COVID-19 (f/k/a "the Coronavirus")

[rocky_warrior]

Not that you give a rip but if you do here are the temp controlled shipping containers we're now using

I actually give lots of rips.  This really isn't the right thread for discussing immigration (we don't really have one of those  ).  But the article you link mentions these are for unaccompanied minors.  A difficult situation to manage no matter your politics, I think you'd agree.

[GooooMarquette]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1259282

Not much more to the story....about 7% of migrants are testing positive and being sent on their way with the recommendation to isolate.

Sounds like they are treating the migrants pretty much the same as they treat everybody else. Not the perfect solution, but a definite improvement.

[forgetful]

I'd rather we encourage and enforce the legal process of immigration.  And if you haven't been following the news we are currently putting housing them in cages storage bins.

You'll be happy to note, that they are following the legal process of immigration. People have the legal right to seek asylum, which is what is going on in the articles you linked.

Now, onto the TX governor who is neither following any laws, or scientific evidence, in making a decision which will kill people. Even business analysts say this may actually make the economy worse (as some people now stay home for fear of COVID, and/or increased spread slows business). Why, for political gain and to distract from his failures regarding energy.

Also, per the TX governor, those asylum seekers you are worried about will no longer be required to wear a mask.

[tower912]

The Texas governor is making a political decision to try to distract from the last political, economic, societal calamity that occurred in Texas.   

[pacearrow02]

You'll be happy to note, that they are following the legal process of immigration. People have the legal right to seek asylum, which is what is going on in the articles you linked.

Now, onto the TX governor who is neither following any laws, or scientific evidence, in making a decision which will kill people. Even business analysts say this may actually make the economy worse (as some people now stay home for fear of COVID, and/or increased spread slows business). Why, for political gain and to distract from his failures regarding energy.

Also, per the TX governor, those asylum seekers you are worried about will no longer be required to wear a mask.

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[MU82]

Why, for political gain and to distract from his failures regarding energy.

He learned from the best. This is classic, Trumpian misdirection.

[pacearrow02]

I actually give lots of rips.  This really isn't the right thread for discussing immigration (we don't really have one of those  ).  But the article you link mentions these are for unaccompanied minors.  A difficult situation to manage no matter your politics, I think you'd agree.

You're right, started to veer off the side of the road from where the original conversation started.  Agree 100% on a difficult situation no matter what angle you're looking at it from.

[The Sultan]

I'd rather we encourage and enforce the legal process of immigration. 

That's cool...until children without parents show up at the border.  Then what do you do?

[cheebs09]

I chuckled when I saw a FB post about how how their freedoms were restored because of the mask mandate being taken away.

I probably have limited my social interaction more than the average person, but I would feel less comfortable going out to shop or even our child's daycare if the mask mandate was dropped. Does that mean my freedoms are being taken away by no mask mandate?

With us being so close to the end of this, it feels like just keep it until early June when almost everyone is vaccinated.

Full disclosure, I've been able to work from home since the start of this and other than a temporary pay cut, our livelihood hasn't really been impacted. So my frame of reference could be missing a lot.

Rolling back business restrictions isn't a bad thing if done right. I don't know exactly the restrictions in Texas. I just feel this is a bad idea.

[pacearrow02]

I chuckled when I saw a FB post about how how their freedoms were restored because of the mask mandate being taken away.

I probably have limited my social interaction more than the average person, but I would feel less comfortable going out to shop or even our child's daycare if the mask mandate was dropped. Does that mean my freedoms are being taken away by no mask mandate?

With us being so close to the end of this, it feels like just keep it until early June when almost everyone is vaccinated.

Full disclosure, I've been able to work from home since the start of this and other than a temporary pay cut, our livelihood hasn't really been impacted. So my frame of reference could be missing a lot.

Rolling back business restrictions isn't a bad thing if done right. I don't know exactly the restrictions in Texas. I just feel this is a bad idea.

By having the option to weigh the risk reward of going out to partake in shopping etc is all people have been asking for.

By shutting business down it eliminates that option, hence the "we want our freedom back" crowd (which I think is silly).

[cheebs09]

By having the option to weigh the risk reward of going out to partake in shopping etc is all people have been asking for.

By shutting business down it eliminates that option, hence the "we want our freedom back" crowd (which I think is silly).

I can agree with the opening businesses. Frankly, I'm not totally sure what the restrictions are in Wisconsin. It seems mostly limited indoor dining and large gatherings. Obviously the festivals and sporting events are a big hit to the local economy.

But that should be independent of masks. I mean is wearing a mask preventing anyone from doing anything outside of those with health conditions that shouldn't wear masks? Which seems to be a select few, and they'd probably be at the greatest risk of Covid anyways.

[rocket surgeon]

over 100 covid positive"migrants" have been released into our country since end of january??  they won't let you fly if you are covid positive

[pacearrow02]

I can agree with the opening businesses. Frankly, I'm not totally sure what the restrictions are in Wisconsin. It seems mostly limited indoor dining and large gatherings. Obviously the festivals and sporting events are a big hit to the local economy.

But that should be independent of masks. I mean is wearing a mask preventing anyone from doing anything outside of those with health conditions that shouldn't wear masks? Which seems to be a select few, and they'd probably be at the greatest risk of Covid anyways.

Agree with you here.  I think the most logical next step is to open everything up with no restrictions but keep mask mandates in place til June 1.

If states are going to continue to drop their local mask mandates why can't Biden swoop in and put in place a national mask mandates from sea to shining sea?  That is of course what everyone was demanding the previous administration do.

[SERocks]

I probably have limited my social interaction more than the average person, but I would feel less comfortable going out to shop or even our child's daycare if the mask mandate was dropped. Does that mean my freedoms are being taken away by no mask mandate?

The short answer is YES.

I made this argument a while back when the anti-maskers said that the compromised individuals should remain home and let the rest of the population go about its business.  And when some claimed a medical condition or some sort of PTSD should allow them to not wear a mask.  If that is the case, and you cannot wear a mask, you stay home like you are arguing the compromised individuals should.

Here in Burlington it seems no one cares any more. Restaurants and bars are busy, at least it seems that way due to the number of automobiles parked outside them as I drive by.  I have not been in any for over a year, so....  I will continue to do my part to keep mine safe.  I just hope the idiots running around catching covid don't create an escape variant that the vaccines do not protect against.  The world does not need to start over on the period of time we need to endure this.

[Hards Alumni]

over 100 covid positive"migrants" have been released into our country since end of january??  they won't let you fly if you are covid positive

You're implying that migrants are somehow more careless about covid than the average American.  You see how that is a tad on the racist side, right?

And no one should fly if they are covid positive, so what's your point? 

[pacearrow02]

You're implying that migrants are somehow more careless about covid than the average American.  You see how that is a tad on the racist side, right?

And no one should fly if they are covid positive, so what's your point?

I think his point is migrants at the border have more freedom of movement then Americans have had for almost a year within our own country.  We weren't able to go to Illinois without quarantine, public shaming, etc but we're allowing Covid positive non-citizens to be released out into communities and the response is "oh well"?

[pacearrow02]

You're implying that migrants are somehow more careless about covid than the average American.  You see how that is a tad on the racist side, right?

And no one should fly if they are covid positive, so what's your point?

How is that comment racist?

[The Sultan]

Agree with you here.  I think the most logical next step is to open everything up with no restrictions but keep mask mandates in place til June 1.

If states are going to continue to drop their local mask mandates why can't Biden swoop in and put in place a national mask mandates from sea to shining sea?  That is of course what everyone was demanding the previous administration do.

Nope.  People were suggesting that Trump encourage the states to follow CDC's advice.

[Galway Eagle]

You're implying that migrants are somehow more careless about covid than the average American.  You see how that is a tad on the racist side, right?

And no one should fly if they are covid positive, so what's your point?

Not entirely sure it's racist. It's something, but not racist. I mean he didn't say "all these people are latinx so they definitely have Covid" it was more an insinuation that because the countries these people come from are lacking infrastructure and they've been living in close quarters that they definitely have Covid.

[pacearrow02]

CDC set to announce today that once vaccinated you can go about your daily life without a mask.  That's the change in messaging tone needed to get more needles in arms, let's go!!!

[Galway Eagle]

CDC set to announce today that once vaccinated you can go about your daily life without a mask.  That's the change in messaging tone needed to get more needles in arms, let's go!!!

This I agree with. The difference in dangling that fruit to incentivize unenthusiastic individuals vs keeping with the "we may be wearing masks into 2022" message will be huge to getting people vaccinated and the economy bumping.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

By having the option to weigh the risk reward of going out to partake in shopping etc is all people have been asking for.

Do you get to weigh the risk reward of driving through red lights at intersections?

[pacearrow02]

Do you get to weigh the risk reward of driving through red lights at intersections?

Yes, I've taken that risk reward balance into an account on more then one occasion when facing a red light.  I'm sure you have as well.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Yes, I've taken that risk reward balance into an account on more then one occasion when facing a red light.  I'm sure you have as well.

Nah, man. You should do it ALL the time. YOU should be the one to decide whether to put yourself and others at risk, not Big Gubmint.

[MU82]

Just read that it was 1 year ago today that NC recorded its first case of COVID-19.