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Loose Cannon

Quote from: ManeCity83 on February 09, 2020, 03:52:01 PM
Ryan Conway, MU's latest offer and recruit in today's house, is only 6' and 160#.

https://twitter.com/CoachLochte/status/1226267303177834511/photo/1

Sounds like a Taller Markus to me.
" Love is Space and Time measured by the Heart. "  M Proust

NickelDimer

Incredible gameplan by Wojo & company and best team performance of the season. That lineup of Koby, GE, Anim, BB and Theo was an absolute wall defensively. Great size and athleticism. This is what I hoped for/looked forward to with the departure of the Hausers.
No Finish Line

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Quote from: brewcity77 on February 09, 2020, 04:49:28 PM
My issue is fouling in games that are unquestionably over. Why direct your team to commit wholly unnecessary fouls? Fouling the guy who's made more free throws than anyone else in the country when you're down NINETEEN with 2:42 to play? There's no winnable scenario there. It's just pointless aggressive play with no positive end goal.

Maybe it's two isolated scenarios, but I can't remember a team consistently fouling well after the game was no longer in doubt. I'm not saying the players are dirty, I don't think they are, but continuing to direct that kind of contact can lead to injury, intended or not.

Today I felt it was a last ditch effort to get some momentum change.  They moved on both because we hit free throws and their guys were in foul trouble.  Don't fault him for trying.

The Sultan

Quote from: brewcity77 on February 09, 2020, 04:49:28 PM
My issue is fouling in games that are unquestionably over. Why direct your team to commit wholly unnecessary fouls? Fouling the guy who's made more free throws than anyone else in the country when you're down NINETEEN with 2:42 to play? There's no winnable scenario there. It's just pointless aggressive play with no positive end goal.

Maybe it's two isolated scenarios, but I can't remember a team consistently fouling well after the game was no longer in doubt. I'm not saying the players are dirty, I don't think they are, but continuing to direct that kind of contact can lead to injury, intended or not.

It isn't a good strategy.  But it's not a dirty tactic, and it certainly doesn't mean Jordan is a "dirty coach."
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

🏀

He was fouling way too late. Given their history, I have a feeling there is a pattern.

Daniel

Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 09, 2020, 01:28:38 PM
That was a great win. Perhaps our best yet. Balanced effort offensively. Strong D.

45% from 3

28 Free throws attempted, only 8 yielded.

Peak performance.

This.   Great team win on both ends of the floor. Bailey outstanding. Kobe great!  Go Marquette!

mileskishnish72

Quote from: tower912 on February 09, 2020, 01:13:41 PM
1.   Had a very pleasant NMD experience.   About 25 of us.   
2.   If anybody complains about anything this game, they are a complete and utter moron and/or loser.
3.   Hack a Jayce and made them pay.   
4.   A week of rest and refocus led to fresh legs and inspired play.
5.   Nobody can accuse Markus of forcing it today. 
6.   OK, maybe Sacar forced some stuff.   More importantly, some good shots didn't go.   
7.  Jayce> Theo today
8.   Revenge is sweet.   Next.

2. Have to complain about something - Koby dribbling, dribbling, dribbling into trouble.
3. Jayce's FT form looks MUCH better than earlier this season. It looked like a shot-put formerly, and now he's got some wrist action.
7. And most days lately. Think grad transfer again for "backup."

Can this table be run? Let's go!

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: brewcity77 on February 09, 2020, 04:49:28 PM
My issue is fouling in games that are unquestionably over. Why direct your team to commit wholly unnecessary fouls? Fouling the guy who's made more free throws than anyone else in the country when you're down NINETEEN with 2:42 to play? There's no winnable scenario there. It's just pointless aggressive play with no positive end goal.

Maybe it's two isolated scenarios, but I can't remember a team consistently fouling well after the game was no longer in doubt. I'm not saying the players are dirty, I don't think they are, but continuing to direct that kind of contact can lead to injury, intended or not.

I get what you are saying, but I think this is more of an example of playing without the scoreboard in mind then a dirty tactic.
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jsglow

Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 09, 2020, 01:46:03 PM
Read the Butler board.

They obviously hated the officiating.

More surprising is how much they apparently hate us.

Markus, Wojo and Theo taking bullets from all angles

A few shots tossed at Koby even.

Interesting.  Because they wouldn't be in the BEast were it not for us.  A simple Thank You would suffice.

jsglow

Quote from: brewcity77 on February 09, 2020, 02:43:30 PM
I'm curious for others take on this: I think Lavall Jordan is a dirty coach.

After the under-4 timeout, trailing by 14, they tried to intentionally foul Sacar, then intentionally fouled Jayce. I get it, their only theoretical way back in was for us to have empty trips and them to keep scoring, but this is a trend. The game was effectively over. They fouled Jayce three times spanning that timeout. They even fouled Markus in the backcourt down 19 with 2:42 to play.

The last time I saw a team so blatantly fouling in a game that was obviously lost was Butler last year when Howard got injured in this same game.

Is this a coincidence? Has anyone else paid close enough attention to Butler to see if they do this in other blowout losses? Fouling Jayce, even when the game is pretty much over, is one thing. Fouling Howard, who leads the country in free throws made? WTF, Lavall?

Disagree brew.  Butler's press was effective.  They forced passes to Jayce and immediately fouled.  He made 'em pay so great for him.  Also Jordan emptied the bench with more than 2 minutes to go.  Wojo looked up and then looked down the sidelines toward him.  Butler played it all just fine.

Skatastrophy

Quote from: mileskishnish72 on February 09, 2020, 05:22:32 PM
2. Have to complain about something - Koby dribbling, dribbling, dribbling into trouble.

He chains bad possessions. He'll dribble into trouble and turn it over, then he'll try to make up for it on the defensive end and end up fouling, and he'll try to make up for *that* by really forcing it on offense.

He's a nice player, and I look forward to him improving his mental game.

CTWarrior

Quote from: Cheeks on February 09, 2020, 01:15:14 PM
I though MH forced 3 or 4 shots, but Wojo had a chat with and he stopped.

Great team win.
I would have said 2 or 3 rather than 3 or 4, but you're right that he did force a couple and that it stopped after the Wojo chat.  I much prefer when we are more balanced like this.  Butler did a great job guarding Markus and the rest of the guys stepped up.
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Hobbes:  What's misunderstood about you?
Calvin:  Nobody thinks I'm a genius.

NCMUFan

Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 09, 2020, 01:35:37 PM
Wonder what would have happened if game was tied/we were behind at that time?

Nonetheless, nice to see Wojo finally take this action. Better late than never.
If Wojo would of had that chat with Markus the first Butler game it would of been a W for us.


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Quote from: muhoops1 on February 09, 2020, 03:37:46 PM
Bailey was a stud today.  The guy I thought they signed a few years ago.  He's getting a feel for the game again and his shot was falling.  Almost had a double double.  LaVall works the officials and is borderline a lot of the time in my opinion.  Could have picked up a second T,

I was really worried about Bailey after the first ten games of the season.  Man has he proved me wrong.  He is having a breakout year and was huge today!
"If a player leaves Marquette and doesn't have some of my blood in him, then I don't think I've done a good job."  Al McGuire

Cheeks

Quote from: NCMUFan on February 09, 2020, 06:47:49 PM
If Wojo would of had that chat with Markus the first Butler game it would of been a W for us.

Maybe, maybe not.  Impossible to know
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Mr. Sand-Knit

Quote from: JWags85 on February 09, 2020, 02:23:43 PM
I don't care for them, but they had a long history of success in the 00s. Collier to Matta had Butler humming then Lickliter kept it going. He had a few mediocre years but still made 2 S16s in 5 years.  4 in a decade across 2 coaches in a conference like the Horizon is incredibly impressive. They were more deserving than Creighton based on results

More deserving in regards to investment into the program n national success in sports or being BE ready in general? Hell no they were Horizon league in every aspect, still are in reality. 
Political free board, plz leave your clever quips in your clever mind.

muguru

Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on February 09, 2020, 07:24:24 PM
More deserving in regards to investment into the program n national success in sports or being BE ready in general? Hell no they were Horizon league in every aspect, still are in reality.

So, not much different then DePaul...right?? They aren't Big East worthy either.  8-)
"Being realistic is the most common path to mediocrity." Will Smith

We live in a society that rewards mediocrity , I detest mediocrity - David Goggi

I want this quote to serve as a reminder to the vast majority of scoop posters in regards to the MU BB program.

Mr. Sand-Knit

Quote from: muguru on February 09, 2020, 08:27:36 PM
So, not much different then DePaul...right?? They aren't Big East worthy either.  8-)

More like a Dayton
Political free board, plz leave your clever quips in your clever mind.

GoldenZebra

LaVall Jordan complained about the FT discrepancy today then admitted Butler "just has to fight through that" and yet when MU played Butler earlier this year they shot a ton more FTs than MU.

mug644

Quote from: jsglow on February 09, 2020, 05:36:56 PM
Disagree brew.  Butler's press was effective.  They forced passes to Jayce and immediately fouled.  He made 'em pay so great for him.  Also Jordan emptied the bench with more than 2 minutes to go.  Wojo looked up and then looked down the sidelines toward him.  Butler played it all just fine.

I totally agree with this take, and would say that MU did not handle the press so well. Seemed like players, especially Markus, picked up their dribble to quickly. I thought Jayce came back to receive a pass well, and, yes, he made Butler pay for fouling him. (To me, the most striking stat of the day is that Markus missed more free throws than Jayce.)

MU82

Our wonderful win just had nice 2-minute run on SportsCenter. Also featured in The Lead on bottom line.
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mug644

Quote from: MU82 on February 09, 2020, 10:39:53 PM
Our wonderful win just had nice 2-minute run on SportsCenter. Also featured in The Lead on bottom line.

One of the benefits of being ranked...today, Butler got coverage because they are ranked (and got beat by MU); this week, MU will get that coverage, as I expect we will be ranked tomorrow afternoon.

Marcus92

Marquette had 16 assists as a team -- including 6 from Koby, 3 each from Markus and Sacar and 2 from Symir. That's the highest total in Big East play so far this season. It's great to see such good ball movement and everyone getting involved. Marquette also had its best defensive game since the Villanova win. Hope we can keep it rolling.
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MU82

Quote from: mug644 on February 09, 2020, 10:45:41 PM
One of the benefits of being ranked...today, Butler got coverage because they are ranked (and got beat by MU); this week, MU will get that coverage, as I expect we will be ranked tomorrow afternoon.

Yep. Butler didn't lose because they were ranked. Always better to be ranked. Always.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

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