COVID-19 (f/k/a "the Coronavirus")

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Your using cnbc as a news source?? Really?? That's a perfect example of why so many people in this country are uninformed..the news sources they use.

Says the guy who only posts fox news links.  You make my head hurt.  And now CNBC is political.  Unreal.

So guru, you down with Fox's talking point that it is perfectly valid for older people to sacrifice themselves for the economy?

[pbiflyer]

This is a fact that I believe we have access to.  Someone posted a state by state testing aggregation site that I can't find.  Maybe someone else will remember the link.

From Florida Department of Health, the site they link to. Many states have something similar.  Link posted above has this listed as best available data for Florida.
https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/96dd742462124fa0b38ddedb9b25e429

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

The current data does support the theory, though. What we're seeing in India right now seems to be very much a precautionary move, not a response to a surge in cases. And South American is similar. I know Ecuador has seen an increase, but as we look at all the data globally, South America represents a disproportionately small percentage of cases. And yes, of course, testing plays some role in this, but everyone's testing is limited. Everyone is under-reporting. To what extent, we'll probably never know. Unless you've seen something different for these areas, I think they're actually good examples to support the theory that warmer, more humid weather can/will slow this thing down.

Even looking at the US, the northern states are more heavily impacted than southern states. Seattle has been hit much harder than LA. New York has been hit much harder than Atlanta. All 4 cities have a ton of international flights and would probably be the most likely cities for carriers of the virus to be arriving. That seems to line up with the weather-related research.

Support of seasonal but not overly reassuring. 

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/489582-fauci-says-us-needs-to-be-prepared-for-coronavirus-to-be-cyclical

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Support of seasonal but not overly reassuring. 

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/489582-fauci-says-us-needs-to-be-prepared-for-coronavirus-to-be-cyclical

OMG, you posted an article from thehill.com.

Dont you know about the hill?

[🏀]

OMG, you posted an article from thehill.com.

Dont you know about the hill?

PornHub is the only reliable news source.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

OMG, you posted an article from thehill.com.

Dont you know about the hill?

What's wrong with them.  They are a pretty open Platform that allows everyone to contribute regardless of political persuasion. I'm honestly interested because I've found it to just be a mouthpiece to what's been said or attributed to who said it.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

What's wrong with them.  They are a pretty open Platform that allows everyone to contribute regardless of political persuasion. I'm honestly interested because I've found it to just be a mouthpiece to what's been said or attributed to who said it.

Didnt think teal was needed, kin.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Didnt think teal was needed, kin.

My bad

[GooooMarquette]

PornHub is the only reliable news source.

And the Onion.

[rocket surgeon]

Some larger cities are releasing prisoners To prevent the spread of the virus while closing gun stores to law abiding citizens

That's kinda weird

[forgetful]

I think the scariest number in the US is this:

Recovered: 394
Dead: 1027

That means only 28% of resolved cases resulted in survival. Worldwide 16% of all resolved cases resulted in death.

[Jay Bee]

I think the scariest number in the US is this:

Recovered: 394
Dead: 1027

That means only 28% of resolved cases resulted in survival. Worldwide 16% of all resolved cases resulted in death.

Holy crap, get a handle on knowledge of data...

What bizarre claim.

Prayers for you.

[muguru]

Says the guy who only posts fox news links.  You make my head hurt.  And now CNBC is political.  Unreal.

So guru, you down with Fox's talking point that it is perfectly valid for older people to sacrifice themselves for the economy?

This isn't directed solely at you Tony because it's many many many people nationwide that have been hsouting "people are dying" from the rooftops. To hear some of them talk, it's like they expected NO ONE to die from this...like ZERO. That was absolutely impossible, and completely unrealistic. Is it sad?? Of course it is, but it's also a reality. People die, all of us. Reasons we die are various, but it WILL happen to everyone eventually. What really bothers me the most is people are lamenting the number of deaths like they are 100% preventable...sadly, they aren't. How come people aren't outraged and blaming leadership when the many many thousands of people a year die from the flu, or any other number of reasons?? Under those circumstances, it seems people just "accept" it that it happens. Tragic and sad, but that it does happen.

Now as far as older people sacrificing for the economy..I'm not necessarily saying they should...but again, the reality is, older people are going to die, right?? Let's say Grandma is 90, her health has been failing for awhile...now sadly she gets Covid-19 and passes away from it. Realistically, how much longer was she going to live, and what was her quality of life going to be?? Death is inevitable. But for some reason people are acting like it shouldn't be during this pandemic. I really don't get it. Meanwhile, thousands of people are dying everyday from reasons completely unrelated to this, and of course it's still sad either way, but if they die from Covid-19 now all of a sudden it's leaderships fault and someone "murdered" them. But if it's from the flu...it's just a tragic, sad thing but acceptance that it happens to everyone. I don't get it. Well I do, but I don't actually want to believe people are like that. But they are.

I mean...last i saw there has been less than 1,000 deaths in the US. Percentage wise, that is incredibly low..like minuscule. yet people are acting like the entire population is dying off from this. It's all about agenda's, that's all it really is.

Ask yourself this...have you ever known any parents or grandparents that at some point haven't said that they have wanted a better future for their kids or grand kids?? I can tell you this(and maybe it's just me) but if I'm in my late 70's or early 80's+ and I had to die from Covid-19 or any other reason to ensure that my kids and grand kids have a better future in every way(and yes, financial is a HUGE factor in lifestyle, good life etc), you're damn right I'm going to do it. At that point, I've lived most of my life, i'm closer to death than I am to just being born..it's not far away and I know I can't stop it...when it's my time, it's my time. of course I'd make that sacrifice.

[forgetful]

Holy crap, get a handle on knowledge of data...

What bizarre claim.

Prayers for you.

I fully understand data analysis, statistics, and the ilk. Those are the actual numbers right now. There are good reasons, why they are inflated to the "scary" side, and I am well aware of most of them (we can't possibly know all of them). Even taking all of that into consideration, it tells you how scary this can is, and how different this is from the "flu".

[MU82]

To hear some of them talk, it's like they expected NO ONE to die from this...like ZERO.

"And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done." -- Mr. X, Feb. 26, 2020.

[cheebs09]

This isn't directed solely at you Tony because it's many many many people nationwide that have been hsouting "people are dying" from the rooftops. To hear some of them talk, it's like they expected NO ONE to die from this...like ZERO. That was absolutely impossible, and completely unrealistic. Is it sad?? Of course it is, but it's also a reality. People die, all of us. Reasons we die are various, but it WILL happen to everyone eventually. What really bothers me the most is people are lamenting the number of deaths like they are 100% preventable...sadly, they aren't. How come people aren't outraged and blaming leadership when the many many thousands of people a year die from the flu, or any other number of reasons?? Under those circumstances, it seems people just "accept" it that it happens. Tragic and sad, but that it does happen.

Now as far as older people sacrificing for the economy..I'm not necessarily saying they should...but again, the reality is, older people are going to die, right?? Let's say Grandma is 90, her health has been failing for awhile...now sadly she gets Covid-19 and passes away from it. Realistically, how much longer was she going to live, and what was her quality of life going to be?? Death is inevitable. But for some reason people are acting like it shouldn't be during this pandemic. I really don't get it. Meanwhile, thousands of people are dying everyday from reasons completely unrelated to this, and of course it's still sad either way, but if they die from Covid-19 now all of a sudden it's leaderships fault and someone "murdered" them. But if it's from the flu...it's just a tragic, sad thing but acceptance that it happens to everyone. I don't get it. Well I do, but I don't actually want to believe people are like that. But they are.

I mean...last i saw there has been less than 1,000 deaths in the US. Percentage wise, that is incredibly low..like minuscule. yet people are acting like the entire population is dying off from this. It's all about agenda's, that's all it really is.

Ask yourself this...have you ever known any parents or grandparents that at some point haven't said that they have wanted a better future for their kids or grand kids?? I can tell you this(and maybe it's just me) but if I'm in my late 70's or early 80's+ and I had to die from Covid-19 or any other reason to ensure that my kids and grand kids have a better future in every way(and yes, financial is a HUGE factor in lifestyle, good life etc), you're damn right I'm going to do it. At that point, I've lived most of my life, i'm closer to death than I am to just being born..it's not far away and I know I can't stop it...when it's my time, it's my time. of course I'd make that sacrifice.

[shoothoops]

+1

I will let this tweet summarize my thoughts:

https://twitter.com/PamKeithFL/status/1242647571711119361?s=19

[shoothoops]

"Trump team failed to follow NSC's pandemic playbook." -Politico

"The 69 page document, finished in 2016, provided a step by step list of priorities which were then ignored by the administration."


https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/25/trump-coronavirus-national-security-council-149285

[GooooMarquette]

"Trump team failed to follow NSC's pandemic playbook." -Politico

"The 69 page document, finished in 2016, provided a step by step list of priorities which were then ignored by the administration."


https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/25/trump-coronavirus-national-security-council-149285

Color me shocked.

[skianth16]

"Trump team failed to follow NSC's pandemic playbook." -Politico

"The 69 page document, finished in 2016, provided a step by step list of priorities which were then ignored by the administration."


https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/25/trump-coronavirus-national-security-council-149285

Maybe they ignored the 2016 document because there was a more recent document? Did you read the whole article?

"An NSC official confirmed the existence of the playbook but dismissed its value. "We are aware of the document, although it's quite dated and has been superseded by strategic and operational biodefense policies published since," the official said."

Now, it's possible that the 2016 plan was better and the newer plan has led to the slow federal response. But the headline and the quote posted are pretty misleading.

[Jockey]

+1

I will let this tweet summarize my thoughts:

https://twitter.com/PamKeithFL/status/1242647571711119361?s=19

Guru is a pretty sick puppy.

[jesmu84]

This isn't directed solely at you Tony because it's many many many people nationwide that have been hsouting "people are dying" from the rooftops. To hear some of them talk, it's like they expected NO ONE to die from this...like ZERO. That was absolutely impossible, and completely unrealistic. Is it sad?? Of course it is, but it's also a reality. People die, all of us. Reasons we die are various, but it WILL happen to everyone eventually. What really bothers me the most is people are lamenting the number of deaths like they are 100% preventable...sadly, they aren't. How come people aren't outraged and blaming leadership when the many many thousands of people a year die from the flu, or any other number of reasons?? Under those circumstances, it seems people just "accept" it that it happens. Tragic and sad, but that it does happen.

Now as far as older people sacrificing for the economy..I'm not necessarily saying they should...but again, the reality is, older people are going to die, right?? Let's say Grandma is 90, her health has been failing for awhile...now sadly she gets Covid-19 and passes away from it. Realistically, how much longer was she going to live, and what was her quality of life going to be?? Death is inevitable. But for some reason people are acting like it shouldn't be during this pandemic. I really don't get it. Meanwhile, thousands of people are dying everyday from reasons completely unrelated to this, and of course it's still sad either way, but if they die from Covid-19 now all of a sudden it's leaderships fault and someone "murdered" them. But if it's from the flu...it's just a tragic, sad thing but acceptance that it happens to everyone. I don't get it. Well I do, but I don't actually want to believe people are like that. But they are.

I mean...last i saw there has been less than 1,000 deaths in the US. Percentage wise, that is incredibly low..like minuscule. yet people are acting like the entire population is dying off from this. It's all about agenda's, that's all it really is.

Ask yourself this...have you ever known any parents or grandparents that at some point haven't said that they have wanted a better future for their kids or grand kids?? I can tell you this(and maybe it's just me) but if I'm in my late 70's or early 80's+ and I had to die from Covid-19 or any other reason to ensure that my kids and grand kids have a better future in every way(and yes, financial is a HUGE factor in lifestyle, good life etc), you're damn right I'm going to do it. At that point, I've lived most of my life, i'm closer to death than I am to just being born..it's not far away and I know I can't stop it...when it's my time, it's my time. of course I'd make that sacrifice.

Ah.

So you're one of those who won't think this is a big deal until millions are dead.

But at the same time the steps being taken are to prevent exactly those types of numbers. So that when millions don't die, you'll think it was all an overreaction

[🏀]

This isn't directed solely at you Tony because it's many many many people nationwide that have been hsouting "people are dying" from the rooftops. To hear some of them talk, it's like they expected NO ONE to die from this...like ZERO. That was absolutely impossible, and completely unrealistic. Is it sad?? Of course it is, but it's also a reality. People die, all of us. Reasons we die are various, but it WILL happen to everyone eventually. What really bothers me the most is people are lamenting the number of deaths like they are 100% preventable...sadly, they aren't. How come people aren't outraged and blaming leadership when the many many thousands of people a year die from the flu, or any other number of reasons?? Under those circumstances, it seems people just "accept" it that it happens. Tragic and sad, but that it does happen.

Now as far as older people sacrificing for the economy..I'm not necessarily saying they should...but again, the reality is, older people are going to die, right?? Let's say Grandma is 90, her health has been failing for awhile...now sadly she gets Covid-19 and passes away from it. Realistically, how much longer was she going to live, and what was her quality of life going to be?? Death is inevitable. But for some reason people are acting like it shouldn't be during this pandemic. I really don't get it. Meanwhile, thousands of people are dying everyday from reasons completely unrelated to this, and of course it's still sad either way, but if they die from Covid-19 now all of a sudden it's leaderships fault and someone "murdered" them. But if it's from the flu...it's just a tragic, sad thing but acceptance that it happens to everyone. I don't get it. Well I do, but I don't actually want to believe people are like that. But they are.

I mean...last i saw there has been less than 1,000 deaths in the US. Percentage wise, that is incredibly low..like minuscule. yet people are acting like the entire population is dying off from this. It's all about agenda's, that's all it really is.

Ask yourself this...have you ever known any parents or grandparents that at some point haven't said that they have wanted a better future for their kids or grand kids?? I can tell you this(and maybe it's just me) but if I'm in my late 70's or early 80's+ and I had to die from Covid-19 or any other reason to ensure that my kids and grand kids have a better future in every way(and yes, financial is a HUGE factor in lifestyle, good life etc), you're damn right I'm going to do it. At that point, I've lived most of my life, i'm closer to death than I am to just being born..it's not far away and I know I can't stop it...when it's my time, it's my time. of course I'd make that sacrifice.

Please continue to go about your normal day then, this virus is an agenda, you have nothing to fear.

Lick all the doorknobs.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Interesting article about China/Wuhan today.  I honestly don't know how you can not spread if asymptomatic cases aren't counted. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/china-wuhan-coronavirus-zero-cases/2020/03/25/19bdbbc2-6d15-11ea-a156-0048b62cdb51_story.html

[muguru]

Ah.

So you're one of those who won't think this is a big deal until millions are dead.

But at the same time the steps being taken are to prevent exactly those types of numbers. So that when millions don't die, you'll think it was all an overreaction

Milions?? In the US?? Highly doubtful when we are only at 1000ish right now. I mean, honestly, do you think you're going to live forever?? Did you think no one was going to die from this?? Do you think people aren't going to die from cancer, or the flu, or suicide, or natural causes?? The fact that people all of a sudden seem to think that baffles me.