COVID-19 (f/k/a "the Coronavirus")

[MU82]

Boris out of the ICU.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/article241894246.html?

Here's hoping he has a complete recovery.

[StillAWarrior]

Here's hoping he has a complete recovery.

What's that supposed to mean?

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Have a Happy Easter Mike! 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-trump-job-approval-hits-new-high-as-voters-rally-during-crisis

It amazes me how truly uninformed people are about things..talk to people and they say "well that's what i heard on the news" so they believe it. It's a shame that this country is made up of that many ignorant, uninformed people, but..here we are.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

What's that supposed to mean?

[Jockey]

Good NYT Opinion Piece. "The U.S. Approach to Public Health: Neglect, Panic, Repeat"

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/09/opinion/coronavirus-public-health-system-us.html

Makes a good argument that the success of public health measures a century ago led us to complacency and financial neglect of the public health system.

"It was like a great forgetting took place," Wendy Parmet, a public health law scholar at Northeastern University, told me. "As the memory of epidemics faded, individual rights became much more important than collective responsibility." And as medicine grew more sophisticated, health began to be seen as purely a personal matter.

Health care spending grew by 52 percent in the past decade, while the budgets of local health departments shrank by as much as 24 percent, according to a 2019 report from the public health nonprofit Trust for America's Health, and the C.D.C.'s budget remained flat. Today, public health claims just 3 cents of every health dollar spent in the country.

The sad thing is that we know what will happen in just a few short months. Peoplw will start calling to cut Medicare, MedicAid and Social Security.  As night follows day.....

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Ugh.  Wave two now in some of the Asian countries. 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/09/world/asia/coronavirus-hong-kong-singapore-taiwan.html?smtyp=cur&smid=fb-nytimes&fbclid=IwAR33R2cMvjhu7q4KuzkoQ5WhPqRyUbWXptMO3hkuwab4vAo_8LhdCKprhJY

[Jay Bee]

Ugh.  Wave two now in some of the Asian countries. 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/09/world/asia/coronavirus-hong-kong-singapore-taiwan.html?smtyp=cur&smid=fb-nytimes&fbclid=IwAR33R2cMvjhu7q4KuzkoQ5WhPqRyUbWXptMO3hkuwab4vAo_8LhdCKprhJY

It's been explained many times in this thread that this won't happen.

#LastDays

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

It's been explained many times in this thread that this won't happen.

#LastDays

Did you read the article?  This isn't about reinfection if that is what you are referring to. 

[Hards Alumni]

It's been explained many times in this thread that this won't happen.

#LastDays

Really, who said that this won't happen.  Interested.

[Jay Bee]

Really, who said that this won't happen.  Interested.

#ProneBoi

[Hards Alumni]

#ProneBoi

Aren't you in your 40s?

[TSmith34, Inc.]

This thread has revealed a whole new yet equally unappealing side of BeeJay.

#scaredbunny #can'tread

[Jay Bee]

Aren't you in your 40s?

#Ageist

[BM1090]

So we're basically screwed until we get a vaccine next year, right?

[GooooMarquette]

So we're basically screwed until we get a vaccine next year, right?

Yes - that has been repeated here many times.

The only real question is how screwed we are, and that will depend on how well people comply with stay at home orders, and how quickly we can develop extensive and quick testing and contact tracing. And effective treatments are a wildcard.

[Lennys Tap]

Less than 1 week ago Dr Fauci and Dr Birx estimated (if we did everything PERFECTLY) that between 100,000 and 240,000 would die in this outbreak. So 170,000 if you take the average. Now estimates are 60,000 and seemingly still dropping. Wonderful news, to be sure, But why do Scoopers think the models were so wrong?

[TSmith34, Inc.]

So we're basically screwed until we get a vaccine next year, right?

Not if any of the many treatments being tested prove effective.

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-covid-19-treatments.html
"As of April 6, more than 200 clinical trials of COVID-19 treatments or vaccines that are either ongoing or recruiting patients. New ones are being added every day, as the case count in the U.S. (and globally) skyrockets. The drugs being tested range from repurposed flu treatments to failed ebola drugs, to malaria treatments that were first developed decades ago. Here, we take a look at several of the treatments that doctors hope will help fight COVID-19."

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Less than 1 week ago Dr Fauci and Dr Birx estimated (if we did everything PERFECTLY) that between 100,000 and 240,000 would die in this outbreak. So 170,000 if you take the average. Now estimates are 60,000 and seemingly still dropping. Wonderful news, to be sure, But why do Scoopers think the models were so wrong?

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=60306.msg1228484#msg1228484

Here is my take.  Idk why they decided to throw numbers around two weeks ago as a task force, but they did.  It seemed odd then as it does now. 

[Jay Bee]

Hey guys. We have a virus that initially was spreading from infected people coming in from other countries... now, it's more within the US community...

Great news! We've locked everyone into their own homes so they don't interact with others.. and WOOOAH, AMAZING!... less people are getting infected.

We don't have adequate testing, we don't know much of anything. Just a bunch of question marks except that if you sit in a little bubble you don't get it. Well, no sh1t.

We need enormous, unexpected scientific breakthroughs or we're done as Earth.

#LastDays

[BM1090]

Yes - that has been repeated here many times.

The only real question is how screwed we are, and that will depend on how well people comply with stay at home orders, and how quickly we can develop extensive and quick testing and contact tracing. And effective treatments are a wildcard.

Definitely. I understand the plan of a few phases of physical distancing to limit the strain we put on the healthcare system. As is, I just don't see a realistic path for sports, entertainment, bars and restaurants to re-open until a vaccine is established.

Like you said, things could change with effective treatments and more testing. The lack of clear plan nationally is making me more pessimistic than usual. Isolation is starting to get to me!

[rocket surgeon]

The hydroxy controversy is just the modern day example of the criticism that has been going on for the past 3 1/2years. It's time people who cannot separate their politics from medicine get out of the way.  allow the doctors who know how to treat people with this drug, (for the time being)do what they have to do to save lives. 

    even a vaccine on the fast track would take a couple of years and God knows what side effects it would still carry with it. Hydroxy has a 60 year track record. People who have been on it for malaria prevention or arthritis have not come down with covid despite knowing being exposed



https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/491932-hydroxy-hysteria-when-saving-lives-collides-with-politics-and-bureaucracy

[Jay Bee]

Definitely. I understand the plan of a few phases of physical distancing to limit the strain we put on the healthcare system. As is, I just don't see a realistic path for sports, entertainment, bars and restaurants to re-open until a vaccine is established.

Like you said, things could change with effective treatments and more testing. The lack of clear plan nationally is making me more pessimistic than usual. Isolation is starting to get to me!

Your thoughts are reasonable. There is nothing promising we've seen yet. Of course we can TEMPORARILY flatten the curve if everyone sits at home.

But then what?

There are potential answers, but are they achievable in any reasonable amount of time? Don't know. And no one does.

Most likely, earth is done.

[GooooMarquette]

Definitely. I understand the plan of a few phases of physical distancing to limit the strain we put on the healthcare system. As is, I just don't see a realistic path for sports, entertainment, bars and restaurants to re-open until a vaccine is established.

Like you said, things could change with effective treatments and more testing. The lack of clear plan nationally is making me more pessimistic than usual. Isolation is starting to get to me!

I hear you, BM1090. I hear you.

FWIW, I think spectator sports will be done with closely tested and monitored athletes, and without live audiences until we get a vaccine. Restaurants, bars, stores and such? I heard Fauci on a radio show yesterday talking about taking a restaurant that usually seats 100, but opening it to 20 customers at a time. Same with stores and the like. Decreasing the risk of transmission, but not eliminating it.

Guess we'll see....

[reinko]

Your thoughts are reasonable. There is nothing promising we've seen yet. Of course we can TEMPORARILY flatten the curve if everyone sits at home.

But then what?

There are potential answers, but are they achievable in any reasonable amount of time? Don't know. And no one does.

Most likely, earth is done.

What changed from a few days ago?

https://twitter.com/JBBauer612/status/1246254792911073283?s=20

[GB Warrior]

The sad thing is that we know what will happen in just a few short months. Peoplw will start calling to cut Medicare, MedicAid and Social Security.  As night follows day.....