COVID-19 (f/k/a "the Coronavirus")

[GooooMarquette]

No one is saying we need NO new cases. That is an out and out falsehood. People that are saying it is too soon to open are saying that the original guidance of 14 days with DECREASING new cases is what needs to happen.

Absolutely correct.

As I (and many others) have been saying here for weeks, I would like to see the three-phase reopening that starts with:

* a 14-day downward trajectory of cases;
* sufficient testing for all symptomatic individuals; and
* sufficient contact tracing infrastructure to quickly track down anyone who had contact with people who test positive.

Exactly as Trump promoted for about 15 minutes....

[injuryBug]

Absolutely correct.

As I (and many others) have been saying here for weeks, I would like to see the three-phase reopening that starts with:

* a 14-day downward trajectory of cases;
* sufficient testing for all symptomatic individuals; and
* sufficient contact tracing infrastructure to quickly track down anyone who had contact with people who test positive.

Exactly as Trump promoted for about 15 minutes....

Cannot say a 14-day downward trajectory of cases it needs to be a downward trend of percentage of cases.  I think that is what gets everyone confused.  Have to look at percentage cause the numbers of tests have increased

[GooooMarquette]

Cannot say a 14-day downward trajectory of cases it needs to be a downward trend of percentage of cases.  I think that is what gets everyone confused.  Have to look at percentage cause the numbers of tests have increased

That would be a reasonable approach too...but it has been rendered moot by the fact that many states are already reopening without even that. And I haven't seen anything to indicate that any state meets the other two criteria for testing and contact tracing.

[MU82]

Battle of Fox News personalities ...

Viewers of coronavirus denier Sean Hannity ended up sicker and deader than viewers of coronavirus acknowledger Tucker Carlson.

https://www.npr.org/local/309/2020/05/04/849109486/study-finds-more-c-o-v-i-d-19-cases-among-viewers-of-fox-news-host-who-downplayed-pandemic?fbclid=IwAR2WCVZXP3AYyJoCSDeupYgHWzhswinQF3iaA_2ER0Js-oBWgGu67dzWjIg

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

I'm only one opinion, but it makes me feel good that my state has some objective targets we are working towards....  Is everyone else getting this type of info locally (plans, numbers, targets around PPE/hospitalization)?

https://www.courant.com/coronavirus/hc-news-coronavirus-daily-updates-0507-20200507-7jdxhsdk2jhenmssfeqlznty3e-story.html

[injuryBug]

That would be a reasonable approach too...but it has been rendered moot by the fact that many states are already reopening without even that. And I haven't seen anything to indicate that any state meets the other two criteria for testing and contact tracing.

agree left up for people to be smart now

[MU82]

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article242563266.html?

Caitlin Rivers, researcher at Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, testified before the House of Representatives Committee on Appropriations on Wednesday. Rivers said that states didn't meet the requirements for testing, contact tracing, and enough personal protective equipment for health care workers to reopen.

"Many states are in the process of reopening, or are considering doing so, despite inadequate capacities to do diagnostic testing, contact tracing, and insufficient supplies of personal protective equipment," she said. "Other states not yet reopening are looking ahead to those decisions, as we all are, to try to understand how and when that transition to reopening should unfold."

"It is clear to me that we are in a critical moment in this fight," she continued. "We risk complacency in accepting the preventable deaths of 2,000 Americans each day. We risk complacency in accepting that our health care workers do not have what they need to do their jobs safely. And we risk complacency in recognizing that without continued vigilance in slowing transmission, we will again create the conditions that led to us being the worst-affected country in the world."

[jesmu84]

US sending ventilators overseas to help with covid

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-is-giving-ventilators-to-russia-putin-for-coronavirus-response-2020-5

[tower912]

That is Christian of us.

[forgetful]

Cannot say a 14-day downward trajectory of cases it needs to be a downward trend of percentage of cases.  I think that is what gets everyone confused.  Have to look at percentage cause the numbers of tests have increased

How about a 14 day decrease in deaths, or hospitalizations?

[WarriorDad]

Average age of those that have died in the US is 75 per CDC.   Massachusetts the avg age of victims is 82.  Tennessee it is 72.  New York 73.  Not all states are reporting age of the victims in their public data.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

Cannot say a 14-day downward trajectory of cases it needs to be a downward trend of percentage of cases.  I think that is what gets everyone confused.  Have to look at percentage cause the numbers of tests have increased

Connecticut has been using a 14-day downward trajectory in hospitalizations.
Frenns - did I get that right?

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

I'm only one opinion, but it makes me feel good that my state has some objective targets we are working towards....  Is everyone else getting this type of info locally (plans, numbers, targets around PPE/hospitalization)?

https://www.courant.com/coronavirus/hc-news-coronavirus-daily-updates-0507-20200507-7jdxhsdk2jhenmssfeqlznty3e-story.html

Connecticut provided info has been excellent.
I've been getting daily emails from Senator Chris Murphy and my State Senator.  And they always have details from our governor including specific targets and specific information.  My kids are happy to hear that summer camps can open June 29 with specific guidelines to be released on May 15.  They were both hoping to have jobs this summer.  They even released a phased-in plan up to Sept 1 for how universities and colleges can reopen in the state.  (The work group was led by retired Yale President Richard Levin.)

[jficke13]

Average age of those that have died in the US is 75 per CDC.   Massachusetts the avg age of victims is 82.  Tennessee it is 72.  New York 73.  Not all states are reporting age of the victims in their public data.

And your point is?

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Connecticut has been using a 14-day downward trajectory in hospitalizations.
Frenns - did I get that right?

Yes that is a key metric.  Another one I learned about yesterday is that they want the positive percentage on testing to be way lower.  Part of the issue is more tests needed, but the other part is that people still think you have to be sick to get a test.  They are trying to get the word out that they want more people tested. 

A national issue is that CT foresees an issue with testing supplies (swaps, etc).  But...Yale has pioneered a spit test in the hospital that they think can be scaled.  If so it lowers PPE and testing equipment needed and can get us to the numbers desired. 

Interesting progress and feels like Gov. Lamont is trying to address this systemically -- most encouraged I've been in a while.

[MU82]

And your point is?

We don't need no stinkin' codgers in this country. Screw 'em!

[Pakuni]

We don't need no stinkin' codgers in this country. Screw 'em!

Old Lives Matter?

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

Old Lives Matter?

Like this?

[MU82]

Like this?

One day, it's like a miracle, it will disappear.

[shoothoops]

https://twitter.com/jimmykimmellive/status/1258771361054355456

Video of Mike Pence delivering ppe, struggling to lift the large boxes.....when told on a hot mic the boxes were empty, Pence asked to do so anyway for the cameras.

[injuryBug]

Connecticut provided info has been excellent.
I've been getting daily emails from Senator Chris Murphy and my State Senator.  And they always have details from our governor including specific targets and specific information.  My kids are happy to hear that summer camps can open June 29 with specific guidelines to be released on May 15.  They were both hoping to have jobs this summer.  They even released a phased-in plan up to Sept 1 for how universities and colleges can reopen in the state.  (The work group was led by retired Yale President Richard Levin.)

great to hear hopefully WI can work together and come up with a plan

[jesmu84]

https://twitter.com/jimmykimmellive/status/1258771361054355456

Video of Mike Pence delivering ppe, struggling to lift the large boxes.....when told on a hot mic the boxes were empty, Pence asked to do so anyway for the cameras.

There's a lot of cuts to this video. No doubt some of the boxes were empty and it was 100% a PR stunt.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

https://twitter.com/jimmykimmellive/status/1258771361054355456

Video of Mike Pence delivering ppe, struggling to lift the large boxes.....when told on a hot mic the boxes were empty, Pence asked to do so anyway for the cameras.

Selectively edited by kimmel.  Fake news

[Warriors4ever]

A lot of the success the NZ prime minister had was in communicating directly and honestly with New Zealanders. Nice to see someone in the US has been able to do the same. I hope the rest of the populace feels the same way.

[Lighthouse 84]

Selectively edited by kimmel.  Fake news

As if that will prevent people from posting the edited clip anyway....