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Trap Game

Started by wadesworld, January 30, 2020, 10:28:49 AM

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Elonsmusk

Quote from: WhoaJoe2020 on January 30, 2020, 12:26:45 PM
Has it ever occurred to you that people are just calling it like they see it.???

Do you really think Marquette may not have a let down after that X game???

Do you really think people pointing to Markus being injured are making excuses???

The more likely truth, is  that you're attempting to dismiss legitimate reasons a loss might not be so startling so you can rant about how bad it was and how bad Wojo is.

You're actions are transparent and a little pathetic.

You're on a roll today..calling out in others what you are yourself.

As for the other content in this post - If you, or the original poster were actually legitimately confident in Wojo's ability as a coach, this kind of thinking would never enter into the equation.

It is Year 6.  Home game.  Playing the last place team in Big East.  Next year we'll have to play without Markus and Sacar.  Trajectory is pointing up, right?  Why in God's name shouldn't we be ready to play Saturday, and expect to win - if not for insecurity in our coach?

WhoaJoe2020

Quote from: Elonsmusk on January 30, 2020, 02:33:40 PM
You're on a roll today..calling out in others what you are yourself.

As for the other content in this post - If you, or the original poster were actually legitimately confident in Wojo's ability as a coach, this kind of thinking would never enter into the equation.

It is Year 6.  Home game.  Playing the last place team in Big East.  Next year we'll have to play without Markus and Sacar.  Trajectory is pointing up, right?  Why in God's name shouldn't we be ready to play Saturday, and expect to win - if not for insecurity in our coach?

If by saying I'm "on a roll" you mean I'm steamrolling over the weak attempts at minimizing the X win and the set ups to exaggerate a potential DePaul loss, then yes.....I am on a roll.

BM1090

Concerns for this game would be 1. Rebounding 2. Assuming Markus plays, DePaul really has nobody for him to guard except Moore and I think Moore could roast him quite a bit. 3. Brendan is going to get pushed around by Reed or Butz but our 4 out offense will force at least one of them to guard the perimeter so that's less of a concern.

MikeDeanesDarkGlasses

Quote from: Daniel on January 30, 2020, 10:45:27 AM
DePaul gave Seaton  Hall  a scare last night.  You cannot look past DePaul. They are fast and rebound well.

DePaul will give MU fits much like Providence did.  In fact, DePaul might be higher energy on defense.  The problem with them is that they make a lot of errors on offense.   If DePaul actually had a sound, offense - they'd be top 3 in the conference, maybe even #1.

Goose

My concern with DePaul game is limiting our turnovers and transition D. We do not fare well against that are aggressive on offensive side of the ball. Truth be told, I think DePaul is better team than 3-5 teams in BE overall, not just a given night. Now, it is a game that should be won by MU, especially at home.

hairy worthen

Quote from: Goose on January 30, 2020, 05:17:47 PM
My concern with DePaul game is limiting our turnovers and transition D. We do not fare well against that are aggressive on offensive side of the ball. Truth be told, I think DePaul is better team than 3-5 teams in BE overall, not just a given night. Now, it is a game that should be won by MU, especially at home.
My guess is we win a close game at home. Not a cake walk by any means. I think DePaul then wins at home.

WhoaJoe2020

Quote from: Goose on January 30, 2020, 05:17:47 PM
My concern with DePaul game is limiting our turnovers and transition D. We do not fare well against that are aggressive on offensive side of the ball. Truth be told, I think DePaul is better team than 3-5 teams in BE overall, not just a given night. Now, it is a game that should be won by MU, especially at home.

I don't understand why it's a game Marquette "should" win.

The team is coming off back to back overtime games, the last being double overtime.

The teams leading scorer is injured and will be limited if he plays at all.

The team is short on depth with Eds departure and Gregs availability doubtful.

DePaul has shown it has some talent, competing very well @ Seton Hall.

Could Marquette win?? Sure.

Should Marquette win?? I'm not so sure.

Pakuni

Quote from: WhoaJoe2020 on January 30, 2020, 05:46:53 PM
Should Marquette win?? I'm not so sure.

Yes, Marquette should win. Especially if Markus plays.
Why? Because Marquette is the better team playing at home.

Loose Cannon

Quote from: WhoaJoe2020 on January 30, 2020, 05:46:53 PM
I don't understand why it's a game Marquette "should" win.

The team is coming off back to back overtime games, the last being double overtime.

The teams leading scorer is injured and will be limited if he plays at all.

The team is short on depth with Eds departure and Gregs availability doubtful.

DePaul has shown it has some talent, competing very well @ Seton Hall.

Could Marquette win?? Sure.

Should Marquette win?? I'm not so sure.

Seems reasonable to me.
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WhoaJoe2020

Quote from: Pakuni on January 30, 2020, 05:52:33 PM
Yes, Marquette should win. Especially if Markus plays.
Why? Because Marquette is the better team playing at home.

At full strength, I would agree, and it would still be tough.

MikeDeanesDarkGlasses

Quote from: WhoaJoe2020 on January 30, 2020, 06:16:09 PM
At full strength, I would agree, and it would still be tough.

There's a lot of insight here.....

Shooter McGavin

Again,  this is a must win game IF they are going to be an above average team in the Big East with a winning record.  Need to win the winnable games at home when you are the better, more experienced team with designs on doing damage in the tournament. It may be ugly but MU will hopefully win a close game and get a well deserved break.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: WhoaJoe2020 on January 30, 2020, 05:46:53 PM
Should Marquette win?? I'm not so sure.

This is either the easiest or second easiest game left on Marquette's schedule. If you are not sure if we should win this game, then you don't have a very high opinion of this team.
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WhoaJoe2020

Quote from: Shooter McGavin on January 30, 2020, 06:27:05 PM
Again,  this is a must win game IF they are going to be an above average team in the Big East with a winning record.  Need to win the winnable games at home when you are the better, more experienced team with designs on doing damage in the tournament. It may be ugly but MU will hopefully win a close game and get a well deserved break.

If you honestly think this really is a must win game, then it may be time to burn Akanno's redshirt. I highly doubt Markus or Greg will play, and if they do I don't expect them to be very effective. Gardner isn't going to be the difference, so the only X factor is Akanno. I've seen some video of him and he seems stout with decent skills. If you really think this is a critical game for the program, it may be time to break the glass.

brewcity77

I'm not sure why this would be a trap game. We have a full week off after. The team will definitely be focused on this game and no other. Now if we played this and had Butler coming in Tuesday, maybe, but not with so much time in between.
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WhoaJoe2020

Quote from: TAMU Garcia on January 30, 2020, 06:41:40 PM
This is either the easiest or second easiest game left on Marquette's schedule. If you are not sure if we should win this game, then you don't have a very high opinion of this team.

With the current state of the team, I disagree.  Given time, Markus and Greg will be back to full strength, and the rest of the guys should be better rested as well. This game just comes at a bad time. It says nothing about my opinion of this team when they're fresh and healthy.

Goose

WhoaJoe
It is a game they should win, end of story.

Its DJOver

Only game of the season where you're completely "fresh and healthy" is the first one.  Every team in the country is dealing with some sort of injury based limitation.  We're the better team, and we're playing at home.  This is a game that we should win.
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I'll stick with my opinion on Gold.  He'll be in foul trouble within the first eight minutes.

tower912

If Markus and Greg both sit, it may be a trap game.  If either play, it should be ok.
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lawdog77

If we dont beat Depaul, it is Wojo's fault.

Shooter McGavin

Quote from: WhoaJoe2020 on January 30, 2020, 06:42:31 PM
If you honestly think this really is a must win game, then it may be time to burn Akanno's redshirt. I highly doubt Markus or Greg will play, and if they do I don't expect them to be very effective. Gardner isn't going to be the difference, so the only X factor is Akanno. I've seen some video of him and he seems stout with decent skills. If you really think this is a critical game for the program, it may be time to break the glass.

Not must win where we pack up, go home and call off the rest of the season if we lose.  But must win if we plan on having a successful Big East season and a good tournament seed.  I don't see many easier games on the schedule.  Can't lose too many "Providence" like games at home and be considered an upper echelon team.

I will recalibrate my expectations if we start losing home games of this level.


WhoaJoe2020

Quote from: Shooter McGavin on January 30, 2020, 07:19:22 PM
Not must win where we pack up, go home and call off the rest of the season if we lose.  But must win if we plan on having a successful Big East season and a good tournament seed.  I don't see many easier games on the schedule.  Can't lose too many "Providence" like games at home and be considered an upper echelon team.

I will recalibrate my expectations if we start losing home games of this level.

I'd suggest not inferring too much from a loss in this case. The team is beat up and tired after the last two games. They get a week off after the DePaul game.

I think it would be a much bigger deal if Marquette wins under the circumstances.

Shooter McGavin

I have to say, some of my opinion regarding the must win nature of this game is I have a low opinion of DePaul basketball and absolutely abhor losing to them. 

WhoaJoe2020

Quote from: Goose on January 30, 2020, 06:53:57 PM
WhoaJoe
It is a game they should win, end of story.

Are you the Pharaoh of scoop??

I watched DePaul match up against SH on the road every bit as good as Marquette did when the team was near full strength.

Marquette could win, end of story.

Elonsmusk

Quote from: WhoaJoe2020 on January 30, 2020, 04:48:20 PM
If by saying I'm "on a roll" you mean I'm steamrolling over the weak attempts at minimizing the X win and the set ups to exaggerate a potential DePaul loss, then yes.....I am on a roll.

You are a legend in your own mind.  Thoroughly enjoy reading your content WhoaJoe.

Quote from: WhoaJoe2020 on January 30, 2020, 07:35:42 PM
I'd suggest not inferring too much from a loss in this case. The team is beat up and tired after the last two games. They get a week off after the DePaul game.

I think it would be a much bigger deal if Marquette wins under the circumstances.

Welcome to the big leagues Whoa.  Injuries are part of the game.  Losing Sam, Joey, and Ed?  Part of roster management failure.  While Greg Elliott fills a role, he is not a difference-maker.  Buzz coached a team with 7 scholarship players, two of whom were under 5'10",  to a 6 seed.  Yet here you are wanting to suggest it would be an upset for us to win on our home floor against DePaul?  C'Mon man.

Quote from: WhoaJoe2020 on January 30, 2020, 06:42:31 PM
If you honestly think this really is a must win game, then it may be time to burn Akanno's redshirt. I highly doubt Markus or Greg will play, and if they do I don't expect them to be very effective. Gardner isn't going to be the difference, so the only X factor is Akanno. I've seen some video of him and he seems stout with decent skills. If you really think this is a critical game for the program, it may be time to break the glass.

Facepalm.