NCAA investigations cont.

[wadesworld]

Daniel Wallach
@WALLACHLEGAL
NEW: Zion Williamson's former marketing agent has served requests for admission in their lawsuit asking him to admit that he received "money, benefits, favors or other things of value" to attend Duke University and to wear and/or use Nike and Adidas.

Wow. That escalated quickly.

https://247sports.com/Article/Zion-Williamson-former-marketing-agent-lawsuit-alleges-received-money-benefits-Duke-Nike-Adidas-147006166/Amp/?__twitter_impression=true

That is about the least surprising thing I've read on the internet since the turn of the new year.

But people think that players with 6 digit offers from other schools are choosing to play for Cal or K for free. 

[Billy Hoyle]

On the one hand, I get it.  But I think there are too many D1 schools already, and 75% of them don't move the needle whatsoever.  So I'm not sure they deserve an equal share of the NCAA pot.

They don't get an equal share. It's based upon earned tourney units. The more teams in and the more wins equals more earned units.

The SWAC gets one unit if their team is a one and done. The BE gets six teams in do they get six plus one more for each win. Nova brought six units back to the conference alone in 2016 and 2018 (champ doesn't get an extra unit). Then the conference decides how to distribute. Some do equal, some give significantly more to the school that earns it (e.g., A10 gives 75% to the s Joel that earns each unit).

[bilsu]

I don't disagree with you at all..I mean I don't really care about the Fordham's or the Savnnah St's of the world, and this is why I have always been a proponent of "splitting up" the D1 schools. I have said it before, let the smaller schools have their own "division" so to speak, and let the larger, more powerful schools have their own. All under the same Umbrella, but just separate. Not unlike D2 or D3, all under the same NCAA umbrella, but different levels.

I have always wanted an NCAA tournament with the best 64 teams in the country take the top 6 leagues in BB(Sec, BXII, Big ten, BE etc) and the tournament is played with those teams. Then the mid/low majors(The A-10, Missouri Valley, Southern etc) have their own tournament as well. That way, those schools can at least think they have a chance to win an NCAA championship. They have no shot now.

Except that the larger more powerful schools have football. Goodbye Big East.

[WarriorDad]

At least someone is getting rich off amateurism.

Do you believe the women's soccer team are amateurs?  How about the men's tennis team?

[Uncle Rico]

Do you believe the women's soccer team are amateurs?  How about the men's tennis team?

I believe they should be able to earn off their name, image and likeness like any other student athlete.

[WarriorDad]

There isn't one.  Never has been.  There are rules but a level playing field means everyone has the same resources, facilities and so on.

Which is impossible.  Even in the pros with a salary cap one can say the weather is better in San Diego than Chicago.  One pro team plays in a brand new building, another one doesn't. There is no way to make a truly level playing field in college or pro sports. 

Fans refer to a level playing field as it relates to eligibility and recruiting rules.

[Uncle Rico]

Which is impossible.  Even in the pros with a salary cap one can say the weather is better in San Diego than Chicago.  One pro team plays in a brand new building, another one doesn't. There is no way to make a truly level playing field in college or pro sports. 

Fans refer to a level playing field as it relates to eligibility and recruiting rules.

They'll be disappointed.  Pretty safe bet their preferred school stretches those rules themselves

[The Sultan]

They don't get an equal share. It's based upon earned tourney units. The more teams in and the more wins equals more earned units.

The SWAC gets one unit if their team is a one and done. The BE gets six teams in do they get six plus one more for each win. Nova brought six units back to the conference alone in 2016 and 2018 (champ doesn't get an extra unit). Then the conference decides how to distribute. Some do equal, some give significantly more to the school that earns it (e.g., A10 gives 75% to the s Joel that earns each unit).

You aren't reading the thread correctly. Equal shares was guru's idea.

[WarriorDad]

I believe they should be able to earn off their name, image and likeness like any other student athlete.

Do you believe they are amateurs?

[Uncle Rico]

Do you believe they are amateurs?

Yes

[Dawson Rental]

There isn't a level playing field in any sport, though.  There certainly isn't in the NCAA.  I guess the idea or presenting the notion there is sounds good in theory but there has never been a level playing field in college athletics

Okay, a leveler playing field then.

I certainly don't want Marquette to give up its advantages such as a top flight NBA arena to play in, availability of a private plane for recruiting, etc.

[Dawson Rental]

On the one hand, I get it.  But I think there are too many D1 schools already, and 75% of them don't move the needle whatsoever.  So I'm not sure they deserve an equal share of the NCAA pot.

Not even Chicago State?

I agree that most Division I basketball programs shouldn't revenue share.  Just think of the rush of schools joining Division I, if that went into effect.

[MU82]

This could get fun ...

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/article242637771.html?

The legal battle between Zion Williamson and his former agent in a Florida court now includes allegations he received impermissible benefits prior to his one season playing basketball at Duke.

According to court documents filed Wednesday in Miami, Gina Ford of Prime Sports Marketing claims, without presenting evidence, that Williamson and his parents "demanded and received gifts, money and/or other benefits from persons on behalf of Duke University (directly and/or indirectly) to influence you to attend Duke University to play basketball."

Ford's claims are included in several requests for admission, a discovery tool in civil cases used to establish facts under oath. Williamson has 30 days to respond.

[muguru]

Daniel Wallach

@WALLACHLEGAL
·
4h


Here are 3 explosive new allegations in the Zion Williamson case.

1.  Marketing agent met with Zion's parents in Jan. 2019 (while he was still a student-athlete)

2. Brokered by a Zion friend who says Gina Ford promised him a 5% cut.

3. $100K wired to stepfather in April 2019

[MU82]

Daniel Wallach

@WALLACHLEGAL
·
4h


Here are 3 explosive new allegations in the Zion Williamson case.

1.  Marketing agent met with Zion's parents in Jan. 2019 (while he was still a student-athlete)

2. Brokered by a Zion friend who says Gina Ford promised him a 5% cut.

3. $100K wired to stepfather in April 2019

Yep ... this could spell trouble for North Carolina A&T!

[jesmu84]

Yep ... this could spell trouble for North Carolina A&T!

Nah. Duke will probably get hit with punishments. In 2027. After the wins. After the money. After everyone involved has moved on. After the fans got to celebrate the success.

[Uncle Rico]

Nah. Duke will probably get hit with punishments. In 2027. After the wins. After the money. After everyone involved has moved on. After the fans got to celebrate the success.

But everyone will have learned a valuable lesson

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

Daniel Wallach

@WALLACHLEGAL
·
4h


Here are 3 explosive new allegations in the Zion Williamson case.

1.  Marketing agent met with Zion's parents in Jan. 2019 (while he was still a student-athlete)

2. Brokered by a Zion friend who says Gina Ford promised him a 5% cut.

3. $100K wired to stepfather in April 2019

4.  Zion got special shoes, which exploded.

[Billy Hoyle]

Daniel Wallach

@WALLACHLEGAL
·
4h


Here are 3 explosive new allegations in the Zion Williamson case.

1.  Marketing agent met with Zion's parents in Jan. 2019 (while he was still a student-athlete)

2. Brokered by a Zion friend who says Gina Ford promised him a 5% cut.

3. $100K wired to stepfather in April 2019

1. Just meeting with a marketing agent is not impermissible;

2. This could be a problem but only if an agreement for representation was reached (verbally or in writing) or they marketed him to organizations/companies with his knowledge;

3. This would be the smoking gun. There will be records of a wire transfer.

[jesmu84]

1. Just meeting with a marketing agent is not impermissible;

2. This could be a problem but only if an agreement for representation was reached (verbally or in writing) or they marketed him to organizations/companies with his knowledge;

3. This would be the smoking gun. There will be records of a wire transfer.

None of that is even close to a problem for Duke/K/Zion as long as he has "plausible deniability" ala Cam Newton, correct?

[wadesworld]

None of that is even close to a problem for Duke/K/Zion as long as he has "plausible deniability" ala Cam Newton, correct?

Even if there isn't plausible deniability, there is no way Duke basketball is getting punished in any meaningful way by the NCAA.

[WhiteTrash]

Even if there isn't plausible deniability, there is no way Duke basketball is getting punished in any meaningful way by the NCAA.

I agree but it takes a little shine off the Duke brand. I thought they did things the right way.

[drewm88]

Zion's college career ended in March 2019, so the alleged wire transfer came after.

[muguru]

1. Just meeting with a marketing agent is not impermissible;

2. This could be a problem but only if an agreement for representation was reached (verbally or in writing) or they marketed him to organizations/companies with his knowledge;

3. This would be the smoking gun. There will be records of a wire transfer.

As far as the 100k goes, notice it says in April of 2019...is that even a problem since that is AFTER the season and his eligibility was up at that point anyway??

[MU82]

I agree but it takes a little shine off the Duke brand.

Maybe for you or me or other fans. But I doubt this would make many (if any) recruits who had been hoping and dreaming to play for Duke decide to go elsewhere. And I doubt they'll be ESPN's featured game any less. And I doubt they will be invited to fewer prestigious in-season events. Etc, etc, etc.