasm, huh? 

I am speaking from the prism of having just come off of Year 6.

Year 7 is the next season. And no, I would not extend his contract until seeing what he accomplishes in Year 7.

I think you don't understand how I feel about Wojo, even though I have stated it clearly.

He has made the NCAAs in 3 of the last 4 years, but he followed a year that ended in collapse with another year that ended in collapse. The second year clearly was regression from the one before. Those obviously are bad signs. Further regression should lead to his dismissal.

You might believe he should be dismissed now. Him getting fired today would not break my heart, I assure you. But I am realistic enough to know that it simply is not going to happen.

So I look ahead to next season -- after which, I believe the administration will have to decide to either extend his contract or fire him.

Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 21, 2020, 02:53:25 PM
But this is the exact scenario of last year.

It's not.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

IrwinFletcher

Out of curiosity, what did the pro-Stan crowd see in him outside of recruiting?  Was he not on the bench right next to Wojo when all these bad decisions were being made? Wasn't he in the locker room 12 months ago when things erupted?  Was he not at practice when no one was being coached up and no game plan was being installed?

I am not sure why we would want to hire the top assistant of the worst coach in college basketball.

MU82

Quote from: IrwinFletcher on March 21, 2020, 04:07:16 PM
Out of curiosity, what did the pro-Stan crowd see in him outside of recruiting?  Was he not on the bench right next to Wojo when all these bad decisions were being made? Wasn't he in the locker room 12 months ago when things erupted?  Was he not at practice when no one was being coached up and no game plan was being installed?

I am not sure why we would want to hire the top assistant of the worst coach in college basketball history.

FIFY
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

The Sultan

Giving an extension isn't a problem as long as the buy out is low.  But I don't think Wojo's is.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

brewcity77

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 21, 2020, 04:42:46 PM
Giving an extension isn't a problem as long as the buy out is low.  But I don't think Wojo's is.

That's exactly why you give an extension.

Elonsmusk

Quote from: MU82 on March 21, 2020, 04:05:05 PM
Do you have proof that is what you advocated during and/or after the 2015-16 season? If so, I'm really impressed. If you don't have proof, please stop making claims today about what you would have done 4 years ago.


82 - I've been banned from Scoop 5 times, 4 of which centered around being critical of Wojo and not relenting from that criticism despite the perpetual support you, Wades, TAMU, Tower, Sultan, Brew offered up in those early years.

Rocky has the ban hammer and he's also been a strong supporter/advocate for Wojo.

You know I wanted him gone early. It was myself and Herman Cain that beat that drum loudest and we got banned and shouted down for sounding the alarm.  Is what it is.

That all being said, Wojo exceeded my expectations this past season. The implosion down the stretch ultimately eroded the little optimism I gained. I've tried to resign myself to being content with bubble team status for the sake of some harmony here.  Yet hard to do so when we've been been passed by Providence, Seton Hall, Creighton and all the other new admits to the revised Big East - Butler and X.


wadesworld

Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 21, 2020, 05:16:07 PM
82 - I've been banned from Scoop 5 times, 4 of which centered around being critical of Wojo and not relenting from that criticism despite the perpetual support you, Wades, TAMU, Tower, Sultan, Brew offered up in those early years.

Rocky has the ban hammer and he's also been a strong supporter/advocate for Wojo.

You know I wanted him gone early. It was myself and Herman Cain that beat that drum loudest and we got banned and shouted down for sounding the alarm.  Is what it is.

That all being said, Wojo exceeded my expectations this past season. The implosion down the stretch ultimately eroded the little optimism I gained. I've tried to resign myself to being content with bubble team status for the sake of some harmony here.  Yet hard to do so when we've been been passed by Providence, Seton Hall, Creighton and all the other new admits to the revised Big East - Butler and X.

Says it all.

MikeDeanesDarkGlasses

Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 21, 2020, 05:16:07 PM
82 - I've been banned from Scoop 5 times, 4 of which centered around being critical of Wojo and not relenting from that criticism despite the perpetual support you, Wades, TAMU, Tower, Sultan, Brew offered up in those early years.

Rocky has the ban hammer and he's also been a strong supporter/advocate for Wojo.

You know I wanted him gone early. It was myself and Herman Cain that beat that drum loudest and we got banned and shouted down for sounding the alarm.  Is what it is.

That all being said, Wojo exceeded my expectations this past season. The implosion down the stretch ultimately eroded the little optimism I gained. I've tried to resign myself to being content with bubble team status for the sake of some harmony here.  Yet hard to do so when we've been been passed by Providence, Seton Hall, Creighton and all the other new admits to the revised Big East - Butler and X.

Lay off..... Wojo is a nice guy.  Nice Guys finish first at MU these days.  It's about attitude, image, and whatever Kenpom stats you can find to support the failed narrative.


muguru

Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on March 21, 2020, 06:20:41 PM
Lay off..... Wojo is a nice guy.  Nice Guys finish first at MU these days.  It's about attitude, image, and whatever Kenpom stats you can find to support the failed narrative.

You forgot...his kids graduate and represent the University well. #winsnomatta
"Being realistic is the most common path to mediocrity." Will Smith

We live in a society that rewards mediocrity , I detest mediocrity - David Goggi

I want this quote to serve as a reminder to the vast majority of scoop posters in regards to the MU BB program.

Mr. Sand-Knit

Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on March 21, 2020, 02:58:50 PM
Alex OConnell from Duke is transferring
Wow
That kid is good!!  Did notice he got lost in shuffle at times tho
Political free board, plz leave your clever quips in your clever mind.

Mr. Sand-Knit

Political free board, plz leave your clever quips in your clever mind.

MikeDeanesDarkGlasses

Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on March 21, 2020, 06:42:35 PM
Is this idiot chicos?

No, he's the guy that holds the video camera when Wojo pays a late night visit. 

WarhawkWarrior

If I am forced to read one more anti-Wojo post on a Trasfer portal thread I'm gone from Scoop. 

Elonsmusk

Quote from: pettyworld on March 21, 2020, 06:03:21 PM
Says it all.

That having intuition and accurate foresight is a bad thing? 

That aside, sorry you bet on the wrong horse in Wojo, Wades. If I was trying to handicap volleyball coaches, no doubt I'd be clueless - much like you are in basketball.

The difference between you and me?  I don't assert supreme knowledge in a sport that I really don't know much about.  In fact I don't even try, which is why you don't find me posting in the Superbar about NFL, Baseball, Hockey, etc.

Yet, I've browsed some of those threads and there you are - getting in arguments consistently.

In reality you really should be the poster getting banned.


Elonsmusk

Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on March 21, 2020, 02:58:50 PM
Alex OConnell from Duke is transferring

Perhaps K does Wojo a solid and puts in strong recommendation. We are gonna need all the help we can get next year.

wadesworld

Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 21, 2020, 07:35:48 PM
That having intuition and accurate foresight is a bad thing? 

That aside, sorry you bet on the wrong horse in Wojo, Wades. If I was trying to handicap volleyball coaches, no doubt I'd be clueless - much like you are in basketball.

The difference between you and me?  I don't assert supreme knowledge in a sport that I really don't know much about.  In fact I don't even try, which is why you don't find me posting in the Superbar about NFL, Baseball, Hockey, etc.

Yet, I've browsed some of those threads and there you are - getting in arguments consistently.

In reality you really should be the poster getting banned.

And if I got banned I would not have come back 5 different times lol. Like I said, says it all.

The Sultan

Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 21, 2020, 05:16:07 PM
82 - I've been banned from Scoop 5 times, 4 of which centered around being critical of Wojo and not relenting from that criticism despite the perpetual support you, Wades, TAMU, Tower, Sultan, Brew offered up in those early years.

Rocky has the ban hammer and he's also been a strong supporter/advocate for Wojo.




False. You've been banned because you're an unrelenting a$$hole who doesn't know when to stfu.

Talk about lack of self-awareness.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

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