COVID-19 (f/k/a "the Coronavirus")

[MU82]

Outstanding article on how Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine has expertly and decisively handled the pandemic. Though some politicians from his own party have disagreed with him, his popularity has soared among the people he serves.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/28/us/politics/mike-dewine-ohio-coronavirus.html?campaign_id=56&emc=edit_cn_20200428&instance_id=17999&nl=on-politics-with-lisa-lerer&regi_id=108420427&segment_id=26119&te=1&user_id=d36dcf821462fdd16ec3636710a855fa

[StillAWarrior]

Outstanding article on how Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine has expertly and decisively handled the pandemic. Though some politicians from his own party have disagreed with him, his popularity has soared among the people he serves.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/28/us/politics/mike-dewine-ohio-coronavirus.html?campaign_id=56&emc=edit_cn_20200428&instance_id=17999&nl=on-politics-with-lisa-lerer&regi_id=108420427&segment_id=26119&te=1&user_id=d36dcf821462fdd16ec3636710a855fa

OH -- IO

I think he's done well.  Also, our Director of the Department of Health (Amy Acton) has done a very good job.

[Jockey]

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration on Monday asked makers of hand sanitizers to add denatured alcohol to the products in order to make them less palatable in a bid to discourage people, especially children, from drinking the liquid.

The regulator's advisory follows U.S. President Donald Trump's recent comments on whether injecting disinfectants might treat COVID-19, which raised concerns that frightened people could poison themselves with untested treatments.

"Hand sanitizers are not proven to treat COVID-19, and like other products meant for external use, are not for ingestion, inhalation, or intravenous use," FDA Commissioner Stephen Hahn said in a statement.

[GooooMarquette]

This is well reasoned in my view.  I'm semi-retired, but some jobs you need the day to day hands on interaction, mentorship.  The amount of knowledge picked up with face to face interactions is immeasurable.  Even casual settings such as walking to and from meetings with a colleague can elicit information that ends up critical.

Agreed. I could probably do my entire job remotely. But over many years of in-person office work, I got enormous benefits through informal mentorship or 'curbside consults' with colleagues in break rooms, in hallways, or through open doors to their offices. Since most of the 'meetings' were unplanned, they likely would never have occurred if I had been working remotely, and I wouldn't have developed as much professionally.

[Its DJOver]

Something to watch closely
Premier league looking to start in early June
Serie A starting end of may early June
German league to begin training in a couple weeks

Ligue 1 and 2 cancelled, FIFA medical chief doesn't want a return in any capacity until September.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/52460468

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/52462233

[GooooMarquette]

Mike Pence was here today to visit the Mayo Clinic. I appreciate his appearance, but feel it was awfully arrogant of him to decline Mayo's request that he wear a mask.

https://www.startribune.com/vice-president-mike-pence-to-highlight-mayo-research-in-rochester-today/570006292/

FWIW, that's Mayo's CEO on the far left...wearing a mask.

[Jockey]

Mike Pence was here today to visit the Mayo Clinic. I appreciate his appearance, but feel it was awfully arrogant of him to decline Mayo's request that he wear a mask.

https://www.startribune.com/vice-president-mike-pence-to-highlight-mayo-research-in-rochester-today/570006292/

FWIW, that's Mayo's CEO on the far left...wearing a mask.

Pence was informed of the mandatory mask policy at Mayo before the tour and refused to wear one. Easy to figure out why.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Pretty interesting exercise to go back and read the posts at the beginning of this thread.  We got a few things right and a lot, lot wrong. 

[MU82]

Social distancing has helped "flatten the curve" of the coronavirus, but University of Washington public health researchers say the death toll from this wave of the pandemic is forecast to hit about 74,000 in the United States.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article242338406.html?

The researchers with the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation, whose coronavirus model is cited often by the White House and states, increased the prediction for U.S. deaths from about 67,600 in their newest forecast.

The model runs through Aug. 4, but the projected total of 74,073 deaths is reached on July 15. The current model projects no additional deaths between July 15 and Aug. 4.

Institute director Christopher Murray said that if states start opening too soon, the death toll from COVID-19 could be even higher, CBS News reports.

"While most states seem to have passed their epidemic peaks, seven — Hawaii, Mississippi, Texas, Wyoming, Utah, Nebraska, and North Dakota — may be experiencing their peaks now or could be in the coming weeks," the Institute said.

[Lennys Tap]

Pretty interesting exercise to go back and read the posts at the beginning of this thread.  We got a few things right and a lot, lot wrong.

Goose was dead on early.

[JWags85]

Ligue 1 and 2 cancelled, FIFA medical chief doesn't want a return in any capacity until September.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/52460468

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/52462233

FIFA:
Hundreds, maybe thousands die rush building foolish stadiums in Qatar...NBD!

Comparatively small groups of players with elite and dedicated medical staffs playing with precautions being taken....BAD IDEA!

Indeed, and that is the potential problem I see. For me personally, I get a ton of value by being able to collaborate, often informally, with my colleagues. That just isn't possible when no one is in the office, and it is far more difficult via IM or WebEx/Zoom. And more broadly, I don't see how the folks with 0-3 years of experience are supposed to learn and be mentored remotely.

But, I'll allow that maybe I am just old and set in my ways and that it will all work out fine, but it was a decision driven by $ rather than long-term planning.

I imagine I'm significantly younger than you but I'm of the same mind. I've seen a lot of this push to remote working, as well as "this will be the end of business travel as we know it, zoom and teleconferencing will replace it". Which is silly to me. I can do major parts of my job remotely, but there is so much lost by not interacting with my team and fellow management in person. You basically are restricted by the "worst" communicator in the group. If they are not super inclined to schedule calls or informal chats, that doesn't get replaced.

And business travel? I accomplish more in a 2 hour visit/chat on a trip to Asia than I do in 3-6 months with a customer/colleague I work with closely. And these are people I talk to via text, phone, or email multiple times a week or month. There is a much more comfortable flow of information and collaborating, especially across languages, cultures, distance, in person. That will never be replaced. I have associates that if I left the business tomorrow, I would still be friends with and talk to regularly. To think that would happen cause we had Zoom meetings and tele-conferences makes me believe the person suggesting it never had much outward facing professional relationship building, by either desire or job function

[pbiflyer]

Social distancing has helped "flatten the curve" of the coronavirus, but University of Washington public health researchers say the death toll from this wave of the pandemic is forecast to hit about 74,000 in the United States.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article242338406.html?

The researchers with the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation, whose coronavirus model is cited often by the White House and states, increased the prediction for U.S. deaths from about 67,600 in their newest forecast.

The model runs through Aug. 4, but the projected total of 74,073 deaths is reached on July 15. The current model projects no additional deaths between July 15 and Aug. 4.

Institute director Christopher Murray said that if states start opening too soon, the death toll from COVID-19 could be even higher, CBS News reports.

"While most states seem to have passed their epidemic peaks, seven — Hawaii, Mississippi, Texas, Wyoming, Utah, Nebraska, and North Dakota — may be experiencing their peaks now or could be in the coming weeks," the Institute said.

If Vegas reopens, I'm taking the over on those numbers. We'll be over 67000 in less than a week and over 74000 by mid May.
Even if no new cases happened, the total death figure is going to rise past 67000 from existing cases.

[GooooMarquette]

If Vegas reopens, I'm taking the over on those numbers.

Yep. Wonder if the casinos will take bets on that...

[pbiflyer]

Yep. Wonder if the casinos will take bets on that...

No idea how reputable but betmoose.com takes bets on covid related stuff.

[forgetful]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-doctor-son-battling-virus-in-the-hospital/

This should be eye opening to those who think this is an old-persons disease. 4-year old, healthy, no pre-existing conditions, barely survived after a 1-month long illness. There are a lot of these stories out there for kids and other young people.

They were also seriously following stay-at-home guidelines and have no idea how he got infected.

[GooooMarquette]

New C.D.C. data suggests the virus death toll is higher than reported.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/28/us/coronavirus-updates.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage#link-2e4de5b9

The number of total deaths in seven states hit hard by the coronavirus was nearly 50 percent higher than normal over a five-week span during the pandemic, according to new statistics released by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Tuesday. There were 9,000 more deaths in those states than the official counts of coronavirus deaths suggest.

...

The gap between total mortality and the official count of coronavirus deaths probably reflects both an undercounting of coronavirus deaths and a surge in deaths from other causes. There is increasing evidence that stresses on the health care system and fears about catching the disease have caused some Americans to die from ailments that are typically treatable.


Not just an old persons' disease, and most certainly not just 'the flu.'

#trumpsterfire

[Jockey]

And now, Trump has ordered meat plant workers back to work. A death sentence for many. He is not requiring the plants to protect workers. OSHA has been told to stand down.

This will have a tragic outcome. It should not be a choice between feeding Americans OR protecting workers. We can feed Americans AND protect workers.

[MU82]

Pence was informed of the mandatory mask policy at Mayo before the tour and refused to wear one. Easy to figure out why.

The Vice Hypocrite is getting ripped a new one everywhere -- even on Fox News.

He claimed he wanted to look at health-care workers "in the eye."  Well, if you're not an imbecile, you've put your mask on in a way that you can see. Just ask every surgeon in the world how they somehow are able to see as they fix people's brains, hearts and everything else while wearing masks.

Not following hospital policy when you are supposed to be setting an example for the entire country is disturbing, selfish and just plain inconsiderate.

[StillAWarrior]

The Vice Hypocrite is getting ripped a new one everywhere -- even on Fox News.

He claimed he wanted to look at health-care workers "in the eye."  Well, if you're not an imbecile, you've put your mask on in a way that you can see. Just ask every surgeon in the world how they somehow are able to see as they fix people's brains, hearts and everything else while wearing masks.

Not following hospital policy when you are supposed to be setting an example for the entire country is disturbing, selfish and just plain inconsiderate.

Good.  Hard to imagine WTF he was thinking -- and I mean really thinking...not that "look them in the eye" crap.

[Jockey]

The Vice Hypocrite is getting ripped a new one everywhere -- even on Fox News.

He claimed he wanted to look at health-care workers "in the eye."  Well, if you're not an imbecile, you've put your mask on in a way that you can see. Just ask every surgeon in the world how they somehow are able to see as they fix people's brains, hearts and everything else while wearing masks.

Not following hospital policy when you are supposed to be setting an example for the entire country is disturbing, selfish and just plain inconsiderate.

Maybe Ron DeSantis taught him how to put on a mask.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/04/florida-ron-desantis-face-mask.html

[The Sultan]

https://twitter.com/TheDailyShow/status/1255225522919006210?s=20

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

The Vice Hypocrite is getting ripped a new one everywhere -- even on Fox News.

He claimed he wanted to look at health-care workers "in the eye."  Well, if you're not an imbecile, you've put your mask on in a way that you can see. Just ask every surgeon in the world how they somehow are able to see as they fix people's brains, hearts and everything else while wearing masks.

Not following hospital policy when you are supposed to be setting an example for the entire country is disturbing, selfish and just plain inconsiderate.

God told him he had nothing to worry about.

[WarriorDad]

This was inevitable sadly.

https://twitter.com/HeidiNBC/status/1242238268277755905?s=19

Even more sad, she is now a subject of a homicide investigation.  She may have killed her husband and he had no idea what was going on. 

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2020/04/29/az-woman-who-blamed-trump-for-chloroquine-ingestion-now-subject-of-homicide-inves-n2567839

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Even more sad, she is now a subject of a homicide investigation.  She may have killed her husband and he had no idea what was going on. 

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2020/04/29/az-woman-who-blamed-trump-for-chloroquine-ingestion-now-subject-of-homicide-inves-n2567839

[WarriorDad]

Media covered the initial story extensively.  His friends fought back and said he was a brilliant man, engineer, would never do such a thing.  Finally their concerns have led to this investigation.  Not sure the media will cover this with the same tenacity they originally did because their target crosshairs are aligned for one person and this makes them look bad.  Bill Maher said it so well a few weeks ago, if the media did their job without the piling on vendettas this guy would be creamed.  But they overextend so much with these types of stories that they can become fake news and come back to burn them all because they wanted to pile on. Report the facts, don't sensationalize, the gotcha journalism should be avoided and you take away one of his biggest weapons.  Maher doesn't think they are capable, and neither do I.