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pbiflyer

This is a shot of a line outside a bar to get in in Alexandria VA. He said there were several other bars with similar lines and barely any masks.

Oh and on a typically slow reporting day, Florida had more cases in a single day than anywhere else in the country.

injuryBug

Quote from: pbiflyer on July 12, 2020, 11:07:20 AM
This is a shot of a line outside a bar to get in in Alexandria VA. He said there were several other bars with similar lines and barely any masks.

Oh and on a typically slow reporting day, Florida had more cases in a single day than anywhere else in the country.

makes no sense why people would want to enter a bar

BM1090

#7202
I'm thrilled that a ton of countries have reined in the virus and seem to have it under control. I'm thrilled to have sports and society back in some areas of the world. Pretty pissed that we're going to be one of the last countries to get back to "normal". Predictable, though.


MU Fan in Connecticut

Quote from: pbiflyer on July 12, 2020, 11:07:20 AM
This is a shot of a line outside a bar to get in in Alexandria VA. He said there were several other bars with similar lines and barely any masks.

Oh and on a typically slow reporting day, Florida had more cases in a single day than anywhere else in the country.

King Street

GooooMarquette

Quote from: BM1090 on July 12, 2020, 02:48:27 PM
I'm thrilled that a ton of countries have reigned the virus in and seem to have it under control. I'm thrilled to have sports and society back in some areas of the world. Pretty pissed that we're going to be one of the last countries to get back to "normal". Predictable, though.


Agreed. When I see other countries inching towards normal, I know it's possible with discipline. The fact that we aren't one of those countries is infuriating, but not surprising.

The CDC has messed up many things...but if POTUS and every governor had supported and strictly followed CDC's three-phase reopening guidelines, we would be much better off today.


Frenns Liquor Depot

This is all so sad to see happening again.  By the way we are all worse off now as labs prioritize hot spots—we lose visibility and ability to contain outbreaks everywhere else. 

pbiflyer

Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on July 12, 2020, 07:27:48 PM
This is all so sad to see happening again.  By the way we are all worse off now as labs prioritize hot spots—we lose visibility and ability to contain outbreaks everywhere else.

On the bright side, we weren't doing anything about containment before, so no big loss.

Frenns Liquor Depot

Quote from: pbiflyer on July 12, 2020, 07:41:36 PM
On the bright side, we weren't doing anything about containment before, so no big loss.

My state was

TSmith34, Inc.

Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on July 12, 2020, 07:49:40 PM
My state was
Yup. And a patchwork response was always doomed to fail. I would say "absolute void of leadership" at the top, but no leadership would have been better than one that consistently chose the worst possible course of action.
If you think for one second that I am comparing the USA to China you have bumped your hard.

GooooMarquette

And now the White House is going into overdrive to discredit Fauci....

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/12/us/politics/fauci-trump-coronavirus.html

Administration officials moved to treat the nation's top infectious disease expert as if he were a warring political rival, releasing a list of what they said were questionable statements he had made.

President Trump's advisers undercut the nation's top infectious disease expert, Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, over the weekend, anonymously providing details to various news outlets about statements he had made early in the coronavirus outbreak that they said were inaccurate.


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Lovely. 'Opposition research' on the nation's top infectious disease expert in the midst of a pandemic.

This will help....

GooooMarquette

Meanwhile in Arizona...where cases, hospitalizations and ICU occupancy rates  have surged...

It takes weeks to get COVID-19 test results in Arizona. That makes it harder to control the spread

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-health/2020/07/06/slow-covid-19-test-results-have-cascade-effect-public-health/5386582002/

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Waits of 8-12 hours in line to get a test, and then a couple of weeks more to get the result. If this is the testing situation in one of the new epicenters of the pandemic, we are screwed.

Jockey

Quote from: GooooMarquette on July 12, 2020, 08:12:40 PM
And now the White House is going into overdrive to discredit Fauci....

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/12/us/politics/fauci-trump-coronavirus.html

Administration officials moved to treat the nation's top infectious disease expert as if he were a warring political rival, releasing a list of what they said were questionable statements he had made.

President Trump's advisers undercut the nation's top infectious disease expert, Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, over the weekend, anonymously providing details to various news outlets about statements he had made early in the coronavirus outbreak that they said were inaccurate.


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Lovely. 'Opposition research' on the nation's top infectious disease expert in the midst of a pandemic.

This will help....

C'mon, Goo 

Who knows more about a pandemic - a guy who sold buildings or a guy who has studied this for 40+ years? Obviously, it's the guy who sold buildings.

And that is the crux of everything. republicans have been so anti-science just to contradict Libs that they now believe the garbage they've been spewing.

Frenns Liquor Depot

I felt this way when we were in epidemic.  Prioritize testing in areas where you have control (or are trying to gain control).  Hot spots have no little chance to make a dent. 

Jockey

Quote from: GooooMarquette on July 12, 2020, 08:24:01 PM
Meanwhile in Arizona...where cases, hospitalizations and ICU occupancy rates  have surged...

It takes weeks to get COVID-19 test results in Arizona. That makes it harder to control the spread

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-health/2020/07/06/slow-covid-19-test-results-have-cascade-effect-public-health/5386582002/

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Waits of 8-12 hours in line to get a test, and then a couple of weeks more to get the result. If this is the testing situation in one of the new epicenters of the pandemic, we are screwed.

Criminal!! Hope all these people are held accountable- preferably before they reach the gates of h@ll.

The Sultan

Quote from: GooooMarquette on July 12, 2020, 08:12:40 PM
And now the White House is going into overdrive to discredit Fauci....

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/12/us/politics/fauci-trump-coronavirus.html

Administration officials moved to treat the nation's top infectious disease expert as if he were a warring political rival, releasing a list of what they said were questionable statements he had made.

President Trump's advisers undercut the nation's top infectious disease expert, Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, over the weekend, anonymously providing details to various news outlets about statements he had made early in the coronavirus outbreak that they said were inaccurate.


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Lovely. 'Opposition research' on the nation's top infectious disease expert in the midst of a pandemic.

This will help....

Some of which have already been mimicked here.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

GooooMarquette

Quote from: Jockey on July 12, 2020, 08:27:21 PM
Criminal!! Hope all these people are held accountable- preferably before they reach the gates of h@ll.


I just saw an interview with the mayor of Phoenix. She requested federal assistance several weeks ago to develop surge testing capability, and has gotten no response. Horrifying.

TSmith34, Inc.

Quote from: GooooMarquette on July 12, 2020, 08:12:40 PM
Lovely. 'Opposition research' on the nation's top infectious disease expert in the midst of a pandemic.

This will help....
As I said, "consistently chose the worst possible course of action".
If you think for one second that I am comparing the USA to China you have bumped your hard.

rocky_warrior

Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on July 12, 2020, 07:27:48 PM
This is all so sad to see happening again.  By the way we are all worse off now as labs prioritize hot spots—we lose visibility and ability to contain outbreaks everywhere else.

Agreed.  I was incredibly disturbed the more i dug into data this weekend.  So sad to see.  Literally sad.  Of course it comes after we've all had a few weeks to "relax" and see the numbers trending in the right direction.   Guess I should plan on hunkering down for another year...

shoothoops


The Sultan

"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

tower912

Florida with more new cases in one day than South Korea had in totality.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

TSmith34, Inc.

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on July 13, 2020, 07:35:54 AM
We were so close.

May 18th:
President Trump on Monday gave an emphatic "Yes!" to Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar saying in an interview that reopening the economy is not dependent on having a vaccine for the coronavirus and that keeping businesses shuttered creates its own health crisis.

The president issued a one-word tweet — "Yes!" — linking to Azar's Sunday interview on CNN and followed it up with two more messages: "REOPEN OUR COUNTRY!" and "TRANSITION TO GREATNESS."

https://nypost.com/2020/05/18/trump-tweets-support-of-hhs-secretarys-call-to-reopen-economy/
If you think for one second that I am comparing the USA to China you have bumped your hard.

The Sultan

Quote from: TSmith34 on July 13, 2020, 08:06:10 AM
May 18th:
President Trump on Monday gave an emphatic "Yes!" to Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar saying in an interview that reopening the economy is not dependent on having a vaccine for the coronavirus and that keeping businesses shuttered creates its own health crisis.

The president issued a one-word tweet — "Yes!" — linking to Azar's Sunday interview on CNN and followed it up with two more messages: "REOPEN OUR COUNTRY!" and "TRANSITION TO GREATNESS."

https://nypost.com/2020/05/18/trump-tweets-support-of-hhs-secretarys-call-to-reopen-economy/


In retrospect, while we were clearly ill-prepared to handle the initial surge for various reasons already discussed, what has happened since mid-May has been an even larger abdication of responsibility.  We got a late start, but were doing the right things.

Then we decided that was too hard, and apparently now are just hoping and praying for a vaccine with no clear plan.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

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